Just be aware that we're not hiding anymore. People see this and it reflects badly on you as a lieutenant and you as a sergeant when your officers treat public citizens the way they did. >> Are we ever going to get to the point in American history where cops dispense with the stupid language of we found that you're suspicious because you were exercising your constitutionally protected right in that public building and you were recording. So because we thought you were suspicious, we have the right to make you insecure in your person by requesting your ID. >> Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> Can I have your name? >> No, you can't. No, you can't. Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> You see my name right there. >> Would you say that to the judge? >> Are you here to pick a fight, sir? >> I'm not here to pick a fight. I asked for your name and badge number. That's all I need. >> You understand it's highly suspicious that you're walking into a police >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Okay. It's not every day that somebody walks into our lobby with and starts filming going to the lobby. >> I will have a supervisor right out here. I'm not going to walk back in there after you got all scared of me walking in with a camera. So I'll wait right here. >> I got news for you, copper. Your suspicion doesn't trump our rights. As always, the goal of these videos is to acquire knowledge because knowledge is power, but law enforcement agents want you to stay steeped in ignorance so they can exercise their power over you. We're going to take a look at this and of course we're going to make some comments along the way. >> You got a call in here. >> Okay. >> My name's Brian Hawkins. I'm with the police department. >> Okay. >> Apparently you walked into our our records area filming everything. Can I Can I ask what you're filming? What you're filming for? >> It's a public lobby, correct? Anyone can walk in there? >> Yeah. >> Okay, I walked in and took pictures. Perfectly legal. Name and badge number, please. >> You under >> Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> Can I have your name? >> No, you can't. No, you can't. Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> There you go. Can I have your name with the implied threat of force and violence if you disobey along with the tyrant twitch? Let's watch it again. >> Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> Can I have your name? >> No, you can't. >> No, you can't. Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> You see my name right there. >> Would you say that to the judge? If you go into court, you say that to the judge? You say my name is here? >> Are you here to pick a fight, sir? >> I'm not here to pick a fight. I asked for your name and badge number. That's all I need. >> Are you here to pick a fight, say the two guys who approached a man who was minding his own business on a public sidewalk exercising his right to record in public. >> Sir, it's highly suspicious that you're walking into a police >> Yeah, absolutely. It's not every day that somebody walks into our lobby with and starts filming. So, we just asked him what he was doing. >> It's also not every day that somebody walks in to deposit medicine. Did you stop that guy that did that? >> That's a actually it's a medicine drop-off spot. So, actually it's common. >> So, a public lobby is common for people to walk in. Just cuz I have a camera doesn't change anything. Now, I'm going to stop talking until you get a supervisor here since you couldn't give me your name and badge number and neither of you. >> I can. I just didn't feel like it. >> Okay, my badge number is 568. 568 and I have I walked up and introduced myself as Brian Hawkins. >> I didn't want to cuz I didn't feel like it. In other words, I wanted to whatever control I thought I had, I wanted to make sure that that was nice and safe and secure. >> So, >> And then you got hostile. So, now I'm just going to remain quiet until I get a supervisor. >> Nobody's hostile. If you would like to speak to a supervisor, you can request to speak with one. >> I would request to speak with a supervisor. I will have a supervisor right out here. I'm not going to walk back in there after you got all scared of me walking in with a camera. So, I'll wait right here. Give me a supervisor. >> By the way, the hostility is implied. You got two men, now three men on the scene who have approached a man with a camera and these guys have guns. >> Then what's suspicious about it, sir? Explain that to me. >> In my 12 years here, you're the only individual that has walked in the lobby of the police department and filmed. >> Okay. In your 12 years here, have you I'm probably the only individual with a red or sorry, an orange vest you've seen, right? >> No, not really not. >> Okay. Well, either way, >> There's people doing traffic control wear reflective vests all the time. >> Okay. Uh is that suspicious? >> No, cuz typically they're working at intersections. >> typically somebody wanting to go out and take some pictures in public, is that also suspicious? >> It all depends on what they're filming. >> Okay, I'm filming everything I can see in public. >> And I saw you filming patrol cars going in and out of the station. That also is suspicious. >> It all depends on what you're filming unless you're with Flock Safety or if you're a camera, one of the multiple cameras on our local banks or the multiple cameras with facial recognitions in all Walmart stores, but you're suspicious. None of these other cameras and the Google car driving by with the 360 view of everybody and everything, satellite, we got body cams, we got dash cams, but somehow you, sir, are suspicious and therefore we need to make contact with you, find out who you are, you know, for public safety and all that. >> Also in public. If you don't want us to see it, build a wall. >> Have I told you at any time that you can't do what you're doing? >> Then why is it suspicious? >> Because it's not it's not normal. >> So what? Wearing a coat in the middle of freaking summer in Arizona is not normal either. It's also not suspicious. Give me a break. >> Actually, that would be suspicious. >> Well, okay, well then maybe you guys need to tone down your suspicion level. Everything that happens is not suspicious. And please, get a supervisor. I'm not saying another word. Thank you. >> You're not being detained in any way. >> Good. By the way, if you're going to tell people that you're not going to say anything until a supervisor gets out there, then it's probably a good idea to not say anything until a supervisor gets out there. >> Okay. >> Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> No. >> No? Isn't that your policy? >> Have a good day. >> It's not your policy to give your name and badge number? >> I don't need to. >> You don't need to? >> No. >> You don't need to follow your policy? >> Policy for what? I'm just talking to Channel 12. >> You don't have to address the public citizens when they ask for your name and badge number? You don't have to say anything? >> You're just trying to argue with me. >> I'm not trying to argue. I asked for your name and badge number. You said no. I asked if that is your that's your policy. Is it your policy or not? >> Have a good day. >> You have a good day. >> I will. >> Be nicer to citizens when they ask for your information, sir. Thank >> What a bunch of petulant, immature babies. >> Thank you. >> Hi. >> Can I help you? >> Yeah, can you give me the watch commander? >> Uh watch commander? Do you need a sergeant? >> Is that the person that's higher up in charge? >> Um I believe so. >> Okay, I'll take him. That's fine. I'll sit here and wait. Thank you. How you doing? >> Yes, good. I'm Lieutenant Pack. I'm sorry. >> Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Uh couple quick questions. Uh first of all Um is it in your policy for your officers to identify when a public citizen asks for their name and badge number? >> Yes. >> Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> No. >> Is it in your policy for your officers to identify when a public citizen asks for their name and badge number? >> Yes. >> Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> No. >> No? And that's your policy? >> Good day. >> It's not your policy to give your name and badge number? >> I don't need to. >> Yes. >> You don't need to? >> No. >> You don't need to follow your policy? >> Policy for what? >> Is it in your policy for your officers to identify when a public citizen asks for their name and badge number? See, is it your policy or not? >> Yes. >> Secondly >> So I wanted >> Do you have any training on public photography? It's Chandler PD. >> Yeah. On public photography? >> Yes. >> I don't know if it's formalized training, but they instructed us on >> Actually you got some formalized training. >> It's part of a different program. >> Okay. >> spoke about it. >> So your officers are aware that public photography is not suspicious behavior. >> No, it's It's not that it's not suspicious behavior, but it it's uh something that we can't stop people from doing. >> It's something we can't stop people from doing. Now, we want to stop people from doing it all the time, but we're kind of constrained. You know, it's not so much the Constitution that we care about. It's the public sentiment. You know, it becomes a PR nightmare if we start messing with people who are exercising their constitutionally protected rights. Go figure. >> The important bit here is all three of them in this front part also were hesitant in giving me their information. The one said, "It's right here." Well, you don't say that to a judge if you go to court. You don't say it's right here. You tell the judge your name and your badge number. >> Okay. >> I'm a judge. That's just the way it works. As far as the police are concerned, the citizens are the judge. Same with this guy out here. He's taking pictures of me, which I don't care. He's in public. But he's not giving me the information that I request. If this is the information of the way you want to portray Chandler PD, that's up to you. But just be aware that we're not hiding anymore. People see this, and it reflects badly on you as the as a lieutenant and you as a sergeant when your officers treat public citizens the way they did. I'm just standing outside taking pictures, and he comes up to me with attitude. I don't appreciate it, and that's all I wanted to say. I don't want to make it known right up front. >> Did you want to file a complaint? >> I don't have his name. I can't file a complaint with no name. >> Yeah, you can. >> Well, >> Did you want to file a complaint? >> No, but I'll be back one of these days, and maybe you guys will will have gotten the memo by then. But when I come back, I expect better treatment. >> filming people coming in and out of the police department? They're probably going to come out and talk to you and ask you what you're doing. >> And if I say that I'm just if I'm just taking pictures in public, is there's a problem? >> No, it's not illegal for us to come and talk to you. >> I never said it was. What I'm asking is why why the hostility when people are just taking pictures in public? There was a young man that walked in and put medicine in the bin. And I addressed that with the officer outside. Why didn't he get stopped? He walked into the public lobby and dumped some medicine in there. You don't know it was medicine. Nobody checked. He could have put anything in there. I have an open camera and an orange vest. I'm not hiding anything. Why am I suspicious and the guy putting whatever in that medicine bin isn't. I could walk in with a bag that this young lady didn't inspect, put it in there, and walk out, and you have no idea what was in that bag, and that's perfectly fine. >> That's what that bin is for. It's for the medicine. People put medicine in there all day long. >> Why is that not suspicious? Why did no one check it? Why did no one question what he was putting in there? >> Because we don't have people that check that every day. >> But you have people that check people walking around taking pictures in public? >> Would you like to make a complaint today? >> No, I don't. >> Okay. >> If I come back here next time, >> Okay. You know, walk away. That's fine. >> And that's why these guys are unprofessional. It's because their bosses are unprofessional, and a stream can rise no higher than its source. Besides, professional tyranny is still tyranny, no matter how you slice it. 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