okay guys we are back in zumkot for
something of a unique sentencing hearing
with judge michael olsen in michigan in
which the sovereign citizen has already
pled guilty and accepted a plea deal yet
still goes on to vomit his word salad
and waste the court's time
oh and then ghost the judge during the
reading of the sentence
let's get into the video
now so we are on the record in the
matter of the people of state of
michigan
uh versus robert joseph matson file
number 21-20513-fh
today's date set for sentencing this
matter
we are proceeding today uh partially by
video conference uh
and partially in person
uh mr daley is here in person mr daley
would you like to place your appearance
on the record james daley appearing on
behalf of mr mansion
and we also have uh mr stevenson with us
from
uh mission department corrections
and sir you are robert joseph matson
correct
hello
hey uh
i'm a living flesh blood
man
attorney for uh
public officer or statutory citizen
judge
i'm a living flesh blood man
all right you are the living flesh and
blood man who's known as robert matson
correct
uh tree for uh
robert joseph matson would you
be all cap's name
there was uh something um that i tried
to talk to my attorney about
that uh
before you let me out of the hospital i
was in in the hospital or the jail i was
uh
i was experiencing a lot of pain trouble
the jail was not treating me properly
uh after i got out of the
jail
i went um to the hospital and
there they hurried and rushed me to
toledo hospital where um i almost died
had i not been released in jail when i
did i would be dead in that county jail
that's all very sad and all but what do
you expect the judge to do about this
you're here to be sentenced
um
all right we're here for your sentencing
hearing today um i'm not really able to
address issues of medical treatment well
at the jail well i was just saying that
there's something
mr manson don't interrupt me please
uh
the the medical treatment that people
receive at the jail is not within my
purview and i'm not going to address
that today so well i just said i'm going
to correct my
do not interrupt me please
have you had an opportunity to read and
review your pre-sentence report
i did with the
secretary
for
mr daly
have you had an opportunity to discuss
your pre-sentence report with mr david
i haven't had an opportunity to discuss
it with him um i did with the secretary
secretary my secretary got to hold it
just let me allow him to finish his
answer what were you saying mr man i did
with the secretary she uh i talked to
her over the phone and told her
everything looked good and um i believe
mr david was supposed to get back ahold
of me i don't know if he got too busy or
something else happened all right thank
you mr madsen mr daley you wanted to say
something on that issue yes my secretary
contacted
regards to the psi
he said everything was right he had no
complaints about anything i still tried
to contact the bank to get an answer
yeah that sounds more like it and i
would usually be surprised by us offset
having an attorney but seeing how
disrespectful he is and with him
continually interrupting the hearing
i'm now not that surprised
all right so what we'll do is have mr
dale if you'd be willing to step out
into the hallway we have an ipad out
there
um that we can log into the zoom session
but i don't think he needs that he's
ready to be sent yeah
you have any other questions mr madsen
uh yeah judge
i think the court is making a big
mistake here i've not um i appreciate
that mr man
discussing
okay i've discussed all of these issues
with you before okay
i've muted mr matson's device because he
won't stop interrupting me mr matson
what i'm trying to tell you is that we
have discussed these issues before
you've raised those issues i've ruled
against those issues and ultimately you
pled guilty of your own choice uh to the
uh controlled substance possession of uh
narcotic
less than 25 grams and so i'm going to
sentence you on that charge today
if you'd like i will
have mr daly step into the halt and you
can have a breakout session with him so
you can speak with him about your
um pre-sentence investigation report if
you have questions or things that you
want to talk with him about
um regarding that report so i'm going to
unmute your device now and i want you to
tell me whether you want a breakout
session with mr daley or not
hello
yes we can hear you now you want a
breakout session with mr daley
um
well i've tried to talk to mr daley
before
i mean about this and answer my question
do you deserve a breakout session with
mr daley or not
your honor i just i you're going to do
what you're going to do i mean i try to
talk to the courts and reason with the
courts i mean
you're going to sentence me today then i
just filed for an appeal i'm an
objection to anything that happens today
i was under duress when i took the plea
due to my life was at stake
mr manson please answer my question do
you want a breakout session with mr
daley or not
mr daley hasn't been much of help for me
your honor so that's not an answer to my
question mr matson please answer the
question you want a breakout session
with him or not
judge old saver has one of the coolest
heads of any judge i've seen but even he
is starting to lose his call with this
guy and i'm not surprised he cannot
answer the simple question and then
lambaste his attorney for not going
along with his bs
unbelievable
sorry jana i i just ain't been doing any
any help no justice at all
other than the fact that he got you a
plea deal which in turn got you released
from jail isn't that the opposite of
help and justice
i mean i've already said what i had to
say the sports is going to settle each
day then that's what they're going to do
i
don't agree with anything that's going
on today i'm sorry um
i just my life was at stake when i had
talked to the courts all right mr manson
mr manson please stop stop so you refuse
to answer my question about whether you
want a breakout session with mr daley or
not well i didn't i didn't i didn't want
to
stop pretty sure
the record i place mr matson on mute
again because he's continually
interrupting mr madsen what i'm trying
to explain to you is that you have the
right to discuss your pre-sentence
report with your attorney before the
sentencing i've asked you four or five
maybe six times now whether you want to
have the opportunity for that breakout
session and you won't give me a simple
yes or no answer so what i'm going to do
right now is ask you to ask mr daly to
step into the hallway
we'll set up that ipad i'm gonna put you
in a breakout session with mr daily uh
in order to
uh make sure that i comply with the
uh
with your rights to have that breakout
session um so at this point i'm
gonna set that up whether you want it or
not
so that we have complied with that
requirement
a few minutes later
judge i just had a repeat of him from
conversation you ever had i'm prepared
for sentencing
all right mr madsen you've now uh had an
opportunity to discuss
the pre-sentence report with mr bailey
is that correct
no he didn't want to hear me on he just
told me that he was here to give me
sentence i tried to talk to you about
things i tried to talk to him before we
even went to court about things that was
going on uh
with
um
my life and me about dying and um as far
as being incarcerated in jail which he
didn't ever try to help me out because
if he would have he would have did an
investigation and knowing that i was in
court and i was wrongfully put in in
jail i told him i'm i'm not a statutory
assistant i'm a constitutional uh
citizen i mean he don't care to do
anything to help me all he cares about
is just helping you guys out and get you
sucked into the system
and it's wrong
translation my attorney refuses to go
along with my pseudo-legal ramblings
all right for the record i did provide
mr matson with an opportunity to
with mr daly in a breakout session
uh mr manson
yes sir
satisfied with mr daley and the advice
that he's given
i'm not satisfied with the way she's
giving off sir
do you wish to explain or challenge the
accuracy or the relevancy of any of the
information that's in your pre-sentence
report
um
the the stuff that's in the preset
report
is uh
directed to a statutory
um
citizen i'm not a statutory assistant
i'm a constitutional citizen you cannot
be a constitutional person
and a statutory person at the same time
your honor it has to be constitutional
rights which the courts designed to
protect rights
so i was asking judge are you working as
a banker or judge today
um
uh i mean there's no nothing
to show that there's even a um
is it i mean
is there anything to show that there's
even a contract between us i mean
yeah what about that plea deal you've
just signed which you should be thanking
your attorney for by the way
scissor
this isn't a contract issue
there must be an injured party is there
a new party
in the constitutional rights uh
share vistas calling
4481
f-945 in order for it to be
a crime that should there ought to be a
major party there's no inter-party
there's no crime
all right i mean you're arguing the
basis of your conviction again you pled
guilty
um to this charge what i meant
but
mr hanson
we're asking you is whether uh you'd
wish to explain or challenge the
accuracy or the relevancy of any of the
information that is in your pre-sentence
report so is any of that information
inaccurate
inaccurate as far as the person that um
reports they're trying a sentence all
caps names it's not me i'm a living
flesh and blood man you're after a
fictional person
yeah the only thing fictional here are
your arguments buddy we however do wish
you a fictional then we wouldn't have to
sit here and listen to this clown act
and we are all living flesh and blood
beings but that doesn't mean you're not
subject to the same laws as the rest of
us right so with respect to that
argument uh what the court will say is
that
i will
leave the information that is in the
pre-sentence report in the pre-sentence
report and
deny what seems to be some kind of a
request to
modify the pre-sentence report
based on
an argument that
doesn't state any cognizable legal
theory
about a difference between
mr matson as a human being and mr matson
as
something else
uh so three cents report will stand
well
you never even explained to me
i tried from the game
i'm gonna mute mr matson again because
he
continues to interrupt me with uh a line
of argument that
i don't even know what to say about it
it just is
it's not a legal argument at all
it is
some kind of fanciful belief that
there's a difference between mr madsen
the human being and mr madsen as some
other entity which
is not recognized by the law and i'm not
going to entertain it any further
[Applause]
uh mr daley does the pre-sense report
disclose any prior convictions in which
there exist any known constitutional
defects no you're not
uh the probation officers calculated the
minimum sentencing guidelines in this
case to be from zero to nine months do
you agree with that computation
guidelines
uh before the court passes sentence mr
daley is there anything you'd like to
say on behalf of mr manson
i've had the same uh
with mr madison the courts have he's
never wanted to talk about this case
he's always wanted to talk about what he
perceived our constitutional issues
he pled guilty he knew what he was doing
i do know that
i'm prepared to
to complete the sentencing now
yeah mr daley the attorney just wants to
get this done now but i can see why
there is only so many times you can
listen to the same guy repeat these same
titles pseudolegal nonsense
it must be so frustrating when you've
trained to become a lawyer only for some
youtube idiot to come along and attempt
to educate you
all right uh mr matson in a moment i'm
going to unmute your microphone and i'm
going to give you an opportunity
uh for allocution that's an opportunity
to say anything that you'd like to say
on your own behalf before the court
passes sentenced
yes sir
can you hear me you'd like to say on
your own behalf
you said that i could say anything that
i wish before sensing
you can
i'm sorry sir
you can
okay
so this is where you will have the
opportunity to express regret for your
actions and maybe make an appeal to the
judge in the hope of receiving a lighter
sentence but if you're a sovereign
citizen then this is your time to shine
so get ready for one of the biggest
servings of pseudo-legal words salad you
have ever heard
yeah yes sir
your honor
i mean
before i took that plea i told i told mr
daly that
i wanted to sit there i wanted him to um
sit there get the cameras for the um
courts to prove that i was at the court
date the day that um i was put in jail
and said that
that i wasn't in the court for um a
contempt to court he said and i told me
i wanted to
fight my case but i hated to be out
because i had medical issues mr daley
said that's fine and all um but if you
stay here and you fight this case
they'll keep you in here for a year
fight your case you will not be
let out of um jail
uh
you're not i couldn't do that
i was in major pain i would have died in
that jail
my proof is within the doctor's records
in the hospital i have serious condition
which would have left me dead within a
week from
the time that i took the plea
the following day after i got up my
wife was um killed in a car accident
because everything's been going downhill
for me ever since and now this with the
courts i don't feel that i've had a fair
chance with the porch ever since i even
started with the court because reports
has not proven jurisdiction to me i've
not written any uh papers out agreeing
in the contract saying that the courts
can have any kind of jurisdiction over
me
i have not relinquished any sovereign
communities that i have
i just don't feel like there's uh i've
been anything fair
which is not going to be within your uh
court system i mean i've tried to say
i'm not a statutory
person
who is uh within your jurisdiction
uh faith thing i'd be considered
constitutional
but i'm not even under constitutional
laws but i will use them if i feel
necessary
as a constitutional
living flesh and blood man
there is no end to party going into the
party would be the state's laws
which
the state cannot be
the prosecutor the injured party and the
judge
as nothing's right the
court case either had been dismissed or
moved to higher court
and i wasn't going to sit there and be
put left in in jail to fight my case for
a year i would have been dead i've been
stupid enough to sit here and just agree
with um a plea that i didn't even agree
with in the first place just to save my
life i don't think that's fair at all
it's not right
there's nothing but wrong here
it's injustice not justice
i mean the requirement for equal
protection i mean
okay
there's a
form zero uh
five
uh point
zero three three three
but terms are binding you and me
together
judge
there's nothing even sitting there
stating that
i mean
you can't you can't be a constitutional
person and a statutory person at the
same time either you're one or the other
and as constitutional rights is known in
form
number 10 uh point zero zero two
in any given context
you have
um
your statutory approvals uh form would
be
0.0503 to claim your uh privilege of
statutory privileges you swear to
constitutional rights which i'm not
doing any of that
the definition of a public
jurist
is therefore deception which is in form
05.014
i've not had time
to get my own paperwork together due to
the hospital
when i logged into the system because my
um wi-fi wasn't working properly on my
computer
i couldn't draw my own paperwork
i've been in nothing but severe pain
i've been able to move around and do
much of anything for myself
i mean i just don't feel that anything
here as we don't see is right and it's
not as it's not within the
constitutional or the bill of rights
if common law would uh
permit
and hey if i ask you if you're working
under the osa office and or as a banker
you don't answer that you don't tell me
which jurisdiction you're under
i mean these are all important things i
mean for me to even provide intelligent
argument for myself i have to know these
things
because guaranteed in the constitution
i didn't even ask for this attorney you
assumed that i didn't know the laws and
that i needed an attorney the attorney
has done nothing for me but they tried
to treat me to the system
uh
the only system that i know is god in
god's laws judge
if i sit there and swear an oath because
i'm not i'm not i've never took an oath
to any governmental laws i'm not a
public officer
the only person that the only one i've
ever taken an oath to is god almighty
himself
there's only
one law giver one creator
one judge that's god oh my god that's
who i recognize for me to sit there and
agree to anything
more than that
would be me
sitting there violating my the laws of
my god
okay so with that meaningless word salad
over and done with the judge moves
straight to sentencing
or at least he tries to
all right in determining the appropriate
sentence in this case the court has
considered the seriousness of your
offense your history the principal
proportionality the statutory penalty
the cost of confinement the report and
recommendation probation department as
well as what's been said on record here
this morning
the criterion reasons for the sentence
or the nature and gravity of the offense
the discipline appropriate to its
commission returns against repetition by
you and by others communication for the
law and protection of society
as indicated with respect to these uh
sovereign citizen or whatever the other
arguments uh you're making are we've
dealt with the jurisdiction issue in the
past i've ruled on that at least
on at least one occasion
uh probably multiple occasions and that
ruling's not going to change
um you will have appellate rights if you
want to pursue those uh you're welcome
to
do that but uh you have pled guilty in
this case
okay so did you notice that that was the
moment when the defendant drops out of
the zone call or goes to the judge
judge olserver doesn't notice for a
while and continues on but his face is a
picture when he does finally realize
this is when the interesting excuse as
to why he goes to the judge emerges
um you indicated during your guilty plea
that uh
you were not under any
threats or promises or anything like
that
and you indicated that it was your own
choice to plead guilty so of course
going to
proceed with
sentencing in this matter
the recommendation from
your probation officer is
that you serve
one year of probation with credit for
29 days that you've served on this case
and that is
i think under normal circumstances that
would be an adequate recommendation with
he's gone
so now his attorney calls a defendant
and gets through to a family member who
doesn't know anything about why the call
was dropped so his probation officer
tries to contact him and well here comes
the interesting excuse given for why the
call was dropped
oh robert matt's in there please
okay who am i speaking with
okay
all right thank you
this is mike stevenson probation
okay he had he had sentencing this
morning he just left the uh
judge i just spoke with a female at the
number that he gave me
and she claims that he is at a
heart
doctor appointment at this time that's
what she claims
so he does appear to be in what looks
like a hospital waiting room
so that means he accepted this
appointment not only on the same day of
his trial but at the same time
i mean the trial would have been over in
minutes had he not started with the soft
cbs but still having an appointment at
the same time on the same day
as his trial does sound like what a soft
sit would do
so i'm not that surprised by it
but he does eventually log back into
zoom to continue with the hearing but it
doesn't start off well
but we have everyone
back with us now mr manson uh
we are in a court proceeding right now
and so i'm going to ask you not to
not to eat anything and to move
[Applause]
all right i'm gonna ask you to remove
your hood also mr matson
thank you
uh so we had uh been through the
sentencing uh procedure i had uh given
mr
madsen
an opportunity at allocution
and was starting to announce
uh the sentence and so i will continue
with uh with where we left off
uh in determining the
uh appropriate sentence in this case
court has considered the seriousness of
the offense your history the principle
of proportionality the
the cost of confinement report and
recommendation probation department as
well as what's been said
on the record here this morning the
criterion reasons for the sentence are
the nature and gravity of the offense
the discipline appropriate to its
commission it turns against repetition
by you and by others
uh vindication for the law
and the protection of society
uh mr manson uh pled guilty to one count
of uh controlled substance attempted
possession of
cocaine heroin or another narcotic of
less than 25 grams
pursuant to a plea agreement which
dismissed
one count of
possession of cocaine heroin another
narcotic
dismissed one count of driving the
license suspended and one count of
alcohol open container
sounds like he had one hell of a party
that day
or maybe it's just an everyday
occurrence for him who knows and he just
happened to get caught that day either
way he's a lucky man to have a decent
attorney to get in that plea deal but
he's too wrapped up in his ridiculous
opposite beliefs to realize it or
appreciate it which is sad
i believe it am i correct mr daley there
was a uh was there a killer agreement in
this case to no upfront jail
hey but
so i hadn't believed there was a killer
bruin
in this agreement china
i'm sorry mr david was that a yes or no
no
okay
uh so the agreement was to uh uh one
count of attempted possession of a
controlled substance uh dismissal the
remaining charges and that was
apparently incorrect there was no
sentencing agreement in this case
uh this is mr madsen's first felony
conviction he does have four prior
misdemeanors uh those are
uh
all from 2015 or earlier he has two uh
2015 cases in 2002 and 2001.
and so the recommendation in this case
from the probation officers for uh a
period of one-year probation
and
i think that uh well it also i should
say includes
restrictions on alcoholic beverages and
substance
use
and i think that those
provisions of terms of probation are
appropriate given
mr matson's
compass needs assessment scores he did
rate as highly probable in uh the
categories of substance abuse family
criminality residential instability and
social
environment uh he does have a substance
abuse history of cocaine fentanyl
painkillers since 2005.
i think that it is appropriate to
try to get mr madsen some help for his
substance abuse problems
the concern i have in this case is that
is whether or not mr manson is going to
be willing to comply with terms of his
probation he has
uh in numerous court hearings in this
case uh made a number of uh
stupid nonsensical moronic hilarious
arguments that have absolutely no merit
in law whatsoever
uh the judge however is about to be a
bit more reserved in his assessment of
this sovereign citizen's arguments than
how i've just described it but this is
probably what the judge is really
thinking
what he believes are constitutional and
jurisdictional arguments
that
have absolutely no
legal merit whatsoever
and he continued to challenge report
addiction here this morning
i understand that that
may be an honest belief that mr madsen
has
uh
and i don't know where it comes from but
i will say mr manson would be
far better off taking
legal advice from mr daly than from
wherever it is that you're getting it to
make you believe these arguments because
as i've ruled repeatedly there's just
there's just no merit to them they're
not
rational or coherent arguments
under the
law that that raises with me
is that
mr madsen
if he does not believe
this court has jurisdiction
why then would he
follow the terms of his probation
and so if that's the question then the
question i have to ask myself is why why
would i put him on probation if there
doesn't seem to be any indication
that
he would follow the terms of the
probation
the other side of that coin is that i
think a lot of this stems from mr
matson's substance abuse issues and the
better way to get him
help for his substance abuse issues is
to
uh put him on probation and get him into
some kind of services to help him deal
with that
yeah it's bad enough having substance
abuse issues but adding to the mix your
sovereign beliefs and this changes
everything it can make life way more
complicated than it needs to be so
sending him to jail might not help
treatment is what he needs if he can
stick to the judge's order that is
so ultimately um
mr madsen i'm going to give you a chance
at probation
and
i hope that you are willing to comply
with uh the requirements that are
outlined in terms of your probation
which i'll read to you
word for word in a moment so that you're
aware of them
if you
choose
not to comply for the reasons you've
stated or any other reasons
um
you can rest assured you're going to
find yourself
in violation of the terms of your
probation
and
then i am going to
be imposing
other penalties
meaning
meaning for you jail time uh and i'm i'm
i'll just tell you now it'll be
a short leash because if we continue
down this road uh i
you know i'm already suspect of your
ability to employ
any violations are just going to confirm
that for me and
you're going to find that i'm going to
lose my willingness to give you a chance
so it will be the sentence of the court
that you serve a period of probation for
one year
that you serve 29 days in the lenovo
county jail with credit for 29 days
served
you must not use or possess alcoholic
beverages or other intoxicants you must
not enter bars or other places where the
primary purpose is to serve alcoholic
beverages for drinking on site unless
the field agent has first given you
written permission for your employment
at a specific location
you must comply with the requirements of
drug and alcohol testing as directed by
the field agent
you must not attempt to submit any
fraudulent or adulterated samples for
testing you must not hinder obstruct
tamper or otherwise interfere with the
testing procedures and you must present
proper identification at the time of
testing
you must pay the
cost of your substance abuse testing you
must not be in possession that you must
not use or possess any controlled
substances or drug paraphernalia unless
prescribed to you by a licensed
physician you must not be with anyone
that you know to possess those items
you must complete an outpatient or
residential substance abuse treatment
when you are referred by the field agent
you must complete a substance abuse
assessment when you are referred by the
field agent
you must pay a 30
uh per month supervision fee
so long as there's no electronic
monitoring if electronic monitoring
becomes necessary that fee increases to
sixty dollars per month
uh you must also pay court costs of 750
an attorney fee of 450
a crime victims rights fee of 130 and 68
state costs
you do mr manson have the ability to
request an appeal of your sentence we're
going to send to you three copies of a
notice of right to appellate review and
request for appointment of attorney form
if you ask to sign one copy of that form
and mail it back to the court that
indicates to that you receive your
copies of the form if you want to appeal
your sentence you need to fill out the
other copies of the forms and mail those
to the address listed in those forms
within 42 days
you understand that mr matson
yes you do
so he understood all that apparently but
just as the case is about to wrap up he
decides to out of nowhere dredge up
points and arguments the judge has
previously ruled on
hey judge i just had a couple questions
before me
from you
concerning what you just said
all right what what's your question
um
well
if there's a crime victim's fee i'd i'd
like to know where the um the victim is
and also
um your honor you said something about
the jurisdiction if there's
no problem with the jurisdiction i mean
how come you couldn't tell me exactly
which jurisdiction you're operating
under so i would have to object that
what you said i mean i it don't make no
sense to me yeah
i told you that before mr matson i'll
tell you again i'm operating under uh
the jurisdiction of the michigan
constitution that sets forth uh the
uh
the fact that the state has various
circuit courts i'm the judge of one of
those circuit courts
uh that one beat where you were pledged
to have committed this crime and where
you pled guilty to this crime your
argument's
that is assessed in every uh case where
there is a guilty plea or verdict that
is done pursuant to statute that was
enacted by the michigan legislature
and uh it is required to be imposed here
so that is why i did it
did any of that go in do you think well
not according to the look on that face
that is the face of confusion
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