run my fingerprints through. They come up as Kimberly Lee Kesler. Um, I was born in May of 1968, May 9th. I am 50 years old. I've been running from the FBI for over 25 years. I've been living under this particular alias since 1999. >> Spoiler details are in the video description, and the full results of all charges in the case are laid out at the end of the video. So, I would prefer to be called Kim Kim. But, >> okay. I just want to make sure that I'm calling you uh by your right now. >> But if you run them through, I mean, the last time I got picked up was back in 1999, and I bonded out. And it took him I don't remember. It was a couple weeks. I don't know if it was 2 and 1/2 weeks or three and a half weeks before they actually, you know, matched them up. Matched them up. >> Yeah. It didn't like But that was 1999, so maybe it was a little bit slower then. But I don't know. there's like lots of people on the face of the planet. So maybe it still takes time. I'm not sure. >> And and it may be too that you since you've had this alias for for so long. You know, it probably you've probably done a lot of stuff since that time. And so you've actually kind of got a you know, you've got a history under that name. So it probably shows up in different databases and stuff like that. That's just a guess. Maybe maybe that's why it's happening like that. >> I don't know. Fingerprints are fingerprints. fingerprints are and I agree with you but I haven't >> I didn't erase them with acid so they are the same >> and I agree with you but I haven't I haven't run your fingerprints and if St. John's did they they failed to to notify us that you know uh of the different name. So I apologize. >> Perhaps they just thought I was a you know a nut job. So they just ignored me but >> it it will eventually come up. So >> we'll just call you Kim. >> Okay. If you're deal with Kim we'll call you. >> Yeah. My mom's name she's Connie Kesler. She's up in Butler, Pennsylvania. I have a brother Robert Charles Kesler. A sister Sarah Sarah Jacqueline Hollyy Kesler. Excuse me. Kesler Hollyy. Hoy. >> Does your family know you? Or you don't or you don't want your >> I haven't That's fine. I haven't talked to them in a while. Um I have cousins and all that. All my people are >> Do you not want Do you not want to spend time with them anymore or just >> Um yeah, I'd like to. I'm I'm ready to go back to being myself. I spent, you know, about 25 years running from the FBI and thought I could build like a life for myself and I've done nothing. I've been living I mean I've been trying. I've been living in my car for the last over 2 years. I'm not getting It's not getting any better. Okay. I I would I would like I would like to know, you know, and I'm not the FBI. I'm not a federal law enforcement agent or anything like that, but you know, I kind of like to hear the background of of why, you know, for the last 25 years. >> Pull it all up. Pull it up on the computer. Pull my name up. Pull it up. Kimberly Kesler. >> You should be able to pull that up. What what I'll do is if you'll get if if you'll give me a minute, I I will step outside and my crime analyst is actually here and I'll give her that information and let her and let her uh work on that. >> Yeah. Kimberly Lee Kesler. Kind of a silly middle name, isn't it? It's like my mom stuttered. I'm just saying. I never really cared for it. >> What's >> her name? Actually, she has two birth certificates but only one social security card. And her her father named her Constance Lee. like constantly. >> Her mother hate it. Her mom, if >> you had to explain that, I wouldn't have got it. >> Her mother, my granny flipped over that. So, my grandfather named her Constance Lee Schmidt is her maiden name. And then my grandmother named her Oh, no. Her name's going to be Constance Robera Schmidt. So, she that's her maiden name, but it's Constance Schmidt Kesler. >> So, do you plan on going back and reuniting with your family or you haven't decided or what? >> Yeah, I think so. He's just I'm 50 years old. I am 50 and I am just guess what? >> It doesn't matter. Looks are deceiving. Obviously, some people look young. Some people whatever. It doesn't even matter. >> You have children? >> I do. I have a son. He is in North Carolina with his father. Um that's what got me going running again. In 1999, Child Protective Services snatched him while I was at work from the babysitter and that really sent me over the edge. So, um, thankfully his father got him. I He told me that the judge told him or the the judge said to CPS, "Why won't you give this man his son?" Like, "Why are you fighting against him?" And the judge made him get our son. And so, thankfully, my son is 20 years old now. I haven't seen him since he was 14 months old. I'm very grateful that his father got to raise him. I did not want him in foster care. Scared me to death. I couldn't even understand why they were why they took him. So that set me on my last 19-year run. He was he was born in 1998. My son is Evan Everett Brooke and I was under the name Christina Brooke at the time. Yeah, the names go on, don't they? Wow. >> And um Yep. 25 years. Did I mention I've been running from the FBI? They'll have a list of everything. Everything. So um >> how long you been cutting hair? I have been petting hair um since I was a kid, but I actually got into the like professional with a license like four years ago. >> I guess that works well if you're moving them moving around a lot. I guess it's >> you can weigh tables or whatever. I have driven a tractor and trailer, which I did in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Um did I mention I'm one in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Arizona. >> I also had a real estate license in Arizona. It goes on and on. I didn't really sell anything, though. Here's the thing. It's just I guess it requires like I just thought that Okay. So, my grandparents on my father's side of the family made a lot of money. A lot of money >> in real estate or >> No, [laughter] no. Um, actually estate sales. >> Oh, yeah. >> Lots and lots and lots of money. Like unbelievable amounts. And I just thought to myself, I'm going to make money. Well, no. It requires like a special blessing from God. It also requires help. What I noticed in the last 25 years of being on my own, I especially after my son was taken, I didn't let anybody get really too close to me. I did get into abusive relationships. That was foolish. And then I really kept everybody at arms length, but never really let too many people get close to me. It is virtually impossible to take care of oneself by yourself. >> You can't do it. >> It's It's funny because >> you got to have somebody. You got to have a wife or you got to have people. You can't do it by yourself. So, >> it's amazing though that you've, you know, for 25, I mean, it's amazing to me that, you know, because you always hear about people going, >> "Oh my gosh, you know, I just want to start over. I just want to, you know, I just want to be somebody else. I just want a whole new identity." But then if you ever really look into it, I mean, it's it's complicated. >> It's complicated. >> It's very complicated. It's very complicated. So, um, >> what what is your what is your your son now? Were you married to the guy that you had? Okay. So, do they know that you're I mean, where did they >> They know I'm running. They know I'm running. He's probably angry about it. I gave him before I left. All I had to give him was an old Volkswagen bug that I had. I was driving this. It was nice. Like, they had a nice >> the year bug. It was like a I don't know. It's all put together. So, I think it was on the title maybe a 68 or something like that. It had a bus engine in it, a 1776 dual delo car, blah blah blah, whatever. But it was nice, like cute or whatever, but shiny. And >> now the 68 was that a split window? Was it split window? >> I don't remember. All I remember was blue. >> And I could never do any work on it myself at all. Like nothing. I couldn't even change the oil. Like it complicated it. >> We used to when I was in high school back when bugs are kind of rare now. You don't see them. They're actually, you know, um but but back then >> this was from Arizona. That's where so it was preserved. >> So it was preserved. So it didn't have any, you know, salt or rust cuz we used to make what they call the Baja Beach. >> Oh yeah, those are cute. The big fat tires. >> I grew up on I grew up near the ocean, you know. We had the big tires on it and everything. So >> put the little like exhaust right up in the air. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Or maybe bend it over in case it rains it doesn't get out. But >> got to put a can on it. >> Yeah, I've seen that, too. Stinger bite is what they call him. >> That's one of my um first relationships in Arizona. He was actually he robbed banks and I met him I was working I was working as a um topless dancer and that was before my truck driving debut. So, um, and I did that just for a little while, just um, I love to dance and I just it I don't know. I I was young and, you know, it it didn't bother me, but then it bothered me. I'm like, what am I, you know, it like starts to wear on you like you start to feel like dirty and I'm like, man, I can't do this anymore. But um so I met him at a at a topless bar in Phoenix and um just started going out with him and whatever and and um he was with me whenever he called somebody and they said the FBI is looking for you and he's like oh my god. And then he tells me everything. Oh, I've robbed these banks. I'm like you what? Like here's me. Where's the money? Yeah. So, >> he had no money and I hid him in my apartment and that was like kind of almost the beginning. >> Are you going to write a book one day? >> I don't even know if anyone believed me. The FBI has a record so you know it's true. Okay, look it up. It sounds like a bunch of crap. Look it up. They have a record. It's true. >> Kind of an interesting story. That's >> But he had a where I was going with that. He had a Baja bug. [laughter] So >> Wow. So was that And you said that was when it it all first started. Is that when you kind of first went on the run? >> No, I had two IDs at the time. I had myself and then my other ID. And um that's Yeah, I kind of started I got my real estate license and then that's when I started cuz I used my other ID and I got printed >> and I had been printed once before. What was I printed once before? For I don't know. Pull it up. It's kind of like just pull it up. >> Well, you've done pretty good being around for >> 25 years. Thank you. It's tiring. [laughter] >> It's got It's got to be tiring though, you know? It's like >> Where's your favorite place at? Obviously, you travel around a lot. >> I travel a little bit. Um I don't know. See, like I was always like looking for that heaven on earth, but there is no heaven on earth. So, and there's no perfect place, >> especially when you're when you're by yourself. It's it's it's got to be tough to uh you know, >> I mean, I'm pretty good by myself. Like I just do a lot of prayer so I always feel like I have God with me but God wasn't really with me because if he was I would have made that money but my granny and pap all of us I mean you know uh I mean I believe that personally you know I really do >> well it gives us a chance for sure but he didn't bless me like he didn't care how hard I worked. It was like minimum wage, >> less than minimum wage. I'm like, >> well, you know, the world's changed a lot. I mean, it's >> Yeah. >> Nowadays, I mean, you can't even have God in school, which is I mean, ridiculous. >> You can't even do whatever. I'm sorry. >> You can't have God in school, you know, anymore. And, you know, that's that's that's ridiculous. And, >> you know, the world would be a whole lot better place if you know, I mean, >> well, yeah, that is, >> you know, seek out the religion. That's the design of things to continually get worse. I mean, that's there's no way to get to revelation without it. You know what I mean? Like, and all that has to come to pass regrettably, not looking forward to it, hoping to dip out in some way, shape, or form in a proper way. I want to dip out the proper way, not in the wrong way. Cuz if I dip out the wrong way, it's not going to be good. So, but um yeah, I don't look forward to it. But I mean, I'm I was watching some stuff on YouTube because I've been, you know, I told you on YouTube YouTube, but some of these um people are talking about the chips being out and some of the elderly folks, they were chipping them because they had maybe Alzheimer's or whatever. And um just the things that these old people said and and I it just kind of shocked me. I'm like, I am there was a time when I was younger, I'm like I think, you know, of course, you know, 25 years running from the FBI, I'm like, okay, well, maybe I'll take the chip and I'll go home and I'll take the chip out. You know, like I'm trying to figure ways around it, right? Well, um, from what I heard on something on on, uh, YouTube, they said that there's something in that actual chip that changes or alters the DNA so that you can't take it out. That's what makes it cuz if you read Revelation when he talks about that, you know, it doesn't say anybody took the chip out and like changed their mind and got saved. It just says once they took the mark of the beast, that was it. I'm like, well, why can't it be? Why can't they just repent, you know? Well, it's because it actually alters their DNA because, you know, they're playing with DNA big time. It alters it so a person can't >> I read that Left Behind series or I got up >> I never got to see the >> you know I never watched the movie but I read almost the whole series and this was several years ago but it got to a point because I was really it was really great. It was book after book, but I almost got to the point where I forget I got like 10 or 11 books in and they were still making more. And I got to the point where I just felt like they were just making so much money off of them. They kept >> stretching them out and making more books just to make more money. I'm sorry that that happened. The Bible's the same though. >> Yeah, it was just >> there's no extra books. I mean, >> yeah. I mean, maybe the Book of Mormon, >> but I just felt like they got greedy because they were very profitable series and they just kept making more books and just putting just fluff in there. They weren't really, you know, so >> sorry that they took you like that on their behalf, you know, >> but the Bible like it's the same. You read that and it's kind of dry. I, you know, but like I don't know. I kind of I compare it to a vitamin. Like whenever you take a vitamin, we don't chew a vitamin up before we swallow it. We just swallow it. >> Well, that's what I do with the word of God. Just just swallow it. Just >> What religion do you follow? >> I just I don't know. God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit. I like the King James version Bible. I haven't really put a name to me. I sometimes church hop. So, it could be anything from Journey Church to the Methodist Church to Baptist. It doesn't matter. >> Are you okay if I ask if if I ask my crime to to run the name? Cuz I'm now you got me you got me out. I didn't make it up. She is. I didn't make it up again. >> You're not joking with me, right? You're not >> Do it, please. You'll see my mug. I'll look a lot younger then. >> Okay. What's >> And thinner, too. I won't be 200 lb. I'll be about 20. >> Hey, you're you're a creature to acquire. You know, >> you can fit in the pants and zippers. Not me. >> What's Give me Give me the full name. >> Kimberly. >> Kimberly. >> Mhm. >> Stupid middle name. Lee. >> Lee. >> Oh god. Kesler. K E S L >> just like the cheap whiskey that no one drinks. I don't even know if they still make it. >> That and what's your what's your >> My social security number is 204920190. My date of birth is May 9th, 1968. And that's all I remember. >> That's Hey, you remember you know to for 25 if you've had several >> Well, no. I'm 50 and I've had that's that's me. >> Guess how old I'm going to be this year. >> 50. >> Good for you. >> Guess what day? 50. >> Mine is uh n I turned 50 in Well, you just had you just had a birthday. >> I just did. Yeah, I just >> Okay. Mine's a September. >> Okay. Oh, my mom was born in September. She was born September 9th. >> My mom. My mom's is September 10th. >> H 19. >> That's interesting. >> I'm a September guy, too. >> Okay. Let me ask you this. If I if I'm I want to sit here and talk to you cuz you're fascinated. But but if >> pull up the report by the FBI, >> but if I'm going to but if I'm going to u if I'm going to go in there and pull it up and you're wanted by the FBI, >> I wanted by the FBI. >> Okay. Are are you right with me in case I get back here and you're wanted for something? [laughter] >> Sorry. >> Renew your rights. If you if you're one by FBI, I'll go back in and talk to you. >> Okay. Awesome. Hold me up, please. >> But I got three questions I got to ask you that's on the form before I before I do that. Okay. The first one is uh are you under influence of any drugs or alcohol right now? >> No. >> Okay. >> Two drugs. >> All right. Um the second one is can you read and write in English language? >> I can't. >> Okay. And the third one is how many years of school did you complete? >> Um quite a few actually. High school of course and college here and there and then more college here and there. I took my GED so many times like three different times in class for each different name like different names I was under. >> Okay. Awesome. >> And obviously obviously you you went to some kind of uh trade school at least or something if you >> Yeah, trade school. Well, I did I drove tractor and trailer for Schneider. That was back whenever they'd actually like put you up in a hotel for like I can't remember it was like 6 weeks and like put you through the training paid training. >> Did you do that here locally or >> I did that up in uh I was in Virginia, lived in Virginia at the time and I went to I think it was was it Charlotte, North Carolina is where I took the classes at for Schneider there. God bless them. You know, they paid you. You know what I mean? But I just it's all in the the dispatcher. She didn't give me good loads. I wasn't making money. So, I mean I >> my my dad drove a truck for for a few years and it was always kind of his dream to to be a truck driver. He was like, I want to see it and make sure he did it for four or five years and absolutely hated it. >> If they pay you well, it's more lovable. >> It's all in the dispatcher and the loads. I mean, some people they make marvelous money, but she just jerked my chain and I'm like, I I quit and I went home and got a cocktail waitress shop and made rent in a week. Whereas I'm like, rent's due. I can't keep playing with this, you know. So I went and swung beer and drinks and whatever in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Made rent. >> That is my retirement job. I'm telling you. >> You would make a great bartender. >> And I want to be and I want to work >> be on the beach. >> Britz Carlton. Britz Carlton weddings banquet department. That'll be better. >> Yeah. I cuz I cuz I like to just sit and talk to people, you know, and it's like >> And people love stories. I mean, a good tale. and and and doctors like but they do it with I don't know about the the women but the but the barber shop you go to and you know people talk to their barber too it's so funny how they'll their bartender and their barber they'll unload all kind of problems they won't tell anybody else to them so I don't know if they get that with with the ladies at the you know salon or or you may >> sometimes but I just I don't know I'll either try to cheer them or you know or it depends like or I'll say you know I'm no expert don't ask [laughter] you No, I'm not. I'm not trying to cuz uh don't count on me to help anybody with a problem. I mean, I can give them advice, but that doesn't mean they should follow it. >> Let me read these to you real quick, and then I'm going to walk inside and let her uh let her see if you're playing a joke on me or not. >> No, I'm not. You'll see. >> All right, >> Britney. >> All right. Have you ever had your Miranda right to you before? >> Yeah, you'll see. >> That's fine. >> Obviously. Look, >> I'm just in here to help him out. That's right. [laughter] >> Okay. You have the right to remain silent. You not have to make a statement or say anything. Anything you say can or will be used against in a court of law. You have the right to speak to a lawyer and have a lawyer present with you during any questioning. And if you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, won't be appointed to represent you at no cost before any question if you wish. And you can decide to exercise these rights at any time and not answer questions or make any statements. So, if we come back and we start talking and at some point you decide we don't want to anymore, you can say, "Sir, okay." >> No. Yeah. >> Okay. So, you understand what I >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Let me go drop this off. I'll be >> Yay. Good job, Jim. >> We'll be back with you, Kim. >> All right. I'll be right here. >> I'm going to say, [laughter] >> "Wow, Kim." >> I didn't lie. >> Well, she's still working on stuff, but she found this right away. Is that you? >> Yeah, that's me. I was like under squid my eyes. You know what? She wanted me to open my eyes there in Tennessee because they wanted to scan them and I wouldn't open them. See how squinty my eyes are? The woman kept saying this one. >> Open your eyes. No, this one. Open your eyes. >> I was going to say your eyes look >> open your eyes. >> Is that a driver's license? >> Yep. Open your eyes. I wouldn't do it. I like them squid until she finally gave in and took the picture cuz I didn't want my eyes scanned. It's not. Um, >> that's me with short hair. >> It's not saying that you're wanted, though. It's just saying that you're a missing person. Why would you be wanted? >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have aliases. I have IDs. I was Christina Brooke whenever I had my son, Evan Brookke. >> What name you wanted, though? >> I am Kimberly Kesler. That's >> No, no, no. But you said you're wanted. You've been running for the FBI. Why? What do you >> So whenever they snatched my son, I um went out and bought a gun. >> Okay. >> And whenever I went to visit my son, I planned on taking him. >> Mhm. >> Um I never made it to see him that he wasn't there anyways. And I got arrested for having a gun. >> Oh. What state was that in? >> Virginia. And that's when another time whenever the the run began. But I also was running. Let's see. So, in Arizona, I used the ID Melissa Mccernin. Pull it up. It should come up. Melissa Mccernin um and went for the real estate license. And there you get fingerprinted. Well, I was fingerprinted once before as Kimberly Kesler for trouble I've gotten into prior. So, whenever it ran through, you know, they were like, I got in trouble. They were looking for me then. They were like, uh, we show you these fingerprints come up as Kimberly Kesler, but you say you're Melissa McCern. And I'm like, ah. So, [laughter] so it started it just goes on and on. Now, they that's probably my mother saying I'm a missing person. I'm not missing. I'm just >> Yeah, that's the only thing. Well, like I said, she's she's still looking, but but immediately whenever she puts your real name in, this is what this is what this is the first thing that popped up. And I looked at and I said, I can see the smile and I can kind of see it in in the in the nose, especially in the black and white picture cuz it's a little bit clearer than the than the one on the right. Did you have red hair at one point in time? >> I've did all sorts of things to my hair. Of course, I'm a girl. I'm going to do that. [laughter] >> Wow. Wow. But like I said, I don't see where as far as um uh them saying you're wanted anywhere. I mean, she could she could run it on further out. >> I am wanted in Arizona for I guess just fraud because I am Kim Kesler and >> just because of fingerprints. I did get the license. They issued it to me and then later they came back with fingerprints. It t it took longer to run them through in like the early 90s. It took like months. So maybe even longer than that. And then they came back and they're like the FBI. They actually I don't know how I got the message, but I called him and he was like I'm blah blah blah FBI. And I'm like and he's like um are you Melissa Mcern? I'm like yes. And he's like well I also show you as Kimberly Kesler. And I'm like he's like what did you do? I couldn't remember. All I could say I think all I said was like, "I'm sorry, sir. I'm sorry, sir. I'm sorry, sir." And I hung up on him >> and then I had my boyfriend take me to the airport and I flew back to Virginia. >> Wow. What was the charge in Virginia? Do they have a carrying? Was it just >> probably for the weapon thing? And then they were still trying to do something with it. They were trying to have a weapon in Virginia or just >> I think probably whenever you're going to I plan on taking my son back. That's >> bond out or did you do time? >> I bonded out. So I never went back for any >> So you probably that too >> you may have a failure to you may have a failure to appear then or >> that as well. But um I was I'm just very grateful that my son went with a family member with his father because I was terrified of what they were going to do to him. I'm like what why do you want my son there? It made no sense. believe I mean you may not believe me on that whatever but I'm tell me as a mother I went I'm like take my son >> so far >> you know when we first started talking I'm like she's but there's some there's some you know >> and that I can't believe it come on you can't pull me up no no no they're they're they're working on that >> it shouldn't take that long it's a computer it's 2018 [clears throat] >> yeah well >> it's not we I actually had to call. Our crowd man was back in. She was probably like, "It's Friday night." >> No, it's okay. >> Yeah. So, uh, she's probably not happy with me right now. >> Sorry. >> No, it's not. No, no, it's all she'll get paid over time. >> St. John's ignored it. I'm like, okay. Whenever I went before whoever, I told him my name is. I've been running from the FBI for over I think I said with him only 20 years, but it's longer than that. >> Was that the judge or one of the detectives down there? >> I don't know. Wherever they take you in before somebody. So, I was with all these other people. We stood, I guess, before a judge. I mean, but I said, "My name is Kimberly Lee Kesler. My birth date. I've been running from the FBI forever." >> Well, I appreciate you being honest. >> Told him. I think he just laughed at me and he said something else and told me to sit down. So, >> he probably he probably was like, you know, didn't believe you. He's probably thinking, you know, she's cuz we get, you know, I've been this this, you know, >> print me. I didn't erase them with acid. I It crossed my mind, but I thought, how can I work with my hands all like I noticed when he asked you if you were, you know, under the influence of any type of drugs, you kind of had a disgusting look on your face. I assume there's no problems with you and drugs. >> No, I feel bad for people who do drugs. I am grateful that I never got hooked on drugs. I didn't I wasn't an experimentter with that. Um, but I just also I just I don't know. I don't have probably the empathy for people who do drugs that I probably should because friends of mine actually I mean a friend of mine his wife I think I already shared the story she got in a car accident back in 2002 whatever in her Jeep hurt her back they put her on prescription pain meds and that's the end of her life basically she's hooked yeah she's she's hooked on drugs she has no job they're worried about losing everything their 401k their house their everything >> over that it's amazing I you know I used to you probably >> I might be running from the FBI, but I'm not hooked on drives. [laughter] >> And I've seen it earned, you know, like I said, you know, I used to know a lady that worked in a very professional business, made very very good money, never been in trouble in her whole life. She got on the opioid pain medication for a legit legitimate reason. >> Yeah. to talk to and then in three years she went from a hundred plus thousand a year job to McDonald's >> been arrested twice >> and then uh over overdosed at work and died >> a cuz she's just probably so depressed. So it's sad >> and they don't have their really have their wits about them to control that. Like if I were on drugs I would kill myself cuz you don't really you know what I mean? you're just depressed and you just take it. But I have my wits about it. So I'm like, [laughter] you know, don't mess with >> Well, it sounds like even though that, you know, the the trials and tribulations you you've been going through, at least the uh at least that hasn't been >> I try to keep a good sense of humor and I try to be, you know, I mean, I try I'm not trying to be disrespectful or rude or or uh flippant. I'm not trying to be flippant. I'm just trying to keep it kind of real and light, but not I'm not trying to be flippant or sarcastic or anything, [clears throat] >> you know, but I am trying to keep it light because I mean it just helps. It's laugh or cry, man. Laugh or cry. So, I'm I'm going to choose laugh. [laughter] >> So, what do you So, so what do you what do you hope now as far as I mean, you you mean >> I am very grateful my son is alive and well. I was scared his whole life. I have been praying for that boy forever. I'm like I was >> Is he a good dad? How how old is your son now? >> He's 20. His his dad, he's alive, so I'm grateful. And I'm not trying to God bless him. The last words I spoke to his dad, I gave him that Volkswagen bug. >> He was talking about I can't remember what he was talking about, but one of the last times I talked to him and he said he sold me, got the money. And I'm like, "Did you get Evan?" He said, "No." I said, "What?" He I said, "Did you get Evan?" And he said, "No." And I said, "I gave you that Volkswagen to get Evan." I said, "You better get and said, "Help me, God. I'll kill you." And he got Evan. And then I never really talked to him again. He had Evan and he raised him and Evan's 20 years old now. I'm like, "Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord." But Tim has I think Tim's hooked on opioids cuz >> What's Tim do? >> He works on Volkswagen bugs. So that's how I met him. So um but yeah, he he did get Evan, you know, and I had never talked to him that way before, so maybe it shocked him. Well, you know, you know, it takes it takes a lot of, you know, and what really interests me because you I mean, you you fascinate me. I got to tell you because this is like, you know, I'm like >> I'm love him. I'm I'm I'm very grateful he's alive and well. I was so scared his whole life. You have no idea. His dad has his problems and I'm not going to like say anything bad. I'm going to try not to say anything bad about him because I'm very grateful that he went and he got him. I'm very grateful. And he and he held on to him and raised him. You know what I mean? So that for those alone I'm just grateful. >> But and you were saying and I interrupted you. >> I know I just I was just to me it's just it's just and I know and I shouldn't maybe I shouldn't use the word inter talk about your life and I don't there's been struggles with it but I'm just it's it's interesting. Absolutely. I mean it's just >> uh and to me it takes a lot of guts to go okay I'm at the point where >> that's it. I'm 50 years old. This is it. I'm done. >> I'm tired. cuz you know I have this conversation with people a lot and they'll go you know after this you know you know cuz normally when I have somebody in here they're they're in pretty serious trouble and they're like this is it you know um I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to come clean and turn it around and and and honestly um one out of 100 is usually what I see that really make that decision with you. You got you got to have a tremendous amount of intestinal fortitude because you're like to to to to do what you've been doing for the last 25 years. You're strong. >> And it wasn't easy cuz my my childhood was I mean not to give the old childhood story but my childhood was like my mom is something. She nearly killed me that woman. She used to beat us until we stopped crying. >> So yeah, I can control tears. I can control tears to the point of extreme amounts of pain cuz that's what I've been you know that's how she does it. I've seen some horrible things too that she said it was like really kind of mean. But um in any rate, so that's how I was raised. So um >> but you know, >> and I I was I was an honoral student. I went to high school up until like a month before I was supposed to graduate and then something terrible befell me that I got I never was expelled or got any I not never even got detention. I was an honoral student. And I was a cheerleader and but my mom started like acting crazy on me and I started hanging out with the crowd that would take me in which is the what they what we called back in the 80s I graduated or would have graduated in ' 86 the burnout crowd because they you can their parents are lenient. My mom threw me out. They're like, "Yeah, you can crash over here. Heck yeah. I'm tired. It's cold. I have to coat. I got to be in school." >> And I and I started I dropped out all my higher classes, the calculus and all that. I dropped out of everything and took like >> what snake were you in high school? >> Pennsylvania. >> So I took the lower classes home, you know, like stuff where you don't have to do homework or very rarely, you know. I took all the easy classes. I had everything I needed to graduate. I just needed to make it. So I took everything easy, lots of study halls because my mom was acting crazy. I'm like, so I can, you know, I didn't miss school, but I didn't have much required of me when I made it. >> So that was easier. >> You know, when I my my senior year of high school, I graduated in ' 86 as well, >> of course. >> Yeah. And uh and it was and I had all the I had all the required courses I needed except for one. I needed literature and I had everything. And so that and so my uh my senior year I had I had literature first period. The rest of the day I was like I had shop. I was I was a coach's aid. I had great [laughter] I just had I had I had just totally >> Why did you take easy classes? >> And then and and I loved it. It was a great senior year. But I [laughter] got to tell you when I went to college I regretted it because because I I you know I had I had never taken >> and it sounds weird so much you know I I you never had to have algebra to graduate when I graduated high school. I don't know if it was that >> but we didn't have to have it here and when I went to college I'm telling you the only class stand between me and my college degree is out of because it just kicks my ass. >> It's not bad. I >> seventh grade algebra, 8th grade algebra 2, 9th grade geometry, and then I was supposed to be calculus, 10th grade, and that's when she started acting whack. And I'm like, I'm not going to drop. >> That's what got me was math, too. >> I like math. It represents numbers, money. >> Some people have mathematical tech brain, and some people just That's my opinion. Not, you know, and I can do normal math, but >> you can do it. You just didn't want to. >> You could have done it in college. You could have done it. Uhuh. You could have done it. This is what I did in college cuz I ended up taking pre-calc, I guess, or whatever. And I I would do the homework like two or three times, like do it over, write out and again until I like kind of memorized it, I guess, till I felt comfortable. And it by the time I took the test, like I had all the whatever formulas kind of, you know, in my brain, so like I would get an A. And the kids, there were kids in the class way smarter. They had this IQ that was like like a nuclear bomb, right? Huge. And they were failing. I'm like, "Are you kidding me jokers?" Like, cuz it was But I mean, it was just kind of like um brute memorization, like repetition, like writing something on the chalkboard like 50 times or 100 times, like just over and over. But it got me through it. So, I mean, if I can do it, I know you can do it. You just didn't feel like it. That's what I'm saying. Well, I didn't feel like in high school cuz I did it in high school when I was younger and you know it would have uh you they say when you're younger it's a little easier to learn. I don't know if that's true or not but >> yeah um and I mean I'm going to go back and and kick that algebra one day. It's it's on my bucket list to uh if I get it right I'll finish graduating summer school but >> I'm a summer school graduate. >> Good for you. But uh you know you know and and you talking about you know tire running and turning things you know it sounds like to me if anybody could do it you know you could probably >> What's the next chapter for you? I mean what >> I don't even know. I am so grateful my son is alive and well. You don't have any idea. I I was so scared. His dad No one's perfect, right? So I don't know. We all have our whatever. Here are some stories I could probably tell that he told me with his sister-in-law that I couldn't believe and I saw it on the news later. Who curl some hair? I might hold that back for the FBI. Unbelievable. Cuz after I saw it years later, cuz I don't have a TV and I see it on the internet or whatever and I'm like, I remember him telling me about that. They really did that. Oh my god. Do you ever have that? >> Well, you may have some stuff that you can help out with that that can help you with the situations you're in. I don't know. But I'm grateful my son's alive and well. I'm so grateful. So grateful. And and his dad, one of the things his dad did whenever Evan was like three months old. And [snorts] I don't even know why. I think he was on drugs. He always said he wasn't, but he acted so wild. And >> your son's name is Evan, right? Ev. >> Yes. Evan. And his dad's name is Tim. Timothy Everett Edwards. And Evan's name is Evan Everett Brooke. And I was going by Christina Brooke at the time. So anyway, his dad took us and he was just acting kind of crazy and he's like, "Give me oven." It was at night and I'm like, "For what?" Like he was never even interested in the baby before. It's like 9:00 at night. I'm like, "For what?" Like, "Give me the baby." I'm like, "For what?" And he goes to like grab him and I'm like, "He's 3 months old. You can't wrestle over a three-month-old. They're fragile." >> I'm like, "What?" and he just took his head and like pushed it up. And I didn't want to like resist because it's a baby. And he pushed his head into my head, not very hard, but it made him cry. And I'm like, what are you doing? Like he just did that. And I was, it was the only thing that he ever did that, you know, was like nasty. But I'm like, I'm going to call the police. You need to go. What is wrong with you? And he was just kind of >> But but here's the here's the thing. Al Evan's alive and well. He didn't kill him. [laughter] >> Do you plan on Do you plan on trying to reconcile with Evan? >> I That's my baby. That's my son. That's my only son. >> He was a baby. I don't know. 14 months. I mean, >> I have pictures on the iPhone of him. Um, a couple of them that I found on the internet. So, but yeah, I haven't seen him since he was a baby. I'm >> You need to go see him. Every kid, let me tell you something. I go by and see my mom almost every day. I I know he does, but listen, I go by and see my mom almost every day after work because my dad turned 84 this year. Uh his health is not good. My mom uh is she will be 78 this year and she's just beginning to slow down, but I'm like >> I try to go by and see them every day after work if I can. And I can't always do it because I'm like, you know, I'm running out of time to go by and see them, you know, especially with my dad, you know, and uh, you know, so I always try to you need to try to you need to try to see Evan. I mean, I know I know there's a lot of [ __ ] going on in your life, but you need to >> What else is new? I'm used to it now. My dad passed away when I was young, and that was one of the hardest things. I wish if I could go back in time, that's one thing. If I could change it, I would. I'd somehow save him. He died. Right before I turned 21, so I was 20. Um, at the time I was, let's see, I was working at a restaurant, but before that I was bartending for a while, but um, I ended up having to settle that. He, my mom divorced him right before he died, and he loved that woman. She's not a nice woman. Okay. Um, um, I had to settle the estate myself, bury him myself. I had never done any of that before. I love my dad. I hyperventilated and cried for over a year. >> I'm going to be in a basket case. And I'll tell you, I have dealt with death my whole career. And I have told had the unfortunate opportunity to tell 100 people that or more that their loved ones are gone. And and I can do it because it's my job. >> But when it comes down to, you know, I hear I see other people all the time. It's like I and they're like, "Are you going to speak at your dad's ground?" Like, "Are you kidding me? I won't be able to hold my head up, you know, or or my mother for that for that, you know, matter. I just, you know, but you need to and I'm sorry. I'm not trying to give you advice, but I just I'm just tell when it comes to family, >> I'm all about, you know, um and I'm fortunate because it sounds like you had some some >> problems with family, but I I you know, we we didn't have money, but I was truly blessed that my mom and dad are, you know, >> great parents. You know, we didn't we didn't have name brand, but we but we had clothes and we had >> they were clean and >> and it didn't matter how many jobs they had to work to make it happen. >> Have you talked to Evan? >> No. No. Uhuh. I haven't he hasn't seen me and I haven't seen him since he was a baby. So, um No. And he's who knows what his dad put in his head. You know what I mean? So, here's the deal. In in 2015, after I got my cosmetology license in 2014, I rode I didn't have a car yet. I just had my motorcycle up to North Carolina. Rode my motorcycle. Yeah, >> hold on. I'll answer maybe 20 more questions. [laughter] Let me tell my little story that is boring to you. Sorry. So, um I went up there and and I planned on seeing him. I wanted to see him. I wanted to somehow like get a job in a barber shop or Great Cliffs nearby and you know maybe somehow get involved in his life. But I ended up that's when I broke my leg and then I ended up having to go up to you know Minnesota because they had free health insurance. And then I came back to Florida because I couldn't afford like I tried North Carolina again, but their the state income tax is too much. And I had a car at the time to live in, but it just [snorts] it's just too hard. It's just way too hard. But I was hoping to somehow get involved in his life, but you know, >> it's not too late. >> Well, now I'm like, okay, I'm on the map again. I'm on the grid. Hi. I'm not going to do it discreetly. is, you know, joke or whatever. But >> speaking of all the map, do you know why why you're here? >> Um, yes. I'm being accused. Uh, you accused me the other night of uh, you're like, "Where's Jolene at?" So, and and I do not know where she is. Okay. >> That's, you know, and and the other night and I think I apologize to you the other night because, you know, I just when I talk to you and tell you that that family means a lot to me. Um, you know, couple days ago I met Jolene's two sons and I mean they were literally I mean they were I call it and it's probably not the best term to use cuz people will look at it and go that's kind of a president statement and I don't mean it that way but you know my mom when I was a kid she say stop running around like a wild Indian. I mean that's what it reminded me of cuz her two little kids were just literally I'm standing there and one of them's running between my legs just running around and they're and they're all over the floor and I'm like you know they They were running around like wild. I don't mean that in a negative [laughter] way. And uh it was just, you know, it just it broke my heart because I was like, you know, um where is she? It's, you know, she had been reported missing. They said, you know, there's no way that she's not going to be with her kids. And so I probably come across harsh when I talked to you the other day. And for that, you know, I didn't I didn't mean anything by it, but like I said, I want to know I want to be able to find her and I want to be able to get her back with her little boy. It's just like you need to go and be with Evan, she needs to be with her her with her kids. Okay. Um, so again, if I come across uh, you know, I >> your job. >> No, it's more it is my job, but at the same time, I try not to let your, you know, in my job, you try not to let your emotions get involved, but sometimes even I've been doing it for 21 years. Sometimes I let things get to me that I shouldn't let, you know, let get to me and at least until later on when I'm not trying to have a conversation with somebody, you know, you kind of put those things to the side and you worry about them later and maybe I didn't do a good job with that when I started talking to you. >> You're fine. And feelings are just kind of a funny thing cuz I was raised by kind of stout German people that are like, "Suck it up. You don't show feelings. I'll beat you until you stop crying." So we're like, we finally learned. It only took a couple beats. were like, "Okay, we got this under control." But feelings are like a funny thing because you got to somehow deal with them. >> And I've never really quite figured that one out. Like where do you stuff them? Well, I stuff them in different places. Then I end up stuffing my face cuz I'm going to do some something wrong to like try to quelch that because we all have, you know, feelings that aren't positive. Not everyone's happy. I mean, we all have things in our life, you know. So, and I stuff it with food, which is not good. And other people do with drugs and alcohol or whatever. the the right way to do it is like going to the gym. >> Yeah. Or, [laughter] you know, I like to go uh camp or hike and and it's like if I can I say I don't like I like being alone for short periods. I couldn't do it for for 25 years, but to me nothing's better than a three-day in the woods right by myself, me and nothing but a campfire and a canoe or something like that. >> Squirrels and birds. >> Yeah. Critters. Is there it, you know, and again, you know, can we I don't think we talked much about it the other night because like I said, I probably didn't handle it as professionally as I should have, but can we just go through when you work with her on that Saturday, so I can Is there anything you can tell me that did she ever talk to you about a a boyfriend? I know she I know she's got a husband. I know she had a boyfriend. Did she ever talk about anybody she was scared of? She did she ever say anything that would that she wanted to run away and get away from at all? calling, you know, >> I don't remember hearing anything. She would have different conversations sometimes with different clients because different clients you don't tell every client, you know what I mean? Like, but the one client that What was it? The one I want the one I told you. What was it? She >> She was saying CPS came to her house. She was telling one client that I caught a little blip of it in between listen YouTube and the phone ringing and and she I remember hearing her say she thought her her ex-husband or her husband was doing to get out of paying child support. That's all I heard and I don't remember ever hearing about a boyfriend ever. But then again, I don't always really pay attention. And as I told you before, Miss Anne, she really like talked to Miss Anne. Like her and Miss Anne would go out back and they smoke cigarettes together. I sit all back sometimes for a while and they would even forget that their clients were and I would have to go in the back and be like, "Hey, your clients are here." Cuz they would get so involved in talking. So I don't know as much as you know maybe Miss Anne and honestly whenever I first started she would tell me you know I don't even remember what she would start to tell me some things and I would be like I'm not the person to ask. I can't give you any good counsel. >> Did she tell you who she was hanging around with or was she into anything that maybe she shouldn't have been hanging? He would just say to me like, you know, the time or two that she'd say, "I'm just going home and having a quiet night at home or like I don't have the kids tonight or you know, whatever. I'm just going to enjoy this." And I'd be like, "You're young. Why don't you go out?" She's like, "No, I don't need a man in my life." But here she had a boyfriend. I didn't even know that. So, >> was she involved in any bad habits or anything that could get her in trouble? >> Um, I I can't say that it that she did, but I did find a bag that I believe had crystal meth in it. Just a little bit in the bottom, a tiny baggie back by the back door. Um, at first I thought, well, maybe it's Val, uh, Vicky's daughter, uh, whatever her name is, Whitney, you know, cuz I heard she had a drug habit, but hers is opiate and that's not crystal meth. So, I didn't even know what it was at first. And it was actually Jolene who said, "That's a drug baggie." And I'm like, "Really?" She said, "Yeah, that's drugs." She goes, "Do you know what kind of drugs is?" I said, "I don't know. I don't know. It could be bath salts. It looks kind of like crystals." And um she I ended up looking up on the internet and I believe it was crystal meth. >> How much was on how much was >> just a little bit in the bottom but enough that you could see it was crystals. And I'm like and then as I started watching YouTube videos and trying to get myself educated on drugs, you know, the the behaviors and so forth, I'm like well maybe it was Jolene's. But at first I didn't think it was hers. I thought it was maybe uh Vickiy's daughter Whitney because Whitney has a drug problem. But I didn't know exactly what at the time. And then later I found out it's Whitney likes opiates and heroin. She doesn't, >> you know. I don't know. >> Did you guys Did you guys ever hang out after work? Did you ever go anywhere? >> No. >> Together? >> Okay. Um, she ever allowed to use your car? You're allowed to use her car? Did you ever go anywhere together like that? >> No. >> Okay. Okay. >> But you asked me all that before and answered before. >> Oh, okay. I was >> That's all right. I mean, >> I think I think when when we were um the charge you were arrested on is a grand theft auto charge. You knew that, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Um and that was kind of what I was talking with you about the other day. Um, and the reason you're charged with that is cuz whenever we talked about that, um, there's video of you dropping her car off at the Home Depot parking lot there in Uli and walking across and going into the uh, gate station and getting a taxi cab back down to uh, they had it listed as Dick Swings, but it was back down there to where Tangles is. Okay. And that's why you're you you know you're charged with a grand theft audit. And I'm not trying to trick you. I'm not trying to fool you. You're opening up to me and I'm opening up to you. Okay. That's the reason you're charged with that. You're not charged with anything else. Okay. But something happened to Jo and you know we actually sent our sent our crime scene unit out to process um tangles and there was some evidence there. Okay. We have also and and I don't want you to think I've been fooling you out. You know I just want to talk to you and get to know you a little bit because I think something [clears throat] something that that you didn't plan happened. But let me tell you what what we did, okay? Cuz I just want to be honest with you because I think something bad happened that you didn't intend to happen, but um uh we have, you know, taken a look at your car on the accident and we we went out and um uh went to your storage unit on the island and we did that all on a legal basis. We had search warrants for Okay. Um, we've got the the video of you at the when you go in and buy a bottle of water, you bought it on your credit card. Uh, you paid for the uh for the cab on your credit card. Uh, you use the clerk's phone to make the phone call to the to the cap company. Um, we also never recovered your shoes that has Jolene's blood on your shoes. So, I just want you to if something happened that you didn't intend to happen, I want to talk to you about it. I don't think you're evil person. I don't think you're a mean person. I think you have done one hell of a job getting through the last 25 years. Um, and I just want you to be honest with me. You're ready to make a new start. You're ready to start over. >> I don't know if there's really any new start. I mean, I'm my life. I'm 50 years old. I don't really see I don't see anything foreseeable great in my life. >> I give up. I give up. I'll keep breathing and praying and that's about it. >> Well, let me let me put it to you this. >> I don't see anything panning out. No, >> listen. But listen to me. You know, I get it. And I and and I would I would probably I would probably I would probably I would probably agree with you as far as, >> you know, that dream life that everybody's going to have, >> it's probably at 50 years old with everything that you've been through, >> it's probably not going to happen. No. But I'll tell you what else I what I what what I do believe and and I'm being sincere about this, you know, because I've seen people that that I've sit in here and talked to and like I said, only one out of a hundred usually I'll see them three or four years later and they'll go, you know, things are great, things are much better. I haven't been in trouble. I've turned things around. Um, but I have seen a lot of people that uh when they come in here and we first start talking, they're carrying a big big heavy burden. And you've been carrying not just I think what recently happened. You've been carrying some other burdens from what you're telling me. You know, I don't I don't see where you want it anywhere else, but >> I can't believe it. Computers really that slow, >> but I've seen it. They may have it in there. She she may have it, but I just I want to talk to you. I want to keep up and keep keeping. Um, so she may very well have that now. Um, but I've seen people when they finally go, "Okay, I'm tired of running. I'm tired of being tired. I'm tired of being something I'm not. And you know, even if it means that they're going to have to make some more sacrifices and some bad stuff's going to come towards them, just the weight off their shoulders. I mean, there's sometimes I sit here and you can literally see them just kind of go [sighs] and it's like I'm I'm ready to tell the truth. I'm ready to do this, you know? And I don't think you're bad. I don't think you're evil. I think some and I gotta tell you, we've talked to the we've talked to the owner of the business and I know that she was kind of uh said something some negative things to you that day. She said that she thought you were fake. She thought you were phony and she was going to look you up and uh you know, >> I don't remember any of that. >> Okay. That's what I was told. That's what uh what's the name of the lady that uh she's got the heart issue that owns the uh >> Vicki. Vicki. >> No, I'm sorry. It was not Vicki. It was it was um I said that wrong. I apologize. There's a there's a uh a uh Asian woman that works there a couple days a week. >> She was there. She and she was there that day. I apologize. It was not the owner. She said that that that there was uh not so much but just that uh there was some tension in you guys that last day. And she said that that's what Jolene told you that you know. She said she overheard that. Um, but >> did an accident happen between y'all? I mean, >> hey, I think Jolene's dead and I think you know where Jolene is and I want to I don't want to go tell her her her ex. You know, I know that she didn't have a great relationship with her ex, but I know she loved those two boys. I don't want to uh them to I dread the the point, but it's going to happen. I'm going to have to tell them that their mom is gone. Okay. >> And we need to know where >> but but I need to I need to at least let them be able to give them give her a proper >> she she's out there somewhere. Her body's out there somewhere. >> Let us get her buried properly or whatever whatever final arrangements they need to take care of. You know, I I just want you to think about it for a minute. Um we're going to find out what happened. I don't mean that in a threat. I don't mean that in a bad way. Um, I've been here for 4 days almost, you know, 16, 18 hours a day cuz I'm going to find out where that those little boys mama is. I promise I'm going to do that. You can help me do that. And you're the one that can make it happen right now. >> No, I cannot. And I'm not. Again, whatever fury may come. I >> how blood is on your How does her blood get on your on your on your on your >> So, let me reply this way and you may not like the answer. I would like legal counsel. I haven't been able to call anybody. I haven't been able to call my mom. And I see how that works. And that that that may still continue to go on. I may not be able to call anybody. You'll just stick me in jail and I'll sit there and I can't call anybody. And on and on we go. That's fine. >> I can't speak for what you know when you were held down. >> I couldn't call anybody. I couldn't call my mom. I couldn't call anybody. Nothing. >> I can assure you when you get to our facility, we we will uphold the letter of law as far as whatever the policy is and whatever legal and rights you have, your will be >> uphill. Well, they weren't so far. So, I don't really even expect them to be. That's what I saw down there. They didn't pay attention to me. That's fine. I just I'm expecting that that's what I heard that southern jails that's what happened. So, I'm like I'm perfectly expecting it to be really bad. >> That's not That's not going to happen here. I promise you [clears throat] that >> Virginia Beach >> Kimberly Lee Kesler was originally charged with firstdegree premeditated murder and grand theft auto in connection with the 2018 disappearance of her salon coworker in Nassau County, Florida. On December 9th, 2021, a jury found her guilty of both first-degree murder and grand theft auto. On January 27th, 2022, she was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on the murder count with a concurrent 5-year term on the grand theft auto charge. As of the most recent verified information, Kesler remains incarcerated in the Florida State Prison System, serving that life sentence with no eligibility for parole and no successful appeals overturning the conviction.