So, what's going on? >> Sorry about the delay. Things are getting kind of crazy here and we're just trying to get some things sorted out. >> Okay. >> And you'll have to be uh patient with me because I know very little. So, I'm I'm still trying to get things sorted out. So, I'm going to start with basics. >> Can I get your name, ma'am? >> Roxan Puck. >> Okay. R O X >> A N E. >> Okay. >> Buck like the deer. >> What's your middle name? >> Lee L. Sorry. >> LV. >> L E. >> And your home address? >> 4410 Maple Park. >> Okay. >> And a phone number there? >> 330805. >> Shoot. >> I don't call myself. 4194. >> 4194. Your date of birth? >> 8169. >> And your social security number? >> 14860-5496. >> Okay. And do you own that home? >> No, you're right. >> I'm a roommate. >> You're a roommate. Who Who else do you live with? >> Diana Michelle. >> Diane. >> Mhm. Diane Johnson. And Michelle Johnson is her daughter. >> Okay. Diane. J O H N S O N. >> Yes. Diana. >> Diana. >> I call her Diane. >> Okay. So it's Diana Johnson. And that's mom. >> Yes. >> Okay. And the daughters who? >> Michelle Johnson. >> Michelle. >> How long have you guys lived there together? >> Um at that place February 1st. >> Okay. >> And before that on Mac Drive, I rented a room from her >> from uh Diana. >> Diana. >> All right. Do you have any reason why why they brought they called you down to the station? >> No. >> Okay. Uh Michelle's been seriously injured. Okay. Um, they suspect foul play is involved. >> When's the last time you saw Michelle? >> Around 12:45 yesterday. >> Last night as in the morning after Well, more afternoon. >> 12:45 in the afternoon. Yesterday. >> I know this cuz I was supposed to pick my friend up from work >> and she called me and said that I didn't have to. So, it's on the caller ID. >> On the caller ID of the house. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And I left shortly after because Michelle said she was having people over and if I was working cuz I work at home and I said no because she didn't want Yes. >> What do you have? >> American Medical Response. I work for them. >> What is that? >> An ambulance. >> Okay. So, what do you >> I bill and code from home. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, you know, she asked people usually she asked me if I'm working because sometimes they get I don't have a door so it gets loud. >> You don't have a door in >> in my room. >> Okay. >> All right. So, where was she at? 12:45 when she called. >> My friend was at work. I was supposed to pick her up, but she called and said I didn't need to. >> Michelle? >> Michelle was at home. >> Oh, so you saw her there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Bear with me because again, I I don't know all the people we're talking about, so >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> Just be patient. Plus, I'm old. Okay. You have to be patient. >> Me, too. >> Okay. So, Michelle was with you and then you got a call and is that when you left her at the house? >> Well, I left her at the house because she said she was having people over. >> Oh, she >> Yeah. So, I took off for a few hours. Did she think was coming over? >> No. >> Do you know any of her friends? >> No. She lets people in. Usually it's at night. Sometimes she goes out. >> Okay. So, around 12:45 yesterday, you got a call that somebody needed her, right? >> No, to cancel my I was waiting for her to call to get her. Amanda >> is my friend and I was supposed to pick her if you can copy. >> Excuse me. >> Is she going to be okay? >> Just give me one sec. Yeah, they're they're out there right now. I just heard a couple weeks ago, >> I guess, at the the residence on >> there when I left. >> All right. What time did you leave? Was you there early today? Left for work. I >> I was left all day. I was there all day today and I left for work. >> Okay. What time was that approximately? >> 5:30. >> 5:30. All right. >> She wasn't there then. >> Okay. Do you know where she was earlier in the day? >> No, I haven't seen her since yesterday. In fact, I I IMD her mom and I said, "Michelle's dog is driving me crazy." You know, I took her for a walk this morning because she was supposed to work at 7-Eleven, so I thought that's where she was last night. >> Okay. >> But the dog was barking and so I took her for a walk and I lost her and I called the police asking what to do cuz it's a rot. Okay. >> Um but I got a call 20 minutes later from your dispatch people. And and I I said, "The dog is driving me nuts." >> It's like barking and stuff. Why not? Yeah. >> Yeah. They do that sometimes. And I said, "I haven't seen Michelle since yesterday." >> Okay. >> I go, "Can you call her? I don't have her number." >> So, and then I I to Michelle, but she never got back to me. I'm like, "Your dog is driving me crazy." >> Okay. At 7-Eleven. Does she work at 7-Eleven? >> She just got the job this week. >> All right. Yeah. Which one? >> Uh, yeah. Fish Creek and Graham because her mom asked me to look up the number. >> Okay. >> Has she actually started working yet? I don't know. >> I don't pay that much attention to I'm not sure what all is uh relevant and what's not. We're just trying to help our day together and they're out there doing their thing. >> She's 21. I don't mind her business. The only time I ever said anything to her was like 1:00 in the morning when I'm like I'm trying to sleep. I don't have a door, you know, and she had people over. So, >> okay. I'm sorry about that. >> You okay? Was that bad? >> No, it was >> okay. Uh, keeping in mind I'm old and we're going to I'm just going to make sure I got this all straight in my head. You guys saw Michelle at the house on Mr. about 12:45. >> You got a call about a ride now. >> Yeah, I was supposed to pick up my friend and she called to say I didn't have to cuz her husband was coming to get her. >> So, I was looking at the time and Michelle said she was going to have people over and I'm like, "Yeah, okay. Well, I'll make myself scarce because I try to do that when she has people over. They're loud." >> Okay. And so, you left shortly after that. Okay. And where did you go? I went to the park and then I went to Barberton to see a friend. >> Which uh park in Sto? >> Yes. >> Which one? >> Um what's it called? You're driving towards Monroe Falls and it's right before the bridge on the railroad track. >> Is that Brust or something like that? >> Yeah. Starts with a B. There's a farmers market there. >> Okay. >> Cuz it was kind of nice. >> You went to Bruss >> and I'm fat. >> You went to Bruss Park. >> Yes. >> And who did you go see in Barbados? >> Um his name is Kiss. Kiss. >> It was only for a minute. >> And >> I don't know the exact address, but it's on Waterl. >> His name is is the nickname is Kiss. >> Yeah. He's a rapper. >> He's a rapper. >> You don't appear to be somebody in the rap. You rap music? >> He was my ex-boyfriend's friend. >> Okay. How can I get a hold of him to verify your information? >> I have his phone number, but he won't call call me. Okay. I'm just a lot of people like to call. >> I was only there for a minute. >> Okay. And I'm not even saying I'm going to call him. I'm just saying if it turns out down the road we got to verify his stories. >> He's a dealer. >> Okay. >> As long as he's not dealing today or dealing in Stow right now. I got bigger fish. >> Okay. Um 330 Uhuh. >> 40099. >> 330 400 >> 9099 >> 9099. What is he dealing? >> Cocaine. Okay. Crack or powder? >> Crack. >> Okay. >> Did you go there to use his yesterday? >> Yes. >> Okay. That's what I was pretty much going to the park and stuff for >> about what time did you you meet up with him? >> I went to the park and I did exercise. >> Walked on the trail. >> Then I got to thinking >> maybe about 1:30. >> Okay. And where'd you go after that? >> No, I had to have been late. 1:30 to 2:00 used to get there. >> All right. >> Um I went to various parking lots >> and used. >> Yes. Okay. I didn't want to sit too long. >> All right. And and when you came home, where was Michelle? >> I didn't see her. >> She wasn't home? >> No. >> And what time did you get home? >> Um well, I had to go to the emergency room. >> Okay. >> Because I used an aluminum can. >> Yeah. >> And sometimes you cut it open to get >> Sure. >> And I cut myself on that can. What hospital did you go to? >> The one Hudson Akan General. >> Oh, right here in Stow. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, Stow ER. What time do you think you were there? >> Until 4 something. >> You got there at 4:00? >> No. No, it was like 2:30. >> About 2:30? >> Yeah. It was after 4:00 and then I drove through Burger King to give them my note for not working yesterday >> because the injury. >> Okay. All right. Did you hurt Michelle? >> No. >> Okay. That's that's standard police. Check it off the list because it makes my job a whole lot easier. >> Now, she's my son's cousin. >> Okay. >> I've known her for over 20 years. >> Honestly, I don't think she did, but it sure saves me a lot of time. If I ask and you say yes, then I don't have to go out to a whole bunch of >> Do you know who hurt Michelle? >> No, I don't know any of her people. I know Well, I know she dates some cops, but I don't think >> Yeah. I' I've got cops out at the scene and they want to look around the house. >> Okay. Um, the options are we get permission from the residents or we get a search warrant. It saves us a lot of time and it's a lot easier if we've get permission. Go ahead. >> Do we have your cons? >> Oh, absolutely. >> Okay. We're going to have you look at a form here and it's just um it's just a statement saying you give the police permission to go inside the house. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Do you need the key? >> Uh, I don't know. I'll I'll call. If I do, I'll I'll get it from you and run it up. >> Okay. cuz I'd rather her I mean her mom's going to be under enough pressure >> and I'd rather her not come to a broken door. >> No, they're not going to kick the door anymore. >> No, if it's if it's uh if it's locked, we'll unlock it. We're not going to kick doors in. >> And I watch enough shows. >> Sorry. I know you get that a lot >> where I understand why you have to ask Yeah. >> certain questions. >> Yeah. >> But I work at home and I watch I I get bored at my job. So, I have one computer where I watch Netflix >> and because I kind of have ADD a little, >> so it helps me focus, believe it or not. It's weird that way. >> No, I've heard that before. >> Okay. >> I've heard that. >> Now, which part of the room do you just have one room that's exclusively yours? >> Downstairs. Yes. >> And is it a basement? >> No, it's a a townhouse. I guess you could say it's an above ground basement, but it's more like the first floor and the living quarters are upstairs. >> Okay. of their room. >> But your your room is in the first floor. >> Yes. As soon as you walk in the door, >> it's to the left. >> Okay. >> And I use that and I just go upstairs to eat and shower. >> Okay. Do you have any idea who would want to hurt your roommate? >> No. >> Does she said does she hang around some undesirable people? Has she been in an argument with anybody? >> I've only met one boyfriend. I don't even know what his name is, but she says he's she's seeing him now. >> You say she dates cops. Is that what you say? That's what she says. >> But you've never seen it? >> No. >> Was it this guy? >> No. >> Okay. >> Uh, wait, wait. I mentioned his name to you before I asked if you knew him. Brad. >> Brad, >> maybe. She said, >> "Okay." >> That's what she said. >> Okay. Okay. >> But she's 21. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Reference before me to talking about this kidney. It's been a long time to look at one of these. Basically, I just print your name here. Then you've been informed by Sergeant Breznik here and myself, Officer Rey. Read, as you go along, print your name here. Write the address out here. >> Sorry, my fingers aren't. >> That's the trouble. >> S. Write your address on this this line here and then signature. When are we going to find out if she's okay? >> Well, I'm going to I'm going to make a phone call, but we have to go first. Go inside the house. >> All right. >> Why inside the house? >> You know, I'm I'm here and they're out there. I don't I'm going to call and I'm going to talk to the officer out at the scene and I'll have some more answers as if you just give me one moment. >> Sure. Can I call my number? >> Uh, just hold on for one minute here. We get everything sorted out. >> Like being alone in stressful situations. >> That's understandable. for fun. >> Am I going to have to write stuff out >> cuz I'd rather type it. >> Yeah, possibly. I just brought them in just in case. >> You've seen my handwriting. >> That's all right. I understand it's a lot easier to type than his writing. >> I worked for doctor's offices for years. >> All right. >> So, my handwriting went right out the window. >> Okay. Her mom was getting worried. She said >> I haven't seen her mom. Okay. >> Where's Where's mom at now? Do you know? >> West Virginia. >> Okay. >> But I don't know her phone number off hand. It's in my address book on my dresser. >> Okay. Is she just visiting down there or is she living down there? >> She's visiting down there for the weekend. Somebody's birthday. >> All right. >> She brought a lot of presents. She Facebook that she arrived yesterday. So, >> I got some family down there, too, but I'm not real familiar with the area. The only thing I've been on her for is driving through on the >> calling her mom. >> They they might be healing. I'm not sure. We'll we'll try to find out for you. >> Okay. >> If you need the number, my address book is on the dresser or by my computer. I called my son today, so it's probably on my computer. >> Okay. >> It's under J. >> Like I said, when you left for work earlier, she wasn't there. You said about 5:30. >> You left, I assume. Yeah. >> Oh, and then I came home. I left work at quarter till because I needed some videos for it. But when I got there, and you can ask my bosses. >> Yeah. The time count. >> Okay. Yeah. Around 5:45, I said I forgot something. I'll be right back. I'm not going to be late. So, I rushed home and then I didn't see it right away because my room is a disaster area. Um, so then I'm like, I don't have time to look for this because I already lost work. >> Okay. >> So, then I came back and I clocked in at 5:59. >> All right. What what time was there then? >> What time you think of approximately you got home? >> Um I left at 5:45. It's about a 6 minute drive. So >> like 550 just right around in there. Give or take a couple minutes. >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it took me a second to look around cuz I just throw things pillow. >> I don't believe I forgot about that when he asked. Yeah. Yeah. >> How long you think he's there? Just couple minutes. >> Just like a minute. I mean, I like ran in. I looked, but I'm like, crap. And then I grabbed my cigarettes, which I also forgot. >> Okay. >> I didn't know which was more important, but those are what I saw first. >> But I never started. >> I quit for 4 days. >> And then it was like the middle of the night and Michelle and I were talking. >> Okay. >> Like Thursday night, Friday morning, I guess you could say. And she goes, "Well, I'll go in half. Buy a pack of cigarettes." I'm like, "Okay." >> All right. Yeah. I'm glad they're start one for health reasons and two for the cost and things. Every time I >> 30 years >> happened to look at one wine, you see the price going up and up. It looks like >> 30 years. They were 99 cents when I started. >> Yeah. My parents switched the EIG. They liked them a lot. >> My nephew said for me to try that. He's only 17. He doesn't even smoke. >> He says that's what he's going to get me for my birthday. I said, "You're not old enough. I think you have to be 18." >> Yeah. Imagine they said some kind of nicotine juice or something to put in there. I'm not real familiar with this. >> Snoopy. My people at my You were looking at him. I'm like, "Yes, that's Snoopy." >> It's okay. Does it job? >> You know what kind of car she drives up here? I'm not sure. >> Michelle doesn't drive. >> They might have. >> She doesn't have a car. >> Okay. >> She borrows mine sometimes and she borrows her mom's all the time. >> What kind of car does mom have? >> A blue cobalt. >> Okay. I'm not sure if they had the information or not. >> A blue cobalt with heavy tinted windows that she was warned about, >> but she likes it. She said, "Forget it." She's not having >> Sorry, I told you about the ADD, right? >> I see your cards. My fault has your own vehicle. Yeah, >> I got that and that's what they gave me because I have bad credit and had to go through a place and the everybody goes, "What kind of car did you get?" I said, "Inescript." That's the first word that comes to mind. Indescript. >> I get you from point A to point B. >> My friends got one at the same place. I had the accent very sharp, but they needed a jump over the winter. I didn't. >> Yeah. >> Which hospital she at? >> I'm not sure. Will they be here? >> Yeah, they'll probably I don't see why they wouldn't. I'm not sure what kind of things they had to procedure they had to go through first. >> My family, not legally. My son is, but I'm not. >> Yeah. I just spoke to the supervisor out there at the at the baby part. >> Will they let me see her at hospital? >> No. Um, >> no. Michelle's dead now. They found her in a shed back there. Okay. We need to establish again your activity. Uh not because I think you did this. This is just standard operating procedure. Okay. Before I go any further, Roxan, did you hurt Michelle? >> No. >> Okay. Do you know who did hurt Michelle? >> No. >> Do you know how she became hurt? >> No. I haven't seen her since yesterday. >> Okay. Does Does Michelle drive a car? >> No, >> she doesn't have a car, bro. Does she use her mom's car or anything like that? >> But her mom's in West Virginia with the car. >> Okay. >> Okay. That's one of the things they asked me to ask you. >> 1935. >> Her mom's going to be devastated. >> 711 708. Correction 707 mom's car that blew cobalt with 10 windows. I was there all day when I'm not sure the first I I've heard about it. >> Okay. Uh Michelle does not drive a car. She only drives her mom's car and mom's in West Virginia. So yeah, mom's in West Virginia. She does not have a car of her own. She doesn't drive a police car. >> All right. Roxan, >> what time did you get home from the ER? A little after 5. >> Little after 5 >> because I got out a little after 4:00 and I went through the Burger King drive-thru to give them my note. >> A note for not showing up to work. Okay. Little bit after 5 uh is when she got home and and nobody was home. And were you home the rest of the evening? Okay. All right. >> All right, sir. All right, sir. All right. Bye. >> We need to call her mom. Well, actually her mom's the one who who initiated the call to us because she was worried that she didn't come home. So, she called us. So, we went out to the park and Michelle >> Yeah, we talked earlier, me and her mom. >> So, Michelle's mom called us. We went out to the house and that's where we found Michelle. All right. So, and and this is another standard police question that we ask everybody. Is there anything that you told me that isn't true? Because right now it's really important. >> I really told you the truth about the drugs. >> I understand and I and I appreciate it, Roxan. And but it's real important now. Everything has to be 100% truth. Okay? Because if you don't tell truth, that makes you look bad. You understand? I mean, you watch the shows. >> You understand where I'm going with this? We don't watch >> shows aren't real. >> No, the shows aren't real, but there are some some things that are true about them. It's real important that only we only get the truth here. Okay. Is there anything that you told me earlier that isn't true? >> No. >> Okay. All right. We're going to have you write a statement and I I want from noon yesterday on. Okay. You were at your house. Where is it? 4410 Maple Park. You were uh who was home and who was there in the home with you? Um I'm paraphrasing. Only you can tell your statement, but from what you're telling me, you got a phone call about 12:45. Who was that phone call from? Did they call on their cell? Did they call your cell? Did you know just as many details? You can't have too many details. >> Then what happened? Okay. From what you're telling me is uh the person was supposed to get a ride from you, but they didn't need a ride. >> So you said you said you wanted to go to the park. If you went to Bruss Park there off 911 in Monroe Falls, did some exercising. >> If you went in the woods, fine. If you went on the trails, fine. Wherever you went, you're exercising. Okay. >> Then after you were done exercising, you told me you went to Barb and to see Kiss. Okay. Um there's there isn't anything we can do. >> I was also there that morning. >> Did you want the morning? >> Sure. You say you were wearing >> I went to Kiss's house in the morning, too. >> Okay. And then Okay. Okay. So, start back. Uh, about what time did you go down to apartment? >> Which time? >> How many times did you go? >> Went three yesterday. What times did you go? >> Around 1:00 in the morning. Around. >> Standby. >> 8 in the morning. >> Stand by. >> You went 1:30 in the morning. Then what? >> 1 in the morning. 8 in the morning. around 1:30 >> 1 in the morning. >> I'm guesstimating the times cuz I >> I understand >> just around that time cuz I know I went and got the pack of cigarettes from Michelle and I pitched in on a pack of cigarettes. >> Was Michelle using two or just you? >> No, just me. >> Excuse me. Okay. >> 1:00 a.m. >> Around 1:00 a.m. >> around 8ish in the morning >> and then around 1 in the afternoon. Was that today or is that yesterday? >> Oh, everything was yesterday. >> Okay. 14th, right? Yes. >> Where in Bourbon Rley? >> You get off the um 77 exit water and then go down about six miles and it comes into two lanes. There's a flashing light past the cemetery and then before you hit the next light, there is a twostory apartment complex. >> Okay. Is it past the Ryder Dairy building or is it before the Ryder Dary? >> Pay attention. All I know is that there's a flashing light on water as you're going towards >> Worster and and right before the light there's a twostory apartment building. >> Okay. >> All right. Um I'm trying to get my head back around where where we left off. Okay. You said you went to see Kiss three times yesterday. >> Yeah. >> Uh after the 4:00ish, 3:00ish. When did you see him? >> No, I saw him around 1 p.m. after I got the cigarettes from Michelle. >> Yeah. >> And me, we split them. >> Um, so I I just got paid. That's why >> I understand. >> So I went there then and then >> after your exercise in the morning and then around 1:30 >> and then 1:30. Yeah. Well, it had to have been after 1:30. No, not really because I didn't exercise that much. >> Okay. >> So, yeah, it was about 1:30. >> Well, where did you use it after the 8 a.m. visit >> at the house? >> At your house on Maple Park. Okay. And where did you use after the 1:30 visit? >> Well, she said she was having company, so I went to various parking lots. I went to the back of my old parking lot at 1555. And then next door because they have the it's pretty secluded back in 1555 >> Mac Drive. I'm sorry. Okay. And then next door to that is pretty secluded. So I'm here. >> Okay. >> But you didn't go back home after the one. >> No, cuz I hit I sliced my fingers. >> Where did you slice your finger at? >> At the parking lot drive. >> That's where you cut yourself. >> Okay. Did you cut yourself at home at all? No. >> Although the dog pulled one of the stitch this morning. Which in what room? >> When I w the front room when I was taking her for a walk. >> Describe to me where the front >> The front door. >> Okay. The room right outside the front door. >> Well, it was at the front door. >> At the front door. >> Yes. At the front door. >> Okay. >> Cuz I'm trying to hold her and open the door. And >> what time did that happen? >> Oh gosh. When did I lose her? >> It was around 7 this morning. >> 7. >> Well, you could check the log for the exact time. It was around 6:30. >> What log? the police log because I lost her when we were walking and she ran away and I couldn't chase her because I'm fat. >> So, you called the police. >> So, I called the non-emergency and I said, "Who do I call is a Rottweiler? I don't want people to get scared." >> Sure. >> It was around 7 this morning. >> Yeah. You can get the exact time from >> Uhhuh. >> maybe 6:30ish. She She kept waking me up barking. >> Okay. So there was some blood around the front door. >> Yes. >> Which hand did you cut? >> This one. >> Your right hand. >> Mhm. >> And that's your all four fingers. >> Well, a little. >> Which ones that you have? >> These needed stitches. >> Okay. So, you're ringing your pinky. >> Yes. >> Ring and pinky on left hand. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I was trying to scrape and it bounces back because it's like that and that's >> what bounces back. >> The can. You flatten it out to scrape it >> and then if you accidentally let it go, it bounces back >> and I try to put it down like that and that's when it got me. That >> caught you. >> Yes. All right. >> All right. So, you said there were three times. You said 8:00 a.m. What was the next time? >> It was 1:00 in the morningish, right after I got paid. And then around 8ish, and then around 1:30ish. >> And the 1:30 was the last time you went and saw it? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, I was out of money then. >> How much uh how much did you get each time? >> About 40, 40, 40, and then 80. >> 40, 40, and 80. >> Yes. >> Is that normal for you? >> No, usually it's more. Sometimes it's more. I quit for a while, but he calls and hounds me because my ex-boyfriend was a big addict. And so >> it's not like an everyday thing. It's like a payday maybe thing. >> So when you say 40 and 40 and 80, is that >> a standard number of rocks or ounces or grains? >> Dollars. He just gives me what he says. >> So how much crack is $80 worth? About that big. >> Yeah. Is it just one rock or is it multip? >> Yeah. And I cut it with my fingernail. >> Yeah. >> And And when you go and get this, is it always at the same place at Kiss's house? >> He goes around a lot. >> So you get a hold of him through a cell >> and he tells where to meet. >> Sometimes he'll deliver, but he broke his leg. Okay. >> Did you uh did you go with anybody to see Kiss any of these times? >> Never. So it's always by yourself. >> And did you use with anybody? You just used all three times yesterday. >> It's a personal thing to me. >> Okay. >> My my point being is there any witnesses that can verify your actions yesterday? >> Besides, no. >> Okay. And what time did you go to the Burger King yesterday? Could tell >> after I left. Right after I left the emergency. >> So that was 2ish. 3ish. >> No, it was after 4. >> It was after 4. And then you went home right after that. >> Yes, I did. And did you stay home the rest of the night? >> Mhm. Okay. >> All right. Let's start working on the statement. Um I don't know if you >> So now you want me to start at 8, even though the last time I saw her was around 12:45. >> Yeah. Let's just do the whole day. >> One. >> Yeah. Because you've got an important story. You You've got some addiction problems you're dealing with, and that's an excuse why you weren't at the house for an extended period of time. Again, Roxan, it's got to be the truth. Okay. Um if you start telling half truths that equals a lie. Okay. All right. So it's real important. This is a serious matter that only the truth. Now something happened here that you know about now is the time to get in front of it. In fact, this is the only time you're going to be given the opportunity to get in front of it. If you know something that happened to Michelle, this is the time to do it because it's when I've given your opportunity to come clean. If there is something to be told, if I give you the opportunity to come clean and you refuse it, that looks bad on you down the road. You understand? >> I'm not sure if I'm I'm articulating clear. >> If a mistake happened, okay, if you know something that happened that you're trying to cover up, it's bad idea. If it's a bad idea to try to cover up for somebody, it's a bad idea if you made a mistake and try to cover that up. The only thing that's going to help you now is 100% truth because the truth is never going to hurt you. >> Right. >> Okay. And when we're done with this conversation, you are going home. We are not holding you. Okay. You are not under arrest. >> I don't >> There aren't any charges. >> You need to block it off. >> Well, the the guy >> Yeah. Well, the guys out there are going to be working. I'm just What I'm saying is you're not going to be held here at the police department. There are no charges filed against you. In fact, you're free to go at any time. You're here volunteering. You understand that, right? >> Okay. And uh if you need a break from our discussions, we can get you to a bathroom, get you to a water fountain, >> get me to a cigarette. >> Yeah, we can do that. All right. >> Would you like to do that now? >> I mean, I don't mind if somebody escorts me. I I'm not going anywhere. >> You seem like a nice lady to me, Roxan. I'm not worried about you running. Okay. Do you need a cigarette right now? >> Oh, god. Yes. >> All right. Let's take Let's take you out and get you a cigarette. Okay. >> May I bring my coke? Sure. Or do you want me? >> Sure. I quit for 4 days >> and then and so did Michelle. >> This time might be tough time. >> We talked to each other about cheating. Okay. question where Sergeant Bris went to like start. Did it start from in the morning like he said? >> Should I start from the pack of cigarettes or from the time I left? >> So investigator start a statement here this morning. Nope. More minutes. No. You have any questions about what we're looking for? All we're looking for is tell me what happened. Tell me tell me what what happened to you yesterday from 8 a.m. this morning. >> Okay. From 8 a.m. or I thought you wanted me to go back further. The first time I went to Barber Town. >> Well, when you went to barberon was uh Michelle home >> first time. Yes. >> She was fine. Yes. >> Okay. >> Because I stopped I went to get the pack of cigarettes >> and I split them up in the car and she met me at the door and I gave her her part and then I left from there. >> We'll start from there. >> Okay. >> What time was that? >> That was after almost 1:00. >> Okay, we'll start then. >> Okay. >> We'll fill all these top blocks here. Just start writing. Basically, if you need more than one, I have extra ones here. The only thing I ask is don't write over top because there are carbon copies and they'll bleed through to the the ones below it. >> Okay. be as detailed as you can. No such thing as too many details. I'm going to give you your privacy so that we're not disrupting you and we'll check in on you every 5 or 10 minutes or so. All right? And whenever you need a break, you let us know. We'll get you a break. How you doing? >> Okay. Um, >> I missed a spot specific and I don't know where to write it. >> Okay, that's all right. um if you want to put a star for it and then we'll start a new paragraph with a star and we'll just say insert that It's hard for specifics. >> What do you mean? Some specifics in the morning get a you know like times >> and whatever because smoking I did I put ish and approximate >> okay >> there's not a whole lot to say I work at home I don't go anywhere I don't have many friends also for work and Amanda I wrote her phone number down >> who's >> Amanda Miller cuz that morning Friday morning before I went to kiss at that when I at 8:00 a.m. It was probably around 9:00 cuz I went to pick her up and took her to work. >> Amanda Mills. >> Okay. What she what she do there? She works there. >> Yes, she works at um Fall State. >> Okay. >> So, and I dropped her off and then drove straight down the highway from her to Barberton. So, and I picked her up around 7:30. That's why I said 8, but it takes longer than that to get her to work. >> Okay. That was that. >> You got everything in there that you can think of? >> I hope so. >> All right. >> I reread it. >> Let's get a eyes on it. So, let's have Officer Rey take a look at it. See if it makes sense to him. >> Does it surprise you that Michelle was hurt? >> Yes, it does. >> I mean, could you see this coming? Something like this? >> You never >> What type of friends does she hang out with? Does she have any >> I've never met her friends. I mean, the one boy that spent the night a couple times, I don't remember his name. >> Was this the the police officer? >> No, he wasn't. >> Um, and then there was one before him and a wife beater that she made roast for. >> How long ago was that? >> Two weeks. She was flighty. >> What do you mean? >> She changed boyfriends. >> Yeah. >> Was she in fights with him? >> I never heard any fights. No. I heard laughter >> a lot. >> So, but usually >> How did she break up with these guys? >> I have no idea. >> You didn't talk about it? >> No. >> We didn't have that kind of relationship. >> How'd you guys meet? >> She's my son's cousin. I've got pictures of them when they're babies. >> But she's not a relative of George. >> No. >> Okay. >> No. My my son's father is Diana's cousin. >> Okay. >> So, through marriage? >> Yes. So, and when they they they played together when they were babies a little bit, you know, I'd go visit her and stuff and we kept in touch on and off through my next husband and not frequently, but we'd find each other >> and then last year when she came back up from Florida after her divorce, um, she got this nice place in Stow and I was living in the hood and it wasn't a good area. It was getting worse by the minute because there was a rooming house upstairs. So she said, because she was, you know, kind of in between jobs, she said, "Why don't you be my roommate? You know, you're you're clean enough." Because she has OCD >> and so I moved in with her September last year, >> 2013. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And that was at Mac on the Mac. >> Yes. Now granted, a few weeks ago, she asked me to move out, but I was going to anyway because of the lack of privacy. And my my room is like the doggy and smoking highway because you have to go through my room to the laundry room to the garage and that's where we smoked and that's where they put the dog out. And it was all the time, constantly at that. So, it wasn't that fair of an arrangement to me because I was paying half the rent. >> Sure. >> So, I was already looking into places to move into. And I was straight with her about getting back into my problem. I mean, I'd pay her rent. Sometimes it was late. And I told her that I did it again. >> Meaning >> the the drugs thing. I I was open with her. And she says, "Well, I don't want it in my house." And I'm like, "I understand that. I do, but March was already paid for. This was, I guess, the end of February. And you know, I told my son, I said, "Well, that's a relief because I wanted to leave early anyway." And I was getting a 401k loan to do that. Okay. >> And to put a down payment on my cruise, >> you going on a cruise? >> Every other year. >> Where are you going? >> Okay. Where are you going >> this time? My son and his girlfriend. Even though they're unemployed, But he's be >> When's the last time you were out at the shed? >> I don't go to the shed. I've never been to the shed. >> Do you know what I'm talking about? >> Yes. As soon as you open the door, there's off to the right. >> So, you have never been in the >> I've never been in the backyard. >> Okay. Who goes in the shed? >> Have you ever seen anybody in the shed? You seen Michelle or her mom or? >> Well, they had to have. >> But have you ever seen them back there? >> Because she told me she put stuff out there. >> Like what? >> Diana. The um dog pen. >> Okay. >> Big dog pen. >> Okay. >> It wasn't there anymore in the garage. I'm like, "Oh, you redecorated." Like I said, she has OCD. >> So, she moves things around a lot. >> Yeah. >> And she said she put the dog pen in the shed. And I was assuming that's what she was talking. >> Who owns that property? I don't know who owns it, >> dude. So, >> Diana, >> some guy named Phil is who she pays rent to. >> Okay. >> And usually if I let the dog out, and I do occasionally. I just open the door. I don't even look, you know, I'm like go cuz I don't do dogs. >> Yeah. >> I don't particularly sure. >> So, there's no >> Yeah, that's what they do. They just open the door and >> Okay. >> So, I just open it. I'm let go. And if it barks, I let it back in. >> So, you've never been back in the shed. >> Is there anything that you can tell us to help us here to figure out what happened? >> I don't I don't ask her a lot of questions cuz it's not my business. >> What type of person is she does? She going to have a lot of >> She seems friendly. >> She got a lot of secrets like a lot of people that would do these type of things. >> Not that I'm aware of. I think she talks to her mom pretty good. >> Yeah, >> I think they have a good relationship talking. >> Who was the last guy you saw with? >> I don't know his name. >> Describe it. >> Dark hair. >> How old? >> Short cut. Mid20s, I would say. >> White guy or black guy? >> White. >> White guy. Short. Mid20s. >> Short hair. >> Short. >> Okay. Um, but I don't see them often >> because like I only go upstairs to eat and to shower. >> So, sorry. This particular time I was hungry. So, I went upstairs and they were at the dining room table eating. >> So, >> and you think this was just a date or is this a boyfriend? >> She said that they were seeing each other. >> Okay. >> What was his name? >> I have no idea. >> She didn't introduce you. >> Yes. >> Forgot. >> I just don't pay attention. >> Okay. Anything stick out about him? >> He was polite >> tattoos. >> Not that I see >> tattoos. So >> the only reason I know is who play cuz I was sitting at my desk Facebooking when he left and my desk you could see from the door. I mean it's like right there. So and he was like nice to meet you. And I'm like you do you know. >> So no arguments then. >> No. >> So is he tall, medium, short height wise? I would say about my height. So average five 5'9. I'm 5'9. >> So >> well 5'8 and a half. >> And his build is he a heavy guy, a [snorts] skinny guy. >> But he had nice backs. >> Yeah. He's a weightlifter. Or at least works out. >> Yeah, I would say. >> Yeah. >> Or has a labor job or something that does that because >> I'm I'm a PEX girl even though that kind of felt perverted because he's half my age. >> That's all right. He's an adult. >> So >> All right. So, he's he's in his mid20s. He's fairly well built. What about his waist? Does he have a small waist or a big waist? >> I didn't. He was sitting down until he was leaving and then he had a jacket on. >> But you think he's pretty fit? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I've never seen her with anybody not fit. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Cuz she likes to stay fit. So, like usually likes like >> You just see a kind of car he drives and that and that's the last boyfriend you saw with. >> Yes. What about the last person you saw her with? >> That was him. >> That was him. And how long ago was that? >> About a week and a half. Two weeks ago. >> Two weeks ago. >> I know she had more people over. Oh god. When was it? >> Was it last Thursday? >> I know. It was a work day. And they were really loud. She They came in. It was 10:30. I was off that night. So had to have been. No, I worked last Thursday, maybe last Tuesday because I was off Tuesday and Wednesday and I was off and it was 10:30 and they came in really loud >> and I didn't say nothing at first party. >> Yes. Thumping up the stairs loud. Um then she came through my room with a dog. I'm like, "Really?" And she goes, "I thought you were at work." And and that's feasible because I close. >> Yeah. And >> even though my car was right in the next driveway, I park at the abandoned spot because I don't have a spot. >> Um, and I'm like, "Okay." But then they were really loud still. And I'm like, "Hello, can I get to sleep? I don't have a door." So, I just put on Yanni to drive them out on the computer. >> Let's go back to oneish. when she got the phone call or actually you got the phone call that your person doesn't need a ride. Did you say something to the effect of people were coming over? >> Yeah. She said that people were coming. She asked me if I was working. >> Uhhuh. >> Because she was like that most of the time. >> Mhm. >> Did she say Did she say who was going to come over? >> Who do you think was coming over? >> I have no idea. >> Friends. >> I don't sounded like it. >> Okay. So, it wasn't, you know, stranger. I don't know this guy's coming over, but it would sound like somebody she knew was coming. >> Yeah. >> And >> she says, "I'm having people over. Are you working?" >> What does that normally mean when I'm I'm having people? Is that >> usually watch a movie? Usually two. I've never seen more than two. >> So, two people. >> Yeah. I've never seen more than two. >> All right. >> So, >> so I'm having people over and this was in the afternoon yesterday. >> She goes, "Are you working today? I'm going to have people over and I don't want to disturb your work cuz sometimes I have to make phone calls. >> Yeah. For the ambulance, >> right? >> Okay. >> I mean, except for that night, she usually was pretty courteous about asking. >> Except for what night? >> That night, she didn't know I wasn't working. >> Okay. >> So, they usually go to her room. >> They usually go to her room >> and what? >> I don't know. What do you think they do? >> Watch movies because I hear laughter. >> There's no wrong answers. We're all talking about adults. I don't care what they're doing. Like, what do you think's going on? >> Well, usually if there's a guy, um, you know, she's an adult. I'm I don't care. >> Right. >> So, but you know, like the time they were partying, they finally got quiet cuz they went to her room. >> When you say partying, what? Uh, any illegal drugs? >> Not that I'm aware of. I know she drinks. >> Yeah, she drinks a lot. >> What's she drink? uh Miller cuz she gave me one. >> She likes beer. >> Um she asked me if I wanted some Crown. So I'm assuming that and I've seen wine in the fridge. >> No drugs. >> Not that I've seen. >> You think she's using uh cracker or anything else? >> I doubt it. >> You would? No. >> I Yeah, that's why I said I doubt it. >> You You would see the signs. You guys ever talk about your your drug? >> Not to her know. >> Does she know you were using? >> Probably. Not that I would know, but her mom probably would have. >> You know why you say that? >> Because they talk a lot. And when her mom and I were talking in the basement or the garage, one day Michelle came in and I shut up and she goes, "Oh, are you guys talking?" And her mom's like, "It doesn't matter." So I assumed that she told her. >> Okay. I want you to think about where we should be looking, okay? Because we want to figure out what happened here. >> I wish I could say I was more, you know, that I wanted to be more involved in her life, but I just didn't care that much about what she was doing. She wasn't my daughter. >> Yeah. >> Uh she was a roommate >> that I barely even saw. >> Is there anything not covered in the statement that we cover? >> No. Okay. sign your name here. I'm going to go give a call to the the officers out into the house here and try to figure out what's going on right now. I'm assuming that they got the real dog. You're not going to get access to it for a little bit, but I'm going to find out. You want that little bit of clarification cuz you knew she was not home because the dog was barking and because of the big muddy mess in the back. What? Oh, did I put that like straight flush? Yeah. Lost spot here. Or did I put a period? >> Michelle was not home. I knew because her dog was barking a lot because >> But because of the big mess, I took her for a walk. Did I say that? >> Uh yeah, he says I'm walk. I wasn't sure if you'd refer me to >> Oh, no. Because that morning when >> Okay. >> Yeah. She let the dog out back and when the dog got back in, it was just a big ugly mess. And I don't, like I said, I don't do dogs. I'm not cleaning up after one. >> No, I shouldn't have to. was home. That's the way I was thinking. >> Okay. I think if he's referring to the dog being a mess or maybe >> because of the mess you knew she messed it up if she would have been home. >> No, the big muddy mess that if I would have let her out, I would have been yelled at if I didn't clean it up. And it's not my dog. >> Okay. Because the mess, >> right? >> This was the recent warm weather in the backyard yelling the dog out. The dog didn't get money. >> Yes. And of course, dog, the dog, do their come back and track it over the house >> and jump. >> Yeah, >> she's a jumper. >> And I mean, my my way of thinking and and it might be bad, but I I pay half the rent and I shouldn't at that point in time. I was thinking I shouldn't have to do this. >> Yeah. >> But because Diana and I are kind of friends, you know, and her daughter's my son's, they're all cousins and Okay. And I get walked on a lot, but that's okay. >> Does she work anywhere else currently? I know you said she recently got hired at 7-Eleven. >> 7-Eleven. >> Yeah, she worked at Applebee's >> local here in Stow or >> Uhhuh. the one by Walmart. >> Hudson Drive. >> Yeah. No. Is that Hudson Drive? >> Yeah. Hudson Drive by Walmart. >> Graham Road. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> I got one. >> I don't know all the streets memorized by September last year. The other one's done on can't road by the the target giant evil. >> You turned me around twice and I'm lost. That's why I was going to go to do. It's small. It's compact. It seems very friendly when I went down. >> I have never done really small town before. So I figure I'm a nomad. >> Okay. >> I move a lot even when I was not the third marriage but when I was married the other two. >> Where's you at before I said you used to live in Florida. towards before you came to Stow in this general area of Ohio >> Middlebury by market in Arlington County. >> Okay. Not in a room. >> Oh, that was a nightmare. >> Not that I mean they turned the upstairs into a rooming house where they share a bathroom. >> Okay. >> And the first guy that lived there, he was awesome. Quiet, worked, all that stuff. And then they got this guy >> that brought into mind paranoid schizophrenic. That's the first thing that comes across my mind because I worked for doctor's offices, but he would talk to people that weren't there. He would spout that he knows a famous person and they're, you know, it was just all over. And I used to joke with my friends lithium much, you know, the drug for schizophrenics. But >> going back to the work I >> How long you since you worked at Applebee? Wasn't too long. Not even two weeks ago. >> Within the last two weeks, she quit Applebee's or >> Yeah. >> Then possibly got hired by Well, >> her mom would know more about that. >> Okay. Well, I'm sure if she had like two jobs and maybe she was at one for a few hours. >> No. No. >> Yeah. I'm sure they'll I'm sure they'll start looking at what time she's left to work and things like that. Does she have any like good friends that she normally talk to? Anybody you're you're aware of? If you got any like a childhood friend that she still maintain any kind of contact with or anything? >> Do you have her phone? >> I don't hear. They they might have it. I don't have it. >> Oh, okay. Well, maybe we can get things off their phone. Yeah, I'm sure they can. I just wonder if you have any knowledge of any good friends that >> she's high growth with or anything. Apparently, the detectives are [snorts] still out there and they're taking care of their things, but one of them is coming in and she wants to talk to you. So, it's just going to be a couple minutes before she gets here. >> Okay. >> Um, you know, anytime there's an incident of this magnitude of seriousness, it's going to take some time to process that. They have to go over everything. >> Yes. >> So, You are welcome to stay warm and dry here, okay? After we're done talking to you, you can stay as long as you need to. And they'll probably let you know when they're clearing the house. It may be an extended time. >> I don't think I would like to. >> I'd rather you stay here than go down to Burger. >> I'm not going to go. Um, but I was going to call my brother. >> Got somebody local >> or Vicki the manager at Burger King. We're friendly. Although we're not allowed to be friends yet, but we're planning on it after I leave. >> They don't want you to be friends with your manager. >> No. >> Just don't want the workers get too close to each other. >> They don't. >> A management supervisor. >> We made plans once to go out to drink, but then she got nervous and cancelled because >> doesn't want to risk her job. >> Yeah. And we can't even be Facebook friends, she said. So, really? >> Yeah. >> So, I said, "Well, when I leave, we're going to have to." >> Yeah. >> So, it it's like that. And we have each other's phone numbers and that's about it. >> Anything else lined up or still looking? Oh, you said when you leave. >> Oh, when when I go to do. >> Okay. Why are you going to do >> because it looked cute? >> What? >> I move a lot. >> So, you're just going to move to the city of Dober? >> It's a town. >> Town? >> It's a small town. It's cute. They closed the main street for arts and crafts festival. >> Are you going to Do you have a job lined up? >> I can take my job anywhere in Ohio. Oh, for Burger King. >> No, >> for your ambulance. >> Yes. >> Anywhere in the state of Ohio. >> And then they said they'd probably give permission if I talked to them, like if I want to cross the border or West Virginia. >> Really? >> They hired somebody in Michigan just to see how far things go on the internet. >> Okay. >> How big of a area do they service? >> From Connecticut to Hawaii. >> Is that right? Nationwide or >> Oh, yeah. They they lost the sum contract and they had to lay off 52 people, but I wasn't one of them because I don't do a I do Connecticut. >> 50 people local here that >> in the they have an office at Canal Place. >> Okay. >> In that office alone. >> All right. So they >> they let you work out of your home. >> Yes. >> That's cool. >> Because they wanted to save overhead and they had two stories, you know, >> and they just require that you have an internet service. >> Yes. I was the pilot program because I used to work at home for another company. They figured I had the discipline. >> Okay. >> No babies, no distraction. >> Right. Right. >> And I type 16. >> You type what? >> 69 words a minute. >> You're kidding. Whoa. >> And I read faster than that. >> I have all kinds of misspellings and grammar errors by trying to get it. >> That's big time. >> I read faster than that. I read Stephen King's It in less than eight hours. >> That's big time. Well, I was married to a trucker at the time. We're on the road. So, >> did you do real long haul nationwide? >> He worked for Schneider. >> Best husband I ever had. >> How many? >> Three. >> Not for a while. I had an eight-year relationship with Mr. Crackhead that I left Goodman for. >> I stayed with him because he was my punishment. That was my dad's favorite thing. You made your bed. Stuff like that. >> Should have left him when he kicked me in the head four times. >> I should have left him when he robbed my mom when she was dying of leukemia. But I finally left him when we came back up to that. >> Yeah. One minute. >> He had an uncle drove truck. He started off just going all over the country driving people's trucks. He finally bought his own trailer, started hauling people's trash around upstate New York a lot. when he first started out he was gone for real long periods of time and how far he had to go though. >> I like that part. It was like dating in a marriage. Come home every other week. He was a trainer so we got to come home a lot. I gave him to my best friend. Well, she comforted him when I left. Burger King that you're planning on >> the 27th is my last day. >> Okay. >> And then I was going to stay my brother until from the 31st to the 4th and drive into the office. I already made plans. Um and then that paycheck along with my 401k loan. Well, the 21st pay I was going to go put a down payment. Well, the application fee and then they need a $200 apartment holding fee. a bunch of fees when you first start off somewhere. Do you know any kind of like a I guess demographics is the word they've been looking for of over like how many >> people have 12,000 people. Okay. I think we're about 36 37,000 >> I was going to say one third of stuff. >> You know how big it is like square miles. >> That part I didn't get to. >> I mean there I researched a lot online Google. Oh, I drove through it. >> Yeah. I think you were about 17 square miles. 36 37,000. >> Yes. >> You need to take this. >> No, I I can call him back later. I first started off at a little township down start county little township is actually 36 square miles. Only had a few thousand people of basically just big farmland. cow pastures and chicken farms and stuff. >> The reason I left the truck driver is because we moved way out. Four miles away from the nearest gas station, 35 miles away from the nearest store. That was just too far. >> It was so far into mining we company or country. We had to get mining insurance in case our house fell in a hole. >> I just read something in the paper. I guess that happened. I was going to say one third of >> you know how big it is like square mile that part I didn't get to >> I mean there I researched a lot online Google I drove through it >> yeah I think you were about 17 square miles 36 3700 >> you need to take this >> no I I can call him back I first started off at a little township down start county called Little Township is actually 36 square miles and only had a few thousand people of basically just big farmland cow pastures and chicken farms and stuff. >> The reason I left the church is because we moved way out four miles away from the nearest gas station 35 miles away from the nearest store. That was just too far. so far in the mining we company or country we had to get mining insurance in case our house fell in a hole. I just read something in the paper down Wsworth I guess they had vol the problems down there I guess is that a lot of those mines they were unmapped so they didn't know what they getting into so they they pump that concrete make sure everything fill them up you know so they don't no estimate how much they need because of they just dug wherever there's no kind of mapping to say okay we'll probably need this much volume. No, I left him because I'm a social creature and that was just and I worked at home there too with a child and had no so I joined a pool league and met the other guy blah blah blah like a billiard type >> fourth in the state women's division West Virginia 2001 >> against eight ball nine ball >> ball in hand ball >> yeah not the best player by any means like playing ball in I know most people don't like it. >> They like playing the crazy rules and stuff. I think makes you a better player. Not if you screw up, you're going to get penalized for you. The other guy can put the ball where he wants. If he know what he's doing, he can run out from there. >> I used to be good. Has been. I guess I haven't picked up a queue in years. At this one bar, I was the first woman to win the weekly tournament. That was an accident, but I'll take it. Yeah, 7 foot table I seen being being bar league. >> It was the regular bar tables. I don't know how long they >> Yeah, I think I think they're usually seven foot. I know the big professional ones are 9 ft. >> Yeah, not 9 ft. 7. >> I've played on those a couple times different hall and stuff. Seems like you're playing on a football field. >> My vision's not good enough for that. I got used to playing blind because I wouldn't wear glasses when I played. But then I discovered the choice of contact lenses. >> Yeah. I couldn't do contact with even thinking about putting stuff in my I've heard a lot. You >> ever play any darts or anything? >> No, I don't mean either. I did it just for fun, but I know a guy I used to work with. He was real big into the dart league. He's always spent all kinds of money on the they call the fly used to or the official name is for the fence at the end of the dart. He's always talking about all kinds of stuff like that. >> Used to be able to throw a knife pretty good, >> but now I couldn't hit the broadside bar. My brother took me shooting. That was bad. That was so bad. I should never ever ever buy a handgun. >> Take out the handgun. >> Um, the 38 I did good with, but the Beretta, it was horrifying. I don't even think I even hit the paper for some reason. I don't know why. It's a gun, but >> I feel like a 9 millimeter probably >> kick to it. The rifle I'm better with. It was a little bit easier to kind of get the set your shoulder nice a little bit more stable. >> Yeah. >> Plus they call it I think the official term side radius the distance between the two sides that you the closer it is together the harder it is to to aim accurately. >> Maybe I'm better with the rifle cuz I was good at pull because I'm you know looking down. >> Yes. Sighting down the whole length of maybe >> a lot of stuff. You have plane pool and a shooting guns. a lot of stuff diminishing skills. You don't keep up with it, you kind of lose it a little bit. Way kind of like riding a bike. You always have the basics there, but you got built to a certain level. And >> for a while, you kind of >> The back door was unlocked. >> Yesterday, the back door was unlocked. >> Is that pretty unusual? >> Oh, they're pretty safety minded. >> Okay. You say the back door uh you said Maple Park, right? >> Yes. Now, I've been I'm not sure exactly which unit is your guys. I know a lot of them are duplexes. >> Mine's on the left. >> You got garages. Your garage is right next to each other. >> Yes. >> And then there's a a room down here. Kind of a basement area, laundry room. You go upstairs to the living area. >> The back door. That's from like the little laundry room out to the backyard. >> That's from the garage to the backyard. >> From the garage to the backyard. Okay. I'm trying to think it's been a while since I've been out to one of those places. the the door from the garage to the backyard's unlocked and that's pretty unusual. >> Well, I don't hardly touch the door unless I'm doing the dog and that's about once a week. >> As far as you're aware, they're pretty uh >> consistent about being safe and trying to lock the door and everything. >> Okay. And since you don't use that door very much, would you have any idea of how long ago was that you last seen it where it was locked? Well, that morning when we were playing with the dog and smoking, maybe that was them because, you know, we were playing tugof-war with the towel and stuff. >> They're calling. She'll give you >> All right. Hi. Hi, >> Detective Ed Gaffne. Um, I just came to talk to you for a couple minutes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'm going to take off. If you guys need me, call me back and I'll I'll come right back. And this is her statement. We uh >> Okay. >> We We've looked it over, but uh we think it's pretty complete up to this point. And Roxan knows that she's not under arrest and that there are no charges filed against her. In fact, she's free to leave anytime she wants. And if she needs a break, all she have to do is say, "Hey, I need a smoke break or I need a water break or a bathroom break." All you have to do is say, "You smoke?" >> All All you have to do is say the word and you get breaks and and you are free to leave anytime you want. Is that right? >> Okay. >> Okay. This is just a conversation. Okay. What happened? >> I'm not really sure what happened yet. Still a lot of things we don't know, a lot of unanswered questions. Um, just talking to people that know her. And you live with Michelle, so trying to figure out, you know, the last time you saw her, you saw anything, heard anything, if you know anything. All she did was ask me if I was working because she was going to have people over. I work at home. And you work at home? >> Yes. From AMR. This is my second. This is my cruise money. Um I work at home for American Medical Response. >> Okay. But sometimes on Fridays I just blow it off because as long as I have 40 hours in by Saturday midnight. So she said she was going to have people over while I working. >> And that was on Friday. >> Yes. And I said, "No, go ahead." And I made myself scarce. >> And that's the last time you saw her? >> That is Friday afternoon. >> Yes. Did you talk to around 12:45 1:00? No. When I got home, probably a little after 5 after I drove through Burger King and gave them my medical reason for not being there. And the dog was barking. She wasn't home. So, I knew she was working that night, but I thought it was overnight. >> So, the dog is yours or Michelle? >> No, it's Michelle's. So, it was really kind of annoying me. >> So, the dog ran away last night? >> This morning? this morning around what time? >> Uh around 6ish when I I took it for a walk. It was just driving me crazy. I couldn't sleep. >> So I went up there, knocked on the door. She didn't say nothing, so I opened it and the dog was there still by itself. So I figured she >> 6:00 this morning. The dog's up there barking? >> Yes. >> Um did the dog get away from you last night? >> Last night, too. Yes. >> And then who had you get the dog back? >> Oh, the neighbor lady. I was about to call the police like I did this morning, but she brought it right away. So, I guess it was at her house. >> So, 6:00 a.m. this morning, >> I walked in again. >> But you went in her room? >> Yes. >> And the dog's in there, but she's not in there, >> right? >> See anything messed up, out of place? >> It was a chewed up CD. >> Yeah. >> And you you cut your hands up? How? >> Aluminum can. Let me see your hands. Yeah. Um, do you have stitches? >> Yes, I did. I smoked crack cocaine out of an aluminum can yesterday. >> And there's residue in the can. >> Then my ex-boyfriend taught me how to cut the can open and scrape it off and put it in a pile and and resmoke it and then you get a slightly bigger buzz. Okay. But when I was scraping it off, I lost my finger on it. It slid off like that and it went to catch it like that and it sliced. I told the ER. >> Okay. Well, >> honestly, stop. >> So, I was at the ER. >> Okay. Um, I was out at the scene around the house looking around. I see all kinds of footprints. Um, can I see what kind of shoes do you have on? Okay. And those. Okay. I'm going to take a picture only because I was out there. The policeman know the boots are out there and I need to know what kind of shoes are out there. So, actually, can you pop that shoe off? I'll go take a picture. See, you know, I had to look at my shoes and you know, everyone has different trends. So, >> I walked out in that car before. >> Oh, sure. there. But I have to be able to say, "Well, that's that's Roxan's. That's mine cuz I stepped there." So, it's like putting a puzzle together. So, um, give me a second. Take a picture. >> Need to use the restroom or anything? >> No, I'm fine. >> Okay. you. >> Yeah, I'll bring it back. >> So, you don't you don't walk the dog normally for her? >> No. >> Um, I saw your footprints in the front yard. Will they be anywhere else in the yard? >> In the front or the back? >> I saw him in the front yard. >> Have you been walked around backyard at all? >> Um, yesterday when Michelle and I were smoking in the garage, she let the dog out. >> I had shoes on cuz I was going to pick up my friend >> and she didn't. And the dog was hopping around and playing. So, I tried to walk the plank, but you know, I probably got in the mud trying to get her. >> Where? There's a wooden plank. >> Uhhuh. >> There's wood by the door. >> Back door. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um so I just tried to step on that and I might have went off cuz my shoe was muddy. >> Okay. Um do you pay rent to live there? >> Yes. Um do you store anything in the garage? >> No. Oh, there's a coffee table and a a planter. That's mine. Okay. Do you store anything in the shed out back? >> No. Nothing Nothing back there belongs to you. Uh any property in the backyard that might be yours? Okay. Okay. If I could, I'd like to take a picture of both shoes together and then I'll give you your shoes back. Oh, sorry. That's okay. I will be back in a second. Excuse me. >> May I please call my brother? area. Okay. I had to call my brother. >> No, no, that's fine. >> Talk to somebody. I don't >> um >> It probably sounds I not in any trouble. Okay. But um I need to I need to keep your shoes for just a little while. I'll go get you another pair of shoes um at the house. Only because we have to eliminate prints. No prints. So, I apologize. It's sort of a standard thing we do. You're not in any trouble, but I just need I need to hang on to the shoes. >> Shoes? >> I know. I'm sorry. I'm not going to keep them forever. Do you have another pair? I can go out to the house and grab for you. >> Yeah, but they're slippery. >> Well, I'm not going to keep them forever. Just a little bit. It's kind of a important thing. >> Sneakers under my dresser, but how am I supposed to go smoke now? >> Well, >> after talking to my brother, I really would like one. >> I'll tell you what. I'll have him walk you out to the sally port, which is just a big garage. It's inside and you can smoke in the garage. >> I won't tell him. >> Oh, wait till he comes back. Okay. Um and and under your dresser there's another pair of shoes. >> Yeah. You'll see they're sticking out. Where's your bedroom in the in the >> Mine is the downstairs. >> Okay. All right. Give me a second. >> That mess is mine. >> Okay. I'll um have First level. You might call the cigarette, right? I appreciate her. Oh. Oh, there's a water. I'll just drink. >> What's that? I think so. >> Yeah, she she told me to go back out for >> a little bit. >> Okay, can wine. I'm not sure how old they are. No. >> Times like this, I wish I owned a cell phone. >> Yeah, >> I'm the last dinosaur. Um, my brother goes to bed early. What? What? When do you think you can get my shoes? >> Brother goes to bed early. 1934 burn. >> Oh, very good. Only thing I have to do now that I would like to do um I know you cut your hands your blood. I was out at the house and I saw blood all over the front door. Blood drops on the ground. I need to >> by the front door. already told them. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yes, you did. No secrets. Um I need to make sure that that blood is your blood and not anyone else's blood. And the only way I can do that, we sample it up at the scene >> and then we take a mouth swab from you and we just make sure that that is your blood. >> Should I have a lawyer? >> Um >> sorry, TV shows. >> Um I am only asking for consent. >> Okay. >> I can't force you to do it. Um, I just want to make sure >> Well, I know that that is so, >> right? >> Okay. If I if I really wanted to push the issue, which I don't think I would have to, I could get a search warrant from a judge, but all I want is consent to show that that blood there, any DNA there is yours. I need to know the difference between Michelle's and yours and Dian's. >> Okay. >> So, um, it won't hurt at all. Um, I just want to take a it looks like a uh like a Q-tip and I just want to rub it on the inside of your cheek. Would that be okay if we do it? So, I have to consent to just do a mouth swab on you. >> Okay, very good. Like I said, it's completely painless. I've done this many times. I was going to do two, one on each side. That's it. dentures or anything? No. Okay. Does that make a difference? >> I just want to make sure I don't hurt you at all. >> I was just curious. That's why >> I'm curious. Not sure. >> Okay. I'm just going to take this is sterile and I'm going to rub it on the inside of your cheek. I'm going to go back to the house. I'm going to get you tennis shoes. You can get going. Okay. Officer Ready. Officer, I'm going to go get some uh tape so I can seal this right in front of you. Wonder right Do you have any idea who would want to hurt Michelle? >> I don't pay that much attention to her life. >> I've been known for not being too nosy. Curious. Yes. nosy. I don't ask questions about personal business. >> They kind of don't feel the same, but that's okay. A lot of people don't. A lot of people are busy by nature. >> I just want to show you that. Do you have your driver's license on you? >> No. Okay. >> Please don't give me a ticket for that. I was in a hurry. No, not for the lack of seat belt. They make me claustro. He saw me drive. Sorry. That's very rare. >> We flipped. >> Yeah. >> And I was able to throw myself down to the floorboard and the whole thing was I would have died. >> It does happen nine times out of 10. Probably better than that. Seat belt will save you. But it it does happen other way around. How long will that take to clear me? By the way, I don't know about today's technology. [laughter] >> And it will clear me. >> Oh, weeks. Weeks. Um, >> that's a long time. >> Oh, you're g. Sorry. >> Your given name is Rexan. That's your real name. Yes. >> Spell it for me. >> R O X A N E. Middle initial >> L. >> Last name. >> Buck like the deer. >> B U C K. >> Yes. >> The way you're dressed, I keep forgetting. You're an officer. I'm sorry. >> Um, I usually don't wear a uniform, so I apologize. I'm >> usually don't with my other jobs out. >> Okay. >> Pajamas. >> The date? >> 3:15 2014. Your brother's going to come here and get you. >> Drive to your car. >> Okay. Um Okay. It's only what quarter mile. Okay, I'll go get the shoes. >> Okay. I asked him to come down, but he's only got the one child with him now. The other three are spending the night somehow. So, he doesn't want to bring her. This is page one. Page two. >> You need me to number him? >> Just initial here and circle. So, we know that's page one. >> Do I have a page one? >> You You don't have to. Just I just need your initials to circle that. >> Okay. Oh, forgot the L. That's okay. And then if you could print your name, >> okay, >> above or below one of my signatures. >> I used to work for doctors and they had to write prescriptions and stuff. So almost have a doctor signature. >> That's why wasn't quite legal what he asked me to do, but that was Florida. Um, I'll go get the shoes. Take this. That's usually where I kick them off. There's a white dresser right next to the entertainment center, and they're usually right under the white dresser. Okay. Kind of out of the way. So, because my room's a super highway. Okay. All right. >> I'm assuming you guys all need to know where I'll be staying and stuff. >> He'll get that from you. Um, where you're going to be staying, who your brother, all his information, and you have a cell phone? >> I do not. I'm the last dinosaur. >> Really? >> I don't like them. >> I never left out there working here. >> Um, does your brother have a phone though, too? What's What's going to be the best way to get a hold of you? just drive over there. >> No, his cell phone. >> Okay. He's going to sit down with you and give all that information. Okay. So, I'm sure you'll have more questions. >> Okay. Okay. Oh, I have another question. Since I work at home, how long does it usually take to clear a house? I don't know how to word that to make it so you can go back in. Um because my work is there, right? Right. Right now, I can't I can't tell you for sure. >> Okay. >> Um it may be just tonight. It may be a few days. I don't know. >> Okay. I just needed to know if I needed to make arrangements to go to the office or >> I'll get you. >> Oh, actually, I need clothes for the office. I don't know what to I can't lose my I only have 4 hours of PT left. I sold it. >> We'll figure something He'll get your information. I'll give you my business card. We'll figure something out. >> Okay. >> We don't want you to have any >> This is the best job I ever had. We'll figure something out here. Okay. All right. >> What's brother's name? >> My brother's name is Raymond. R A Y M O N D >> Stone S T O N E >> A. >> You have birthday >> 102370. >> 1934 Renoir. >> Yes. B Y R. Oh, you should know that. Scottish. >> You have a home phone there? >> Yes. 330 689 0412. >> 330. This one's more difficult. 603 7917. Sorry, I was picturing the phone. Anywhere else I got to stay beside his place. >> Then I don't have any place else. >> All right. >> Hopefully you can get your stuff and get you get you out here for the night. Thank you. Let's see if I can find you some uh flip-flops or something back within our jail. So, we got some >> Oh, the jail flops. Sorry. [laughter] >> Best I can do. All right. Any water? >> No, he he's asked. Thank you. >> Okay. >> I'm a size nine. No shoes available. This is my card. On here, I wrote the detective's name that spoke to the woman. That's the number that rings right to her desk. >> Okay. >> All right. I'll be right back. I know. >> How you doing, Rox? I'm Detective Sergeant Dun. This is Detective Swans. >> My shoes. >> Not yet. Your The shoes that we took from you, we're going to keep. >> Yeah, she said that. But she said she was going to pick up a pair of sneakers, >> right? You can't get into the house yet. Okay. We have ECI coming in to uh go over the whole house and everything like that and stuff like that. But we want to talk to you and try to get some timelines and stuff down here on this. But before we do that, we want to raise your rights, okay? So, you know, we're not allowing your rights or doing anything that uh you don't want us to do. Okay? You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You can have uh you have the right to talk with an attorney and have your attorney present while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire an attorney, one will be appointed before any questioning and you can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. You understand that? I just need your signature right there. Okay. Um, when was the last time that you saw Michelle alive? >> Around 12:45 yesterday. >> And that was Thursday. >> Friday. >> 12:45 Friday. >> Yes. >> And >> I know the approximate time because I was supposed to pick my friend up from work >> and she called between 12:30 and 12:45 to say she didn't need a ride. >> Okay. And what was Michelle doing? What were you doing? We took the dog out and we were smoking in the garage and she asked me if I was going to be working cuz I work at home cuz she said she was having people over. >> Okay. >> And she didn't want to disturb me cuz I make calls and stuff. >> Okay. >> And I said at Fridays I usually blow off cuz as long as I do 40 hours before Saturday night I can, you know, work whenever I want. So I told her no. And I said I was going to make myself scarce for a few hours and do whatever cuz they're loud. when she has people over there pretty quick. >> Who does she have over? >> I don't know her friends. I stay downstairs unless I'm cooking or showering. >> Okay. Um, >> do you work somewhere else besides Burger King? >> Yeah, American Medical Response. >> Okay. What do you do for them? >> Billing and Coding. >> And do you do that from home or Okay. They piloted that program a few years ago. >> You have a computer and everything. >> Two >> two >> personal and work and sometimes I watch some shows while I'm working because I kind of have ADD and having something going on helps me focus. It's weird. >> Okay. >> So, you saw her at 12:45? >> Yes. Uh, and when did you leave? >> That was I left about I had my shoes on and I was ready to go. >> Okay. Where did you go? >> I went to the park by Monroe Falls. Um, starts with a B. >> Oh, Rust. >> Yes. >> The one down by the river. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And I couldn't walk much because it was wet. Um, >> did you walk on the bike bike bike trail or >> there's the parking lot where they have the farmers market? and I walked down to the water and that was too wet and soggy. So then I walked the parking lot cuz I was antsy cuz I was um coming down off of a little buzz. >> Okay. >> So I decided to go and get some more anyway since I had time. >> When was that? That was >> It wasn't too long after I got there. So probably around 1:30. >> About 1:30. You went and got some more? >> Yes. >> Crack. >> Barber. Yes. Okay. Is that the same place you got at before? Yes. You always get from the same place. >> He's the only one I know. He was my ex-boyfriend's fella. >> So, you went to barber about 30 minutes. >> All right. How long did that take? >> Um, to get to Barton to his house, it takes about 20 minutes and then 20 minutes to drive back to Sto. didn't want to go to the house cuz she said she was having people over. >> So I went to various apartments, parking lots and stuff. Hopped around so it wouldn't look suspicious with >> So you came back to Stow after you bought the crack. Had you already used it or were you getting ready? >> I was getting ready to >> Okay. >> And where did you use it at? Um, I lived on 1555 Mac Drive and there was an apartment complex next to it that's pretty secludedish. Doesn't have a whole lot of traffic and the apartments are spaced apart. Um, when I was there, I did see one guy and that's when I pulled out of there. Um, I don't know who he was probably. So, you can ask him. >> A police officer? >> No. Um, a resident. >> Oh, okay. You don't know who it was or? >> No, I've never seen him. I'm assuming you lived in that first set because that's where I was. >> Okay. Um, so >> you left there or did you go after that? >> I cut open the can because you could scrape My ex-boyfriend told me you can scrape the resin out and that's where I cut my fingers and then I went to the emergency room. >> Okay. So, you This is before you used the crack? know it was after. >> Okay. >> Couldn't because I was cutting the can to get the used residue and I had another can ready to smoke it. And that's when I cut my fingers and I arrived at the emergency room [sighs] probably around 2ish 2:30ish time, you know, exact times. I can just give you estimates, >> but you can probably ask them. Um Akan General >> Stow Hudson Stow by Hudson Road and >> Okay. Allen Road by Steakhouse. >> Um out by Sheets and you turn right. >> Okay. a general there and I was there until after 4 and then I went through the drive-thru of Burger King to give them my notice of can't work and then I went home. >> That was >> so probably around 5:00 when I got home >> on Friday, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you didn't work Friday night? >> No, I'm not a Burger King. So, you went through the drive-thru about >> that was after I left the emergency room. >> So, it was close to 5, I suppose. >> Okay. >> And then after there, you went >> I went home. >> went home. So, what time did you get home? >> It was after 5 about 5:30 give or take. >> Yeah. And was uh Michelle there? No. >> Was anybody there? >> A dog. >> Just a dog. Where was the dog at? >> In her room. >> Is that where the dog normally stayed? >> Yes. >> From Michelle's room. >> Yes. >> I know it was in her room because after a 2-hour nap, it kept picking me up. So, >> okay. So, Friday night at 5 o'clock, you are home. The dog's here. Nobody else is there. >> No. >> Okay. And she left this thing full of dishes and I washed all them. >> If it helps, there was two of everything. They should be in the dish. >> So, she had left two dishes. >> Two plates, two plates. Okay. And you put him in the dishwasher or >> No, I washed them myself. >> Fingers and all. >> What did you do after that? >> I took a nap and the dog started barking. >> So, I'm not I know it sounds mean, but I'm not responsible for that dog. I don't do dogs. I'm I'm a cat person, >> right? >> So, I didn't want to let her out the back because it was a muddy mess that morning when Michelle and I took her out. It took forever to wash that day. I didn't feel like doing that. So, I just I had my pajamas on. I just threw my coat on. I went to take her for a walk. >> What time? >> I don't know. I took a nap and it was I was exhausted. So, it was last. You can ask the neighbor. She'll know a time because the dog got loose from me and she returned it. >> This was Friday night. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, Friday night the dog got loose. >> Yes. >> Is that when you she ripped the stitches out? >> No, that was this morning. >> And it wasn't ripped out. It just pulled it enough to bleed and I was a because I work for doctor's offices and stuff, I knew that it wasn't pulled or anything. So, >> So, Friday night you took the dog for a walk? >> Yes. And Saturday, this morning. And then you came back Friday night after walking the dog and >> went to sleep. I went to bed because by that time I was up for a while doing and I was exhausted and then the dog kept barking most of the night and I would just holler and then one time I opened the door and put the gate so she could look out and that didn't work. She kept barking so I didn't sleep much. >> Is it unusual for Michelle not to come home in the afternoon? in the afternoon. I don't She started a new job. She was supposed to work that night. So, I don't know if I missed her or what because when I'm sleeping, that's it. >> Um and I'm used to the door opening and closing. I just I block it out. >> Um because I don't have any privacy in that room, >> right? >> Um so I figured maybe she came home, got ready, went to work. I I didn't know her. She took clothes and went to her friends. She doesn't usually she has people over most of the time, but I mean I've seen her spend the night at her, you know, pack a bag and go. I don't have my computer. She doesn't wear my bag or whatever. >> Uh Saturday morning this morning. >> Yeah. The dog woke me up again. It was around 6ish, 6:30ish. >> And Yeah. And that's when I let a little in. She got loose again cuz it's a I don't know if you've seen the dog, >> but it's a Rottweiler. And I'm not a strong person. >> So this time I called the police line cuz I didn't know what to do. I I waited to see if the neighbor was home and you know found a way like it did last time. So I waited about 10 minutes and then I called because it's a Rottweiler. I didn't know if it was on the dangerous dog list still or not. Um, and I said she got loose. And >> you called them loose. So, >> yes. The non-emergency line >> and they, you know, and I asked her what I should do and she says, "There's not much you can do, but I'll take a description of the dog." And I guess it was about 20, 25 minutes later, she called and said, "I was at the neighbors and got her." >> Okay. Is that when you're you tore your stitches? >> That was this morning on my way too, but it wasn't torn open. Just enough to bleed a little. But that happened at 6:30. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So that's when your your hand started bleeding >> a little bit. It wasn't that much. >> I mean, was it dripping blood or? >> Not that much. No. >> No. So there shouldn't have been any. >> Maybe a a few. I mean, I noticed it was on my hands. I'm like, damn. >> Okay. >> But and there was some on the glass and I washed that. I thought that's all that >> on the >> on the door glass. Front door. >> Yeah. And I washed that off. I thought that was about it because my roommate has OCD and I try to clean up. She's very particular. >> And while your hand was bleeding, where else did you go? >> That's it. >> Did you or what did you do? >> Nope. I was in the middle of walking the dog. So you you >> I only went >> dog got loose. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> When the dog got loose. >> I only got to the end of the driveway and turned right and she got loose and I'm like, "Forget it." So I went inside and that's when I just, you know, did the towel thing and a bandage afterwards and called the police. That's why I said, "Put a towel on your Paper towel. Yeah. >> Paper towel. Okay. And called the police. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And then what'd you do after that? >> I laid back down. This is not my dog. I wasn't. >> Did you go back outside? You go in the garage? You go into the laundry room? Did you go >> I was in the garage off and on all day to smoke cuz that's where we smoked. Okay. I probably had a cigarette. More than likely, if I was frustrated, I had a cigarette. >> Well, was your hand still bleeding pretty bad at it? >> No, it wasn't. >> It wasn't bleeding that that bad at all. Or I would have went back. >> Okay. >> Because I worked for doctors long enough to know. >> Okay. So, after uh you're at home, you laid back down, maybe smoked in the garage. police department calls and tells you where the dog is. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And you went and got the dog. >> Yes. I didn't know how far away it was. I felt stupid cuz I got in my car to look for the house. Um but it was only because we're at 44 and when she said, "Oh god, I forget what she said." 439 something. Um I thought was down a ways. So I took the car, but when I turned around, I saw the guy waving with the dog. So, >> and then I walked the dog home and then went back and got my car. >> Okay. >> And then I clocked in at 8 something, 8:17. >> How come you walk the dog? >> Because I didn't want to clean up the mud. >> Oh, you only clean up the mud in the house, >> right? >> Don't they normally just let the dog out and die? >> Exactly. I've been on a walking kick because it got nicer. I walk every spring and I felt it was a good way to do it and not have to clean up the muddy mess because I wouldn't let her walk in the mud. Well, if she got loose, she probably ran through the mud anyway, right? >> Well, when I got her, her feet were dry. >> I mean, it was a concrete porch she was sitting on. >> Okay. >> And after that, what happened? What did you do? >> I went to work at 8 8:17 8:22. I'd have to look at my time >> in the morning. >> Yes. at Burger King? >> No, AMR >> at AMR. >> Well, it was at my home office. >> Okay. So, you you started working at home. >> Yes. >> And then I logged off at 11 something because like I said, I didn't get enough sleep with the dog barking me going up and down the stairs all freaking night long. >> Okay. What'd you do after that? >> Um, well, I was watching Hunger Games and working and then I clocked out around 11 something. Um, I only meant to sleep for an hour, but I guess I slept till 3:00 and then I went back to work and then I logged off again at 5 something and went to Burger King. Well, I talked to Diana um on the phone and I IM her a few times and I IMD Michelle saying, "Hey, your dog is driving me crazy. Where are you?" >> What's Facebook? Sorry. >> Oh, your Facebook from the computer. >> My personal one. Yes. I can't get on there on my work computer. I am Diane in the morning and told her and she goes, "Well, just let her out." Blah blah blah. I'm like, "Okay." Because the thing is, you know, I pay half the rent. I shouldn't have to deal with the dog. And that was my way of thinking, except for when I wanted to walk her. >> Okay. Do they normally let her out the back door? >> They do. Yes. But it's not It was snowy, but not muddy. >> Okay. >> So, it was wet. >> Did you go out in the back at all? >> Yes. >> What? yesterday with Michelle cuz she was wearing slippers and the dog was being puppy. >> Oh, Friday. >> Yes. >> What time was that? >> That was around right before noon when she let her out. When we were play and when we got back in, we were playing tugof-war with her and stuff. >> So, you and Michelle were out back with the dog. >> Well, Michelle didn't go out. She was with the slippers and I was already dressed to pick up my friend. >> Okay. So, I went out there just to grab her by the collar and and drag her in because she kept coming and then, you know, we she'd get to the door and then she would hop back and do this playful come chase me thing. >> Okay. So, you're out of the backyard playing with the dog. >> Oh, trying to get the dog. >> I was going to get the dog. You >> remember what shoes you were wearing? >> My work shoes because they were sliproof. >> Yeah. What What other kind of shoes do you have at time? >> Um some gray sneakers, some slippers, sandals that are already packed cuz I was moving at the end of the month. I had almost everything packed except for what clothes I figured I needed. >> Okay. Did you say you were moving? >> Yes. >> When were you moving? >> Um the weekend right before the 1st. So I guess what? The 28th, 29th. >> Okay. Where were you moving to? >> Um for the first four days I was going to stay with my brother until April 4th when I got my big pay and then I was moving to Dover. >> Okay. How come you were moving? I've been investigating Dober for a couple of months and this roommate situation just it wasn't working out with the lack of privacy and the my room everybody goes through it and at first she said it was just to do laundry and maybe smoke it in the garage but then they have friends going through who smoke cigarettes in the garage. The dogs going through constant the dog wasn't part of the plan that was but I was already kind of stuck going there. When did you move in? >> Around February 1st or a couple days before they let us. >> I mean, Diane's been We've been moving stuff in all month because the landlord let us with the lease or >> But you just agreed to move in with them to help out with the lease. >> Well, because I didn't have enough to live on my own yet. I moved in with her in September at Mac Drive and there I had a room with a door and and it was all nice and stuff but she took over her son's townhouse and with Christmas and all I didn't save much. >> Okay. So you guys lived together on Mac? >> Yes. >> And that was in September. >> Yes. >> Were the three of you living there then? >> No. Uh, well, Diane was in Florida and Michelle was there and then Diane came back and Michelle went to Florida >> on Mac. >> Yeah. So, the three of us never really lived together on Mac. >> So, was Diane living in Florida? >> Diane went to Florida for a couple of weeks to visit someone. >> Okay. >> In September. >> And you were living there with Michelle? >> Michelle was there until she went to Florida. I can't remember when she moved to Florida. >> Michelle moved to Florida. >> Yes. After Yes. >> When did she move to Florida? >> I don't know the exact dates. Diane would know. >> But just while you were living there on that drive, >> right? Michelle wasn't there that long at all. >> Okay. So then you guys all moved into >> Yeah. Michelle came back and she told me Michelle was coming back and was going to help with the rent and stuff. She even asked me if I wanted the bedroom upstairs and I'm like, I'll just give it to Michelle because she'll be there longer than me. Okay. >> Cuz this was never supposed to be permanent. >> Okay. >> So, why' they move from Back Drive? >> They took She liked her son's townhouse better. >> Did they ask you to move out? >> Yes. >> Why? Um, she knew about the drug thing a couple about a month ago. I told her cuz I owed her $110 and I wasn't going to lie to her. Um, and I talked to my son and my son's like, "Come clean with her. Maybe, you know, she can help you out." So, I did and she was fine with that. And then I broke down and bought just $40 worth because I didn't have enough to pay some of the other bills that I had. So, I just and I told her I did $40 worth. I'm sorry. And she says, "Well, I don't want this in my house." And I'm like, "That was fine because I was already looking to move to do. I've been already doing that." And my son knew and every that I was going to leave anyway. So, I'm like, "That's fine." I didn't argue with her or anything cuz I didn't want to stay there. And this just gave me more of an incentive to to push getting out. >> When did she ask you to move out? about three weeks ago. It was it was a Burger King pay. It wasn't a big pay. >> Yeah, it was the end of February because she says you already paid for March. So, yeah. >> Did that cause any heart problems? Not >> at all. In fact, we we were still friendly. We still shared meals sometimes, smoked together in the garage. I mean, it just wasn't working out for either of us. And we're, you know, adult to know that it is what it is and that's it. >> How many times do you use crack? >> Um, let me see. I went without for three years. And then Kiss called me out of the blue and asked me out and all that stuff. I'm like, no. And then last year a little bit it was stressful with living with someone with OCD is kind of stressful. >> So I did some in October and then oh like right after Christmas so it wasn't an all the time thing. >> How about Saturday? >> Never on Saturday. Well, this past Saturday. >> No. >> Oh, was it Friday? >> Always Fridays. >> Why Fridays? >> It's payday. >> Payday. >> How much did you do Friday? >> Uh, 40 40. >> Now, how much is that? >> 160. >> No. >> How much crack is >> Oh, >> and how long? >> Not a whole lot. >> 40 takes about an hour, hour and a half to do. It's not like a constant, you know, one after another thing. >> When did you do the other 40? What how about the first 40? What time did you do that? >> Around 1:00 in the morning. >> 1:00 a.m. >> Mhm. >> Did you have the crack at home? >> Yes, I did it in the bathroom with the window open. >> Okay. So that was Friday. >> Yes. And the second time was after I took my friend to work and I figured I was on the highway. I'll just keep going down to Barber. So that was around. She had to be to work at 8:30. I picked her up around 75 >> Friday morning. >> Yes. >> I thought you said your your friend called and said she didn't. >> You need a ride home. That was at 12 something. She only worked half a day. She's in training, but I gave her a ride to work. >> I put the phone number. >> Who was your friend? You gave her a ride. >> Amanda Miller. >> Where'd you give her a ride to? >> Um Boston Mills Road. Um All State >> Friday morning about 8. >> Yes. And on the way home, I figured, well, I'm on the highway, I'll just keep going to Overton. >> And then what time did you do the 80? >> That was that was right after 1:00 after I left. >> So that was >> I left around 12:30. So it was about >> What happens to you when you smoke crack? >> I get like some people think cocaine makes you hyper, but it makes me >> um almost like a like when people smoke weed. >> Okay. >> Um Diana's talked to me a couple times while I was on it. She she would tell you I'm just zoned and mellow and just talking. >> Doesn't make you angry or anything like that. >> You know, I've never I've never stolen for it. I've never sold myself for it. I've never done anything for it except for spend my money. I I I've never been violent in my life. Um, self-defense 2003 boyfriend, bad relationship. Those were dropped because of self-defense. Rox, you kind of spoke about your criminal history. That's the only thing you've ever had was just the >> I had a DUI in 2003 from my father's life. Um >> my boyfriend and I were he was violent to me in West Virginia. So when we moved to Florida, I fought back, but Florida believes in arrest first and ask questions later. But but like I said, those were dropped. I did violate my probation from the DUI for driving and that was it. Okay. >> What about like family medical history? Any issues in the family with anything or nothing? >> Well, cancer. >> Cerosis of the liver. >> Any mental health issues around that? >> No. >> No. Okay. You have any family lives around here? >> Yes. >> Who's that? >> My brother lives on Baltimore. >> Okay. Anybody else? >> Just >> No. My son moved to New York. >> All right. You spoke in the beginning about this can thing. Can you explain to me what you what you do with this can? >> Take an empty can and you press down the middle with the hole on the bottom. >> What kind of canole? Sorry. >> Oh, a 12 oz can. >> Like pop can. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um, you poke holes in the top. Um, and then you poke a hole towards the end and then you put ashes on there and then you put that on the ashes. >> Okay. >> Did they tell you what happened to Michelle? >> No. They said she it was violent. >> Okay. >> Did they tell you what what state she's in right now or anything? I >> They said she was dead. >> Okay. How's that make you feel? >> I feel bad. I mean, I like Michelle. She She and my son were babies together. Um, but he told me, you know, I was kind of in shock, but even like when my dad died and stuff, I just I don't cry. And Diane, I we've been friends for 20 years. So, >> all right. And how did you do your hand again? I'm sorry. I had this once you finish how you you you >> when you smoke, there's resin that's in the bottom in the can. And my ex-boyfriend taught me this. And you cut open both ends and then you cut down the middle and you scrape it off like that. And um when you do that, you have to hold it flat cuz you the curve here. Um so I didn't and this finger let loose and I went to grab it so it wouldn't puff up everything. And that's when that got cut. >> What kind of can was it? >> A&W cream soda. >> Is that something you drink? >> No, Diane does. >> Okay. >> What'd you cut the can with? >> Um, I have a razor knife in my car. >> That's how I cut those fingers. >> Yes. >> It was deep enough that you went to the hospital. I didn't think it would at first, but yeah. >> It didn't bother you or at that time that you just got done smoking some crack and now you're going to go to the hospital. You don't get nervous about that? >> I lied to them. >> Okay. >> I told them I was walking down the stairs with my lunch and um had a knife here and a dinner plate here and that I fell and grabbed the railing. But they were they looked at me funny because it's not cut like that. It's more like circular can. >> So, you know, you're saying like show me how it's covering your finger. Which was the shape? >> Like if you draw a finger. >> I took pictures. >> I did my finger. Show me. This being your pinky and your next finger. >> This one's here. >> Okay. And >> this one's here. All right. >> Did you get stitches or anything? >> Yes. What do you think's going on in the house right now? What do you >> I suppose they're processing it like they do on TV. >> Okay. You understand that when this that's done that, you know, I'll be honest with people. The HC is coming. It's BCI Bureau of Criminal Investigation. Okay. >> Uh we use them because they're very thorough. Okay. Um, you know, they're going to collect everything that's there. They're going to do we're going to do a search war in the house. We're going to collect everything there. We're going to, you know, um, so all that stuff gets collected and gets processed and and you know, we do the cop thing like you see on TV. It doesn't happen as quick as it happens on TV, but it does happen. And then we got 20 officers working on this right now. Okay. You know, it it just it's kind of ironic that you have cuts on your face. You know what I mean? >> I know how it looks. You know, I'll be honest with you. It's hard for me to understand how, you know, you're going to cut your hand and you just got done smoking crack and you're going to drive to a hospital where they probably got to do blood tests, maybe, you know, that kind of stuff. >> They wouldn't. >> Okay. >> I've had stitches before. >> I've never I've never met you. I've never met Michelle. What size of woman is she? >> I liked her. Is she funny? mostly courteous unless she's been drinking. I liked her well and I didn't know her that much. I knew her as a baby and then I knew her now. There's like 20 years in between, but I liked her. >> She wasn't very judgmental either cuz I know she knew I knew her mom and must have talked to her about things, but she never said nothing. >> What her appearance, was she a larger woman, skinny woman? Not I don't I don't know what she looks like. >> Michelle's petite. >> Okay. >> Like like her mom. >> Okay. >> A little thicker than her mom, but she took care of herself. She liked to run. She talked about being a cop one day. She got through school. So, >> did she raise drugs? >> Not that I'm aware of. But I kept to myself down here. I just went upstairs to cook and shower and sometimes they'd invite me to dinner. >> Man, you made a statement that living with someone with OCD is difficult. >> It is, but just annoyingly so. like wiping the sink after doing dishes with a paper towel or at Mac Dry we had to use a pitcher to you know do the water and >> Were you at the house? >> No, I was not. >> I'm a slob. So >> caused you problems between you and >> the fact it taught me a little. I mean, I think I'm a little cleaner than I was doing more because I lived by myself for so long. I didn't have to answer to anybody. So, >> well, like I said, I kind of walked in the middle of this. I was actually tied up on something else and I come here just to help out. Um, so you know, I kind of just get from just I'm talking to officers and passing what I need to know because they're all doing their thing and sitting here and listen to you. So I'm kind of a if I can an outside even though I'm a police officer, I'm an outside agency looking here. Outside person doesn't know all I don't been a house any of you guys. None of this stuff. >> Fresh pair of eyes. >> You got it. But I've been a cop 24 years. Okay. So I've done this a long time. What I don't understand is you were home if she she passed away at your home, >> but you're pretty much home the whole time. >> Yes. >> You have a cut on your hand. >> You were using >> She's a small woman. You you're strong woman. >> Sure. >> I've seen her move when >> you see the difficulty has come from my eyes. >> I do. I don't know what to tell you. I mean, I was very forthcoming. So, >> but once again, h how do I home? I mean, obviously the coroner BCI, they're going to be able to pinpoint exactly when her body when she basically took her last breath, how long she's deceased, how long she's been laying there. We're going to be able to tell. Obviously, it's not going to be right away, but we're going to be able to tell that. I done this. I know what happens. Okay. >> Okay. >> We're going to know what's in her body, what she was taking, all that kind of stuff. We're going to talk to neighbors. We're going to do all that kind of stuff. Once again, if I even look past all that stuff, it just amazes me that she was alive on Friday. Sometimes 12:45ish, I think was the last time until late this afternoon. And you pretty much were home that whole time >> on and off. Yeah. Well, today most of most of the time, >> right? So, it's kind of hard to How does How did she get put there? How do How does I mean >> I don't know. I don't know. >> There was nothing inside the house that said anything. I don't know. >> Is there blood inside the house? >> Not that I know. >> When you come home from the hospital, you said you did the dishes because it was a mess. Yeah. >> So, you cut your fingers >> and you do dishes. >> I went to Burger King, too, and did dishes today. >> Okay. You did you put a glove on or not? You just >> Just a bandage. They said it was okay to get wet. >> Okay. How are you feeling right now? What's going on inside you? >> I'm tired. >> I'm sure >> I'm confused. >> What are you confused about? Um, >> are you scared? >> No, I'm not scared. Frustrated a little because he said I could go home and that was 4 hours of um, you know, I'd like to be with my brother cuz I feel alone. >> Sure. >> So that confuses me that she said she was going to get my shoes and I never got them. And I know that all sounds selfish. I know it does. But my brain just feels like shutting down because it doesn't know what to think. >> You understand it? >> I know that. I know. I do. I understand. It just doesn't make it any better here. >> Did you harm Roxan Michelle? >> No, I did not. Did >> you harm her? >> No. Who did? >> I don't know. >> I mean, you paint a picture of a woman who's who's seems to be pretty nice. She wanted to be a police officer. Now, granted, I don't know who she ran with, but her mom, from what I'm being told, paints a pretty good picture of her. >> She partied some, but I don't think overly excessive for 21. >> Okay. >> So, I don't know. >> So, once again, you cut in your hand. You have an issue with her dog. You don't like your cuz the OCD stuff. >> Yeah, but none of that is worth nothing. It's just petty complaints. >> Okay. Sometimes it paints a bigger picture though. >> I mean, I I deal with those frustrations by calling my son and my brother Amanda. Facebook. >> Why'd you start using drugs again? You said you were kind of clean there for a while. What? What? >> It was just It was just stress. My son was gone. you know, he was in New York over the holidays. It was a little depressing, so I just did. >> What made you decide to use Friday? >> What was it? What was the catalyst? What was the trigger? >> There was really no trigger. I knew that next week's pay wasn't going to go towards any partying or anything because I was going to pay off my 401k loan so I can recycle it and move. So, I figured I just got a little teeny pay, but I might as well. I was up. There was no trigger. And you always had to use your own money to buy drugs. >> Yes. >> And your drug of choice is correct. >> Yeah. I know. I was told by Diane and my son to pick another drug of choice. They said shoot smoke pot. But >> when was the last time you went out in the backyard? >> Yesterday to get the dog. >> So I'm talking that' be Friday. Mhm. >> What time was it about again? That was around noonish when Michelle I was still in the bathroom and I heard Michelle and the dog. I'm like, "Well, I'm going to come out of the bathroom so she doesn't think I'm doing nothing cuz that's where I hide and Diane knows that." So, I'm just talking to her and and she had her slippers on and the dog is doing its romp thing. And usually she goes out there, but I already had my shoes on. So, I just went grabbed her by the collar, pulled her in. We played tugof-war with a towel. Michelle cleaned her smoked a cigarette. >> Well, Rox, you know what? I'm just I've interviewed probably hundreds of people, okay, in my career. And there is a dead woman in your backyard. >> I know >> that somebody used to live with you and you act like it's it's nothing. >> I am not acting like that. And if it seems that way, >> I'm not good at that. I never have been. Like, I didn't even cry at my father's funeral or my mom's. I don't know how to process it yet. Maybe tomorrow. I don't know. There's no timeline on this. I don't know what to think. And I've been here 6 hours. >> Sure. >> With only sporadic sleep on and off. I don't know what to think. I've never dealt with this type of thing before. So, I mean, if I could cry on a dime, I would. I just I can't do that. I don't know what to do. >> Well, it's not a normal I mean, most people being pretty emotional, I would think. Most people, we're all different, but you know, I I be honest with you, I don't think you're being truthful with me. I think you know a little more than what you want to tell me. And I don't understand why. I really don't. We all make mistakes. We all make mistakes. >> I make a lot of mistakes. Sure. So do >> I don't make that kind of mistake. >> I am not a violent person and I know I mean I understand why you're looking at me that way and why you think that. I I know that. I understand coming from you, but you don't know me. >> Correct. >> But that's why I look at facts. I look at what's already, you know, you have a cut on your hand. You know, you're home when I if I get my next paycheck that when she took her last breath, you were there. >> Uh, no. They said she died violently, I would have heard something like that. >> Okay. Well, if you last saw her yesterday and she was found this afternoon and you pretty much were home the whole time, minus the dog issues. >> You understand where I'm going >> and the ER hours and stuff? >> I don't know what to tell you. I mean, a lot of my time is spent I am telling you the truth. Did you get to cut on your hands from a knife or or >> No, from a camp >> because the doctors may be able to tell us that. >> They will tell you I got it that I said I got it from a >> they can tell what cuts are from a can or from a knife or from a razor or you know anytime you go into the hospital for stitches or something like that, they ask you how it happens. Okay? and then they can tell from their professional opinion what it looks like, how it happened, >> then ask them. >> Well, we will be doing that. Okay. >> Part of the other problem is, you know, you said you weren't in the garage other than the smoke, but your footprint or part of your footprint is in some of the blood that's in the garage. >> Okay. >> So, how did that get there? Why would it be blood in the garage if you were bleeding in the garage? >> I don't know. >> So, there was blood. >> I didn't see any blood. >> I don't usually wear these contact lenses. I wear glasses that are 3 years old when I'm at home. I don't know. These are all questions that come up to us. Okay. Mainly you're home almost the whole time other than a couple hours here and there. >> I'm always home >> except for a couple hours here and there. >> You're telling us you're buying crack? Okay. Is there somebody else we should be looking at? >> No. >> Is there someone that came to the house maybe brought your crack to you? >> No. Did Michelle catch you doing crack in the bathroom? Maybe there were some words. >> No, she wouldn't have said nothing anyway. She's not that kind. She would have just told her mom. >> Do you believe we could help you if you made a mistake? if I made a mistake. Yes. I mean, if you want to help me with the drug thing, but I didn't make any other mistakes. I mean, your answer to when we interview people with a lot of what people say in their actions, okay, you pick up on that. I mean, you're a grown woman. You know that talking to children, you could sometimes I know he's lying just tell by the way he looked. And when the sergeant asked you a question about your footprint and and your shoe was in the blood and your immediate answer was your contact where three-year-old contracts contact I've had contacts I've been fourth grade I've never had an issue where I couldn't see enough to where >> that's because I'm getting frustrated >> because it's just it's just an answer to a question. But I've been here so long when I told my I said everything I know to say >> everything I've done. I told you the truth. >> So So your answer to your footprint bring being bring in some blood is because your contact. >> He asked me how I didn't know. >> Okay. >> That's how I didn't know. >> You didn't see >> blood on the ground because your contacts? >> I didn't see blood on the ground. Probably because my contacts. I not paying attention. I don't pay to tell what I do a thousand times a day. So, yes. Now, I'm getting a little defensive because put yourself in my shoes. >> Well, I do. I I sit here I I think if I'm sitting there, what do I want this officer to say to me? And that's the that's how I come up with questions. Okay. You know, people think all police officers want to do is arrest people. We actually want to help people. There are there are points along the road when we can help people. And right now, you're at that point. >> I did not do this. >> You didn't do what? >> Hurt her. Okay. But you can't point us any direction who we should even look at. >> I don't mind their business. Well, you live in their house. >> I know. I live hear what goes on. We've been in those apartments. I mean, there isn't much >> space between the walls that you don't hear. >> When I'm working, I put headphones on with my computer so I don't just talk to them. >> Yeah. But I'm saying when they have people over upstairs and you're sitting downstairs, I'm sure you can hear what they're talking about. Who who's over? Is it a male? If it's a female or [snorts] or what's going on. Those apartments aren't built that well. >> Yes, but I don't know who they are. I've heard her people there. Just I think it was last Tuesday she had a male and a female over cuz I asked them to keep it down cuz I was off. She didn't know I was off until she brought the dog through and she's like, "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know you were home cuz I work at night." But the only time she introduces me is if I go up to cook something and they're there. I don't remember their names. How much did you bleed? Cuz I wrote here in my nose. Just >> not that much. >> And where did that where did you bleed at? >> Right by the front door when I was taking the dog out. >> Inside the front door or outside the front door? >> Probably both. >> Okay. cuz I was opening the door. >> And that's the the the door that faces Maple Park. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And you say not very much. Did you look down to see how much you had bled? >> No, but when I came back in, I saw a drop on the concrete and a drop by the door and there was a little smear on the glass. >> All right. Did you wipe those up or anything? >> The glass one. I did. The others I figured the concrete maybe the rain will wash it. >> Was there any on the inside? I'm sorry. the middle piece right there. I did wipe that up a little too with when I did the glass. I seen that and I went like that. I'm like, "Well, that's good enough." Because I'm a sloth by nature and I don't >> That was from your finger from what the dog did? I had the dog leash in this hand because I couldn't hold it in this hand. And I'm trying to wrangle her and she's all over the place and jumping and I'm trying to get the door open and I probably hit it on that thing that the door handle or whatever and I'm pushing the glass open. I'm like, "Come on, dog." And I'm wrestling with the dog. So, >> does a dog I know you obviously don't care for the dog. >> Well, but I wasn't going to let it starve or go to the bathroom in the house either. >> Okay. I mean, it's an okay dog. I >> Does it bark a lot? >> Um, only when Michelle's not home. >> Okay. Does it bark people come to the door and stuff? >> No, not that bad. >> No, not that bad. Or what's that mean? >> To where are our neighbors going to knock on the door and complain? In fact, the I think the neighbors next door are Michelle's friends and they have a dog also. So, they're pretty understanding, I guess. >> Are they home there today? These neighbors? >> I hear them on and off. I can hear the car coming in. Now I'm in the garage. >> What are you going to do when you leave here? >> Go to my brothers. >> Number I mean I told him I was coming. I thought it was hours ago. He's probably in bed. But if you guys don't let me use the phone, I'll let him know something. >> How about relationships? When you talk about that, where you at relationships? >> Not in 5 years, and I don't miss it much. >> Okay. >> I haven't even had a date. I mean, I've been at Well, I had a pseudo date with a PF, Plenty of Fish. Um, and he was a nice enough guy, but we just moved each other to friends book friends, Facebook friends. Sorry, I'm tired. And that was it. I'm not I wanted to find a home first before I found another man. I've been married too many times and the last relationship was just so bad. >> You have children? >> I have a son in New York. >> How old? >> He'll be 25 this year. Is there anything you can tell us that can help us with this investigation? >> No, I can't. There's nothing more I can think of. any reason why when they collect all the evidence, you know, especially off of her body that there's there going to be anything from you on her body. >> Maybe skin cells from playing tugof-war with the dog and beratau. I don't know how that works. No. When you saw her Friday was the last time you saw her, right? >> Yes. >> At 12:45. >> Yes. Yes. >> Do you remember what she was dressed like? >> Um, pajamas and a robe. Remember what kind >> of pajamas? She had the robe. Oh, I don't know what the shirt was. Um, the pants were like pinkish. So there's not going to be any reason for them to find any of your hair follicles or you know >> should be known >> anything you know in any of her wounds or anything. That would be from you. >> You said those shoes were the only shoes that you had out when you walked the dog in the back or went out in the back with the dog on Friday. They were the only shoes I've been wearing all winter. >> And you weren't out there Saturday. >> I was out there today. No. All right. >> Well, part of the problem is we don't have any shoes for you because we can't get into the apartment to get any shoes for you. >> I don't care by now. I'll go. >> You call your brother. Maybe he can bring you a pair of new shoes. >> He's got his youngest daughter home right now. I already asked him to come see me and whatever. >> He was out in the lobby for you. >> Is he? >> He was. >> Oh, >> I told him we had to talk to you. He said for you to call one more time. >> He can bring a pair. They have what are they called? Jellies. >> Clos. >> Okay. Can they call it? >> Well, let's make sure we're done here first. Okay. We had to talk to some of our other people that have been out talking to the neighbors and talking to other people to make sure that you know nothing you said you know was going to be a lie or maybe they saw you doing this or saw you doing that. >> You're going to do all that now before >> it only takes a couple seconds. >> Okay. You're going to wake people up. >> We've been doing this all night long. Okay. Since we got called out there at six o'clock, we've been uh canvas in the neighborhood people. >> Oh, wow. I just left like 10 minutes before that. The second time. >> So, you can see our concern and why we're looking at you. >> I know. >> Because you've been home most of the time. >> I didn't try to hide any of that either. I could have had the trouble then, >> but I didn't know if you were going to do a blood test or not. >> And it was such a little thing. >> There's anything you want to tell us, >> now is the time to do it. Cuz now is the time when we can best help you, okay? is if the evidence starts piling up, okay, it's going to be a lot more difficult for us to be able to help. Okay, when someone comes forward on their own, you know, when they've done something that, you know, whether they intended to do it or whether it was a fit of rage or whether, you know, whatever caused it, >> without any remorse, okay, there's not a whole lot we can do. But when someone tells us, you know, on their own without us saying we got this evidence, this evidence, this evidence, this evidence, all this mounting up, it's going to be too late by then. Right now is the time. You know, >> I didn't >> You want to help yourself? This is the time we can help you. >> You can do what? I didn't hurt her. >> But she's she's dead. >> I know. >> So, what do you I don't You say you didn't hurt her. She's dead. >> I didn't kill her either. >> I haven't dealt a lot with death. Just my parents. And that was late in life and that's it. I don't know how to deal. I don't know how to talk about a deceased person. I don't even talk about my parents after years, 10 years. I don't do death that well. when we start talking to some people around you. Well, I'm sure we're gonna talk to uh Diane and some of the neighbors and we're going to try and dig into your background a little bit. >> Talk to people that know you. Is there anybody that's going to say that you have a violent >> soul? You know, anything that's going to lead us back to talking to you. Not a soul. >> You know nothing about what happened to Michelle. >> No, I don't. I didn't even know whether to be worried this morning cuz she's 21. But you know, I contacted her mom anyway. How did you know she wasn't home this morning? >> Because the dog was still barking. >> I mean, the 6:00 one, I figured she was still in front. They said she was starting the night shift to feeling me. She slipped past me. It's been known to happen. I might live down there, but I'm not. You can ask Diane. I keep to myself. She usually even initiates all conversation. I say, "Hi, Diane." when she walks in. Do you need some names for my work people? >> People you work with at Burger King or any either. or past words, but I think he had a man's phone number. I don't know their phone number. I don't even remember Burger King's phone number off hand. I don't do so well unless it's repetition. >> Who's your manager? >> Which one? the one I work with the most or the highest one. The highest one is Trish. >> Trish. Trish. >> I have no idea. >> Then Jill Jillian. And I don't know. Her last name was so weird. I didn't even process it. >> How long have you worked there? >> Um September 18th. You know, I was hired on my son's birthday. That's the only reason I remember the exact time. What about uh AMR? >> Oh, there was more managers. Um Stephanie and Vicki are the ones I work with the most. >> AMR? >> No, at Burger King. Stephanie and Vicki, I close with them the most. Um AMR. Um my new manager is Abby, but she's only been my manager for a week because I was treated. Um, but the one that had me the most was Amy Johnson and her phone number is listed on my name tag on my computer. It's the 990 number or my brother asked. >> Um, she works at home, too, so I might need that number. I have an address book in the house if you want to look it up. >> Where's at? The office is on 530 South Main Street, Canal Place, Akran by Spaghetti Warehouse. So all the time you've been there, you know, you haven't overheard any conversations about people or anything like that or any arguments or anything up there? >> No, I never heard a fight with anybody. Like mostly laughter, drunken silly sounds cuz I remember from when I used to do it. I just because of the new privacy, you just get used to tuning out. >> Yeah, but some things you can't tune out when you were here. >> Well, if there was a fight or something, I would remember that. Yes. >> You tell me you've been living there with them since February and no one's ever raised their voice. Not yell at one another. >> Well, mother daughter stuff, but that doesn't take long. usually about a a towel not being where it's supposed to be or something. It's just >> What about Michelle? Did she ever take any drugs? >> I'm aware of >> ever asked you for any drugs because she she knew you took them. Even Even this morning, Diane says, "I want me to get up there and and smack some sunset back into her like I did in Florida." So, I guess she had her wild moments, but I don't know about them. That's just the truth I caught. >> Because I don't ask questions. >> Where'd you live before you moved in with them? Um 87 Mberry near Market in Arlington. Amanda Miller now has that apartment. I gave it to her. My friend pretty much the only one I have. We got into a little bit into end of December, too, because I borrowed money from her and I couldn't pay her back because that was the time I got into that. But I slowed it down. I mean, I've had my I've paid my rent and all that stuff. Was that apartment? >> Uh, A. It's the whole first floor. >> 87 Mberry. >> B U R Y. >> Where was >> Aan? How old was Amanda? >> Oh gosh. 29. >> I could be off. >> You never date a person. I'm sorry. Her date of birth. August 5th. Last year we went to the water park for our dual birthdays. Call number >> 330 808 9013. All right. While we're doing our thing, do some time to think. All right. >> Thinking for 5 hours or so. >> Well, I know, but like I said before, >> if you want us to be able to help you, now is the time that we can help you. >> There's nothing to help me with. >> Okay. afternoon. Hi, Roxan. >> No, >> we need to take a couple more pictures of your fingers. >> Sorry. >> Yeah, but I have a special camera so I can get some nice good shots of them without them being all messed up. Sorry to make you take that back off. All right. Could you put your other hand out for me, too? >> That's okay. You can just set that on the table. >> Can you put them closer together? on the other side of your hand. >> Sorry, hypertension. >> You're fine. You're fine. >> Okay. Thank you. Can you lift your sleeve up? You have any scratches? No. All right. Obviously, we've been in here for a little bit. I don't know when I was in the time. Obviously, DCI has been outside the house processing the scene. Okay. >> That's who that came in to take the pictures. >> I saw her shirt. >> Yeah. But you're not the only one, you know, bunch of people. I don't know how many cuz I'm not out there. But they already determined that the incident took place in your bedroom. >> What? >> Okay. You need to be honest and upfront with me right now. Roxan, it has to stop right now. The lies have to stop right now. You have to start talking to me. >> It's not about No, >> I didn't kill Michelle. There is cleanup. They found it. They're going there with blue lights. They're going to be told to tell where diluted. The blood was diluted. >> I didn't. >> It's underneath your bed. >> Do that, >> Roxan. It's in your bedroom. >> I wasn't there. I didn't do that. >> They That's what we just sat down and talked to her. >> It's in your bedroom. You were home. You need to be honest with me right now. It needs to stop. We need to help. >> I did not do this. >> They're going to find out. They're going to put everything together. >> I didn't do this. >> This is the point where you need to help yourself. We can only help you right now. >> I did not do this. >> How do you explain it's in your bedroom? >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO explain it. >> And it cuts on your hand. >> I know that >> when you when you do this motion, it's very common. Somebody tries to stab somebody, your hand slips, you cut your fingers. You cut the exact same fingers, which is 99% of the time when there's a stabbing, that's the kind of wounds you get. Roxanne, you got to be truthful with us right now. >> I am being truthful with you. I did not do this. >> So So what? Somebody just snuck in a house, hurt her violently in your bedroom where you were at working. >> Not yesterday. It wasn't working. >> Roxan, you got to be truthful with me. And you're not. I can tell. I can tell. I've been doing this job long enough. I can tell. I didn't do this. >> How'd the stuff get there? >> I don't know. >> You don't know because you don't want to tell me the truth. >> No, I don't know. >> Roxan, this is this is not the way it should be going. >> No, >> you need to help yourself. You need to be honest with me. >> I'm telling you. >> I think I feel That's how we're going to end it. >> I don't know what to say. I keep telling you the same thing and it's the truth. >> Well, the absolute truth will come out. There's no question. You know, I mean, we're done. You You want to You're asking for an attorney. I can't question you any further. This was your golden opportunity. >> Can I call my brother now? >> When we get to it here in a second. Yes. 5 days after her first interview, the case against Roxan Buck had changed. Investigators had continued processing the home, her vehicle, and the physical evidence surrounding Michelle Johnson's death. What they uncovered gave police enough to bring Buck back. This time, not simply as someone they wanted to question, but as the woman they believed killed Michelle. On March 20th, 2014, Roxan Buck was arrested and brought back to Stow Police Department for a second interrogation. when I got here early on Saturday to make sure there was nothing in there. Cigarettes. Yeah. >> That's where I was when you called getting another pack. >> All right. And I'm Detective Goddess. >> Hi. >> How are you? >> That's all right. Not a problem. >> Not that I supposed to come out today, but she didn't have a kit. >> Oh, okay. >> She's She's an R. She's I would have just taken scissors. I've never paid to get stitches out in my life. >> Okay. Uh we've been here before, but common policy is to have it read your rights again. Uh just so you know, you're you're not under arrest right now, but we still want to make sure you know uh that you have your rights and you know, you can stop talking to us anytime you want to. >> You know, I didn't get that until 1:00 in the morning Saturday, right? this. Well, I read it to you when I want to call. Yeah. >> Yeah, I understand that. >> Okay. >> Uh that was one of those nights where there was so much going on. Unfortunately, you you know, >> you haven't had a situation like this since 2002. >> Right. >> My son likes the internet. >> You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to with an attorney and have one Have your attorney present while you are being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire an attorney, will be appointed before any questioning and you can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. You understand that? >> Yes, sir. >> Excuse me if I'm a little shaky, but um my brother couldn't find my blood pressure pills when he picked up my things and >> Oh, okay. >> I haven't had them for a while. hypertention. >> Were they at the house or >> who knows? I was in my room, >> huh? >> Yeah, >> they were probably in the bathroom, but he was in such a rush. >> Well, I I was helping him look for some things while we were in there, but I think he pretty much grabbed everything out of the >> Yeah, I barely take them anyway. I just I should because it spikes to 207 over 107 before I hear you going to you your sister-in-law volunteered to come. >> She did. I told her not to. >> Okay. >> They don't know about the drug problem. >> Okay. >> And I would rather she didn't. >> Okay. >> Because I'm staying at her house with her kids. >> Okay. I can understand that. Okay. Uh we're not going to try to be as intimidating as you thought the one officer was the other other time, but uh sometimes, you know, when we think someone's lying to us, you know, we're going to say something. But if you don't, like I said, you can walk out that door anytime you want. But let's let's start with a little bit of history. Okay. Tell us about yourself. Where where'd you grow up? Where were you born? >> I grew up in Florida. >> Okay. >> Mostly um born in California. >> Oh, okay. >> Parents moved to Jersey. He moved to Florida in 70 5 74. Orlando, moved to the beach when I was [clears throat] 16. Cocoa Beach. I would have graduated class of 87, but I quit to help my parents pay the bills cuz back in the 80s it was acceptable. Um, married three times. >> Okay. Um, I know you have a son. >> Yes. What is he with the first husband? Second husband? >> He's 24. >> No, I mean which husband did you have? >> Oh, my second husband. >> Okay. What's your son's name? >> Christopher Nations. >> Christopher Nations. >> Christopher Joseph Scott Nations. If you want all the particulars. >> Where does he live at now? >> Oh, New York. >> Oh, what's he do there? She live >> unemployed, but he's staying with his girlfriend and her mother. Okay. >> They were living with me till last year, but I was getting perturbed that she wasn't looking for a job. >> Where were they living with you at? >> Um 87 Mberry. >> Oh, okay. Before you move in on Mac? >> Yes, they I drove them to New York in March of last year. >> Okay. Even before we get to that, what's the address you're staying now? >> 1934 Burnmore. >> 1934. Okay. >> And that's your brother's place. >> Okay. >> How long has your brother been around? Did he grow up with you or >> Yeah, he grew up with me. >> Um when I moved with my second husband up to Akran in ' 92 91, no 911 cuz my son was two. Um they followed cuz my dad had problems with work and then he fell in love and stayed. >> Oh, okay. So he's been in this area since then. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh how long has he been living in St. >> Um first they lived in Kyhoga Falls and then they moved to St. Oh, okay. And he's got how many kids? >> Four. >> Four kids. Okay. >> I couldn't remember if it was three or four. I know. He was telling >> he had four under all under the age of 10 at one point. >> Oh. What's his name? First name. >> Raymond. R A Y M O N D. Alden. A L D N. Stone. I guess it's no longer Junior. >> So your maid name is Stone. >> Yes. [clears throat] Roxan Lee Stone Headley Nations Buck. >> That's a mouthful. >> I didn't keep all the names, but in case you need a trail. >> My younger sister, too. >> Haven't been legally married since 01 02. >> Okay. Uh, so tell me about your relationship with with Diane and Michelle. How did you guys hook up? >> Um, Diane is Bill's my son's father's cousin. and a long long time ago. >> Son's >> my son's my son's father's cousin. >> So, Bill Nations. >> Yes. Bill Nations. >> Diana's cousin. >> Yes. >> And I met her then and then I met her again when I got married the third time. Um, she even came to our house in the country once and then I hadn't really seen her for years, but we kept in touch via phone and then by Facebook. >> Where's your third husband? >> Wesley Buck. Wesley Sheridan Buck. >> Sounds like he's from the south. >> West Well, his mom is Barberton, but I guess they hail from West Virginia. Okay. >> So, did you get married in Ohio or >> Wesley Buck? Yes. Okay. the Bill Nations in gosh, was it Coco, Florida, technically speaking >> and Jack Hadley, Cocoa Beach, Florida. >> Okay. >> So, you've been living quite a few different places and stuff. >> My My father wasn't no bad as well. Well, I mean, it's pretty common nowadays for people just to move and wherever the work is, what whatever's going on in their life, it's a lot easier to to pick up and just go nowadays. Um, >> I did move back to Florida in ' 03 and then I just moved back up here in '08. >> Okay. And when did you uh how did you hook up with Diane? I guess >> she came back from Florida. She divorced. Um, all this I knew was on the phone. I hadn't even seen her in years by that time. Um, and then she was staying with someone and it wasn't working out. She said she got an apartment, but she lost her job with an accident. Um, she was driving a wheelbase or something. Um, and she knew that I was in a bad neighborhood and she said, "Why don't you just move in with me and share half the rent?" She says she's probably going to Florida for a few weeks anyway to visit with her ex-husband. Um, so I so I did on Mac Drive, 1555 Mac Drive. >> That was >> September around September 15th perhaps cuz I was waiting for that one payday. >> Who was going to Florida this year? >> Diane was going to Florida for a few weeks to be with her ex-husband to see if she wanted to stay down there with him. >> Okay. Diana's ex-husband was dead. >> I have no idea. >> Is that Michelle's dad? >> No. >> Now, who was living on that ride when she went to Florida? You just Michelle or >> Yeah, Michelle stayed for a few days >> or a few weeks. Gosh, it's hard to remember because I stay and even there I had a door and I stayed in my room and it's hard to remember the dates because I don't keep track of of all that if it has nothing major to do with me. I'm one of the big believers in minding my own business. I just I'm a loner mostly except for family and Amanda. Even Diana hardly came out and said hi to her. I didn't even use the living room but twice the whole time I was there. >> Um, your brother and your sister-in-law brought up some things about, you know, some of the abusive relationships you were in before. >> Um, my first husband and my last boyfriend. >> Okay. Physical or emotional or >> I was kicked in the November 21st, 2001. The only reason I remember the date is because it was traumatic. I was kicked in the head four times. Had a busted eardrum, hemorrhaged eye. This pinky was broken, which is probably why it's hurt because of the stitches. That's why it's hurt more than it was. Um, >> yeah, I stayed with it. >> And who that was your husband? >> No, this was the last relationship I was in. It was an 8year living relationship. >> Who was that? >> James Eric Bloom. B L O M. >> Now, where did that happen? >> Um, West Virginia. >> Okay. Did anything happen with that? Did you get arrested? >> No. >> Did you press charges? Was the police called? >> The police were called, >> but there was no charges. >> West Virginia is a different world. >> Yes. >> And I didn't press it and they didn't press me. So, >> let's move to Friday. Okay. Our Thursday night, Friday. Let's start over and just kind of go through what what you did again. >> Okay. Um I was up in the middle of the night and we were both we both quit smoking >> and we talked each other into pitching in and buying a pack of cigarettes. This was a little after 12. >> And who's this? You and >> Michelle. >> You and Michelle. >> Yes. >> So [clears throat] I went to Circle K, bought a pack of cigarettes, brought her back half. the one on Fish Creek and Stow Road. Is that right? >> Yeah. >> Um, brought that back to her and then I went to go see my dealer. >> How about What time was that? >> 1:00 in the morning. Okay. >> Let's talk about him for a second. >> Kiss. >> Yeah. Black guy, white guy. >> Light black. >> Light-kinned black. How old do you think he is? >> He was 26 when I met him. So, probably around 30 now. I met him through James. >> James was up here with me. >> Who's James? Who? >> My last ex. >> And you sure he's from a or uh Barberton? Kiss? >> Well, that's where he lives now. >> He lives now in Barbadon. Okay. Do you know where in Barbadon? Do you are you familiar with >> the address? I mean, I can tell you how to get there. >> Yeah, tell me how to get there. >> Um 77 South >> to Waterl Road. Turn right. Go till it turns into two lanes across the railroad tracks. There's a flashing light near a cemetery. And then there's a steady light, but it's right before the steady light. There is a twostory building. And he's in the second part number two. So, it's actually on Waterl Road. Yes. You don't ever turn off our water road. >> Correct. >> Do you go over the tracks? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> But before the big tracks. >> Okay. >> There's big tracks near um >> but it's past the cemetery. >> Yes. >> Okay. Twotory building. And you said it's number two. >> Yes. >> Okay. Do you know what he drives or anything? >> He doesn't >> doesn't drive. Okay. >> When you go to get stuff from him, do you just call him or >> I do. Do you know his number? Authentic >> ch 40099. I gave this to the other ones as well. >> Did you? >> I did. >> Okay. I I'm kind of didn't get in on that. So I I haven't. So >> And I bought $40 worth then. >> Okay. >> And then I came back and smoked in the bathroom >> at to the house of Maple Park. >> Then I took a little nap. >> What time did you get back when you after you bought it? >> Oh, it only What is it? 20 minutes there. 20 minutes back. >> Yeah. Still more time. >> Twoish. >> Twoish. You're back. >> And you smoke that. Where? >> In the bathroom. >> In the bathroom. >> But I tried to take a little nap because it makes me a little sleepy. >> Do you know if Michelle was home? >> I guess she was home. >> She wasn't up and see her at that time. And how'd you smoke it? >> A can. >> In a can. >> Yeah, cuz I didn't want to go. I didn't think anything was open anyway shopwise for a pipe thing. So I I was taught how to use a pump can. >> What kind of candy did you use? >> Um cream soda. Okay. Then after you got done smoking, >> I I wanted to take a nap and I, you know, just roam around a little bit cuz it makes me I know people think it makes people hyper, but for me it just makes me quiet. So, and then around 8:30, I decide to go get some more. >> So, you're out the whole night, the rest of the morning. Yeah, >> just walking around. >> Well, not really. You know, it takes a little bit to to do that. Be a couple hours. >> And I tried to lay down >> and Yeah. >> And I read a lot. It's hard now to remember exact exact times, but at least I can get you dishes. >> Yeah, dishes is fine. >> Okay. >> Um, so Did you go back to get some more? >> Yes. $40 more. >> $4 >> because I was trying not to spend my whole pay this time because I promised my son I wasn't going to do it anymore. My son knew I had a problem. Also, >> I made him promises of a cruise and that I would move out of town and away from KISS cuz I don't know how to find these people, you know. So, I figured out of the geography I would be fine. >> How'd you come across Kiss in the first place? >> James. >> That's right. Was was James >> into crack? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, he was buying from him. >> He is. Yes. >> He's the one that got me. I mean, after the incident with the um being kicked in the head and stuff. That's >> That was from drinking. >> Okay. >> So, we went to this other party. He's like, "Oh, here. Do this. This one makes me mellow." Whatever. I'm like, "No, that's addicting." Cuz I'm from 80s beach. I've tried stuff before. >> Are you doing anything now other than crack? >> No marijuana. I don't even drink. >> I hadn't had a drink since August 1st on my birthday. Coconut rum. Shared it with the neighbors. >> So 8ish. You go get some more. >> Yeah.$ 830ish. >> $20 more. >> Yes. >> Kiss. >> Yes. >> Well, I know it was 8ish because I took my friend to work up on Boston Mills Road and she goes has to be there by 8:30. I don't remember what time exactly we got there, but as soon as I dropped her off, I figured since I was on the highway, I just kept going. >> So, you dropped her off at work? >> Yes. >> Hudson. >> Uh, Boston Mills Road in Hudson. Yes. >> Whose head was her? >> Amanda Miller. >> That's Amanda. Oh, I did see Michelle that morning. I did because when I went to go pick up Amanda, I locked myself out. >> Okay. How did you lock yourself up? >> I I was late, so I was running out the door and I left my keys on the computer. >> And it's automatic that we lock the door. I mean, it's >> um so I banged on the door and banged on the door and then the neighbor said she'll bang on Michelle's wall and get her up. So Michelle let me in to get my keys. >> And that was before the 8:30 trip. >> Yeah, that was when I was picking up Amanda to take her to work and dropped her off and then went to go see Yes. Yes. So you automatically lock the door before you go out. >> I always lock the door. >> When we're living on Mac Drive, she even yelled at me for not locking both doors no matter where I am. Even if I'm inside. >> So you pounded on the door? >> Yes. A lot. Enough to wake the neighbors. >> Neighbors woke up. >> Yes. >> Did they wake Michelle up? >> Yes. >> And she came out and locked the door? >> Yes. >> Was she happy about that or? >> Probably not. She just didn't look like anything. I said, "I was sorry." >> Right back upstairs. >> I guess she went back upstairs. >> She just looked sleepy. >> So you got in, got your keys, went picked up Amanda. >> Yes. >> And went straight from Amanda's to kiss. Yes. >> Now hoping I'd have time to do it all before picking Amanda back up. Okay. And what did you do after you met Baltimore from Kiss? >> I went back to the apartment. >> You remember about what time you got back there? >> Gosh, it was a longer drive to Kiss's house because it was from Boston Mills. Um, 30ish, >> probably about 9:30ish. Okay. All right. What did you do then? >> I did that and then I was thinking of napping or what? But I figured I didn't have time. Um, >> you smoked that at the >> Yes, with the >> Yes, with the window open >> and in your room or >> No, the bathroom. The bathroom near the basement or the garage. >> Um, >> so that, you know, I get air out or whatever. And I don't know if other people could smell. I could smell it. >> Do you know if Michelle was home then? >> Yes, because it was around 11:30, 12:00. Well, before I had to pick up Amanda. She came down to let the dog out. >> That was after you spoke to Cracker During the time. >> It was after the dog. >> Yes. What time was that? >> It had to have been around noon because it wasn't long after um Amanda called. And then I returned her call and she said she didn't need a ride after all cuz her husband was coming to get her cuz their car was broke at first and I guess he got the alignment fixed. >> Where were you at? >> Um I was in the garage with Michelle and the dog. Well, the dog was out and then the dog we were smoking a cigarette and we played with the dog and then I went back in. I'm like, "Oh crap, Amanda called >> and you called her back." >> Yes. >> That was probably around 12:30ish. >> Yes. >> And what time were you supposed to pick her up? >> I was supposed to be there at 12:30, but you know, I lost track of time with with that. And then, you know, talking to Michelle and the dog. And >> And what did you do after that? >> Well, Michelle said she was going to have people over and ask me if I was going to work, but a lot of times and and and you can ask my bosses. I blow off Friday if I could work on Saturday because I have till Saturday midnight to do my 40 hours. So, a lot of times, especially if it's a payday, I'll just blow Fridays off. And I told her no. Well, she was having people over and I kind of like my peace and quiet. So, >> she said a person or multiple people. >> She said people. >> She said people. >> She said people. >> Was she just like letting you know that she was doing that or was she asking you? >> No. For courtesy. She wasn't asking permission. >> Right. because sometimes I have to make phone calls >> for my work, you know, and >> you can't have it while >> right. >> Okay. >> So, she was just being courteous, you know, letting me know. >> So, you left. >> Yeah. Cuz I was I was really I was going to work probably cuz I was broke by then and I just, you know, um I had to work at Burger King at 4 anyway. But when she said that, I just left because I like my alone time out. >> So, what time did you leave then? It was right after pretty much right after I talked to Amanda. >> And where did you go? >> The park that starts with a B. >> Brust. >> Yes. >> Whatever it is. >> And how long were you there? >> Not long. >> No. >> Cuz I meant to just walk around and clear my head. That's what I meant to do because I always mean to just stop, you know. Um, and then I just decided, I guess it was around 1, 1:15ish or whatever, just to go get some more. And I figure, you know, I'll just do it in the car, whatever. >> So 115 you decided to head >> around. Yeah. >> Okay. And that was from the park? >> Yes. >> Did you walk the trail or did you just >> No, I didn't walk the trail. It was There was still some ice. >> Not a whole lot. I mean, I did the the parking lot and >> but it I I have a fear of falling. >> Well, it's tough to walk in the ice. I walk through the trails, too, but it's >> It's not just ice. It could be an oil slick or mud. It It doesn't matter. >> Did you stay in your car the whole time or did you get out? >> I got out. >> Okay. How long do you think you were at the park? >> I don't know. 15 minutes. >> Okay. So, not very long. >> What were you What were you wearing when you went to the park? clothes. >> Hey, I wore a t-shirt. It's usually what I wear. >> Was it colder or warmer? >> It It was a It was a warmer day. >> Warmer than usual. >> Pants, >> jeans, more than likely. Pretty much all I have is AR stuff, Bahamas stuff, and jeans. So, you go get some more crack. >> Yes. >> And you go >> um to Mac Drive because there's apartment buildings and stuff that are kind of isolated next to the ones I used to live at. >> How much did you get by this time? 80. So, how long are you in the back driver? >> Until I cut my >> When you go to kisses, is that like an in-n-out kind of thing or do you spend time there? >> No, I don't spend time. >> So, it's real fast. Do you go up to his apartment or does he come down to you or >> No, it's downstairs. Okay. >> So, I just park right in front of the door >> and I just jump out and Yes. Yes. >> Do it at the front door or do you go? >> Well, no. I I go inside. >> Go inside. >> Yes. >> Do you call him ahead of time? >> Usually. That time I did not. I mean, some sometimes I just don't. >> Just show up and do. >> Yeah. >> It's either him or his girlfriend. >> So, you're a regular customer or they don't question. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, you think you called him that time or No. >> No, I did not call him that time. >> Okay. No call. Was his girlfriend there by any chance? >> Yes. >> What's her? >> I think it's Alicia. >> Is she black? >> No, she she's white with dark hair. Big woman. Works at the Burger King. See, I I've known them long enough where I know a little bit about >> the Burger King water. As soon as you turn off a waterlue from the highway. The one by the marks. Giant eagle. Dark hair tattoos. Big girl. >> Have you said dark hair tattoos? >> Alicia. >> I think >> I work. The reason I'm asking I work narcotics. So I have an interest in all that kind of stuff. >> Great. No. It's okay cuz I'm not calling him anymore anyway. >> Seriously, if I needed anything to stop doing that, it was something like this to happen. >> A little slap on the head with a 2x4 to wake you up or whatever. It happens. Okay, so let's go over how you cut your fingers. >> Okay, when you do the can, it collects resin on the bottom. And James taught me all this, too. >> How you do the can? >> You have the whole piece here, the mouth, >> right? where you take your drink and you push the bottom or the top down like this and you poke holes and then you poke a hole like a blow hole towards the end of the can like towards the end so that you can put your finger on it while you're holding it and then let it go and then you put ashes on it and then you put that on top and then you light it while you're doing the finger hang. I never smoke. >> I know. >> Don't anybody do a good consideration. >> And to get the resin out, you cut from the whole around the whole bottom and then the top and then you cut down the middle. >> What did you use to do that with? >> I have a razor knife in my car. >> What kind of razor knife? >> Green one from work. >> Is it one of those knives? >> It's a safety one. So, it's the one where you click the button on the top and you can >> pull it in or >> it's it's a green one with it's on the side. I'm >> pretty sure. Yeah. I got it from Eagle. I didn't I meant to return it. >> Is it bigger or smaller? >> It's about this big. >> What do you mean you got it from Giant Eagle? >> I worked at the Giant Eagle before Christmas. >> Oh, you worked. >> They gave me one and >> Oh, okay. one of those kinds. >> Yeah, it was just a few weeks. >> Okay. >> And I gave them everything else and that was in my car to give it back to them. >> So, you're cutting the can with the razor, >> right? And I took one of the the spare razors from inside it. The the razor thing has, you know, holding spot and you scrape the resin like that, >> right? >> And and then you pile it. Well, I put it in a piece of paper and then you put it on a new can. >> Okay. >> To smoke. you're a narcotic, you might know about that. Um, but when your fingers let go, I was trying to let it not pop up like that. So, I grabbed it the the curling part of the can. >> Okay. And which fingers? Okay. >> That's why it's in such a weird position from grabbing the curling can. >> Okay. >> Oh, and what kind of can was this one? >> Um, the one that I cut was the cream soda one. >> A cream soda? Yes. And then I used the Dr. Pepper can to finish. Well, actually, I was going to use a Dr. Pepper can to finish, but I >> smoked the rest, >> right? But I needed stitches. So, I went to the emergency room around and I guess that was a little after 2:00. That's that part at least is verifiable. I didn't leave there until after 4. >> So, you were there at about 2? >> Yeah, around 2. I mean, by that time I'm in I mean, I have my gut as I'm not thinking right. >> Do you know where that can is that the cream soda can that you cut yourself on? >> I threw them out the door. >> Where at? >> Probably in the parking lot when I almost cut myself. >> You threw them both out the door? >> Yes. >> The Dr. Pepper and the cream soda? >> Yes. Well, the Dr. Pepper I might have thrown away at the hospital. So, there should be any cans in your car. >> Should be cracked. >> Should be nothing. I don't keep this. I don't keep it around. Even at Dian's house, I try not to or bury it in the garbage or whatever. >> Did it bleed a lot? >> No, not not not massively. Enough that I had I had some dish towels and stuff in the car. Well, one anyway. and I used that and I threw it in their um bio bin at the hospital and they said it was pretty shallow. I didn't even need the stitches that much, but they wanted to do it because I type for a living and it could have just kept opening, but they said it was pretty shallow. So, they even asked me if I wanted the stitches or not. I'm like, "Well, if you say it's going to keep opening when I'm typing, then yeah, that's my job." When you threw them out of the car, the cans a pop. Was it just like out of the car into the lot or in a trash can? >> I don't know. You littered. >> I Yes. I don't mean to. And you can even ask the other officer like when I smoke I butt it out on my shoe. I put it in my cigarette pack. I >> But I was not I mean I was cut. >> Sure. >> I was just like >> Okay. And after you left the hospital, >> I went through the drive-thru of Burger King to give them my my note that I was not going to be able to work that day. And I handed it to Vicki. I didn't want to go in. >> What time were you supposed to work? 48. >> 48. So you're scheduled for 48. >> I was scheduled for 48. >> And then after Burger King, >> anybody there? >> So what time do you think you got home? >> After 5. Burger King. >> Well, you went from GMC right to Burger King. How long were you at Burger King? >> I went to the drive. >> I just came and you went home from there. >> Yes, sir. >> So, you got the hospital a little after 4? >> I guess it's only discharge papers >> and then Burger King is straight home. So, you're probably home before 5. make you say anything to you or anything or no big deal. >> No, no big deal. Wasn't my first call. It's just my >> you for that or are they get mad when you don't come to her? Okay. >> Well, not if it's >> something legitimate that you have a good excuse. Okay. So, you get home, Michelle's not there? >> No, I did not see her. >> Okay. Do you just when you come in, you just close the door and go to your room? >> Well, my room's right there. Yeah. >> Uh, anything unusual? >> Well, the back door was unlocked. I told the one officer that. >> Which back door? >> The one in the garage cuz I went to go smoke and it was unlocked, so I locked it. >> Okay. How about the door? The front door was locked >> to the outside. >> That That's the one I'm talking about cuz I go into the garage, >> right? Is that door usually locked? >> Yes. >> The door from the house to the garage? >> No, from the house to the garage is Yeah, that's usually locked. And that was locked. >> Okay. >> It's the garage door to the outside that was unlocked. >> Then I know because the the cushion thingy, >> she has a thing that goes on, you know, to keep the draft, >> right? >> Um and that was out. So, I went to go kick it >> and the front door >> again. That garage door that >> How about the front door was locked? >> No, the front door was locked. Yes, >> front door is locked. The house door to the garage door is also locked. >> And then the garage door to the backyard is unlocked. >> Yes. I don't think I mentioned it before, but I was not I mean everything can't come out all in one day, you know. But the the floor was wet, but I figured because we played with the dog and it was really muddy that she cleaned it. >> Which floor? >> The the garage floor. >> Okay. Was a little wet like as soon as you walk from the house and >> so the garage floor was wet. The whole garage floor just >> No, not just like a area. like where the dog was romping. So that's why I thought it was just the mud from She was cleaning up the mud from the dog. >> When you got home then, was the dog home? >> The dog was home because when I tried to go to sleep, it was barking. >> Where at? >> Up in her room. >> It's always in her room. >> Yes. It's always in her room. >> So if she's not home, the dog's in her room. in her room when she is home or if she's >> No, if she's home, she has a baby gate to keep it from coming downstairs all the time and she puts it up there like the stairs. >> So, the dog was in Michelle's bedroom when it was barking. >> Yes. Off and on. I just ignore it most of the time. But later that evening, I was napping on and off from the time I got home. Like I said, that stuff makes me sleepy. Plus, I just got stitches and I was tired. So, I was trying to nap. Dog woke me up. I said I didn't know if I if if I missed Michelle going to work or what. So, I just said I'll walk her for a second. Go home now. >> Let's back up. >> Sorry. >> You're in the house. >> Go into the garage. The smoke. >> Yes. >> And the door to the garage from the house is locked. >> Yes. Did you open the back door? >> Not at that time. No. >> How'd you know it was unlocked? >> Because I went because the thing was the draftke keeper was away. So I went to kick it and I seen it was unlocked. Okay. So, you smoke, cigarette, go back in the house, >> lay down, read a little bit. >> What are you reading? >> BC Andrews, Heaven St. >> Where were those books at? >> Nightstand. >> Is that the stand right next to your bed? >> Yes, we're building up. Okay. So, you read them, you put them back in the night stand >> always. So, I just, you know, roll over, turn the lamp off, >> you don't put them on the floor, anywhere. >> I have a great respect for most books. Because besides, you know, seeing kids on occasional Fridays, that's all I do. Computer speed. >> So, you don't know any anything unusual then? >> No. >> Okay. You're reading your books that were on a nice day. How many books do you have at the house >> at one given time? >> Well, on Friday, >> five library books. Okay. >> Two of which I just read. And I was taking them back. So you're taking two books back. >> Mhm. Okay. So it's Friday night. read, fall asleep. But what time? >> By that time, I'm all tired. >> Yeah. On and off between the dog barking. >> What time did it You said you let the dog out. >> I walked the dog because I wasn't dealing with no mud that time of day. And I was at >> I don't um that one you can ask the neighbor cuz I'm not sure. Um, but she got loose. I mean, as soon as I took her out, she got loose because I'm tired. I I have no strength. Um, and she she had to knock on the door to get it was like within 10 minutes. Okay. >> So, we walked the dog. She got loose, but they brought her back. >> Yes. >> You put her back in the bedroom? >> Yes. >> And this is Friday still? >> Yes. And then I went to bed for good because that's what I do the day after. I pretty much sleep a lot after I do that Friday. >> Okay. What time did you wake up? >> When the dog was freaking barking again. >> Well, what time is it? 6:30 7 o'lockish. So I figure, well, Michelle will be home soon, but I can't, you know, I can't sleep. So take her for a walk again, lose her again. This time I called the police. So you can check the time on that. So I'm not sure, but I did call the non-emergency line to because I didn't know if if the dog was on the dangerous dog list still. >> You didn't want to let her out the bag? >> No. >> Why not? because of the mud. >> Okay. >> So, you didn't let her out to back at all. >> I did. >> When? >> Towards the middle of the morning. >> Okay. Why then? Not earlier. >> Because I was awake. More awake than >> Is this like the middle of the night? Kind of early morning? >> No, like the middle of the morning. Like um I talked to Diane. I Facebook Diane >> and she said, "Well, just let it out the back. Don't worry about the mud." like okay. >> So you have to about this middle morning what 10 10:30. >> Yeah. Yeah. I have to check Facebook for the messages. But it was like I let her out and as soon as I got back into my room because I was up I clocked in at work at 8 something Saturday morning. >> Okay. Just before you let her out the back. >> This was after I walked her but before I let her out the back. Yes. >> Because I was up, you know, by the time the police called and said the dog was found and stopped. Like I might as well just go to work. So, >> so you clock in at 8 >> 8 something 8:17 maybe. I have to look at my time clock >> and then you you're working. >> I'm working dogs bar. I I Facebook also while I'm working cuz I have to have something going on while I'm working in order to focus. It's weird. >> Okay. >> But like a show or music or something and then sometimes I just get tired of working and Facebook somebody really quick or play Candy Crush. Facebook tell my boss. Well, they probably know cuz she sees me on there. She's on Facebook, too. So, Oh, so I'm Facebooking Diane. I'm like, you know, she's not here. I'm taking care of the dog driving me up the wall. I was walking it because of the mud. She said, "Don't worry about the mud." >> She let the dog out the back. >> Yes, I did. >> And then what happened? >> As soon as I walked back in, the dog was like crying, screaming at the door to be let back in. I'm like, "Really?" So I just open the door back in. >> So you didn't have to go out in the backyard? >> No, >> you weren't out in the backyard at all with the building. >> Um Friday I was >> How about Saturday morning? >> No. Then I clocked off of work around 11 something. Took another nap. Clock back in. Work till almost time to go to work for 8. >> Clock off at 11. >> 11 something on Saturday. Yes. like a lunch break >> and then napped >> and then you got up to go to Burger King. What time was it? >> Well, I got up and then worked until I had to go to Burger King. >> What time did you clock? >> I clocked back in around 3. I worked until after 5. Got ready to go. Got to Burger King at 6:00 and the officer got me at 7:00. So clock around work till we get >> 5:09 maybe even to work at 6 >> at Burger King. Yes. >> I'd have to look at my time clock for that because I just I don't pay attention. I as long as it says 40 by the end of the day the option. >> Yes. now kind of want you to go back over everything so in case we missed anything you told us the first time or something was wrong or anything like that. >> My sister-in-law told me to think really hard about everything >> because yeah, we've been busy since then. Okay. And like I told you uh the other night when I talked, I know it's late. We've been checking everything out, okay? And there's quite a few holes in some of the things you've been telling us. We've got some information from neighbors, people, people that we've talked to. Okay. Uh that indicates you're not being totally truthful with us. Okay. Now, there was a neighbor that called and this has been all over the news as far as you know, Michelle, okay, that they saw you in the backyard Saturday morning chasing the dog, trying to shoot back the house. Why would they tell us that? >> I have no idea. >> But you weren't in the backyard at all >> on Saturday. No. >> How about Friday? >> Yes. >> Because the dog wouldn't come back in. >> I thought you said you guys were in the garage. >> There. I said this Saturday, too. I said it to your your other >> I was here. >> Yes. that um she was wearing slippers, right? >> And the dog was being a puppy and jumping back and forth and I was already dressed to pick up Amanda. So, I went out and grabbed her by the collar and brought her back in. >> What kind of slippers will she wear? Brown ones. How about the NASCAR slippers? >> Okay. >> What are they? >> I don't They're brown ones. >> Don't pay attention to that much. Well, you knew she had slippers on. So, you haven't paid attention to something like that. >> Well, I could see she had Everybody has slippers on when they go in the garage. >> And I know she had slippers on because we sat down. Not in the house. >> You don't wear shoes in the house? >> Not supposed to. >> Okay. >> I do in my room, you know, coming in, whatever. I usually just kick it off though. >> So, no one wears shoes in the house. >> Not much. No. >> Well, you left for work for Burger King. Were all the doors locked? >> Yes. >> You're positive. >> No. >> Why? But you always lock the door. >> I do. That's why I'm saying yes. >> But you're not positively wrong. >> I can't be 100% no. >> Okay. But Michelle wasn't there. >> No. >> She wasn't in the house anyway. >> No. >> Okay. But when we got there, the front door was unlocked. >> You were the last one to leave. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I did go back Saturday. I even told them I forgot my Neosporin and my cigarettes and I turned around from Burger King and went back and then raced right back to work and clocked in at 5:59. >> Okay. >> Okay. You can ask them that, too. >> Okay. All right. So maybe I on in my race back to work. Maybe that's why I said I wasn't. >> Did you put the dog in the bedroom >> before he left? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So all day Saturday or Friday? Wow. >> Yeah. Cuz you got home Friday afternoon. Michelle wasn't there. >> So you're the only one to put the dog in the bedroom or let the dog out. >> Yes. Did you notice any blood spatter? >> No, I heard there there was, but when I'm home, I don't wear my contacts. It's dark in my room. >> How about when you're reading? >> I just have that lamp on. >> Say anything about your book. Your books? >> No. put that smatter on your books. >> The books you said you were reading. >> Both of them. >> Notice that. >> No, I know. I grabbed them in a hurry on my way to Burger King to put them in my gym bag to take remember to take back. >> Okay. So, you have two books with your Burger King. >> Yes. In my bag. >> In your bag. What else is in your bag? >> Um, pair of pants that I wore to the gym when I used to go and some smiley face socks. >> Okay. What were those from? Why were those in the bag? >> Because I wear them and stuff. >> Okay. Was there a talent there? >> Yeah. But I don't remember. >> There was a talent. >> Okay. >> Okay. Like I said, we search your car. We search the whole apartment, okay? We found your books in the car. The ones you said you were reading, okay? That were in your apartment and had blood on it, okay? The towel in your bag had blood on it. Not fresh blood, but you could tell was laundered. And that's what the crime people do. chemicals. They have everything to test that stuff. All that stuff went to the lab. >> Okay. >> There was a pop can in your car. >> Was it mine? The blood. >> Because I >> I'll find that out tomorrow. >> Okay. >> Because I did pulled. You can see where I pulled right here. And that bled when I took the dog out one time >> and there was blood splatter by the door and everything. And it's all mine. >> We know that. We're talking about the towel in the car. >> Okay. That wasn't your blood or was it? >> It probably was. >> For what? >> How about the blood splatter on your books? Could that have been your blood? >> No. Okay. >> I would have known if I bled all my books. The books I paid attention to. I keep clean my books. >> There was a cream soda can in your car. >> Okay. >> Just the way you describe it to me. Okay. Was it cut open? >> Okay. >> So, you're still going to stick with the story that you cut your hand on a can? >> Yes, I am. >> What was that can for you? I use more than one can >> and I cleaned them out of Dian's house or I shoved them to the back of the bottom of the garbage. >> Where do you think this can? >> I was probably trying to get rid of it from the house or it could have been from a week before >> in your car. >> Did you bleed in the car when you cut your hand >> a little? Yes. Did you clean it up? >> Not that I'm aware of. I mean, it should have been in the car, but it was on my jeans. >> Where are those jeans? >> Okay. It wasn't these jeans. >> Well, when you cut your hand, how did you stop it from bleeding to the hospital? >> I have a dish towel or it was a dish rag. >> Okay. >> You can They know. >> Put that in the biohazard. >> Yes, I put it in the biohazard at the hospital. So, you didn't bleed at home except Saturday morning when the dog got out, >> right? >> Okay. And that's on the front door, front step. >> Should be found. Okay. Blood drops in the garage. Those weren't yours, right? >> I know. >> But your footprint is the blood drops. So, you walk through the blood. >> Okay. >> How do you explain that? It's dark out there. I don't know where I'm stepping. >> But you're not I mean you're not out there smoking cigarettes in a dark garage. It's got a light. Admittedly, it's not like this. But >> I usually turn the light on or I leave the door open in the hallway. >> Well, if you had the door, even just a door open or or a light on in there, you've been able to see splotches of blood leading across the floor. >> I don't look down that much there. I I know the house. I walk I walk it all the time. Now, we've talked to numerous people who've told us that you and Michelle didn't always get along, that you've had your arguments. >> We've never had an argument >> even about the dog. >> No. Well, the dog one time I No, the dog barking I've never said nothing about. Um, one time the Tuesday before, she said she didn't know I was home. She took the dog through when I was trying to sleep and I said something, but it wasn't an argument. Has Michelle ever been irrational or mad and ranting and raving or anything like that now? >> Is there something that she could have done to you that you know you had to defend yourself? Maybe that's how your hand got cut. >> No, >> she didn't come after you with a knife or anything? >> No. >> I mean, I was even splashed by a kid at Burger King with he tried to splash me with oil. I did absolutely nothing. >> When you went >> I don't have that type of temper. When you went to the hospital for the cuts, did the They asked you how the >> Yes, I lied to them. >> What' you tell them? >> I told them I cut it on a knife because I wasn't telling them I was smoking crack and they said they actually told me that was weird, but you know, they didn't delve any further. Some of the problems that we have is Sergeant Dutton's explaining here is the towel that's in the in your car that appears to have been laundered. Did you do any laundry on Friday? >> All day Saturday. Saturday is my laundry day. >> I mean that was something that you didn't tell us. And I mean if you did all day laundry, >> wouldn't you load and my two loads? >> What' you launder? Um, my bathrobe, all my work clothes, my towels. >> How about the throw rug in your bedroom? >> Yes. >> Why did you? >> Because it was muddy from the dog. >> So when you launder that, you didn't notice all the blood that was on it? >> There was no blood on the rug. >> Are you sure? >> I'm pretty sure. >> Cuz when you water that, it doesn't come all the way out. >> I know that. >> Just like the towel. >> I know that. >> And that's so much more of the evidence. And there's blood on the the washer and dryer. >> I didn't see any blood on the washer and dryer. >> Well, >> is this conveniently not seeing or? >> No, it's dark in there. >> Well, now that I might disagree with you with cuz when the lights are on in the laundry room there, it was pretty well lit up. >> Dark daytime. You got the window there. >> Yeah. I mean, it's pretty bright in there. And I mean, we can walk in there and see that you know that there's >> I know you can. And my eye doctor is on Exchange Street. These glass, these contact lenses are new prescription. My glasses are 5 years old. >> There is a three times difference between my contact prescription and my glasses prescription. I don't see very well with my glasses and I wear those at home. I wear these to go out. I wear these to go to Burger King. That is it. That is verifiable. I can bring the glasses in even prepare them yourselves when you're prescriptions. >> When you're smoking the crack, how long does it take for the effects of that to wear off? >> It depends. >> The when you smoke the $80 worth in the afternoon or whatever, when do you think that that wore off? I started getting really really sleepy, right? Well, the emergency room, but I don't know if that's because of the trauma of being in the hospital or not. >> I mean, is it something that lasts until late in the evening that night or No, not >> was it something that that is only an hour long or >> Yeah. >> And when when you're smoking that stuff, do you said before that it doesn't really affect you? And >> it makes me sleepy and depressed afterwards. >> Mhm. Is it mindboggling kind of stuff where you you you lose memory or >> I've never while smoking that lost memory like no not really. >> Could it have >> I lost memory period but it has nothing to do with that. >> Could there have been a confrontation between you? >> No. I would have remembered a confrontation >> and because of the crack and everything you have the I mean it happens. I again I see it all the time where people they're smoking marijuana, they're smoking a crack, they're doing heroin, they're not really responsible for what they're doing. They do all kinds of things that are uncharacteristic for themselves. >> 10 years I've never done anything like that on them >> ever. I don't have James Bloom's phone number. >> He's on my Facebook. He's the only one I've ever spoke with. So he's the only one who could ever say anything about how I am with it. I'm I'm the one that turns around and goes to sleep. He's the one that's hyper and and pacing and stuff. >> We have different personalities. I don't know if it has to do with the slight ADD issue that I know I have or what. I mean, that could be an issue, too. But when you put all these kinds of things together, you know, crazy things happen cuz obviously, you know, the crime scene is right next to your bed. The blood is is all right next to your bed. And you know, somebody took some time to clean that stuff up. The uh when they illuminate the stuff, you probably the the scientific part of it is beyond me, but the results I understand. And you watch the CSI stuff, as unreal as that is, you know that they can lumininal stuff and see where blood has been. Well, that thing shines like, you know, the uh the Milky Way. >> So, somebody cleans stuff up. I mean, you can see where things have been moved. You can see where the books were laying and how they got splattered with blood. All that stuff shows up in in uh all the evidence and the photographs and stuff that we've taken. And we're trying to find a way to explain all that. >> And I wish >> and that happened before You know, you got there >> and I wish you could. >> Well, I hope we're going to be able to. Yeah. >> The dog the dog going upstairs. There's blood prints up the stairs from the dog paws. >> So, the dog walked through the blood to go to be put upstairs. And you said you put the dog upstairs >> several times, >> right? >> You were the only one to let the dog in and out those days. There's blood on the bottom of your shoes that we took that night. >> I was told that. >> So, I mean, those kinds of things we can't explain away. >> Well, you you know, you have to be able to help yourself now, Roxy. We can't help you. >> And there go ahead. Only way you can help yourself is to tell us what really happened. Because once you walk out of here without telling us what really happened, it's going to be up to the prosecutor and the lab to come back with all those results. They're going to put you right in the middle of everything. And there's ways for us to explain that stuff with your help. The fact that you smoke crack three times that day. There's there's ways that we can understand how stuff like this can happen without Okay. Could you have done this and not realize >> I didn't do this? >> Do you know what you did? >> No, I do not. >> I did not do this. >> It had to happen when you were there. >> No. >> No. >> I would have known something except for I didn't know she was back there. And that guy said I'm unemotional and that's why he thought I was a liar. But it's the way I am and you can have. >> I know. how you talk to your brother and your sister-in-law. They said you've had a hard time with abusive relationships. You don't show emotion and and this is a terrible terrible thing. I mean, it's that's understandable, too. And we've seen, you know, we've been police officers for a long long time. Seen lots and lots and lots of things like this. And we understand all the different possibilities that can take place that you could have gotten in a an argument with me Michelle and through self-defense stuff. I am not a violent argument person. >> Mhm. >> James was self-defense. That's why they dropped it. >> Okay. >> Because I had proof from what he did for me in West Virginia. And I didn't even hurt him. I bit him and I didn't break the skin cuz I was afraid of hurting. Do you know where the knives are upstairs in the in the kitchen? Yes. In the butcher block thing there. >> Do you know where that one knife is that's missing? >> Is it in the dish trainer? I wash dishes. >> No, we didn't find it there. Do you have any idea where it might be? >> No. And Michelle didn't have any of her friends over that night. Correct. >> I don't know. Not when I was there, though. >> Right. So when you got home, it appears that nobody's there. Michelle didn't wasn't sleeping and when you went in to rest her, she didn't come down. And >> there was a super dishes. >> You guys get in an argument or something about you know, God knows what it could have been about. >> You've been Diana said that there had been an issue about you being kicked out or she wanted you to leave at the end of the month. >> No, that actually I was happy about. >> Okay. Tell me a little bit about that. What was she owed you or you owed her money or? >> I don't owe her money anymore. No, I don't. I always pay my debts. Um late, but I pay them. >> Um she knew about the crack thing. >> Okay. >> Because I was late with the rent. >> Okay. >> And my son asked me to come clean because he can't help me from New York. >> Okay. >> I said, "Well, she might kick me out." She goes, "Well, you can go Uncle." I'm like, "Okay, he he's very sensible. I love my son. Um he's the only one that gets emotion out of me." Um, so then one day I owed her $110 like three weeks ago. By that time I was already looking for another place to live and I already told my son I don't see myself staying past April. Um, because to me it was slightly unfair. I mean, nothing to be mad about, but I'm paying half the rent. I'm living in that section, you know, and it's a a highway everybody comes through. >> Sure. Not the greatest place for privacy. >> Oh, no. There's no privacy. >> And plus, she didn't want my only friend coming over. She didn't like her. Okay. >> Who's your only friend? >> Amanda Miller. Well, I can't really say she's my She's my best friend. >> How did you guys get to know each other? >> Studio City. I was almost agorophobic. Seriously, I was getting that way. Working at home, not leaving barely except for groceries. My, you know, my son was also in New York at that time. And she drugged me out. She did. I didn't like it. I resented it at first, but she me. She probably saved me. >> Okay. >> Um even though she's younger. It's >> weird. >> Um >> did you have any resentment? >> No. >> We were talking about the fact that you still owe her the >> Yeah. Right. Okay. And I did $40 because I didn't have enough to pay her. So I got kind of depressed and that week I just did $40 cuz I only got like 70 bucks from Burger King. And I told her about it and she goes, "Well, I think you should go. You already paid for the month of March." And this was towards the end of February because I paid her early. I paid her the rent early. I'm like, "That's fine." I didn't even raise an eyebrow. I'm like, "That's fine." I told myself, "Oh, okay. Good. I'll turn in my 401k, pay the loan early, and I already started looking at apartments in Dover." >> Why don't you? flight over. >> I kind of picked it out of the map. It wasn't as far as I didn't want to get close to James in case something we got back together. I want to stay there, but I wanted a small town, a cute town, something I've never tried before and and it just it looked adorable. I So, I started looking at rent prices and they were reasonable and I can move anywhere in Ohio. It didn't piss you off that you after kind of the crappy conditions that you lived with over at that apartment for a while, then now she's kicking you out because of the >> and you didn't have any resentment towards Diana and >> I had six weeks from the time she said that was plenty of time. There was no resentment. >> What Why did you or what kind of feelings were you going through that for three times on that Friday that you decided to smoke crack? Was that a common thing or was there something going on in inside that you know you're depressed? >> It was a small Burger King check. I had really no bills that day. I knew that my next pay I was going to pay my loan and my car payment and so I could recycle my 401k loan so I wouldn't had no money then. So I'm like, "Well, it'll be my last time." That's what was going through my head. >> Does that mean that's a lot of crackers smoke in one day? I've done 600 in one day before. >> Is that right? So maybe you got more problem than I'm thinking. >> No. Well, yes. It I'm a binge addict. >> Uhhuh. >> Do you know what that is? >> Mhm. >> I don't need it every day. >> But when you do >> But when I have money, I do. >> And then when I'm broke, it's over and that's it. Okay. >> So, did you talk to your son Friday or Saturday? >> Oh gosh. Facebook more than likely every day. >> Remember what you wrote or >> no? No, I can't remember. >> Would you lie to your son >> sometimes? But I always wind up telling him the truth. Like I said, a lot of people out there, this news is all over the place, whatever it's called. >> Are you carrying any extra burdens now? Is there anything that's other than I know you're looking for a place to live right now? >> Actually, less burdens now >> or any stress or anything that that that you're going through or >> less stress these days because I knew I knew I was going I liked the town. I've driven to the town. Um, my son and I, we were planning a cruise. If >> Diana saw you right now, what do you think she'd say? >> I don't know. She's a grieving mother. I have no idea what she would say to me. I had never dealt with that kind of situation. >> Do you have feelings for Diana? As I mean, are you guys close friends? I know Amanda is your best friend. >> Are you guys close at all or were you >> We haven't been No, we've only touched once. We've actually only hugged once ever. Not even physically, but I mean emotionally you guys support each other or mentally or I mean you do stuff together. I know you said you're a longer. >> How about Michelle? Did you guys ever were you guys close or friends or >> I hadn't seen her for 20 years from the time they were babies, my son and her till last year? >> Did you have any I mean family feelings for Michelle or No. >> How do you feel since she's dead? I hurt for her mother. >> What do you think about all this? >> I don't know what to think still. >> And what do you think should happen to when we get the person that's done this? What do you think should happen? >> I don't know cuz I don't know the situation. >> Well, she was violently murdered in your bedroom next to your bed. with her blood on your possessions and her blood in your car and your her blood on your shoes. Her blood was in my car. >> I believe we're going to find that out. And that we can't explain away unless you can come up with some truths. >> And if that happens, that can only lead us to one conclusion. >> You said I could have my car back today. No, I said I have it back soon as we get a release from the BCI. >> There's still evidentiary value to that for us and things that we can't explain which we were kind of hoping maybe you could help us with. >> I mean, look at it from our point of view. >> I do. >> Sure. >> I even told them Saturday. I do. >> There's no reason for Michelle's blood to be in your car. What are we supposed to do when they call us and say that it is in your car? >> I don't know. I >> mean, nobody else uses your car, correct? >> You said there was blood in my room. Could it have gotten on my bag? Is it on my bag? >> It's all over your room. >> Yes, but was it on my bag in the car? >> You mean the paper bag or whatever? The >> red that carry bag. >> It's red. It was a carry bag >> on my dresser. at that time cuz I'm packing, I'm moving, I'm shifting stuff everywhere. Rox, there was a violent struggle in your bedroom and in the laundry room area. There was a lot of blood. Okay. There's two types of blood that was in there. And we know that much so far. part of that process. We'll probably find out sometime tomorrow, hopefully by tomorrow afternoon. If any of that blood is yours, if any of her blood is connected with it or on your stuff and your clothes and your shoes. Now, if that happens tomorrow, there's nothing we can do to help you. You can talk to us today and tell us what happened. We can help you as much as we can. What happened? >> And we think we can explain away some of this stuff if you'll just let us know what happened. >> You know, we can fill in some of the blanks and and see how some of this stuff goes. But we can't do that until you start to open up and let us know. And I think it is a burden on you. And I think you do want to tell somebody. And I think you do want to let go. Even if you guys weren't close or you weren't close with Diana, it's another human being and it's a young human being >> that took a very violent turn and you know, you don't seem like a a bad person. >> Goofy people have, you know, they're living humans, loving people. >> Amusing. >> I mean, was she goofy enough? >> No, she >> I mean, >> I like to be used. >> Does that bother you? No, I don't. I love to be mused. That's one of my favorite things for the past 20 years is I love to be mused. >> But do you hear what I'm saying? Is that >> that we're trying to help in in her memory give closure to Diana for losing her daughter. Help you if there was something that happened that night, you know, that we can explain through. And down the road, you know, people that take responsibility for what they do always do better than those that deny, deny, deny, deny until the very end. when nobody can help him. Who do you think did? >> Can anyone help? >> Well, we, you know, like we told you before, >> you can go anytime you want. >> We can't. We're not holding you here. You're not under arrest or anything like that. We're trying, we're actually, believe it or not, and people don't believe it, we're actually trying to help you. >> Is your blood pressure people still here? >> We can get connected to a fire department. Do you need a blood pressure check? >> I don't know. I'm shaking, though. >> I see. I see that. And that's what I'm saying. I think you need to let go with this. You need to release some of this stuff. >> I need a cigarette. >> Get the birds to >> They don't let any of us smoke anywhere around here. >> I didn't even finish the one cuz I can't smoke at my and I and I was smoking out front and I said no. And I just put it and I didn't finish. And >> you came in here calm, collected, and finded. And look at yourself now. >> Yes. >> I think it's very close to being >> because I'm coming out >> called a liar. We're not calling you a liar. Again, we're trying to help. >> We're just we're trying to figure out what happened in your life and explain away the questions that we have and but a lot of that a lot of that all of that comes from has to start from you or come from you and your demeanor the you know the nervousness and again I think it's a huge burden of what happened. I don't think you're a bad person at all. I think the crack had something to do with it. I think the situation, the environment had something to do with it. And I think once you'd let that go, you would feel 100% better. >> I would like to smoke now. >> We can't smoke in here. >> Really nothing we can do about that. >> I know that. >> Do I go smoke outside? >> Do you have cigarettes with you? >> Yes. I bought a lot. I quit last week and I >> the people at Burger King when they knew I couldn't. >> Do you drink coffee? I don't think that would be appropriate at this moment. >> Okay. A cup. Can we get you some a glass of water? >> Water might be nice. >> Let me get you at least a glass of water. >> You need to escort me outside cuz I came in voluntarily, but I'm not going anywhere at this moment. >> No, I mean, if you want to go outside and smoke, we can go outside. Get your cigarettes with you. >> Sorry. Let me get you get you. >> Might as well go out the back door. >> Actually, >> I have to be to work in a half an hour. >> 6. >> Maybe I should go. I have to be to work in a half an hour. >> Remember what I told you? Want to get this cleared up now to help yourself? Do it right now. Tomorrow could be a different day. There's no way we can help you tomorrow. I can be able to help you today. Get this burden off your chest. >> If you need a blood pressure check, we can have a blood pressure checked up for you. You want us to do that before you leave. >> Is it better before or after before? Let's go. You >> want to do what? >> Yes, please. >> You can actually sit right here and I'll have him come right here and do it. My detective said, "We're here to help." Okay. We're here to help you. We're here to help Diana and her family. >> I was told that's what you were going to say. [sighs] >> Not that I believe other people because I don't always. >> They tell you what happened. >> You know what they say about, you know, advice from 10,000 different people. Although I didn't talk to 10,000 different people because it's not something you just talk about. >> They tell you to be truthful. >> They said not to say anything. Period. But I don't know how to not do that. >> They usually say that to guilty people. They say don't say anything. You know why? Because they know >> they get more money that way. Especially if you turn. >> So what did I do? I had to ask >> away here in one second. had to ask somebody I knew was a con. But >> I mean, if you ask guilty people, they'll tell you not to talk. Okay? They'll tell you not to say anything. But we're telling you any help we can give you now is going to be here and now. It's going to show remorse. It's going to show, you know, that you want to cooperate, that you want to get this all behind you. Tomorrow it's going to look like you've denied 999 and you know all falls in your court and it shows that you know her blood is in your car and your blood is on her. You know there's not the prosecutor you know they're going to go for the full thing right now. We can you know go to bat for you a little bit and say she came in on her own. She talked to us on her own. She was honest with us. This is what happened. Love you. >> And why it happened? That that's a big thing that we can get is how and why. And that's probably what most people want to know anyway. Why did it happen? tell us what she did, you know, that caused this whole thing to to get out of hand or or if she didn't do anything and this was a spur-of the- moment thing and it just happened. Again, that that can even be explained away. And like I said, you know, it's a huge burden when when people let that stuff go, it's like the the skies have cleared up. And even though there's consequences down the road, you know, you're at the beginning stages of taking care of yourself and looking out for yourself in that the position. And we're again people don't believe when we say that, but we actually are here to help you in that respect. We're here for justice for Michelle. >> You do seem very genuine. >> I'm usually >> You're two of the nicest guys in the department, right? I'm usually a good except for if I'm sleeping with you, a good judge of character. >> Well, >> except for my last husband. He was a He was a good man. Awesome. >> We are actually pretty genuine and sincere guys. And we're not trying to fool anybody. We're not trying to trick anybody. We're trying to explain away facts that we know. Get them in a in a a pattern or a story, you know, of truth that's believable. And again, that that only starts with you. and we we can help finish it up and we can understand it and I mean again we've seen a lot but it has to start with you and I think you're going to feel better also all the way down the line everybody makes out when the when the truth comes out and it's tough to break through that one barrier here comes get them in My blood pressure at the hospital is actually low. It was 143 over 97. >> Well, maybe the crack does it to you. It helps you out. You say it makes you calmer. >> It's weird. I know. Most people, they have a a mindset of what it does to people. Now, snorting cocaine in the 80s, that was a totally different story. >> Everything is different. Everyone's affected differently by different things. >> This is Roxan. >> Hi, ma'am. Roxan, I'm Captain Griffin from the fire department. You need your blood pressure taken? >> Yes, it does. >> Okay. You have a history of blood pressure problems? >> Yes, sir. >> You take medicine for >> supposed to. >> Okay. Sorry. >> You're supposed to, but you haven't been taking it. >> Correct. >> Are you out of it? on and off. >> Okay. Do you have any other medical problems? >> No. >> Okay. >> How you feeling right now? You have a headache or anything? >> Getting there. >> Boy, that stuff is almost too big for you. >> That's okay. I have that same problem. >> Did you a little woman? >> I will. Just her demographics. >> I'll make you copy. >> Perfect. I've ever seen. No, it's not. >> Sorry. That's going to be a little tight. >> I know. Used to I'm good. >> You're a little high, but I'm concerned it might be the cuff. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. You're 152 over 120. Um, but I like to go get a bigger cuff. >> Sure. >> 120 is not good. 152 is okay for me, but 120 is not good. >> If you don't have the correct size cuff, though, that'll artificially inflate that. So, you guys just give me a minute and I'll be right back. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> All right. >> [clears throat] >> The first one could be stressed. The second one's always hard. >> In case you >> I work for AMR. >> What do you do for AMR? >> I build for them. >> Okay. How long you been doing that? >> Five years. >> You like it? >> Three months. I love >> Better be in a position where you hate what you're doing every day. I even kind of like Burger King. >> How long have you worked there? >> September 18th. >> I only remember it's my son's birthday. >> Is that one stayed pretty busy? >> No. >> No. >> I worked at the McDonald's once for my last cruise downtown >> by the university. So if you ask that this Burger King's busy, I have to laugh. >> Oh, is that right? because that place nightmare >> especially when they lend the rubber stadium or whatever to the kids high school >> the rubber bowl playing or the I don't know what they call >> infosision >> there you go very good >> and they open the doors >> and if you've seen it lately down there they've built up >> oh where yeah the sub place was that's all going now that's all student housing highrise or not highrise but midrises I went to that college. It was like an eighth of the size. >> Oh, yeah. It's huge. It's actually substantial amount. It's pretty impressive. >> Plus, it's I think it's a fairly decent school. It's pretty well respected. It's got a better reputation than it ever has. >> Yeah. >> Especially under graduated there. >> Holy crap. >> Where'd you get your degree? >> Social work. You're a kind, caring person. Think about >> Well, you know, that's explained a little bit by your relationships. Your brother said, you know, when you're abusive relationship for so long, sometimes >> my dad wasn't very emotional. >> Sometimes they get passed on >> and there's nothing wrong with that. That certainly doesn't mean that those people that don't show emotions don't have emotions. >> Return internalize. >> Exactly. I was just going to say and my dad was like that and he had freaking heart attack and it you know in the end it hurt him. Yes. When you keep that stuff inside which is we don't need to share our stuff with everyone here. When you internalize stuff like that, all it does is is hurt yourself, you know, and when you let that stuff go and let that out, that's when you you start to free up and you get to again see the the release of the stress and the the hardship and the hardship and, you know, all the the bad stuff that goes along with that. You know, I've sat with a lot of people and talked with them and at the end they say, you know, when it's all said and done, they come back and thank me for, you know, even though you're the police, it's it felt so good to tell the the truth. >> I got nothing against the police. >> Oh, good. I appreciate that. But it just makes them feel so much better when they can tell somebody and talk to someone about it. A couple different sizes. >> You brought you brought Bertha. >> Brought two different ones just to see. Let's try this one first. Okay. >> One time at the dentist, they wouldn't even clean my teeth. >> They took my blood pressure. >> Cuz your blood pressure was up. >> I've had that same thing. >> How long How long has it been since you've been out of medicine? >> Well, I took some last week. >> Okay. >> Although, a few last month. >> So, it would not be unusual for your blood pressure. Once it was 210 over 107. >> I don't even get it checked anymore. >> Almost waiting to happen. >> That's not something you want to cut. Keep going. >> And they smoke like a chimney. better. >> 142 over 98. >> Okay, >> that's not too bad, huh? >> No, not for me. >> Okay. >> Any allergies to any medicine? >> Cody. >> Okay. Anything else? >> Scalps. >> Okay. And anything besides high blood pressure >> besides medical history? No. >> Diabetic? Anything like that? >> No. >> Okay. And you are you currently not taking any medicine at all? >> Nothing. >> Okay. And everything on here is current. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I don't know. >> Is your address state? >> Probably not anymore. >> Yeah. She's probably staying somewhere different now. >> Okay. 8169. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. Do you need my insurance information? Not at all. >> Okay. >> We do this kind of stuff all day. >> There's water. >> Gotcha. >> Okay. >> Thank you for coming down. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah. >> All right. You guys want some more water? >> No. >> Okay. Is there any more questions? [snorts] >> We just want you to help yourself >> and help us help us understand. unburn yourself. Get it off your chest. Just tell us what happened. You're going to feel a lot better. You'll be able even if it's in a moment moment of weakness and you just go crazy, stuff like that can still be explained. >> I know that. >> Work. >> Yeah, exactly. You should know. And it happens all the time. And those aren't bad people. There's bad situations and bad moments. There's lots of bad moments in life and don't let one bad moment, you know, ruin the whole life and the beginning of that is kind of right here. >> If I had money, I would have had a somebody illegally to speak with now. >> Yeah. And how would that help you though? I mean, what what what would you tell them that you can't tell us? >> Cuz they could just tell me what to say. >> Well, you know what to say. I think you do know what to say. And what and what do you what's he saying? >> And how to act? >> You tell the truth. You can't go wrong by telling the truth. >> I know. Well, >> you can do you can do a terrible terrible thing. And when you lie about it, the lies become as bad as what happened. When you tell the truth, that negates part of the badness because you take responsibility for it. Yes, this happened. This is what I did. This is why I did it. And people can understand that. when you lie about it and then down the road somebody finds out about the lies which always happens. People always find out the truth always comes out in the end they say and it does and then the proof comes out and the lab results and it puts you right where you're not supposed to be and then it looks like you're lying all along whereas you can let it >> just think what it means to people if you come out and tell the truth on your own without being prompted. It's it's all on you. That that's that speaks volumes and says tremendous amount about the person that you are when you can take responsibility. Yes, there we're not going to lie to you. We're we're realists here. There's going to be consequences. Things are going to happen. There's no doubt about that. But those consequences and those things that happened can be minimized >> and they happen under your control and not by the prosecutor or anybody else >> or having somebody tell you what happened and proven that this is what happened and you still won't say you know that those are all bad juju things. When you come out with the truth on your own, again, that speaks volumes about the kind of person you are. And down the road to judges, to juries, to everybody else that's involved with this thing all the way down the road. That says a lot. That helps a lot. That gives people so much more faith in you. Again, you know, I don't know you. I don't think you're a bad person at all. I think something happened. Again, that was a moment of very, very bad stuff happened. But that can all be overcome. It's not the end of the world. I can't minimize it because, you know, it was a bad thing. But we can do damage control. At this point here, we're able to do damage control. >> That's what they said Saturday. >> And you can tell and that hasn't gone anywhere. That hasn't really changed. You can tell it your side. You can tell it your way rather than us putting the story to you, the lab technicians and the prosecutor going, "Well, this is what happened and this is what happened and this is what happened." when in all reality you can say no this is what happened >> and this is why >> and this is why >> and this is how >> and this is this is why it took place and if we have to put the story together to tell you how it happened or tell everybody else how it happened and that's not how it did happen and you know and then now you want to tell what happened that's when people say well she didn't you know why didn't she say that right up front why should we believe her now when she wouldn't come forward before and say it you know what makes you think that, you know, you guys showed what happened, blah, blah, blah. Now, she's come up with a story. At this point in time, you're the story. This all comes from you. And we can I know it's hard to believe and you know, you're listening to me and you don't know me, but we can put I mean, we can explain lots of things away and we can actually help. And when those consequences do come up, it's going to be a lot easier than if everyone has to show this is what happened and make up what they think happened instead of what you said happened and we can, you know, minimize the consequences to some extent. >> At least get them going in your favor, >> right? I mean, I mean, have you watched TV programs and shows where you knew that person wasn't telling the truth and you knew >> those are actors? >> No, I'm not I'm not I'm talking about the real life shows. the reality show. >> When you look at the reality shows, >> you know, and you can tell when someone, you know, and then >> they never get their chance to tell, you know, tell their side of the story because >> or not believable, >> right? the people that have to put it together, the lab technicians, the uh evidence collectors, the prosecutor, the coroner, they're going to put it all together. And it's their sterile way of saying that this is what happened instead of hearing it, you know, from you. And so now, well, this is what this is what really happened. This >> these are the real circumstances. as a social worker, you know, which story is going to be better or somebody with a background in that that's still that's still something that's still you're still educated with it towards that end. Do you want the scientific program of just technicalities and facts and black and white or do you want the human profile of of the story of actually what happened for it could have be begun Friday morning and and with all the crack deals and all the things that were going on that only you know about you know we wish that we could tell you that stuff but we can't because the human part of this is you and that's the stuff that we don't know and that's the only thing that that that you can add to this whole thing to give it believability and explainability and and we can't do that. We're going to rely on technicalities, facts, black and white facts from whereas when it comes from you and it's the truth, you know, there there's no other story and that but that all that's all that's the human part of this job. is, you know, we deal a lot with people in tremendous stressful situations and help them through that. And we really do. But it all starts right here, you know, and you know, we're trying to pull it out of you. We're actually not trying to pull it out of you. We're trying to get you to actually relieve yourself of the burden. >> I think you want to do that. >> Better than calling me a flat out liar like that. Well, [clears throat] and I I don't, you know, I don't look at you as a liar. I look at you as somebody that maybe is afraid to to tell the truth because of an embarrassment, because of regret. And those are all important things that we need to know. Yes, your honor. When she told us she was truthful, you could tell she was remorseful. You could tell that she wasn't this maniac terrible, terrible person. This was something that she she was embarass because I don't show emotion much. That might put a a h >> whether I'm innocent or guilty or whatever that right there. Don't show emotion, >> but you still can tell the truth tell a story. >> That's where you can help yourself. >> Yeah. >> Okay. By telling us what happened. >> You can add the emotion to it from your story. I mean, I can tell just from you sitting here since you had your blood pressure taken and you're thinking about it and it looks like you're deep in thought and and it just looks like you just want to tell us what what what you want to tell us. You're a lot calmer. You're a lot more in control. You're not shaking as much because I think you you want to let it out and you just want want to come clean. >> Trust us a little bit. Tell Sergeant Dutton and Detective Gddis what happened. Let them be the guys your go-to guys for this. you know, confide in us >> because >> because we are concerned about you. >> When the facts come out, the true facts come out and the lab tests come back, it's going to be too late for us to, you know, to be able to get your story out the way. It it should be right now without any proof, without any help you through, >> anything pushing you through it. This is going to be on your own your own free will. >> And I didn't want to sound cold or anything, but I have to go to work. >> That's okay. >> Would you like to do that? >> That's legitimate. >> Would you like to do that on a clean conscience, or would you like to carry this burden with you even longer? >> I just like to work. >> And work's an outlet, right? >> Always. >> What else is an outlet? You're leaving yourself a burden. So, can I go to work now? >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Will you think about what we told you? >> Yes, sir. >> Would you come back to us? >> Not tonight. I don't get off till 1:00 in the morning. >> If you feel you want to talk to us at 1:00 in the morning. >> If you called me at 1:00 in the morning, I would meet you down here to talk to you. Believe me. >> Let me give you my card. If you ever need to talk, I don't know if Let me know what names that you have of all the officers you've talked to and detectives. >> Gaffne and Dun. Is it Dun or >> Dun? Dun. >> Dun with an N. >> Right. >> Okay. I'm sorry. I wrote it down. >> This is me. It's town. >> Not bad with names. >> And if you need to get a hold of any officer here, all you all you have to do is call them and they can always get a hold of us. >> But if you want to if you've got to talk at 2 in the morning or 3 in the morning, we're here for you. If I forget your favorite thing, I'm sorry. >> That's okay. Tom, I'm the only Tom here. >> I had a great >> We're the guy that the guy does narcotics. I'm the only guy here that's doing narcotic stuff. So, >> I can't say I have a horrible memory issue, but since the kicks in the head, >> one more thing. Let me just say one more thing. And again, I don't This is between us, Roxan. I think we're very, very, very close here and we can help you. I I'm being sincere and honest with that. At this point in time, we can't help you. I think you're going to feel a million% better if you let us know what happened. Are you feeling me? Do you believe me? >> I believe you. >> Okay. And again, if you need to talk to him or me at any time, just let us know. I hope that we're going to have the opportunity to talk again and and help you out. All right. and we appreciate you coming in. >> You have any questions for us? I may not be there.