One roommate just got out of jail. >> $35, a pocket knife, and two completely different stories about what happened next. A fight over cigarette money, a knife, and two conflicting stories. Police arrest one roommate, but the real question is, who's telling the truth? >> And he moved in with us. Well, nothing but problems been happening. They stay up all night drink drunk. They go to work drunk. >> Okay. >> But they went to the reservation and got cigarettes. They were they were supposed to take us, but I asked him to get me a carton. Brought come in, gave me the carton Rob did. And then he went out in the garage. And then he come storming in the house like a animals. Go, "Where's my Where's $21?" I said, "When I when I go right up to the ATM, I'll give you the other $10, you know?" >> One of my three. >> And um That's when he went out. He pulled the knife out. Um >> Yeah, I'm going to start this one for now. >> It it clipped >> 1650 >> kicked underneath the thing. My wife got in the middle and she tried to push Rob off. >> So, he doesn't have the knife now? >> Uh they did. >> But he doesn't he doesn't have it right now? >> Yeah, he does. >> Okay, so he >> Yeah, he ended up getting it. >> He he got it back. >> When he asked when he kicked underneath the chair, he went down in there to get it. >> Okay. >> And so he pulled he pulled the knife out. >> Yeah. >> Did he say anything? >> Yeah, he said he's going to kill me. He asked my wife to >> Stay right there for me. Okay, you got anything in your pocket? You got a knife or anything? >> I [clears throat] got my pocket knife here. >> Okay, that's it. Okay, I'm just going to hold on to that while we talk, okay? Is that all right? >> Money, wallet, cigarettes, phone. >> Okay, so what happened? Did you Did you guys go in there and argue with him or what happened? >> I went in asked him for my money and he went to hit me with his cane. >> Okay. He swung his cane at you? >> Yeah. >> Did you pull your knife out at any point? >> I wouldn't guess then it it on the floor and opened but I didn't pull it out and hurt anybody. >> Was it this knife? >> Yes. >> Okay. Did it open up like this? >> No. >> No, don't grab it. >> No. >> asking. >> in half in half. >> Okay, so you never unfolded it? >> No. >> Okay. >> Never opened it for nothing. It fell out of fell off my pants. >> you went to grab it. You went to grab it, it fell on the floor. >> Listen closely. First, he says he never opened it. Seconds later, it's just a little bit. That's a small change, but a jury would notice. >> or >> Yeah. >> Was it open at any point? >> It opened up like this. >> And he pulled I was I was over here and he commenced swinging it and saying you're going to [ __ ] kill me getting my money blah blah blah. So I went and got $21 I had in my wallet and I told him I'm going to the store. I've given him another $10 out of the debit card. And uh so I come over here and that's when he pulled the knife out and it went down underneath there and I kicked it. My wife got the middle and she pushed him out the door. >> Okay. Did he actually open it up at any point? >> Yeah, yeah, it was opened up. >> He had it fully opened up and he was holding it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> No, no. >> No? >> No, my change fell out. I didn't use it. I had Let's see. >> Okay. Did you have that with you at the time? >> I had it I had it all day. >> And you didn't swing that at him at any point during any of this? Oh, he's giving me a version of it. I just like to hear what you have to say. That's all. >> I can't. >> You didn't swing your cane at me. You never did. Rob was going to swing at him and then he said, "Come on, you want to fight me?" And then they both, you know, put their hands up. >> Okay. >> But nobody swung and then Rob reached in his pocket and grabbed the knife and when he went to pull it out I picked up quick, you know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> I don't know if it's a switchblade. >> Yeah, so did you get a good look at it? >> Yeah, that's it. >> This is it? >> All you got to do is go like that and it opens, right? >> Well, >> push the button? >> not too easy. It No, you don't have to push a button or anything, but it's not the easiest thing to open. Yeah, that's You push That's it? >> Yeah. >> So when he pulled it out, did he actually he got it He got it He got it open though? >> Oh, yeah, it was open. I had to get in the middle of him. I didn't know if he was going to stab me or not. >> Now, think about this. She didn't just watch it happen. She stepped in between them. People don't do that unless they truly believe someone could get hurt. >> statement that kind of hurts what we're doing here. Just trying to understand. So >> state I want him arrested and I want him out of this house. >> So you're going to you're going to give me a statement about everything? >> Yep. >> Okay. All right. >> Yeah. >> Um >> And I don't want him back here. I want him ordered toxic. Everything at Oka? >> I want him back here. >> All right. If you want to just wait out here. >> Yeah. >> All right, Robert, can you stand up for me? >> Why? >> Stand up for me. All right, you're under arrest, okay? >> Why? He's going to threaten me. >> All right, how much you had to drink tonight, Robert? >> Quite a bit. >> Quite a bit? >> Mhm. >> Quite a bit for you or quite a bit in general? >> Quite a bit in general. >> Okay. >> Can I just come in? I drink all of it every >> Yeah. But problem is is he is really drunk. >> That is Drunk enough that they won't take him. >> Yeah, about double that. >> Oh, what? Like above a four? >> I If I'm reading that thing right, he's a 57. Really high. I'm like, >> Did he just drink right before? >> Yeah, he did. >> up. >> Uh just before I put him in handcuffs, he was shipping on something. Yeah, so maybe that's part >> Excuse me. >> Were you inside when all this happened or were you out here? >> I explained to you >> Oh. Where did you see what happened? >> I I've been out here the whole time. >> You were out here the whole time? >> Yeah, I I just got out of my car right before I went in with someone right in >> Yeah. All right, so you you didn't actually see what happened up inside the house? >> Rob came out and said he's going to hit him with a cane. That's >> Well, it's helpful for our case if someone who is not part of the fight gives us an account of what happened. Um we can come in and fill that out with you if you if you're willing to. Um but it would be it would be helpful to have your account because you weren't part of the whole incident. >> I'm surprised that my husband even did that because he's been in prison before for a long time and for him to call the cops on somebody. >> Well, I guess that means he's pretty upset. Yeah, he was scared. Yeah, exactly. So >> I mean, I am lucky I didn't get stabbed getting in the middle of it cuz I was worried. >> Okay. >> You know? >> Well, that that probably says something. So maybe you should consider that, you know, deciding which way you want to go with this, you know. >> Mhm. Let me ask my son. He's on the phone right now, so >> Okay. Called us, you mean? >> Yeah, because he's done his prison a long time. He's not a cop caller. But in the long run, he's going to end up taking it out on me. You heard him say that. >> Okay. Well, I could >> I die? He said What did you say when he walked away? >> Wait. Whatever you tell me right now, I'm going to talk to him when I go out there and I'm going to tell him that he needs to just drop it and let it go, whatever decision you make, cuz I don't like you. >> What did he say when he walked away? I want to know that. >> I can't I can't remember exactly what he said. >> he's going to get you. I'll get you. >> He said something along those lines. I don't remember exactly what. Like I said, he's asked for the order of protection, so we're there will be one granted tomorrow. Well, but what it means is you keep your doors locked. If he shows up here, you just call us and we can take him away just for being on the property. You can keep the door >> Rob could bring them back. We don't know. >> Right. >> his [ __ ] >> But you keep the doors locked, keep everything, you know, sealed up and he shows up here. >> Yeah. So where we going now? >> I'm going to go to the county jail. >> All right. I'll get some AC on for you, okay? >> Yeah, she's willing to give a statement, so yeah, she's right there in the living room. >> All right. >> Uh so she saw everything, just make sure you get um the knife and then what he was saying. >> Okay. >> Uh we've got the knife and everything like that. So I mean she's pretty basic, just get the get the particulars from her. >> So what happens in court? The key question is simple. Was the knife open? Rob says it only fell and opened a little. Bob and his wife say it was fully open and that Rob threatened to kill him. Under New York law, that could mean menacing or at the very least harassment. >> [sighs] >> Prosecutors don't need a confession, but they do need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Here, they have a body cam, a knife and two witnesses who tell the same story. In cases like this, many end in a plea deal, a lesser charge, probation or a short jail term and a permanent order of protection. But every case is different and Rob is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Two roommates, one carton of cigarettes and a knife that may have changed everything. The facts will be decided by a judge, not by us. But one thing is clear, the truth almost always comes down to what a camera caught and who was brave enough to speak up. Do you think the knife was open or did it just fall? Tell us in the comments. And if you want more real police body cam stories, subscribe to Patrol Vault and hit the bell so you never miss the next one.