It's him. There is no way it's him. >> Well, it is. >> The DNA tells us that it it was his DNA on you. >> The the DNA alone says it's him. >> And when we talked to him, confront him with the DNA, >> what happened. >> He 100% it was just James. >> James was 2 hours late. >> We have the rental records from 2016 [snorts] for the vehicle that he used. >> Why? >> Because we went and looked for it. Cuz he told me. Because I was talking to him. >> Well, that's clear. You were talking to him. I don't >> This is my fault. Because I was talking to him. I just can't. >> We have to control what we can control. No. >> Read in California, November 2016. She came home saying two women had kidnapped her, held her at gunpoint, and left her badly injured. Everyone wanted to believe her. Then detectives found something they couldn't explain away. James Reyes DNA. And suddenly the question wasn't who kidnapped her, but whether she was ever kidnapped at all. >> So, so if if you want Keith to leave, I'll ask Keith nicely to leave. If you don't want Keith to leave, then he can sit here. Press on >> and we'll we'll move on to the next stages. >> But I want to give you that opportunity first. But obviously everything's fearful. If you tell him to leave and what I'm going to say is benign, then then he's going to we can pull him back in the room like, "Hey Keith, come here. This is what this is what we talked about." Um, so so that that fear of him wigging out why why is she trying to hide something from me? There isn't. If there's been help me. >> Yeah. There's no trick here. We're just trying to make sure that >> don't pull the stop because you can't be to talk to us truthfully. >> They're asking you. They're not asking me. Obviously, I I would want to be here and whatever needs to come out >> and you can change your mind at the future, too. If you want to change >> it's going to get up. So, >> like I said in the beginning, you're free to go. So, if you wanted to chat with them privately, that's fine, too. But we want to talk to you >> and we can leave the room, give you guys the room for a couple minutes. Um, this next stage of things could be could be benign. Could be like I oh I we forgot to tell you this or oh yeah all these things make sense now. This I could tell you the puzzle that makes it all come together or I can tell the puzzle that crashes everything apart. I don't know what that piece is honestly. All I know is facts. All I know is certain specific items that will either tear the castle down or is going to build the castle up. And I don't want to I don't want to build tear the castle down and not give you the ability to then fix your own castle. Even if it's just a small thing here or it's the whole castle, I want you to be able to to choose that. Um so we can step out of the room, let you guys talk because I don't know what information I'm going to do if it's life-changing news or if it's oh yeah, everything's fine. I just don't know what it is. Um, usually right we show the pictures because everybody's invested in this picture. Keith do the drawings. Keith's the one who laid gave this stuff. So Keith has always been a part of your memory for small details and that's why Keith's been in there this whole time [clears throat] and that's why >> he makes me feel safe and >> if he makes you feel safe too, we can continue on. I know you can change. >> Absolutely. >> And again, I just don't know what the pieces are. So if I would say, "Hey, this is going to bring the whole world down." I tell you it's going to bring the whole world down >> and then we need to talk talk alone. >> This is Sher Pini. She said two women took her. Years later, detectives sit her down with Keith and tell her they found something that connects her to a man named James Reyes. >> We need to talk talk alone or I would suggest we talk alone. But that's completely up to you guys cuz I don't know. You >> just want to talk? >> Yeah, we'll be we'll be right back. You need to stop what you're doing. I don't want them to want to arrest her. I don't want to know about what's going on. So, you need to explain. >> I don't give a [ __ ] about that. I don't want them to find her. I don't care. I don't I don't want them to find her. I don't want her to be arrested. I don't want to press her. I want her. I don't want to find her. Explain to me right now. I don't I don't know. I don't want them to find her. You're not listening to me. >> Why? >> Because she saved my life. >> Tell me. There's obviously something. There's obviously something. This is going to be really bad. >> Look, I'm talking right now. >> I am. >> Yeah. [ __ ] with you. I don't want them to find her. I don't want to press charges and I don't want I don't want to go down that road. But you are I don't want to go down that road. I don't >> because she saved my life and she's the reason why I get to hold my children every single day >> because we don't want to get to the police. I don't want them to find her. I do. >> I don't want them to arrest her. >> Why? Because she saved my life. >> So you don't arrest her? They still need to find out who it is. No matter what happens, you think this just sits here. This comes out and they find the house. It's over. Whatever happened is over. And it doesn't matter what you say. It's going to the girls. So, tell the truth. The truth. If you don't want to press start, then that's up to you. >> I don't think I can do that. >> You're not making sense to the point where I'm getting scared. So, you need to immediately. >> Yeah. >> And obviously >> hopefully you've had a chance to chat briefly. >> The fears >> later maybe just answer the question. >> Nothing that we that I'll say to you. I won't eventually tell him if you know if you want me to. Do you want me to just tell them what your fears are? >> We would love to hear what your fears are >> because we want to be able to address them as best we can. >> I don't I don't know. I don't know. >> Yeah. I feel like you're you're in the driver's seat right now. I think it's easier to control things once you know what the information is to be honest with you, Sherry. So the I can tell you what it is. Say say what it is when Keith leaves and then you can say yes or no whether or not you want him in there for the rest of it. >> Right now he's just am I in the room or am I other room? So >> and I'm and I'm I'm to the point where if you want him here, we'll just go on with the conversation. As long as you're not interrupting or impressing him, just >> stay over here. >> But if he steps out, I can say a name and then you can choose whether you want you want him in here for the rest of it or not. It's completely up to you or I can just continue on. And [snorts] again, like I said, I wanted you to always have control over certain aspects of stuff. Up until now, she's been protecting the same story over and over again. But detectives give her one more chance to decide who stays in the room. She still wants to protect the person she says saved her life. And then the detectives finally tell her what they found. We're not to a point where anybody's going to jail yet. We're not to a point of any anything like that. We're we're just still at the talking stage. We're at the control stage. >> You seem scared, Shar. >> No, it's not scary. >> What is it? When you don't answer, Sherry, it makes me concerned because I want to hear what your answers are and I want to be able to understand the only way to control things. I know >> I >> I don't want you to find her. >> We're not going to find her. >> She's the reason why I get to see my children every day. >> I agree. But we're not going to find her. >> She's the reason. What do you mean by that? >> She means the younger one let her go, >> right? Is that what you're referring to? We're not going to find her. And we can we can just skip to we can skip to the rock into the water and ruffle up the pond if we want to. Now again, this is your last opport this this is the last time if you want to do this alone or with Keith. Keith's been through this also on a different level. So I'm I'm ready just to I'm ready to move on and and throw the dart and throw the rock and see what happens to the water. But Sherry, look, look at me. What do you want? >> I don't want her to get in trouble. >> She's not going to get in trouble. >> So, the DNA came back to James Ry. >> The DNA that was on you belongs to James Ray. >> The picture in Can I get the picture? The picture of the table is James Ray's little brother who died recently. Um he we talked to him. We he's been on a polygraph. We talked to everybody around him. We have the rental agreements, phone rental, car rental agreements. We have we have everything that says that he said he told the truth. >> That's James brother, deceased Nick. So everything you've told us so many truths in this situation. The reason why you can describe the room is because you stayed in the room in the dark for hours for days on end. The reason why you lost so much weight is because you stopped eating. The reason why you got a rash on your arm was because you cleaned his house. The reason why the brand is because he went to the store, bought the branding tools, and branded you. The reason why your nose was broke is because of a hockey stick. I know all of those things. And I know there was no sex. I know all of that because he passed a polygraph test that said it's not an abduction. She asked me to come get her. >> No. >> I rented a car. >> I drove up and picked her up. >> He He passed the polygraph test. Sherry, >> if that's not what happened, what did happen, Sherry? I don't know. No, there's no way. It's J. There's no way. There's no way. >> The DNA doesn't lie. >> His DNA is >> His DNA was on you. His >> There's no way. >> Robert saw you in the house while you were down there while everything spun out of control. His cousin. >> Why everything ran out of control on the [clears throat] initial? >> There's no way. It's It's 100% Robert's or James's DNA. >> We even collected blonde hairs from the room. >> There's no way it's James. There's no way. >> That it is. >> Why are you saying it's not James? >> Why are you saying it's not? >> They love me. >> What's that? >> We were friends. There's no way. >> And he came and got you because you asked him. >> No. >> When was the last time you had contact with James? >> His brother died. >> Brother died in 2017. [snorts] >> Is that right? >> I don't remember. >> Was it before or after the abduction? >> Before. before. >> When was the last time you saw James? >> I don't know. Forever ago when I lived in Southern California. >> So, the last person to person contact you had with him was back in 2006 >> when you were living. >> And this is what makes her story so difficult to untangle. Some of what she described was actually true. through the room, the injuries, even the weight loss. But detectives now have a different explanation for how those things happened. And that puts the rest of her story under a very different light. >> When you were living in Southern California, >> I don't know. >> So, was it prior to your marriage? >> It's him. There is no way it's him. >> Well, it is. >> The DNA tells us that it it was his DNA on you. the the DNA alone says it's him. And when we talk to him, confront him with the DNA, >> he told us what happened. >> He 100% told us what happened. >> He gave us details that nobody else would know. >> And we can call him and we can all talk about it. But ultimately, can you look at me for a second? Ultimately, we put him on a polygraph like we did Keith. Keith was inconclusive to be honest with you on whether he was involved or not. But 100% James was telling the truth. The questions were, "Did Sherry ask you to come pick her up?" He answered yes. That was a truth on a polygraph. We asked him if the two of you ever had sex. The answer was no. >> During 2016, >> during 2016 during the abduction, he said no. if that was a truth. We asked him if you asked him to brand if you asked him to brand you. The answer was yes. And he passed the polygraph on all of those questions. He took us to the stores where he bought the chain. He tal we talked to the friend who rented the car. The car that he rented drove over 900 miles in a day on the drop off point. >> Sh. And I know this is a lot to take in, >> but it's not like we don't know the answers to these questions. >> And the fear of fear of Keith's reaction, obviously now he's in the room. The fear of media, the fear of all of these things are coming are coming forward. They're in front of you now. Uh the only way to get a hold of it, the only way for everybody to come together and heal, the whole community has to heal is to is for us to be able to say when we when we presented all of the evidence, all the stuff that came forward, she you told us the truth. You told us what happened because you did go in a dark room. That's true. You did slay in the backseat of a car. That's true. You did um lose weight. You were branded. Your hair was cut. You did have bruises all over. But how those bruises got there are because you did it and James did some. The reason why your nose got broke is because you held the hockey stick to your face and he forced it into your nose. The reason why the brand is in a straight line is because he did it. He described exactly where it was. He told us exactly how he did it, where he did it, how he did it. Only you and I and maybe five other people know where the brand was. He told me immediately. Robert told friends and family you were there. His mom knew that you were there cuz of course it went news and everybody knew you guys dated. Everybody knew you guys had a relationship. So when it happened, of course family reached out to him. He told him, "Yeah, she was here." But it said it hurt her. I didn't hurt her. So, >> what are you thinking, Jerry? >> That doesn't make any sense. >> Why doesn't make sense? >> What actions doesn't make sense? >> A lot of it doesn't make sense. >> Can we talk about those? >> No. James De was confirmed on on your clothing. The two of you haven't seen each other in over a decade. If you you told me that you haven't been in his room, you haven't had contact with him in over 10 years. However, >> you described his bedroom to a tea. >> And this and the DNA on you was still a vibrant piece of DNA. 10year-old DNA dies. The DNA that was there specifically was non siminal fluid was siminal fractions. You got that from his house somewhere. So whether it was the bed that you were sleeping on, whether it was the couch, whether it was anywhere in there, [clears throat] when somebody would come to the door and be around the property, you'd call James. James would call Robert, which is those two doors down, Robert would run people off the property. Robert told me all of that. James told me everything. So, the only person that hasn't started telling us certain facts, there are certain facts that are true. When we were sitting there talking to James, there was so many truths that were a part of your story that it's hard to decipher the lies. Until we put it all together, until he says, "Hey, why how did you pick her up?" I open up the passenger side seat. I opened the door. You jumped in the back seat. Why? Why'd you do that? Why'd you do that? I don't know. It was weird. So So are you are you calling James a liar? Do we not Are we not believing James? What he told me? >> No. >> I know. I know you're scared. >> Cannot believe that it is James. >> I can't believe James told the truth. That's what I can believe. >> He passed a polygraph shirt. >> So did Keith. >> No, he didn't. He was inconclusive and he was involved. >> So James is involved. So James is involved. But I don't >> James picked you up. You called James to pick you up. You mailed him a letter with your address. You used a >> No, >> you used a burner phone to call another burner phone for James to come and get you. You're saying since your marriage you haven't called James? >> No, I have called James >> because earlier you said you had contacted James >> cuz phone records show that you do. You did. >> The phones don't lie. The DNA doesn't lie, Sherry. >> His polygraph doesn't lie. >> So we can you can go a couple different directions now. >> His story >> I've already told you lying to me is a crime. So you walk out the store telling lies and that's a crime. >> I think we need my lawyer. This isn't making any sense. >> At this point, it's not just about what she remembers. Detectives have James' DNA, people who say she was at the house, and records that connect the two. Any one detail might be explained away, but when those pieces start lining up, her version becomes much harder to maintain. >> What's not making sense, Sher? >> The parts that don't. Now, the parts that don't make sense are that you're accusing two females who abducted you when it was James. The part that you were branded, James did it. >> He told me he did it. >> Who who would sit there and say, "No, >> I branded her. Branded Sher on her right shoulder like who does that?" >> You told us how and showed us the letters that matched the brand. >> Took us to the store and pointed out the letters. The the problem is today today's the case is resolved. Everything the only things Well, how do we prove that you're telling us the truth? How do we prove that the tr the truth is that two women took you? But I I'm telling you it's a male. The the fact that you were branded is true. The small fact is that you willingly laid down and did it versus being tied to a table. So we can always we could do the polygraph and try to whatever parts you're confused about. >> Can you go outside? >> Can I talk to you outside real quick? >> Wait, >> that's fine. [clears throat] >> The the fears of how out of control everything got. The fear of all these things is the reality. And the only people that can slow the train down is you and I. you you put yourself through this so when you came forward you can tell certain stories you missed the you couldn't control the DNA that we found you couldn't control when we talked to James he'd tell us what happened the story always was hard for anybody to understand the tragedy that the community went through, the events that unfolded, the fear now of what what it all means, but there's without a doubt James' DNA was on you. >> I can't no >> the likelihood of it being an ex-boyfriend is a problem. >> No, >> it's astronomical. Then you add in when we go talk to people who never even heard of us. When we, hey, what's going on here? They knew that you were at the house. All of them never came forward. >> No. >> No. What do you want to call James? This was a long road. I had no idea where he was going to take me. >> But right now, continuing and saying that two girls took you is a lie to Peter. It's just a lie [snorts] because we were able to prove with evidence with a rental car agreement. Person driving to 1,000 miles in a day. the DNA on you and him passing a polygraph. It's It's three legs to a three legs to a table that can stand way out. >> Now's your opportunity. [snorts] Based on your reaction previously, what you're telling me is you did not call James and ask him to come get you. Is that what you're saying? Because if that's what you're saying, I have to understand that there are things he says that we can corroborate and whatever you say, we're going to try and corroborate. But right now, I'm not sure what you're saying. You're just saying you can't believe it's him. And you're saying you don't understand, but there are deals details he provided. We know he [snorts] you were in his house. We collected hairs from that bedroom. That's going to have DNA. We already have your hairs that you left with your cell phone when you were picked up. >> That's my DNA, obviously. >> So, that's not going to lie either. The descriptions you provided are that room and that [snorts] house to a tea, except it's not a gravel driveway. And it's not elevated. And there's not two women who live there. But >> James lives there. >> James lives there. >> You know, James lives there. So, you might as well get it out of your head that James is not involved cuz James is clearly involved and James already told us he's the one that did the brain. >> That's something that he admitted to mayhem. He admitted to a felony put him in prison. >> So, how would that How do you It doesn't just It doesn't jive. So, now it's your opportunity to say, "Were there issues between you and Keith? Is that why you needed to leave? I mean, we read your text message. We're already aware of some issues, but enlighten us if that's the case. If there was a valid reason for you to leave, let me know what that was. James said you had your jaw broken by him and that's why he came and got you cuz you were in an abusive relationship. >> My husband. >> So, were you in an abusive relationship with him? Have you told other people in your life that like China that Keith has abused you in the past when that wasn't true? China told me that day two [snorts] where there was an incident at a party that you got hurt playing like I don't know Wii or Pictionary or something and then you told other friends that Keith heard you when there was witnesses at the party that said you just that you got hurt during a party then you go tell James that you were being hurt you were being abused and you couldn't come forward because Keith has friends of law enforcement If all of that is that true. >> Has [snorts] Keith ever been abusive towards you? >> We are not talking about my husband. I love my husband. >> So why leave? >> Is James lying to us? >> I want to leave my husband. I want to be with my children. I would never leave my children. You didn't leave them permanently. You came [clears throat] back to them. >> Ultimately, >> notice where the questions go. Now, detectives aren't only asking what happened during the kidnapping. They are going back to the conversations that came before it, who she was talking to, who she trusted, and how those conversations eventually led her to >> ultimately. >> No, >> you left them every day. So, it's not like, hey, James talked about that decision [snorts] when you were driving down, how hard that was. You left at 10:00 knowing that Keith was going to get home late, knowing you were going to leave the kids at daycare and how much that tore you up on the drive down. You told us that. Then things went out of control. >> And I talked about that. We didn't talk about that before. >> What? When I went out of town for work, >> what happened? >> Always talking to other guys. Oh my god, why did I do that? >> Like when you were in Eureka, you give them a call, [laughter] just start chatting with him, told him some of your problems. When did it turn from just chatting to his plan to get away? No, no, no. >> You were getting a hold of Donovan and Mitzky the night before. >> Why did I do that? >> We're trying to understand why you did that, too. >> We're trying to understand all of it. [laughter] >> I don't know. I don't know how this has happened because I was doing that. >> Such an awful choice talking to other guys that has [crying] got me here. >> [snorts] >> So, are you what aspect are you saying? Like, how how did how does talking to other people got you here? Well, you've gotten over >> I love my husband. I love my husband and I make mistakes and I talk to other men that I shouldn't have. >> But, but we took it a step further this time. This is a little different than just chatting with them. I I appreciate you talking and being forthright about the other guys you were talking to. When did it turn into something more? Obviously, you never would have imagined that CNN in 2020 and Good Morning America would [snorts and cough] care about you wanting to leave Keith or wanting to teach him a lesson >> or wanting to get him in line. >> No, I was just talking to James and I don't want to leave my husband. >> How are you talking to James? >> How are you talking to James? [laughter] I don't want to sleep with nothing. >> Shar, how were you talking to James? >> I'm like on your on your cell phone or another cell phone. >> My work cell phone. My work cell phone. I don't want to leave my husband. I don't want to leave my husband. >> This is like just a flirt. >> What's your work cell phone number? >> Remember? >> What's that? >> I don't remember. God. >> How long were you guys talking? >> I don't know. >> Why would he have Why would he rent a car and come and get you? >> I don't know. >> Well, if you don't know that, why would you get in the car and and go down to Costa Mesa? >> Those are all things we can verify, Sherry. >> The car rental, >> the fuel, the mileage. The calls from you to him, the burner phones, all that can be proven. I'm >> horrible. >> I don't think you're a horrible person, Sher. I think things went a little sideways on you. >> I We We started this conversation off that nobody knew what this was going to turn into. >> I didn't know that I'd have people staying on boxes in front of my office, that Keith would be on 2020. >> But my husband, I want my children. He's so stupid for talking to other guys. >> But why did why did James come and get you? I know you guys were talking. >> I know you've said in the past that Keith has hurt you to other friends. [snorts] Why tell him those details. If that stuff's not true, it's one thing to talk. >> It's one thing to talk. It's another thing to to say abuse is occurring. [snorts] Everybody I talked to about James said he's the nicest person in the whole world. Yeah, he may be a hockey player, but he is the nicest person in the world. He's nice to a fault. I don't I I know lots of people. I don't know anybody I'd run a car for and drive nine hours for. Keith James did that for you. >> I never helping you. >> He never asked you why. He never questioned anything. >> He never war money on the line. >> He never asked for anything. He didn't ask for sexual relations. He didn't ask for a relationship after you. He didn't ask for anything. He's never [snorts] even talked to you since. >> And yet he's been quiet until now. >> Now, detectives aren't asking her to explain the entire story. They are isolating tiny details. a specific set of letters, Bible verse, things that sound meaningless by themselves. But James has already described them. And that makes those small details much harder to explain. >> And the only reason why he talked is because we have his DNA. That's the only reason why we got to his door. That's the only thing that led us to his closet. That's the only thing that led us to the bathroom. That's Goofy. And that's the only reason why he started talking to us once we showed him once he showed us the bedroom and we started pointing out the holes in the wall like you used to have this board up, huh? And he said, "Yeah, >> she already asked me to put boards up. >> There's nobody's ever going to be as be able to answer why decisions were made >> except for J. I don't understand. You don't understand what >> what what parts are you not understanding? >> He even showed us Jerry. He even showed us the letters that were used for the brain and the numbers. I got pictures of them right here. [snorts] >> This is the set that was used. >> What did the Bible verse mean to you? >> How would you have known that? >> Why [snorts] did you pick that Bible verse? James took the Bible verse. We need [snorts] to be able to control the outcome and what's going to happen next. The only thing we know is going to happen right now is what you can tell us and what you can shed light on and for other people to be able to try to understand. If it was a mistake, it was a mistake. But at this point, not telling us what happened, not telling us the truth is another mistake. It's a mistake on top of a mistake. Right now, we can start over. We can we can end. We can leave without without a dirty conscience, without the what's going to happen next. >> Deep down inside, Sherry, I know you know what's right and what you should do and you should come clean. >> Why did you ask James to come to you? You asked Donovan the night before to come meet up with you. >> Everything happened at once. >> You were asking a stupid thing to do. >> The thing about it is we were able to prove that Donovan never came up here, but now we can prove that James did. We have records to prove it. >> I don't. Although you might not think it was a good idea now, 2020 [snorts] hindsight, at the time, why did you ask him to come pick you up? >> Was that an I don't know. [snorts] >> What's that? >> Can't be James. >> It is James. We can go >> the DNA doesn't lie. His DNA was on you. Your DNA is going to be in that room. >> One in septillion. James. [snorts] I don't even know how many zeros septilian is. We all do. >> That's why despite your description of how far you might have gone in the car, we already went down there. We knocked on his door. We took those pictures. He understood that the DNA didn't lie, so he came clean. Now it's your chance to do the same. [snorts] And if you don't, you're going to be shaking your head later and say, "I should have told him what happened." >> Talk to me like that. >> Like what? >> There's so many fears right now that we can't even wrap our head around it. There's there's too many unknowns that we can't control. We can't control what what the media is going to [snorts] do. We can't control what what everybody's going to think. The only thing we can control right now is to control that that James told us the truth. And that's that's a yes or a no. What did James lie about? What did James lie to us about? of the thing of the things I've told you. >> I don't know. I don't know. I just don't know. There's just no way it can be James. I just don't know. I don't know. >> It is James. That's not even the question anymore. >> We know you were in that room. That's already clear. You You described everything in the room. >> What you're saying is it wasn't James that came and picked you up by the mailboxes. Is that what you're saying? There's still two females. Is that what you're saying? Sh >> at the at the end of everything once we've you had to have known that this was going to come at some point. >> I was talking to my fault. >> What's up? This is all my fault. I was talking to many guys. >> Well, we know >> such a stupid thing to do. >> Yeah, but then how did we get to Costa Rica or sorry, Costa Mesa or how do we get to LA? There's a big jump and a leap from top to >> then something changes. For the first time, she starts talking about her own choices instead of just the kidnapping. She admits she was talking to other men and calls it stupid. But detectives aren't judging that they were trying to separate what she regrets from what she's still refusing to >> a leap from talking to men to getting in a car with somebody, but that getting in a car with somebody is somebody you had a relationship with. He [snorts] told us about the abortion. He told us about the your guys' relationship. He told us about things that I don't know if you've ever told anybody about. He told us so many things and he did it all for you. Nobody else. He got nothing out of this. >> And you're welcome to go home, Sharon, but right now is your opportunity to tell the truth. And >> are you saying that it was two females that picked you up? What's that? >> Every time I ask that question, it seems like you don't answer it. >> This can't be. >> We sat in a room. You drew out two people in a sketch, Sherry. Or those two people, the ones that took you. It said yes or no. >> I don't know. >> Well, you were pretty clear when I asked you earlier. What What did the younger one do? You said the younger one pointed a gun at you. >> She was there. I [clears throat] >> She wasn't. It was just James. >> James was 2 hours late. >> We have the rental records from 2016 for the vehicle that he used. >> Why? >> Because we wouldn't look for it cuz he told me >> because I was talking to him. >> Wait, that's clear. You were talking to him. I don't >> This is my fault because I'm talking to him. I just can't. We have to control what we can control. >> We're We're to the point. Did two Did a younger female that you've always described, is she the one that put a point to ignite you? Is that true or not? >> I don't know. >> You You do know. You told me earlier. So earlier today when we were talking, I asked you what did the younger one do? You told me the younger one pointed a gun at you and let you go. That's what you said. >> She let me go. >> Yeah. You let yourself go. >> You let yourself out of the back seat. Never even said bye to James. Never a thank you. Never enough. Just an out. >> No. >> Yeah. That's what James told me. Until you can start telling me that James is a liar and start pointing things out. James passed a polygraph. >> This is my fault. This is my fault that I was talking to him. This is my fault that I was flirting with other men. It was such a stupid thing to do. >> I love my husband. I love my children. >> That's understandable. >> Stupid. >> Here's the deal though, Sher. Flirting with other men, not a crime. >> Lying to me today, >> yes, a crime. Big difference. >> Telling your story of what happened to you isn't a crime. >> And I know you're scared of what Keith is going to say and do. What's going to happen with you and your family? Those are real concerns. But we also need to understand the truth [snorts] and you're in the best position to give us that. >> You keep saying that it can't be him. The DNA doesn't lie. It's him. >> You were talking >> and now's the opportunity for you to tell us. >> Talking to him. I was talking to him. I was talking to him. >> And we've talked again. His brother died. >> Okay. He started talking again. What? What? Her brother died. Sure. And that makes sense. The problem we have is the actions after the talking, after the flirting. There was a big difference between talking on the phone and getting in a car with somebody. So, are are you saying that James got two females to to kidnap you? >> Is that what you're trying to say? >> I don't know. >> What do you mean you don't know? So, if James' DNA is on you, >> I don't know. Are you So either either we're still saying the younger girl pointed a gun at you or we're saying we don't know. You've already told me that today that a younger girl pointed a gun at you. >> You said you didn't want her to get caught. So are we still talking to the female let you go? >> That's where we're at. And and [snorts] I don't know doesn't add clarity on simple questions. Sherry, but very a very easy question. Did James pick you up? You told me earlier that a girl pointed a gun at you. Is that is that detail? Which one's true? It's only one only one of those are true, Sherry, you've told both of them. I've told one, you've told the other. Which one's true? Does James need to go to jail for all the stuff >> that you asked him to do? >> You did not ask for this. >> No, nobody asked for this. I Sherry, I believe you. Nobody asked for this. >> So stupid. >> Nobody asked for ABC News to park out in your driveway. There was no way he could have predicted that this was going to blow up and to be as big as it was. Not even Kyle thought it was going to turn into this big. Even when he first got the call, he didn't think that CNN and ABC and everybody was going to care. >> I'm going to find Sher in a couple days cuz I I found Donovan. I found I found the people you're some of the people you're talking to. I've never known about your work cell phone. >> Stupid. >> But but we're beyond we're beyond that small [snorts] discretion. >> Stupid. We've talked about that discretion. >> No, >> we've talked about Donovan, right? Remember? >> So stupid. >> We talked about Do >> so stupid. >> Who picked you up? [clears throat] Was it James or was it a female that pointed a gun at you? Can you please answer that? >> You're shaking your head now. >> By now, detectives have reduced the entire story to one question. Not the whole kidnapping, not the relationship, just one detail she has already answered before. And when they ask it again, she doesn't change her answer. She simply stops answering. >> Shave your head now. >> I will not get I not I'm not I'm not talking to you about that. I'm I'm not going to get anything in trouble. I've told you before I do not want anyone to get in trouble. >> Well, you're going to get yourself in trouble at this point. That's where we're at. So, either either James >> I didn't do anything wrong. >> I know you didn't do anything wrong. Right now, you're not telling the truth, which is doing something wrong. That's where we're at. James put himself on a polygraph, talked to FBI agents. He talked with Peter and I for 6 hours. >> Damn. >> You told us everything, Sherry. You told us so many truths because you put yourself through. >> True. >> They were true. You're absolutely >> You don't want to talk about the women. So, but the the one >> you're saying that it's James? >> We're saying James's DNA was on you. We know you were you were in that room at his house. >> Then who am I? >> The woman. >> Then if it wasn't the woman. >> Well, about the woman. >> That's why we're asking you. It was >> the woman put pointed gun at you and put you in the car. Yes or no? Is that where we're at? [sighs and gasps] >> I don't remember. You don't remember if a female pointed a gun at you and put you in the car? Is that what you're saying, Sher? >> I've always told you I don't remember getting in the car. I've always told you I don't remember getting in the car. >> But did a female point a gun at you? Yes or no? >> Remember? >> Yes or no? So, I don't remember thing. You've already told me that today. >> You know who she is. I know you do. It was always key. >> I don't know who she is. >> Yeah, the lady we showed you is another raise. >> No, I know James opened the door for you. >> Whether you want to forget how you got in the car, I'm I'm okay with that. But we've already you've already established today. That's why I asked you today. What did the younger girl do? You said she let me go and she pointed a gun at me. We didn't talk about how you got in the car. Right now, I'm asking you, did a younger female point a gun at you? Yes or no? >> What? >> I know you know who she is. I am not I don't want her to get in trouble. I know you know who she is. >> You're getting in trouble. >> I am not. I didn't do anything. >> But right now, ask answer this one question. Did [snorts] a female point a gun at you? Yes or no? >> I am done speaking to you until I talk to a lawyer. I will not arrest her. I am with my children because of her. >> Disappointing. >> I don't understand. There is no way that Jay loved me. >> He did love me. I agree. >> Sher, if you want to talk to your attorney, that's fine. We can wrap this up. If you want to keep talking to us, that's a separate story. But you said you wanted to talk to attorney. So like from the beginning you're free to go and you can go. I would ask you one more question just for your own welfare. Do you feel like harming yourself? >> Welfare. >> Do you feel like harming yourself? >> No. I just hug my children and go home. >> Okay. Well, you're free to go and do that. >> If you change your mind, you want to come forward and talk to us. >> This is all my fault because I talk to other men. This cannot be. >> You might have come and serve. Where is my >> I don't know where to find out. >> You know what key is? I want to This is Keith Pini, Sher's husband. When she disappeared, who believed she had been kidnapped and spent years standing by her story. But now, sitting beside her in this interrogation room, who's about to hear something that changes everything. All right. I'm the idiot husband that stayed around the whole time. >> Well, there's not It's still We can't tell you a lot, honestly. I don't know what I told to let you know some of the details, some of the stuff going out. >> Can we from my side, I feel like, you know, my whole world's going to flip upside down again. Why Why is that why I'm always getting held out of things? Like, why can't you just with it? >> I did. I told >> I know. Yeah, cuz this happened Monday. >> No, you're saying you can't tell me all this stuff. >> It's still an ongoing investigation. So, you're not going to find out answer. I mean, there's >> that's the way it is. >> Can you help me? Didn't throw me a bone and they'll go, I mean, she made it up. Is that what we're doing, right? Or is she trying to come up with the whole >> We're not going to give you any additional details. Obviously, you heard the questions, so you can read through some of those and understand. You've seen some of the photos. >> Yeah. So, you know, some of the investig I was like, "Yeah, we found him." And >> we did. >> Yeah. >> But you can also notice your reaction compared to her reaction. >> Yeah. No, 100%. That's what I'm saying from my side. But now, now you're telling me, "Okay, you guys can go home now." Well, do you think I want her anywhere around my kids or around me at all at this point? >> And again, we we've talked a lot. I don't know what the next stages of this are. That's why >> it's not together, right? That one. >> Whatever Whatever those decisions are, I I don't know. But from a we can all agree that she's not all there then obviously if somebody can do something like that to her body and try to trick everybody that they're probably not fit to >> it was four years ago. >> We can't get into that but I would say obviously we are concerned about the welfare. We don't want any kind of domestic dispute between you two. We also don't want >> So give me a quick legal not legal advice giving it from a sheriff. If I don't want her in my house tonight what options do I have? You have to get her screen orders. You have to get legal stuff. >> Jesus. >> I'm not I'm going to tell her she has to go to her sisters or something. I mean, she's not going to my house tonight. And I got to call the next stage of this. Please give me the courtesy of telling me when you're going to announce it so I cannot be at my home. >> Oh, god damn. They're going quick. >> Well, I thought you said it's ongoing now. >> Well, we have to We're going to talk about that, but >> it's going to happen quick. >> I understand. He was thinking tomorrow. I was like, "Okay, >> blew up everybody in LA." So there's a there's a hornets nest in LA. >> It only takes one person to go and that say, "Hey, I know what actually happened. I want 10 grand." And now they run to LA. >> It blows up without our control. >> So, and I don't know the strategy. We We still have to have We had to get through this before we get there, but this >> Did is there anything you could tell me? Cuz I thought you were you were going to tell me something when I came back in. the person that we talked to down there is absolutely involved. >> Everything I know that I remember giving you guys that guy's number. So >> I thought I thought >> So that's that's where we're at. >> And then what she said. >> We're just going to ask you to be patient. Let it play out. I know it's going to be really hard, but it's also makes it easier for you. >> Kids do the little kids aren't going to ask you as much as the media will >> and the family members, your own family members. And you can look at them with a straight face and say, "Look, they're not telling me yet." But like you can kill right now. I was like, "Well, shoot. You guys can give her a ride in the house. I don't even want her in my car right now." >> That's what you told me. >> I have no good arrange for her to get there if that's what has to happen. >> Cuz I need I need to make some If you're going to release it that soon, I'd like to call >> I don't know what's going to happen. I can call you today. I'm going to go from this to another meeting and that means I need to another meeting and that means I need to another meeting >> and then [snorts] then we'll be figuring stuff out. >> Are you saying you want us to help you with transport for her? I think so. I don't think I mean I You got to give me a couple. I thought you guys were going to call me back in here with her. >> Well, she has to leave. So, >> Oh, >> she's free if she wants. >> So, I think we'll talk and I'm going to we'll probably she's probably not going to want to talk in here. So, probably go out to the car and then I'll be like, I'm not going anywhere with you in too long. >> If you guys want to talk about the car and then come back up and tell us if you need assistance, let us know. >> I appreciate that. >> I think I'm handing up pretty good. I ain't crunching walls or nothing. >> We appreciate that. on the shot. Okay. All right. Thank you. By the end, there's almost nothing left to explain. Keith has now heard what detectives uncovered James' DNA, the rental records, and the details inside the house that matched his account. Sher still refuses to answer the final question, but the pieces have already come together. 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