No, the cops know that I was on I was on her I'm on her voicemail because I had her phone when when when uh the cops to call the cops on Jason when they arrested Jason. The big the big officer was there today. He even knows he told my dad that you know he had his he had her phone. I was walking around with her phone for like two hours. >> Mhm. >> She has no voicemail. So I put one on there for me honor on there for her but it was nothing. There was no [ __ ] violence or anything. The cops came there. I know that. >> And the cops checked her out and I was [ __ ] cleared. I didn't do anything to her. >> 24 hours later, though. >> 24 hours later, she wasn't at home. >> She was gone all night. >> She was gone all night. >> I guess we'll find All right, David. So, detectives are going to join us here for a minute. So, um I went through my my charts. You didn't pass your test today. Okay. How's it? >> Uh um this is what my computer algorithms tell me. Okay. Um >> what does this mean? >> That means probable deception indicated meaning that um there's indications that you've not been truthful with us. Okay. Um >> how you read this thing? >> How do you read it? >> Yeah. I don't understand what this number means. >> Well, you really the only thing you really need to focus in on is this where it says probable deception indicated. That's a computer. >> What's this line here? >> That's just where I want to be. Um, yeah, I would expect to see you down over on this side if you're being truthful with me. Okay. In the middle of some more of the >> Just told you out here field. >> Yeah. So, you didn't pass your test. So, what that leads me to believe is that there's some information that you've not told us about that we need to try to get covered up here or get cleared up. >> The King County detectives uncovered something disturbing. Jaime Haggard had a volatile relationship with her brother David. But this wasn't just family conflict. She had reportedly told her boyfriend that she feared her own brother might kill her. And two years later, that fear would become a horrifying reality. >> All right. Obviously, um the police are out here digging into this thing. We're doing everything we can to to, you know, get your sister found. Um you haven't conclusively passed your test. That's a concern to us. >> That was a concern of mine to begin with. Okay. >> Well, and why was it such a big concern to you? So, I told you I already felt guilty. I carry the guilt dreaming that that I'm guilty. Whatever happened to her is my fault and and whatnot. So, >> okay. Well, these questions that's specifically why I didn't ask you are you responsible for her disappearance because you told me that you felt responsible for it. I didn't I didn't go that route. Okay. >> But she also said that that this >> I as I asked very specific questions. Do you know where she's currently located? Have you lied to the police regarding her disappearance? Well, that's not what your body's telling us. Your body's telling us something completely different. Okay? And so, what we have to do is is rely on on what we're seeing here, what your body is providing to us. A mouth can say one thing, the body tells the truth, and that's the way the approach truth. >> So, I I feel very comfortably that there's more to the story. There's something that you're concerned about that you're not disclosing at this point. Um, and you know, we're here we're here to try to get this thing resolved, obviously. Okay. You're down here for a reason. Um, you know, there's been some suspicious things that have gone on, you know, since her disappearance. Um, I think that there's a lot more to it that that you're holding back on at this point, but this isn't the time to do that. This is the time to to to deal with it. Let's get your sister back. Um, let's move forward with this investigation. >> Let's bring her home, you know, despite what everybody in our social world thinks. It's for family that matters, including you, including your father, whatever his relationship with you or her. You have a right to get their daughter back, whether her life was [ __ ] up. >> If you pick foul play, I'd go to Scott. I don't know anything else. I told you guys that. I don't know anything. Like I said, if I was given the test about Jaime's disappearance having no involvement whatsoever, I would completely pass the test. >> You don't even know Jimmy, so you would have passed. >> Just like the green killer guy, he [ __ ] didn't they asked the wrong questions or some [ __ ] and he [ __ ] just cuz he didn't know any that's why he passed his first test. >> Don't believe what you see in about the >> I'm not going to [ __ ] go through this with you guys. I I didn't do anything to my sister. I haven't done anything to my sister. I don't know where she's at. If I did, I would tell you bottom line. Bottom line, my life is pretty [ __ ] up. And that's why I didn't want to take this test to begin with. >> But other than that, I wouldn't hurt my sister. I wouldn't hurt her. Wouldn't hurt her or my [ __ ] children. >> You could ask any of my my my family. I got a lot of [ __ ] family. You could ask them all about it. had plenty of men tell me that they wouldn't hurt somebody and they didn't, but they ended up being involved in disposing of a body. >> I didn't dispose of no bodies either, sir. I'm not that way. >> What were you doing burning all that stuff out in your yard for the last couple weeks? >> We've been burning freaking uh just I'm not accusing you. Just tell me what it was. What were you burning? >> Um the mulch and [ __ ] There's all kinds of [ __ ] around the [ __ ] property. We've been burning trash, all kinds of crap. There's all kinds of crap in that house. We've been trying Me and Carly have been trying to get our leg up. So, we're just trying to I mean, Jason, we thought were gonna be gone. We thought Jason was gonna be gone for a minute. So, we're gonna freaking try to get in with good with the owner. That was it. >> Yeah. And what was rearied in the hole? Anything garbage in here? >> There's garbage. There's all kinds >> This is David Haggard. He's being interrogated about the disappearance of his halfsister Jamie. And detectives want to know what really happened. >> And that whole property be buried. [ __ ] uh there's axles. There's all kinds of [ __ ] in that [ __ ] property. He had a stupid ass pump. I mean, uh, not a pump, but a [ __ ] pond that he's gonna put in. It was dumb. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, nobody wants a [ __ ] pond. And it didn't just get bur or covered up in one night. It's [ __ ] over a duration of time. >> Okay. >> Bunch of garbage burns in that hole. I mean, it's bunch of wood. Yeah. So, if she's found and if she's found fairly quickly and she's deceased, the medical examiner will absolutely be able to tell us how she died still. Whether it was an overdose or violence or whatever, whether she's found in her backyard or whether she's found buried out in Big Finill Park or [ __ ] in Lake Washington, she's found quickly, we'll be able to say it. And I'll say it, man. Her lifestyle absolutely leads to the suspicion that she [ __ ] ODed and people freaked out and didn't know what to do. And yes, that could be family members. Yes, that can cause a a failure of a polygraph or a non-passing of a polygraph polygraph rather. David, I don't know your you. I don't know her, but I know men in your position that have been under suspicion due to circumstances. They've denied and denied and denied and then but in the tr in the end [ __ ] truth comes out one way or the other. And done anything. >> You know, let's just face the legal side of this thing. What's the crime of disposing of a woman that ODS? >> I have no idea. >> It's [ __ ] gross misdemeanor. I don't >> I have no idea, sir. >> So, I I'm telling you that because I don't want you or anybody else overly freaked out about an OD death and guys panicked and got rid of the body because it's a [ __ ] gross misdemeanor at worst if anybody even gets charged. So, I just want to make sure that's clear. We're not investigating, you know, some felony crime if if in fact she just died through her lifestyle. ODed, you know, she's got a history of that. Clearly, >> you guys keep saying she's dead. You guys know something that I don't know. Like, >> how do you know that she's dead? Well, we do know a lot of things about her behaviors and issues that lead us to believe that she's no longer with us. [ __ ] I hope the hell she calls her mother right now. Says, "Mom, I have been I have been out. I've been in [ __ ] rehab." Of course, that's not true either because she's well past the >> blackout periods of rehab. So, in my gut, I believe that uh she's dead either by somebody else's hand or she's [ __ ] OD and now it's a recovery. In fact, that's why we're all out of your house today. You know, we don't we're not convinced she's out there. Sure as hell are going to check it. We're going to be checking with heavy equipment. We're going to be doing with the cadaavver dogs. We're going to be we're going to be covering that base today 100%. And if she is found out there, somebody's got some explaining to do. And that explanation, if true, that go [ __ ] better come out without a lot of pressure from the police. I just come out so we can then >> believe it. Dave, for example, 6 months, let's say, let's say her [ __ ] body is found six months from now and the medical examiner can't determine her cause of death right away. They ultimately will, but and then six months from now you say, "Okay, well, [ __ ] Back in July, I uh was scared to admit that she died of an OD." It's going to be very tough to prove it was an OD. At that point, if she [ __ ] died from some [ __ ] up reason or, you know, any other cause that happened around that home and somebody panicked and got rid of her. At this point, the pressure quietly changes. The investigators are no longer talking only about finding Jaime. They are preparing him for what happens after she is found. The message is simple. Once the evidence is recovered, someone's explanation will have to survive it. For Haggard, that means the investigation is moving beyond what he says and toward what investigators can prove. >> [ __ ] put it out there. Let's get her back home. Let the medical examiner look at her. I have nothing to do with any disappearance or anything that has happened to my sister. >> None. >> Then you should have passed this polygraph. >> I should have passed this. >> Absolutely. And guilty knowledge or or excuse me, guilty feelings about lifestyles doesn't affect polygraph. It's a black and white issue. >> No, it isn't >> [ __ ] >> Just Hey, it is we've been doing this for [ __ ] years. Just as a specific you'd be able to bring it into court of law if it was. No, it's not. Not even going to go through this, man. I have nothing to do with my sister. Nothing to do with her disappearing whatsoever, man. >> I love her to death. >> Where the [ __ ] is she? >> I don't know where she's at. I don't know where she's at. I don't know what the last 6 months of lifestyle that she's taking on with all these brown people. I don't know the Mexicans that she's been hanging out with. I don't know any of that [ __ ] The last two months I [ __ ] cut her off pretty much. >> Is your purse at your house? >> No. >> Is your phone at your house? >> No. [snorts] >> [ __ ] put it out there. Let's get her back home. Let the medical examiner look at her. >> I have nothing to do with any disappearance or anything that has happened to my sister. >> None. >> Then you should have passed this polygraph. >> I should have passed this. >> Absolutely. And guilty knowledge or excuse me, guilty feelings about lifestyles doesn't affect polygraph. It's a black and white issue. >> No, it isn't >> [ __ ] >> Just hey, it is man. We've been doing this for [ __ ] years. just a specific you'd be able to bring in a court of law if it was. No, it's not. I'm not even going to go through this, man. I have nothing to do with my sister. Nothing to do with her disappearing whatsoever, man. >> I love her to death. >> Where the [ __ ] is she? >> I don't know where she's at. I don't know where she's at. I don't know what the last 6 months of lifestyle she's taking on with all these brown people. I don't know the mess she has that she's been hanging out with. I don't know any of that [ __ ] The last two months I [ __ ] cut her off pretty much. >> Is there a purse at your house? >> No. Is your phone at your house? >> No. [snorts] >> No. The cops know that I was on I was on her I'm on her voicemail because I had her phone when when when uh the cops to call the cops on Jason when they arrested Jason. The big the big officer was there today. He even knows. He told my dad that you know he had his he had her phone. I was walking around with her phone for like two hours. >> Mhm. >> She didn't have no voicemail. So I put one on there for me. I didn't honor there on there for her. [snorts] >> Um, what is at your house that belongs to her right now? >> All of her clothes and [ __ ] >> A lot of her stuff is in that carport. It's in the carport. And uh, she hangs throughout the house, I guess. I don't know. Whatever's in Jason's room. I'm sorry. I'm going to communicate with my partners out of your house right now. Just a second. When was the last time, let's make be very formal. I know you've been asked this question before, but I haven't heard from you. [snorts] When was the last time you physically saw her? >> Uh, the morning she came back. It >> was like Thursday, I guess. The 9th, 8th, 9th. >> And did you then talk to her on the phone after that? >> Yeah, I talked to her until it >> was July. >> No. What time? >> Juju. Yeah. >> And is that the same time frame that uh what's his name? Was it Daly was supposed to come back to your house from jail? >> No, he was coming the next day or something. And the understanding was if I got it right, tell me if I'm wrong. She was supposed to go pick him up. >> She was thinking about death. >> This is where the interrogation becomes much more dangerous for anyone relying on a verbal story. The detective introduces something Haggard can't simply argue away. Digital timeline. Investigators can compare Jaime's movements with the phones around her. And now every version of events can potentially be checked against where those phones actually traveled. >> And do you believe that ever happened? >> No. He showed up. No, he showed up that morning. >> How did he get there? >> Uh, somebody picked him up. >> Did he say specifically who picked him up? >> No. >> Was he in a car or >> Yeah, he was in like a uh SUV type car, I guess. >> Was he passed this? You didn't show up or did he mention it or? >> Uh, yeah. He was just like, "Well, that's weird." He goes, "I thought you'd pick me up." And then uh he asked to borrow a bicycle and I said, "How much was born to borrow?" And he uh I said, "What about your ride?" He goes, "Oh, they have to go work or some shit." And then he didn't show Nate took off and we didn't heard from him at all for like 5 days, six days. He just showed up at my house asking where Jam was at. And I told him, I thought she was with you just, you know, she's with him or with whoever else she does with. I don't even know any of those people. But he says, "Uh, I've been stuck. No phone, no ride, no nothing." >> Was it legit? Did you Did you believe that she wasn't with him? Did he seem genuine? >> No, I thought No. >> And where is he today? I >> have no idea. >> You know he's got a bunch of warrants out for him. I'm >> sure he does. He's a visitor. So, where do you think he might be? Because [ __ ] I mean, I might as well just snag up everybody I can. We're doing this together. >> I have no idea. He's out with Jay Dog and I have no idea. Sir, >> what do you mean with Scott? >> I don't think I don't know. >> Are they Are they tight? >> I have no idea. No, I really don't know. >> So, on the day she's missing, she has her own cell phone, right? >> Yeah. >> And you got your own individual cell phone, right? >> Yeah. So >> I didn't have a phone. >> Today's You don't have a phone at all? >> I didn't have a phone at that time. >> Why not? I >> think my phone was broken or out of minutes or something. I mean, I had a phone, but it was just out of minutes. >> So whether a phone's out of minutes or not, you know, it communicates with cell towers all around, >> right? To give us GPS coordinates, >> right? One of the things that we're doing today is uh we surveyed um search warrants on a variety of phone companies including your phone, including Jamie's phone, including some other people's phones. And to me, I'm a tech guy. So, this is just why the reason I say this thing is going to be done today and solved today because we're going to know where she's at today. We're going to know who took her there and we're going to find her. They're alive. And it's it's all going to come through technology. Her phones are going to tell us exactly, her phone records are going to tell us exactly where she moved. But most importantly, we're going to compare her phone's movements with the movements of everybody else's phones. And it's not going to be too difficult to see the path slotted on a Google Earth map. Which phones moved together between the 8th, 9th, and 10th of July? >> Yeah, but my phone probably was at the house the whole time. >> Well, maybe maybe that's the case. I didn't have a phone. Yeah, it wasn't working. So, I didn't care. >> Yeah. >> And secondarily, the phone doesn't just talk to its cell tower in the area. The phone talks to whoever's a Wi-Fi connection, right? The router at your house, the router at your neighbor's house, maybe if it tries to connect the router at Starbucks. So, nowadays, law enforcement has the advantage of just [ __ ] nailing down the position of phones way better than we did a couple years ago. So, those paths are going to tell us a lot about her and who was with her. And I I don't have those records yet. I voted when we were having a meeting yesterday about this case. I voted to hold off on hitting your house with the search warrant until we have those records. But, you know, resources are resources and we needed to do it today. That's right. >> We had the back today. We're ready to do it. So, since I can only assume you're not being completely honest about things because of the polygraph that you did not pass. It's not personal, but I just I believe you're holding something back. I know you're holding something back. And these things are all going to come out later. No matter what you say today, if you're not being honest with us right now, you're putting yourself in a hole because I'm afraid later on you're going to have to backtrack and kind of say, "Well, okay, this is really the truth a month or two or a week or a year from now and it's going to be unbelievable. You know, if you're caught in a lie, you're caught in a lie and you can't backtrack from that later on." I came home. When I got home, there was a fire outside the slider door. It was It wasn't It was It was put out. It wasn't totally put out. It was smoke on. I seen it. >> That is such a tradition to me. I didn't know what that was about. I've been thinking about that ever since this [ __ ] investigation started taking off what was about. Other than that, I don't know anything else. >> Why is that relevant? Why do you think that's relevant? because it was just just you guys keep asking us about that backyard and about why we buried or you know buried uh what we buried and burned there you know just it's just weird I don't know it just it just seemed seems like something I should say to you >> most guys would have a standard burn pile >> yeah you're not going to burn next to the house yeah you're not going to burn next to the house >> so you're saying this is something different >> yeah I just said yeah it was weird it was just weird I was totally flabbergasted it was in the it was in a hole that we had for for the the septic has been messed up there. So, we we had dug out a trench line. That's how that whole yard got tore up >> to begin with cuz the septic was [ __ ] up. >> Septic or sewer. >> Yeah, >> sew was [ __ ] up. Piping was [ __ ] up. So, we had So, we got uh Joe came in with a little mini and we we had excavated a little line, you know, and stuff and fix the piping or whatever, but there was still issues with the draining or something. So they had a little hole. It was outside the the uh outside the window, you know, the slider there >> that was [ __ ] And then the pond was over there. So I don't know what he was doing. My man Jason still, you know, he had this pond dug and then he's saying something about subject was messed up or whatever. But when I got there, I got there, like I said, there was just it was weird. Carly showed up right after me and I I even said something to her, you know, like this [ __ ] what's she burning right next to the house for, you know, just kind of pissed me off, you know. >> The detective is doing something more strategic here than simply accusing him. He's separating fear driven denial from deliberate self-p protection. That gives Haggard a difficult position. Continuing to deny everything can now be interpreted as protecting himself. The pressure isn't coming from a new piece of evidence. It's coming from the meaning investigators are attaching to his continued denial. >> Whose fire was it? >> I thought it was James. Thought Jamie fire. >> What day was that? >> That day. Yeah. The day. >> The last time you saw her? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Did you confront her on it or did you not see her after that? >> No, I didn't see her. She wasn't there. No, that's what I was I was pissed off about. The house was wide open. [ __ ] here's this half fire. You know, like I said, it wasn't a fire, but it was smoking, you know, smoking. >> Was that the only time a fire had been at that particular location? >> Yeah. Yeah. Why would there be one there? There's plumbing issue. Like like I mean, just cuz somebody digs a hole doesn't mean put a fire there, >> you know? So, I don't I'm just trying to wreck my head if anything else that could be withholding from you. And that's the only thing that comes to mind. >> Well, you didn't pass the test for some reason. You're the only one that knows that. And I guess I can't emphasize enough that >> this isn't going to end. Obviously, this isn't going to go away. >> Understand it's not going to go away, sir. >> You know, until the time that she calls her mother, which I at this point, I I think we're done with that. We're we're in a recovery phase. You know, the judge authorized a a search warrant for a body and evidence of murder or death. And so to prove differently, it's murder, right? If it proves that she [ __ ] Oded like so many women and young men have been ODing lately around Seattle, then so be it. Jesus, man. Last year we found two [ __ ] people in suitcases because their friends panicked, didn't know what the [ __ ] to do with bodies, and folded these chicks in both cases. Folded the chicks up in suitcases and dumped them. want CEC or someone tack [ __ ] can't. It's like Jesus Christ. Just call us and say she [ __ ] got too high and [ __ ] you know what I'm saying? Just [ __ ] deal with it. You don't uh sweep it under a rug. You don't sweep a loved one's body under the rug and pretend like she just [ __ ] vanished because we're going to prove whether she just vanished on her own or not. There's a certain point where people are going to understand that that those with knowledge of James disappearance, it's sort of natural for them to deny it and freak out for a while. But after a certain point, it goes from a natural denial to a kind of an evil intent or trying to protect themselves because of allegations of crime. wrong. If for example, David, you tell me right now that [ __ ] I don't know where she's at. You go and recover her today. The things that we would be telling the family, most importantly, her mother and father would be that uh in the end Dave helped solve this case. He was scared. He freaked out, but Dave helped solve their case. Compare that to three months from now when we find what's left over remains and the question remains in the air for mother and father. I mean this is family dynamics here. They're going to [ __ ] suspect you and so it's almost like get out in front of this [ __ ] thing. >> They suspect me already. My dad does. >> Well, >> so >> I don't know the dynamics there in that family. Sounds like you got some issues with your closer to any of the kids than he ever was. Yeah, >> she [ __ ] and do [ __ ] >> So whether you whether you whether there's respect there or not, they have a [ __ ] right as parents. >> Yeah, they do. >> You know where the [ __ ] their daughter is. >> Yeah, they do. We all have a right. I'd like to know, too. >> Yeah. So, dude, this thing's just going to move forward no matter what. >> I understand that, sir. I don't know anything. You know something, you didn't pass your polygraph that every one of us in this room should have passed. It truly didn't know. Doesn't matter that you're related to it. Doesn't matter that you're guilty about your lifestyle. Those questions were so specific. That's why I love polygraph tests regarding cases like this is because they're nothing but specific. Jason wants to ask me in a pre-employment polygraph whether I stole something when I was a kid. I don't really care if he [clears throat] asked me that because I don't think that's going to be accurate and valid in my opinion. When he asked me was I did I dispose of Jaime's body? I'm going to say no and I'm going to pass that test. >> No, he didn't want to take the poly the first time I came here because it was under me. I mean, it's it's all kinds of dean dynamics in there. I'm telling you right now, I don't know where my sister is. If I did, I would tell you. I would tell you if she deed in front of me. I would tell you. I don't know. I don't know. >> Did you get into a fight with her on the last time you saw her? >> The the No. The the day before we were fighting physical. >> No, not any more than No. >> Well, what does that mean? >> I mean I mean Yeah. I mean it freaking It was physical at first, but I mean I was just getting to the truth of the matter. I mean I was just I was you know on top of her. Suddenly, Haggard has another direction for the investigators to follow. Scott's alleged statement sounds suspicious on his face, but notice what happens next. The focus moves away from Haggard and towards someone else. Whether that account is accurate or not. Haggard is now presenting investigators with another possible explanation and potentially another person to investigate. >> But it was nothing. There was no [ __ ] violence or anything. The cops came there. >> I don't know. And >> the cops checked her out and I was [ __ ] cleared. I didn't do anything to her. >> 24 hours later, though. >> 24 hours later, she wasn't at home. >> She was gone all night. She was gone all night. >> I guess we'll find that out when we get the phone records today. >> Yeah. Well, she Yeah, we will. We'll find that out. She's gone all [ __ ] night. She didn't come in until the next morning. >> So, a couple things are obviously going to be dealt with. And here's I'll just tell you our job. When I see your phone records and when I see her phone records, I suspect that I'm going to see some travel together. I think there's a good chance of that. It's going to prove that you're not telling the truth right by yourself. Never have to do this all over again. Um, I'm a little late to this case to know why the [ __ ] you're painting your truck and completely cleaning your truck out. When we have the Washington State Crime Lab out searching your truck in about an hour, believe me, I've had cases where people have hosed their truck out, scrubbed with, they used stone masonary cleaner in their truck in this crime lab, still found blood. guys don't get where they should really clean. So all these things are happening today because we can't figure out what to do with you. So prove them right or prove them wrong. That's our job, isn't it? It's what you [ __ ] pay us for. Everybody got what we're going to do on this case. I don't care what her lifestyle is like. Louis has a right to be [ __ ] disposed of improperly or killed in a fight and dumped up in [ __ ] uh Eastern Monroe or wherever the [ __ ] she's at. Remember, your phone doesn't have to make a phone call to be talking to the tablets, right? I'm a lawyer or charge me or something. I haven't done anything wrong. You can look at my phone records. You can check my truck. >> Is it going to clear you? >> Yeah, >> we're doing that, too, Dave. Don't forget, our job is to clear people, right? >> Yeah. >> We're certainly not going to wrangle into somebody, >> whatever. >> Are you a witness or a suspect? >> Suspect in your eyes. >> Well, you're you're something in our eyes. You know you're not under arrest, right? >> I haven't done anything to my sister. >> Do you understand you're not under arrest? >> I'm a lawyer. >> Okay. Well, what's I hope you're right. If I wasn't there, but in the end, if she's um somewhere because she owed, I would assume that at this point, you've got the message and you need to tell us she died under other circumstances. It'll turn out. So, we're going to take you back to the house. You can't go back to the inside the house until we're done. We're going to be there pretty much all day. Is there someplace else you'd like to go? >> No. Can I get my wallet or? >> Yeah. D, you're not under arrest. I know this is uncomfortable. >> Where's Scott at? >> We got other team at >> doing other things. Listen, you've mentioned Scott a couple times, but you also just talked about a lawyer. >> Would you want to tell me the story about Scott? No, >> I told you the story about Scott. >> Well, Scott needs me to check. >> You're suspicious of Scott? >> Yeah. >> Particular reason? >> Because he's like [ __ ] admitted that he's done something to >> tell me that story again. Now that driving in the backseat of my car is a little difficult. >> He said when Jason came home, Jason came home out of jail. He was with Scott. Scott picked him up. They went and did some brown together. >> Natasha is a girl that just got out of out of feds. She's in an Oxford house or something in Seattle, I guess. >> Somewhere in Seattle. Uh they had picked her up, too. I guess Jason says it was him, Natasha, and Scott in his truck. And Jason said, "What the [ __ ] going on in my house?" Does Jason come home? He's like tripping out like, you know, what's all this stuff? You know, Jamie's missing supposedly. What's going on? >> Scott says, "Shut up, dude. You're going to get me in trouble. Don't worry about it. She's not at your house. She been taken care of. >> He says this specifically to >> specifically to Jason and and Natasha. >> Jason told you about >> Yes. Yes. And he brought it up again last yesterday. >> What was yesterday? >> Yesterday we're just he just he just said, "Dude, I think Scott did something with your sister, man." >> Jason said that. >> Yeah. He goes, "Honestly, I don't think I don't think you've done anything, Dave. I think Jason Scott I mean I think Scott's done something with your sister though. I know you're trying to be positive and optimistic, but I'm telling you, man. >> This is a major shift in the story. The conversation has been centered around conflict, Jason and Jaime's disappearance. Now, an overdose explanation enters the picture. What's important is not simply that he mentions pills, but that this explanation begins giving a possible reason for what could have happened without intentional violence. That changes the entire direction of the narrative. talked, you know, I mean, >> Jane's already gone, right? >> Yeah. Jane's been gone. And and he starts talking like uh he says that uh he'd been in contact and she called him, which we don't think is true. You know, we're we're like, you know, why would she call him? It just doesn't seem it doesn't add up. But I know Jimmy was definitely afraid of him when he [ __ ] came in and got his cut and he kept asking for his cut and he kept asking for his boots. >> Cut of cash or cut >> his his his uh his leather, his his uh >> his bike or Yeah. Yeah, he got his cut there. He needed his cut. Um, brought up that it was valuable, you know. Uh, she could have got money for it. You know, Jamie could have got money for it or whatever. You know, Carly didn't think that was, you know, what was up with that. >> You got to get your [ __ ] back. >> No, he stopped asking for it. And Jason said it's not there. I mean, it's in Jason's room supposedly, you know. I never seen it, you know. I seen it one time when Jason or when Yeah. when Jason was wearing it, but other than that, I never seen it, you know. But Jamie came out of the room saying, you know, he took his cut. They're coming, dude. The bandidos are coming. And that's when I, you know, was telling you or telling you guys in the car that I just was taking half of what she said with a grain of salt and the rest of the half are just charged up with [ __ ] You know, Jamie, it's not even [ __ ] banditos. It's hell's angels, these claims. You know, I mean, that was I didn't think anything of it. >> Was he upset that she kept the cut in the room or kept the cut for him? No, he he says that he never took a cut or he wouldn't be asking about it, but he was asking about it when he first started coming around. He started asking, "Hey, can I get my can I get my leather?" >> Mhm. >> And he calls it cut. Can I get my cut? And uh it's got to be in Jason's room. And I said, "Hey, just got to wait for Jason come out. We're trying to figure out what's going on with Jason." I go, "We don't want to [ __ ] off this [ __ ] It's his room, you know. Let's leave it alone." So he came back. Jason got out. He came. He asked for it, like I said, once more time, one more time. And and the last few times he's been over, I haven't heard a goddamn thing about it. And that's what we brought up yesterday. It was like, why doesn't he ask him for his cut anymore? Jason's like, right? You know, I don't know. >> So, you What about this comment he made about rolling rolling somebody up or whatever? >> He just said that he said, you know, I thought you might like get out the carpet. I was like, no, I'd roll you up before I roll any, you know, that's my little sister, dude. What are you talking He's like just kind of implying that maybe something to your sister. >> What's that? >> He's implying >> he's implying like I wanted something to be done with my sister is what I took as you know. He was like >> Yeah. He was like implying like well I thought you were kind of serious dog you know and like Yeah. I mean I mean before few days three or four days before any of this [ __ ] had happened Jason and Jamie were in it in a fight an argument. Um Jason was like, "I can't handle this dog, you know. I can't she's got to go." And I'm saying, "Well, I get her out, you know." And Scott's saying, "I think it's only right that the, you know, family member takes care of or I'll take care of it, you know, and I was I mean just these things if I reflect on back, you know, on reflect back on our conversation doesn't mean much at the time because we're just all hyped, you know, amped up. >> But I think about it then, you know, like what the hell were you talking about, dude?" You know, like the whole time the guy was talking like, you know, getting rid of her and Jason says she swears to God that she has a [ __ ] he has a hatred towards women, you know, and he [ __ ] just the guy doesn't have very much to live and he just >> Oh, why do you think that? >> Uh, those medical issues. He's got some really bad medical issues. >> He's telling you that he's >> Yeah, he's told that. Yeah. Yeah. He's telling you that. >> You don't know if it's true though. >> Don't know anything. Yeah. >> No, he has brown bad brown problem. And this is the dude. I showed you a picture of him. >> Yep. Yep. And he's the dude that was supposed to be was locked up from like that day. That night. That night he came over that night got 60 bucks from me and supposedly got arrested >> that night. Meaning what? >> The night that Jamie's was no longer around. Just disappeared. That ninth or whatever. Yeah. The day Jason went to jail. Same day Jason went to jail, he supposedly went to jail >> according to himself >> for Yeah. for domestic violence. Yeah. Against his ex, >> he he was in Bulman, I guess. >> I'm sorry. Does he have a a wife and a boy? I saw some pictures on Facebook. >> Yeah, he has a son and his ex-wife. >> Was he sleeping with Jamie at any point? >> Not that we know of. >> Who's been sleeping with Jamie? Jaime wasn't seeing anyone at the time, but Haggard is more than happy to allow the detectives to believe that there might be more potential suspects. >> No, no. Hate to ask a question, but I got to ask a question. >> No, no. Supposedly, she wasn't even sleeping with tears. >> Have you been dating or >> Yeah, supposedly they've been dating and she hadn't been getting reaction or whatever. That was one of the things we thought about that day that that the cops all came. And I suppose we had her tied up and [ __ ] because she was claiming that Jason came, you know, Jason took it from her that night, you know. She was just I mean I couldn't believe half the words that she was saying, you know. So I didn't take it, you know. All I know is that Jason was playing games and Jamie all this Brown is all tend to brown who I take up as these guys are [ __ ] they don't care about anything but themselves and it's all just this brown, you know, [ __ ] Jason said he was going to quit work and he was going to come home. we're going to deal with this cuz I was telling my girlfriend, you know, he's [ __ ] playing games, babe. I don't know who to believe, you know. Jamie, I tend to believe my sister because in the in the heat of the moment when I [ __ ] look her in the eye and I [ __ ] drill her, you know, tell me [ __ ] what's going on here, James. I can trust and believe that my sister's telling me the truth. She points to him, Jason. It's all Jason. So that's [ __ ] you know, and then I confronted Jason and he was going to come home and deal with it. But then, you know, Jamie flipped the the whole script around instead of me being pissed off that Jason was going to deal with Jason. She's claims she's gonna take a bunch of pills, you know, and that's when the whole the whole picture came [clears throat] out, you know. I had her in the uh >> And then Jason's caught the night of the 9th or the day of the night. Is that right? >> No, Jason was popped that night. He comes home that night. Yeah, cuz the cops the cops come >> and uh this time I'm dealing with my sister. She's in the bathtub. the whole time I'm thinking that she's uh taking a bunch of pills and I know she I don't know what pills she takes but I know she gets some gnarly [ __ ] stuff. So I'm not sure, you know, I went from rage to empathy here and and and and I'm an addict. So of course I didn't call the cops. I should have called the cops, but I didn't. I get her to [ __ ] throw up or I'm threat I need to stick I want to stick my finger down her cuz my little sister she bite my finger off. So she's mad at me. You know what I'm thinking? Uh I get a spatula. She said no I'll throw up. you know, I was going to stick a wooden handle or something down there and she said, "No, I'll throw up." So, she's acting like she's throwing up. I take her to put her in the shower. I get her in the shower. Uh, I'm on the phone with Carly, uh, dealing with her going back and forth. Um, I'm on the phone with Carly and King County Sheriff's or the sheriffs are walking up and I say the [ __ ] sheriffs are walking up and and at this time it's, you know, I'm talking to Carly and then uh they're walking up and so I go to the back to the bathroom and at this time the bathroom door is not open anymore. It's it's partially shut, you know, a little bit and uh and [clears throat] and you know, like I said, I'm just I'm thinking back on it and I'm tripping on because of just how the layout was. I didn't think about much of it at the time, but I I opened up the door and this now here's this girl that was supposed to be took a bunch of pills. Um was laying in there uh in her fully clothed um at one point the tub was filling up and I had and I realized that the the uh you know the little stopper that stops the water was up and I you know I I put it down and I you know slapped her on her arm said not on my watch, James. You know you [ __ ] you better stay with me. You know what the [ __ ] is, you know, to dealing with that to to going in here to tell her that the sheriffs are here. This girl is like fully undressed in a in a in a towel getting out of the shower like she's just was taking a shower >> healthy >> like like taking a shower like like Yeah. kind of like a little bit maybe groggy, you know, or or you still playing a part. But I'm like the [ __ ] cops are here. I was tripping on, you know, and and and tripping on her. And she's like, "Well, just go in your room and and pretend you're sleeping." And I told him I was in shock. And I said, at that point, I said, >> the detective now stops accepting broad explanations and starts drilling into physical details. How was the hole filled? How much dirt was involved? How was the work actually done? These questions force the story to become specific, and specific stories are much easier to compare against physical evidence. >> They said, "We got anonymous call and anonymous person received the text message." The only one I sent the text message to was Jason. And I [ __ ] said that's [ __ ] Jason. That's playing it's that's it backs up my theory that they're playing [ __ ] games here. He's playing games. He's a manipulator here. They [clears throat] talk to Jamie. They come back out. That's when the boy cop says, "Look, dude. Are you a [ __ ] are you are you a doctor going to med school?" No. Next time your sister takes a bunch of pills, call 911. You know what they said to me. And I understood that. I mean, I'm an addict, but I [ __ ] you know, I get it. I get the [ __ ] rights and wrongs and didn't want to [ __ ] get my sister in trouble or anything, you know, and I didn't want to get I mean, just [ __ ] that's, you know, >> get some trouble for, >> you know, that's what I I mean, it's just, you know, I told the cop. I understand. Yeah, I would call I mean, naturally, if she was, you know, in a [ __ ] if it was life or death, I really felt like it was like life or death, I would call the cops, but I didn't I felt like we had it under control at the time. Apparently, she's [ __ ] coming out of shower like she just took a shower. So, it seems like she wasn't under control. They said, "Who's Jason?" And I said, "Jason, you know," and I knew he had a felony warrant. So, I'm looking like an [ __ ] And they're like, "Come on, man. You live here. You say you live here. You don't know your roommate's last name. You know, you just look like an asshole." And I'm like, "He's naughty." They're like, "Yeah, you're protecting him because he has a felony warrant." Like, whatever. You know, this is how it's going to go down. We're going to be waiting for Jason. You know, he's going to be coming home. We suggest that you find something else to do. If he comes through this door and you get in a physical altercation with him, you will go to jail. >> We're telling you that right now >> because we've been out here already and you know the situation is going on. If he comes home and you get in a physical confrontation with him, you will go to jail. Your best bet is to leave here. We can't tell you to leave your house, but we suggest that you leave here and call us when he comes here and we'll get him. And that's what happened. >> Okay. So they bought him at the house later. >> Yeah. >> Jamie's still alive and well. >> Yeah. She took off his card. >> And so u he's been out of the pictures from what till the 25th or something. He was in for like 20 days or less than that. 15 days. >> Less than something like that. Yeah. Yep. And then Scott was like missing an action like the whole time. It was really weird. It's [ __ ] really weird how when you reflect back on things and you just try to put pieces together and it's like, >> okay, so let's talk about the hole for a second. So he [ __ ] digs a hole to fix a sewer. Has some story about making a water feature to to the land owner, the lady who owns the place. >> Even snapped some [ __ ] pictures. >> Yeah. >> You know, so we know there's a hole there. >> Yeah. >> Now, of course, the place looks really nice. Who filled in the hole? I know you've been through this before with Detective Bartlett. >> Uh me and Carly pretty much. Yeah, >> that's a So I do a shitload of landscaping kind of side job. I know I saw the [ __ ] pictures of the hole, but it was a hole. That's a shitload of dirt to have to put back. >> It was compacted correctly and all. >> No, it wasn't. No, no, it's done correctly. >> Looks pretty flat. How How was it done? How physically was it done? >> Shovel and brakes. >> How long it take? >> Uh the whole time [clears throat] it got done the day. I think done the day that up. >> A little bit at a time or one? >> A little bit at a time. >> And what did you put in a hole specifically? >> Uh brush and trash. >> Brush things will decompose or trash like [ __ ] metal objects. >> No, there's Yeah, there's trash in there. There's a big ass TV that got busted up in there. >> TV? >> Yeah, big one. Yeah. What made you want to fill in the hole, not Jason? What was [clears throat] it hurry to to bury it back in? >> There wasn't a hurry. There wasn't a hurry. It was just that I thought the palm we thought the palm was I thought the palm was stupid from the beginning and uh we wanted Hope wanted to from our understanding Jason had that place for the next three years to work on it and I had already done we had already done helped him with the plumbing. Uh, we've already done helped him with a lot of stuff and I figured, you know, why me and Carly figured why let this this house go? Why let somebody else get it when we could do the work? We I just did remodel for my boss that was just that. So, it wasn't like anything new. >> Mhm. >> You know, >> so the only thing that you put in the wall were some household garbage, uh, [ __ ] TV, anything else? >> No, it just uh No, just just wood debris. There's all kinds of wood debris, too. >> It's not It's not compacted. I mean, if you go to dig it up, there'd be a hole hole. >> And is that is that primary hole right above the sewer line or off to the side or >> No, it's off to the side. >> Um, east side or west side? >> The east side, I guess. But there you have the back door be off to that side where where the pond was at >> and east of the uh sewer line. >> Yeah, sewer line's right there. real close. >> Yeah. So, it's two line got fixed, right? You guys did that business. >> Yeah. It's got half ass fixed. >> Got fixed. >> Yeah. >> And the burn pile, the primary burn pile for the backyard is what in that circular is a little circular thing. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's what we made. They had the burn pile was on top of that slab or something, I guess. >> Okay. And then this other burn pile you talked about the other burn site you talked about right from the >> was right outside the [ __ ] slider dude was right next to the house like what [ __ ] >> how much we talking >> what [ __ ] [ __ ] puts it's just uh it's just a bunch of wood debris >> just right there within >> right [ __ ] there yeah stupid >> like dangerous stupid >> yeah like the house could catch on [ __ ] fire that didn't [ __ ] that make no sense at all >> why would you do that she ever started a fire >> that's exactly what I My question was, that's what I was bitching about. Like, why the [ __ ] would I mean at this time we're not even >> Does Jamie do work? You know what I'm saying? Would you even >> Does Jamie do work? Yeah, Jamie was a nurse. >> Well, does I mean does she go and [ __ ] clean house, clean debris? She's >> or she lazy? >> She's kind of lazy. I mean, she's Yeah, I mean like all her characteristics over the last six months have been really not Jamie. So, you know, I I I can't believe that she'd be calling me for everything under the sun and be over at my dad's telling him that I'm >> Jamie had injuries and Haggard had a history of striking her, which was why her family found her story easy to believe. >> I'm beating on her. It's >> Well, she did. I don't know why she did. >> I know. I can't I can't [ __ ] wrap my head around it. My girlfriend can't wrap her head around it. I mean, did Carly and Jimmy get along? somewhat for the most part. I mean, they they do. I mean, you know, I guess a week before a week before [ __ ] uh this all went down, I guess Jason had hurt her or something and Jamie I mean I guess Carly took some pictures for Jamie on her phone. >> Okay. >> Pictures of her, you know, bruised back or something >> because of what Jason did. >> Yeah. Why Jason? Jason looks like kind of [ __ ] kind of a Jason is No, Jason has a rat sheet of beating the [ __ ] out of women. >> It was really, really bad. >> And her and Jason were together briefly. >> Yeah, somewhat. I thought they were together, but supposedly they weren't together. And she's with this other dude, Chris. And supposedly she's with this dude, [ __ ] puppy. I don't [ __ ] know. >> Okay. So, to be crude about it, who do you think she was sleeping with in the last two months? >> I think she was sleeping with Jason >> at the house, [clears throat] >> to be honest. Yeah, >> because she loves him or some [ __ ] dope benefit or something else. >> Dope benefit. The house benefit. >> Just a place to live, place to crash. That's the Was she paying rent? She gets a lot of pills from the pharmacy supposedly legitimate. Maybe she selling those out to >> Watch the progression here. The important moment isn't simply the admission itself. fits the movement toward it. The questioning starts with a direct denial, but continued pressure changes the answer. Haggard eventually acknowledges his own drug use while trying to separate himself from the drugs investigators are asking about. It's a small shift, but psychologically these shifts matter because the story is becoming less absolute. So, I don't give a [ __ ] if she's selling her pills. It clearly is relevant if she's been murdered or is missing. So, do you know if she ended up even getting her pill supply for June? >> I don't know. [snorts] >> Do you have any pills that belong to her in the house? Is there a stash of uh was it Vicodin? Is that what she gets? >> Uh, she has Van, morphine, all kind of [ __ ] >> Why? What the [ __ ] more? I have no idea. I have no idea, sir. I just found out that she was on [ __ ] psych meds, too. Just got prescription, too. So, in your personal space in your house, is it going to be in that type of medication? I'm not talking about like one pill that you might have picked up here or there. >> In my personal stuff. >> Yeah. No. >> Or or I don't [ __ ] with pills. >> Carly, I don't know who Carly is at all. >> No. No. Carly just had a friend that just died off [ __ ] Brown. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] really just frown against it. >> What about Jason? She says brown. Oh, yeah. >> But that's not your thing. >> No, we don't do pills. >> Okay. >> So, will there be any pills in your personal space at the house? >> No. >> How about brown? >> No. >> A lot of guys don't want to admit the brown. I get it. >> No, no, no. There should be. >> So, you've ad Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Right. Exactly. But no, I mean I [ __ ] have done brown. I think I told Jason that I [ __ ] did Brown one time. Uh I don't know. It [ __ ] sounds stupid coming out of my mouth, but you got to have a certain respect for drugs, I guess. You know, you got no choose your poison, I guess. In other words, you know, you got to choose your poison. And I [ __ ] when I was going through the divorce, when I was through the separation with my wife and and stuff, I, you know, was using [ __ ] me and heroin like I've been doing it for years and I think it was because I wanted to [ __ ] you know, wanted to go away or something. I felt like I don't know, but I was [ __ ] doing like 50 60 ws just shooting it up like I was a rock star. And it lasted for about five weeks. And I knew that I got kids that wanted me around and I didn't want to go that way. So I detox. Took like two weeks. [ __ ] just pain and torture, you know. It's [ __ ] horrible, you know. And I was trying to relate that to Jamie, you know. It's [ __ ] not good. Brown is not good. Sucks you in. Meth sucks you in. It's bad, too. But I don't know. So, what I hope to do is when we get your phone records and we'll do our business with the records that we need to do, um, there'll come a time when I'm probably going to want to sit back down with you and go over the phone records with you, no matter how they look, whether they're damning looking or just [ __ ] typical phone records a guy would have when he's in his house. So, I don't want us to [ __ ] end here as as [ __ ] enemies. I mean, it's your sister. We're going to work for you is the way I look at it until we determine that, you know, we're going against some person who killed her. Or if she [ __ ] died on her own, so be it. But until that's proven, uh, we're all in the same boat. But if you put yourself in our position, you see exactly what we have to do. We have to clear the people around her from suspicion and you're unfortunately very difficult to clear. Uh some people are easy. We've already cleared a few people just based on Jim. I mean like him or not is easy to clear, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So that's a deal. Even though he looks like a [ __ ] suspect, you know, and I know for a lot of other reasons. >> Yeah. Yeah. He tries to say his pro officer says he's a suspect, but as you don't see, >> well, it's the physics. >> But I mean, it's just, you know, like Jason keeps saying, it's almost like Scott [ __ ] >> It's almost like Scott thinks like he wanted him to do something or I wanted him to do something. >> Well, [ __ ] scary. >> Would Scott have taken it on his own to be like, "Hey, dude, I took care of your problem." >> [ __ ] might as well have or might might have. You know, I mean, that's what [ __ ] Jason was now. I'm thinking about our conversation which me and Jason had yesterday and he's convinced that [ __ ] Scott did something with her. I'm trying to be [ __ ] more of the positive, you know, the real positive, you know, [ __ ] my sister's going to call her mom up any [ __ ] minute, you know? I want her [ __ ] beer. >> I do too. But I we all hope that she doesn't. But you got to be realistic. And it's time to be real realistic on this. It's been well over a month and young women >> Scott's been somewhere. He's been doing [ __ ] and he hasn't been accounted for. And so is Chris Dailyy. Hasn't been accounted for. >> Is Scott's phone number in your uh in your phone? >> Yeah. >> Under under what name? >> Scott. >> Just playing with Scott. Yeah. >> You only Scott in your phone? >> Uh yeah, I think so. >> Is your phone with you or is it back? >> No, it's at the house. Or no, you guys got my phone. >> You guys got my phone. She's had my phone since the day I came here. >> All right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Did I get that back to you? Oh, wait. She's trying to copy it. >> Yeah, she can get it back. >> That was the deal, right? You were copy it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Talking about that. >> What's in there? >> Have you ever confronted Scott face to face? What the [ __ ] What? Did you do something to my [ __ ] sister? >> No. >> Do you feel comfortable doing that? I [ __ ] uh >> I put you on a wire. Would you uh >> No offense. No offense. I'm going to [ __ ] jam up. I'm not going to be jamming him up. [ __ ] yeah. I will. >> You're willing to go to that sort of [ __ ] Find out where you're >> Oh [ __ ] a. Oh [ __ ] a. You know, and and then Jason keeps saying that Scott keeps asking him, "Let's go fishing." and and and Jason doesn't understand why he keeps asking that because Jason doesn't [ __ ] carefish >> don't know but but he made references of taking somebody down the river road he hasn't gone down the river road in a long time or some [ __ ] you know and just [ __ ] how stupid >> by river road you think he's talking about smallish river road or >> I have no idea he says I haven't gotten on the river road in a long time I don't know after the [ __ ] I heard this guy say I thought was [ __ ] And now I'm [ __ ] thinking [ __ ] probably been stupid the whole [ __ ] time. >> Your sister sell uh Scott pills. You know >> they did brown together. I don't know if they she's holding pills. I know if uh Danny Craig she sold pills too. And uh I think uh Joe lose his uh his son's grandma. Tom Tom. I think she sell pills to Tom. I don't know who she sells to. Now the investigators move from general drug history to something connected directly to Jaime. The question becomes much more specific. What happened to the medication? Hagged's response gives investigators another piece of information they can work with. This is exactly how pressure builds in an interrogation. broad questions gradually become spitic until the suspect has fewer places to move. >> Leave some pills behind. Is that correct? >> There are some pills there, >> but I mean, >> did you sell a couple of them to I don't care to who? I'm not looking. >> Yeah, we did sell some pills, >> but I mean there's Yeah. >> What type were they? >> Uh they're per 30s or something. >> Okay. Anything else? >> No. Did you sell anything else at Jamie's? >> No. There were some other pills that we found that was in her possession in her cell, but we didn't there still. >> Where specifically [clears throat] were the pills that she left behind? >> Uh they're in her they're in her in the car park right now. >> Oh, the pills are there. Still >> they're in a they're in a [ __ ] uh they're not in her name though. They're in a dog's name. like dog hair dog can >> like somebody just put them in there. >> Like she put them in there. Yeah. >> Are those part of the prescriptions that she gets herself? >> I have no idea. I know. I knew only thing I knew she took that she got was uh was Vicodin, but I know that she's progressed to u supposedly she's getting morphine and and uh and Valium or something, you know. >> Why did you feel comfortable selling our pills? Uh, I don't know. I just figured that's what she would done to us. I don't >> kind of lifestyle issue going on. >> Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] she was selling one of us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How much did you get you think total? >> Uh, I don't remember. >> Something significant. 300 bucks. >> No. 100 bucks. >> 200 bucks, I think. >> Okay. So, a couple hundred bucks. Yeah. Pills are gone. >> Yeah. >> Except for some that might be left. Well, there's some other kind of pills, too, that that we didn't think about later on, but we were test out. Do >> you know what they were? >> They're they're in the No, they're in the mix of those dog pills. >> J, I think we asked you before. Is her purse at the house? >> I don't know. >> You said no before. >> Well, no. Yeah, I don't know. The honest to God truth is I don't know. I had seen dirt. >> Her first or her phone was not there. We haven't seen her around. We >> cleaned up the house, the property. I mean, we haven't seen either one of those. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> The pill the pill thing is is uh like I said, the other pills, they're all in a dog's name. like uh one of the people that lived there before had dog >> and they're they're but they're James I guess. >> Oh, there's something that people would want to buy. >> Yeah, I guess whatever they are. >> Yeah. >> And like I said, we they just been outside of mind. Actually, I forgot about those cuz we don't really do those, you know. I just know somebody down the street that actually his girlfriend's a big his new girlfriend is a big pop popper. So it just kind of came into just kind of pulled it down. >> So an opportunity rolled up and you just took the opportunity. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's it. >> I understand that. >> Where specifically were the pills that you sold >> in the kitchen? >> Should we just leave the [ __ ] [ __ ] out like that? I'm guessing that house is full of people that don't trust each other in a in a sense. So, why the [ __ ] would you leave them all out in the kitchen? >> Um, it's pretty stupid, but I don't know if we don't totally not trust each other or if we I mean, it's I don't know if that's the right word to use. It's not like we don't really trust each other, but it's not like we trust each other. I don't know. >> I'm going to guess you guys don't trust each other because you're [ __ ] in the lifestyle. >> It's [ __ ] up. the closest family members [ __ ] rip off each other even though they love each other. >> Happens all the time when there's, you know, when there's [ __ ] pills and dope involved. That's just that's more normal than not. I guess one option to, you know, if I got to the [ __ ] bad side here is that you sell you sell or allow her pills to be sold because you know goddamn well she's not coming back. i.e. she's already gone. So it keeps coming back. How can we clear you from suspicion? I think your phone records will go quite a ways to do go one way or the other. And either >> one of those things you got to break to clear yourself. So, I I haven't done anything and I [ __ ] will keep repeat myself that I haven't done anything. >> Here's what I think happened to her. I mean, it's really only two scenarios. She owned someone most likely the house. Somebody freaked out and [ __ ] had to get rid of her or uh somebody uh probably beat the [ __ ] out of her and killed her. I doubt she was stabbed or shot. Then I guess that she was probably [ __ ] thumped fumbled to death. I said, and then she obviously had to get rid of her. Whether that happened at your house or not, I don't know, but the crime lab's going to figure that one out. >> Yeah. >> In the end, I David, you just you're not passing the polygraph. of the simplest polygraph we could design for a man like you in your position. One that you absolutely should pass if you can read those specific questions. >> I don't care. I want a lawyer. I don't want to talk about poly anymore. >> Okay. If you want done be done, let's I'll help you talk to Scott. >> Okay. Because we still need to team up on this. We're going to find your sister, >> right? Yeah. >> I want to be [ __ ] enemies with you. >> Yeah. >> Well, I'm not the guy. >> But you got to know where I'm got to know all the thoughts in my head. You got to know every step that I'm thinking. You got to know >> every scenario that we're going to consider and rule in and rule out. >> And this is uncomfortable as [ __ ] for you. I'm sure you don't have to like us or whatever, but we're going to do it together. And this step of the polygraph was so [ __ ] important to us that we swim kept wanting to do it with you. So let me end this with kind of a overall wishing statement. David, is there anything that you haven't told us yet that you think is significant in this case that you know damn well is significant that you've chosen to keep to yourself? Not very. >> No, except for [ __ ] Where is Scott and where is Chris? The whole time I [ __ ] >> You're talking Chris Dailyaly? >> Yeah. You know, like are they pow? >> No, I don't think so. >> I don't know though. You know, I think they're both D Brown. I don't know who his friends in that in that social. They do know the same people though. You know, they know this Jay Dog dude. I don't even know who he is. >> Where in Redmond is Scott? >> He just he just moved to uh G facility, I guess. uh you know, one of those facilities that you got to >> like you gota have money to live in or >> Yeah. Yeah. He got an inheritance. >> He's got he's got some kind of trust and and supposedly that's how his wife is involved, his ex-wife. Like he's gotten he's beat the [ __ ] out her or whatever. Uh you know, they're no longer together. They divorced from my understanding. But before they got divorced, he got an inheritance and somehow they ruled her as the power the uh the uh >> executive >> basically. Yeah. Of all his findings or his money or something. So >> she gives him an allowance or something. >> Oh, that sort of scenario. Even though she's his wife. >> Yeah. She's an ex-wife now. Yeah. Yeah. But so they live together because she has power over all of it. And >> so she they're still living together just not as men and women. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> In South somewhere. >> Yeah. >> Like avenue or >> I have no idea. Jason was >> Is she uh is she on the Brown too? >> Uh no. Not not that I know of. As far as I know is that she was a uh church gone girl that he met years ago and made her his wife. >> She didn't do much anything. >> But you don't know for a fact whether Jamie was sleeping with him? >> Uh no. Nope. Would it be surprising if she was? >> Did he want to? >> She's been I was >> It wouldn't be surprising for my It's the lot of people that my sister has has gone for lately has been a big surprise. So, I guess no, it wouldn't be a surprise. >> The investigators returned to the failed polygraph, but by now the interrogation has revealed much more than a simple denial. Haggard's story has been tested against his own statements, the evidence, and the investigator's questions. He still maintains his innocence, but the unanswered questions remain. >> Or some [ __ ] And we called Scott to go help her out. >> And then Scott went MIA. So, we're still trying to think of if he actually hooked up with her that night. You know, we don't know. Uh Jason's convinced that that's the reason why he wasn't answering because he was with her. You know, he claims that she wasn't because they just left my buddy's car on the side of the road on the opposite side of the the traffic so get, you know, so a cop would drive by and go, "What the [ __ ] there?" turn right there, you know, and then he get impounded, you know. >> What do you see? 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