At at some point I started Oh, that's right. When you guys took the phone, that's when I started posting from my phone. I'm going to say everything prior to that was probably from her. >> The interrogation takes a sharp turn when the detective places Moore's version of the marriage against Emily's own words. He repeatedly minimizes the arguments, divorce talk, and the wedding ring being removed. The investigator stays controlled and lets the evidence speak for itself. What makes the moment powerful is the growing gap between we had a great marriage and what the messages actually describe. >> Okay. So now when when you called to uh report Emily on Monday evening, Officer Hollis is the one that came out, correct? >> Black Black Eye heavy side duty. >> Very friendly guy. >> Very nice. >> Okay. Did Did he treat you well? >> Absolutely. Okay. Did he have you pro provide any sort sort of I can't even talk. It's been that kind of day. >> Trust me, I'm going to you're going to have I'm going to have a hard time talking. >> Well, if you get tongue tied, I will totally get it. Did he have you fill out any sort of written statement as to what had happened? >> No. >> Okay. What I would like from you, and I I've got paper here for you, and I will leave and give you a piece. If you want me to stay in here, I can stay in here. It's up to you. >> Stay in here with me. Okay. Is and I'll be completely quiet, but I just need a statement from you. You as to starting from, you know, when you went to bed on Sunday evening until you called the police on Monday at whatever time it was. >> I you Okay. I mean, >> I I and I understand that you've talked about it and everything else like that. However, it's just a procedural thing that that needs to happen. And honestly, I told you I I like honesty. I'm not happy that officer Hollis didn't get that on Monday. >> It's probably fresher in my mind then. Um >> Okay. >> Not I've gone through this in my head with the timeline and some of my times don't line up. I made a phone call when I thought I was sleeping. >> Okay. >> So, I I mean I I could try my best, but I don't want to make >> anything false. >> You're human, right? >> Yeah. I'm human >> and all I want is your best. >> It it might be I could specific times I couldn't really be like this is when I did this, this is when I did that. I could if I had my phone sort of >> just the the best that you can. >> Yeah. I [clears throat] mean, yeah, man. >> I mean, >> just know that the times are going to be might be wrong and I would hate to give you a wrong time and then [clears throat] be like suspect me of something. >> I just don't want a blatant lie like the sky is purple. Absolutely. I can if if you if you say this happened at 451 and I'm like oh no that's [ __ ] It was 455 it could be an hour off. It could be I mean it was night it was just like any other night. It wasn't like correct. >> So I'm not like checking my time and you're human. >> It was a normal night. We drank. >> We came home. We hung out. I took I I left because I wake up in the middle of night to go pee. I don't go back into the bedroom because I don't want to wake her up. I sleep in the my son's room. Who who doesn't live there anymore? Um on the couch and I slept I made I made textes and I talked to people during that period. >> Okay. >> And that's on the phone. >> Just that the best in your own words. >> But I can't tell you, hey, I made textes at 5, at 3, at you know what I mean? I I I I can't I won't write down times, but I'll just kind of give you a a brief like a story without times cuz I think that >> but just any instance that you can recall like I'm not so time focused right now. It's just that the fact that I just I want to be able to make sure I have everything sequentially and >> I feel comfortable >> from how I understand it. I want to make sure that you know I can pick it up and go, "Oh yeah, that that's right." at he, you know, when he woke up, he then moved the refrigerator onto the roof, you know, whatever it may be. I want to make sure that sequentially I understand. >> You help me write it cuz I'm I can't spell for one. I'm pretty horrible. Or like just kind of help me. >> Well, it if you need help with the word, I can help you spell it. Absolutely. And I I'm not here to judge spelling the whole day. >> Just from when you went to bed, you that Sunday night. So, you don't want to know about where we were prior to being home? >> No. No, I'm not. So, because that's always, you know, stuff that we can follow up on. >> Yep. >> Cuz I'm not really sure when we got home. [clears throat] >> Okay. >> From being out. >> Okay. >> Um, >> so just name, address, date of birth, and then you don't have to worry about anything on this side. Your handwriting is actually much more pleasant than some other ones that I've seen. >> Do you want the Westerville? >> Uh, yes, please. What's this brick? And I I really want you to just take your time. You make sure that we're all >> Yeah. I mean, >> on the same page. >> I got We got home got home from being in Uptown. We talked It was her birthday. We talked. We went to bed together. Do I tell that? Do I say we had sex or it >> any details like that? I mean, we're all adults here. >> Made love. I guess was her birthday. fell asleep. I fell asleep. I'm not sure if she did. She might have stayed up. I'm not sure, but I passed out. woke up whenever to to pee to pee or urinate. I did look at the clock. I don't want to say that I knew what time it was, but whenever I wake up to go to the bathroom, I look at the clock to see how close it is to the morning. And that determines whether I take a a sleeping pill or not. >> Okay. >> Which is I don't know the name of it. I take a half a one. And it was earlier. So I'm going to say I don't want to tell say I mean like 1 maybe which is early. >> Okay. And uh I woke up to urinate, went to my son's room to sleep on couch. Couch is C O U C H >> C H spent time looking through T R O U G Ho made a few texts. messages. M E S A G E S made a few text messages I might have posted on Facebook. I I don't know. I want to say I did if I did if I I didn't look might have posted on >> early in the interview. Moore is already careful about his timeline. He repeatedly qualifies his answers because he does not want to give an inaccurate time. That caution creates an important baseline. Whenever the detective asks for a precise detail, his certainty becomes weaker. The investigator doesn't pressure him yet. She allows him to establish his own version of events, which can later be tested against the evidence. >> Facebook talked I I talked to I I um texted my stepfather. I know I did. He texted back. I think I don't know what time it was. It was 3:00. I think he got back to me at 8:00. From what I saw today, I actually text back to him at 8:00. So, I might have been awake later than I thought. But at some point, at some point, late morning, we late late morning. Late night, early morning or how late? >> Yeah. you know late I I get >> like 8 7 6 I don't know whenever that's late late night late early or it's [snorts] at some po point >> was it sun up >> I couldn't tell you >> okay >> I couldn't tell you at some point it I'm going to say it was starting to be dawn because um there's a reason for that because usually I do fall back sleep before it gets light out and then I usually wake up at like 8:00, 7:00, you know what I mean? It's I didn't wake up till like past 11, I think, which is really late for me. >> Okay. >> I could have woke up a few times in between then, too. At some point, fell back asleep cuz I think I did at some point in mid morning make a text to somebody. Um, I'm not sure. I don't know if I should put that down. >> Yeah, >> I might of made a mid morning text. I remember awaking. The text says the time was like almost 12:00. I could have woke up at 11:00 just lied in bed for a little bit waking toward towards how t wo r d >> t o w a r ds >> t o w a r ds >> yes >> towards noon I text Emily to see if we were going to a Memorial Day. How do you spell that? M A M >> O R I A L >> M A O >> M M E M >> M E M >> O R >> O R >> I A L >> I A L P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P Picnic. I don't know the guy's name. I got it written down if you want. It's on my phone. I'm sure you guys already know. I think >> picnic. She didn't She didn't She didn't respond. She didn't respond. I'm not 100% sure, but I checked my Find app and it said that she was there. >> How long after you sent the text when you if you had to ballpark it? >> I don't know. >> More than an hour. No, it was probably within like >> 5 10 minutes. I >> I'm guessing I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess. I don't know. But I do know that I looked just to see if she was still in the house cuz you know what I mean? It was later. I thought maybe she could have left, >> you know, or you know, cuz she didn't come in and wake me up, which like she does that. I mean, we had some place to go. She didn't respond. At some point, I checked my find find a phone and it was still there. Um, I don't know how much longer I lied in bed, but I know I made another text to her at 3:00, around 3:00, and said, "Well, I guess we're not going." And I had already been up [clears throat] in the house, so I didn't know her phone was on then. I didn't I hadn't seen her phone by then, I don't think, or I wouldn't have texted. I wouldn't It would have been It would have been right there. I don't know how to word that. She didn't respond. I retexted. I got up. I got up, looked through the house. I checked for her car, which was there. which was there. Went back to my son's room. room light on the couch. Flipping to phone. I don't know if I made any if I made any text messages or not. I'll have to look. >> [snorts] >> some point in the afternoon. I noticed her phone. I noticed her wallet. >> Okay. Where were those at? >> Her [clears throat] phone was next to her bed. Her wallet was I don't I don't remember. um [clears throat] her car. I think before all of a sudden just at some point in the afternoon I realized that there was some denom everything was all her stuff was there and she was gone and she she hadn't come back. I realized. R E A L I Z E D. >> Mhm. I called her friend Celeste. Celeste. That would be a C. Celeste. We talked. She said to call police. You guys shut up. Okay. So, can I read it? >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> Got home from being in Uptown. We talked. We went to bed together. Made love. Fell asleep. Woke up to urinate. Went to my son's room to sleep on couch. Spent time. Looked at phone. Made a few text messages. Might have passed. >> Facebook. At some point, I just want to make sure some point I fell back asleep. I might have made a mid morning text. I remember awakening towards noon. I text Emily to see if we were going to the Memorial Day picnic. She didn't respond. I got up, looked to the house. I checked for her car, which was there. I went back to my son's room >> only because I didn't think that anything was at that point wrong. She walks around. She does things. She's just not there at that point. >> To the house. I checked for her car, which was there. I went back to my son's room. liding on the couch flipping through the phone. At some point in the afternoon, I realized there was something wrong. I called her her friend Celeste. We talked. She said to call the police. When I saw her phone at some point, when I saw her phone, it was probably the last thing I really was like, "This is not right." I saw her phone. Okay. Cuz the phone is pretty much her thing. She carries it at all time. >> I mean, >> can I read over it now? >> Yes. Sure. You have very nice handwriting. >> I'm telling you, it's mine. It didn't do me any good in school. >> No, you don't. Your handwriting is awful. >> You know what stinks is when you make really bad spelling mistakes and they know the handwriting. So, >> well, it's like >> we're not the spelling police. >> Good. I could introduce you to some of my co-workers and you your head would spin. >> I'm from being in Uptown. We talked. So, you don't remember what time you you came back from Uptown? >> That we came directly from I think our last bar was the um not the hook line sink or what's that other old school bag of nails >> bag >> and I and I think I had the receipt. It was only for like 20. We got fish fry maybe a couple drinks. I don't think we were there for that long. >> We could check with them and they I think they probably will know. >> And then so then from Old Mag you went to We walked across the street. We were parked across the street behind Cold Blades and we went right home. >> Okay. And was the sun still up when you got home? >> I'm guessing that it probably was. >> Okay. >> But I don't know. >> Were you intoxicated when you >> Yeah. drove back? >> I mean, yeah. I Yeah. >> I appreciate the honesty. We've all done it. >> Yeah. Yeah. We were >> Okay. So then >> you weren't stumbling drunk, but we were drunk. >> It had to approximate that time. 8 9. Um I'm going to we we um we went to my father's. We gardened. You'd have to check with him, but I think we left there around 4 or 5. We got there at noon. We usually garden for about 4 hours. It was hot. >> Okay. >> He had friends over. We were going to We went home. We washed up and we went right. We didn't even take showers. We just kind of washed up because we were pretty dirty. We went to the bar. So, I mean, we were there early. >> Okay. So, and we wouldn't make it's not going to be like getting home until 12 or 1:00 at night. It's earlier. It's like 910 that No, no later. And it could have been even earlier than that. >> So, you thinking 8 9ish? >> I I don't Yeah, probably. Yeah. 8 9 10 area in there. >> So, you get home and you hang out. Do you drink any more at home? >> You guys work? >> Um, she she has beers in the fridge and I'm I I the only reason there's beer at my house right now cuz that's all that was in there. I I don't drink beers. I do, but >> I wouldn't get home at vodka. >> Okay. >> So, I I sip vodka on on the rocks and I didn't have any at home. So, usually when I get home after drinking, I don't I that's it for me. She'll she'll she'll continue to drink sometimes. But >> did she keep drinking? >> I don't know. >> Okay. But you did not. >> No. >> Okay. And you guys hung out and talked? >> We hung out in the in the kitchen and we got really along really super well. It was her birthday. We started making out and we went into the bedroom and we had sex. >> Okay. And that's in So there's the like the master bedroom. >> Mhm. >> Just to make sure that I'm I'm different. >> The master bedroom. >> And then there's the the what you called your man cave. >> That would be my son's room. >> Joey's room. Yeah. >> Okay. Just to make sure that I'm separating, right? So you went into your bedroom and had sex. I went into the master bedroom with my wife and that's where she likes sometimes she sleeps on the on the on the porch on the ground. She likes to be outside. I don't know if she went in there like at some point as far >> the questioning now becomes more precise. Moore attempts to reconstruct his late night phone activity, but the timing moves between different possibilities. The detective responds by narrowing the conversation from general recollection to specific calls and messages. This is a subtle pressure technique. Instead of arguing with him, she makes him repeatedly commit to details, increasing the possibility that inconsistencies will surface on their own. >> Far as I know, I fell asleep. I woke up cuz I have to pee. Um, she was there. I mean, I would know she wasn't. I would just, you know, how you know if your wife's not there. I didn't have any inkling that she wasn't there. I remember looking at the clock because I like to time my when I have how much time I have left to sleep. So I whether I take a pill to fall asleep or not. I don't know if I did one or not. I might have been drunk enough or still kind of like did not need one. And I went into Joey's room. I lie on the couch. It's something that happens every night. I don't think there's a night that goes by that I sleep all the way through in the master room because I always have to get up and go copy because I'm oppressive. And um [clears throat] it I do remember it. Usually it's pretty much I fall asleep an hour. This when I was lying in bed for quite a bit and I made a couple texts and I have it's on my on my phone that I that I actually I looked at my phone today and I I think I don't know how it works but it was an 8:00 phone call. I could have fell asleep and woke up at 8:00 and then fell back asleep. The next thing you know I slept into the day which is very unusual at like 11:00 cuz I tech the first thing I did was text her and be like, "Are we still going to that party?" And that was I think towards 12:00. >> But hold on. So you got up to go pee and the routine [clears throat] is after you pee then you don't climb back into bed with her. >> They don't. And the routine is that you look at the clock to see if you should take a sleeping pill or not. >> How much time I have left before, you know, if it's like real late into the night, I won't take one cuz, you know, just just I have it. But if it's early, I do. >> But I don't know. It was early, but I don't know if I took one or not. So, >> do you know what type of medicine? >> It's like a ambient, but it's some other derivative of ambient. And I take half. >> Okay. All right. >> And they definitely knock you right down. >> But you don't remember that night if you took one? I don't remember. And I'd probably not because I was up. >> Okay. >> Making phone calls or not phone calls, but texting and and [clears throat] um >> who who's up at that time? >> Uh you'd have to check. Uh I have a friend in Vegas, so he would be and he's up. So if it's 3:00, it's 12 out there. I'm not sure. You'll have to check this. >> You don't remember who you texted? I I remember texting my stepfather and that was the one that was at 8 and he's 8 my our time. He's East Coast. So >> 8 a.m. you texted a >> Yeah. After after midnight. That's right. >> So was it after midnight or is it 8 like 8:00 a.m. that you texted? >> 8. >> No, it was that night. That early morning. 8:00 a.m. >> Our time. >> Yes. He's a New York dude. >> Okay. But what about like at 1 or 2 or whatever time it was? I made a uh I made a post at um like 3:00 in the morning and I think it was to my brother Paul and >> like Facebook post >> um on iMe. I don't want to say you know what I mean but I think it was something funny about uh the MMA fighter guy, the guy that runs the UFC that's having some sort of stuff that's off the shore. He's not he's doing distancing fighting. So, was this a social media post or like a text message? >> Was it I iM? Is it like an Messenger that other people can't see? It's just whoever you send it to. >> So, that you sent it iPhone to iPhone. >> Yeah. >> And this was at like 3:00 in the morning. >> I think it was at 3. >> This was stepbrother, >> half brother lives in Florida. >> Half brother. and and and I'm fairly I mean I went I've been kind of doing my thing trying to figure out timelines and stuff and I'm pretty sure and I think there's one more in there too that I sent out that I don't know if anybody responded to or but I definitely sent it out. I'm not sure. >> You have to look on the phone a friend a friend of mine >> and you haven't gone back to look to see. >> I did. I just I'm nervous right now and I'm not really sure. I don't think they responded to it so I don't I'm not sure. I have five friends that I we kind of like just goof around and text each other. And >> so did you text the one friend or the five friends? >> I I didn't text text five friends. I remember texting my I believe it was my brother about the uh Dana White issue and I remember texting my stepfather about um the water bottles. He collects um he collects spring water. He drinks spring water. And we just started doing that. Emily and I, we go that day. We went down and got stream of spring water. And I was talking about how the shelf life of water. >> And you texted him that that night too. >> That early morning. >> Yeah. The 3-ish or whatever. >> Monday early morning. >> Yes. >> No, it wasn't 3:00. It was So I I said it was more like >> anytime from midnight to 3ish. when you see the the um the times. He might have responded at 8:00 and I texted him at 3:00, you know. I don't I I would have to see my phone to tell you. >> Okay. >> But there was definitely correspondence going on while I'm trying to fall asleep at night. >> Any social media posts? >> Uh you'd have to check. I don't I don't I don't think so. I don't think so. But at some point in the morning, I fell back asleep. I did get back to sleep and I didn't wake up until late into the morning and and I the first thing I did was because I knew we had to go to this we'd been invited to a party was I said, "Hey, we still going we still going to the party?" And she didn't respond. >> And where was that party? >> I don't know him. She just barely knows him. It's on there. I talked to him actually. >> Lore describes Emily's morning behavior as if nothing was particularly unusual. Yet the investigators continue examining what happened while she remained absent. His language stays relatively ordinary, but the detective keeps returning to concrete details. Her phone, her car, and her normal routine. The strategy is clear. Compare Moore's explanation of what he believed was happening with what a reasonable person might have noticed at the time. >> Because they I gave him [clears throat] uh they were like, "Who's who is this guy?" and I found out who he was and they called him and they I actually I I texted him and I I asked him maybe she went over there. >> Um >> you text from your phone. >> I'm not sure. No, I think it was hers cuz it was through her. It was her phone cuz I wouldn't have it on my phone. I don't even know this guy. And um he's I asked him, "Hey, is Emily over there? Maybe she went over there without me. Maybe I slept too late." And she just said, "You know, whatever. I'm not going to get him up. I'm just going to go without him." And he said that he hadn't heard from her all day. About what time was that? >> 11 12 11 maybe close to 12. >> You texted him? >> Oh, no. I don't know when I'd maybe a couple hours after that hour after that. I would hate to lie not say I don't know. >> So then, you know, in your words, you got up like around 11ish. >> I was I would say closer to to to um to to uh 12 cuz I if I could remember correctly. And I got up and I walked around and she wasn't there. And I'm like, "Okay, she's out doing her thing." And I just I went back to my couch in Wisconsin or whatever. Kind of hung over for the night before. And I the next thing I did was text her again at I think 3:00. I think it was like 3 hours later. And I'm like, "I guess we're not going to the party. Where are you?" You know, I didn't ask her that, but I was like, "I guess we're not going to the party." And that was the last thing. I texted her, got up again, and then I looked, there's her car, there's her purse, there's her phone. Things started. This is not right. >> Where where was her phone when you found it? >> On her end table. >> Is that normally where it is? >> Yes. Well, um, no. [clears throat] I mean, yes, sometimes. If she's lying there, that's where it is. >> Does she generally sleep in the bed? >> Like I said, she's sometimes she sleeps on the um on the floor. She's just been recently doing that. >> Well, what I'm saying is when she sleeps in bed, is her phone on the end table next to the bed? >> Yeah. I would I mean that. And then when she sleeps on the floor, where does she put her phone? >> Yeah, her she the phone's with her most of the time. >> Okay. Does she >> I mean, >> does she always have her phone with her? >> It she always has her phone with her and the only time >> this section brings noticeably more pressure. Once the detective introduces information involving Emily's sister and the phone more struggles to keep the timeline straight, his response shifts toward confusion, including an admission that he may be getting the sequence wrong rather than confronting him aggressively. Investigators keep adding individual pieces of information and allow the contradiction to develop through his own attempts to reconcile them. She doesn't and I'd said this um when the first guy that came over um she's she goes out for these foring forage things and she does this route and um he was like does she ever go out at night you know by herself and I'm like no she doesn't that that's something that and but she does at at times now that I think of it especially if she's got a little buzz and she's drinking she'll get that and she'll grab a flashlight and she'll she'll go on us and she comes back with the with the forage and she shows them. Okay, >> rewind real quick. I got a question. So, between 11 and 3, what were you doing? Were you just laying there on the couch? >> 11:00 in the morning till 3:00 in the afternoon, it was it was lying in my son's room. >> Okay. >> Kind of kind of just chilling, recovering, waiting for her. >> You go to the bathroom at any point? >> I don't. Yeah, there was Yeah, there was periods where I mean I definitely got up and >> Okay. And you didn't you didn't notice she was gone or >> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. That the the first time when I texted her and said, "Are we going to this party?" And she didn't get back to me. I checked the uh find my phone and the phone said that she was there. So, I'm [clears throat] like, "Okay." You know what I mean? At some point that happened. So, it just didn't Okay, she's she's doing her thing. She's going to come in and get me when we're ready to go or whatever. At some point, it didn't she didn't come in and get me. I got up, went out there. I don't between 11 and 3 at some point. It still wasn't a big concern. I wasn't like, you know, freaked out. I was I kind of went around a little bit and and the first the first thing I did was look to see if her car was there cuz she could have took off. You know, she that would have made sense that when [clears throat] she left, but her car was there. So, okay, you know, she's doing something. She's just out and about. >> I texted her again at 3. I'm pretty sure that's the time. You guys can check the check that >> and in between those two times you texted the gentleman in >> No, that happened. >> Not I didn't get concerned until that the second time I texted her and say, "Hey, I guess we're not going to text him after 3. It could have been 3:40. Could have been 3:50." Okay. >> Then then after that text, that's when I got up. So I didn't even know her phone was was still there until cuz I texted it. So, her sister um made a group text that I don't I didn't notice. And her sister says it was at 3:45. >> Mhm. >> And she says she responded to it >> at 3:45 p.m. on Monday. >> Yes. Let me think. I'm getting this screwed up. I'm getting this screwed up. >> Maybe it was No, it was 8:45 in the morning. That's what it was. It was 8. So, while I'm sleeping, >> so her sister, what's her sister's first name? >> Her sister name is Amy. >> Okay. She said she sent a group text 8:45 that morning >> to her and I and from that you can tell whether someone answers views it. And she said that we both viewed it at some point. I don't know when I did. She said that I don't know if you can tell when they they get viewed, but it was viewed and I didn't it wasn't me that viewed it with the phone. So, to me, she was there at 8:45 or 8:00 in the morning. She Emily was there. That's my And the guy across the street, John, said that he saw her at 10:00 or 10:30 or whatever. >> That's incorrect. John has since backtracked. >> Okay. All right. So, >> right. >> Yeah, that's kind of up in the air. And he originally said like 8 to 9 and then he's now saying I can't. He's saying I can't swear to it. >> Maybe, maybe not. Could it be Sunday? >> So, that makes it look bad for me, I guess. >> Well, it just makes it gray. Hey, I mean not to just we're not going to put >> you guys want to look at any of my body, you want to look at any anything at all, I'm I'm I'm here. >> Well, let's just let's just talk. >> I hope you guys know that I love my wife and I would never hurt her. >> Well, that that's kind of where I was going to go next is so cuz we've kind of beat this timeline down pretty good. So, you guys got married two years ago? >> We got married August 1828. August 28th, 2018. Easy one to remember, right? >> 82818. >> Okay. >> And I had a son. Any tissues or anything? Drink of water. Okay, we know about him. We don't We don't need to >> [snorts] >> We don't want to bring up bad memories. So, let's let's try and focus on Okay. Cuz I don't We don't >> They love They love each other. [snorts] Horrible. Oh, schizophrenia is the worst thing that happened. [clears throat] Um I don't know where to go now. What do you want to know? >> So, what years did you live out in Vegas? >> Um, I did 25 years out there. 934. [clears throat] And I left to come out here um to get my son. He was having trouble in school. And uh not trouble trouble. He just couldn't learn very well out there. And they didn't have special education out there. and my dad said, "Come on out here and live with me and we'll enroll them in um Worthington. They have a special course for kids that aren't doing well." And we so I moved out here and that's when I was out here. I don't know what year that was. Um I'd be guessing it was just a few years ago. He was probably he was a freshman in high school. So he would have graduated this year. So it would have been four years, but he would he was in ninth grade. And we uh em Emily and I met um via the internet and we started dating and um it lasted like uh I don't know a year. My son didn't make it in the school he was going to and uh I ended up having to move out of the house in um in um my dad's home. I was living with my dad and I I ended up in a place I could afford cuz I was I was working at the casino and um here in town which is a real crappy casino. I didn't really make a lot of money and I can only afford to big difference. >> Yeah. I was making really good money out there and so I I I had I moved to um the uh the continent >> and [clears throat] uh it just I just wasn't making enough money so and Emily and I weren't like living together type relationship. Um, so I took off. I said, "I got to go back to Vegas to try to get my job back." And I went back there and my son got sick and um I'd still been in contact with Emily and I'm like, "Emily, Joey's sick." Like sick sick. He's got and I don't have any insurance cuz I quit my job and when I moved back to Vegas, they didn't give you insurance. It was a long process because of that Obamacare. So I didn't have any insurance to take care of my kid that had caught schizophrenia. We didn't know it was Sophie then, but he he was sick. And she said, "Look, come on back here and marry me. Come on back here and marry me. We'll get him in Westerville." So I moved back probably July. We got married in August. We enrolled him in school. >> Okay. >> And that's how things went and things were really, really super great. >> The emotional temperature suddenly rises when Moore emphatically insists, "Boy did not hurt my wife." Almost immediately, he introduces the possibility that Emily could have harmed herself. That shift becomes important because the detective doesn't simply reject the theory. She asks him to explain why he would think that. The conversation then moves toward Emily's emotional state, opening another route into the reality of their relationship. >> And things were great with you and him. [clears throat] >> Okay. All right. >> See my life. >> Now, we all have some issues with our wives. We he he and I have both been married once before and divorced. Okay. Um we all know how marriages are, so there's ups and downs. What were the downs? >> Um I lo lost my sex drive after my kid died sort of and there was an issue with that. >> Okay. >> There was never any She really was really great with the house. She was really meticulous and I liked it. She reminded me of my mother when it came to taking care of a home. And so she would tell me to wash this and do that and I really dug it and it was um we would bicker about she had issues but I don't even know I should really I mean just like any girl >> out there it's important. I mean if we need to know 10 being bliss everyday honeymoon like a honeymoon and one being did you read our text >> can't can't stand each other. I'm just asking which what would you what would you rate it? It would it would fluctuate like a a sign gra sine wave but we were on since 6 months. It was an eight >> last 6 months. >> Absolutely. Did you read our text? >> Well, we haven't gone through everything. There's a there was a >> might be some old text where we were like whatever. But it was after my son died there was >> tension >> stress. She dealt with it differently than I did and and [clears throat] so there was things that were said back and forth. But this the whole Corona thing really >> Oh yeah, >> we became really super. She's like and and we and we're like, "Yeah, we need each other. Let's do this thing." Guys, I did not hurt my wife. I did not hurt my wife. I loved her. I don't know. I would speculate to say that she might have hurt herself, but if she did, you would have found her by now. She would have went down somewhere close >> and done it. >> Was there times when she would kind of say, you know, I'm not afraid to die this thing. Yeah. I mean, don't they all kind of be like that? You know, sort of nothing that I would ever call anybody be like, my wife's going to hurt herself. Nothing. >> Now, why why would you think she would hurt herself? I mean, possibility. >> Because she was not not that she ever would. I'm just saying she she was emotional. She would get emotional. She was very an emotional person and she would say things like and then when Paul when Joseph died it was like this thing where she would be like well if I if I was I would do it if I needed to do it you know or [ __ ] like that. >> Would it surprise you if I said that she didn't seem to be as happy as as you were led to believe? >> Of course >> it would surprise you. >> It wouldn't surprise me. She was sadder than I thought she was. Um, as far as your relationship, >> no, she she loved me. I would be very surprised if there was like a another man. >> No. Well, I'm not saying that, but you know, literally two weeks ago, she there was one person that she kind of confided in through text messages and so forth, >> said something that >> and she said that you she said, "Matt picked another fight with me last night." This was two weeks ago, you know, and then they kind of go on and talk about a little bit. Um, early May, early May. It's worth talking this month. Matt and I are talking and friendly, but it's not the kind of relationship I want. In April, a month ago, please don't talk about Matt and I in love. She said same day. He hasn't been the same since Joey, which I understand. That's not a criticism. I could completely get that. We certainly change it. >> I'm not at all taking it as an insult. >> And at the same time, she said, I think Matt is mentally ill. She And then same day, we aren't talking. Reference your relationship. We're not talking. This was a month ago. She said, we're not talking. And um she said, "I don't want to talk about him. I would rather focus on the future. By the way, Matt got really drunk last February. By the way, Matt got really drunk last night. Said some things I don't think he can take back. I'm fine. I'm pretty sure we are not going to stay together." >> What do you mean that? >> I mean I mean >> now the investigator directly challenges Moore's central narrative. messages describing divorce, arguments, and Emily removing her wedding ring don't fit comfortably with his earlier description of a happy marriage. Moore repeatedly minimizes their significance and explains them as temporary anger. When investigators introduce neighbors who reportedly heard screaming, the pressure increases again. His strategy becomes less about explaining the evidence and more about explaining why the evidence shouldn't be considered important. We would argue about things that I don't I didn't think that it was at that level. >> What What was it that you said that she was mad that you couldn't Okay. >> And she focused on one thing here. >> Matt picked a fight. Again, this is April. This is barely a month ago. >> She would accuse me of picking fights. >> Okay. But this was this was a month ago. Okay. This is this is heavy. >> Matt picked a fight with me yesterday and said some awful things. I'm not wearing my wedding ring. Mhm. >> That doesn't sound like somebody who's in a happy relationship. My I found out my wife texted that to somebody a month ago. >> I I I get it. I I I don't I'm not going to say that that those things. Of course, there was an a roller coaster relationship, but it wasn't like anything that was anything you would think that someone would hurt someone over. It just would it >> I'm not I'm just addressing the fact that you you just told me that the last 6 months have been bliss and innate. >> Not Yes. >> Okay. There have been levels of that and you can check the other texts and they are super I love you. I'm going to see. It's very much a up and down bipolar type relationship that that would go away. That would really go away. It would last for a night. >> Will you will you acknowledge that that's some pretty heavy [ __ ] when your wife says I'm took up my wedding ring. I don't think we're going to stay together. >> It's [clears throat] not as heavy as you think it is. >> You don't think that's You don't think that's >> You might think it is, but it's not. She would be like that at times because of her anger issues. It always swung back. We were always It just It wasn't >> Well, why would you have said that whenever they asked how your relationship I mean when >> I didn't even remember that because it's not in my mindset. The good times have been so good. >> Okay. But those but you know >> you guys are really going to try to >> I'm not trying to do anything. I'm I'm reading your wife's words and [clears throat] she was getting just finish. I understand that. I understand that. Just just let me I'm not saying anything. I'm I'm saying when you come in and say we had a great relationship, told officer Hollis we had a great marriage, no problems whatsoever. And then I read this it's going back 6 months and you text her on New Year's Eve and say if you want a divorce and you want me to move out, fine. I mean these are all things I just printed off which have very >> they aren't the usual fight like I'm pissed at you. [ __ ] off. I don't want to talk to you tonight. just leave me on the front. Um, it's go golfing cuz I don't want to see you right now. I want to be alone. That's >> okay. >> You know, >> well, >> we that's pretty that's >> it's not isn't as heavy as you think it is. You from looking at it from the outside, I can see why someone would think that, but it's not. It's just the level of anger from I'm not going to say it's her fault. I have my issues with my son. I would get angry, too. We would fall back in love the next day. It was just the thing that we would do. And it wasn't and when and when you say, "Hey, how was the last 6 months?" The last 6 months have been really nice, man. I mean, was there a time that we had a night where I said some bad things and she took her wedding ring off? How long ago was that? I mean, >> a month ago. >> It it happened. But I mean, I'm not going to I don't I don't I don't I don't know how to explain to you. >> Do Do you remember that happening, though? >> I remember her. um I think taking her wedding ring off, but it wasn't didn't last. But this this thing has been on forever. >> When was the last argument you and her got into? Screaming match. >> There was never really a screaming match. It was more of just >> when when was the last argument slash loud conversation? >> I couldn't remember. I couldn't tell you. I would be guessing >> because your neighbors are out there saying it was in the last two weeks. >> Would that be correct? I don't know. And there there's the screaming. We were screaming at each other. I have neighbors saying that we were screaming at each other. Yes. >> That they could hear. I I don't know. We weren't there was there might have been a loud whatever screaming, >> but we're not we weren't violent. We weren't screaming like at each other. Oh, like throwing things around. It just wasn't happening. It's not the type of relationship we had. we would get mad at each other because we had if we had issues but they weren't even close to being like she was saying that to her friend. I mean that's surprising to me cuz I wasn't like you know I mean at times you would say I don't want to be married to anymore but it doesn't go down the lines that I'm sitting in a police station right now being a being being like you're going after me. We just have to make sure we know the whole story. >> And trust me, as a man to man, that what was going on there was nothing out of there was nothing to be worried about. There wasn't anything. >> So, let me Can I change course? >> So, it was Officer Hollis. I keep wanting to think it's Sereno, but it was Officer Hollis came out on Monday to to take the report. Correct. >> Okay. now and you know your phone her phone wasn't seized or anything else like that. Were you posting stuff on Facebook from her account using her phone? I don't know. Maybe I knew her passcode. It was my son's old phone. I could have went on there and posted something. I I think I didn't have any of her friends phone numbers, I think. So, I think I was maybe making contact. I'm I'm guessing that I was making some sort of contacts with friends of hers. Are you saying when I was looking for her >> like after she was reported missing? >> And I I'm sure I did use your phone to contact friends of her. >> Did you post something to her Facebook account to her friends on Facebook like, "Hey, she's missing." >> I I didn't until later on when it was told to me that it this was as serious as it was. It wasn't like It was after the I showed up. >> It's I just need to know if you did it and there's nothing wrong with it. I >> don't I can't I don't know, >> Matt. This was 2 days ago. >> I know. >> And you can't remember if you on her phone. Did you Did you get on her Did you think to yourself, And this would make perfect sense to say, "Look, I don't know. I don't know her friends," which we know. >> So, I'm going to get on and you made the comment, "I would like to post things to her account. That's why you wanted her phone back." So, it's been through your mind. It would make perfect sense. I'm going to go on her Facebook account and post, "Hey, has anyone seen Emily? This is her husband." I can't find her. She >> I must have. I can't recall, but I must have. >> You don't remember that? Two days ago. >> I don't I don't I don't know if it was me that but got on my I must have. I had to. >> Was someone else using our phone? >> No. >> So, the phone stayed with at the house the whole time? You didn't like hand it out to a cousin or walking down the street, some Joe Stranger or anything else like that? >> Okay. So if if anything was posted on her account, have you ever accessed her Facebook from your phone? >> I can't. So I've never done I can't access I've tried to post stuff onto her page from my phone, but it doesn't like >> But you can't get in as her on her Facebook. >> I can do it from her from her phone. I can do it. Yeah. Just get on her phone, go to Facebook, and I'm sure I did. I'm sure I did. I can't say I definitively did, but I'm sure I got on Facebook. Hey, this I did, didn't I? I did. You guys know I I went on to say, "Hey, this is Matt. I'm Emily's husband. She's missing." I must have I had to. I just don't recall right now if I did, but I'm pretty I mean, that would be the move to make, right? I mean, >> just cuz we ask you a question, it it doesn't mean that we're going at question. >> I know. [clears throat] You're right. And I'm just I'm just trying to tell you that I if I don't like in my head picture it, I don't want to say I did it, but I'm But I mean, it would be the move to make. I mean, yeah, I I must have. Okay. >> I've been using my phone, her phone, my phone, her phone for the last what, this is Wednesday now. I don't even know what day it is anymore. >> I mean, I've been using two phones. So, it's it's looking at her friends. >> But, you know, you can't post from yours. So, if you posted into her Facebook account, it would have to be through her phone. >> Has to be through her phone. There's no doubt about it. >> Did you use her phone for any other purpose? >> Um, like what? >> Did you text a few You text some friends of hers or in contact? >> I'm sure I did. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I had to because um I don't have a lot of her friends phone numbers and stuff. So, yeah, that was that's why when I gave the phone to you guys, I was like, I need that phone back to contact people. >> Do you think did you make I know you saying say you don't remember, but did you make a couple posts on her Facebook account? Did you make one? Did you make five? >> I mean I mean >> I don't know. >> Do you remember what you wrote? >> I don't. >> Now, the investigator directly challenges Moore's central narrative. messages describing divorce arguments and Emily removing her wedding ring don't fit comfortably with his earlier description of a happy marriage. Moore repeatedly minimizes their significance and explains them as temporary anger. When investigators introduce neighbors who reportedly heard screaming, the pressure increases again. His strategy becomes less about explaining the evidence and more about explaining why the evidence shouldn't be considered important. >> At some point, I started Oh, that's right. When you guys took the phone, that's when I started posting from my phone.