I know you're thinking about it. Speak while you talk or excuse me, speak to me while you're thinking about it so I can hear it. Please tell me. I want to end this conversation with you. I don't want to bring this up again. I don't want to come back to this. I want to get it over with just like you do. So, just tell me, please. Cuz I understand the first three shots or four shots or whatever it was, you don't know how many times you pull the trigger where you hit him, right? Cuz it just happened kind of fast. But that last one, I know you remember. So tell me that one. >> Police heard another gunshot inside. Then she walked out as officers ordered her to keep coming, turn away, and back up. What happened inside? She'll soon have to answer for. Paul, please. Come on. Put your hands up. You're going to get shot. >> Back up. >> Her own children were inside when she allegedly shot their father. >> Hear your side of the story. I want to get it from you because you have a right to tell me what's going on. >> I just I just I just >> Please, open the door. Open the door. Let me see your hands. Come out. Come out. Where's your dad? Where's the dad? >> Where's the house? >> Mom, where's mom at? >> Where's mom? Come on. >> Coral Springs Police, come outside. >> Coral Spring Police, come outside. Coral Springs Police, come outside. Coral Springs Police. You're in the house. Come outside. >> Whatever you want to go. >> Where's your mom at? >> Where's mom at? >> What you didn't hear because you know YouTube guidelines was the sound of another gunshot. So just moments ago, you saw on your screen the twin sons of Denise and Rohan Malcolm leave the home. Only their faces were redacted. One of the boys called 911 after hearing loud bangs. They were reportedly so loud he could hear them while listening to music with his headphones on. When he ran to his parents' bedroom, his mom, Denise, reportedly had a gun in her hand while his dad was suffering from a gunshot wound to the shoulder. So, when police arrived, they were calling for Denise to come out. Then, another shot was fired. >> I got shot. >> I got shot fired inside the house. >> Big police. >> Call big police. Give me a shield. May I shield? >> There's a female inside. The mom's still inside. Call police. police. Come out with your hands up to get that shot. >> Come out with your hands up. >> 25. I got two juveniles outside. >> Come on out. Come on out. Come on out. Come on out. >> Come out to me now. Come out to me now. >> Keep coming out. Do it now. Keep coming out. Keep coming out. Turn away from me. Turn away. Back. Back. Back. Back. Back. Who's inside? Who's got a gun? >> Who's got a gun? >> Back up. >> Don't call people. We need someone to grab her. >> Yeah. That's two of them came out. >> Call me police. >> Sir, is somebody hurt in here? >> 24. The front door is a jar. One female is out. We're making announcements at the door. We have units in the back door. All right. Hold the air. Making entry. 103 traffic. >> Huh? Look, we're just detaining right now. Okay. What's going on? Subject down in the bedroom. >> Police are standing outside. Two teenage boys walk out with their hands up, but their mother doesn't. Disturbing. Denise later told detectives that final shot was supposed to be for herself. So, what made her turn the gun back on him? That answer comes out in the interrogation. All right. Malcolm or Denise? Just waiting for my partner to get started. You know where they >> um they are going to Well, that's a good question. I'll ask you when he gets in here. I don't want to start without him here, but yeah. Basically, uh um you have a sister nearby, I heard. >> My brother. >> Your brother. Okay. What's your brother's name? >> Clifford. Clifford. Brother Clifford. What? >> Lake. >> What? >> Lake. >> Blake. >> Okay. What's his phone number? >> I don't know. >> You don't know. Is it in a phone? >> Huh? >> Is it in your phone? >> Yes. >> Where's your phone now? >> I don't. >> Okay. Where did they live? It's >> on my license. I don't know. >> He used to live with them. >> But you use their He used her address. >> A mother, a gun, and one final shot that changed everything. Let's watch. >> We'll figure it out. Um, yeah, they're probably going to go hang out with your uh your brother for the time being. Um, but my sergeant and uh another detective are on scene right now handling that. Okay. So, what we're here to do is talk to you about what happened tonight, right? You ever watch those TV shows, Adult Crime and stuff like that? Obviously, the other day I have to read this to you. You want to read it while I'm talking? We'll both read it together. Basically, all it says is you have the right >> police read Denise Malcolm her Miranda rights law. >> All right. So, let's go over your name. Make sure I got it right. That is Denise. D N I S E. >> It is. >> And your middle name? >> Nicole. >> N I C >> O L E. >> O L E. Okay. And Malcolm M A L C >> O L M. >> Date of birth >> 6479. >> And you live there at that address? >> Third Street. Okay. And your son twins? >> Yeah. >> And your is it your ex-husband? >> No, my husband, >> but you're separating. Is that correct? You were getting a divorce. Your son told me you were getting a divorce. You hadn't gotten it yet, though. Okay. Just wanted to clarify. You got a good kid, by the way. He's a great kid. He really is. He told me a little bit about the history with you guys. Look at me. He told me a little bit about the history and I'm sorry you had to go through that. Okay. Honestly, honestly, nobody should have to deal with somebody betraying them. >> At first, Denise frames everything around betrayal. She says the relationship had been falling apart and the lies had finally become too much. The detective doesn't challenge that explanation. Yet, he lets her establish her own motive. But now he wants to know one thing. What happened tonight that turned years of resentment into a decision to use a gun? >> He also told me that you guys were living separately in the house. How long has that been going on? >> Separately, a year and a half. >> So, you've been living in two different rooms for a year and a half. Not before that. >> No, not before that. >> Okay. cuz he wasn't sure. Yeah. He didn't even know you had a gun, >> huh? >> He didn't even know you own guns. [snorts] He was like, "I've never seen him shoot before." I was taking my kid out at like 10, so I guess it was weird like that. Um, did you just buy that? >> No. >> No. >> Maybe a year ago. >> Oh, you had that long. Just kept it for the kids for their safety. Okay, talk to me. Look at me. You want to talk to him? We talk to him. >> I'm James, by the way. >> I should myself. >> I'm like, I know he's a good looking guy. >> He's got this new kicker. I'm growing my hair out like your son. So, it's like, [laughter] >> you can tell it's to my disin. >> I'm the young one. >> I'm the old one. [laughter] >> What were you born? >> Huh? Huh? What year were you born? >> 79. >> Oh god, I'm still older than everybody. >> I'll give you >> I'll take it. [laughter] >> Um, your watch. >> Mhm. >> Is that a smartwatch? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can you do me a favor and give that to him for me? We We have to take it from you. >> Is that connected to your phone? >> No. Tell him phone number? >> No. >> Okay. Never seen that one. >> Can you shut those off? >> I don't know. >> Yeah. Don't just leave it on. Um, oh, you probably have to open it up to shower, come >> Okay. >> Um, so did he, your son didn't tell me if he uh your husband was abusive? I'm just going to go out and say it. >> I'm trying to be as as as cordial as possible, but >> No, he wasn't physically abusive. Okay. >> So, you bought the gun a year and a half ago, not to protect yourself from him? >> No. >> Okay. >> I don't think it's a year and a half ago. Maybe a year ago. >> Who'd you get it from? >> Torn shop. >> What kind of gun was it again? >> A 30 380 or 38. Okay. And uh it was I saw it for a half a second. This semi-automatic, right? So it was a what do you remember what kind it was? Cuz a burrito. >> I'm sorry. >> A burrito. >> Burrito. >> Burma. >> Bur bur. >> Something like that. >> I think it's a 38. Have you ever shot before that you got that gun or is this the first time you owned one? >> First time I own one. I've been to the range a couple times. >> Yeah. So, why don't you tell me what happened tonight? I mean, we all pretty much know, but you know, I want to hear your side of the story. I want to get it from you because you have a right to tell me what's going on. I just I just slept. I just couldn't do it anymore. >> I didn't want you. >> We've been going back and forth. Um, and I was going to move out. He kept saying I'm going to take the kids away from him. It's better we stay together. But I don't want to live like that. So, what happened tonight that made you, as you put it, snap? It's just the lies. The the constant lies. The constant You don't want me to move out. You don't want me to leave. You keep saying you want your family, but you don't because you keep doing what you're doing. We're going to do a um we're going to have a >> little family thing tomorrow because it's Labor Day. So, we went to Sam's. We got meat. We got stuff. We're going to >> like a cookout barbecue. >> Okay. >> When did you do that? Today. >> Yeah. I came back and all of a sudden he's telling me his um friends need him to come and go somewhere and he's going to go um go with his friend Chris. Then I see a bag. Chris, why do you need a bag? So the liars just keep coming again and again and again. >> What back? >> So it's almost like a overnight bag. Like a backpack? >> No. >> Little duffel bag. >> Almost like a carryon but a tiny one. You went on a business trip and you have the >> Yeah. Did it have an extended handle and all that? >> That type of one. >> Gotcha. Okay. So, you confront him with that. What happens now? >> We just started arguing. >> And where were you when this happened? >> The arguing part. >> In the room. >> Which room? >> I'm sorry. Middle room. >> Which room? >> The middle room. >> Which is his room or your room? >> Yeah, his room. >> Okay. >> That's pretty much it. >> Well, did you bring the gun in with you or did you have to go get it? >> I don't know. >> You went and got it? Where was it? >> In my room. >> There your bedroom. Did you keep it locked away somewhere? It has a little um came in a little. >> This detail changes the way the moment can be understood. Denise says the gun wasn't already in her hand. It was hidden in her bedroom and she had to go retrieve it. She also explains that it wasn't kept loaded with a round in the chamber. So between the argument and the shooting, there was a separate decision to arm herself and return. The detective now wants to know what happened when she walked >> in the closet. What kind of case? Like a black little black case. They usually come in like little plastic black cases. >> Yeah. >> I usually hide it in I have a lot of stuff packed up in my closet. So I usually just hide it behind the stuff cuz nobody goes in my closet. >> Like a shelf up high. So that's where it was when you went to go get it. >> Yeah. I toss the case in the my dirty basket. >> The laundry basket. >> Laundry basket. >> Was it loaded already? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You loaded it like that's how you put it away. You have it loaded. What? Does that mean like full magazine in one in the chamber? >> Like did you have to rack it? Yeah, I have to rack it. >> So, when you took it out of the box, open the case and you had to rack it. >> Yes. >> Or was it already ready to go? >> No, don't keep it ready just in case the kids find it. But we're happy to deal with it on it, but I didn't keep it with one in the chamber. >> Okay. You mind telling me what made you go get it? I just felt betrayed cuz last night we were talking happy and the whole family thing and he always does that. He always make it seem like we're working on our relationship and then he just sideswipe it with some BS. >> How long has this been going on? like two years. >> Almost two years. >> So you uh did I mean do you specify anything today that like you said he was going to go with his friends and like at what point did you get mad? maybe an hour before everything happened cuz I said we were just planning the barbecue and everything and then obviously he had this planned out all all along. So the whole barbecue was a lie. So he just made it seem like his friends just call and they're planning some road trip out of town and he's just going to go for a day or two. What are you talking about? Why you got to sleep? I don't understand. So we just got >> that was about an hour before you got your gun. That's when he mentioned the trip that he's going to go. So, we just started from then, but it didn't get heated until like the hour later when I realized he was serious. Thought he just thought he was serious. He was going. >> So, were you in his room when you found out he was serious? when you realize it. Anyway, >> the whole the whole conversation was in his room. We were in the kitchen, in my room, >> his room. >> But once you realized he was serious, >> we were in his room. >> And that's when you walked out and went to your bedroom and got the gun. So tell me what happens when you walk back in. >> Nothing. >> What? I just pulled the trigger. >> How many times? >> I don't know. Felt [clears throat] like a lot. >> More than two. >> Yes. When the cops showed up and started giving you commands, they heard one more pop, one more loud bang. What was that, Denise? I know what it is. I just need you to get it off your chest. Look at me. Don't let it eat you out. Get it off your chest. You'll sleep better. You'll live better. Talk to me. Look at me. Thanks. Hey, look at me. I'm right here. Hey, tell me. >> Shouldn't have lied. He should just let us divorce. >> But why the last shot? Was he Did he say something to you that really pissed you off at the last time? Where'd you shoot him? It's okay. You can toss. Where' you shoot? >> Was it in the back of the head? >> I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. I guess so. >> Well, you were there. I wasn't. >> Doesn't matter. I did it. >> As I said in the beginning, I know I I just I want the specifics. I don't want anything, you know, cuz your kids were trying to kind of stick up for you and not say stuff to us. But the good kids, I get it. But I don't want them to get wrangled into this. So, I'd rather hear every specific from you. >> They were in there. They're in the living room. >> I get you. Look at me. I got one that one question I need answered. I need to answer that one question. [snorts] When the police are there and your son's left, >> I was supposed to shoot myself. >> That was your plan. >> I was supposed to shoot myself. >> What would you do instead? [snorts] >> I heard him yelling. I just froze. >> That pissed you off again? So that last shot was supposed to be for you, but you pointed it at him. >> This detail changes the way the moment can be understood. Denise says the gun was already in her hand. It was hidden in her bedroom and she had to go retrieve it. She also explains that it was a kept loaded with a round in the chamber. So between the argument and the shooting, there was a separate decision to arm herself and return. The detective now wants to know what happened when she walked back in. >> Tell me. You tell me in your own words. Don't let me guess at this. I don't want to guess. It's okay. But we're almost done. Let's just get this over with. Hang in there. Okay. Couple more minutes. >> Was he on the ground when you shot him the last time? >> He was on the ground. >> Was he on his stomach or on his back? Um, it was on his back. >> Okay. And when you shot him that last time, where did you shoot him? I know you're thinking about it. Speak while you talk or excuse me, speak to me while you're thinking about it so I can hear it. Please, [snorts] [sighs] tell me, I want to end this conversation with you. I don't want to bring this up again. I don't want to come back to this. I want to get it over with just like you do. So, just tell me, please. Cuz [clears throat] I understand the first three shots or four shots or whatever it was, you don't know how many times you pulled the trigger, where you hit him, right? Cuz it just happened kind of fast. But that last one, I know you remember. So tell me that one since you can't tell me the other ones. You do that for me. You're going to put me in this. >> Well, I just wanted you just tell me first before we go. >> Well, don't need to tell me this. You clearly wanted to yourself at the end of this. What happened? >> I don't know. >> Talk to me. >> I I don't know. That was a plan. That was the plan. >> But why didn't you do it? There's a reason why just I just froze. Just >> You said you heard him yelling. >> Yeah, I heard him yelling. Um, >> I heard him yelling and I just started doing what they said. It's >> what? Who said >> the cops were saying? >> Cops weren't there. >> Oh, it wasn't the cops. >> No, I mean, they weren't there when that happened. They They were outside, but they weren't in their room. >> No, I wasn't saying they were in the room. >> So, I I need to hear from you, not them. They didn't see it. I just want the truth. The whole truth. Nothing but the truth, as we say. I don't want to guess. I don't want to write something down that might not be true. I don't want to say, "Well, you know, she just did this instead of this. I'd rather just tell the story as it is and be done." Will you let me do that, please? >> Yeah. The story >> up until that point. Just that last part is all I need. >> Doesn't matter. >> It does to me. >> I did it. It doesn't matter. >> I know you did, honey. I know. And I know you're distraught about it, but I just want to know, was he on his stomach when you shot him or was he on his back? He >> was on his back. >> How did he get it in the back of his head? >> He was on his back. >> Okay. You had to shoot him. The last time he was on his back, you shot him in the face. Is that what happened? He must have said something to you to stop you from [clears throat] killing yourself, which really upset you even more than you were already upset. But it stopped you. Look at me. It stopped you killing yourself and it pushed you to shoot him again. What did he say to you? I I it does matter. Every little bit matters. >> I did. It's okay. I did it. >> I understand. But it does matter, honey. >> It does matter. >> I didn't They didn't see anything. >> How do I know that if you don't tell me everything? >> Cuz if I if I know this much noise, they didn't see anything. >> But if they were in the living room, the room's right there. But >> they didn't see it. They didn't see it. Can you answer this for me, Denise? Were you outside the room or inside the room when you shot him? Um, just the door right. >> And did you ever go full Did you ever go into the room? I >> went in and closed the door behind me. >> Okay. So, I understand that there's shell casings on the outside of the bedroom and then there are shell casings on the inside. >> Yeah, we got out the doorway and I I stepped in and closed the door. >> Okay. So, how close were you when you shot him the last time? >> Same same distance, I guess, where you are where I am. >> Okay. Did you shoot him in the head? [snorts] >> I guess it's not a guess. You You would know, >> I guess. So, >> it's either yes or no. Denise, did you stand over him and shoot him in the head? It's not going to change anything. >> I didn't stand over was where where you were >> and you're aiming towards his head, I guess. >> So, >> sweetie, it's not going to change anything. I just want you to understand that. >> And if it doesn't change anything, then why you keep going? >> Because I want to hear the truth. And I want to hear it come out of your mouth. >> I already know the truth. >> Okay. I really don't know. >> Did he hit you at all? >> No, not till I know. >> What about in the past? >> He He's not a abusive person. Any hit and it's not like a beat up or anything. It be more like a toss up or something. He has enough caught my kicked me in and beat me up. Okay. >> What about tonight? >> No, we were just arguing. >> Okay. >> When asked what happened after she returned, Denise gives almost no narrative, just Oy pulled the trigger. She can say say exactly how many times, only that it felt like a lot. Then the detective introduces the detail that changes the entire interrogation. After police arrived, there was another gunshot. Denise knows what he means and now he wants her to explain that final shot. >> Okay. Were you angry >> which is why you went to go get your gun? Describe me what your emotions are. >> Betrayed. >> And I think you have every right to feel that way. I would be betrayed, too. Did you feel better after you shot him? No. Did you feel somewhat relieved? This is a man that you have children with. Correct. And this is a man that I know you love because >> as much as you want to [snorts] and like I always tell people, when you have kids with someone, whether you want to love or not, you can't help it because they gave you two hands. He gave you two handsome boys. >> He did. >> He truly did. >> He did. How do you feel right now? [sighs] >> I'm worried for my sons. >> In what way? >> They should bump in dirt. [sighs] >> I wish they weren't dirt. >> I know. Where's the gun at? Where'd you put the gun? I got when they told me to come my hand up. I think I put it on the um the the desk in the room. >> Okay. >> Thanks for the police. >> And you came out and you were apprehended by the police. >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Okay. And where were your boys at at that point? Um, I don't know because I locked the door behind me. I when I was in the room, the door was locked. So, I don't want to be guessing the window. >> Okay. Was there anyone else in the house other than the four of you? And you lived there with your two sons and your husband, correct? >> Yeah. >> Does your husband ever like leave and stay long periods of time or go out for 2 days or 3 days and then come back home? >> No. He'll stay up late sometimes, pretend he has to go to work and then fix something at work or his friends call him to do something. >> What does he do for work? >> It see. >> And where do you think he is when he's out when he's supposed to be working? >> Another woman. Do you have any confirmation that that's true or >> I found out about someone which is why we were in separate rooms as to leave out taking his stuff out the room cuz that was that was an office >> and that happened 2 years ago year and a half ago. >> And how did you find out about this woman? um similar to what he's doing the he got to go help this person do something, he got to go help that person do something. And did you confront this woman or you just did she call you or >> I didn't call her cuz he said she was just a friend and I was overreacting. >> And how did that conversation go? Um, at first when I the first time I called and she didn't say anything and we spoke another couple months later and I'm like, I know something is going on. This is and she said, "Yeah, he still denied it." Even though she said yes, he still denied. >> And that's the only woman that you know about or is there any new? >> That's the only one I know. So tonight, did he mention did you mention anything about infidelity tonight during your argument? >> Yes. >> And what did he say? He >> said he was just going to go out with his friends. >> And you did you believe that? Did you What did you say to him? >> Was lying. >> And what did he say to you? >> Listen to his daughter. He didn't say that he was Did he tell you these friends he was going to go hang out with? >> Huh? >> Did he tell you the friends that he was going with? >> Um, he did. Um, his friend had a birthday dinner recently. We were all supposed to go, but I didn't I didn't feel like I let him and the boys go. That was Sunday. So he was claiming it's the same friend still celebrating his birthday and was going to go to Port St. Lucy. >> Here the story takes a completely different turn. Denise says she was supposed to shoot herself, but hearing Ronny yell made her freeze. The detective does simply accept that explanation. He keeps bringing her back to the final moment asking where Ronny was and what happened because the earlier shots may be unclear in her memory. But he believes this last one should be different. And that is exactly where he focuses. >> Do you still think the same girl is around or do you think it's someone new? I >> think it's her. >> Have you ever met her in person? >> No. >> Just talk to her on the phone. And does he have like a I call it a throw down phone. Does he have a throw down phone? >> He has his personal phone and his work phone. >> And do you believe that he's using his personal phone or his work phone to meet up with this girl? It says personal form. >> And when you confronted him tonight again about infidelity, what did he did he deny it? >> I did. >> But you didn't believe him. >> No. >> And then you felt betrayed. >> I did. >> Because he told you pretty much told you a story again. Another story. Have >> you just Why plan the cookout? Why plan all these things and then come an hour later to tell me your friend is going to Port St. Lucy? That was planned. That didn't just pop up out of nowhere. You had it all planned. So you had no you had no plans of doing a cook or barbecue. It was all a lie. >> Yeah. Do you feel stupid? >> I did. And you're a little bit upset at him because you felt you >> keep believing every time he comes with this crab. >> Yeah. >> He's telling you a dream or trying to sell you a dream and you're unfortunately falling back into the trap. And what's your husband's name? >> Bonnie. Ronnie, did Ronnie know you had a gun? >> He believed me. I didn't show it to him. >> So, when you walked out of the room [clears throat] the first time and went into your room to get your gun, did you tell him you were going to go get it? >> No. >> And then when you appeared with it, did you say anything to him? I just told I've had [clears throat] enough. I said enough. Enough. >> You've had enough. You're tired. >> Did he have enough time to say anything to you before you started firing rounds? Um, have his phone. Have his phone. Um, I think he's just commenting. I'm just commenting [snorts] >> at this point. Where were the boys? Um I think I was watching TV was I think maybe in this room. So when you started firing rounds from in the doorway area, right? I think they were frozen cuz I looked at I look around and um they were just staring and I told them not to not to come any closer. >> I thought the door was shut. Did I get there wrong? >> I shot my [clears throat] I was at the doorway when when I saw that they were in the living room. I went in and closed the door behind me. >> So when you shot him, when you were in the doorway, did he fall on the ground? He didn't fall. It was more like trying to get away like but not fall. >> And then once you closed the door, what was he did he say anything to you at that point? >> Yeah, he was talking to you. Because now you're mad. >> Just know why. Why? >> And once the door shut, how many rounds do you think you fired then? >> More. >> I wasn't going to find any more except from me. I only fired one more until it was closed. Just >> the detective now removes every escape route from the answer. Denise says she froze, but he points out that the police weren't in the room when it happened. Then he moves from emotion to physical evidence, her position, the doorway, the shell casings, and the final shot. When she says, "Kai, guess he stops her." This isn't I guess she was there. And now the question becomes brutally specific. And when you fire that round, did he say anything else? >> Is that a now? >> Well, no. I don't remember. >> So, you're shaking your head now, but then you're telling me you don't remember? I want to say something that he had said earlier that he said at the end, but maybe it wasn't at the end, maybe it was earlier. >> Let me ask you this, Denise. Did you want dead? >> No. Did you want to scare him? >> Even I said. >> Yeah. Oh, and I would put [clears throat] it on kill myself. So, yes. And I would put on him. So, when you went in the room and closed the door, he was still alive. Correct. Because was he still talking when you closed the door? >> Yes. >> And then when you fired around again, he stopped. >> Yes. >> And at that point, you heard the police, correct? >> Yes. Mhm. >> So, you accomplished what you wanted accomplished, correct? >> I guess so. I guess so. >> But there's one part you didn't accomplish, Denise. And that's you sitting here talking to me. >> I know. I wasn't supposed to be here. >> What if I tell you I'm very glad that you are here? >> Your boys still have your mom. >> Doesn't matter. They They still have their mom. planned out for them. You know, [snorts] what do you have planned out for him? >> College to start his um you know for Broward College cuz he's going to start his um but he's just in nth grade. He can do the college credits from >> Mhm. >> college courses. The door won't even do that. >> No, he'll do it because you're still here to push him to do that. He screwed up. I screwed up. Your boys are very, very smart, Denise. They know everything that you've been through. Like them, like I always say, I have four sisters and my mom raised me. I'm the only boy. So, I know your boys love you till the end. Even though you're in this situation, they are going to love you regardless because they know what you've been through. And they're probably hurting just as much as you are. >> I know they are. >> They are. I know. I know. I know. [clears throat] Told them we were going to move to North Carolina. >> Who lives up there? >> My cousin up there. So, we're going to start over. Nope. >> So, if you were to do something different, what would you do different tonight? >> Just the what I usually do. Then he says, "This crap. I just shut it off." >> After forcing the physical details, the detective shifts back to emotion. He asks whether Ronnie had attacked her, whether she was angry, and what she actually felt before getting the gun. Her answer is one word, betrayed. Then she says shooting him didn't make her feel better or relieved. That creates powerful contradiction in motive. And the detective now goes back to the relationship that she says caused it. You're strong, but I think you've had, like you said, enough. Those are your words, right? You had enough, Denise. [clears throat] We're going to look in your phone. His phone. Do you have the codes or do we have to break into it? >> Mine is. My poison. Mine is on. >> I don't know. He keeps changing it. I don't know. >> How did you get her number? >> Cuz we were on one on one family plan. Someone started making strange phone call. I was I checked You checked it from >> the call logs. >> The call logs for so like online or whatever and then that's how you found it. You found a phone number you didn't recognize. You just called it randomly just to see who it came from. Or did it have a name by it? I googled the number. What was her name? >> Michelle. >> Michelle. >> You said Rochelle or Michelle? >> Michelle. >> Oh, Michelle. >> Sorry, I didn't hear it. >> Sorry. Um, >> is there anything that you want to ask me or ask my partner Jeremy? >> Make sure my poison brother's house still be taken care of. >> And your brother, did your brother live in Coral Springs? Yeah, right right by my house. Like maybe a mile away. >> And what about Ronnie's family? Where's his family? >> Um, he doesn't have any family in Florida. His friends live in Jamaica. >> Is his mother still alive? >> No, both our friends are dead. Well, his dad is still alive. >> What is his dad of Jamaica? >> Yes. >> What about his siblings? Does he have any siblings? >> He has sisters. And where do they live? >> Jamaica. >> Anyone live in the United States? >> Doesn't know. >> Okay. Do you get along with his family? Doesn't He's not a family person like I am. close to my family. He's not so close to one of his sisters. So, not even his dad. The boys hardly probably only spoken to their granddad twice. I don't force it. I don't know. We don't force him. >> And do you have any sisters? >> Me? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Are they local as well? Um, one sister in New York and the other one is in Jamaica. >> Okay. So, when we talk to your brother, what do you think he's going to say? >> A little bit disappointed. >> Does he know about what's going on between you and Ronnie? >> Yeah. >> Has he tried to get you to move out and live with him? >> Yeah. Um, so that's how I realized I couldn't go to North Carolina cuz um, we were talking and he said, "Can't take the kids out of state have to be certain radius." So >> without permission. >> Yeah. So, um he was telling me to um call some places since I can't move out of state to um get a house and have some. So, what's going to happen is my >> By now, the interrogation has moved far beyond a simple argument. Denise explains that Ronnie didn't know she was going to get the gun, then describes returning with it and saying she'd had enough. She also remembers her sons nearby and Ronnie still talking after she entered the room. The detective keeps separating what she felt from what she actually did. And that final distinction is what makes the ending so difficult to ignore. >> The crime scene unit is going to come here. They're going to photograph you. They're going to take pictures of you. They're going to take your clothes. Um, we have to figure out where we're going to make sure we get the boy the right cuz we've been in here. So, make sure the boys get to the right place. Um, [clears throat] >> please, >> if you have any questions for us, we'll be here. The officer will be sitting in with you. You can always come in. will drop everything to. Like I said, I know it's a very shitty situation to be in and it's very unfortunate. I hate that you are in this situation, but at the end of the day, you're a human. I'm a human. He's a human. You know, >> how do you keep your hair up like that? >> Your hair is that in a tie. >> Just the role. >> There's no tie [clears throat] in that. >> It's like elastic band. >> Okay. We're going to have to take that off. Okay. >> Okay. >> We'll get a female officer to help out with all that. >> All right. If you have any questions for us before we go, >> we'll be close by. Okay. >> You take care of yourself. All right. >> Thank you. >> I know you're very stressed, but I'll check in on you before we leave. Okay. >> All right. Nice. >> [clears throat] >> What do you see? Look closely at his story. 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