When I went in that house, I didn't intend on hurting anybody. And I didn't know what I was doing cuz I was dyphosate dyphosated. I even had I went on live on I don't know, man. I [ __ ] up. I'm a dumb idiot. I should be acting older than I am. >> I You work your ass off. You're You're mature, though. >> I am mature, but I did dumb [ __ ] I guess. >> How old are you? 19? >> 19. >> 19 year olds do dumb [ __ ] That's life. >> Yeah, but dude, I Not Not every 19 year old does some stupid [ __ ] like this. >> Yeah, I've been I've seen it a lot more than you think. >> I ain't just some jackass piece of trash. >> You're not I I I I >> November 8th, 2016. Jackson, Michigan. Anthony Gilleo is drunk live on Facebook waving a gun and daring people to fight him. Then he reaches a house on Jefferson Street, kicks the door in and starts shooting. One of those shots hits 26-year-old Brittany Southwell while she's holding her 7-month-old baby. Later in the interrogation room, Gilleo tries to explain why he went there. >> All right. I'm Detective Stanley. >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you, too. And we're up nice and early. >> I've been horrible all night, man. >> Horrible. All right, I got to read you your rights cuz you're here in our custody, okay? >> Mhm. >> How do you spell your first name? >> A N A N T H O N Y O U S. A N T H O N Y. >> Yep. Middle name? >> J O E >> J O E. >> S T H >> S T H. And last? >> G I L L I A >> G I L L I A. How do you pronounce that? >> Gilleo. >> Gilleo? All right. Okay. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer before answering any questions or making a statement and to have a lawyer present during questioning or while making the statement. If you cannot afford a lawyer, if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before questioning at any time during the questioning if you so desire. You can answer questions or make any statement without talking to a lawyer or having a lawyer present, but you still have the absolute right to stop at any time you wish and to answer no further questions or make no further statement. Or you may at any time wish to stop answering questions or making any statement until you consult a lawyer or having a lawyer present during any questioning. Do you understand all that? >> Yep. >> State date. >> August the 8th. >> 8th. >> 7:08 a.m. today. That's all I am to >> Number eight. So Number eight, 16. Okay. The above The above statement of rights have been read and explained to me. I have had the opportunity to ask questions concerning my rights and I now fully understand what my rights are. I wish to answer questions or to make a statement without first consulting a lawyer or having without having a lawyer present during questioning. I waive my rights to remain silent and to the presence of a lawyer at this time and I wish to state no promises or threats have been made to me or any inducements or any other threats. Do you understand >> Yep. >> And sign here. >> Uh Chris >> Your name, however you sign it. I have people sign it with an X. If that's what they do, that's what they do, you know. Some people say I might as well do that cuz my name is sloppy sometimes. >> Yeah. >> So How old are you? >> 19. >> 19? >> Yep. What's your birthday? >> Okay. >> You from Jackson? >> Uh uh born in Jackson, but I live in Summit City. >> What do you do in Jackson? >> Up here. What brings me there? >> Summit City is more interesting. Isn't it? >> It's kind of your town. >> Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Fishing, hunting, good stuff. >> Yeah, that's what I like to do. >> You a fisherman? >> I like to fish. I like to work, man. >> You work? >> I work on trees. >> They keep you busy? >> Oh, yeah. I'm a climber. [snorts] >> Are you? >> Yeah. >> You keep that, man. The older I get, the more my feet need to stay on the ground. >> Gilia, it's >> This is 19-year-old Anthony Gilia, and detectives are questioning him about the shooting that left 26-year-old Brittany Southwell dead. Just hours earlier, he was live on Facebook, waving a gun and challenging people to fight. Now, detectives want to know what led him to kick down that door and open fire. >> I don't even know what 10 pieces is. >> Yeah. >> I don't have the balance I used to. I used to when I was younger, when I was your age. >> Yeah. >> So, now I'm old and gray. I keep my feet on the ground. >> Yeah. >> No no skydiving, no none of that stuff. You know? So. >> All right. Tell me why you're here. >> I honestly uh I mean I mean I mean Don't waste my time, please. >> Yeah, yeah. >> I mean, give me some respect here. >> Yeah, yeah. >> I I got a job to do. I'm asking what happened tonight. >> I got [ __ ] drunk off my ass. I don't ever drink, ever. I ate a um I ate a uh bean and cheese burrito from Taco Bell. No, no. I went to uh Star's party store in Michigan Center. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> That's where I got it. >> Do you know who Ashley is yet? >> Yeah. >> No. >> Yep. That's what I did, and uh >> Okay. >> Ashley Boardman, Ashley Nicole Boardman. >> Okay. Who's that? >> Um the girl the bigger girl that was in the car with me. >> I don't know nothing that's going on. So, I don't know names and I don't know anything like that. So, >> Okay, well >> me after She's on felony probation. >> Boardman? >> Yeah. Um >> So, you have Marido? You're with Ashley? >> And my girlfriend Amber, she had nothing to do with nothing. >> Amber didn't? >> Amber um Seger. >> Seger S A >> G E R >> G E R? >> She had nothing to do with it. >> Okay. Amber didn't? >> No, nothing to do with it. I swear. >> All right. >> Well, um Honestly, I was drinking. I hardly ever drink cuz I'm usually working my ass off. >> How many hours you work in a week? >> It's hard to say. Sometimes we work 80 hours Monday through Sunday. >> Mhm. >> And then sometimes we'll have slow weeks where my um boss has got stuff to do and you know. Well, um I don't know. >> Do you get paid well? >> Oh, yeah. I'm a climber. So, >> You get paid more than everybody else? >> Oh, yeah. I'm not a I'm just I'm not just a general laborer. >> You go up in trees and >> Yeah, yeah. I climb and cut them out and get them out and stuff. >> Got you. >> Yeah. >> Rope them off and >> Yeah. >> climb stuff. >> Yeah. >> So, Amber didn't have nothing to do with it? >> No, Amber had nothing to do with it. She Honestly, that know the whole way there. >> Okay. >> But, um Honestly, I don't really remember [ __ ] Like >> Well, I I'm just going to make sure your story is the same as as Amber's and the same as Ashley's. >> Right, right. >> They're they're going to tell me what's going on. Tell me what's up. >> Right, right. Well, Ashley is um a compulsive liar. >> Mhm. >> She um she's not on felony probation. >> is Amber a compulsive liar? >> Oh, no. That's my girlfriend. I would I wouldn't uh throw myself with them with her like that if she was anyway. I mean, I don't know. I don't Listen, I'm going to tell you why. Been doing this a minute. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Okay? >> Okay. You know what I'm saying? I can tell when somebody's trying to be evasive and all that stuff and all that happy jazz. >> Yeah, just be honest. >> It's going to It's going to look better for you being honest than you trying to beat around the bush. >> Cuz I'm going to get a hold of every single person involved. I'm going to talk to them and they're going to lay the story out regardless. >> Yeah, I'm not going to lie to you. Amber I lied >> Why Why did you guys go there to do that? Up on Jefferson Street. >> Okay, we went to the um pump canner place on Web Road. >> On Web Road? >> Yeah, Web. Well, um for some reason I I got really shit-faced, man. I had a UV blue. >> Okay. >> And I probably chugged three Smirnoff uh the yellow the yellow the yellow can. I don't know what can it is. >> The bottles? >> Yeah, the um they're like that big. >> When the detective asks why they went to that house, Anthony starts talking about how much he had been drinking. Then he brings up his mother kicking him out and letting his ex stay there. Those problems clearly mattered to him, but they still leave one important question unanswered. Why did the night end with gunfire? >> they're like that big. It's a bottle. >> Okay. >> Well, I don't drink that often cuz I'm usually working my ass off. >> Mhm. >> But my mom kicked me out of the house and kept my ex. No, no. It's been a while. She kicked me out of the house like and left or let my ex live there after I paid her $100. >> Mhm. >> Just recently. She kicked me out and let my or let my ex live there. >> Who's your ex? >> Amber um Up hold. I think she's still married. She lied to me, that's why we up. She brought up her ex. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, she like you, she kicked you out and let's your ex live there? >> Yeah. >> For a hundred bucks? >> Well, I paid a hundred bucks when I left. >> Okay. >> But, I paid more since then. Nothing's on record. She was my mom, I trusted her. >> Yeah. Well, um I finally decided to say, "Screw it." I left. On my own. Um I've still been working and all that, but I've been secre- I have O D D. >> Mhm. >> And I'm on social security cuz I do have a lot of mental problems. >> Okay. >> I do have anger issues. >> Mhm. >> Well, I drank a little too much and I was getting persuaded. >> By who? >> Ashley. >> Ashley >> Boardman. >> Persuaded to do what? >> She stopped at the house. She was driving my car cuz I was in time to get there. Yeah. >> So, Ashley stopped at the house with her car? >> Yeah, because no, my car. That Expedition is mine. I work for it. >> So, you were at the house, she pulls up in the >> I wasn't driving. >> I know, I'm not talking about you driving. >> Yeah. >> So, she she had your car? >> Yeah, she was driving. I had no clue where we were going. We went to um You know that little like there's a little white house? >> Mhm. >> And then across from that I I don't know if this Lucky um bar but there's like a little um there's like a little uh um I'd say like a um liquor store. >> Mhm. >> Um I don't know if it's called Lucky's or whatever. My dad would be able to tell you. >> If we called him. >> But, um we went there, she got me Well, I paid for it, but she got me some Smirnoff. >> Okay. >> And uh basically she she went and got the Tanqueray and my girlfriend ended up having me chug them all. >> Okay. >> But, that wasn't because she was trying to get me to do anything that I didn't want to or anything. It's cuz she wanted to get me hammered or whatever. I I >> Your girlfriend did? >> Yeah, you know, you know how that goes, like partying or whatever. >> Mhm. >> And I'm not really the one to party. >> So so >> [music] >> Ashley is the one that Ashley is the one that comes over in your car? So you're at home, right? Ashley arrives in your car? >> No, um well, this is how it started. My mom kicked me out. My brother was away a long while ago. Like yeah, yeah. My brother basically broke up with my ex. >> Your brother broke up >> my [clears throat] brother broke up with his, well, Ashley Boardman. >> Mhm. >> And then um >> Your brother is actually Ashley Boardman? >> Yeah. Well, um I thought it was [ __ ] up because he just left her in the dirt. >> Mhm. >> And then basically what happened was was me and my girlfriend Amber stayed with her and her sister Lindsey Boardman. >> Mhm. >> And um she lives in the Ridgewood Vista. Well, um I showed up there after work and uh I was like, you know, I want to drink tonight. >> Mhm. >> Well, I don't know. I just feel like I got persuaded to do something I wasn't supposed to do. >> Okay. And you think Ashley Boardman persuaded you to do this? >> She well, >> How would How would you say she persuaded you to >> She pulled up at the house and said Noah was in there. >> Up in the Jefferson? >> I don't know where we were. >> Up in the city? >> In the Yeah, in Jackson. >> And who is Noah? >> Noah is my little brother. >> Noah is your little brother? >> Yeah. >> And she was He was dating Ashley? >> Yeah. >> Okay. What's Noah's last name? >> Comer, g u e n p h e r. >> Noah Comer, he's your little brother? >> Yeah, he's my little brother. >> Okay. So taking it back again, she pulls up, you guys first meet up at your house? I'm trying to get this >> No, no, no, no. We've been We've been hanging out for a while because my mom kicked me out and left my ex. >> So you've been you've been with you've been with uh her for a while then? Ashley? Yes. Well, it was me and Amber then Ashley said, "Hey, since your mom kicked me out, I kicked you out. You can live with me and my or me and my sister for a little bit." >> You were living with Ashley? >> No, I was living with Lindsey Nicole Boardman. Or wait, no. Lindsey something Boardman. >> Where's that at? >> Um Rio Vista. >> Okay. So, you're staying with Lindsey Boardman. Is Ashley staying there, too? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's her That's her um sister. Sister, yeah. >> So, you guys all three of you are there. Is Amber staying there? >> Yeah, Amber was staying there with Amber staying there, too. >> Yeah. >> Um and Ashley Boardman and Noah broke up, correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Why'd they break up? >> Noah um basically left her. >> Okay. >> But, that was no reason why I stayed with her. The reason why I stayed with her is because my brother left her and uh left her out to hang, basically. I mean, they were with each other for a year and me and her have always been friends. We weren't messing around or nothing because I had my girlfriend with me, Amber. So, we were just friends. Well, she My mom kicked me out at the same time. So, I said, "Screw it. You know what? I'll leave, you know, even though I paid her rent." I was like, "I'm not going to try to uh uh make her evict me or nothing." I said, "Screw it. I'll just leave. It's not I'm not creating her problems." So, um we went to uh Lindsey's and I paid her money and Ashley paid her money for us to stay there till at least Sunday. >> Okay. >> Well, um when we left that night Yeah, we we left and um Ashley was with her friend Misty that gave her a ride home from work from Max and Bull in Brooklyn. >> Okay. >> Well, um we all got together. I I >> Now, it's you you, Ashley, and Amber? >> Yep. But, before that, it was me and Amber in my car. >> Okay. >> Then, we showed up at my dad's house. >> [snorts] >> All right. >> And I talked to my dad for a little bit and we hung out in the garage and we were just talking to him and how Noel [clears throat] was treating Ashley and all this and um this was before I was drinking or anything. >> Okay. >> And um we were in there, we were talking, and then we ended up leaving. And after that, we went to the party store, Sparks. >> Okay. >> Now, he's trying to walk the detective through the day from visiting his father to stopping at different stores and buying alcohol. There are names, locations, and side details coming from every direction. The detective has to keep pulling him back to the sequence of events cuz understanding where everyone went may help explain how they ended up at that house. >> And when we went to Sparks, I said, "Hey, Ashley, I gave her some money." Well, not at first. I went in there, I bought some stuff to break my change cuz I had a $200 I had two $100 bills and a 50. >> Okay. >> And um I went to the store and uh basically bought what was it? Slim Jim, um a Pepsi, like one of the bigger Pepsis, and then um uh what else did I buy? I think four burritos, like one of the like the um bean and cheese burritos. [clears throat] >> Okay. >> Like the the 89 cent ones or whatever. Well, I bought those and then I went inside and the only reason why I went in there and bought that is so she could break my or break my 50. That way I could go in there because I didn't trust Ashley. So um that way I could give her like a like a $10 bill for a pint. What I wanted was a pint of UV Blue. >> Okay. >> And um she would not me the pint of UV Blue. I drank it. Well, I took the Pepsi that I bought, dumped it out just enough where I could pour the whole pint in the Pepsi. So I started drinking it like that. But once I started drinking, I let Ashley drive because I'm not stupid. I'm not going to drink and drive. Well, um once that happened, uh um we ended up we ended up going to another store next to Lucky's or >> I forgot >> What Shamrocks? >> Jack's right off Michigan Ave. >> Michigan Ave? >> Shamrock bars on Michigan Ave. >> Yeah, yeah. Right there. >> That's where the liquor store was right there. >> Yeah, we ended up going there and um she ended up getting me a Smirnoff, her Smirnoff, and Amber's Smirnoff. Well, I paid for it though. >> Okay. >> So yeah, um I I ended up paying for it and uh anyways, everyone ended or not Amber, Ashley went into Tanners. That's called what was it? >> Damn. On Walled Lake Road? >> On >> or off Walled Lake Road? >> On West Street? >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Walled Lake in West Bloomfield? >> Yeah, right. Something like that. I don't know. But um there um I think it was called Extreme Tan. >> Okay. >> Well, um she went in there. I was drinking. I I continued to drink. >> Okay. >> And um >> She was a good friend? >> I think so. I I I'm not really good at Yeah, yeah. >> [music] >> Well, um once I went in there or once she went in there, I I sitting in the car with Amber, drinking. >> Okay. >> And uh uh she got out and took off and went to this house and she said, "I think Noah's staying here." >> Okay. Who got out? >> Huh? >> You said you're drinking, she's in there, then what happens? >> We pull up to this house and I'm so intoxicated I I was drinking and and basically what happened was is I got out of the car, kicked the [ __ ] uh kicked the door open. >> Mhm. >> Um cuz it broke. >> Where was Ashley and Amber in the still in the car? >> Um no, Ashley got out. >> With you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And then um basically uh and I kicked the door, nobody answered. I looked through the um I looked through the window, I seen my ex Amber in there. >> Okay. >> And then um >> Amber >> uh Upold. >> Upold? And then Amber Upold in? >> I think that's what her name is, I'm not even sure. Cuz when I was with her, she told me her name was Amber White and then I found out that she was married. >> Okay. >> And then I was like, yeah, whatever, I left her. >> Okay. >> I was like, I'm not playing this [ __ ] Well, um basically after that uh I got out of the car. My stupid ass [ __ ] kicked the door open. >> So, you kicked it open, Amber goes in or Ashley goes in with you, right? >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Everybody goes in. Oh wait, I don't >> Ashley goes in with you. I'm going to have to think for a minute. And Amber stayed out in the car. You're going to tell me. So. >> Oh yeah, I know. But I don't care what Ashley does. I know she's a manipulative liar, so. >> But I have to go based on what this says. >> Well, yeah. Um the >> Do you have the gun in your hand when you go in? >> I had the gun right right in here. >> Right in there? Okay. Is it the the one the troopers got? Or the >> The 9 mil? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I saw it. So, that's why I asked. >> The black too? >> Where'd you get that from? >> [ __ ] I don't want to be a snitch, but I'm going to tell you. >> I'm not tracing a bag, so I just want to know how you got it. I I'm always curious of where guns come from and how people get their hands on them. >> They had to make a plea agreement. I don't want to look like a [ __ ] snitch. >> You get on the street? Uh you buy it off the street? You didn't buy it at a gun shop or anything like that? >> No, no. >> Okay. >> Is it stolen or illegal gun? Is it a stolen gun? >> Is it? >> Yeah. I've had it for about 3 months. >> did you pay for it? >> Um how much did everything cost you? It's a 9 mm, black too. >> Black too, gen two? >> Yeah. >> So, it >> 550 if off the door if you got it at the store. >> Yeah, you probably got a good deal on it. >> I tried. Well, what happened was I I had a 40. >> Mhm. >> I had a 40 cal. >> Mhm. >> And then I traded it for a .380. >> Mhm. >> [ __ ] dude. I I mean a snitch right here. >> You ain't telling who who did it. You just traded it. I don't I don't care. I mean So, you don't care about names anyway. >> No, I don't know. >> Okay, okay. Okay, so I traded the 40 cal for the um for a .380 and a 9 mil. >> Okay. >> Well, I sold the .380, kept the 9 mil cuz I don't need two. I just wanted one just for personal protection. >> Got you. >> Well, what happened was is uh once I had the um 9 mil, I've had it for a while. I've actually had the 9 mil for a little bit. Well, um I kept it in my safe and I took I started taking with me when I moved into the Ridgewood Vista because uh these African-American people started giving me problems. >> [snorts] >> Well, I wanted to keep it for protection. I didn't flash >> and you have money. >> Yeah, yeah. I just didn't want to get robbed. >> Anthony says he had traded one gun for another and kept the 9 mm for protection. He talks about protecting his belongings and not wanting to get robbed, but later that same weapon would be taken into a confrontation. His explanation tells us why he says he carried it. It does not itself explain why he used it that night. >> Yeah, yeah, I just didn't want to get robbed or nothing. I have I have a um like I have like a grand and a half worth of system in my car. Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to be robbed. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Well, um I was trying to live my life and basically protect my [ __ ] >> How long did you say you had it for, a year or so? >> My gun? >> Yeah. >> Oh, no. I >> Less than that? >> Yeah, probably less. >> Okay. >> I just I had it and I kept it in my safe and never pulled it out. >> Yeah. >> Well, then my life went to [ __ ] when my mom kicked me out and kept my ex and her out. >> Did that piss you off though? >> Oh, it pissed me off. >> me off. >> Yeah, it it pissed me off. >> Kind of like betrayed you or something. >> Yeah, yeah. My mom's always betrayed me though. She locked me out for no reason. >> What's your mom's name? >> Kathleen Joya. >> Okay. Oh man, that's pretty harsh though. >> Yeah. >> Kicking the kid out though. Anyways, let's back up. You kicked it in and you had the gun in your waistband. >> Uh-huh. >> Um you go in first? >> Yeah, yeah. >> And then who's behind you, Ashley? Corbin? You said Ashley? >> Honestly, I wasn't paying attention. I just she I don't know. She said like all I know is Ashley said let's go in there and see what's going on. That's exactly what she said. Let's go in there and see what's going on. >> Okay. >> So basically when I went in there, I kicked the [ __ ] door open. It took me three tries. >> Okay. >> Cuz I was drunk and >> Mhm. >> you know. >> Okay. >> Well it makes me [ __ ] sick. Cuz my little brother was in there. >> So your little brother Nixon there? >> Noah. >> Noah's in there? >> Noah's Noah's brother. >> Yeah. >> So he's in there, Who's with you? >> I didn't >> I know it's hard. Let's Let's man-to-man. I know you I know I know you're pretty strong little guy. I can already tell. Man-to-man, it's hard. But, you need to get it out. >> I don't I don't >> We've all made bad decisions. >> Yeah, but I made a dumb >> Listen. Listen. You You're going through a tough time in your life. Okay? You're going through a very tough time in your life. Your mom kicked you out. Okay? Things are tough. I've made bad decisions, too. Okay? Especially when your mom betrays you. All right? >> I feel like I'm wasting the [ __ ] >> I've been in I've been in your I've been in your shoes, too, believe it or not. Hard to say. You see Officer Detective Stanson here, you know, and you know on our side table, but I've been in I've been in pretty dark places, too, in my life. Okay. >> All right. >> You need to get it off your chest. You'll feel much better. >> When I went in that house, I didn't intend on hurting anybody. And I didn't know what I was doing because I was all diaph- diaph- diaphocated. I even had I went on live on I don't know, man. I [ __ ] up. I'm a dumb idiot. I should be a bit older than I am. >> How old You're working your ass off. You're You're mature, though. >> I am mature, but I do dumb [ __ ] I guess. >> How old are you? 19? >> 19. >> 19-year-olds do dumb [ __ ] That's life. >> Yeah, but dude, I Not Not every 19-year-old does some stupid [ __ ] like this. >> Yeah, I've been I've seen a lot more than you think. >> I ain't just some jackass piece of trash. >> You're not I I can relate. I'm a country guy, too. I like fishing, a good old boy like hunting. >> Dude, me and my best friend all we do is fish. You know? >> You made a You made a bad choice today. >> I made a really bad choice today. That's probably going to change my life for the rest of my life. >> I don't know about that. >> Do you know if my brother's all right? >> I don't know yet. I don't know I don't I don't know what's going on. I'm trying to figure out what happened up until that point. I get brief I get a little >> How do you guys not know my brother's all right? >> Cuz I get called in from home. Okay? I get called in from home. They give me bits and pieces. Once I talk to you and I find out what's going on then I'm going to go find out over there. Can I tell you if your brother's okay and that once I find out? Yes, I can. Okay? So, that's kind of where I'm at. Okay? >> Dude, my brother my life, man. He's my little baby bro. >> Okay. Where was he at in there? >> I don't know. I didn't see him. >> Okay. >> Dude, I I don't know what I did. >> Okay. So, you go in there. You have the gun. Okay. You know what you did because you're telling me I made a bad choice. >> I do know what I did. I kicked in the door and that's all I remember. >> Okay. And he had a gun. >> Yeah, and I do remember popping a shot at the floor and that's all I remember. >> Okay. Where Where was that in the house where you popped it? Is there going to be a bullet hole? Which I got to go look at the scene. Make sure you match up to it. >> All right. I had You know how a 9 mm only holds 12 shots, right? >> Yes. >> Well, I put 12 shots in the chamber. Cocked it, put another one in. So, like 13 in total. >> Yeah. Okay. Do you think when you shot you could have hit somebody else? >> Honestly, yes. >> Okay. Who was that? >> I wasn't aiming at anybody. >> Who did you see in there? >> A big dude with tattoos. >> A big dude with tattoos? Is that your brother? >> No. No. No. No. My brother's smaller than me. >> Okay. >> I didn't see my brother at all. >> Okay. >> I seen just one dude. I went downstairs. And I don't even remember what the place looked like. I went downstairs to do the All I seen the dude do is shut the door. And then when he shut the door I took a shot at the door. >> As he describes entering the house, Anthony says he was drunk and wasn't paying close attention to who was around him. He also describes firing toward a door and insists he wasn't at trying to hit anyone. The detective still needs to establish exactly where he fired, who was nearby, and what Anthony could actually see at that moment. >> at the door. But I did it to the left. >> Okay. >> When I shot the door When I shot the door, I shot it to the left. Cuz when he shut the door He seen you with the gun he shut the door? Well, first he tried to come at me. But when he when he when he seen the gun, he took off. >> Okay. >> And then um I shot the left side of the door, the very left side of the door. I think. Or something. I don't I wouldn't be able to know when the cops seen it. But I shot the very left side of the door. But I wasn't aiming at anybody because I could have killed everybody in the house if I wanted to. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Because there was a girl and then when he kicked open the door the girl kicked >> I think her name was Anastasia. >> Anastasia? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So there was an Anastasia there? What's the last How do you know her? >> Oh, I I don't know her. >> You don't know her? >> No. It's I think Ashley. >> Ashley? >> Ashley knows who Ashley is majorly obsessed with my little brother. >> Okay. >> Ashley Borden >> Borden? >> Well, when I got drunk Ashley was constantly talking, "Let's go over there. Let's go over there. Let's go over there." >> Okay. So, let me get this right. This was tune with you're saying is that Ashley is obsessed with your or obsessed with Noah. >> Oh, yeah. Majorly. Majorly. >> Noah is over there, okay, with another girl. And I'm guessing that's why Ashley wants to go over there, correct? Is that >> [snorts] >> a fair statement? >> Yeah, but I didn't even know where the place was located. >> No, but she does. >> Oh, I I didn't even know how she knew. >> Okay. >> It was just crazy. She's like, "Let's She just said, "Let's see if they're there." >> Okay. Well, obviously somebody knows where they are. >> Yeah. >> don't pick a house on the city of Jackson. >> Well, yeah, but I don't know how she knew. It was crazy. >> So, you go in there, you kick the door in. Obviously, you you kick the door in to go in. There's really no >> Well, I knocked first. I did not. >> You knocked, you kicked the door in, okay, cuz nobody's coming to the door, right? >> Well, all I heard was, "Oh, shit." >> Okay. And who said that? Somebody from inside? >> I think my ex. >> So, your ex, which is >> Amber, uh I don't know. She lied to me. Amber Upfold. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Amber Upfold, cuz she told me her name was Amber White, and then I figured out she was she was married, so I >> Okay. >> get your >> So, so >> [snorts] >> she said, "Oh, shit." You think it's your ex. You go in, okay. You said you go down the basement right away? >> No, I I kicked the door open. >> The front door? >> Yeah. I kicked the door open. And then, uh basically basically, I saw Amber run downstairs. I didn't see anybody else. So, I went downstairs to talk to Amber. >> Okay. >> Amber tried to grabbing the gun from me. >> Okay. >> So, I went like this. Like, I had the gun in this hand. I pushed her off the gun just so she wouldn't have the gun, cuz I don't trust her. So, I pushed her off the gun. And then Um I seen the big dude shut the door. I didn't know if he had a gun because this Anastasia girl threatened um um with I don't know three different Mexican dude names. Well, when she threatened me with them names, I figured that dude was the dude that she threatened me with. So, um I didn't know if he had a gun or not, but um >> Why did we make Why did we take a shot around the wall? You said you took a shot into the door. Why did you do that? >> Ignorance. >> Ignorance? [snorts] >> Pure ignorance. >> hear somebody? >> Dude, I'm I [ __ ] up, dude. I'm probably going to go for [ __ ] 20 years or something. >> No. No. >> I mean even if I did, you know, I I do care, but you know, I probably didn't hit her, dude. >> Nobody's dead or anything like that. Okay? >> All right. >> So, felonious >> Felonious assault. >> Problem? >> Of ours. When I was 16 years old, I got that. >> Well, that's your 16 [snorts] year old stuff goes away. Okay? >> I don't know, dude. >> I just need to know the truth because I'm getting mixed up. >> Well, well, I mean I'm giving you the truth. I'm not lying to you. I'm not bullshitting you. >> So, after you take the shot into the door of the bedroom, okay? You don't know if you hit anybody, right? >> Oh, no, I Yeah, pretty much. >> Did anybody scream? Did anybody How long like did it sound like it got hit? >> No. >> Okay, did you see anybody? >> No. >> Okay, and you said Ashley was in there with you. Ashley Boardman. So, they all came in? >> I wasn't paying attention to me. >> To you. >> But I think Ashley was right behind me. >> Okay. >> Right behind me. >> Okay. Okay. >> My girlfriend I think stayed in the car. >> Okay. So, you go in there, you take a shot, you're not sure if you hit anybody. How many times did you shoot inside there? I'm going to find the casings, that's why I'm asking. >> Oh, yeah, I I guys are going to figure it all out either way, so >> That's why That's why we're asking ask. >> yeah. Probably >> Get it off your chest. You're going to feel a lot better. >> Well, I mean, I'm going to try to piece it together, but I really don't know. I was intoxicated bad. >> Okay. >> Um, can you guys like find my videos that I deleted? >> I do it all on camera. >> Is it on Facebook? >> Oh, it's all on camera. >> Okay. Do you have a phone? >> Yeah. Yeah, you guys probably have it. >> Is it in the car? >> Yeah, it was in the car. >> Okay. Is it an Apple, Droid, what? >> Uh, it's an Android. >> Android, do you have a password to it? >> Um, there's no password. >> No password? >> Okay. >> Color is it? >> Uh, blue. It's got a blue case on it anyway. It's gray without the case. >> No case, okay. All right, so anyways you go in there um, you followed Ashley, your ex, down to the basement. Okay. You see the She opens the door or the door is already open? >> No, Ashley's not my ex. >> Well, Ashley opened it. >> No, Amber Amber Yeah. >> So, you followed her down there. She tried to take the gun from you? >> Yeah, she tried to grab the gun from me. >> And then you saw [clears throat] the big guy with tattoos all over him? >> Yeah, and then I aimed it at him. >> Okay. >> And then he shut the door. >> He shut the door. >> Did you shoot back into the door? >> Yeah, but when I shot, I aimed away from where he was when he shut the door. I aimed towards the left. >> Okay. >> Like towards the like the seam. >> Okay. And why why were Why why I mean See, we're still kind of fuzzy on why. Okay. Why we're kicking doors in. Why we're pulling guns. Just be straight. What was it all over? >> I got really [ __ ] drunk off my ass. >> I already I already know that. >> And Ashley egging me >> He's struggling to give a clear account of what happened after the shots. At one point he asks investigators to find the Facebook videos he says he deleted, suggesting there may be footage that could help establish what took place. That's a significant detail because his own account is still uncertain about whether anyone was hit and what he remembers seeing. >> Agging me. Morgan? Yeah, agging. You want me to go over there cuz she is obsessed with Nolan. Obsessed. Did she tell you to take the gun with you? Did she tell you to take the gun with you? Did she tell you to take the gun with you? >> No, she didn't say none of that. Okay. So, she she's obsessed with Nolan. She wants you to go over there for what reason? I don't know. She just We went and got alcohol and then she just showed up there. Who was Brittany? Brittany. >> Yes. >> Brittany. I don't know any Nolan. I have no clue who that is, honestly. >> Okay. And so, you go in there, you shoot cuz that's that's the girl that got hit. She got shot in the shoulder. >> I don't know her. >> You don't know her? >> No. >> So, she didn't hear or say ow or ooh or anything like that? >> No. >> Did anybody say anything after you shot? >> No. >> Okay, then you turn around and you go out the house? >> Honestly, dude, I I don't know. >> Cuz somebody in the house, somebody that was already in the house, gave us your name, car description, who you were with and that's how they stopped you. >> How old are you? Was it >> One >> Well, yeah, probably my mom. >> No, I don't think it was your mom. >> Could have been my dad, it could have been my brother. Anyways, >> after you shoot, what happens from there? You just got to turn around and go get out? >> Yeah, I got out of the house, yeah. >> Okay. So, is Nolan actually behind you? Or cuz you said she was standing behind you when you shot. >> Honestly, dude, basically what happened is there's there's little visions. All I know is that I did shoot. When I went down there I shot at the basement door. >> Okay. >> And then I came upstairs, shot at the floor. >> Okay. >> And then and then uh basically after that, I don't know. >> Okay. Do you guys eventually get back in the car? >> Yeah, I don't know who followed me. I don't know nothing. I was so >> So you guys you guys get in the car, you take off. Where were you planning on going? >> Oh, I was going to grab all my money out of my safe and head to Mexico. >> Cuz you know you have to. >> Yeah, I [ __ ] up. >> to go. Okay. >> I wanted to leave. >> Okay. That's what I would do, too. >> Well, [ __ ] >> And you got to make a you got to make an effort, right? >> I don't feel good about it, dude. I was like dude, honestly I had to get it out of my head the whole time. >> Where did they Where did they stop you at? Was it Weber? What what address did you you [snorts] have on you? Columbia Heights? >> Was it Weber and the Federal like Highway? >> Cuz I think they were waiting for you out there when they saw the when they saw >> Oh, yeah. That's my last ditch on me, yeah. >> Is that what it was? >> Yeah. >> So they stopped you, you had the gun to your car, had cuz you you made a mistake. That's why obviously you knew you shot somebody. >> No, I didn't know I shot anybody. >> Okay. Got you. So you have you have the gun to your head. >> I wasn't intending to shoot anybody, either. >> And when the lights came on it probably scared the [ __ ] out of you, didn't it? >> I had the gun to my head. I I wanted to die. >> I know, but when the patrol car lights I'm just saying when those things come >> No, I've been dude, I've been arrested seven times for no no reason. >> Oh, no [ __ ] >> No, no, dude. I Dude, honestly I I don't care about my life. >> Cuz I got to stop you before I'm like, oh, [ __ ] >> Well, yeah, but it sucks, but dude I'd rather die than be in prison. >> Yeah. >> Seriously. >> It ain't that bad. >> Yeah, well, you know, if I'm going to prison I'm joining the Aryan Brotherhood. >> Yeah. Well, that's that helps you stay afloat in there. >> Well, [ __ ] dude. You know, I'm I'm going to stay with my race. I'm not going to be talking to black people. >> Usually what happens in prison is a survival [snorts] thing. >> Yeah. >> So >> You know. >> Yeah, I've been I've been stopped >> When I >> talks about being arrested, he says he would rather die than go to prison. He also talks about losing the tree climbing work he enjoys and the money he makes. His fear about what happens next is unmistakable in his own words. Meanwhile, the central question remains. What happened inside that house and how does he explain the shooting? >> I mean I'd rather be I'd rather be working tree climbing enjoying my [ __ ] life. You know what? I'm just a dumb [ __ ] I guess. Baby, I love you. Please don't pull the trigger. I had the gun right up to my chin. I wanted to I I want to die now. If I had a gun right now, I'd probably shoot myself in the head. I don't want to be here. I I mean if I had a gun right now, I'd probably pull the trigger on my head, not on you. Please don't. I don't have a gun. All right. Yeah, cuz I've been stopped and scared [ __ ] out of me. I mean I'm a normal person just like you. I'm just I just [ __ ] up and I feel like I should die now. We all [ __ ] up. That's what part of being human is. Some Some Some of our [ __ ] ups are on different magnitudes. I mean to be honest. I mean There's There's There's There's There's people out there that still [ __ ] up. Well, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean obviously. You know what I'm saying? I grew up with the music in Collingdale Township and doing something with women peeping in the Yeah. He used to creep. Yeah. Hate getting stopped, you know? I mean I I was your age 19 and I had a bag. Once those lights came on [ __ ] dude. I wish I never [ __ ] up like this because I swear to God I I make good money. >> Gulia has no concern for the woman that he shot and is instead focused on the well-paying career that he will have to give up. >> I know you do. >> I mean it's just >> The fine climbers are sorry. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a dying breed. >> Absolutely. You know, I uh I've been your age and I [ __ ] up. Actually, I've been in I've been in a car when the [ __ ] police lit me up when I was 19 and I had some drinks on board. [ __ ] lost my buzz like that. But, you know? >> [snorts] >> [ __ ] You know? >> I know. Oh. >> Scared the [ __ ] out of me. You know what? I still get I still get scared. I still get scared when the [ __ ] cops stop me. You know? [ __ ] lights come on and I'm like, >> Yeah, but I didn't even do anything. I just picked up the badge and they're like, "I'm hiring you." >> You know You know what? I don't. >> No. >> If they're going to write me, they're going to write me. I deserve it. >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? >> If you're disobeying the law. >> Cuz I would do it to anybody else. >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? I think ethically that's what I should do. But, man, I've been in situations where I [ __ ] lost my buzz when I was a kid. I was a pretty wild kid. I mean, I just grew up in the middle of nowhere. So, I didn't get involved in a lot of this [ __ ] We didn't have Facebook and all that dumb ass [ __ ] that causes all sorts of problems. >> You guys search my Facebook, dude. I barely ever get on it. The only thing I ever put on there is me cutting down trees, climbing trees. >> the You take videos when you're up in there? >> Uh um No. I I mean, I like to stay off my phone when I'm up in the tree for safety precautions, you know? I want my attention on what I'm doing. I don't want to >> Oh, [ __ ] yeah. >> Yeah, you know? You got >> You're all >> Especially being a new guy, you know? >> People are watching you guys and making sure you're >> Yeah, it's like yeah, I don't want to screw that up. >> Where are the laws Are they all that good to you? Were they? >> Yeah. >> All right. We're We're only doing a job. We're not here to mess with you at all. >> Yeah, I know, but [ __ ] the dude up. >> What's that? >> I don't know, man. I don't even Do they even know that I had the pistol in my head before they even told me to put my hands up? >> I think they did. Cuz I I got called in and then I called dispatch to find out what was going on. She told me a whole story that guy had a gun to his head. >> The only reason why I didn't pull the trigger is because uh I don't know. I should have pulled the trigger. >> any kids or anything? >> Me? Oh, no. I didn't [ __ ] up like that. >> No, I just wondered if you >> I'm too young to have kids, dude. I can hardly support myself. >> We're just joking, dude. There's not too young, man. That's just a good time to >> Well, yeah, but uh >> I see I see 13-year-olds pushing strollers. You know? So. Where'd that come >> from? >> What is it? Blood? I don't know if that's blood or that's blood. >> It could have been from from me working maybe right there, but you know what? I hope it's not from somebody I hurt. >> Yeah. And um did you get that close to somebody? >> Man, he tried He tried to grab the gun from me. >> And that was Amber O'Neal? >> Yeah. >> Maybe Amber O'Neal? >> I mean, I don't remember that much cuz I was intoxicated, but I do remember walking down the stairs. I'm like all the The big dude shut the door. He tried to come at me first. And that's why I popped the shot. It He tried to come at me first. And then once once he tried to come at me, he seen that I had the gun. Went back in the basement door, shut it. When he shut it, I popped the shot like See that door right there? I tried to pop a shot like right like in the seam >> Almost like like the door frame? >> Like the seam, just like where you couldn't hit nobody. >> Okay. >> Right in the seam. >> Got you. Got you. Okay. All right. Do you do drugs? >> Nope. I >> That's cool. You know what? Roofers and tree climbers or not tree climbers, but people that cut trees [ __ ] 90% of them will not tell me that they do drugs. >> Well, no, no, no. I didn't mean like that. I don't do drugs now, but I did. There was a guy named Brandon Harball. He [ __ ] laced my [ __ ] I I I used to do meth. Um >> What? I can do that. >> Uh Well, after my head a minor uh minor heart attack >> [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> And tea? >> Yeah. >> So >> Well, my [ __ ] got laced with meth and heroin. >> Okay. >> So, I did basically like a speedball. >> All right. But, you're not on any drugs right now. >> No. No, I've been I've been clean ever since I had heart problems. I still have heart palpitations. >> Okay. >> I'm sober right now. >> Yeah. You're talking pretty good. I'll give you a PBT in a second. >> I'm I'm buzzed, though, if you were to give me a breathalyzer. >> Okay. I'll I'll We'll do We'll get to that. But, you cognizant of what you're telling me, right? You know what you're telling me. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. You remember this. >> Well >> You repeated your story about four times, same thing. >> Yeah. Well, if I if I were to become sober or something, I'm probably not going to remember [ __ ] >> Okay. >> I'm going to I'll remember a little bit, but I'm not going to remember it all, you know? >> I'll give you a PBT here in a second. To me, I don't smell any intoxicants coming from you. Um You're talking pretty clearly to me. You're repeating your story, same thing. You know, you're not terrible. >> Yeah, I'm not I'm not lying to you. I I know it's true. >> so. That's kind of where we're at. But All right. Hold tight. I'm going to be right back. >> All right. >> Okay. And I'll be right back with that. We'll go over Hey, buddy. This is Detective Smith. He got to talk to you in a second. And he's going to come in here. You want to talk to him for a second. He's got a chance to talk to your friends over there, okay? >> Ready. >> And he had drag their story up with yours kind of, you know. >> Mhm. >> So He's a pretty good guy. >> [ __ ] man. >> You just found out something that your little brother was threatening stuff before that. >> That's why I got >> He threatened to kill me, anybody in the house that I was with. And I got little kids that were with me. I mean, I didn't take it as a threat, but I knew he wasn't going to do it. >> You knew he wasn't going to do it. >> Mhm. >> How old is he? >> He's 17. >> Okay. >> 20 something years old. But he's always been angry. I wasn't for sure he wasn't going to do it, only because of the fact that he thinks that me and his ex Ashley Boardman were sleeping together. >> Okay. >> But it ain't true because I was with my girlfriend Amber, and there ain't no way in hell I'm going to mess with them. It's scary. >> So, so he threatened you and that's why you guys had over there. >> Well, he didn't threaten me. Specifically, he threatened me on my phone, on my Facebook, and I was in the shower, and so was my girlfriend Amber. So, it was me and Amber in the shower. Ashley Boardman picked up the phone supposedly. >> When the detective returns, the conversation shifts toward what other people have told investigators. Anthony begins explaining that he believed his younger brother had made threats, although much of what he describes came through other people. That distinction matters here. Case is offering a reason he says he felt threatened, but the account still needs to be separated from what he personally witnessed. >> Boardman picked up the phone supposedly. It said that he threatened to kill all of us. >> [snorts] >> Okay. >> Like he said, "We're all done. Bye." And then he said, "Bye-bye." And then I'm going to die, too. Basically, is what he said. He's like, "Bye-bye for me." >> Okay. >> I don't know. They got the messages. If they If they showed you or not, I don't know, but I don't I don't really care. That's them. But, um But I stayed up all night, even though I had to work in the morning. I stayed up all night and I had my pistol by me. >> Cuz you think he might shoot you? >> Yeah, if anybody walks through the door I'm going to shoot them in the leg. If it's my little brother I'm not going to shoot him in the head, I'm going to shoot him in the leg. Basically, you know, you just want me to protect myself. [clears throat] >> Did you kill one of those guys that you shot somebody in the head? >> Did I? No. >> That's what they're telling the detectives right now. They said they were way over from the >> I already know how you guys play your games. One said One said that. It was probably Ashley Boardman. She's a lying [ __ ] >> Okay. >> And she's a manipulative liar and that's why she's on felony probation cuz she tried shooting She tried shooting when she was drunk. And my friend went off We were building a fort and we didn't know where he went and she shot in a random direction. That's why she's on >> You guys were building a fort and she shot in a random direction? >> Yeah, my buddy was gone and we didn't know where he was. He was getting some brush cuz we were building a lean-to cuz it was windy. It was under a bridge and we had a fire. We were trying to keep the fire going so we built a lean-to. Well, he was going to get some brush and she shot towards a random direction. I had no clue where my friend was. He was gathering brush. Well, um that's why she's on what she got right now is cuz she was shooting random shots. When she shot one random shot off All right. >> So, you go over there cuz your brother's actually threatening you and that's why we're over there. I mean, that's what we didn't want to get through with. >> I didn't go over there because of [ __ ] Ashley brought me over there and I had no clue. >> Okay. >> Like I didn't even know whose house it was. She said, "That's where I think your brother is. Go in there." So, I went in there and uh >> What you guys do She wanted you guys fighting? >> I wasn't fighting with my brother. There was this Anastasia [ __ ] threatening me with three other dudes. >> Okay. >> And the one dude that was in there was the one dude that she was threatening me with. >> Got you. >> Something like that. I don't know. I don't even know who was in there. But I did pop a couple shots off because she said that that whoever it was was going to kill me. So, I was just I don't know. It was all [ __ ] up. I'm drunk. I don't know what I did. I kind of was It was ignorant. I regret what I did. You know what? I'm going to do the time. I'm going to do whatever the [ __ ] I have to do. >> And Anthony, are you intoxicated right now? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. I'm going to ask you in a minute. This first >> I just did a little breathalyzer, didn't they? >> Yeah. >> I mean, come on. >> It wasn't that bad. Um are are there any other drugs in your system, weed or anything like that? >> No, I don't do I mean, maybe possibly weed. I smoked earlier today. >> Earlier today? Okay. All right. >> I mean, I regret what I did. [ __ ] it. I'll do the time. [ __ ] it. Dude, I'm You know what? I'm I I don't care. I was going to blow my [ __ ] brains out. I don't know why I didn't, but I wish I [ __ ] did cuz I would rather not be in here. I'd rather be [ __ ] in hell. Honestly. [ __ ] this place. I've already been to [ __ ] juvenile detention centers. I'd rather [ __ ] shoot myself in the head. I'm not the type person. I'm a [ __ ] I work my ass off. I make good money. You know what? [ __ ] I don't know. I drink too much. I don't I blacked out. I don't know what the [ __ ] happened. I don't know who I don't even know who I saw. I didn't see any faces. Just [ __ ] went in there popping shots. What else was in there? I wasn't trying to kill nobody. I mean, I think I don't know. It's a visual. You You guys might have to ask me when I'm sober. I don't know. >> You told me you saw you saw your girlfriend your ex in there. Is this the call? >> I did see my ex. Yeah. I said, "Oh, shit." >> When you kicked You know, when you knocked on the door. Um I don't know what I didn't see no tattoos either. I just saw the large gentleman. The only reason why I say tattoos is because I've seen him on a video that that [ __ ] said [ __ ] tick week or something on there. And that's the only reason why I said he had tattoos is because I seen it on Facebook or Ashley showed me >> By the end of the interview, Gillea is still blaming alcohol and gaps in his memory, insisting he never meant to kill anyone. But Britney Southwell lost her life that night. Gillea was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole. On October 5, 2023, the Michigan Court of Appeals declined for a second time and to overturn his sentence. >> Ashley showed me a video of her saying something on Facebook, [ __ ] they're in the station, [ __ ] So I So I figured it was to do with the tattoos and he was a bigger guy. So you know why That's the only reason why I said >> Do you know who they >> I have no clue who those people are. I don't know who any of them are. None of them. Except for my little bro, Noah. And I didn't even see him. >> All right. You didn't see him in the house at all, right? >> I didn't see him at all. Honestly, when I went in there, I didn't even know who the [ __ ] I was. >> I want to change something. I I came in at the very tail end of this. Is that Is that Is that right as far as this this interview, you [snorts] guys? >> How did you get in the house? >> I kicked the door open, okay? >> And you don't know whose house that is. >> Ashley pulled in there and said this is That's that bitch's house. Well, that [ __ ] was threatening me with three dudes with Hispanic names. I have no clue who it was, but all I know is that my brother threatened me and said that we're all going to die that night. Kicked in that door and I was going to kill whoever the [ __ ] threatened me cuz I ain't going to go down like that. Okay. And I'm like I don't know, You know, I'm I'm I'm drunk. You guys [ __ ] I don't even know, man. >> Okay. >> I ain't that type of person. I don't just want to kill people. [ __ ] Dude, I just don't want to get shot. That'd be embarrassing. You ain't going to die by getting shot. I ain't going to just get caught slipping like that. I don't know, dude. You guys are You guys are interviewing interviewing me while I'm intoxicated. I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about. I have little vision. I don't even remember [ __ ] My life sucks, dude. I hate my life. Why? [ __ ] I should have just [ __ ] blew my brains out in that [ __ ] expedition, dude. >> Well, hang on, Anthony. We'll be back. >> All right. >> What do you see in Anthony Giglia's story? Look closely at what he tells detectives. Do you think his explanation adds up, or are there questions left unanswered? Share your thoughts in the comments. And for more real interrogation footage, detailed case breakdowns, and psychological analysis, like the video and subscribe to Verdict Interrogation.