I'm sorry. >> Should I lock the door again? >> No, it's fine. Do you have a detain? >> Who's the one that needs medical attention? >> Oh, I don't I don't need medical. >> No. >> You said medical attention. >> Yeah, she just scratched me, but I'm fine. >> I don't know she has >> So, what happened? >> So, I was in a session like in my therapist intern here. >> Okay. >> And she started getting loud, yelling at her. So, I came out and I was like, "Hey, man, you're going to have You're going to have to keep it down or you're going to have to leave." And so, she's like, "Why won't you call police?" I said, "We'll call the police, but like you can wait outside for them." And then she started yelling about government and something and something. And so, she was walking this way and she turned and tried to hit me with her I don't know if it was her elbow or her phone, and I blocked and then at one point she grabbed the pens out of there and tried to stab me with them. >> The pen? >> Yeah, like there was like a handful of pens there. So, I think they're on the ground now. And uh she was swinging, trying to kick me. So, I just pinned her to there and I told her, "Call the police." >> Okay. >> And then she's like, "Let me go." I said, "I'll let you go, but you got to get the [ __ ] out of here." So, then she tried to break the door and she took off. >> Okay. All right. >> I think she threw a plant too at some point. >> Yeah, I put the plant back together. Sorry. >> Do you Do you want to press charges for it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Um do you have video of her doing it? >> Yes. >> Yeah, I think Georgina, the the owner, is on her way. >> And is that from the pen or is that from >> I'm not even sure. >> You might have to watch that. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. >> I'm not I don't know. I tried to dodge the pen, but >> Yeah, we have her over there. She's still [laughter] a little rowdy, so we'll try to >> She said something about she's told you she was hearing voices or something. >> Yeah, she says that she was having like an episode that she was hearing her thoughts. And I said, "Okay." Um she had I guess I got an cuz I accidentally had called her a mister and then I corrected myself and called her a misses. And then they just kept calling her a mister. And then >> Is she a patient here? >> Yes, she's a client here. >> Famous for what? If you can. >> Um I don't know if I can say that honestly. >> All right. Yeah, if you guys can work on the manager and see if I can just see this video. >> She said she's on her way because she called her. >> What do we >> They said Tik Tok, you know. >> All right, we got PC for battery. Um I don't think I'm going to look at footage. Uh at some point she she tried to stab a counselor with a pen. Um so I'm going to review footage of that to see if she even wants to stretch it, but other than that we have PC for battery. >> I think she got me. I don't think she got me with a pen cuz >> Um can you kind of just pretend you are her? Cuz what what happened like how how did she react and how close did she get to you? >> Well, first she was here yelling at her when I came out to see like what was going on. >> Mhm. >> So I said like here, so about here at that point. >> Mhm. >> And then um she was trying to describe why she was upset. I gave her my 988. I want her to call 988. I'm going to wait 3 hours for her to do her [ __ ] job or the receptionist. You have to do the 988. If you can't remain calmly, we're not going to >> Hello. >> leave. You could just leave. And then she grabbed her phone out of I think the side pocket and she's like "How would you like it?" And she got in my face like that and I said, "Hey, back up. Like if you can't remain calmly, you could just leave. So call the cops for you to wait outside." >> Okay. >> And then so she was walking and I was walking ahead of her. And she turned like this. >> Mhm. >> So I put my hand up to block it and that's when she started swinging. >> Got the camera. >> And then we ended up over there cuz I pushed her like away from me. Um [snorts] and she of course the table tripped her. >> Mhm. >> And then I held her there and she grabbed the pen. And I was holding her on the table she tried to like stab me with the the pen and I think I blocked it with my other hand. But I think this is from when she was like slapping and punching and stuff like that. >> Did you feel like she was going to stab you with the pen? >> Well, I mean she tried, but she had like three or four of them in her hand or something, you know, over there. So, I got them back. And then she's like, "Let me go." I'm like, "I'll keep you in my [ __ ] hand." And I said, "I'll let you go, but you need to get the [ __ ] out." >> And when she was when she grabbed the pens, were you kind of holding her down? >> I was, yeah. >> Okay. >> Cuz that that point she was already hitting me, trying to kick. She grabbed it. And then when I let her go, she grabbed the plant. And she tried to throw it at me, but she ended up throwing it this way. And then I said, "You need to leave." And uh she went to the door and she tried to put and break the door. But it didn't break and then I held the door shut, told her to lock the door and wait for the cops. >> And then you mind giving your ID and your address? >> I have [clears throat] it in my car. >> out who you are. What's your name? >> I'm Victor Guerra. >> Good morning. Good morning. What's going on, Ms. Guerra? >> Good morning, Guerra. >> [laughter] >> Good morning. >> Good morning. I'm the owner of Camino. >> Good morning. May I see the footage real quick? >> Yeah, I'll have your owner. She's coming in. >> Okay. >> Which client was it? >> I don't even know her name. >> Um this is Rocky Howard. Uh who's the probation officer? >> The probation officer is I don't think I have >> Yeah, this came out and she was screaming at him. I don't know what was going >> Okay. Okay. Let me get a hold of Mr. Carrasco. >> And they have her. >> Oh, they did? >> Yeah, they have her. They did. >> All right. Did you you witnessed it, right? Yeah, they have her already. >> It's not my favorite one. >> Okay. >> May you please have her in there? She was under the influence cuz it smelled like marijuana. They're not supposed to I'm not supposed to go there. >> Is Did she get a sign here due to probation? >> Yes, sir. What's her You have her paperwork? That we follow them that's from the probation office. >> And the only injury is the >> That's hers. >> Oh, sorry. The only injury that I see is on the side of her face. >> Yeah, a scratch there, up on my neck, and then on my face. >> Okay. >> And I think like this side. >> Okay. Nicole, do you mind if you mind if I interview you in the room? >> Don't worry. I'll take care of you. It's fine. Go ahead. Take care. >> Go ahead. Oh, I was just going to Yeah. >> No, it's fine. >> This is I'm trying out these new cameras. >> Oh, okay. >> And uh >> I'm just kidding. >> [laughter] >> Pretty much whatever you say it types it out for me. >> Oh, okay. Cool. >> So, it pretty much writes my report. >> It's fine, isn't it? >> I I I or whatever it's called, artificial intelligence. >> So, she had came in yesterday. >> Rojas? >> Yes, Mrs. Rojas. She came in yesterday cuz she was needing help to set up transportation cuz she wanted to go to Española. >> Mhm. >> So, my coworker, he helped her and gave her the information and stuff and told her to come back today. That way we could like progress with it. So, she came in today and she gave me a little paper that had like the notes that my coworker had took in. Um that way >> Mhm. >> Okay, sorry. So, she came in back today. So, I had asked her like how can I help her? And she goes, "Oh, I'm just trying to set up like about like the the transportation." So, I was like, "Okay." So, she gave me the little note. I read what the note was. I just asked her to see if she had her Presbyterian ID >> Mhm. >> on her. And she said that she doesn't, that she doesn't have any cards or anything. And I was like, "Okay, well, that's fine." Um and then she was like, "Well, why like I just want to make sure my HIPAA is okay." I'm like, "What do you mean by your HIPAA?" She goes, "Well, yeah, cuz it's all my medical information." And I was like, "Okay, well, but I don't know what that you're concerned about." And then she was all like, "Well, because I just told him everything yesterday and you guys should have everything on your file. and like why do you have to ask me so many questions? >> Okay. >> And I was like, "Okay, well, I just just need to identify it and I just needed to make sure." And then she goes, "Well, he did everything yesterday." And I was like, "Okay, well, he sounds um so then that's when I I just told her lady and I I called her mister um Howard and I'm like, "Mrs." She goes, "Did you just call me mister?" And I was like, "I did. I'm sorry, but I corrected myself and said Mrs." She goes, "No, you didn't. Do I look like a male? All I did was just change my hair color and then I >> And that's when she got involved? >> Yeah, and she started yelling and I was just trying to calm her down like and then I told her I'm like, "I'm not going to help you if you're going to continue yelling help yelling at me." So I gave her back her paper and which she tried to grab my hand and like whoop. And then um that's when Linda came out and she goes, "Hey, like you just need to be respectful like you need to calm down and stuff like that." And then that's just when it started going crazy. >> Okay. Cool. Um and then did you see the suspect um grab the pens? >> Mhm. >> How how can you would you describe it to me like pretend you're her? >> So like the pens were like in the in the cup, right? Like up here and she was backwards and then it's like she could just grab and then like grab the pens and she went like that and then that's when I moved like away and cuz I was still on the phone and I look [clears throat] she has a pen cuz the operator >> Like jabbing motions? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay, sounds good. Thank you. Okay. And just to confirm at any point she didn't grab the glass, right? >> No, she didn't. Just the just the pens. That's the only thing. >> All right, then. So we're going to be taking her in for battery. Are you >> Mhm. >> I uh I confirmed with my supervisor to see if they would charge aggravated assault or attempted because of the stabbing motions. >> Um by this point it's going to get reviewed but for now he's going to be charged with aggravated battery, okay? >> Okay. >> Um >> I'm trying to get a hold of our IT tech guy because I know that video only lasts like 3 days on it. >> Okay, you should be okay. >> So >> Give you a card and when you guys do get it >> Are you okay? >> Yeah. >> Just call me back. >> All right. Okay. >> Okay, this will be the case number my name and badge number. When you guys do find footage just call us guys and then an officer will come here and pick up the video. >> Or just give it to you. >> Okay. >> All right, do you guys have any questions for us? >> Um Did you give me your card so I can send you it? And do I just take it to the police department? I'm like I'm just going to say it. I'm really careful how this is like the the stuff that's going to be delivered because last time we were broken in I gave a police officer our evidence. And I mean we had footage, we had everything about who came and robbed us. And then nothing was done. So I want to know I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way. What would be the correct Do I call you and make sure that I just give it to you? >> Yeah, so call cuz I I can't I can't promise you it's going to be me cuz I could be dealing with another situation. Um you can request me and then if I'm if I if I'm not busy I'll come and and give it to you. >> Okay, can I can I grab your number? >> So it's going to be yeah, just call the non-emergency line and request 1105. >> Okay, I'm not trying to be because last time Yeah. I mean nothing was done. And I mean these are >> [laughter] >> Are you charging her with assault? >> The battery, yeah. >> Okay. I'm I'm going to call the city. And probably with a weapon because he they know as soon as they come in here any type of plans or anything it's a weapon. They already know by the court. You just stay >> All right, you guys I'm going to go take her in, okay? >> Thank you. Appreciate it. God bless you and your >> Put your stuff on my hood real quick. Get your hands out of your pocket. Get your hands out of your pocket. Okay, put your hands behind your back. >> Okay, >> I'm >> Don't [ __ ] hit me. >> Stop. your hands behind your back. >> Don't [ __ ] hit me. >> I'm not going to hit you, okay? But don't resist. >> You [ __ ] hurt me, stop. >> Miss Howard, stop resisting me, though, okay? I'm trying to see if you have any weapons on you. Do I know that, though? >> Please, don't break my cigarette. >> Okay, I'm not going to break your cigarette. I'll even let you smoke it a little bit. Okay. Okay. >> Be careful with my purse. >> Okay, what's >> I have a couple of tunnel cigarettes. >> Okay. Okay. Let's walk over here to my car. >> Can you get my phone out of my pocket? >> I will grab it. Don't >> Can you pull my grandma's >> You don't make the decisions, Miss Howard. I make the decisions. >> can't be stolen. >> I'm here to help you. Nobody's going to steal anything. Sit down. >> Every cop stole my property, friend. >> 951, I have a female detained. >> Please, don't act like that. I'm serious, okay? I know the [ __ ] captain from the sheriff's department. He They always do this to me. >> Slow down. I'm here to help you. I'm not going to steal your stuff. Stop. Stop, okay? The crying stuff is not going to work >> Yeah, I know, because I'm trying to be emotional. I'm trying to express my emotions, then you're telling me I can't cry. >> That's not working with me, okay? >> Okay, fine. Where's the sheriff's department? >> Huh? >> [laughter] >> The The >> Hold on, you got something in >> The captain to the sheriff's department. >> What do you need the captain for the sheriff's department? >> Because he knows me. >> Okay, well, I'm here now, okay? So, I don't >> But you guys don't know me. >> Okay, well, what's Listen, your stuff is >> I'm trying to get a ride back to Darren's place, and they won't help me. >> Who's Darren? >> It's the rehab. >> Slow down, okay? The reason why you're detained is I have suspicion of battery, okay? >> Yeah, they attacked me. >> Okay, I will talk about that, okay? But the reason why you're in cuffs right now is because one, I had reasonable suspicion to two, detain you. And also >> Can I put on my bra? >> Well, when I was going to you down, you jerked at me, okay? So, I'm not going to deal with that. That's why you're in cuffs, okay? >> beat me up and put the cuffs >> going to be beating up, okay? You're in handcuffs now. You're under my care now at this point, okay? Nobody's going to hurt you from here. Officer Dorado, okay? So, relax, okay? I'm going to collect your stuff and make sure it doesn't go anywhere. It's going to stay right here, okay? Okay. Miss Howard, so you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have them present with you while you are being questioned. If you can afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not make any statements uh and not answer my questions or make any statements. Do you understand these rights I've explained to you, Miss Howard? >> Yes, can I ask you a question? What's up? Are you not supposed to uh read me those rights before putting on cuffs on? >> No, I don't have to. >> Okay. >> The only time I have to read you read you your rights is if >> I could talk to a therapist before I go in, right? >> You're not going to jail right now. You're just detained, okay? I will let you know when you're under arrest, but right now you're just detained. I don't have to read you your Miranda rights if I if you were under detention where you're not free to leave and I want to ask you questions, okay? So, if I wasn't going to ask you questions, I can just take you to jail, but I want to ask you some questions and it just allows us to be more open with each other, okay? So, Miss Howard, what happened with you and your therapist over here? >> They don't listen to me and I've been trying for 2 days to get a ride back to Darren's place for my medical transportation that they know I don't have a phone. >> Mhm. >> And then they took me shopping instead of my house and everything for this refresh start program and they told me that I couldn't even get in the program unless I lived on the street. So, I left Oxford House so that I could do what they said. So, I was on the street for 2 months by the time I got this place. They took me shopping. She wouldn't even go in my house to see the what I did to set up and now they're all mad and gave me an eviction notice. So, I'm trying to go to Darren's place. >> Where's Darren's place at? Okay. Oh, wait, Darren's place is it's a a Like it's a >> It's a physical rehab. >> It's a rehab place. That's what it's called, Darren's Place? Okay. So, what happened over there right now though? I know you said about your upset because you got attacked. >> with cuz I'm sitting here and I have to get schizophrenia in my head and I'm sitting there and I don't know if it's the computer if it's her and she's literally talking saying literally the things that I told her and asked not to say how the reception is and I keep telling them >> Where was it at though? Where >> Just now. >> Where at though? >> At the community in Lowell. >> The community in Lowell? >> Yeah, that's where I've been trying to see my therapist and they won't let They won't let me see her. >> Monacella. >> Okay, so what happened with Monacella? >> They Well, I got into an argument with her about 2 years ago whenever I first started there. >> Not Not about 2 years ago. What happened today though? >> They have I haven't seen her. >> Okay, so what happened over there before you left? >> that attacked me was saying she was my therapist or some [ __ ] >> not. >> No. I showed her my pin and I told her, "Please respect me." and she started attacking me. >> She started attacking you? >> Yes, she's the one who restrained me. >> Like how how did she start attacking you? >> With her arms. Like, you know what I mean? >> Like getting like >> Like trying to hold me like restraining me back. >> Okay. >> Cuz I told her I wasn't going to leave the office. >> Well, I had to like hold myself, you know, until I gave her a count of three and then I had pushed her off with my knees. >> My people over here sent for you. Send her to the address on the card. I'm sorry. >> I had pushed her off with my knees but I counted three and I told her like I'm not, you know what I mean? Like I'm just on state probation. Like They're my therapist. >> Okay. Did you hit them at all? >> I tried not to so I don't know if I You know what I mean? Like she was I was in a ball. >> Okay. >> And I just know that I have burns on my back. >> Uh-huh. >> And I had threw a pot. >> Okay. >> Everything else I'm just reacting. >> a pot? Right just right now? >> It was like a flower pot. >> You throw it at somebody? >> I don't know. It might have been somebody from like an actual like person in counseling. >> Okay, but who were you trying to throw it at though? >> I was just like I don't know. I was just reacting. You know what I mean? >> Okay. >> Cuz I really do have schizophrenia and stuff. Like >> and like we're not discounting that, okay? But we're trying to figure out of like what was the whole scuffle at the place at 4:00? >> Because the lady is just procrastinating. >> Okay, so you're trying to see your therapist, but your therapist is not there. This lady says, "Oh, I'm your therapist." >> the secretary yesterday said they could help me with the the phone. So that they could schedule it right and the therapist had already scheduled everything. They just had to recall that number and see if the thing went through. >> Okay, but today >> She wouldn't do it. >> And so you got upset. >> looking for all my paperwork. >> Okay. So >> So I got upset and I was like, "Why you have to do the same thing they did yesterday if you had already did it? You just have to call and see if it's there." >> after that? You got upset. >> She started yelling and I was saying that it was her first day. I was like, "It's not your first day. I've seen you here before. You're a secretary." >> Okay. >> And then she got mad at me and then after my voice had got rose, you know what I mean? Because my voice gets loud when they act like they don't hear me. >> Mhm. >> Like I'm seriously looking in their eyes giving full respect, you know what I mean? And it's not that hard for common sense. And then she attacked like >> She So you think that So you're saying that she came after you first? >> force me to leave the building. >> And then what happened when you didn't want to leave? >> "No. I was going to wait for you guys." >> Okay. >> She wouldn't let me wait inside. >> to escort you out. And then you said, "No, I'm going to wait for the cops." And then what happened after that? >> We started fighting. >> Okay. >> I was restrained. I don't know if that's fighting. >> did you throw punches at her? >> Oh, I don't know if it was directed. She's the only one covering, you know what I mean? So >> she wearing over there? >> She has the boy haircut and she has blue eyes. >> Do you know her name? >> No. She's the first time I've seen her there. No, that's the therapist that attacked me. >> But you don't know her name. >> No. She's the first time I've seen her. >> All righty. Do you need medical attention, Rocky? >> Honestly, I just want you guys to look at my back cuz I have scratches. It's not the first time I've been scratched by authority, you know what I mean? I don't know if they're authority, but they sure do act like it. >> Okay. Okay. If you if you would like medical attention, we can get them over here to check you out, okay? >> Should I? >> Uh it's up to you. I can't answer that for you, Rocky. >> All right, guys. I'll try. just I don't know. >> All right, Rocky. step out real quick, okay? I'll let you smoke that cigarette, okay, but you're going to jail today for battery, okay? >> Okay. >> Do you have anything on you that can stick me, poke me, or stab me? >> No. >> Okay. Some more lighters? What is this? A vape? >> weed vape, yeah. >> Do you have a cigarette somewhere though? >> Yeah, it should be sitting in my pocket somewhere. I don't know where I left it. >> No, that's weed, sorry. I have a cigarette somewhere though, I know it's in my pocket. >> Okay, I'll look, I'll look, okay? I'm going to clear your pockets, okay? >> Okay. It's my keys to my house. >> Okay. >> My car. >> Do you have a car? Where's your car at? >> It's at the Sunset Auto cuz they were trying to steal it from me. >> Okay, so it got towed or what? >> No, yeah, I ran out of gas. >> Okay. So, you had somebody come and tow it to you for you? >> Well, I know that it's the dealership. >> The dealership towed it? >> Yeah, cuz it's set to the GPS. >> Okay, what kind of car is it? >> It's a Envoy. >> It's I think I know which one it is. >> Yeah. >> Did you kind of leave it over here in this neighborhood? >> Yeah, they were trying to steal it from me. >> Okay, yeah, I'm the one that got it towed. I'm the one that found it. I got it towed. So, I'm glad I found it though. >> Yeah. >> I was trying to look for you. I was like, "Where is she at?" >> Yeah, they were trying to take it. >> That's a pencil. >> Yeah. >> Is your ID right here? >> Yeah, that's the one they stole from me and I think me and my mom had found it. >> The Envoy? >> Yeah, well, I don't know if they didn't take the car cuz I had my keys in there. You can't hot-wire it. But, my driver's license is in my wallet. >> Is this where you want me to go? Unless there's a cigarette in this pocket, I don't think you got a cigarette. >> All right. >> I have more weed. >> Yeah, that's my cigarette. You can open it, you can open it. >> We'll just finish searching you and I'll let you smoke it, okay? >> Okay. >> You got to suck it down though, okay? We're not going to get to sit here forever, okay? Are these underwear or is it sweats? >> spandex and then I have underwear on on my pants. >> Okay. So, what's So, is there pockets to this though? >> No, they're just banded. >> Okay. You can sit back in. If you get to the jail can, there's something on you, Rocky, you're going to be held liable. Okay, sit down I'll get you that cigarette. Let me get you a lighter. I got to close the door though so I can open the other one. How about that? All right, you want to sit down real quick? >> Yeah. I have hair in my mouth. >> Don't blow it in my car. Sit over here. Over here. Over here. >> Is there any way you can help me here? >> With what? >> With like my hand? >> I can't, okay? >> I'm supposed to smoke like this? You can't just release one hand? >> I can't, Rocky, okay? Just cuz you're in cuffs now, I can't relinquish it until we get into the jail, okay? I'm doing you a big favor even letting you smoke, okay? So, I usually don't even let people do this, but if it's going to calm you down where you're not going to give us problems, I'll just let >> Can you hold my hair so it don't catch on fire? >> Yeah, I'll be able to hold the cigarette. Okay. Let's get her Just the wind. You have to face this way if you're going to Open your mouth. Yeah. A little bit better. >> Can you straighten it? >> The cigarette? >> Yeah, right here. So I can breathe. Are you guys going to let Frank Orozco know everything? >> For what? >> My probation officer that I've been having hell with. >> Or PO, probation at adult probation or at the >> Right here at the PPO. >> Okay. >> It's cuz I'm state, everything else is fed. >> You're on state probation? Is it Frank Orozco? >> Orozco. >> Orozco? Is your PO? >> Yeah. >> Okay. What are you on paper for? >> Well, just for the dimming charges, but >> the dimming charges? >> Um I I it was restitution for breaking and entering on residential or something like that. It was a school from the COVID area with >> You broke into a school? >> Well, it was under construction. So, like the whole building was open. You know what I mean? So, I went in there for shelter and I was just playing like >> Okay. >> I I can't really tell them at the judge. >> out or what? >> Well, they had did the global sentencing. That's when I had started there. >> Okay. So, they just sent you to probation? How many How long? >> Um I still have until May and then that's when I came over here and they had scheduled my appointment but for some reason my alarm didn't even go off on the right day. >> Okay. Yeah, you might have talked to your PO. Okay. >> Yeah, that's what I was trying to tell them and they didn't listen. >> Okay. All right, let's finish with that up, okay? Get the last few more drags of it and we'll get out of here, okay? >> All right. Just don't throw it. >> I I I have to, okay? I can't take it anywhere. It can't go in your property, okay? So. >> Well, I'm trying to prove this [ __ ] but it was literally >> That's it. Okay. You want to sit back at the car? >> Yeah.