Say that. Damn, that looks something like me. >> That is you. >> This is the moment that Robert Edwards, one of central Ohio's deadliest killers, realized that his 30 years of flying under the radar, murdering and terrorizing innocent women have come to an end. All because of one simple mistake. >> If you don't know her, I don't. And you had never seen her before. You explained to me how your DNA was found by her. >> With his DNA, all detectives know is that he is responsible for the killings of at least two women. Now, in this interrogation, they will be left wondering, are there more? >> I mean, I'm certain there's more. There's more girls. [snorts] >> And what else is the psychopath hiding? >> We know the truth is that you were there and that you did it. 1. When the rural town of Urban Crest, Ohio, was faced with a horrifying sight. On a picturesque street surrounded by quaint homes and kids playing in lawns, a local discovered the body of a woman, abandoned on [music] a roadside. Her name was Alma Lake, and she was just 30 years old. Who put her there wouldn't be revealed until she had already been gone for as long as she lived. For 30 long years, locals in Urban Crest and her family in nearby Columbus spiraled, wondering if the killer was lurking amongst them, looking for more victims. And they had reasons to worry because he was. In 1996, just a few miles away, another quiet street was faced with the same devastating discovery in the early morning hours. On November 11th, 1996, the body of 36-year-old Michelle Dawson Pass was discovered at the end of a rural road, abandoned in the woods. She too had been strangled and [music] abandoned. In between their murders was a string of attacks on young women which forced the suburbs around Columbus to face a disturbing question. Did they have a serial killer in their midst? It wouldn't be until 2022 when DNA linked 66-year-old Robert Edwards, a former truck driver, janitor, and member of the military to the murders of Michelle and Alma. And when it did, police were swift to bring him in [music] for questioning because finally it seemed like they'd have answers to a 30-year long mystery. >> Yeah. >> Ready? >> Yeah. Need any help? >> No. Yeah. So, what's up? Okay. What? So, this is like this is a multiple thing of cases that I've been tasked with. So, >> I'm kind of I'm kind of just sorting through all of it. And it's told you it was big. That's why we couldn't do a second place. So, I cuz I didn't want to like drag all that stuff out with me. >> Mhm. >> And we'll get you back home as soon as I get finished. Ain't no big deal. All right. So, if you don't mind, Robert, can I get just some information from you? >> Okay. >> And uh Sorry. Can I say something quick? >> Yeah. First of all, we appreciate you coming down. You're here voluntarily. You're not under you're not in any kind of custody. Nothing. So, we appreciate you coming down. >> If you see any cop walking into an interrogation room with a stack of files that looks like the leaning tower of Pisa, pack it up. It's game over. Police go over Robert's life story where he conveniently leaves out the several crimes he was convicted of throughout his life. He served in the army from 75 to 77, then worked for Sears and then worked in trucking after that. But in between the steady career, there were stints in jail. One for robbery, one for drug possession, and then one for attacking a woman, which we'll get into soon. >> So, living in Columbus, at what years, what years did you drive a truck around here? Just out of curiosity. >> 95 96 is all I remember. >> Okay. Everything's been a fog since I got locked up in uh I think it was 93. >> What' you get locked up for? >> Uh robbery. >> Okay. Is that the only time you ever been in trouble? >> Uh no, that's the only time I got got the time really got caught. I got you. You went to prison. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You uh that was in 93. How long did you do? Uh, I didn't get parrolled until 2000, 2001. >> Okay. So, so you were in in and out of parole. >> Okay. So, so you get violated a couple times. Go back here and there. Okay. So, 93 and then it was finally finished in you said what? 2001. So, is it over? >> Mhm. >> Finally. Okay. I got no problem. >> When did you get out of prison the first time? Like when when did you actually get out? >> Yeah. I have no idea. I'm going say like, "Well, y'all going to look all bad up." >> Hey, you're you're going to save me a little bit of work here. >> Um, >> so like 93 Okay, so 90 Okay, so 93 you went in for robbery and then you got out and then you were finally like the sentence was completed in 2001. >> Yeah. Um, you were in in and out on like you get out like you get pole and you catch a violation I guess and the pearl officer probably puts you back in for some probably some petty [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Am I on it? >> Yeah. >> All right. Sounds about right. Um 93. um when you're going so going over that. Um during any like you seem like a super cool dude. Um were were you addicted to anything? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. That's where we go. That's where we go. So, um >> I've been clean since 2011. >> Congrat November of 2011. >> Nice. clean since November >> 200. >> Um, prior to that, like, uh, do you remember how old you were when you started using? Like what year maybe? >> Uh, early 80s. >> So, early 80s. What was your drug choice? Anything else? >> Nope. No. Um, no alcohol addiction at the time or anything like that. Nothing like that. >> I quit 1980 when my son was born. >> Okay. >> 1980. >> He quit the green, but not the much more concerning substance for his son, or shall we say sons and daughters, because Robert has seven children and struggles to name them when investigators ask, which isn't a great look. If he had known his kids a little better or been in their lives, he might not ever have found himself sitting in a police station. Because Robert was connected to Alma and Michelle through a familial DNA match. When multiple of his sons were arrested in the late 2010s and early 2020s, their DNA, which they had to enter into the system, matched as a genetic descendant of the person who killed Alma and Michelle. Ultimately, it was his kids going to prison that was his downfall. Had they never been arrested, he may still have been on the streets, which is a terrifying thought. Cops go to gather evidence to show Robert. Meanwhile, he casually chats with one of his kids on the phone, who has some solid advice for him. And if you love watching killers like Robert realize they're not the smartest in the room, subscribe. That's literally all we do here. Well, they came and got me. So, they must it must have had something to do with something that I know about or someone did or what you >> Yeah. >> Well, he said it for something old. So I know if it didn't happen in the last what from 93 to now I ain't worried about it then and I think jail till 2001 my daughter had y'all got the right person who is it my daughter oh your daughter what you say the right person Robert Edwards everybody. There's a lot. I got three so-called sons with that name. I have met I'm going say at least 20 people in prison with that name. Three sons. >> Oh, but they got my first and last minute. >> Oh, okay. >> That's why I asked and she thought we had one. Well, we think think. >> So, I want to show you some pictures. I want to ask you if you know these people and how you know. >> Okay. >> Is that fair? >> That's fair. >> Just go here. >> Do you know her? >> Never seen her before in my life. >> Okay. All right. Her name is Carmen. Did Did you Did you ever get arrested by CPD? >> CPD? like the Columbus Division of Police. >> Yeah. >> Uh over off of like what was it be? Brighton Brighton Road area. >> Oh yeah. >> Can you can you tell me about that? >> I sure can. >> All right. It started early that morning. The morning well the morning before that me and her and her buddy we all take off and go uh go drinking. We started like say like 9:00 in the morning. Started off on Avenue and all went all the way across Columbus to the uh short all the way back out west and all the way back there. I sat there and dropped her off. Look, I dropped all of them off as to uh why I was supposed to be working. But anyway, when they got in the car, she got up in the front seat with me. I can't remember her little purse, but the girl said put her uh purse in the backseat of my car and uh Elvin and uh the other girl was in the back seat and other uh me if that's her was in the front seat. We party all day. Nothing just like the kids and it was on a chick wasn't even we drive off. I drove off after I dropped everybody off, dropped tires off and everybody took off from what they were. I I went all the way out to Urban Quest and uh washed the car that I was driving and [clears throat] I forgot to No, when I was cleaning the car, I found the person in the back seat. So, I put the back uh the car the car put the stuff back in the back uh I brought the car back. I would brought the stuff back from the car out. I brought the car back and brought the uh the person put the person in the front seat. I mean I found him when I was cleaning the car. >> Okay. >> And that's when the police woke me up. >> Was it your car? >> Yes. I asked you. >> No. Was one of the shops car. >> Okay. What shop you work at? >> It was right where they picked me up at. I don't know the name of it. I was working for uh Jones and uh Ralph and I was helping her clean cars, bunch paint, stuff like that. >> And they let us use cars and stuff at night. Cuz anyway, I was bringing the car back the next morning at well early in the morning and they said that uh the girl told him that I had breakthrough and stuff and so all you did was kiss her on the cheek and she about now uh we were all in the shop but when they come they came out when they came out of that shop I mean when I first pulled up they bring out knives and hatchets and all kind of stuff. I don't even know where that stuff came from. Who was >> the police? I'm sitting up here watching it. When they sit, man, me in the uh back seat of the car, I'm watching bringing all this stuff out. I didn't know where all of this stuff come from. Okay. >> Carmen Skipper knows exactly what happened to her. In 1991, around the same time that Alma was killed, Robert Edwards picked her up off a corner and attacked her. The attack she faced at the hands of Robert was sexual in nature and involved many of the same tactics that were proven to have been used on Alma and Michelle prior to their deaths. Carmen, however, made it out alive and was able to identify Robert Edwards and had him arrested. Unfortunately, as you'll soon hear, that arrest didn't last long. >> When I drove up to the shop, there was police pulled me over and said that I had all this stuff. I don't know what they were talking about. So, so they never had But you know what? I'm sitting up here thinking where I don't know. I ain't responsible. >> Okay. >> You're not stupid though. No. >> But I I don't know. I really honestly don't know. >> So So was that night was that the first time you had met her? >> Yes. >> You had never met her before? >> No. Was she like was she a or anything like that that you know? >> I have no idea. >> Okay. Do you remember where you picked her up at? Uh on road. Um okay. Um so what happened with that case? Do you know? Do you remember it? >> They held me for 11 months and it got thrown out. >> 11 months. >> You got held in jail for 11 months? Yeah. >> And then it got dismissed. >> Yep. Anything else on that one, you think? >> No. Wonder why I just missed it. Have any idea? >> I have no idea. No. >> Well, they were lying anyway cuz I don't know if we have I can't. But I know we got drunk that day. >> Okay. >> I can tell you that for sure. >> Okay. All right. >> Yeah. >> Um you this lady never met her before. I was her and the girl was in the back seat. I don't know. >> I do remember the ground. Okay. >> Yeah. I don't think so. >> This lady here. >> Have you ever met her before? >> Never seen her before. >> Okay. You sure? >> Yeah. I remember. >> Never seen her before. >> Did you ever have any relationship with her? >> No. >> Do you know? No, I don't. >> No. Girl, girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, ex-wife. >> No, no, no. >> No. She was she was she may have picked up. >> I will remember that. No. That >> Okay. Okay. >> I don't remember. Okay. I know damn well. I don't know. I don't know that. Not not very. >> So yeah, these aren't these aren't exactly the best photographs of people at their best as you know like I have I have those photos as well. Um you do not know her. >> No, I do not know her. No shape or form. >> No shape or form. >> Girlfriend, ex-wife. No relationship before. >> Lady from the night you may have picked. >> No. >> Okay. >> I don't remember. No. >> He said he didn't. But you don't pick lady. You never did you ever you ever like pick up? No, I there something like that. They're impressed by it. >> No. >> Okay. >> No. No. No. Okay. So, you didn't mess with them? >> No. >> Okay. >> All right. About this lady here. >> Never seen her before. Matter of fact, she look like the girl down the hallway from me. >> Okay. Lighting her up. No, that's I mean that's not a picture of anybody. Oh, that's that's a picture that we got. computer generated picture something. >> Okay. >> All right. So, let's circle back. >> Okay. >> So, you know Carmen, >> I think I know I don't know for sure. >> You You know Carmen? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Carmen alleged a lot of violent things that happened to her. Okay. Go ahead, J. She No, no, no. She did. Hey, dude. We're out. Dude, we are outside um like stat limitations on this. There's there's there's nothing that can be done with this one at all. And that's why I want that but like so she alleg she alleges a lot of violent things that happened to her that night. We read the case file. They went over way back. Way back. Okay. >> But you're saying it didn't happen. It didn't happen. with me. Well, all we did was drink all day. >> Okay. But so so you're so you're certain on this that they I mean >> you know certain on what? >> Certain that no harm was done to her by you? >> No harm. No. >> So Robert, let's I want to talk about Carmen again. >> So Carmen, she's the one who had you locked up for 11 months. >> All right. So what were her allegations? Cuz if you're locked up for 11 months, you have to know those allegations, right? So what were those like when we like what were the details that he alleged? I never went to court for it. All I know they picked me up when I brought the box the first and they told me they were uh arresting me and then I set up in jail while I was down at work for 11 months. They finally let me out. So that so during that time you never went to any court proceeding. Your attorney your attorney never provided you with any type of information about um what happened during the case. >> You never saw your indictment. Nothing. >> None of that. >> So he was just locked up in the Franklin County Jail >> for 11 months >> and never and never found out exactly what happened. Okay, >> dude. That's [ __ ] >> That's okay. Um and then we're going to So then when we talk about all my lady go ahead let me say one thing. So, if if it'll help refresh your memory, that that lady, the girl that you picked up, whatever, she alleged that you tried to agree about that. I told you that uh we went over to the short north. >> Yeah. And uh we did and some of it start to come back now. >> Okay. >> But uh pretty specific. Yeah. >> Yeah. So do you recall that it's is that I remember it was all three of the uh kitty cat and did the uh angles and it okay. >> You remember all three of with her. With her. >> Oh, okay. >> So, you did. So, so can I ask you where that happened at? >> All I can say is up in the short north at this uh I can't even tell you what building it was in. I'll say it's like right off of >> at trial. For unknown reasons, the charges against Robert Edwards were dropped. This is a sadly common event during trials for charges involving these kinds of crimes because the victim has to testify and for them it is incredibly traumatic which often leads to them dropping charges or not showing up to court out of fear. We aren't certain if that happened here because there are a lot of possibilities including the fact that sadly Carmen faced a lot of discrimination at the time of the crime. She was working as a lady of the night at the time Robert attacked her. And this was around the same period of time when cases involving people doing that type of work were sometimes labeled by police departments as NHI cases or no human involved cases. In other words, the victims were viewed as less than human because of their profession, which is exactly why criminals like Robert Edwards targeted them and were able to prowl around cities causing irreparable damage. And we suspect it's also why we could hardly find a single newspaper article in the archives talking about the murders of Alma or Michelle because they were viewed as less than. >> All right, let's circle back to circle back here. Let's circle back to her. >> You don't know? >> I don't know. >> Okay, so you you you lived in a crest, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. [clears throat] So she was found in Urban Crest. >> Olive and Craig. >> Olive and Craig in Urban Crest. >> Oh, what? >> Oh, Olive Street and Craig Street and and Urban Crest. You found an intersection there. >> Okay. Does that bring any back anything? >> Hoopen Hollow or what they call uh >> Urban Crest. >> Urban Hollow. That's where I live. had. >> Okay. >> There were shootouts out there, but there were no bodies out >> uh over an urban crest. >> No. Okay. Well, she so she was found she was found dead. >> Yeah. She was found deceased. >> Yeah. >> And the re is she? >> She's not. No. >> So, is it So, the question I have for you is this, and this is just, you know, we're trying to figure this all out. If you don't know her, >> I don't. >> And you had never seen her before [snorts] and I don't remember >> and she was found in her room crest. Can you explain to me how her your DNA was found her? >> Like I said out there, but but you told us that you you didn't pick up in Columbus. I said wait. I said I lived in urban urban hollow >> and I met Con in urban crest. Now this is before the that well before I knew about >> and you know I sat there and uh paid10 or $15 to help a person out you know I did I mean old lady going through up and down but >> you had a job had some extra money >> huh >> you had a job trying to help her out. So at So in ' 91, who were you married to? >> Uh to be Daniel. >> Okay. >> Okay. So with that being said, like what we're trying to get to is like how I mean, so you said that you did not pick up women and you in Columbus. >> In Columbus. Okay. But I did mess around with a few girls out there in Right. All right. We'll circle back again. Okay. All right. So, this girl here I know. I don't know. All right. Y'all say that my uh DNA was in there. There's something wrong. >> No way. >> So, so that so that's Michelle Dawson and um she was found she found dead in Newark. She was found dead. Matter of fact, to be exact, she was found dead at 1470 James Road in Grandville, Ohio, which is in Newark. Um, here here I guarantee you probably when all this was happening, I was out out cuz I was the safety person for MPW. I don't know nothing about this. >> Robert's job at the time of the murders involved a lot of travel. His longhaul trucking took him to the south, west, and northeast, which has police panicking because they have to wonder how many more victims has he been able to target in the past 30 years. And will they even be able to find them? >> There's no way that any of your DNA will be on her cuz you never seen her. >> I don't remember seeing her. I'll say that. I don't remember seeing. All right. But you said November. I know from the spring all up until like the holidays of Christmas. I was in down south a safety person for MBW. >> Okay. So, so you're saying you wouldn't have been in the state till after Christmas? >> Yeah. Well, right before Christmas. All right. >> Cuz you said November. I know. I wasn't on Thanksgiving. >> Okay. >> To the There's no way you could know her from >> No. Well, you know her. No way you can know her from Columbus. >> I don't know her. I don't remember. Let me put that this way. Y'all taking me back so far that I don't remember nothing like a lot because the one girl that y'all showed, I didn't know her. >> Yeah. It's It's a lot of years. >> It's a lot of years. I mean, my the only stuff that was in there my uh kitty cat had >> So So when you So when you do you mean her? Okay. I like it all. We like it all. I get that. But uh personally, I do not remember her. I honestly don't remember. >> Okay. So, was somebody else speak to you when you picked her up? >> I never picked her up. >> If you ever would have picked her up, >> not that I know of. No. >> Okay. I mean like I know it's been a while and stuff but uh then like I would know her and like I said I picked up a lot of girls out but I never took them off since there was too many uh >> What about her? >> Look at me for a second. I didn't get here by accident. >> Okay. I just want you to look at me for a second. Okay. I didn't get here by accident. There's a reason why I'm asking you this is >> No, honestly, I don't know who it is. >> Okay, but take a good look at her face. >> Why? >> Doesn't ring a bell. It's not somebody you dated or had a relationship with. It's not somebody you recognize. >> It's nobody I recognize. >> Okay. Okay. We're not tricking you or anything. No, >> we just want to trick you. Robert, >> would you find it odd that the reason that we keep circling back to Carmen? [snorts] Because he survived, why would we keep going back to her? Because these two [snorts] little the exact same thing happened to. This isn't a coincidence. This isn't This isn't I'm not making this up. I'm not lying to you. All of them. Facts. Carmen lived. Carmen can tell her story. Carmen told the story. >> Carmen got out of my car. >> Right. >> Right. >> But where was she at before that car? I don't know. Oh, I'm on. Right. Where was she at? I have no idea. Okay. Was she on roll, too? Was she? Well, you tell me you're working. >> No, because the time he tells me I was out of town. I was working for >> You weren't out of town. >> MPW. >> You weren't out of town, Robert. Because I have your work schedule from MPW from 1996. >> You worked that day. I know cuz I've seen it. >> Mhm. >> All right. I told you I didn't get here by accident. >> Okay. >> Right. You're at a point in your life where you need to kind of start thinking about things. And these people were humans. They had families. Okay? That's things you need to think about. Clear your conscience. We're not trying to trick you or anything like that. We're giving them. Look at me. I have no reason to trick you. >> I'm looking at you straight in your eyes, right? Like I have no reason to lie or to trick you. I don't. Why would I? >> You tell me that I know this person and I don't know. I mean, I barely recognized the girl that was in Urban West and I didn't know per y but but here's here's the thing. I don't remember none of these people. We're not saying you know like we're not like your friend. We're saying early I asked you do you said no. Well, conveniently, all three of these women, that's what happened to For the one that the one that I picked up off. She was She was one. >> Carmen. >> Yeah, she admitted to us. She We talked to Carmen. She told us every living detail of what happened to her that night and she can remember it like she was reading a book with me and she's not I haven't told I here's the one thing I promise you is that I would not lie to you and I have not lied to you yet and I'm not going to lie to you. What I'm telling you is that this is a fact. Carmen, Michelle, and all three. All three exactly the same. Exactly. So, what So, what we're trying to do is is we're trying to get some clarity. We're trying to get some closure for some families. >> That's all we're trying to do. That's it. At this point in the interrogation, police confront Robert with stories that they have heard from people he grew up with, alleging that he was displaying this sexually aggressive behavior even as a child and teen. For the privacy of the alleged victims involved, we won't be showing this portion, but from the sound of things, his crimes started early, much earlier than the 1991 murder of Alma. >> Like Detective Dave said, you're 66 years old. Okay, this is 2021, soon to be 22. There has to come a time where you have to realize none of us here are stupid. None of us have our forehead. Okay, we told you you're going home today. You're going home. I don't care what you say. He doesn't care what you say. She doesn't care. We're taking you home. But we want the truth for these families. You have that. You're the only one who has it. You have that truth in inside here. You're the only one that can tell us because these two are dead. The other one is traumatized. Even though she still remembers, but she's traumatized. So you you have that power for these sandwiches. >> Okay. Now my turn. >> All right. First of all, I don't have top of my head that I stupid, >> right? >> This woman I I really honestly don't know nothing about. I really honestly don't. And uh K is just a liar. And uh the other one I I don't remember, but I know it was a few girls I was messing with out there. >> Can I ask you a question? >> Yeah. Okay. >> How come I have people that put you with her because she owed you $40? >> No, she didn't. >> See, I do. Y'all had the right person. I ain't never saw >> that. He owed you money like you all did together. >> No, no, no. >> You sure? >> Yeah. >> What does that look like? >> I have no idea. >> Who's that? >> Damn. That looks like me. >> That is you. >> That is you. >> That is you. Look down here. Look what it says right here. Look what it says right here. That's not you. I've talked to these people. I've talked to them. >> They put you with Michelle. They said >> never having a shirt like that. >> She owed you money. Like I'm not saying you sold. saying you did some her and she owed it back to you whether it was >> when this >> 1996 >> man just what month I can put it >> November November November >> and what did I pick up uh you know >> is that what I picked up at you you're the one who has to answer these questions I don't know I honestly Oh, no. I take a lot of that. I do not know this woman. You Well, >> yes. I do not know this woman. >> Robert takes on the persona of a disgraced president, repeating over and over that he did not know the woman in the pictures, but many people on those nights claim he did. The 1990s were an epidemic for a certain type of rock, if you know what I mean. People who were with Michelle the night of her death claimed to have seen her with Robert, who she allegedly owed some rock or just money to. Michelle was struggling, but she was loved. She had two young children who adored her and described that she loved to braid hair, sing, and talk about spirituality. To Robert, she was just someone he could take advantage of. >> Fact is that she was found in Lincoln County where detective D is from. >> Um, and dumped by the side of the road. So, we know for 100% certainty you are. >> Now, I'm telling you 100% I do not know this woman. Okay? I'm like I said, I'm I'm not saying you know her. I'm I'm not trying to call you a liar. I I'm just telling you facts that we know. All right? So I I don't you know if you didn't know know her name if you never partied with your with her if you never drank or smoke whatever that's but fact is she was found on the side of the road this me I don't have no idea. >> NO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT IT on you. We're trying to give you the opportunity to kind of say hey this is what happened. [ __ ] got out of control and I didn't know what to do. Well that's what we're looking for. If it was something like that, I I'd be the first one killed me. But none of these women I really remember. >> You said you would take a lie detector test. >> Yes. >> Okay. Well, the good news is I've got a lie detector operator here today and he will be he will gladly come in and perform a lie detector test on you. >> I don't have to be here all night. >> Yeah, you take about an hour here all night. It take about an hour. Not even not even an hour. He'll take 25 30 minutes. >> Well, is he here? >> He's here. >> So, let's go do this. What will I do? I do not even know about you this. Sorry. Are you hungry? >> I'm getting there, but what do you want? We'll go do something. What do you tell us? I >> I want to get this took care of. >> Okay. Okay. So, let me let me just ask you just just for clarity here. >> Did you kill her? >> No, I never killed. Did I kill her? No. Never killed. You never killed. Did you Did you Did you No. But >> this is between me and you. And I want you to put this one. Ask him. Have I ever been with a woman that's over 120 lbs? Over. Over 120. like pinball when I either had to be drunk or crazy cuz I don't [ __ ] around with women like that. Robert has the nerve here to make fun of the weight of a woman whom he brutally attacked. Now, we aren't going to be petty. We aren't going to tell you what he weighs according to his inmate records, but if we were, we'd say something like, "It's double what he claims is super unattractive, but again, we aren't petty here." After this, Robert was released. We could not locate any records on his polygraph test, and the police don't mention it in the interrogation that follows, which makes us believe that maybe someone's bark was worse than his bite here. However, several months later, the police have what they need to arrest Robert, and they bring him in for a reunion. >> Robert? Yes, sir. Long time no see. >> Yes, sir. Um, so we don't over here. Don't tell me I need to hear it. >> Okay, I will I will explain it to you, but before I'm able to explain it to you, I have to go over a sheet of paper to you. >> Personally, I don't think we've ever covered someone who sounds this eager and excited to speak with law enforcement. But that's about to change pretty drastically because the last time police spoke with Robert 10 months prior, they didn't have all the information they needed to put him behind bars. Now they do, >> I think. So I think it was in November of last year, we had a conversation about um the murder of Alma Lake. I don't know. And Michelle Dawson and were arrested for um with Carmen, what's her last name? Is it skipper or >> Okay. >> And we we went over things and we talked about it and then you basically, you know, you denied that, but we but we know that's not the case. We know we know the truth is that you were there and that you did it. So So time out. Time out. I'm talking right now. All right. You'll get your opportunity. We know what happened. We know where it happened. And what we're basically doing is notice today that we didn't come there with just our suits on and you got to ride in our car. You came there, we came there with our vest on. You rode in the back of police cars. You were handcuffed. So So things have changed drastically in that amount of time. So basically, this is your opportunity to tell us your side of what happened. Rather than allow me to paint the picture, I'm going to let you paint part of the picture. So this is your opportunity. So go ahead, paint away like that. Y'all have the wrong person, but this think I'm going to talk to a lawyer because uh there's things that I don't know. Oh. Oh, I would say I you know what I would say, Robert, with a lot of the things I don't know and I'm certain of. I mean, I'm certain there's more. There's more girls. I know. You give me I'm give you this little bit. Okay. >> I'm going to give you this little bit. Back during that time, I used to have what they call and uh if I spend money or the girls up there, what now? I'm running with two other people which I never grown up and >> [clears throat] >> um 2001 or two somebody told me that I was running with the wrong people. So we was at Charleston, West Virginia at the dog race. I left these two people that I was running with and uh there I went to Rono and I was there for like seven years, whatever. But the point is with your wife there. >> Yeah. >> But anyway, I come back home. I'm laying in the bed. I don't give up too much. But that that's the truth of everything so far. Okay. Never knew nothing about nobody. >> All right. Why don't you >> let me ask if you you're saying there's two other people that we don't know about. Tell us who they are and we'll look at them. >> No. Okay. Robert, Robert, so here's the thing. I So you you don't you don't want to talk to us anymore. You want to talk to an attorney. So I'm not going to ask you any more questions, but I'm going to tell you this. And now it's my turn to paint the picture. >> Okay. Well, >> hey. Hey. Hey. And my picture is going to be painted on facts. Facts that we know. And the key to all this is is is is what you guys all is is where you are completely missing the boat on being able to tell your side of the story is the fact that I have a alive willing witness who is going to help me and who can tell me every vivid part of her assault which matches the evidence of two other victims who you assaulted. and murder. Okay. And I have a person who came up there and did the murder and I can prove it. And now let's bring it out. All right. All right. Sounds good to me. >> Yes, sir. Appreciate you. Appreciate. Um, need to go to the bathroom or anything? I need to take a >> All right. Well, somebody come let you loose so you can take a pee and then we'll get you on your way. Get him. I got him. I got him. >> Ultimately, Robert was given two life sentences for the murder of Alma Lake and Michelle Dawson Pass. At his trial, the judge put it perfectly, telling him, "You prayed upon a very vulnerable population of women. You thought you could do whatever you wanted to them, including murdering them. You thought you could get away with it. Justice comes a little bit late, but it has come for you. Our thoughts are with all of those affected by Robert's crimes. We hope you enjoyed today's video. 85% of our viewers aren't subscribed. So, if this is the kind of content you come back for, just hit subscribe. 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