and I went to the bedroom and I found him in the bed. >> If you can't tell us who it was that killed your husband, then it must be you. >> This is Julene Simco. For nearly 5 years, detectives have pursued every lead, every suspect, and every clue they can. All to get answers for one chilling phone call Julene made. >> 911, I need police fire, ambulance. I need help. Somebody shot my husband. >> Now, as she tries to lie herself out of a murder charge, >> obviously I didn't shoot Jeremy. I didn't kill my husband. >> Julene will realize she made the biggest slip up of her life. One that will lead her right into a jail cell. >> When the emergency room asked you what happened, you saying, "I shot my husband." Well, we have that proof. >> Well, I'd like to see it. >> Is there any way that you don't think we would have to consider you as the prime suspect? At 6:00 a.m. on November 18th, 2009, police in Vermillion, Ohio, raced to the home shared by Julene and Jeremy Simco when they received this distressing 911 call. >> 911, you need police, fire, ambulance. >> I need help. >> Okay, tell me your name. >> Tell me your address. >> Mom, listen to me. What is going on? >> What do you need? Police. Ma'am, >> somebody shot my husband. >> Somebody shot your husband. >> When police arrived, they discovered 39-year-old Jeremy Simco laying on his bedroom floor, deceased from a gunshot wound to the back of the head. His wife of 10 years, Julene, was inconsolable. But given the strangeness of the scene, police immediately found themselves asking if it was because her husband had been killed or she was afraid that police would uncover that she was behind it. The following footage was provided to us by Lorraine County Prosecutor's Office, who conducted an interview with Julene 4 years after her husband was killed. Because by then, all eyes were on her. And you're about to see why. >> Do you mind if I call you Julene? >> Okay. >> All right. My name is Rick Thomas. I'm an investigator with the Lauren County Prosecutor's Office. Uh, prior to that, I was a police officer in North Ridgeville for 32 years and um, uh, I ran the detective bureau for about 12 years. Uh Dennis Terry's a special investigator uh that works with Lauren County Prosecutor's Office as well. And uh we're going to be doing this today. Um before we get started, we have to put a few things on the record. Okay. >> The detective reads Julene her rights, which seem to annoy her. In fact, as you're about to see, literally everything annoys Julene. I mean, can you blame her? Don't you just hate it when police are trying to solve your husband's murder? >> Okay. On Wednesday, November 18th, 2009, at approximately 6:00 a.m., your husband was found shot through the head in your home, in your bedroom. If you could, I'd like you to please recount for us your activities leading up to that event, beginning with the previous 24 hours, going back to Tuesday morning, November 17th, 2009, and then going forward to the time you called 911. And then after that, we'll discuss the following days after that event. Okay? So, take your time, your own words. If you just recount for us everything that happened >> you like 24 hours before. >> Yeah. When you got up Tuesday morning. How did Tuesday morning start? >> I don't remember everything. >> Okay. As best you can. >> During the day we um worked on the property behind us, worked in the yard, um leaves, raking leaves, etc. yard work in general. Um, we were canning pumpkins the night the night of night before. >> Um, I mean, I don't know specifically. I mean, those, you know, just basically what I told you. I don't know anything specifically. Just we were working in the yard, working on the property behind us. um taking stuff to the street for trash pickup. Um you other than that there's nothing, you know, really exciting. Just normal day-to-day stuff. And then that evening we were canning pumpkins, >> watching a TV show, um discussing, you know, future plans. Um, we went I don't know what time we went to bed for sure. Um, but when we went to sleep, we usually go sleep together. Um, I believe Jeremy had taken the dogs out, hooked them up before we went up. Um, went to sleep. At some point during the night, the dogs were barking outside and he had woke up and, you know, yelled out the window at the dogs. Um and and then both went back to sleep and at another point during the night I you know went up to the third floor and um went to sleep up there and then I woke up to whatever sound that I heard obviously was a gunshot. Um I went back down to the second floor uh cuz I thought Jeremy was shooting out the window. Um, and I went to the bedroom and I found him in the bed and um, I thought I heard some noises out in the hallway. I realized that something was wrong. that I heard some noises out in the hallway and I picked up gun out of the drawer and I shot towards the hallway and then um I think I went over and closed at some point I don't know if it was right after that I went and shut and lock the door to the bedroom >> and then I went in the bed to help um Jeremy and I called 911. >> Okay. And then I was on the phone with a 911 operator um until the police got there. >> And what happened then? >> After the police got there, >> Mhm. They I remember them coming into the room. Um I think there were two or three of them and um I don't I mean I kind of remember little parts. I don't remember the whole thing, >> but I remember them being in the room. Um I remember them taking me out of the room and I remember being in my bathroom at the house. Um, I remember there being like a lot of people when I came out of the bedroom. It seemed like there were a ton of people in the house. >> And then, um, I mean, I remember being in the front room of the house of the second floor >> and I remember walking out of the house, them walking me out of the house. Um, I remember seeing bullets in a shoe. I don't know why. I mean, it stuck out. There were bullets in a shoe by the back door. And then I remember getting in I think it was a police car. I don't know what it they took me to the hospital. >> Mhm. >> And when I was at the hospital in the hospital room, um they kind of I don't remember really ever seeing any um like staff or anything. I don't remember seeing a doctor or a nurse. >> I remember them at some point asking to call my mom because I realized where I was and that she worked there. and they wouldn't let me out of the room, they wouldn't let me call her. Um, they said I couldn't that I couldn't leave, that I had to stay there and that they weren't calling her right now. And I remember being questioned um by the detective and them taking some articles and of my clothing and um doing some tests and stuff on me >> asking questions and then I remember my my mom coming in. Okay. >> You want me to keep going? >> Yes, ma'am. I do. >> Um, I don't really remember too much after that. I remember being at my mom's house and showering because when I got out of the shower, I was wearing the wrong clothes when I came downstairs. And then I remember the detective being there like I think two times after that coming to the house um >> and questioning me and funny. I just I remember them being there. I didn't remember everybody that I know there were family members that came to visit me, but I don't remember who all was there. >> When police discovered Jeremy, they also found Julene beside him. She was in her underwear, absolutely drenched in red from her husband's blood. She was so hysterical that she couldn't answer any questions. Due to her shock, she was rushed to a nearby hospital where, as you'll eventually hear, she made some concerning statements. How would you describe your relationship with Jeremy? >> It was a good relationship. He was the love of my life. >> Okay. How long had you been married? >> 10 years. >> And how long did you date before you were married? >> Date date? Probably six months. I'd known him years before. >> And how did you know him? >> Through a friend. >> Okay. You didn't go to school with him or anything like that? >> No, he lived close to my parents house. So, >> okay. All right. >> How often would you guys have arguments or fights? >> I don't know. >> Oh, >> I don't know how I would know. >> I don't know how to answer that. Did we argue? Yeah, everybody argues. >> How often? I don't know. As often as other people argue. >> Okay. >> I don't know how how you want me to answer that >> or how. >> I just want you to answer I just want you to answer it honestly. I'm just trying to look for some level here of how often you guys are having an argument. had a well we got along very well. >> Okay. >> So we didn't argue that often. >> When you did argue, did it ever become violent? >> Um I did tell the detective that he did hit me one time. That was the only time. Probably when we first got married. >> What was that all about? >> I don't even remember to be honest with you. >> When you say he hit you, what do you mean by that? >> He slapped me in the face. >> Okay. And I hit him back. And that was the end of that. >> That was the end of it. >> Yeah. >> And since that time, you had never struck you again. >> No. >> Okay. So, going back to what you said, between 11:00 and midnight, you go to bed, right? Okay. And did anything occur that night that was out of the ordinary from any other night? >> Um, not that I really recall. I do remember the dogs barking, but what time were the dogs barking? >> I have no idea what time it was, but it's not I mean it wasn't that they barked sometimes. Not anything that would alarm us. There's coyotes. There's raccoons. We have 100 acres behind us. >> Okay. Well, let's go back and specifically focus in on between the hours of midnight. Let's assume that was the time you went to bed. And you said it could have been 11 to midnight, but let's assume midnight. between the hours of midnight and the hours of 6:00 am when the shooting was discovered. Okay. What occurred specifically during that period of time? Uh the we heard the dogs bark at some point. Jeremy got up and yelled out the window at the dogs. >> Mhm. >> And then um I think I remembered saying that he might have taken another pill then. It's not wasn't uncommon for him. Um, I think I said I took a sleeping pill or half a sleeping pill and I went upstairs. >> That was that was before you got in bed or >> we got into bed. >> Okay. >> To go to sleep. >> Right. >> At some point the dogs woke us up barking. >> Okay. >> He I think Jeremy was restless. He took another sleeping pill after that. >> Okay. >> And then at some point, you know, he was snoring, which he did all the time. And I got up and I took I think a half a sleeping pill and I went up to the third floor. >> Okay. When you say you got up to take a sleeping pill, where did you get the sleeping pill from? >> The hallway closet >> on the second floor or on the first floor? >> On on the second floor. >> On the second floor. Okay. All right. So, do you recall what time it was that >> I remember what time it was. >> Okay. And then why did you go to the third floor? >> So that I could sleep. >> Okay. Is there a bed up there? >> There's a couch up there. >> A couch. And were you sleeping on the couch? >> Okay. And when you went upstairs to sleep on that couch, how were you attired? >> Same way I was when I went to bed. >> You didn't take a robe with you or anything like that? >> Uh, I don't believe so. >> Okay, that's fine. Um, do you know what time it was when you got to the to the third floor? >> I didn't know what time it was. >> Okay. And did you fall asleep while you were up there? >> Yes. >> Okay. And what's the next thing you remember after falling asleep on the third floor? I remember hearing a noise that woke me up. >> How can you best describe that noise to me? >> It was a noise. I don't really recall what it was. I mean, when something wakes you up, you know, how do you describe it? I don't know. It's something loud that woke me up. >> Okay. Were you sleeping soundly? Was it a fitful sleep? Were you >> I have no idea how I was sleeping. >> Okay. >> I was sleeping with a pillow over my head, which I did quite often. >> Okay. And you heard the noise. And what was your first reaction when you heard the noise? >> Well, it woke me up. So, my first reaction was what was the noise? >> Okay. >> Obviously, there was a noise that woke me up. >> Okay. What immediately did you do after that? >> I imagine I probably sat there a few minutes. >> Okay. >> And then I went down to the second floor. >> Okay. Would you say it was a couple of minutes, several minutes? >> Uh, time frame, I have no idea. I mean, I'm sure I say it there a few minutes. >> Okay. So, a period of time elapsed from the time you heard the noise and you went downstairs. Yeah. What caused you to go downstairs? >> I assume Jeremy was awake shooting out the window. >> Okay. >> So, if he was awake, then I was going to go downstairs cuz he was awake and I was awake. >> And was that a practice that you guys engaged in frequently? >> What's that? >> Shooting out the window. >> Yes. >> Okay. And what typically would you shoot at? >> Coyotes, raccoons, groundhogs. >> Okay. And that late at night, you weren't concerned about I'm assuming this p this is something you had done previously, correct? >> Many times. >> Okay. And do you have any idea what time of the morning it was when you heard that noise? >> No. >> Okay. But it was you can please don't me put words in your mouth, but as I understand what you're relating to me now, it would have been during the hours of darkness when most people are sleeping. Correct. >> Yeah. Early morning. And wouldn't that be something that would alert neighbors or concern neighbors or annoy neighbors if you were shooting out the window at that time? >> We lived in a rural area. >> Okay. But then you have neighbor right across the street. >> Yeah. >> And I mean towards the back of the house. So >> within about 100 yards on either side of the house, correct? >> She's not going to speculate >> as to what a neighbor could hear or not hear. So I don't think that's a fair question. Julene's lawyer may not think it's a fair question, but I'll answer it anyway. As someone who lives in an even more rural area than she does, her neighbors would be able to hear her. And you know what? They'd be pretty ticked off. And not in a Karen way, just in a common sense way. Because if you're going to be waking your neighbors up at 3:00 a.m., it better be because their house is on fire. Though, while we're talking about Karens, why don't we take a look at this little clip? So, if you would, would you indicate for me by circling with the pen what window you typically shot out of? >> I don't really think this is north, but that's okay. >> This is your bedroom here. And this is the hallway leading to the bedroom. >> Then it would have been What do you want me to do here? >> I want you to circle. >> Sorry, but she said something about you think north is incorrect. >> The lake is over here. So, this this would be >> She thinks the orientation of the chart is off. >> This would be east. This would be west. >> Your house >> face the lake. >> Okay. >> So, it's I mean, yeah, maybe like that. But anyways, to me, that's >> okay. >> That's north. Um, this window. Circle it. You said >> Yeah, if you'd circle the window and that Okay. >> All right. There's no window there. >> Oh, sorry. That's a >> That's the window dresser. >> Okay. >> You want me to exit? >> Okay. So, that would be >> a window here. Window here. That's a window right there. This window. >> So, it be that window. Okay. >> All right. >> Maybe figure out what a window looks like before correcting police on what direction is north to you. But Julene is a bit too busy digging herself a deeper hole. >> So, you walked into the bedroom. What's the next thing you do? >> Um, I went over to the side as he was facing this way. >> Okay. You went over to to what would you you've referred to as your side of the bed. >> Is that correct? Okay. All right. I just want to make sure we're clear here. I don't want any misunderstanding. Okay. And what happened next? >> Um, I went to to wake him up. >> Okay. And how did you try to wake him up? >> I don't really remember. I mean, to be honest, I just, you know, went to touch him to wake him up. >> Do you remember where you touched him at? >> I don't have any idea. >> Did you say anything to him? I mean, I'm sure I was, you know, saying something. I don't I don't know what I said, if I said anything. >> All right. So, you try to wake him up and what happens next? >> Um, I felt that there was like the blood or whatever in the bed. >> What did you think that was? >> I had no idea. >> Okay. >> But at that point, I felt, you know, like something obviously wasn't right. >> Okay. Let's let's back up a little bit. Okay. What specifically made you think something wasn't right? What exactly did you feel? Describe what you felt? >> Cuz it's still dark at this time, right? >> Yeah, it's dark. Okay, it's dark. >> I mean, it's somewhat dark. It wasn't completely dark in the bedroom. >> Okay. Were there any lights on in the bedroom? >> Um, there was a I think only light was from the like a clock light. >> Okay. All right. So what exactly as best you can recall when you tried to wake him up did you experience that made you feel something was wrong? >> He wasn't responding to me. >> Okay. >> And then I felt something wet and then almost immediately heard noise. >> Okay. >> Out in the hallway that I you know somewhere I don't know where it was coming from. I heard noise and it >> Okay. >> All right. You heard a noise. What kind of noise did you hear? >> I have no idea what it was. Whether it was somebody something falling or somebody moving, there was a definite sound of something. >> And what area? >> Outside of the bedroom. >> Outside of the bedroom. Can you tell? Same floor up above you? >> I assumed it was out in the hallway. That's what it sounded like to me. I mean, it was close. >> Okay. And what did you do then? >> Um, I grabbed the gun. >> Where did you grab the gun from? >> Out of my dresser. >> Okay. Where was it at? In your dresser. >> In the drawer. >> Okay. Is that normally where that gun is at? >> Either or. I mean, sometimes it was in his dresser, sometimes it was in mine. We'd been cleaning and >> Okay. >> stuff was moved around. So, >> okay. When you when were you cleaning? >> The days before. >> Okay. >> We were planning on having somebody come to um what do you call that? Upra the house. >> Okay. You've got the safety off. What is your next action? >> I shot towards the doorway. >> Okay. like out of the doorway. >> And what were you shooting at? >> I was just shooting cuz I heard noise out there. >> So my reaction was just to shoot. I don't know who's out there. There's nobody else in the house. It's Jeremy and I. There should be nobody else in that house. >> Okay. All right. And why did you shoot two shots? >> I don't remember how many shots >> that I shot. >> Okay. >> You're saying I shot two? >> All right. How many do you think you shot? >> I I have no idea. I know I shot the gun. Okay. You shot it more than once, right? >> Yes. I I believe so. >> Okay. Well, >> I remember shooting the gun how many times? I don't remember. >> Okay. What were you aiming at when you shot? >> I was just aiming where I heard the noise out. >> Okay. >> Out towards the hallway. >> And what kind of rapid succession were you shooting the gun? >> Did you shoot, wait a second, shoot again, wait a second? I mean, how how did you do that? >> I imagine I probably just shot. I don't really remember what. >> Okay. >> I mean, it all happened really quickly. I don't remember how quickly I shot. Imagine they >> If you say I shot two times, then I imagine I shot two times pretty quickly. >> Okay. >> I don't think I shot and waited to see what was going to happen. >> All right. What hand did you shoot hold the gun with? >> I'm right-handed. >> You're right-handed. Okay. Did you take a one-handed stance or two-handed stance? >> I really don't remember. You don't remember how you shot the gun? >> No, I don't really remember. I mean, I remember having the gun in my hand. I probably held it with two hands. That's how I would normally hold a gun. >> Okay. You've done shooting before, correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Now, what do you do from that point? What's the next thing you did? >> I think what I did next was I ran over and shut the bedroom door and locked it. >> Okay. And then what did you do? >> And then I went back to the bed. >> Okay. And then what did you do? Um, I think I rolled Jeremy over. I know there was a lot of blood. Um, I think I put a towel like on his head where it was bleeding. >> Okay. >> Um, I looked for a phone to call >> and the phone was usually I mean I think the charger was probably over here somewhere >> and I >> didn't see the phones and his phone was on the on his dresser. So I used that phone. >> Okay. >> To call the operator. >> Okay. And at any time prior to this, had you turned on an interior light? >> At some point when I was in the bed, I turned on the light. >> Where's the light switch at there? >> It was like directly over the towards the foot of the bed. There was the light switch is on the wall, but we just used the pool thing. >> Okay. So, you just reached up while you're on the bed and turned on the light. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And is that how you turn the light off at night? You just reach up and use the pull chain. >> Mhm. >> Okay. All right. So, from the time you called 911, how much time elapsed before you got on the bed? Or did you get on the bed first and then come back and call 911? >> Okay. You took the phone with you? >> No. >> Okay. I came and got onto the bed and went to Jeremy >> and I have no idea how much time elapsed and I looked for the phone at some point which I believe the charger was over here and the phone wasn't there >> but his phone was on the dresser >> so I grabbed his cell phone >> and called why I was in the bed with him. >> All right, just so I have this clear in my head. You have shot the gun two or more times. Okay. You don't know what you've done with the gun or you think you took it to the bed with you? >> I'm sure I took it to the bed. >> I don't know if I sat it down or took it in the bed, but I had it with me. >> Okay. So, let's go right to the point. You've fired the shots. You're on the bed. What's the next thing you do? >> I was checking on Jeremy in the bed. >> Okay. In the dark or in the light? >> At some point, I turned the light on. >> Okay. >> I probably turned it on fairly quickly to see what was going on. And what did you determine after you turned What did you see when you turned on the light? >> I saw him laying there and there was blood everywhere. >> Mhm. So now you're calling the 911 operator. Correct. Okay. What transpired during that period of time? What did you do? >> Um I remember pulling him off the bed as she instructed me to do to get him off. >> And how did you do that? >> I I don't know how I grabbed him. I grabbed him and pulled him off the bed over to here. >> Okay. All right. Did you set the phone down when you're doing that? Were you holding the phone? Do you have a I mean, how what were you doing at that time? >> I don't remember what where the phone was. >> Okay. >> I was I remember being on the phone. I don't know if I set it down or if I was holding it and doing it. >> All right. So, you set him on the floor, correct? >> Yeah. >> How much long How much time it lasts from the time you called 911 and you decided to move him onto the floor? >> I did it when she told me to. >> Okay. All right. And what did you do then? >> Um, I was holding a towel behind his head. >> Okay. >> And um, I did do CPR some, you know, she was instructing me on the phone. >> Did, again, I'm not trying to be insensitive here, but did it appear to you at that time that he was deceased? >> I thought I could see his neck moving, >> but um, I mean, I don't know if I was thinking that or not. Okay. Uh, was there a point prior to the arrival of the police that you believed he was deceased? >> I wasn't sure. >> Well, I understand you weren't sure. Was there a point that you thought he's gone? >> I don't really know. I mean, what I was thinking at that point. >> Okay. All right. So, you're doing 911 in conjunction with what the operator's telling you. What happens next? Um, it was a while before the police got there. >> Mhm. >> I remember hearing I I I don't really recall everything, but I I remember hearing them um asking to come into the bedroom. >> Mhm. >> They were outside the door and the door was locked. >> Okay. And what point did you open at before they got there or while? >> No, I opened it after they were must have been at the door cuz I heard them there. >> And what's the mechanism for locking that door? I think it was a little >> There were dozens of concerning things that lead investigators noted about the scene. For starters, there were almost no lights turned on in the house. In addition, none of the couple's extensive alarms, which went off if anyone opened any of the doors, windows, or even entered the driveway had gone off. Their four dogs, who were known by neighbors to bark if they so much as heard a leaf move, hadn't let out a peep that night. But it wasn't just the scene that was odd. It was what happened after. Because a few days after Jeremy's murder, Julene called police, stating that someone had broken into her home and attempted to crack open her safe. But there was something odd about the alleged break-in shortly after this event happened. Uh I believe by the police report, it says that I think they secured the scene and handed the keys off uh I think 6 p.m. on Friday. And um I don't Did you get those keys, Jack? I don't really remember who got the keys. >> We must I think we might and I might have picked them up right before we met you there. >> Probably. >> Okay. >> I think you picked them up at the Vermillion Police Department. >> All right. So, at 6:00 p.m. Friday, the police department have essentially concluded their crime scene processing of the of the house. So, when is the next time that you're at the house? whether whatever day we were there together was the >> I don't remember if that was the first time there I don't really remember I don't remember >> you don't remember the first day you were there okay when was the first time you went to the house and you thought that something was a miss following the shooting >> she's not going to answer any questions regarding anything other than this investigation because we haven't been provided with information those other investigations and so I'm not going to have answer questions about things that we haven't been provided information on. >> Okay. And Jack, I will tell you that everything I'm asking here was in the reports that we gave you. I mean, you know, I understand and respect what you're saying, but I'm not >> It really doesn't have anything to do with uh Jeremy Simco and his death. And so, she's not going to answer any questions about that. That was not the ground rules today. I said we'd have her come in here and answer questions regarding Jeremy's death. She's going to She's doing that. >> Okay. You understand from our perspective that's tied into the homicide. So we're we're looking at all angles. We're not taking anything off the table. I just want you to understand where we're coming from. >> Have you investigated that at all? Have the police? >> Sure. Yes. That's been looked into. Yes. In a number of different areas. >> Okay. All right. So there's no questions regarding the breakins that you're going to answer, right? >> No. Okay. When a forensic team looked at the safe, they determined that the scratches and dents that had been inflicted on the safe to make it look like it had been forced open would have actually only been able to have been inflicted if the safe was open at the time. Meaning essentially someone staged a safe break-in poorly. And this was just the beginning of the inconsistencies. We >> have some issues with regard to a number of inconsistencies that have come up during the period of this investigation. And I understand that there's trauma involved here, that it's a difficult time, but we're left with uh a feeling that we don't have the complete story. Uh and if we did, we probably would have been beyond this point today. Okay? You can you understand what I'm saying? All right. So before we get into the inconsistencies, is there anything about this incident that you haven't told us that you would like to tell us? >> No. >> Okay. >> Anything you Okay. Anything you think we've missed? >> As in >> any questions that you think I should have asked you that I didn't ask you. >> She would she she's not going to speculate as to what you should have asked her. That's your job. She's She's just going to answer. Whatever questions you ask her that are proper questions, she will answer. >> I have a couple about the gun if you want. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Um Julene, when you fired the gun in the bedroom, did you use one or two hands? >> I don't remember what I used. >> Okay. Normally when you when you shoot, do you >> I didn't shoot that gun very often. I probably used two hands. >> Okay. Um just based on what you're you're telling us um you um take the gun with you to the bed and prior to taking your gun with you when you checked Jeremy you also felt something wet. I'm assuming that was blood. Okay. After you shoot, you go to the bed and you take the gun with you. And as you indicated, there was blood everywhere. Did you wipe that gun off in any way? And the reason I ask you that is because there wasn't any blood on that weapon that you fired. I'm assuming that had you had it on your hands or in the bed, there would have been some blood on there. And I didn't know if you had wiped the gun off in any way. >> I I don't remember wiping it. >> Okay. >> I don't know why I would have wiped the gun off. >> I I Any idea why there was no blood on the weapon? >> Okay. Um there was uh some time between uh when you heard the noise um and you grabbed the gun, you went to the clock, you moved to the end of the bed, and then you shot several times. Okay. Um, at that time, and you've probably had time to think about this, if there was somebody in the house, how he got out or what how long it took him to get out. The revolver that was used um was found on the kitchen floor. Okay. The revolver had no blood on it either. Uh the revolver was used a couple of inches away from Jeremy when it was fired. So there would have been a significant amount of blowback on that weapon. Uh but when the gun was found, there was no blood on it and I was just Was there enough time that someone could have wiped that off? >> I have no idea. >> Okay. >> What someone might have done? >> Okay. Normally, you had indicated that normally when Jeremy um hooked the dogs up, he would lock the doors. I think in a previous statement, you had indicated to the police that that this was something that he normally did. So, when he went out to hook up the dogs, he normally came in and he would lock all the doors. That was kind of like >> he was the last one. Yeah. >> Yeah. There was no fingerprints of Jeremy found on the door to the kitchen. And I no DNA that would have indicated that he would have touched that door. I'm just >> Well, he would have touched the door. That was the only door we used in the house. >> I know. And I didn't know whether or not, you know, I don't know how that would have occurred either. I'm just >> Your guess is as good as mine. You guys are the experts. >> Yeah. Well, we'll figure it out. Unfortunately for Julene, police have already figured it out because she wasn't particularly subtle about her involvement in the case. >> The the gun that was used to kill Jeremy, the 357, the one that you guys used at the range for qualification, um where was that normally kept? >> Normally? >> Yes. >> I don't know about normally. I believe that that gun was in our china cabinet. >> Okay. >> At that time. >> All right. Was that a usual place to keep it? >> Sometimes. >> Sometimes it would be in there. Sometimes not. >> All right. Is there any reason that you can think of that a DNA swab of the curio cabinet would only have your DNA on it? >> Absolutely not. Nor can I say why the back door would only it would not have Jeremy's DNA since that was the door that everybody used to get into the house. Okay, >> I find that to be very strange. >> Okay, let me set out how this appears. Okay, and I think you can understand why we have some questions. We might want to get into that a little bit further. By all accounts, in interviewing Jere and interviewing people that knew you and Jeremy, they described you both as a security conscious couple. Okay. You had an alarm system on your house and even though the alarm was not being monitored by an alarm company, uh when the bottom room doors would open, the chime would sound. You had the driveway alarm, which I understand was probably more to stop people from getting bit by the dogs so you could get out to the dogs. Is is that an accurate assumption >> about the driveway alarm? >> Yeah. Why do you have the driveway alarm? >> Because sometimes you wouldn't hear people coming in. >> Okay. So would you agree with the assertion that others have made that you are a security conscious couple? >> Mhm. >> Okay. So we have a security conscious couple in a very low crime rate area. >> I would not call it low crime rate. By the way, our property had been broken into several times. The neighbors had stuff stolen. This was not the only incident in the neighborhood. Nationally speaking, nationally speaking, if we look at the the Vermillion, Vermillion Township, that area, um, compare it to the, uh, uniform crime reports that the FBI establishes, um, it's it's very low crime and the crime they do have tends not to be violent crime. Okay? U, prior to this incident, subsequent to this incident, there's never been a homicide committed in the manner that was happened in your home. Okay? In that area. Okay? So we have a security conscious couple. >> Wasn't there some guy that was found like right down the road? And you say it's a low crime area. There was somebody that was found murdered in a field. >> So for being a low low crime area >> statistically it's a low crime area. Okay. >> She she doesn't agree with you from what I experienced. >> Julene can tote her experience all she wants, but she wasn't living on Skid Row. She was living in a town with a crime rate nearly three times lower than Ohio's average. For every 1,000 people in Vermillion, only two and a half experience property crime. For violent crime, only.19 out of a thousand people. So yeah, regardless of what she says and regardless of the semantics she wants to argue, she was in a low crime area. Well, except when you consider her house, that is. So, um, we'll agree to disagree on whether or not it's a low crime rate area. Okay. Uh, but we have a security conscious couple. There's only the two of you in the house. You go to bed that night. You have dogs that bark all around your property. You have an alarm system in your driveway. >> You have an alarm system on your house. And I understand it's not being monitored by an alarm. >> It's not even on. We hadn't used that to be clear. >> Okay. Do you understand it was working when BCI >> the chimes were working? That I that had not been turned on for a long time. >> Okay. >> The actual >> When you say the chimes are working, what do you mean? >> I mean when you open the back door or the side door or the basement door, it would like give a chime, >> right? But it wasn't sending an alarm to any place. Just >> So the security system was not >> sure just the chimes. >> Like there were motion detectors in the house. Those were not on. >> Okay. But the chimes on the doors would sound. Yeah. >> And it's only those four first floor doors, right? >> You didn't have any. Did you have any windows hooked up? >> No. There was a front door, side door, back door, and basement door, I believe, were all hooked into the chimes. >> And that chime's like a three-tonone chime or something like that. Your driveway alarm's kind of a long annoying blare. Okay. All right. So, I've got that right. Okay. >> So, follow me here if you will. It's the hours of darkness. It's cool weather. We have a security conscious couple that has camera systems, an alarm, and four to the outward observer would look like security dogs surrounding the house. Your husband locks up the door. >> You go to bed. >> He locked up the door. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Well, is there any is there any reason to believe that the door would not be locked if that's the general habit? Okay. All right. So, we can agree that normally the doors were locked and there's no reason to have this door not locked, right? Okay. For whatever reason, we have a couple that has a very active life by your own admission previous statements. You don't engage in anyations that night. Yet, there are marital accutrants out and ready and and present in the bedroom. And look, you there's no judgment here. I we're just trying to recall facts. Okay? For whatever reason, you remove yourself from the bedroom. >> By the way, when I said I just want to make this clear, it's not like we every night, okay? It wasn't like it was three times a week. I mean, I wasn't counting. We did often. >> I'm just relying on pre I'm relying on statements you made on previous interview. >> I'm just letting you know. >> No, no, no. Please, please tell me. I mean, on like there was anything going on that caused us to not We just didn't. >> Okay. All right. But it was, let me I want to be fair to you. Is it more common for you to relationship when you go to bed at night or is it more uncommon for you not to? >> It wasn't always at night. >> Okay. Dur during that day, no time on the 17th did you engage in relations. Correct. Okay. And that fall that was typical or atypical? >> It was nothing different about that than >> I mean Okay. It just didn't. That's all. >> All right. So, we're left with the officers get there. They check the residence. There is no forced entry into the residence. >> None whatsoever. >> How did they get in? >> The back door was open. The screen door was closed. The back door was open. The 357 that was used >> because I remember them saying something about asking to like knock down the door or something or gain entry. Who who who did that? >> I thought I remember either I read it somewhere or I remember hearing it on the phone that they had asked if they could like I think the 911 operator asked me if they could come into the house the police and of course they said yes. >> And then then the 911 operator asked you if they had permission to break in the door. >> I thought that's what I remember. >> Okay. >> Hearing. >> All right. So the officers get there and they did in fact try to get in through the front door which was secured and they they kicked it several times and could not gain entry. Okay. And they came around to the back by the kitchen and the screen door is closed. The other door is open. They find the 357 that was used to shoot Jeremy laying on the floor. Okay. Uh it has six rounds in it. Five are live. One has been expended. Okay. the round that shot Jeremy. They come into the house and as you know they come upstairs they find you. So we have a couple both of them went to bed. Okay. There's no forced entry into the home. No alarms went off. No driveway alarm. No we all the neighbors are canvas. Nobody heard any barking dogs. And we're left with two people in the house. One is dead. One is not. Typically, that lends itself to making you the prime suspect. I mean, you can see where I'm coming from here, correct? Okay. Agree with me or not agree with me. I mean, can you see at least the logic of where I'm coming from? >> Things are undeniably stacking up here. Julene and Jeremy's obsession with security was so extensive that even their neighbors had noticed partially because they sometimes set off the alarms themselves. The alarm at the end of their driveway, in particular, would go off if anyone stepped foot in their driveway while it was engaged. Between that and the dogs, their home was a fortress. And while they weren't protecting money, it seems as though they were protecting their privacy because the things they were doing inside the home were, well, a little 50 shades, if you catch my drift. >> Okay. All right. Now, we add to that some other issues. [Music] Is this your writing? >> Mhm. >> Okay. You had what could at best be described, and I'm very sorry to bring it up, but but I think it bears mentioning here. A a very traumatic event happened to you when you were a child, your father. Correct. >> Okay. And that happened for a period of years. Correct. Okay. And are you familiar with this document that I have here? >> Um, without reading the whole thing, >> I'm in no rush. You can take your time and read the whole thing. >> Um, yeah. >> Okay. And whose whose writing is this here? >> Jeremy's. >> That's Jeremy's. Okay. And then I think it's the last four pages of this. It is your writing. Correct. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And this has been referred to by investigators as pertaining to the document agreement andor agreement. And are you familiar with this, Jack? >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. And would you agree with me that this is somewhat atypical behavior? It's not normal. >> I don't know what other relationships people carry on. So, >> okay. >> All right. How long into the relationship did you guys have what you would call uh relationship? >> I mean, is this something that started right away or >> I don't really remember like at what point? >> I mean, is this something that is years old or is this something that is months old? >> I would I have no idea when when when we put that together. >> Okay. You don't have any idea. You don't remember if it was five years ago or seven years ago or two years ago. >> I don't really I mean >> Okay. >> It wasn't something that like we just did. >> Okay. >> I think it was something that we probably had for a while. >> Who introduced this into the relationship? >> We both did. >> Okay. Was there a nexus for this? Was there somebody that had the original idea that said, "Hey, you know, why don't we do this?" >> I don't really remember. It was a mutual. >> Where did you get the wording for this at? >> I have no idea. >> Okay. >> Was this ceremony? Did you ever conduct this? >> It was never a ceremony. It was just >> role playing kind of. >> Okay. All right. Would you agree that this paints a pretty doineering picture of your husband? >> He was a dominant guy. >> Okay. And you were comfortable in that relationship. >> Mhm. >> Okay. You didn't mind being subservient to him. >> This was to the point >> this was only role playing. >> It was only role playing. >> For your information, just so you know, it wasn't like in a daily relationship. It was like this. This was just role playing like in the bedroom. It wasn't like we went out into the world with this. >> There was none of that that you were ever forced to do. >> No. >> Okay. All right. You can understand, I think, why we might ask you those questions given the circumstances we have here. >> Sadly, Julene was a victim of her father who was sentenced to a long prison term for his offenses against her. From the day he was sentenced, she never spoke to her father again until she stood by his bedside as he died. Unfortunately, in a very very different way, Julene and Jeremy had a contract wherein she was essentially of her husband. Now, we aren't here to kink shame, but there are elements of the contract that are well, as icky as they are illegal. >> Clearly, it was a horrific thing that was done to you by your father. It's horrific. Inexcusable. Okay. I'm sure you're aware that during the course of the investigation uh subsequent to the search warrants that we seized the computer equipment and that computer equipment was examined. When we talk about there are a number of issues that arise such as I've laid out for you already that would tend to make you the prime suspect. Okay. 11 hours before your husband is found dead, someone is on the computer in your house pulling up your father's obituary. Now, why would that be? And who would do that? >> Well, first of all, I would like to see that proof of that because I don't think that ever happened. >> Well, we have that proof. >> Well, I'd like to see it. I'd like to see what time it was and everything else. >> Oh, we can tell you exactly. It happened at 1857 and 03 seconds on July 17, 2009. And if you go to this euro, this website, you'll pull up exactly this obituary. >> You said July 17th. >> No, no, no, no. Uh, November. I may have said July. November 17th. It's 11 hours before the homicide was called in. Can we see what was access before and after? Sure. >> What I mean, what is this? That doesn't tell us anything. >> This looks as though >> Julian, I can assure you there's no trick here. a computer expert was willing to testify that that is exactly what that is. >> Well, first of all, did you access this? >> No. Okay. >> I didn't access it, but I am curious about >> Yeah, we just want to see who was maybe on the computer. You can you tell Michael? >> Well, somebody searched looks as though somebody searched Jeremy Simco. Looks like someone >> at >> searched Julene Nick Julene Simco. Somebody so somebody searched Jeremy Simco at the same time. Then somebody searched this article. Somebody searched Julene Nick. Now who's Julene Nick? That's you. >> That's my Yeah. Made a name. >> So somebody searched you. >> Somebody searched Julene Simco. >> Somebody searched Julian Simco. >> Somebody searched Judy. >> Judy mom. >> All right. Getting back to the point again. You see that adds to our sense of concern about only two people in the house. 11 hours before he's found deceased. >> What time would that be? What is 18? Is that >> 18 6:00? >> It was 3 minutes till 7:00 p.m. Okay. That search is conducted at 6 I think it's 6:06 a.m. You make a call to 911. So roughly 11 hours before your husband is shot, a person that you have a relationship, role play, as you say, someone pulls up the obituary of the very person that uh had a fatherdaughter relationship with you. That makes one wonder if there is a nexus here or or a tie in uh with this. I mean, you can understand how we might be concerned about that. >> I can understand. I'm telling you, I am not the one that >> Okay. >> Is there any reason Jeremy would have done that? I >> have no idea. >> Does anybody ever come in your home and use your computers? >> Mhm. >> Who does that? >> We've had friends use the computers before. >> Okay. And did anybody come in your home and use computers at 7:00 that night? >> Okay. So, >> I think it was just two of us there on >> Okay. All right. So, nobody could have done that search except one of you two that night, correct? >> Mhm. >> Okay. All right. We get to the 911 call. Okay. You call the 911 operator. >> She asked you at one point, "Did he shoot himself?" And you answer no. How did you know that? That he did not shoot himself >> because he wouldn't shoot himself. >> How did you know? It >> was my husband. >> Okay. >> You usually know these things. >> Okay. Mm-m. >> The operator asked you, "Is there an intruder in the house?" And you say, "Yes." How did you know there was an intruder in the house? >> The same reason I shot the gun. >> Obviously, I didn't shoot Jeremy. I didn't kill my husband. So, obviously, somebody else was in the house. >> Okay? >> And they weren't there for any good purposes. >> Okay? If we get back to the inconsistencies that that we see in this case, all right, we see that you make that immediate statement to 911. He didn't shoot himself, but if you weren't present at the shooting, how would you know that? You say there's an intruder in the house. Yeah. Yeah. You heard a noise is all you heard. Let's go to the kitchen where the gun was found. Okay. We find the gun. First of all, in any shooting like that, have you ever shot into a mud hole or anything like that or shot into the water, shot close to a tree? You ever done any of those things? >> If you have, you'll you'll notice that you get splashback or blowback onto the weapon. Okay. Um, so someone took the time in between the time Jeremy was shot to clean that weapon of any blowback. Here's the really interesting thing. If we assume your theory that there is an intruder in the home, don't you think the intruder would be in a hurry to leave if he heard the shots that you fired? >> I would say yeah. >> Okay. But yet this intruder who gained access to the house without setting off the door alarm, without being caught on the camera, without setting off any of the the driveway alarm, without making any of the dogs bark, without being noticed by any outside sources, without forcing entry into the home, has made his way into a darkened home, has found a gun on a curio cabinet that bears only your DNA, removes a gun from a holster, goes upstairs to the room, room where you and Jeremy typically sleep together. That person has to lean across the bed, get within 2 in of Jeremy's head, pull the trigger, shooting him in the back of the head, taking his life instantaneously, then follow me here, please. Then >> in the back of the head. >> Yes, he was shot in the back of the head. Okay, so follow me now. You can see why we have some the concerns we have. That person then has to leave there, decides not to search for you at all, isn't worried about you, even though they're armed with a gun. Goes downstairs, ostensibly knocks over a chair, but the chair is knocked over in such a manner that the robe is laying underneath it, so it wouldn't have made much noise. It would have been a cushion fall. takes the time to clean all the blowback off that gun, which is a considerable amount of time, and then doesn't drop it on the floor because we had BCI check for that. He lays the gun on the floor. There was no damage to the floor from the gun. There is no gun damage to the gun from the floor. He So, he lays the gun on the floor. Then again, mysteriously exits the the residence through the open back kitchen door. again. Doesn't set off the driveway alarm. Doesn't set off the dog's barking barking. >> And you're assuming how all this happened because you don't know. Nor do I know >> what transpired. >> You're assuming somebody went out the back door. You're assuming >> there every other door was secured. I'm only No, I'll tell you exactly what I'm doing. I am going where the evidence leads me. >> I wasn't there. You were there. I'm only taking I'm only going where the evidence in this case leads me, too. But >> but I'm going where the evidence leads. >> I mean, if there's something that we've missed in the evidence, heaven, help us. We want to know that. We want to That's why I said at the very beginning of this, it's important for us to get to the truth on this. We need your help with this. We want to try to solve this. But right now, you have to Is there any way that you don't think we would have to consider you as the prime suspect? We were hoping that you would come in here today and really enlighten us with something, but thus far all I have is more inconsistencies. >> We want we want to help you get resolution here. That's the point of this. >> What other suspects have you looked at? If you want to get resolution, >> we're not going to discuss other >> people been looked at. Have you investigated this any further? >> We have investigated every avenue that's come up has been investigated. Every avenue everything here is this case. everything. Those are all reports related to this case. >> Did you also look into the breakins that happened? Because there were a number of things with footprints and stuff that were never resolved and a fingerprint that I remember hearing the detective talk about. Whatever became of that, >> Julene, everything was looked at. Everything. >> And you came up with nothing. >> What have we come up with on this case? What have we come up with the homicide? Where does the If you're a reasonable person, where does the evidence point in this case? I'm asking you, put yourself in my shoes. >> She's not going to answer that question. I mean, I know what you I know what you want her to answer, but she's already told you that she came in here to assist you. If you ask her a question, that might be something that she could assist you with. I think she's tried to answer every question. And I mean, I don't care if you have everything in the world laid out on top of this table. It doesn't mean that she killed her husband. She's trying to help you with this investigation, but once it starts getting accusatory, then we're going to have to stop the interview. So, if you have some more questions you'd like to ask her, she's willing to answer those. If you're going to try to accuse her or have her tell you, yes, I did this, you're not going to get the answer you want. So, that's You got more questions? If no, then we'll we'll call it a day. >> Yeah, sure. >> Yeah, we have a few more. Okay. Yeah, there was we have statements indicating that that you maintained a large bowl of percoet and Vicodin. >> A what? >> In your house. >> A what >> medication? Perco and Vicodin in a large bowl. And that statements were that that you and Jeremy had offered this >> like I said to the I would like to see who these statements are. >> So you're denying it. That's all I want wanted to know one way or another. >> The um >> right, where's this bullet? There are also statements indicating that um you had told somebody that you and Jeremy had an argument prior to going to bed that night. >> No, >> I just wanted to make sure that that >> we did not have an argument. >> Okay. All right. There was also a statement indicating that you had indicated that you sometime during the night you had walked down for a glass of water. >> No. >> Okay. >> I never said that. >> And then heard some a noise in the house. >> No. >> Okay. Um the um in your previous statements um you had indicated that you had brought a weapon from down from upstairs down to the bedroom. So that statement was wrong. >> I didn't state that. That never happened. >> Well, it was that was >> maybe it was misinterpret misinterpreted that didn't happen. >> Okay. Um, also you indicated in a previous statement that the automatic weapon that you took from the nightstand was uh actually in his nightstand, not yours. You indicated that's where it always was >> when I What are you asking me? >> In a previous statement, you indicated when you went to get the automatic weapon that it was in his nightstand. >> No, it was on my nightstand. >> You indicated after that that that's where it always was. Well, a lot of times I probably said I don't know what I said. It it definitely got it from my nightstand. >> It's it's very I I guess there's a lot of ironyies here, but for example, in the sleeping pills that he took, you had indicated in a previous statement that he had taken sleeping pills for a long period of time and almost got basically addicted to it and then he laid off of it because he was addicted to it. on this particular night that um >> I stated that. >> Yes. >> To who? >> To the police. >> Okay. >> Um on this particular um night, it just seemed to be coincidental that the night he got killed, he happened to start taking sleeping pills at that time. >> I wouldn't say he just up and started taking them. >> Well, that's what you said. I'm I'm not putting words in your mind. I just That's just >> I don't recall saying anything like that. I mean, >> yeah. I mean, I just >> It's frequent for him to take pills. Okay. >> So, >> okay. Um, >> it it was not out of the ordinary >> if he didn't take those sleeping pills >> or to drink a lot of times he would drink Nightquil. >> Okay. >> To sleep. >> Okay. But on this occasion, he took sleeping pills from your statement. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, if he hadn't taken the sleeping pills, um, and he would have woke up when someone was entering the room and he would have reached for the automatic weapon, he wouldn't have found it in his nightstand because it was moved to your nightstand. >> It didn't matter which nightstand it was in. I mean, >> if it was in I mean, >> I don't know how they want me to answer this. Well, >> it was either in mine or his, so it would have been there. >> But wasn't it always kept in his nightstand? >> Isn't that what you said? >> Always kept in his. Sometimes it was kept in mine. >> Oh, because that's that's not a previous statement. You said it was always kept in his. But when you were cleaning, you went into the drawer and there were a lot of papers in there. So, you moved the gun into your nightstand. Is does that >> sound right? Do you remember what kind of papers that were in the drawer? >> No idea. >> Okay. All right. Had he had he woken up though, because the gun was always kept in his nightstand, he would have found no weapon had he tried to reach for it. It's just It also seems pretty coincidental on the one night you indicated in a previous statement that you rarely slept upstairs. But on this particular night, you slept upstairs the same night he got killed. So we have this on this particular occasion, we have him taking sleeping pills for the first time in a while. We have him you going upstairs to sleep, which you rarely do, and you have his automatic weapon, which is no longer in his nightstand, but in yours. I mean, I just find that coincidental. If any one of those circumstances didn't exist, things may have been different. I don't know. I mean, I just You have any explanation for any of that? I mean, no. Julene wants so desperately to place the blame on everyone else, but in reality, she's the one who told police about the sleeping pills in her 2009 interrogation. And she's the one who made repeated statements to friends and anyone who would listen that she and Jeremy had been fighting. And they had a lot to fight about because as police eventually discovered at the time of Jeremy's murder, both he and Julene were working together to evade taxes by operating two separate financial record books. So, I mean, I know there's a lot of you think it's a lot of coincidences, but maybe it's not a lot of coincidences. >> Well, I'm just going by her previous statement, Jack. >> I understand that, but I'm just telling you, if you have a question, ask her a question. >> I understand. >> She can't answer. You know, don't you think that's a coincidence? That's really not a question. That's really an accusation. Like, look, it we got A plus B, so it must be C. She can't answer the A plus B equals C, but she can maybe give you an answer to a question. >> That's that's kind of what I brought her here for, to answer questions, but not >> to give explanations as to, well, it must be you. And if you can't tell us who it was that killed your husband, then it must be you because of all these coincidences. >> I understand. >> She can't answer that question. >> I understand. So, uh, you know, I I I I believe that her statements are not inconsistent, and I think they're very consistent, >> says her lawyer, who she is literally paying to maintain her innocence. >> Julene, do you recall when you were in the emergency room at Community Hospital when the emergency room asked you what happened, uh, you saying, "I shot my husband?" >> No, I didn't say that cuz I didn't shoot my husband. >> Okay. You're emphatically saying you never made that statement. >> Okay. >> Do you recall telling an acquaintance of yours that Jeremy knows who shot him? >> No. I mean, I don't recall and I don't know who you're talking about if you don't tell me or the conversation. >> It was a friend of yours. You know, they'll come. I'm sure if there's a trial, it'll come out at trial. And if it doesn't, if if we we find something else, I'm I'm not I don't want to throw her or him under the bus. And that's why we're being a little vague on that. I can tell you it's not something we're making up. It's something that we have recorded. >> Say again. >> I I don't know who that is. >> Okay. Did you ever do you recall ever It's very simple. Do you recall ever telling anyone that Jeremy knows who shot him? >> No. >> Do you know if Jeremy knows who shot him? >> No. >> Okay. All right. Do you recall at the wake telling friends of Jeremy's, "I wish I could tell you what really happened." >> I don't recall saying that. >> Okay. Do you think you made that statement? >> Okay. I very much thank you for coming in. Do you have any questions of me? >> A lot of questions. I'm sure they won't be answered. So, >> probably not this venue. >> No. >> Okay. I very much thank you again for coming in. >> Julene managed to escape justice until 2017 when finally 8 years after her husband's murder. A bench trial found her guilty on one count of aggravated murder, two counts of murder, two counts of felonious assault, one count of tampering with evidence. In total, Julene landed herself 28 years to life behind bars. Thank you for watching today's video. Whether you're new here or have been with us for a while, check out one of the craziest cases I've ever covered right here or one of my newest uploads right here.