just kind of standing there staring at like Katie's nasty, dirty, disgusting body cuz they didn't even wipe her out. >> What you are watching right now is 28-year-old John Blowt, an ex-military recruiter trashalking his own dead wife. A wife that John killed all because he fell in love with a 17-year-old girl. >> Look at her. She's right here. >> Want to look at her? >> That's your friend. >> Well, yeah. Me and Hannah were dating. >> I don't want to do this anymore. >> Don't want to do what? want to help us find out who killed her. >> Over the course of 6 years, these two thought they could live the perfect fairy tale after Katie's murder, ruining several lives and fleeing across the country, leaving chaos in their wake. But in the interrogation we have for you today, it all comes crumbling down. >> I lost a friend. Maybe not the best wife, but I lost a friend. I don't give a I can get over this. I'm just going to ask you point blank. Okay. October 24th, 2016 was nothing short of a nightmare for Katherine Anne Biter's family. The 22-year-old had seemingly vanished from her job at a local PetSmart in Simpsonville, South Carolina at the end of her shift, leaving an extended group of friends and family to search for her. Shortly after midnight on the 25th, two of Katie's friends decided to search a nearby abandoned home, one that had been a hangout for local teens for years. But when her friends walked into the basement of this haunting home, they came face to face with the most horrific sight they had ever seen. Katie's body was in the basement, sealed in a cement box. The murder weapon, a knife, was still embedded in her neck. Frantically, her friends called the police, sobbing as they begged for help. >> 911. What's location of your emergency? >> We found my friend Katie dead in >> Okay. Okay. Are you saying she's dead in the house? Yes, ma'am. >> Is she cold? >> She's very pale, and there was no response. >> After speaking with Katie's friends, Simpsonville Police Department rushed to the scene to begin their investigation. It didn't take them long to be bered by leads from Katie's friends and family, all pointing to the same suspect, her aranged husband of just 3 months, John Blauvelt. Police went to his job at a nearby army base to deliver the news of his wife's death. Aranged or not, they expected an emotional reaction. The following footage was provided to us by Simpsonville Police Department in Simpsonville, South Carolina, [music] and begins just after they have told Jon of his wife's death. >> Prior Saturday morning, [snorts] >> [snorts] >> What did you guys What was your conversation about the dog Jupiter? Um, she wanted his ship. She wanted his mouth records and his dog bowl and I told her basically so [snorts] she's not supposed to be talking order. >> Okay. Um, and I, you know, this conversation is going to be a little personal, but we'll go ahead and just put it out there. Um, what the restraint order deal? What's the deal with that? >> This is a charge back that I got back in [snorts] February 20 28th 27th, end of February, uh, domestic violence, first degree, um, that she that she charged me with. >> [snorts] >> And then um obviously when that happens the state issues a restraining order right it's just never I mean they the fountain then told us that we can't lift it until the my court it's just it's >> disposition. Yeah. >> Okay. Um what has anything ever like that ever happened before? Have you guys ever had any big issues like that in the past? >> I mean we we were the worst couple. you know, we argued a lot, but >> [snorts] >> um she I think it was just bad timing, honestly, because she was going through some [ __ ] and I was going through some [ __ ] and she just left one day. It was like a Tuesday and then she came back Friday with all the entire fountain police department and it was a pretty big scene. It was a 4 hour thing. >> Okay. But and then I mean I'll tell you but after that we you know we talked or whatever still and we still saw each other pretty often. >> Um when was the last time you actually saw her? >> I'd say probably July >> because she moved out in April I think. >> Have you ever gotten so mad at her that maybe you did something you didn't mean to do? No. >> Absolutely not. Um, I used to have a drinking problem, so I used to see her pretty bad and we used to have like yelling matches and [ __ ] but she has some lungs on her so we can go back and forth all night, but I had two months now. It's just cuz I'm trying to turn my [ __ ] around. I, you know, I don't know when this new this court date's coming up for me with this nasty violence. I don't want to be lost, you know, when it when it hits. So, I just been trying to turn my [ __ ] around. >> Are you familiar with this abandoned house? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's the spot. >> What's the hangout spot? >> How come? >> I guess cuz Shia and her friends found it, you know, and then they have to being teenagers, they got to do the coolest thing they can imagine. So, I guess it's hanging out at this abandoned house. And then they um I've been there a couple times. So when was the last time you were there? Probably like a week ago, month ago. >> It's been months if anything. >> Am I being charged with a crime? Because he's recording me and I'm not comfortable with that. No. If I am, I'd like to contact a lawyer cuz this is uncomfortable. >> Okay. >> You're not you're you're not being charged, >> okay, with crime right now. >> I know. I I just want to cooperate with that. You know, >> this this brother is a death notification. >> There should be this conversation. I understand the conversation where I told you that we investigate every every death or >> anything except a natural death we investigate as a homicide until we can prove otherwise right >> um that's the reason why that we're all are here um >> our conversation here is more for trying to figure out just kind of a time frame and put together a frame of what happened >> right >> um >> the questions we have obviously Um, put it out there, bro. Y'all are in the middle of a nasty divorce, >> right? I know. I know. I've seen her mom's been saying it about me on Facebook, too. >> Brainiac John doesn't seem to realize that her mom reportedly saying stuff about him on Facebook doesn't make him a victim. It gives him more motive and therefore makes him even more of a suspect. But you know what's the most suspicious of all? The fact that he suddenly asked for an attorney when detectives showed him the house where her body was found. Yet at this point in time, he shouldn't know that the house is related to her death at all because it hadn't been released to the public. >> That doesn't hold any weight with us one way or another. Um we we have a job to do and that's all we're doing. And recording you is nothing to put you on glass or anything like that. It's totally for our benefit. Okay. >> Yeah, I know. That's what I'm asking for. >> Our job is to find out >> what happened, >> who who killed her and bring them to justice. So, uh, we're not looking to do anything to you. You know, we'll be here for you because you're, you know, >> regardless of your marital status, you still have feelings for her. >> Yeah. I mean, I wanted to call and ask if I could get an update with her mom and [ __ ] like that. I don't want to >> I know. >> I don't even want to be around like I don't want to accidentally be there at the same time her mom shows up. She [ __ ] shoots me in the face or something >> cuz that's the [ __ ] that she was saying about me like have me nervous. We will just kind of let you know where we're going as far as with her from here. Um we'll do not talk to you today. Um we will have I'm about 99% sure we'll have a manner of deaths today. Um I can't say that about the cause. It just depends on what we see. Okay. Um you are her legal next two kids. You guys are still legally married. Um within the same token her mom >> um morally right thing to do would be to allow me to discuss anything with her >> right >> about this death >> legally I have to use your permission to do that. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Absolutely. >> So we we'll definitely stay in contact with you. >> Stay in contact is one phrase for what detectives are going to do. While initially Jon was a suspect on their list, after this 20-minute death notification, he skyrocketed right to the top of it. Because not once has he asked how his aranged wife died or where she was found, which means General Grumpy Gills here earned himself another interview just a few days later. >> We hadn't really had a chance to sit down. I know I talked to you that day at the when we notified you about her death. >> Yeah. >> And things are kind of emotional and everything. So, we're still working the case obviously and trying to figure out who killed her. >> Um, >> we've talked to a bunch of people, we wanted to give you some time to grieve and, you know, do what you need to do mentally >> before we brought you in here. >> Um, but we would like to ask you some questions that maybe can give us an answer, you know, what we're looking for. >> So, with that in mind, are you willing to talk to us today? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. What I have to do is read your rights. We've been doing that with everybody. we've been talking to because, you know, anybody could potentially be a suspect, >> right? >> Detectives read John his rights. As you're about to discover, it's not his first time hearing them. >> Like I said to you before, um, we just want to get some background information and kind of paint a picture of what we have going on. Um, just kind of tell me about when you guys met, how you met, and >> uh, she worked at the firehouse. Do you know where the recruiting station is? She worked at firehouse right next door. >> Okay. So we I was going through some crap with my current marriage. Um we were kind of on the way out of that marriage. So me and her just kind of met and started dating. Um I was still living with my wife at the time and she was dating her boyfriend and I was dating my girlfriend. >> So it was kind of a funny situation. I was staying at her house most most days during the week at her dad's house. And then we finally got a apartment in December of 2014, I guess it was. >> Yeah. So that's kind of how we met. We just, you know, we both smoke cigarettes at the time. So we just went out and smoked. >> Okay. Yeah. >> You know, we just meet people through smoke breaks. >> And you got married in what year? >> Uh 2015. >> Okay. And so I I know obviously about the incident that happened between you guys allegedly in January. And then she didn't finally report till February. >> February. >> Um, what made her final report a month later about something that >> uh that was just kind of her personality, >> just getting back at you for something? Was she pissed or >> that was her personality? When she got mad about something, she would act extremely childish until she got her away. And if she didn't get away, she was escalating until she got away. >> They believed her about something happened months before. >> Well, I got arrested for it. >> That's what I'm saying. It's kind of strange. >> Wasn't they believed her? I still went away in handcuffs and I still had to get bailed out and >> Yeah. >> So whether or not they believed her, there was no, it was just a statement, >> right? That's what I'm saying. It's just he said, she said. >> Yeah. I I went away for it. And then um yeah, she just Well, she moved out like the Monday or Tuesday. She moved out in the early week and by the end of the week she was back like with her mom like clearing out all of her [ __ ] And then when that when I said okay like bye >> because we played that game before where she left she would always come back. >> Yeah. >> Well most of the time she would leave. I would beg her to come back and she would come back and then we'd make it another two or 3 weeks and then she would leave and then I beg her to come back and it and then I just didn't beg her to come back. >> What kind of stuff were y'all arguing about? um everything >> just normal >> just normal stuff >> people stuff and then being a recruiter I talked to a lot of different people so I had two phones and I talked to a lot of females and she didn't like us but that was my job as a recruiter I had to talk to everybody >> and she wouldn't like that so then we'd argue about that >> and then one time I just didn't ask her to come back and she came back like 4 days later with her mom and they cleared out like all of her stuff from the house >> so that was how how much how far after your arrest for the domestic violence then was that like a week or two or >> No, that was in January. What made her go file in in February? Who knows? >> Okay. But so she actually moved out when in February or even later than that. >> She didn't permanently actually move out of that house until about April. >> Okay. >> But what kicked off the incident in January was she moved out. >> Okay. Okay. She moved out, took all her [ __ ] came back, moved out again. I told her that time, just stay gone this time because I don't want you're ruining my [ __ ] You're ruining everything in my life. Please stay away. Came back like a week later with the police. >> So, you guys weren't married long at all? >> Two months. >> So, it's kind of >> two months and then we made it until March. I called her the night I know I wasn't supposed to. Don't care. called her the night I got out of jail and she sat there and cried on the phone and she was like, "I didn't know that you were going to go to jail." And I told her, "It's okay. You know, I forgive you. I'm a very forgiving guy. I don't give a [ __ ] I can get over this." >> You know, I know who she was. She had the shortest fuse on that. It wasn't even a fuse. It was one of those things you just pull it close. That was her personality. >> That's the personality. That's the person I knew. And I told her, "It's okay. I I'm that's fine. I'll take you back. I don't care. Let's just move on." And that lasted about two more months. Probably till about the end of April into June into June or I guess that would have been May. >> Does Hannah work or where she >> works? Yeah, she works in the mall. JC's normal. >> Now, does she live with you full time or is it the kind of >> It's on and off. She stays when she wants. >> Okay. She live with her parents otherwise. >> Mhm. Now, there's a lot to break down here. Firstly, let's talk about Hannah. Now, Hannah was a 17-year-old high school student that Jon met while he was recruiting teens at a local high school. After she claimed to be having problems at home, Jon invited her along with another teenager, Ally, to live with him, stating he wanted to be a good influence on them. Strange that he only let female teenagers move in with him, isn't it? Kind of makes you think that it wasn't about being a good influence at all. Now, after Hannah and Ally moved in, Katie, who was disgusted and infuriated that Jon was turning their marital home into a party space for teens, left. And just two weeks after, Hannah's father reported her missing. When police arrived, they had a 4-hour standoff with John, who refused to come outside. After he finally gave in, he was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Truthfully, he should have had way more charges. Katie was brought in and questioned about his relationship with Hannah. While at the station, she mentioned that Jon had pulled a gun on her and threatened to kill her, which was ultimately the final straw in her leaving. Police were legally obligated to file a report on this, which is what ultimately then got Jon arrested for domestic violence. So, although Jon wants to continuously paint Katie as someone out to get him for no reason, remember this, Katie was innocent. And John John was an abuser and a >> but we broke contact because it just she was dating already. Like she's already been dating dude. So I'm like just move on like leave me alone. >> Right. >> But I still get random texts, you know, in the morning. I look good today. I love you. [ __ ] like that. >> Was she trying to get back with you or? >> Uh I couldn't really give you a good answer on that. I My intention was to get back together with her. Yeah. At the end of this, whenever my civil court was done, that's the last thing I told her was that when this shit's all done and over with, I just want you to be there for me in that courtroom and I will walk away from that courtroom with you. >> When you say ci civil court, you talk about >> the charge from >> criminal case >> and what was going on with the military. Were they waiting to see what happened with that? >> Yeah. >> So that's why they had you over on Burger Street, right? >> Doing administrative stuff. And then once that case got cleared, if it got cleared, then >> you'd be reassigned or >> if it was like dismissed, cleared, yeah, they would have just sent me on the way. >> Um, if something came of it, then they would have continued their investigation, see what they wanted to do about it. >> Okay. >> Probably just kicked me out more likely. >> Is that I mean, I've never been in the military, so I don't know how it works, but if you get charged with something serious enough, they just discharge you >> most of the time. Yeah. >> Yeah. Especially if it's a guilty verdict, they'll just dishonorably discharge you. >> Okay. So, and that's like the worst thing that could happen. It's like walking out the door with two felonies instead of one. >> I'm sure it's a lot of pride issue, too, right? >> Yeah. >> I mean, you know, 10 years of my life and two years in my >> Yeah. But, I mean, and I told her, I said, "It's already done. They can do what they want." But I the last thing I told her was when we when I when when there's a disposition, if it's not guilty and I get to walk out of the courtroom, I want to walk out with you. And she said that was fine. She said, "That's good. That's what I want to. And that was like two months ago. She's already started dating this dude named Bill and then she was dating some dude before that and then she was dating some other dude and I'm like just be with them. >> Does that piss you off? >> Mm- way you had Hannah, right? >> Well, yeah. Me and Hannah were dating. Not really, but you know, we were she was living with me. So, >> yeah. So, for all intents and purposes, Katie thought you two were together, >> right? And there's nothing I could have said otherwise. So, >> and then Cheyenne told her entire family that me and Hannah were dating. So then, and that's the story, we're dating. Doesn't matter what I say. So then since that, since Hannah moved out back with her parents, no, I would say I'm not dating anybody. >> John was undeniably dating Hannah. Their relationship was so extreme and so serious that John actually moved her into his bedroom the very day that his wife Katie moved out. >> So she moves out, you moved Crystal and Brandon in to help pay out bills or whatever. >> It was Yeah, it was pretty soon after they actually moved in. Yeah. >> Okay. Any other roommates? >> Uh Hannah was living there for a little bit. >> Hannah? >> Yeah. While Katie was there, Hannah was going through some [ __ ] at home, so she asked Katie if she can move in. She said, "Yeah, we moved all her [ __ ] in." Wayne was still there and then Wayne got well then Katie Katie left before Wayne got in his car accident. So she left and then Wayne left and then Crystal moved in and then Hannah moved out and now it's just us and Crystal. >> Okay. Um how did you guys meet Hannah? Was it a friend of Katies or your >> friend of Cheyenne? >> Okay. Okay. And you and Cheyenne pretty tight, right? >> Well, you used to be. Oh, you're not now >> because of this. >> Because of this, you know, I haven't heard from I tried to talk to Cheyenne on Tuesday. Tuesday was the last time I talked to Cheyenne and then she just dropped me off face the planet. So, [clears throat] >> kind of shows who your real friends are. >> Yeah. >> When you ask somebody specifically for help because you are not in a good place and they blow you off completely, >> but [snorts] you know they're out there having fun with friends. >> Yeah. >> She's not grieving right now. She's out partying right now. So you could at least text she could at least text me back, you know. >> Yeah. I don't have an answer for that. >> And then I already had to avoid the the viewing. I had to go on Sunday by myself because her whole family was there. And if I can't even get Cheyenne who lived with me and who I bought cars for and school books for and sent to and pushed to get a job and [ __ ] If I can't trust her to be calm and levelheaded, then how am I going to go to this viewing with her crazy family there? >> Right. So the viewing was Saturday, right? >> Right. 2 to 4 on Saturday. >> And when did you when did you get >> I went Sunday 2:30 on Sunday? >> Okay. So they just had a private thing for you by yourself? >> Yeah. Well, I took Hannah with me. Did you? >> Yeah. How was that hard? >> Yeah, cuz I mean, first of all, there's nobody there but me and her. So, we're just kind of standing there staring at like Katie's nasty like dirty disgusting cuz they didn't even wipe down. And then we're just standing there. I don't I've seen so I've been a couple I went to my own dad's viewing when I was like 15. I've seen people dead. I've dealt with this [ __ ] before and now there's nobody else there. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. There's nobody else there because her family wants to be crazy about this [ __ ] >> So, I'm there by myself. I'm dealing with it by myself. I'm dragging her around because she's willing to be drugged around >> to be there, you know? So, I don't know. It's just been really stressful. >> You know what's more stressful? What Katie's mother went through leading up to and after her daughter's murder. Katie disclosed to her mother that Jon had threatened to kill her and her family for ruining his career because of the domestic violence charge, one that she didn't even seek out filing. For weeks, Katie's mom was terrified that something was going to happen to her daughter. And sadly, she was right. >> So, let's go to last Monday. Um, you're working downtown, >> right? >> Um, what time roughly did you leave work? I don't um >> I'm not going to hold you to the exact minute because I if you ask me what I did last Monday found out. >> Yeah. I don't know. I normally just leave with Judy. So whenever it's always between 2 and 3 whenever Judy leaves, >> that's when I'm out the door, too. >> They really only got me there for her to keep her company. >> Yeah. >> Um so what did you do when you left work? I just went home and then I got home and recently I've been like running the trail behind the house cuz I hate wearing running shoes and it gets my dog outside. So I take him all back and we run trails. So that day I went out ran trails and I went and sat by this little spot and like watch fish. >> So there's a creek back there. Yeah, same. I' been doing it a lot recently just cuz um I quit drinking a few months ago and it's really like helped me find out what kind of shell I like in life. >> Apparently, he found out he liked teenage girls. >> Was anybody home when you got home? >> Just Crystal and Brandon. Okay. >> And I had her She was supposed to go to the Soliv Center that morning cuz she was already with me cuz she's out there trying to get her GED. >> Oh, Hannah was with you. >> Yeah, she's the one who drove me home >> from work. Yeah, cuz she was supposed to go to the Sol Center and then we forgot because it was getting late anyway and we went home. >> What What car did you drop on? >> A Prius. >> Okay. So, you you work in the morning >> and she dropped you off and took the Prius or >> No, she was with I don't know what the hell she does, but most time she's either walks around downtown or she sits in my car. >> All right. >> Yeah. Whenever she needs to go up there, [snorts] she just rides. And then she was supposed to go to Solivan Center. Didn't I guess and then >> Okay. So you guys got home around three roughly. >> Yeah. >> Brandon and um >> Crystal >> Crystal were there. And what did Hannah do while you were running with Marley? >> Whatever she does watch TV once. >> Okay. Um what happened after that? After you're done running. >> Oh, we went and met my uh friend Scott to get some money that he owes me. >> So it was you and Hannah that went and met him. Yeah. >> What time was that roughly? >> I don't know. It was later. It was dark. >> So dark's about 7ish. >> Yeah. >> Did you go anywhere before that? >> Okay. Um, so you did you meet him and eat dinner or did you just hang out? >> I ate. We ate while we waited for him and then he showed up, dropped me some cash and he left. >> What's the payment plan or is he >> get it? Yeah. I didn't never expect to hear from him again. After he crashed my car, I stopped talking to him. I left his room on side road like bye. Crashed my [clears throat] car, dude. He stole my car and he crashed it. So, I'm not talking anymore. And that was like I think it was a month or two ago. And then he just started calling me like last week and he's like, "I'm in Greenville. I got money." I was like, "Okay, cool. Let me go get some money." That night somebody says you and Hannah were putting some trash from a bag, like a trash bag in the back of the Prius. >> Do you know remember doing that? >> Oh, yeah. >> What was that about? Uh Marley had [snorts] like the most explosive [ __ ] >> on the floor and stunk up the whole house. Throw like four towels. It was disgusting. And then Crystal left it for me to clean up. So cuz it was like watery nasty. I had to get like three or four towels to clean it up plus the Swiffer plus like dump bleach on the floor. So yeah, it was pretty nasty. >> Okay. So why'd you put it in the car? >> To take it. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Our trash is always filled up. I We used to have this entertainment center. I just chopped it up. So it was like the trash can was full. >> So [snorts] you took that to go to Zach's piece or >> Yeah. We're just going to throw out the way. >> Okay. A dumpster. >> All right. >> This is really taking blaming the dog to a new level because as you've guessed, those trash bags weren't full of dog crap, but his story is full of bull crap. Hannah and John were caught on camera dumping trash bags in multiple different trash cans. Trash bags that contain the clothes worn during the crime, weapons used in the crime, and any other evidence that could link John to the murder of Katie. >> Now, couple of questions. Um, when we notified you that t Wednesday morning, excuse me, at work, myself and the bigger black fellow from the coroner's office, um, you never asked us, you know, what had happened to Katie or how she died. Is there any reason? Were you >> Yeah, I explained this to a few people because like 20 people asked me that day what happened. >> I feel like there nothing that that could bring me. >> So, you didn't really want to know. >> Yeah. There's nothing that that information would bring me in the moment. Um like I said, I've experienced death and >> in the military. >> Yeah. And that's never really done [ __ ] for me. No. Um a good friend of mine, a lieutenant, was stabbed after he got out in the military. was he was um overseas in the Middle East for school. He was stabbed to death. Him and his wife were stabbed to death. Um that brought me no comfort finding that out knowing he was dead. I just had a friend recently and I still don't know. I still don't want to know. It doesn't matter cuz that's the end state. >> It is what it is. >> It is what it is. They're already dead. How they died means nothing to me. >> Okay. >> So, and that's how I I've just I've been >> I've probably seen people Yeah. Being in the military and seeing people die probably gives you that outlook. So >> yeah. >> Um when was the last time you saw Katie face to face >> and and I'm not worried about this restraining order thing. Trust me that's at least our worries. >> The last time I saw her was Cheyenne had a doctor's appointment and I and Katie was there with her at the doctor. Okay. >> And I [clears throat] just coincidentally had a doctor's appointment at the same exact office. I just switched over to a new doctor and they were leaving as I was checking out. >> What? So, when was that roughly? >> Uh, two or three months ago. I don't know. We could we could get an exact date. >> Okay. >> Um, but yeah, that's the last time I saw her face. >> And she I don't think she saw me until she was actually out the door. So, we didn't talk or nothing. >> Now, she had been asking you for this paper paperwork for Jupiter medical records or bills or something or >> medical records. >> Okay. And what else? a bowl or something. >> A dog food bowl. >> Dog food bowl. >> Um, had she called you one previous time and asked you to meet her or bring it? >> She called me multiple times as me to bring her that stuff. >> He's sitting out. >> Yeah. First of all, Marley uses that ball and he needs that ball and it's dog medical records. It's dog medical records. You could probably walk up there to to >> Yeah. It's not like >> rules. >> There's no rules and regulations for dog medical records. So if you want I feel like she was just using it as an opportunity to see >> to get you to come see her >> and it wouldn't have been the first time, >> right? >> There's been so many emergencies that come up. I need to see you right now for this just to get there and be like, you want to smoke a cigarette? >> Yeah, that's >> don't. It's typical. >> So it wasn't the first time. >> Now Katie did reach out to John a few times despite the protective order against him. Why? because he still had possession of her beloved dog Jupiter. When Katie was finally able to take custody of her dog away from Jon, Jon held on to anything he owned that belonged to Jupiter, including the records, which although detectives say are easy to get, are not. The records are considered confidential and can only be given to someone who is the owner of the account at the vets's office. In this case, John. We've heard a little bit about this abandoned house that it was a hangout for a lot of these younger kids and whatnot. You've been there before. >> Yeah. >> Okay. When was the last time you were there? >> Probably a few months ago. >> Okay. And who you were there with at the time? >> Um I don't know. It's normally like a group of people. So it's always going to be the same group. I just don't know who was in the group at that time. >> So generally name some of the people that would be there. Not particularly at that time. >> Uh Cheyenne would be there. Alli would be there. Hannah would be there. I would be there. Wayne would be there. Um maybe Cameron, maybe Kimani. That's it from our little group back in. >> Where would you guys park when you hung out there? >> That gravel um when we first started going like back January, like last January when they first showed it to me, that brush used to be cleared out so you could drive right up in there. >> Okay. >> And then nobody would be able to see your car, so you wouldn't have to worry about people messing with you. >> Yeah. Where uh where would you guys hang out? In the house, outside the house, >> like in the living room. >> Um I'm just going to hang out. >> Been in the attic a couple times because there's like a a crawl space hole. I guess not crawl space, but like a hole, one of the closets you climb in the attic and hang out there that's kind of stable mostly in the living room cuz the rest of the house seems like at any moment it's going to collapse. You ever been down the stairs in the basement? >> No. >> Okay. I bet cuz the one side's all flooded out and then you can only climb down and then the other stairs is like missing like the last step and it's all like sketchy. >> You can feel it. I don't know if you've gone down there, but you can feel like every step >> wobbling back up. You don't know how you're going to get back up. >> You never decide to. >> Mhm. >> Get out and check it out. >> No, he'll know. >> Okay. >> You don't never know how you going to get back up. >> Blame me for that. Just a reminder, this is a 28-year-old army man who owns a house. Why did he feel the need to go to an abandoned house to hang out with teenagers? Well, sadly, we all know the answer to that question. To make matters even worse, John would frequently provide these teenagers with not just the green, if you catch my drift, but he would give them all the snow they wanted. Essentially, he brought a blizzard everywhere he went, as long as there were teens there that he could impress with it, which is disgusting on its own. But what's even more disgusting is what he repeatedly told these teenagers. >> Have you ever, and it would probably jokingly, I would assume, made a statement to any of your friends about wanting to kill Katie? >> No. >> Um, ever said, you know, well, if Katie dies, you know, we'll get some money or a lot of money to do anything with. >> No. >> Okay. Um, have you ever gone up to any friends and said, "Hey, would you do me a favor and take my car, take my keys, uh, my debit card, my phone, and go away for the weekend to Charleston, say, and that'll make it look like I'm out of town so I can kill Katie?" >> No. >> Okay. So, somebody told us that, they're making that up, >> I believe. So, yeah. >> Okay. Okay. That's the same type of [ __ ] that has been coming out her family's mouth for the last two weeks and I'm getting kind of sick of it because I don't feel safe in my house anymore. There's cars parked out my out front of my house during the night time and I know I got PTSD and I know watching them, but there's cars parked out front of my house. There's people driving by and that's the type of [ __ ] that's the narrative right there that's going to get me trouble with some crazy driving now and shooting up my house in the middle or somebody called my ex-wife yesterday. Somebody called my ex-wife yesterday. >> Who's >> and that's got me scared. >> What's her name? >> You talked to her yesterday. >> But >> Katherine. >> Yeah, that's got me scared because my kid's there. And how did somebody get her number from here? How does somebody get her number from here? And then not just from here, not just from Simpsonville, but from some private number called her, blocked called her, so they can find my kid now. And that's the [ __ ] that that's got me pissed off, >> man. >> Cuz I can't sleep at night because I think something's going to happen to my house. That's all I got. >> People say, "Oh, it's just stuff." Well, if my house burns down, what stuff do I have? I get a check from the insurance company for 100 grand to pay off the house, but I'm still sitting homeless. So I >> So this pressure is coming from Katie's family. >> Yeah, it was on Facebook. We got pictures. We got screenshots. This was all on Facebook. People are getting out my address. People can't walk to my house the other night. People walked to my house the other night. We're standing out front of my house. >> Do you recognize them or not? >> No, they were from Facebook. Okay. >> Crystal got in this argument with this guy on Facebook and he's like, I know where you live. I can come there right now. Come here right now because that makes me unsafe. I got to barricade my front door because now you're telling people to come by my house and her mom's been telling people to come by my house. They're trying to spin the story against me and it's got me terrified. It's got me scared as [ __ ] >> Do you have any idea who killed her? >> No, absolutely not. This [ __ ] is ridiculous and it's scary. >> But I'm I can't even be scared for Katie right now because I know Katie wouldn't want me in this situation. She knows I'm there as hell. >> Are you talking about your ex-wife, Katie? >> I'm I'm talking about Katie. Katie, I want to die. >> Yeah, she knows that I'm like this. Be paranoid like this. >> Do you know how narcissistic you have to be to say that the woman you killed wouldn't want you to be upset? In reality, John didn't know or care what Katie wanted in life. He was much too focused on what he wanted, a 17-year-old. If he did care at all what Katie wanted, he would have stopped when she said her final words. If you let me go, I won't go to the police. Instead, he stabbed her in the neck. >> Some people told us that recently they got in the backseat of your car and something had been spilled and they they were told, you know, hey, don't touch that. >> And I told Cheyenne, I just spilled iced tea right there. Don't sit in that. The iced tea bottle is probably still in the back of my car right now. >> Okay. That was in the back seat. >> Yeah. >> How How did you spill it in the back seat? I just drink it and toss it. >> Okay. >> My cleanest person. I clean out my car once a week, twice a week the most. >> Okay. >> Trash all over my inside my car right now. >> Okay. And her family's the ones putting that [ __ ] in her hand cuz she was at my house on Tuesday just fine helping. We were both just fine just talking to each other. Back family. Well, you got to understand right now they're going through a lot too. >> I'm trying to understand, but I'm going through the same [ __ ] >> I lost a friend. Maybe not the best wife, but I lost friend. >> She She would always been my friend. We would have always been the worst married couple on the planet, but she was always going to be my friend. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Sometimes people are made great friends, but terrible lovers or whatever, >> right? That's the way we seen it and we just the worst couple. But we were always the best friends. It's not until you started bringing the relationship back into it that we start arguing with each other. I got plenty of text messages where we just nice to each other just talking about our date. >> Yeah. >> But then, you know, one of us would be like, "So, you going to come home and you know, what are you doing right now?" And then it would escalate to, "We can't be in a relationship. We can't do this and that." It's just got me stressed out, too. Nobody gives a [ __ ] >> So, when she was asking for the paperwork for the dog and stuff, had you decided you were going to give it to her and meet up or >> Okay. Just cuz she something she could go do herself, she buy another dog. >> Yeah, she works there. You tell me you pass by a thousand dog bowls a day. You can't borrow one. You can't take one. And then been eating out since June. He needs this bowl. >> That's true. So it's more of a thing just a way to get you. >> Yeah. Really thing on you about >> sometimes and Crystal will tell you because she's seen her do it is that sometimes she would make up a scenario or say she needs something just to get close cuz she can reel me back in. She's real good at it. >> Most people in interrogations at least show an ounce of compassion for the dead. John, however, would rather show buckets and buckets of hatred, anger, and resentment. His disdain for Katie is palpable, which is only made more disgusting when you hear from others about how kind, caring, funny, and warm Katie was. She didn't end things with Jon because she was an evil succubus like he wants to paint her as. She ended it because she could no longer handle being near a 28-year-old man who was inviting teenagers over to party and do drugs in the home that she dreamt of raising children in. >> I don't know how much you know about cell phones and stuff like that. Um, but as you go around your cell phone's constantly tower, >> searching for signals and stuff like that. >> Um, so with that said, is there anything going back to last Monday, is there anything that you've told me that your cell phone records would say otherwise? >> I don't believe so. >> Okay. You don't believe so or Definitely not? >> Definitely not. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> There's a difference. >> Okay. Well, I don't know. It's tiny. Small. Um, what if I told you that your cell phone did ping somewhere other than where you say you were? >> Then I'd also say that her cell phone pinged in West Virginia. >> Yeah, that ended up being a AT&T mishap. They they plugged in the wrong phone number. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Okay. Um, what if I told you that Charles Scott's phone number pinged in the same area that yours did and not around Zach's >> when Monday night got freedom of moving on him? We can call him. We can ask him. >> Okay. >> But I'm not in control of that man. And I do not take any charge over him because that dude is a lost cause. >> I want my 350 bucks. You're done. and I would like to change my phone number. If I can move, I will move. >> Is there any physical evidence that we're either going to [snorts] find in that abandoned house, on Katie's body, or on any of her clothing, or in her car that is going to link you to her death? >> I don't believe so. No, definitely not. >> Okay. And you understand now DNA evidence is it's the new thing%. It's not new, but it's >> okay. And it's pretty accurate. >> Cold case files, all that kind of stuff, >> right? Yeah. So, I just don't want to have to go back >> in a couple weeks when we get all these results and say, "Well, John said there ain't no way this could have happened." But so if you did get together last week and have or go take the dog for a walk and that's how your you know hair could have gotten in her car or something like that then we need to know that now so we don't have to explain it later. >> Yeah I understand. >> So there should be nothing on her body from you right? >> Is that fair to say? >> That's fair to say. >> Okay. Okay. So no hairs no um touch DNA. >> I can't imagine. >> Okay. Because you understand, you know, if I touch investigator Manley's hand and they come and swab her hand, they're going to get my DNA off, >> right? Fingerprint, sweat, >> right? And um that stuff can't be denied. It's, you know, as accurate as a fingerprint, you know, your DNA profile. So, I just want to make sure that >> we're not going to get any surprises, >> right? Yeah. >> And these, you know, DNA tests take time. It's not like, you know, it is on CSI. >> I wish it was. You don't put in a computer. >> Exactly. >> So left and right. >> But I've had cases before where we've asked somebody something and they said, "Nope, no, absolutely not." And then we do get results that match them and they're like, "Oh, well, there was this time that such and such, so we have to, you know, eliminate all that now." >> Right. Honestly, >> would you um what we've been doing is offering polygraph tests. We've polygraphed a couple people already >> and um we're using that as a tool to eliminate people and once we [clears throat] eliminate people that means we can kind of narrow down our search and it helps us so we're not wasting time looking at people that we don't need to be looking at. >> Right. >> Um would you be willing to take polygraphs so we can go ahead and do that with you and eliminate you and start looking elsewhere? >> I have to talk to my lawyer about that first. >> Okay. >> See what he says because I don't know about that at all. >> Yeah. Well, it's nothing that can be used in court. It's a tool we use. >> Mhm. kind of like DNA is a tool, fingerprints are a tool, interviews are a tool, right? So, um, that's something I would like to, you know, see if you'd be willing to do so that we could get past you and start looking, you know, for somebody else. >> Well, I'll give him a call tomorrow and then we'll he'll set something up. >> Okay. Is there any information or any questions I haven't asked you that any information you have that might help us? >> I mean, y'all know about this house, though. Y'all know about the abandoned house because all the new all the news I got is from the media and they're painting this house as like some house that they knew of they used to go to and all this kind of [ __ ] This was an active like spot to go and stuff. >> Yeah, the news kind of screwed up and said it was a high school hangout, but I know they've been going to >> I mean it was a high school hangout, but you know hang out too. >> Okay. As long as you know because this news story has been spinning. >> The news screws things up big time. Yeah, >> we can tell them that the sky was blue and 70° and they'll say it was cloudy and 30, >> right? >> I just wanted to make sure y'all knew that that she had been there a few times with more than just, you know, recent friends. She's been there with new guys and stuff like that. I don't know what her family's told you. Hopefully Cheyenne's been, you know, upfront with you, but she's been dating around a lot. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, we're we're looking into some of that and uh >> trying to see if maybe she came up came across somebody that you know >> there's a lot of >> because she was on Tinder and Tinder's just a face. You know, you can make a Tinder profile. >> Oh, sure. Yeah. >> So, she's been on Tinder. I know that for a fact. >> Sol. >> Just so we're all clear here, John is furious that Katie, his ex, is on Tinder while he is actively engaged in a relationship with Hannah and is on Tinder himself. The irony of that is clearly lost on him. But what makes it even worse is the fact that Jon didn't just know Katie was on Tinder. He knew every person that she was meeting up with because he recruited Hannah to stalk Katie and find out who she was seeing and when. >> Are you familiar with where White Horse Road is? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Cuz I've taken it. It's It's 25, right? >> Okay, then. Yeah, I know. >> Do you know where Augusta Road and it meets kind of? It's like Augusta Road turns into 291. I don't know where the story is. >> That's fine. So, the night this Monday night that we're talking about around 6:15, sometime around that time frame, can you think of any reason your phone would show that you were in that area of Augusta Road and White Horse Road? >> No. >> Okay. [snorts] Um, is there any reason you and Charles were talking a lot that evening? >> Yeah, cuz he that's the night that he was here. That's the night he was available. So that's the night I needed my [ __ ] >> So you'll be on video at Zach's meeting him and eating. >> I was eating. I met He was in Zachb's yet. >> All right. So you guys will both be on video. >> Mhm. >> Okay. What time was that roughly? >> I don't know. Whatever time you said earlier. >> Well, you said it was dark. >> Yeah, it was dark. >> Okay. So dark is about 7ish or so. >> Yeah. >> Now, some people said that car that they identified as Katie's was seen pulling into your driveway around 5:00 at that window. told me that. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Do you know what the deal is for that? [clears throat] >> And Crystal told me about that. Um, but like we said, that's somebody that's some that's a normal move on her part, >> right? >> So, that really wasn't too much of a concern. I didn't even follow up. I didn't text her anything when she did that [ __ ] So, >> well, if that was her, why would she back out really fast? >> I don't know. >> Cuz you said she'd try and stop by. I'm >> not trying to read her mind. So, >> no, I understand. But you said that she would stop by and try and see the cat or stop by and bring Jupiter. When was that? Do you know? >> I don't know. >> Like back in the summer or here? >> The first one. >> Okay. And then what happened Tuesday? What was your day like on Tuesday? Did you go to work? >> Tuesday? Yeah, I went to work. I've been to work every day since. >> I was going to ask you point blank. Did you kill Katie? >> No. >> Do you know who killed her? >> No. >> [snorts] >> This polygraph will really help us. Um, you know, it's not admissible in court. Like I said, it's nothing that you take abuse against you. They're not going to ask you about other offthe-wall stuff. They're going to ask you direct questions related to her being killed. Um, the quicker we can get rid of you as a suspect, we've already, like I said, we've done others with other people, so it's not like we're targeting out you. Yeah. If we were, we wouldn't have waited what, a week and a day >> before we brought you in here. >> So that's what everybody's been telling me. So >> yeah, >> just got my head kind of straight. Apparently, [snorts] man, apparently I I already got drugged out of my house one time for not committing a crime. >> Do you have your cell phone with you? What kind of phone do you have? >> I got the V10. The LG V10. >> V10. Does that have a a lock code on or how do you >> Yeah, it's got a lock on. >> Is it like a number lock or >> Mhm. >> You mind telling me what the number lock is? >> Yes, I do. That's my pen for everything. I'm not going to say that. >> Okay. Okay. >> Next thing I know, you taking out $20 on the bank. >> That's all I got. >> Pretty honest guy. Money. >> That's all I got right now is my 20 bucks. [snorts] >> I need [clears throat] gas money. >> Um, one of the things that we're doing with people is um getting swabs >> from their mouth. It's basically skin cell samples that we use to create a DNA profile. Right. >> Um it's just a basically a big Q-tip, swab it on the inside of their mouth, and then submit that to create a DNA profile to compare to evidence we get. >> Are you okay with that? >> I'll talk to my lawyer about it. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, what we've been doing with people is we've been getting search warrants to get them. >> Um that way we don't have to mess around with, you know, I do or I don't or I need to call my mom or, you know, stuff like that. So, I've got a search warrant to get your DNA. >> Okay. Um, like I said, you're not the first one. I can show you, you know, other people we've gotten it from. >> That's fine. You know, I'm not going to fight a warrant. I'm not going to fight the quarter. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, that's one of those things. >> Um, couple other things. We do have a warrant for your phone. So, I need you to turn that over. [snorts] >> Can I text my boss? >> You can write down a phone number and call him, but I can't let you make any calls or any texts. >> Okay. >> This may just be one of the most satisfying moments we've ever covered. Despite the fact that detectives give him nearly 2 minutes to pull numbers from his phone, which they have no legal obligation to do, he decides to put up a fight. And when detectives do finally get a chance to look at the phone, it's clear why. >> All right. You got all the numbers you need? >> I'm just waiting for it to lock. >> Okay. Go ahead. I need the phone. Like I said, we got to search one. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, go ahead and hand the phone over to me. >> Where's the one at? >> It's right here. You'll get a copy of it. Just a sec. Just want to see it before. I'm sorry. I watch TV. List your phone. Your phone number manufacturer bl your date of birth and the assigned telephone number. Judge Dean. Sounds good to me. >> Police read John the warrant for the seizure of his car and phone detailing all of the evidence we've gone over. as Jon shakes his head in disbelief. Though even given the evidence against him, Jon seems more mad about perceived transgressions that teenagers have made. >> Should I send that text message? >> What text message? >> She hadn't talked to me since Tuesday and then I told her I was going through some [ __ ] and my PTSD was bothering me and stuff like that. She just decided to like completely blow me off. So, it actually kind of hurts. >> You said you wish you hadn't sent her that message. >> Wish I had >> sent her what message? >> She sent like a thumbs up a few hours ago. >> A few hours ago today. >> Yeah. >> In response to what? >> In response to nothing. She just sent me a thumbs up. I was like, You can't leave somebody out to dry for 4 days and then come back. >> Like thumbs up. That's cool. >> That's what that meant. >> Either because if you send me a thumbs up, you sarcastic. Okay. Something like that. >> Yeah. >> It's just that it's been 4 days since I talked to her. So, I don't know. I mean, you're feeling you. Tell me. What's the thumbs up mean? 4 days. Is it in response to something or like on a picture or >> I have no idea. >> That's what I thought too. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, she hasn't talked to you and then all of a sudden she sent that to you. >> She had talked to me since Tuesday. >> And you said you wish you had sent her a message. Well, what would you >> wish I had sent her a message? I typed out a big message like you can't drop people like that. You can't drop friends like that and then four days later be like, "Oh, we're cool." No, dude. Not when people really have [ __ ] going on in their head. Not when people really like I was there for her, you know, and she made no attempt to be there for me. I went through the same [ __ ] everybody else went through. She didn't make no attempt. Nobody Nobody told me about the viewing. I find out all this [ __ ] on my own. And you want to come back to me like, "Hey, we're cool." No, we're not. That [ __ ] hurts, man. Everybody knows I ain't got no family. Just me. Now, soon after Jon was interrogated, 17-year-old Hannah was brought in. And although she didn't crack, she showed many, many more emotions than John did. >> You do not want to get wrapped up in catching a murder charge. >> You're 17 years old. You have your entire life ahead of you. >> You may love John and you may think you two are going to get married and walk down the yellow brick road. Okay? But no man and no woman is worth going to prison for. >> Do you agree? >> Yes, sir. If you know something and you're trying to cover up for it, you're going to go down with the person who did this to her for for knowing anything, whether it was beforehand or after the fact. You're going to go down with them. >> Desperate to get her to break, detectives showed Hannah a photo of Katie's body. >> Look at her. She's right here. >> I don't want to look at her. >> It's your friend. >> I don't want to do this anymore. >> Don't want to do what? Don't want to help us find out who killed her. Can I please leave? Can I please leave? >> Hannah, this is [laughter] a friend of yours that I'm trying to do. >> I want to help, but I >> Ultimately, despite two very different, although very damning, interrogations, both Hannah and John were released as detectives went through John's phone and car, and they took that opportunity to flee. >> Case of murder and a missing person's report. Police say a man accused of killing his wife is connected to both. Investigators say the suspect is an Army recruiter now considered awall and possibly with his teenage girlfriend. >> John and Hannah fled across the country in his vehicle. Just a few days after a warrant for his arrest was issued, they were spotted on camera in New Mexico over a thousand miles away from Simpsonville. But then they vanished. Police were at a loss. Due to John's training in the military, he knew how to evade capture. And though he had passed that test, he wasn't passing any IQ tests because for some reason he believed that he and Hannah could survive in the mountains of Oregon together with no money. After getting his car stuck in the mud on a remote trail, the two were forced to hike to Medford, where they started begging for cash. And very quickly, Hannah decided the fugitive life wasn't for her. She called police in Simpsonville, begging for a ticket back home. So, ride or die? Not exactly. When she arrived in Simpsonville, she told police the route they had taken and their plan. But that was all until 6 years later when Jon was still missing and Hannah's conscience got the best of her. >> John is not a good person obviously [clears throat] and we are trying desperately to find him. Okay? So if if it was yesterday you spoke with him, if it was two weeks ago you spoke with him, we need to know that. >> Okay? It's not It's not any different in my mind if you spoke with him 20 minutes before you walked in the door today or two years ago. >> But we're still looking for and he needs to be held responsible for what he's done. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. >> So, I'm going to ask you again and I want the full honest truth. Okay? Cuz I don't want to do this in another six years where you come back and tell me, "Well, actually, I was talking to him the day before I talked to you." Okay? So, if it was yesterday, if it was two weeks ago, if it was a year ago, 5 months ago, I need to know the very last time you spoke with him and what that conversation was about. >> Um, I I really really really feel like it was in 2019. I don't remember the exact I like time. I just feel like it was in 2019 at the like first six months of it. I don't remember like I know I'm giving like a really broad time, but that's just I don't want to give any like misinformation because I know that this is really really serious and that I'm the only one that would know this. And um we had been talking less like at first we were talking every single day multiple time like for hours a day and we've been talking less at this point. And so I I was the one that stopped communication with him and I had just decided to like do it. I didn't tell him like I'm not going to talk to you anymore. I don't think. And so I think the conversation was pretty like like no like substance to it really. Just maybe like a hey, how are you? >> Where was he back then? >> I know that he was living with somebody who um a girl that he said that they were dating. Hannah revealed that over the past 6 years, she had been talking to Jon secretly as he began a whole new life in Medford, Oregon. After some convincing, she gave detectives details that led him to this man, Ben Klene. Jon had created an entire new identity, calling himself Ben, and starting a new life with pets, a girlfriend, and a job as a handyman. He never expected police to knock on his door. And when they did, ambushing him as he stepped outside of his home in Medford, he wasn't the only one who was shocked. His girlfriend, whose name has not been released, was crushed. >> So, he's being arrested um on charges out of South Carolina. >> For murder. >> Are you serious? >> Yeah. >> I can't believe him. This is like >> I'm sorry. We've been together for like 6 years. Along with forensic evidence linking him to the crime, more disturbing details came to light during testimony. Jon's teenage victims were now adults, and they wanted the truth out there. One testified that Jon had a to-do list on his fridge at the time of the murder. The number one to-do, get rid of Katie. Ultimately, at trial, Jon was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the murder of his ex-wife, Katie. Hannah, however, ended up with a slap on the wrist. She took a plea deal, pleading guilty to obstruction of justice and concealing a felony, earning 3 years of probation. Our hearts go out to Katie's family, all who knew her, and all who loved her. Thank you for watching today's video. Whether you're new here or have been with us for a while, check out one of the craziest cases I've ever covered right here, or one of my newest uploads right here.