But you can do that. >> All right. >> So, the reason that I wanted to talk to you is some issues happened over at Lauren's house this morning. >> You sure? >> Well, uh, not really. >> She's dead. >> So, >> Oh my god. You think I did? >> This is 47year-old Joseph Paul Dewise. Paul has just orchestrated the murder of his own wife in their Montana home mere hours ago, killing Lauren Dewise and making their children watch. A murder he has no idea his kids have just turned him in for. >> Did you hear him? >> Yes. >> Did you hear? Dad, >> what the hell is wrong with me? >> For years, this couple slowly fell out of love with Lauren growing more distant by the day. Something that Paul couldn't accept. >> He told her if she did ever meet him, he will kill her. >> And something that will help detectives figure out what happened in the Dewise home. >> Look, I didn't do anything. Your response doesn't make sense. Oh, that's okay. I don't always make sense. >> It was a blustery night on January 6th, 2018 in the rural town of Belgrade, Montana, when police dispatch received one of the most haunting 911 calls of their lives. >> I live next door neighbor. She just came over in Paris and said somebody shot her roommate. >> Screaming in the background was a woman named Audrey. After a long day at work, she arrived home, which she shared with her roommates, Ashley Van Heammer and Lauren Dewise. But upon entering, she quickly discovered that her life was about to be forever changed. Inside, both Ashley and Lauren laid in pools of blood. Lauren, a mother of three and bank manager who had recently separated from her husband, was cold to the touch. Not far from her, Ashley laid on the floor, conscious, but rambling and at times incoherent. Ashley had been injured so severely that she couldn't see anything, even as the officer stood just inches away from her. She was quickly transported to the hospital for life-saving treatment and shockingly made a full recovery, even regaining her vision. Unfortunately, Lauren wasn't so lucky. By the time EMTs arrived, she was gone. And looking at her injuries, it made sense. Ashley had been shot a single time. Lauren, on the other hand, had been shot four. And when police spoke with neighbors who had seen a man fleeing, they knew that Lauren had been the target of the shooting because neighbors swore they saw her aranged husband, Paul Dewise, running away. And he left a little treat behind for detectives. Footprints quite literally written in blood. Police quickly brought Paul in for questioning, and he wasn't thrilled about it to say the least. And if you enjoy killers like this, realize they're not winning an Oscar. Subscribe and check out our Spotify where we upload podcasts every week. This is crap. What the hell is this about? >> After officers come in and take his handcuffs off, he proceeds to groan in pain and show everyone that he's uh nervous, to say the least. Just be thankful smellvision hasn't been invented yet. [sighs] [sighs] He'd probably be a lot more nervous if he knew that just down the hall, law enforcement was questioning his children, 15-year-old John and 17-year-old Natalie, along with their biological mother, who flew up from Florida to support her children. Within minutes of the interrogation beginning, they were starting to crack. >> I [snorts] think you were involved. Come on, son. help me understand why you were there. >> As Paul waits in his own interrogation room, he likely thinks that the threats he's made against his own kids will prevent him from saying anything about the murder of Lauren. But as the questioning begins, he gets his first taste of what losing control looks like. >> Hey, sir. Hi. I am Sergeant McNeil, the PD. Um, so I'm not involved with the investigation directly, but I'm just kind of aware of what's going on. Uh, the investigators have contacted me and asked me to bag your hands. What this means is I'm going to place these plastic these paper bags over your hands just to make sure that nothing interferes with your hands. Okay. So, I need you to take your jacket off. >> I just keep my hands on bags. >> Yes, sir. The the investigators are are trying to gather some information, come over here and talk to you about what's going on, but until they know everything, they've asked me to do this to help preserve any possible evidence. >> Where were my kids? >> They're safe. I I I don't I don't I'm not with them. I haven't been involved with that. Okay. Do >> you know where they are? Let me put these on. Okay. Under arrest. Right now, you're being detained. Okay. All right. It's nearly 2 hours before the interrogation begins in earnest. Police sit down with him and read him his Miranda rightites after letting him sweat, literally and figuratively, for some time. And right away, he starts the interrogation off with a bang. So, the reason that I wanted to talk to you is there was some issues that happened uh over at Lauren's house last or this morning, and I just kind of wanted to touch base with you to see um if you were over there at all, if um kind of where you were um this morning, that kind of thing. >> What happened? Well, um, someone broke into the back door of her her place and so we're we're trying to get all of the stuff together. And um, from what I understand, you guys were separated and working on a divorce, and that's that's kind of >> where we're at. Is >> she right? >> Well, uh, not not really. She hasn't. >> What happened? >> Well, the the person that came in ended up shooting her, so she's dead. >> Yeah. So, >> Oh my god. So that that's why we're talking to you because you guys are going through a divorce and from what I understand and that's we need to time to figure out what's going on. >> Paul, I'm sorry to have to be in this room with you under these circumstances. This is probably one of the worst things that >> anybody on either side of this table can have to deal with. But I'm sure you can understand how serious this is and why we need to do everything we can to figure out exactly what happened, which includes talking to you. Okay? >> Right. So, absolutely anything that you can tell us that might give us a little clarity would be helpful, I think, for both of us. This is news to me. I don't know anything about it. >> Complete news. Complete surprise. >> They told me when they picked me up, they're investigating a homicide. >> I did not think I I you know, I just there's some weird stuff's been happening to me since I've been in Bosezeman. So I, you know, I'm like, geez, you know. >> Yeah. Well, let me let me just say right off the bat that I understand, Lauren, regardless of your relational issues, I understand. >> I love her. >> Lauren's very important to you. >> And I'm so sorry that you're going through this right now. >> What's happened has happened though. And so, it's important that from this this place, >> we go in the right direction. [ __ ] >> Unfortunately, somebody else was hurt there as well. So, this is this is a pretty serious issue >> for >> I don't know exactly who it was. I know there's several people in the house and in addition to Lauren >> uh having injuries, some other people had injuries as well. So, that's why >> this isn't obviously something that we would just gloss over. So, this is going to be an exhaustive [snorts] process. >> Um, and so we kind of start with the big picture stuff. Since you were one of the people that was closest to her, >> I want to talk to [snorts and clears throat] you. >> I want to talk right now. >> I [snorts] understand this is very difficult. >> And if you know if let's say for >> you think I did it. I didn't do >> we we got to we got to look at the big >> say I would never do anything. I'm asking you to give us any information that you can about anything that happened. Whether it was you or not, >> whether there was somebody else that she was seeing maybe that wanted to hurt her, I don't know. All I know is you're one of the people that's closest to us. >> And so if if that's the case, then you can help us do the right thing and find out who did this. That would be really important. >> My hands are tingling. Police have yet to say a single thing suggesting that Paul may be involved in his wife's murder. However, he immediately jumps on the defensive and then switches to offensive tactics, trying to make his aranged wife of 10 years look as bad as possible. Unfortunately for him, police know a narcissist when they see one. And his kids have already told him that he's all that and more. I've been having panic problems. I never had it before. Never. I didn't know what a real panic attack was like. >> Just since you got here? No, since um since we started going through this crap now it started in like July. She's gone through like a midlife crisis and you know she's staying gone. She's coming home late and drunk. >> Um I caught her cheating. >> Yeah. >> Two days in a row. >> Two different people in the car, you know. And uh and the second time I asked her to leave. You know, my counselor, I've been going to counseling and she said, "Based on research, it's best if you give it at least 10 days." And that's what I did. But I still loved her. I still want her back. And every like you're stupid, man. >> But I I can't help it. >> Yeah. >> And uh >> can't help love. >> And she kind of wants to come back sometimes and she's been hanging out, but you know, it's just up and down. She can't figure out what she wants to do. >> Can you tell me a little bit about how the the separation has been going? >> It's depends on who you ask. Like for her, it's fine. For me, it's been really tough. I mean, >> I want to know. For you. >> Um I I've had trouble dealing with it. You know, it's >> How long's it been going on? >> Well, I mean, we actually separated. uh November 16th. >> Okay. >> But you know, she was real mean to me for a long time. And you know, it was hard. I was having trouble dealing with it, you know. >> Yeah. >> When she separated, she was screwing around with me. And she decided to like make it look like I was a bad guy. >> Mhm. and she was saying that I and she even told um Natalie, you know, I we're always there together. Like there's not, >> you know, she told Natalie I threw knives at her, you know, you know, I've never thrown a knife at anybody. I mean, um it was weird. you know, she wanted excuses to justify her behavior >> didn't exist. She decided that she wanted to be single and that's what she told me. >> Yeah. >> And she even wrote a note. I mean, she wrote us this between the the 15th and the 16th between these two guys, she she wrote that morning after the first guy and the kids saw it before I did. She wrote this big note. she's a terrible person and she doesn't deserve us and just it was just crap. It was like a breakup note or something. She insisted >> she just left it at the house or >> Yeah, she left it on the kitchen counter, you know. >> Okay. >> She's like, um, I deserve someone much better than her. You know, sometimes I agreed with that, you know, and I told her no, you know. >> Yeah. So, have you guys been communicating a lot trying to work this stuff out or >> Yeah, it's sometimes No, mostly it's just me. >> Okay. >> Like I just communicate and she's just ignores me or >> just gives me a few words like >> I've been kind of pathetic, you know, but I just haven't cared cuz I'm just hoping that it'll stick, >> you know. >> Pathetic is indeed a word for how he's been acting. Lauren had repeatedly been trying to leave Paul, but every attempt was met with a barrage of texts and videos begging for her to stay, like the ones you're about to see. Because if we had to see them, so do you. >> I don't care what you did. I'm sorry about what I did. Just please [cough and laughter] come home. [gasps] I don't want I don't want to rest by myself. And I love you. I work two jobs. I'll do anything. I won't be here. I'll be working all the time. Just come home. Please. Please come home. >> Watching those, you might feel a little bit bad for Paul. He is, as he described, pathetic. But this is a classic tactic used by toxic partners. They damage beyond repair and then use guilt, manipulation, and crocodile tears to lure their victims back. However, when Paul sent all of those videos around November and December of 2017 in the weeks leading up to Lauren's murder, she was done being lured back into his traps. And like any power obsessed partner, that wasn't going to fly with him. So, what is the status with your your separation right now? What what was the the plan? Were you going to try and get back together? Was it moving towards a divorce or what? >> Well, what direction was it? She was pretty adamant about it, of course. And you know, she wanted me to do the paperwork. >> Mhm. >> And so I did start doing the paperwork, but it was really hard. And I got done with the initial parts, but I still had to do the financials. >> Okay. >> And I got the financials together and I just started having panic attacks, you know. >> So I told her, you know, I had to take a break from it. And she's like, that's fine. you know, and I'm like, "Why don't you do it?" She's like, "Why don't you do it? You You have more time than I do." >> She just wanted me to do it. >> Yeah. >> She didn't want to do it. >> When [snorts] was that stuff going on >> about the divorce? >> Yeah. >> Since we separated. >> Okay. But as far as actually filing the paperwork, has that been like the last couple weeks or >> anything >> or trying to fill out the paperwork? Sorry. >> Oh, no. I started filling it out a month ago, maybe. Okay. >> Um, you know, because at first I was angry, you know, when she first moved out and she wanted me to do the paperwork and I'm like, fine. You know, I'm, you know, it was a little easier. >> To say he was angry would be an understatement. In addition to the sobbing, begging videos that Paul sent to Lauren, he also sent ones that were well, not so nice. >> I'm having beer, but I'm not wasted. I'm very upset. I put up the [ __ ] for years. I didn't realize it because I was blind. And that's what this is about. And I'm angry. And my children are angry. My baby's angry. And it's hard for me to live with. It's very difficult. It's all about shutting you down. But in Boseman, there's all these young 30somes [clears throat] with tons of money that Lauren's chasing. She loves that. and she's gonna step up from me and our family and get ahead. I'm angry. I don't want her to keep her job. I would like to protect the community from her. I'm sure I will be an outcast now because, you know, who tells the truth anymore, right? >> The videos were just the beginning of Paul's obsessive messages to Lauren. >> When was the last time you actually went over to the residence in Belgrade? [snorts] >> It's been a while. like the first week she moved, which would have been when roughly the third week of September, maybe. So, you haven't been to that neighborhood since midepptember. >> I don't think so. I don't remember doing that. I think that's it. [snorts] So, what what was the context of all the texts that you're sending her that she's not responding to? You send her three, four, five. >> They vary. >> Would they be considered Would someone consider those kind of argumentative or hostile or irritable text messages? >> Mostly not. Probably pathetic. Um, [clears throat] most of them, but yeah. Um, but every once in a while I might send her a kind of a hostile one. Okay. usually in response to her saying be hostile. >> What about last night? Were any of those hostile or irritable or argumentative? >> I don't think so. >> But you texted her several times and she only responded >> once or twice. So, I'm just curious to what extent in your opinion do you think you said you text her like you have OCD or an OCD type mentality when you text her? Sometimes you have this anxiety issue that's popping up. To what extent does that play into your interaction with her? >> You just text her. >> Well, you text her a bunch of times and she's only responding a few times, so I'm sure that gets under your skin. would get under my skin. >> Sometimes it gets under my skin. Sometimes I don't expect her to text or one or two. I just want to like vent [snorts] >> and and I'll tell her that too. Sometimes I'll be like, "Yeah, I know. I'm just venting." You know, or sometimes I'll annoy her and I'm like, "Yeah, I was just venting. Don't worry about it. You don't have to respond." Cuz I'm sometimes you're like, "I don't have time to respond to all this." I'm like, "You didn't have to. I just need to get off my chest." So, >> okay. [snorts] Well, I'm I guess I'm a little confused because it doesn't really it doesn't really job you. You say on the one hand that you're trying to give her space. You're trying to give her time. You feel like she's punishing you, but on the at the same time, you're texting her multiple times. You're venting on her and you keeping you said you're tired of the not right now thing. You want her to come home. So, >> so what what is it? >> What's what >> So, what's the story? I'm just trying to figure out how exactly is it that you're uh interacting with her. Are you giving her space or you not giving her space? >> Well, I mean, by definition, she has space because she doesn't live with me anymore. Um, in terms of texting her, I realized that that doesn't provide her, you know, that space, but I just haven't been able to. I do sometimes. There's been times where I haven't text her much. It just depends. M >> sometimes I haven't text her for a few days or maybe even a week once maybe. But then other times I do and a lot of times it depends on how we're getting along too and we've been getting along better and so then I text her more. >> Okay. So you have been getting along better. >> Yeah. >> Space was truly the last thing that Paul gave Lauren when she moved out of the house on November 16th. He ordered a tracking device for her car, stalked her via an app he downloaded on her phone without her knowledge, and sent her walls of texts nearly every day. Some of those texts were guilt trips reading things like, "I am a pathetic piece of crap now. I am completely alone." While others were walls and walls of random letters and numbers sent one after the other in an attempt to get her so annoyed she would answer. Romantic, right? When cops press him on the fact that it appears he was giving her no space at all, he pushes back. Look, I don't I didn't do anything. And you know, I want to just go on with my I don't I'm not going to sit here and you know, just >> I I didn't do anything. >> Paul, I'm trying to understand this is what you've explained to me and clearly I'm not getting the picture. So, I want you to clarify it for me. >> I I don't know why this stuff matters really. It's uh [clears throat] >> Wow. >> It matters to us cuz we got to get the whole picture. >> I don't know what the mother and your daughter. Why why would you say it doesn't matter? >> Why would I say that my conversations and texts to mother and my daughter don't matter? >> Yeah. >> Why would they matter to anybody but me and her? You know what? What? Why would they? >> What do you mean? >> Do do you who cares about what I say in my text and why I want to text my wife that I'm going through stuff with? Like why does that even matter? >> You know, I'm not saying anything bad. you know, >> I didn't say you said anything. >> I've never threatened her, you know. Um, we just have a relationship. That's it. And I didn't yell at her on the birthday. She yelled at me. >> She threw stuff at me. That's what I said. That's what happened. >> Okay. But you can understand why this matters. Certainly. Why? What matters? Why we're talking about this. So, this is a a surprise to you, right? I mean, they >> What did the Boseman police officers tell you when [snorts] they stopped you this morning? >> One of them told me that they're investigating the homicide. >> And then they put bags on your hands. Right. >> Right. >> And then you've been sitting in here for hours. >> Yeah. >> So, clearly you knew something was wrong. >> Definitely. >> So, why are you telling us that this is all a complete surprise and you don't understand why any of this matters? It's not really a a response that [snorts] I would expect. >> Okay. >> So, can you help me understand that? >> No, I don't know what you're trying to understand. >> Just what I explained to you. Your response doesn't make sense in context to what's going on. >> Okay. Well, that's okay. I don't always make sense. I do the best I can. So, as things were getting worse, was it ever a physical type of issue or >> every pushing? >> Yeah, she every once she'd push me or throw something at me. Um Um >> she, you know, but that was it. That wasn't too bad. [snorts] Okay. back during all that time. Anything happened that pushed you to the point that you lost your temper with her? >> Yeah, I've lost my temper with her before, but I didn't do anything to her. >> Okay. So, in those times where you you [snorts] just been pushed to your limit, what does losing your temper look like? >> Um, >> for you? >> Oh, yelling. yelling. >> Yeah. And that's the thing that I promised her. It's like I I will never raise my voice in anger again. Like I made a big breakthrough in counseling. Like I never did that before. It just became a thing with her. >> Yeah. >> Like somehow we just got I got in this bad habit of that. Like in the initial times when we first got married and were kind of going through stuff, she wouldn't let me leave. Like I would go to go for a walk or run or something to get a break and she would just go up and yell at me outside. It was embarrassing. >> So [snorts] I ended up getting this thing where I yell back. And finally I I just in you know I made this breakthrough and I never yelled at her again. But that was in was like in November in counseling, [snorts] you know. Okay. And then then she left. So it really didn't matter. But, you know, >> anything at all that might be on her phone or your phone or anything like that that [snorts] you might want to explain that might appear bad. Any arguments where things were said that whether they were meant or not, anything like that that you can think of? Well, she went through a phase of making accusations that were not true. >> She quit doing it. It was to justify what she was doing. >> No, it was before she moved out. >> No, maybe it was before she moved out. She may have done it a couple times. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What kind of accusations was she? She said I and um I pointed a gun at her face. What she said after that guy said it and I didn't do that and she was there and she saw I didn't do it and and the kids did and then next thing you know she's saying I did that to her. I don't remember she told me I did that to her or if she told Natalie. I don't remember for sure. >> Okay. I I think she told me that when she told me how the knife one, but it never happened. >> Okay. So, she told you after the Airbnb thing, >> I think so. >> That one? >> Maybe when I moved to dad or when she moved out. I'm not sure. But she was going like, I was just the worst person in the world all of a sudden. And >> I have a feeling she just had to have something good for her friend to like back her up or something. >> You know, Lauren, I love her. I love, you know, >> so much. But she, you know, she could very be very dishonest at times and >> um very manipulative at times. She's very charming. Yeah, she is. >> Yeah. I still love her, though. [snorts] So, she made one, thinking back to all the things you said, she made the one accusation that you pointed a gun at her head after the Airbnb incident sometime. >> Yeah, she said her face, but >> her face. Perfect. Um, and then made one other accusation that you threw knives at her. Is that right? >> Yep. I threw knives at her. and she told Natalie that. >> Mhm. >> Which is >> my 17-year-old. >> 17-year-old. >> Neighbors reported seeing Paul attack and berate Lauren on more than one occasion. At one point, a neighbor saw Paul attacking her with a fold out couch section as he screamed at her. Co-workers noticed injuries in the shape of fingers on Lauren's forearms time and time again. But she would dismiss it, saying she had fallen. And while Paul may try to shrug off his neighbors agreements that he was violent, he actually recorded evidence himself that he was. Here is a conversation between him and Lauren taken shortly before her murder. >> You took in the mug. You threw it at my face when you hit me in the eye. You th glasses at me. You in the bathtub. You mean when I was pregnant? I was 4 months, 5 months pregnant with her. But if it wasn't who you are and the fact that you hate who I am, >> it wouldn't come out because I've been drunk and I've never ever hurt you and I've never hurt anyone. You do not like me. No, you don't. You've always wanted to change who I am. >> From the fact that I stick out my tongue when I eat to the way I dress now. When Paul began working as a stay-at-home dad, he grew obsessed with controlling aspects of Lauren's life. Who she talked to, what she wore, what she said and did. No longer holding any financial power over her, he eventually turned to using her own kids against her. Before police dig into that, however, they ask where the relationship soured in the first place. I think um she had an amazing job that she had she loved and she could do a lot of cool things and >> she got interest in other people and she became less interested in being a 35-year-old mother of three. I mean, she was going to give me child support. Like, that's how bad she wanted a divorce. She was going to give me $600 a month child support. She was going to give me full custody of kids. Okay, there you go. I mean, that's another reason. Why would I hurt her? >> She's going to give me the kids full-time and give me $600 a month on child support. >> That was what she wanted to do. >> And I >> But it doesn't sound like that's what you want. >> You wanted to be together, >> right? >> That's what I wanted. >> But I mean, I would have taken that. I mean, I wouldn't have hurt her. So, in all of this time that you guys have been separated and and she's been going out, you said she was acting like she was single and all that. Do you know of um was she going out with people or [snorts] >> Yeah, she was going out like um Yeah. Yeah, she's going with people and she would just stay late, you know, with whoever, you know. It was a while before >> I investigated, you know, like I started having suspicions, >> probably it was kind of early. It was probably end of March, middle of Aprilish because she would mention some guy's name a lot like she's really something about and very interesting and then all of a sudden not mention his name anymore but then it would come up that like um he came to the bank and took her out to coffee kind of thing. Mhm. >> Um all of a sudden like and you know I was like you know why don't you you know why don't we get together with a couple or something you know like stuff like that and she'd always just be like yeah you know but never did. She wanted to keep me separate. >> Paul had an obsession with the thought that Lauren was cheating on him. So much so that he began showing up uninvited to work meetings, lunch hours, and conferences that his wife attended. As we stated earlier, he had a tracker put in her car and used that to follow her from location to location to, as he put it, keep an eye on her. Following the separation, he claims to have caught her cheating on him. Take everything he's about to say with a whole gallons worth of salt. >> What um did you ever actually catch her with somebody else? >> Yep. >> You don't mind telling me about that? >> Yeah. um at uh Old Chicago. Um she was I could tell she was drunk texting and she kept delaying when she was going to get home and she's like, "You know, you're right. Like she's being all nice to me." And it was weird because she been very nice to me lately. I got suspicious and I went and waited there and she came out. >> How'd you know that she was at Chicago? Um >> her phone. We both shared our locations on our phone. Well, she told me she went there, too. >> But like I could tell because we shared locations on our phone. >> Okay. So, you could look [snorts] on the map and see where she was at. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Usually, I mean, you know, I mean, there was a couple times where I it didn't work. You know, sometimes it didn't work. You know, that was a turning point because that was the first time like I started actually going to see if she was where she was. Like that never happened before. That was the second time I ever did it in our entire marriage. And the first time she wasn't where she said I didn't see anything though. And then she got home a little bit before me. And then [snorts] the and I told her where I went, you know. And then the second time the car old Chicago. [snorts] Yeah. I opened the door and I um was was like, "What are you doing?" And I was talking to the guys like, "This is my wife. We have three kids." And I'm like, I pulled her out of the truck and she could barely stand up. She was so drunk. And the guy came around and started attacking me. So I fought him off and I fight him off over and over. >> Was he drunk, too? >> Um, he was a little bit. >> Did you recognize him or know him? >> No, but I found I I found out he is the treasury manager guy. >> Kevin was a co-orker of Lawrence, and to this day, he claims that there was nothing romantic between the two whatsoever. They were longtime co-workers and friends. And that night, they decided to meet up at a local bar. Paul then confronted Lauren and took her phone where he then sent Kevin dozens of texts posing as Lauren, saying things like, "I love my family, and I just puked my guts out into the sink after begging my husband for forgiveness. But Paul, Lauren, and Kevin weren't the only ones hurt by this incident." Because when Paul went to confront his wife after stalking her, he brought along their 15-year-old son, John. The audio you are about to hear involves him. their 17-year-old daughter and Paul all confronting Lauren about her alleged infidelity. >> You can so many times when you give in and you give in and you give in. >> Not because you are you may feel that. >> But I have a on my arm that will never go away. I HAVE BRUISES ON MY ARM RIGHT NOW THAT WILL never >> Paul clearly did everything he could to turn the kids against Lauren, but he didn't stop after the first incident. Just 22 hours later, he followed Lauren to the same bar with another co-orker who drove there with her to meet up with others from their office. >> I caught her in the car with one guy and then I caught her right here in the parking lot with another guy. >> Which parking lot? >> Uh I think it's one coming on Dickerson, but I'm not sure. >> You mean here in the lawn justice center? >> Yeah. Yeah. Here's this is the destination for Leadership Ozman there. >> Oh wow. Okay. That's when you said here. I was like here >> there's a law justice center. >> All right. So tell me how that >> why was I forgot about that? >> Because she said um it was they were still in session here and she wasn't going to go drinking after. She come straight home and it'd be 5ish and she told me that like 4:20. Well, I looked on the website cuz there Boseman has her agenda and it said it was over at 4:00 and they were going to go to Old Chicago for drinks. I think it was Old Chicago. It was somewhere. And then so I drove over here and she was in another dude's truck and as I pull up she they she saw my truck and she jumped out of that guy's truck. He had a big black truck and tinted and really big and you couldn't really see in. And I went up to the passenger side and he acted real like kind of neutral in a weird way and I was like, you know, I just pulled off a guy last night, just so you know. And he just looked her like, "What?" And I got the feeling like the first guy she'd been doing stuff with for a while and the second guy she'd been knowing stuff for a while. And the second >> they didn't know about each other or you. >> Yeah. Well, he probably knew about me because she told me like the first guy she had been showing him pictures that night of us, you know, and she'd met his fiance. >> Really? >> Yeah. She met his fiance in Billings, you know, they she'd eaten with him in Billings and she's like, "He's not my type." Cuz I was already getting suspicious about him. She's like, "He's not my type." And besides he loves his fiance and you know, so anyway, the second guy, you know, I asked him what his name was, but he wouldn't tell me and I didn't know who he was. So, >> did you see a license plate or anything? >> I [snorts] didn't think about it. >> You didn't recognize him at all? >> No. >> According to the other man, Paul arrived and began berating him and Lauren, trying to fight with them and calling his wife every name in the book, furious and wanting to defend her, the man struck Paul, and the two tussled before Lauren drove off, leading Paul away from the fight. After that incident, which took place on November 16th, Lauren left for good. In response, Paul used the kids against her again, sending her this video of their kids, asking how they felt about mommy leaving. >> Was it my fault? Was I a bad husband to Lauren? >> No. Are you glad it's just going to be me, you, Jill, and now? >> Why? >> Because mama moved away. >> Yeah. >> At this point in the interrogation, police ask him for his timeline. And according to him, the day of the murders, he was working on a construction project and was home with his son. Both of the kids, the 17-year-old and 15-year-old John, back up his statement. However, police know better because they had two different pairs of bloody footprints at the scene. And those footprints match shoes that both Jon and Paul were photographed wearing. Knowing that Paul not only killed his wife, but wrapped his son up in his actions, police give him one last chance to do the right thing. Well, Paul, like like I mentioned before and I want to reiterate this just so that you know for your own peace of mind that obviously this is this is the most serious offense that can happen anywhere especially in a community like ours where this doesn't happen >> every day. This isn't something that >> we take lightly >> right. Um, so I want you to understand when I said this was going to be an exhaustive process, this is, you know, the whole CSI process that you see on TV, this is where it really comes to fruition. >> Okay? So for people that are involved in this, for victims that are involved in this, for witnesses that are involved in this, for suspects that are involved in this, uh essentially every centimeter of your life is examined. >> And that's really good news for the witnesses and the people who are not involved because it helps us eliminate the people that are not involved in this. So everything from uh the tracks on cell phones to tire impressions in the snow, foot impressions in the snow, fiber analysis, car uh analysis with black lights, hairs, I mean spots in between the treads of shoes, everything that you [snorts] can possibly think of is examined. And we do that, like I said, to disprove and eliminate the people that aren't involved because that's what the family and friends of victims want, >> right? What that also does clearly, it shows us who is involved. Um, and so [snorts] again, it's important that you understand that. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm going to ask you right now. I'm going to look you right in the face. I'm going to ask you, were you involved in this involved in this crime? >> Oh. >> Did you hurt Lauren? No. >> Did you hurt Lauren at all? >> No. >> Okay. Can you think of any reason why there would be evidence that would suggest that you were there and did this? >> No. I wasn't there. >> Okay. Do you know who was? >> No. >> Do you know anything about this? >> No. >> You think I did it? You know, I didn't do it. Um, I hope that matters, you know. I hope everything, you know, it was okay. >> Yeah. >> And I hope you figure out who did it. >> Yeah, that that's my biggest hope. >> But, um, it's hard for me right now. Um, I'm split and my primary thing right now is thinking about my kids. >> Yeah. >> You know, that's my primary thing right now. It's been like that for a long time and and that's still my concern. Um, and it's always been my number one concern and Lord knows that. >> Paul holds out until the very end, but ultimately it's the very kids he used as a weapon that become the ultimate weapon against him. 15-year-old John was questioned by police, and it didn't take long for him to tell the truth. >> Your shoe prints, those bootprints, you and I both know the bootprints. They're at both places. >> They think you were involved. Come on, son. >> Help me understand why you were there. >> Sis, come with me now. Don't need to go. Get in the car. >> What'd you hear? That night, Paul forced his young son to get in a car and go with him to his mother's home. He pushed Paul through the door first, then told him to wait downstairs as he snuck upstairs and fired five rounds, four into Lauren and one into the roommate Ashley to eliminate her as a witness. When they got home, Jon was forced to reconcile with the fact that Lauren had just been shot and he was incapable of stopping it. On top of that, his own father sat him on the couch and told him not to incriminate him because he didn't want to find out the consequences of that. Ultimately, in part, thanks to his children's [music] testimony, Paul was sentenced to 220 years behind bars. Our thoughts are with the loved ones of Lauren Dewise and with all people who have tried to escape domestic violence [music] situations. Thank you for tuning in. Besides subscribing to help us make more videos exactly like this one, you can also listen to all of our crime podcasts over on Spotify. And before you go, check out one of the craziest cases I've ever covered right here, or one of my newest uploads right here.