Hey, I'm with Long View, please. Okay. >> What am I doing? My name is Alexander Rogers. >> I don't mean no trouble, official. >> No problem. >> This is 51-year-old handyman Alexander Lee Rogers. He's just been stopped by Washington police with officers unaware that in 2 hours from now, he's about to commit a massacre. >> There's blood everywhere in the house. >> I can do it. I was outside smoking a cigarette. >> Trying to kill two of his own clients and triggering a nationwide manhunt. Police are searching tonight for an armed and dangerous man. They say two people, >> forcing police to chase an armed psychopath in a thousand-mile chase across three states, threatening to devastate anyone in his path. >> Man wanted for murder here in Washington is now believed to be on the run in Southern California. >> Somebody said here for a murder warrant. You know, I was like, there's no possible way cuz I don't kill nobody. On August 5th, 2025, police in Washington were alerted that a medical panic button had been pressed at the home of 64year-old Don Peters and her brother-in-law, 73-year-old Andrew. Just seconds after the alert came in, a call followed detailing that a horrific scene had unfolded in the home. Dawn and Andrew, who went by Leroy, had both been stabbed and were barely clinging to life. Police raced to the scene where they first met the woman who called 911, a relative who had been living in the home, and witnessed the aftermath of the stabbing firsthand. >> I'll talk to this person here with her. >> I can do it. >> Okay, hold. >> I was smoking a cigarette. >> Who Who were who are you to this house? >> I'm um actually her not her real sister, but a friend. >> Okay, so who was here that's no longer here? Who? >> You just you just immediately said that you didn't do it. >> Okay. So, who's who is not here anymore? >> The guy who who's tall. >> Were you the one that called? >> I'm the one that called. Yes. I'm the one that called. >> He's tall. And I asked him what happened. He go I don't know. He flew. >> Where did he go? >> I don't know. I didn't see that part. >> You said he flew. Did he fly that way? Like run that way? I'm I'm guessing how Leroy would know. He's hurt. >> Tino. Tino. He's She's saying that Leroy will know what happened. Whoever Leroy is. >> He's an ele. >> Okay. So So he went that Did he get into a car or something? >> He I was sitting right over there smoking my cigarette. >> But does this person have a car? >> I don't know. I literally said he had a box knife. >> Who is Who was this person though? Did he show up after you were outside? He showed up when I was Oh, good. I got TO GET THE DOG. >> OKAY, grab the dog. >> Come here, pup. >> Don't run after her. She's >> Go ahead. >> You little [ __ ] >> Me? >> No. >> Oh, the dog. >> I just called my sister Jody and she's on the way over here. >> So, real fast, I want to get this confirmed. Okay. You were already outside when this person showed up. >> I was in the I was in a prison doing my application for my college. >> Okay. >> And then then I came out here and smoked a cigarette. >> Okay. >> And then he flew. >> So the guy was already inside and you didn't know him. >> At first, police were wary of her story. A tall man whom she didn't know threatened her after stabbing Dawn and Leroy and then sprinted off. But soon they'll get confirmation that that's exactly what happened. And the fact that no one in the home knew him except for the victims only makes this case more complicated. >> Is my sister okay? >> I don't know who everybody is in here. Okay, we're going to get to the bottom of this. Do you know if your sister was expecting any visitors today? >> No. >> Okay. I'm going to have you guys stay back at your vehicle. Okay. >> I have We're trying to get to the bottom of that. We just showed up. So, >> as far as we know, that's what that's what it sounds like. Do you know who might have done this? >> I don't know. Can you please sit in your vehicle? We'll talk to you here in a Okay. >> Police enter the home where they're met with a violent scene. Dawn sadly is deceased, stabbed several times. Her life was taken from her in her own home where she was caring for elderly relatives. She had survived cancer twice only to die in what should have been the safest place in the world for her. Not far from her, Andrew, who again goes by Leroy, was clinging to life but unable to speak. The sheer violence of the attack on two elderly individuals has police reeling and desperate to catch their attacker fast. >> You need to get someone headed to Southwest or we have two victims. The only one that >> is actually going to get medical care is going to apply this nursing home. Is this a nursing home or what? >> At this point, police are aware that there are at least two other elderly people in the home, which gives them hope. Whoever committed this violent act needs to be caught and fast [music] before they can get their hands on anyone else. They hope the witnesses can provide information. Unfortunately, the witnesses proved to be more confusing than helpful. Did some people come into the house? >> Well, I come last one. She was >> a representative from the school board. >> Making sure everything go right. >> Okay. I don't understand what you're talking about. I apologize. A schoolboard representative. I'm trying to find out these folks. >> The elderly gentleman repeatedly asks police to call his wife. So, the officer rushes outside, hopeful that maybe somehow the man's wife saw what happened or is at least more comprehensible than her husband. >> Ma'am, can I talk to you? >> I'm sorry. Just listen this over here. >> You're you're okay. >> I don't know if you need it. >> Ma'am, can you come over here? >> I'm trying to find out find Richard's wife. >> Richard? He wants He wants somebody to call his wife. >> No, he's she's dead. >> Okay. >> Your only real witness being an elderly man with dementia who believes his wife is still alive isn't exactly a great situation to be in. The people that we have for witnesses don't have the ability to give us information investigation. >> I have a person. I have a witness in here. Great. >> He can't tell us anything. What we need to do is find out if any house around here has a camera. >> Okay. Every available officer runs to nearby homes, hoping to see if they caught the killer on camera. If he's on foot, they need to secure a perimeter and warn neighbors. And if he's in a car, well, then they've got an even bigger issue. However, first, officers are bombarded by family arriving on the scene. >> Where's dad? >> Dad's in the house, I guess, because >> he did it. Huh? >> He did. He just did Leroy and Don. That was it. What the hell's going on anyway? Somebody just walked in your home and can do that. >> No, they can't. But they do. >> Evidently, I didn't know she had any enemies. She'll have no enemies. [laughter] >> You got someone on the way to chat with you. Okay. >> I know. It's my sister-in-law. I know. [laughter] I'm I don't even know if he want me. >> I know. >> Is my brother going to move? >> I don't know. He's in Vancouver the way it sounds. >> I want to go in and see her. [laughter] >> No, you can't. You can't. >> No, Jody. No, you can't. >> You don't want to see her like that. >> You will get your Yes. >> You don't want to go in there now. No. >> No. >> You don't want to remember her like that. Remember her how she was. The family's grief is palpable and their inability to think of a single person who would want to hurt their parents has police even more worried because the scariest motive of all is no motive. Fortunately, nearby a neighbor has footage to show detectives. >> Is there something we can record? >> It looks like he's wearing shorts to me. >> Okay. But I can send it to you if if you take a video of a video. It's It's really >> Yeah, we can do both. >> Yeah. Here's my card. You can email that to me. Um, so he's got shorts on and it looks like a white shirt and a jacket. >> Can you zoom in on that if you Yeah. >> Yeah. It gets really bad because that's already me zoomed in. >> Yeah. >> And soon they get word that Leroy, who is being lifellighted, managed to give a detail about the killer. Not his name, but who his father was. >> The guy who's still alive says >> this guy's brothers. Sorry. The guy who's still alive says >> the person who did this, his dad is Larry Rogers. >> So, it's Larry Rogers son is the person who did this according to the victim. >> Okay. >> So, we got to figure out who Larry Rogers is, who his son is. We got a son that's 6 foot bald, 62 and bald. >> We need to look up Larry Rogers and Spillman is what we need. >> I'm on it now. >> And find out if we can just start narrowing down this gray truck and 6'2 bald guy >> workwise. Yeah. Armed with that information, police raced to the home of Larry's son, Alexander Lee Rogers, a man who has been in prison not once, but twice. First, when he was just 18 for kidnapping a woman and assaulting her, and again when he was in his early 20s for attacking two people inside their home with a machete. In fact, in between the first and second conviction, he was only free for a single day before reoffending. And at the time of this footage, as police try to find him, he hasn't even been out of prison again for a month. It seems like he's itching to go back. And unfortunately for police, his roommate isn't all that helpful. >> Desperate to find him, police look through all their documents on him. And when they do, they find something shocking. They had encountered him just hours before the murders took place. A few miles away, one of the officers who was actually on the scene of the murder investigation had pulled him over, but he had let him go. And then the unthinkable happened. >> I don't mean I don't mean no trouble. I got no problem. >> No problem. >> Hey, I'm Sergeant Tina Long View. Please just notice being audio and video recorded. >> What? >> Oh, okay. >> I'm with Long View Police. I'm Sergeant Chris Tino. >> Huh? >> My contacts with you is being audio and video recorded. Do you understand that? >> Yes, I am. >> Oh, okay. >> What am I doing? I'm not >> So, the car that you just got out of, is that your car? >> Well, uh I'm actually It's uh my uncle's and uh it's going to be getting registered. >> Yeah. It's not stolen. >> Yeah. >> I got the warrants for my arrest. So, I mean, >> what's your name? >> My name is Alexander Rogers. >> Alexander. Okay. You have switched license plates on that. >> Switch license plate. >> Yeah. >> Well, uh Okay. The thing is about that the other license plate that on the back uh is actually in the passenger side cuz since uh I have the the license plate that's on the back right now is actually registered to me and the tags are from uh VW. I have >> Volkswagen. Yeah. And they're switch. And that's a B. That's a BMW. >> So, let me just take them off. >> So, yeah, let's go back over there and get those taken off. I'll meet you back over at the car. >> Okay. Yeah. >> The officer goes to meet him at the car, completely unaware of how dangerous the man in front of him is. Completely unaware that if he had acted, he may have been able to stop a murder from unfolding. >> The car got checked on the other day. I got pulled over and uh they checked the car and they checked me out. I have no warrants. >> Yeah. So, >> did they have did you have the wrong plates on it at that time? >> Well, I actually had the BMW plates on it. >> Uhhuh. >> And they asked me how long I've had it. I said I've had it for two days. >> Yeah. >> So, there's a lady at the DMV says uh the place to go with me on the next car that you pay for or just get to transfer. >> Yeah. >> This car. That's what I was planning on doing. >> I don't mean I don't mean no trouble. I'm not getting no worries. >> No problem. >> So, [clears throat] right now, you're not licensed to drive. Okay. You don't have a driver's license. And this car is expired. The regular plates. And then, as you know, these belong on a Volkswagen. >> Yes. >> So, you can't switch those around until you go to DMV. If they'll switch over to the BMW, then that's fine. It's going to cost 360 bucks to do it. >> Oh wow. >> Um I'll just I'm uh this this is one time I was going to go shopping and then go do it. >> Yeah. I mean no harm to nothing. >> No problem. >> I mean I have no warrant. >> Hey, I appreciate it. I'm going to let you go. Just make sure you get the plates off. Okay. >> Of course. Uh >> all right. Thank you. I'm sorry. No trouble. >> No problem. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Armed with the information that they've let a murderer slip through their fingers, police are desperate to find him. But by this point, he's long gone. >> Police are searching tonight for an armed and dangerous man. [music] They say two people. >> Man wanted for murder here in Washington. Is now believed to be on the run in Southern California. >> Tracing his movements down the five freeway, police knew that he had fled somewhere in California, which meant he was surrounded by potential victims with nothing else to lose and no money to his name. After putting out a nationwide bolo for his arrest, police were stunned to receive a message from Los Angeles County police that they had located his car parked in the most evil of places. Being on the run for a heinous crime is obviously terrible. Parking your abandoned car that you fled the scene of the crime from in a Trader Joe's parking lot, where parking is already an issue really just rubs salt on the wound. Alex managed to drive all the way to Calabasas, California, home of the Kardashians, which is neither a secretive or cheap hiding place to choose. Ultimately, LAPD officers took him into custody at the Commons, a shopping center, just 5 days after his life on the run began. Officers from Washington flew down to Los Angeles to meet with Alex in custody, and see if they could get any answers. >> So, I know you've got a lot of questions for me. Probably you're here. You're confused. Maybe, maybe not. Um, >> I don't have a lot of questions actually. >> Okay. >> Well, we've got some questions for you. We got some things to share with you. And so, what I want to do is, um, kind of start by introducing us, our background, and then get to know you. Want to get to know who you are, where you come from. Does it sound like something you're willing to talk about? >> It's not possible. I'm not going to talk to you that much cuz I don't even know why I'm even here. >> Okay. So, we'll start with me. Okay. size up. Somebody somebody said to me here for a murder warrant. >> Mhm. >> Somebody said something like that. >> Yes. >> I was like, "What the hell is that about?" >> We're here to talk to you about it. >> First, police break the ice, or at least try to break it. But from the very beginning, Alex is as combative as he is stupid, which is really a winning combination for us and no one else. >> Tell me about your family. >> Nothing. I'm not talking about nothing. >> We've talked to your dad a little bit. Seems like a really good guy. >> Yeah, man. What's his name? >> Larry. Cares about you a lot. >> So, you don't know where he is, do you? >> Larry? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Where? >> What do you mean? >> Huh? >> What do you mean? Where is he at? >> Yeah, that's what I mean. Where is the person at? >> Where you came from? Cal County. >> Yes. Where is he at? >> Where's he? >> You might know my dad's name, but you don't know where he's at. >> Okay. Nobody knows where he's at. >> What do you mean by that, Alex? >> That's what I mean. I'm not talking about I'm not talking about my family. I'm talking about me. Why I'm here. >> Why I'm here? Why am I here? I'm not talking about none of my family. My family is nobody's business. >> So, Alex, you've not been in California all that long. Um, what brought you down here? >> Well, actually, I miss visiting. You know, people travel, people visit. I have I haven't been here before, so I just visit. >> Anything down here you coming to see in particular? >> No, not I wasn't I wasn't down here to see anybody. I haven't been here. I just I heard it's a nice place to be though. I was going to check out some beach that I'm not by long beach though in California. But I was gonna [clears throat] No, I was coming down here to visit for a little bit and then I was going to go back down to Washington where I'm from. So I got people down there. So I got nobody here, but I got people in Washington. So >> how do you know Don Peters? >> Don Peters? >> Yeah. >> Don Peters? >> Yeah. >> I don't know. No Don Peters. Okay. What about Andrew Peters? >> Andrew Peters? Andrew? No, I don't know neither one of those guys. >> Okay. You don't know anybody in in Long View on Trumi Lane. >> Who? [clears throat] >> On Trumi Lane. >> I don't even know what that said. >> I I know Long K. So, but there's lots of places long. lots of places. That's it. Now, >> let me ask you a hypothetical question, Alex. If what if I told you I know that you've been to this house I just asked you about because you're on video footage being there and maybe you're confused about what I'm asking you. Maybe you call these people a different name. Slide job you've done there before. Call the people a different name. probably give people a different name. Maybe you done some recent work for anybody. >> Oh, I've done work for people. Okay. >> I've done work for a lot of people. >> Okay. Do you got like a specific client or people that you worked in the last maybe couple months? >> No. You remember? >> No specific client. >> You remember like anybody's name for like maybe like a a roofing shingle type job or something like that in the last month or two? >> What now? like maybe laying some roofing shingles on like a deck or something of that nature or some deck work. Okay. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Can you tell us about that job a little bit? >> Oh, the job is just putting shingles uh on a deck and uh that's it. You know, I learned how to put shingles on roofs when I was younger, but uh that's pretty much how it was. >> Okay. >> You know, >> you know who those those people were? >> What happened? >> Not necessarily. No. >> How'd you get that job? >> Somebody appointed me. So, didn't say anything work. So, through other people. >> Can you be more specific about who? Huh? Can you be more specific about who who who pointed you there? >> Oh, I uh I I just go around asking for odd jobs. I look at [clears throat] court boards at Safeways, stuff like that. I ask around and I go to churches, ask around for odd jobs. Sure. >> So, there's nobody specific that hooked you up with that job with those people. Well, somebody must have known them or something, you know, but uh I go where they tell me to go, but not particularly in the case. I really don't know anybody in Long Beach. So, I go out and ask for ask for work and I go to churches, you know, I get to know those people. But, uh people know people, you know, so people know people know more people than I know people. That's it. I just don't get around that much. I go around restaurants for work. That's all I do. >> How How do you get around? >> How do I get around? >> Mostly I either jog, walk, or ride a bike. >> How do you get to California? >> I travel in what? Uh I travel in bus. Okay. We know that your your black car was in in California, right? You know that [clears throat] Los Angeles County Sheriff Office talked to you a couple days ago, right? This I'm not tricking you. This is straightforward. Well, uh [clears throat] Okay. Well, you know about the black car. I I drove a black car. Sure. It's not mine. >> Okay. What kind of car was it? >> What kind of car? >> Yeah. >> Uh, it was a It was a BMW. Yeah. >> How long have you had that? >> It wasn't mine. >> Okay. How long have [clears throat] you been driving it? >> I probably drove it for about 2 days cuz uh I knew a guy who had it and I was walking and stuff like that and riding a bike. It was just easier for me to get around him. >> Faster, >> huh? Clearly faster, right? >> Faster. >> Yeah. Like car's faster than the light, right? >> Oh, yeah. >> Probably more comfortable. Yeah. >> Especially like rainy weather, things of that nature. >> Yeah. Well, I haven't really pretty much been matted the ring to me. It was faster to get around looking for work. What it was. >> How How'd you get the car? >> How'd you get the car? >> Yeah. >> I asked the the guy who had it way. Nothing bad about that. He didn't have a driver's license and uh he didn't have no insurance on it. So I just asked him if I can easily go around and look for work to find. Wasn't that hard to do that barely I could barely afford to gas for but uh wasn't that wasn't that bad. >> Alex has decided to take the classic guilty approach repeating the officer's questions back to them to buy himself time to come up with an answer. Usually, criminals take that time to come up with something reasonable. Alex hasn't quite figured that part out. By this point, police already know that Alex's father, Larry, was a close friend of Dawn and Leroy. When Alex was released from prison and looking for work, he was the one who introduced him to Dawn and Leroy, who needed help repairing their home. Instead, Alex destroyed it in the worst way possible. But will he be willing to admit that? >> We travel quite a ways to come talk to you cuz we want your side of the story on this thing. There's not a mystery as to why you're here. You know what we're what what you're here for. And I Well, what we're trying to do is talk and get your perspective on this. But in order for us to understand your side of this when I ask when I'm asking this important question, I'm not playing games with you. I'm an honest guy. >> Of course. Um I'm just I'm asking you to just be straight with me and just shoot it straight back. >> You know what I mean? I'm not I'm not trying to put words in your mouth and I'm not trying to do word games. >> Yes. So, >> you got gas at Safeway in Woodland. Is that correct or not correct? >> Well, you just told me you just told me that I knew what I'm here for. I don't know what I'm here for. >> You told me that you knew you're here for a murder warrant. >> Well, that's what they told me. The cops, >> right? So, I'm not saying that you're admitting to that. I'm saying that that's you. >> Oh, hell. I'm not going to commit to that cuz I didn't do it. I'm not. No. >> No. There's no possible way that I would kill somebody. Every every person on this earth deserves to live besides their enemies. Oh, heck no. >> Like I said, we we we came a long way to come here to talk to you. >> Of course, I travel the same way. How about, too? >> Yeah. And so, kind of where I'm at is is the facts of this case indicate you're not being 100% honest with me. And I don't I want to give you that opportunity to be honest with me. One thing that I I picked up on you just talking about your work ethic, you're a go-getter, that you like to work hard and get a task done. Guys like that typically want to be thorough, right? Would you disagree with that? >> Thorough. Thorough. >> Okay. >> Detail oriented. Like you're washing a bunch of dishes, you're going to get the job done, right? You're going to disclose all of your effort. You're going to put all your effort into a job >> cuz that's what honest people do, right? So, um, here's here's where I'm a little bit confused about your responses is you're telling me that you took a bus down here when I know you didn't take a bus. We did a ton of homework, Alex, before we ever got here. >> We know you drove that BMW car down here. >> Okay. Um, >> well, you're fishing and I'm fishing. >> I'm not fishing at all. >> Okay. >> I'm Listen, man. I'm I'm an honest guy and I just say it straight every time. Okay. >> And I'm just seeking truth. I'm not there's no agenda. Um there just isn't I think the truth matters. I think lots of people uh including me, everybody does stuff that they uh they regret. And so I'm trying to talk to you and give you that chance to talk to me. >> Okay. >> And u you know I we'll go to the next one. >> Okay. Okay. Um, [clears throat] I I know that uh you don't not know where your phone's at. You know what you did with your phone and I know what you did with your phone. >> Okay. Well, what did I do with it? >> You put it in a garbage can in front of McDonald's at Woodland. >> Why did you do that? >> Well, so I usually don't Yes, I did do that. >> Okay, that's I appreciate being straight with me on that. Uh well, I really don't normally use it and the battery was going down and I usually because of the battery when the battery goes down, I listen to uh the music that is on the [clears throat] phone itself cuz I go to YouTube music. >> Mhm. So, uh, the battery was going down so much. And once the battery goes down, well, in the car, the the lighter didn't work, uh, to charge up my phone or for me to keep on listening to the phone on the speakers. So, there's no way to charge the phone, you know. Well, since you know, yeah, I got rid of a guy. So, another thing, Alex, is we've we've talked to a lot of people already. Um, talked to some people that you do associate with and they say that you're on that phone quite a bit. So, to me, I find it hard to believe you'd throw that phone away, which you're on quite often according to the people that you associate with because of the the batteries dying too fast. Um, >> who do I associate with? Well, Kenny, Kathy, Ian, Kenny, Matt, >> Kenny, Kenny. >> Okay. The the guy I got the the card from. >> Okay. And who' you say? >> So, Matt. >> Yeah. Just keep keep Alex. I'm not trying to play any tricks on Matt. Matt. >> Yeah. Matt. Matt. Matt from the store. Oh, that guy. Okay. Yeah. So, Alex, I don't buy that you just tossed it because the the battery is going dead. Um, why might you have thrown that phone away? You're a smart guy. Well, who? [clears throat] Well, I don't like phone calls. >> I don't either. >> [sighs and gasps] >> That's well the phone was old anyways. So I mean he's just it I just you know [clears throat] it was just it was just a thought just to put in a garbage can. I don't like calling people for one. I mean it was just a thought of doing it. You know, sometimes when people have thoughts of doing something, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, and they bypass the thought. It was just a thought I did. So, I I just toxic. There's nothing wrong with throwing the phone away. Well, anybody can throw anything away. Sure. >> Alex is not the smartest. Somehow smart enough to know to throw his phone away, which he did not far from the scene of the crime so police couldn't track him. However, he wasn't smart enough to come up with a reasonable lie for why his phone was in the trash can, even though he seems to think he has. >> I'm here and I want to talk to you. I want to get your side of the story. Okay. >> All right. >> What were you doing at the house in Terumi Lane on the 5th, the day that you left, August 5th, the day that you left, and you hit the road to come here? I visited them. >> Okay. >> Because checking for our job. >> A fraud job. >> Odd job work. Yes. >> Okay. I I went there [clears throat] and u knocking on the door since uh she's seen me a couple times. She knows of me regardless because my dad she knows what she knows my dad and I went there to ask for odd job and [clears throat] just uh went there ask for a job for for a little bit talking about Trump and then uh [clears throat] watch a little bit of TV. I was just standing there. But uh after a bit um Don said that he didn't have an odd job for me, you know. So I said, "Okay, I'll I'll come back later." And uh I went to my car, not my car, but that black car and left. That's if I can't handle odd job, I'm just going to go somewhere else. And there's places in town to look for a job. I just got sometimes nowhere. But um I think that's that's all. I stayed there for a little bit and I left. [clears throat] Okay. Yeah. [clears throat] Alex, you know that there's we're living in 2025 and there's there's cameras everywhere. Okay. >> What you're aware of, I guess. >> Okay. >> You have you ever heard of DNA? >> DNA. >> DNA. >> Oh, DNA. >> DNA. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Do you understand that when people go somewhere and they do something or they let's just say for example you're sitting in that chair your DNA is going to be on that chair my DNA is on this chair okay is there any reason that people would have told us that that's not all that happened when you went there that day restroom okay I I peed I washed my hands was there a confrontation A confrontation? >> Yes. >> No. No. I haven't had a confrontation nobody a long time. >> Okay. >> Converration. Yeah. Alex, I want you to be straight with me, man. And you're not. I'm asking you to be straight with me. And you know, you're not telling me everything that happened there. There's more to the story. I'm asking you to tell me that >> a story. What story? I mean, >> there's no story. That's probably a bad way to put it. You're not being straight with me about what happened that day you went there on August 5th before you came to California. >> I went there to go check for an odd job. >> I believe you about that, but you got to tell me everything that happened after that. >> I said goodbye and I went to the car and started the car and left. I mean, I really don't know what else you want to say. I There was a old old man there I called grandpa. I mean, [clears throat] you know, I'm a grandpa, but you're talking about DNA. Yeah, I was there. My DNA probably would have been there. Yeah. If I was walking around in there, I use the restroom. I use a toilet. My DNA was there. >> Of course. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> Anytime you touch something or do something or whatever, you leave something. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> That's true. >> Alex didn't just leave DNA on the clothes in the back of his car, which, by the way, he could have dumped on the side of the road, in a trash can, or literally anywhere in the 1100-mile journey he made from Washington to California. He left blood prints on the steering wheel, the door, and various places inside the car, all of which belong to the victims. >> I'll tell you what I do know. I know you were at Terumi Lane on August 5th. Okay. I know you left that house in your black BMW car at 11:55. >> It's not my car. >> The car you're driving. >> Okay. >> I know you [clears throat] went to Woodland, Washington. Right after that, you got gas. Then I know you went to McDonald's and you walked to the front of the store and you took your phone out and you put it in the garbage can. Well, I went back and I got your phone and I have it. >> Okay. >> Okay. It's a Vortex ZG65 Pro through T-Mobile. >> From T-Mobile. Yeah. Yeah, that's correct. >> Okay. And I know you went to Richfield 7-Eleven after that. >> You spent roughly $20 at the 7-Eleven. You bought some sandwiches and several drinks. >> Yeah. Yeah. You have to, you know, hungry. I had food, unfortunately. Alex, and then I know you came here and I know that you didn't leave your phone in the garbage can cuz you're tired of the battery and you're tired of phone calls. I'm asking you to be straight with me. >> Okay. >> Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I do know that now. Yeah. >> I do know. Um, and we know a lot more, too. And this is why I'm trying to talk to you, man, and get your side of the story. I'm trying to understand why you did what you did that day. >> What did I do? >> Okay. Why are you here? You know what you're told by LAPD, right? >> I was I have a warrant for murder. Yes. That's what they told me. >> So there should be no confusion. >> Yes, there is. >> Okay. What are you confused about? >> Me having a warrant for my murder for a murder. >> Okay. Well, that house had several people that were hurt. Okay. And there are witnesses to what happened there. Okay. And you came up in that. [clears throat] >> What happened? >> There were people hurt. >> Okay. >> There's one dead. your name came up in this investigation. There are witnesses to this. There is a camera across the the uh directly across the house. Okay. And a 911 call that oddly comes out right as you're leaving. Why would we find bloody clothes in your car? Bloody clothes in my car. Correct. The only thing well is the car I was driving for one. That's not my car. It's not my car. I'm >> not asking about the car. I'm asking you find blood on clothes in your car and the whole picture of this investigation and you being named as the suspect. >> I know. That's That's what I've been told. >> Okay. I'm asking you what you know, Alex. I'm asking just for the truth, man. That's it. I'm asking for the truth. And once we get past that, we can talk about why it happened. But I don't think you're a bad guy. I think you you're a hard worker. You're honest. I think you're in a a tough spot right now and you don't want to be in it. But you're not telling me the truth. And there is plenty of evidence. Well, people do keep clothing in their cars and sometimes, you know, they work at spots, you know, that they get cut or anything like that, but uh I'm just I know you're getting up tight right now cuz I can see how you're sitting. >> I'm I'm fine. You don't need to worry about me. I'm asking you to tell to tell me the whole picture, man, because I really do think that you're not a bad guy. I think this this whole thing has a backstory and I want to hear it. >> Okay. Okay. Let me let me say this then. I've been waiting for this. >> Okay. >> Okay. Somebody is Okay. Uh I have a warrant for my arrest for murder. You do? Okay. Okay. Yes. Okay. Now, you state that there's cameras places and [clears throat] there's a you said that there was a camera or something uh see me pulling all over the driveway and >> I'm just asking you to to tell me why. >> Okay. Now, now why >> why did it happen? >> Why? What happened? I didn't Let [clears throat] me finish, please. >> You're You're going to repeat back to me what I've told you. And I already know what I told you. I'm asking you why. >> Okay. For another reason, for for something else. Where is a murder weapon and what was it? >> Doesn't need to be a murder weapon. >> Yes, it does. In order for you to kill somebody, there has to be a murder weapon. >> Okay. >> Exactly. I've already been told this. My dad's been a cop. I've been an investigator for a long period of time. I know my dad studied. I know other people. >> That's your dad. That's your dad. >> And I listen to my dad. >> Okay. >> There has to be a murder weapon in order for someone to be blamed for a murder. And I don't have any of that. So, I mean, that's what I'm trying to get at. Where is the murder weapon? >> I didn't ask. >> What is the murder weapon? >> Alex, I didn't ask you for the murder weapon. I asked you to tell me why you did that. >> Why did it? I did not do anything. Where is the murder weapon? Where is it? What is the murder weapon? Where is it? If you can't tell me that, I'm done. Okay, you know what it is. You don't apparently because I don't know what it is. I didn't do anything. [sighs] Alex, >> you don't know what the murder weapon is or anything. There has to be a murder weapon in order for be somebody to be charged. Period. >> No. >> Yes. >> No. >> There has to be a murder weapon. >> No. >> And there is not no murder weapon cuz you can't charge nobody cuz a murder weapon has somebody's DNA on it, which we talked about, or fingerprints. or even blood on it in order to match it the DNA on him to something else. >> And why don't you just talk to me straight? >> I am You don't have no murder weapon or anything like that cuz I didn't do anything. [clears throat] If you don't have no murder weapon, >> there's a knife in your car. >> If you don't have no murder knife in your car, I don't know if that's >> Yeah, that's a pushing knife. >> That's fine. >> That that that that came out fishing. Go ahead and check that. Please check that knife. Please check that knife. Please no no. Please check that knife for any hea that belongs to any suspect that was or suspect whatever person [snorts] that was in the house. Please check it. Please check that knife. I will be there when you check that knife. >> Okay. >> Do it. No. No. No. Please check that knife. I know what that knife looks like. It's in the black sheath. It's a fishing knife. Okay. Fish. Yes. Please check it. >> Fine. Can you explain the rest of it? >> I explained the rest of what? >> You're there that day. You're there at that time. A [clears throat] call comes out. >> You ain't got no murder weapon, guy. >> Okay. >> You ain't know what it is. >> Okay. >> You found a knife in that car. Fine. >> Yes. >> Let me ask you this. What if the blood on the clothes and the items in your car is Don's blood? >> There there there ain't no blood on any clothes in the car. >> Okay. Well, we have forensic scientists looking at that. >> Okay, fine. >> Alex [clears throat] seems to have learned about a single crime where police couldn't find the murder weapon to prosecute and took that as fact for how every single crime goes. By this point, police already have a warrant for his arrest. They have little to prove. They already know Alex is the [music] culprit, but in his mind, the weapon being missing means he gets to skip off into the sunset. >> There has to be a weapon to do murder. It could be a bat. It could be a knife. It could be anything that could endanger or kill somebody. >> Yeah. >> It could be ice. >> Water burst happen by hand, of course. But that's not the case that we're talking about here. You ain't got no burner weapon cuz I don't know what the hell you're talking about, Alex. You don't know what it is. >> Hear me out, >> please. Yeah, hear me out. >> Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Take a take a breath, man. I get your amped up. You don't need a murder weapon for a murder to happen. Let me rephrase that. This is a pen. Okay? If I hear me out, if I took this pen and I threw it down the hall, it doesn't mean I didn't write notes with that same pen. Those words still went to paper. It doesn't matter if my pen's with me anymore. Does that make sense? So, I'm not I'm not being a jerk. I'm trying to make deliver what I'm trying to say in a way that makes sense. >> You can still stick with that pen and kill them. >> You can, but I'm not talking about a pen being used as a weapon. I'm talking about a pen being used >> Mhm. >> to write something >> and that pen going somewhere else. from being miscarried, >> right? And then it doesn't make it doesn't mean the words that were written on the paper were never written, right? So, a murder can happen. >> The weapon that was used can be discarded, thrown away on the side of a freeway, in a lake, in a garbage can at a a random establishment. >> Doesn't mean the murder didn't happen. Doesn't [clears throat] mean that murder can't be proven. The thing is is there's evidence these days that's just as valuable. Okay. [clears throat] >> You see what I'm saying, man? Like, >> okay. >> Mhm. >> And and in the two hours I've been talking to you, I don't My perception of you is you're not that guy that's going to not own up to something. We talked about how you were raised. We talked about being brought up in the church, but your dad following your dad, right? >> He was a police officer. >> Yeah. >> He was also investigated. >> Yeah. I I ruined his police car when I was younger. Yeah. Or whatever it was. Okay. We'll live up to it, man. That's all. >> Well, that's what >> you doing what you did that day. >> I didn't do anything. >> Alex, I I I literally just told you many, many things that indicate strongly that you did do this. You indicated me leaving the house in my car. That's what you told me that the camera scene. You also talked to witnesses. You also left that house as the call was being made. And then officers showed up at that house and found a a woman dead and a man severely injured. We have witnesses that that are saying that you're involved in this, that you did this. We have camera footage of you leaving at the same time the call came out. You ironically ditch your phone and then you head to California. Alex, I don't think you're confused about this. I think you just don't want to talk about it and I can't force you to talk about it. That's your decision to make. >> The bad cop in the good cop bad cop duo here stands up to take a break and give the good cop a little time to work his magic. And well, it does work something up. I need to get the bubbles up. >> Hey, you need to get the bubbles up. >> Yeah. Yeah, you got >> I tell you what, that was a talk. >> Yeah. >> Well, you guys do that anyways. It's your job. >> Sure. >> Damn. >> There was some things I caught him on, >> right? >> Yes. >> I'm going to go over it again. But I mean, I like you both. Okay. You guys are doing your job. But there were some things I caught him on. But when I went back to it, it got him like like when you catch someone that's guilty and pleading not guilty. I think both too. >> So I this can go both ways. >> Sure. Sure. >> What What were some things you >> I was I was actually want him to find me. Okay. A video or something that shows me that I did something or I'm being blamed for it. Why don't you guys skip out on that wall? I was like, "Show me something about me doing what I did. What you guys are calling me doing?" Sure. And I didn't do nothing. He He kind of clammed up. >> If Alex can come out of the interrogation that he just got absolutely humiliated in, believing that he had the upper hand over the detective and looked like a genius. You can do anything you put your mind to. Alex, on the other hand, is about to find out that he can't because unfortunately for him, police are done with his no weapon, no crime argument. >> Let's Let's talk about what happened that day. What What happened that day? >> See, that's See, that's another thing, too. I want to see a video as I see on him and me being there doing what supposedly had been done. Seriously, because I did not do anything. >> What What do you think's been done? [clears throat] But you told me some person is dead. Someh injured. Well, I'm being blamed for this cuz somebody said my name. Okay. That's the only reason I I got a warrant for my arrest. Alexander Rogers. And so I want to see a videape, something that shows me doing this. Okay? If you guys show that, [clears throat] hey, guess what? I'm guilty. And I was actually talking to him earlier about a weapon. He said, "Oh, not all all all murders, anything like that has to have a weapon involved." Well, there has to be a weapon involved to prove that whatever happened was made or done by a certain weapon. It was done by this weapon. Well, where's the weapon? I have no idea what the weapon is. And then he told me that there was a knife found in in the com building. Ah, guess what? Go ahead and check that knife. Check it all. That's just a fishing knife. That's a knife. It could be what murder weapon. Sure. I know what the knife looks like. I put it there as a blast of teeth. And [clears throat] so, you know, to be honest, real honest right now, that's all we're asking. If you don't have no video of me doing anything or even have an actual weapon and of the accident that even happened, I'm not trying to play a tough guy, but I'm done. I'm done. You're an officer. I want to go back to myself. A video of me doing whatever that I'll blame you to do, which I didn't do or a murder weapon. I'm done. >> We're going to help you out. Get you a get you. Whatever. Not bad. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to I'm not I don't do things like that. I just don't That's not me, guy. I pray for those people. I really do pray for those people. Okay. Oh crap. Oh, let me get one more. Oh, okay. Let me get one more. Is he done? >> Yeah, he's done. He said he wanted to go to >> you. Okay. >> Alex was held in jail while police completed paperwork for his transfer back up to Washington. And for whatever reason, they decided a 17-hour drive would be better than flying back. I get it. LAX is bad. But it's not a 17-hour drive with a soon to be convicted killer bad. However, [music] they had a plan for this drive to get a confession. >> So, it's a long ride like uh my partner >> maybe 7 hours maybe. >> Yeah, be a little longer than that. >> I've done it. I've done it a few times. It's a nice drive. >> So, kind of how this goes, Alex, is uh we we want to treat you right. Just make sure you're treating us right. We respect each other as men and we'll we'll get get through this transport without a bump. Okay? >> If you have any questions, we're here obviously right in the car with you the whole time. If you need something, >> we're going to treat you like a human being the whole way. >> Just let us know what you need. Okay. >> A few hours into the drive, the silence seems to be getting to Alex and he starts to get chatty about the case. >> I do not know what to say. Okay. I don't care what my attorney says. Okay. Uh, I think in some way, okay, some way we're all working on the same side. We're working together, right? >> After some proddding, Alex agreed to speak with detectives [music] and tell them the truth. As long as they took him out for a coffee before putting him in jail, and what unfolded was a brand new story. Is it full [music] of BS like his last one? Well, you tell us. >> I drove from my residence. It's >> video and audio records the same as the toys. >> I drove from my residence on No Beach Highway. uh where where I live at and uh to Don and Dwayne's house and Don and Dwayne Peters and they said I come over any given time, you know, uh from 9:30 on. Okay. >> And uh so I went there I think I got there close to 10:00 and I drove there, you know, parked my car and stuff. I knocked on the door and Don let me in and she says, "Hi, Alex." you know, you know, u my dad's son didn't didn't know my dad. So, I went in, she shut the door, and it's a busy morning for them. You know, Dwayne actually told me uh that uh he's a seventh degree black belt in the martial arts and that sometimes he hates life. >> Okay. >> And uh I was like, why are you telling me this? You know, it's just a conversation having because I was working on the porch and he just like talking, you know. So anyways, getting back to the inside of the house. Uh well, I was there for a little bit, you know, not too long, 15, 20 minutes. Well, I seen in in his right hand amazed me. It was it was it's a it's a scalpel. Uh like that that that the the pull open for surgery. Okay. A surgery scalpel. >> Don't know how long the handle was, but I seen the blade. It it was it was a small like 1in blade. and how how small they are for for doctors to do that. And uh I was like uh he said, "Excuse me." I was like, "Yeah, okay. I don't know what he was up to, you know." So uh he already told me before what he thought about life sometimes, you know, life sucks this and that. And so he uh uh Don was at at her dad and what he did just amazed me. He went behind her and and she turned around and oh my god my she was where I wretched. Uh he turned around and I was like dude what the hell are you doing? Really? And uh he he he pointed that thing at me. He said get out of my house. So he there's a little box on on his wall. It's an emergency box. He pressed a button to on that box and it and it did a little beeping. Whatever they do, it's emergency sound and a voice came from the box saying, "What is your emergency?" Whatever they say. And then Dwayne says, "Somebody is trying to kill us." By that time, I was already ready to throw up. Don was already dead. And uh he said, "Leave." I I I I said, "Yeah, I'm leaving." That's I I left in a hurry. Uh and there's another lady that lives there. She's special, you know, kind of special ed. She was out smoking a cigarette. Well, she went in and she seen this. She was she's like she's like, "Oh my god." I was already out the door down the porch. I was excuse my language, but okay. Uh uh him looking at me telling me that somebody's trying to kill me. You know, somebody's somebody's trying to kill us and looking at me saying that. I was like, well, he's literally pointing at me. I was like, he's telling that box that I'm killing them. Shockingly, Alexander stuck to this story at trial, claiming that Leroy killed Dawn, then tried to kill himself unsuccessfully. But there's multiple problems with that story. Firstly, it's insane. Secondly, Leroy actually survived and was able to tell police that Alexander was without a doubt the person who attacked them. The motive still remains unclear, but with a record like Alexander's, it might have just happened because it was a Tuesday and he was in a bad mood. Ultimately, Alex was sentenced to 41 years and 11 months behind bars for firstdegree murder and attempted secondderee murder. Our thoughts are with all the victims, especially the loved ones of Dawn. Everything we read about her painted her as a selfless, hard-working, giving woman who deserved to live her last days with dignity and all the love that she put into the world. Thank you for tuning in. Besides subscribing to help us make more videos exactly like this one, you can also listen to all of our crime podcasts over on Spotify. And before you go, check out one of the craziest cases I've ever covered right here, or one of my newest uploads right here.