you shouldn't even said nothing now you s here looking all stupid so what we leaving you're not leaving they keeping you here they trying to charge you for a murder this woman is the mother of 12-year-old Sharon Tommy Townsen one of Jacksonville's youngest Killers right now she has just realized that her son is a coldblooded murderer and no matter what he does his life is over you need me to believe that you did not shoot that man that's just not true are you the type of person that just doesn't care about anybody and you're just that evil at 12 54-year-old Thomas Zona Trent was a disabled homeless man struggling to make inss meet in Jacksonville Florida to make his life even worse 12-year-old Sharon Townson would bully the man hurling abuses and coat cans at him and even going as far as urinating on Thomas when he was unconscious after drinking too much but on June 28th 14 things took a drastic turn at 7:20 a.m. A call came in from a local reporting someone shot dead at a vacant business on 103rd Street the unfortunate victim was Thomas who had been shot once in the head finding the ones behind his murder proved to be easier than imagined CCTV cameras nearby recorded two children in the same area as Thomas 5 hours before the murder at 2:25 a.m. one was identified as 16-year-old Daryl Royal Jr and the other Sharon Townsend at first it seemed as if both were involved in the murder but an interview with Daryl ruled him out he was cooperative and his statements matched his movements as seen in the footage instead he implicated Sharon saying that it was his idea to get the gun in the first place even Sharon's own family reported him missing right after the murder but why would a 12-year-old child harass bully and murder someone what could have gone wrong to push him to do something like this soon enough Sharon was called in for an interview to answer these questions in the following footage provided to us by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office the situation is I've got some things we want to talk about with you there's a shopping center up there on 103rd where sometimes the homeless guys hang out you ever run across some of them they ain't there they ever run across homeless gu anywhere well sometimes at the front near Safari store yeah what they know what they go by knew their names cuz Daryl knew the guy named Wolverine they call him Wolverine the tall one right the tall one yeah and that's who I'm asking you dude so you know wolf did you know any of the other guys did you know wolf had a brother no yeah he has a brother did you know any of the other homeless guys that hung out around that sh I knew him because he always used to he always used to walk through the neighborhood yeah did he you know what pan handling is where they beg for money did he always do that sometimes sometimes but usually he be out cutting yours do something sometimes right okay did you ever see a an older man kind of sometimes you'd have a walker um white man older older than smaller and older than than wolf Wolf's kind of a tall guy he gets around pretty good you ever see the guy they call uh Thomas Thomas older older guy stringy hair he kind of he's kind of sickly you know he kind of he got a lot of sicknesses so he I know the black guy name Tommy something like that okay yeah it should be something like that Thomas no I got probably see him first okay I saw I know a lot see this right here although redacted for privacy detectives would spend the next few minutes explaining the situation surrounding Thomas's murder before slowly approaching his involvement in the murder and the overwhelming amount of evidence they have against him here's the point this is a big day for you wants to spend the rest of your life in prison I'm asking you to be honest today so that I can talk to the people I need to talk to and explain to him that a 12-year-old boy might have made a huge mistake being with the wrong person okay you have to understand me I know what happened I'm not dumb this is not my first day there was a it was a while from some years ago I worked a case very similar to this with a young man about your age and it was a terrible outcome same as this terrible outcome okay that young man and his mom were standup people and they came in and they told what they needed to tell okay someone son look at me someone lost their life now I know a lot more than what I'm just telling you I can't tell you everything I know if you're willing to sit down and talk with me I'll spell every dog on thing out for you not going to hide anything from you but today today Chiron Ronnie Tommy Townsen needs to be able to tell the truth do not let someone point a finger at you okay this man was killed by an IND individual you want your name on it or you want Daryl's okay I'm not asking you son if you were there I know you were and all I'm asking you to do now is to tell me the truth about what happen this Man's family deserves it your mom came in that neighborhood because she saw that I put she knew that was you I know it's you I I only put on TV and I'm only showing you a very small portion but if you take the wrong path today it's going to be very very tough on you your mom's trying to raise you right she came out there and found your little behind didn't she to say you're coming home and since whatever day first of the month when she reported you missing she got on her j o like any good mom would do she came out there she found you some kind of way she was calling all kind of people she was calling zarya's dad did you know that zarya must have called you from her dad's phone at some point she called zarya's Dad screaming at him wondering where you were she brought your butt over there to Sherwood so you would not be out there with these hoodlums doing these things right here okay that's why she did it she does not want you in any more trouble and neither do I neither do I I'm not talking rough to you I'm not going to yell at you and I'm not going to scream at you but this Man's family deserves me to tell him the truth and I can't tell him the truth until you're willing to what you're going to tell me do you think I don't already know would I be here tonight with you if I didn't already know this I know this is not what you wanted to do today and I see it in your eyes the tears in your eyes that are about to come out you feel bad for what happened I mean it's a difference in somebody are you the type of person that just doesn't care about anybody and you're just that evil at 12 I don't know any 12-year-old almost 13 I don't know any kid your age that could be evil like that are you evil no I don't think you are I think that you hanging around Daryl has put you in a bad spot I promise it has right now the detective has only pressurized Sharon to set the tone for this interview however she still needs a solid line of questioning that she can use to compound this pressure this will come in the form of the 22 caliber revolver used to murder Thomas after all how did two miners even get their hands on a firearm in the first place I need to know who did what and what happened to the stick as you say know what happened to that gun all right well is it was it Daryl's gun it's not it's not a listen do you think I don't know this already ready you think I wouldn't have been doing my homework if I didn't see this stuff and guess what well I don't know who gun this is right oh that one which one did you see him with that night no was walking he didn't have one it was before that okay well when before that did he pick up a gun and who did he get do you know who he got it from or did he have it hidden somewhere where did he get it from was walking past in the back of Timothy l okay we're sitting right there in a box okay where is Timothy Landing explain tell me where that's out is off 103d there West you can go do a back cut right there okay so y'all were out walking no was first they was already planning to go to the pool so the pool like the pool hall no the pool this is daytime right okay no wait what time cuz the pool Clos n that pool be open that pool don't close until like 12 okay it was like like 8 9 okay so 8 or 9:00 and pass okay my The Flash was on before I lost my phone okay and he said look at that box what kind of box like a power box or like a shoe box a shoe box all right like a power Nik box when where was this box at just laying somewhere in the P like it's a little creek right there but I don't got that much water it's mostly sand at the bottom of it and this is the there's just the Box laying there like just the P right here and the bushes okay right there okay and this is in the Timothy Landing you're saying yeah the part right there CU courtes all kinds of stuff back there okay so he tells you to look in the box and and who and that we're talking about Daryl yeah he said look at the Bo and I know I didn't go he went to go get it and it was in there okay and what was in there G right is it a revolver or do you know the difference between a revolver and a sem automatic the clip gun which one was it it was just like that but it wasn't this one it was like it was like little small one a small gun okay was it black or it was silver Okay small silver so he actually picked it up from The Shoe Box it was silver and had a brown handle okay silver and brown handle had you ever seen him with that before or that was the first time first time all right did you ever put your hands on that gun no no never look me in my face no CU I already know I was in the system so you didn't want to put a gun in your hand all right so it's a small silver gun with a brown handle all right and you got it from The Box by the pond at Timothy Landing all right so and this is around what time did you tell me again n was it dark was it dark you was getting there okay getting dark and you said the flash was still on your phone was you using the flashlight thing to be able to see to get to the Box okay no it was walking past like I didn't had to walk towards the Box all I had to do was keep walking towards the gate okay cuz to get go like this then you go down and go right back up why did you decide you didn't want to go to the box did he already tell you there was something in there some fire in there no he said he the one he he the one who pee the box he said look at that box he said and my flash was St on so I turned it that way right did you take any pictures of it okay so darl picks up the gun and where do youall go from there to the pool after that me and darl left where' you go well I went back to the neighborhood D left for like an hour or two and we went everybody was in back at the neighborhood I went to the PO Hall I went back to the neighborhood cuz it was well they they was all drinking and stuff out there talking about the people that were at the bar the pool hul yeah then they went back and had something over there in the back you mean drugs when they had something get together like drinking a party okay then we walked to Mid down ocean mhm did this old man do something something to make Daryl mad did he call him out I know he sometimes I've heard that he would call people out because he didn't like young people did he say something to darl he was laying on the ground he was laying on the ground okay where was he laying on the ground at beside the building beside the parking lot on the like in the parking lot like he wasn't on nothing he was laying on the ground was he talking no he was just sitting there and I was I was like D I bet you $5 won't go touch him he was like hell no I'm not going over there so we kept walking McDonald's well back he was still right there okay were yall walking to McDonald's to get something to eat or were we just walking to McDonald's no I had here the phone we had the phone got cut off after she got mad and cut the phone off went up there for w WiFi we got something drink and and I yeah I did get a dollar cookies yeah but we mostly went out there for Wi-Fi okay after I see where this girl was at she said she out of town and we left okay and then when you left what happened near the dumpster right there it was rat right there and we ran through the cut seriously no so far Sharon's story is a confusing mess compared to what officers know already through witness statements in a statement from his 13-year-old EX girlfriend Zariah Sharon had told her that Thomas pulled out a knife which is why he shot him in the arm but before he could do more Daryl snatched the gun from him and landed two fatal shots to the victim's head as for Daryl he was adamant that it was Sharon who began kicking Thomas nervous he tried to leave but the next thing he heard were gunshots ultimately turning around to see Thomas shot down with three varying accounts only one thing is certain Sharon is lying and this detective would not let the opportunity to make him realize how lousy his lies are what's going to happen is they're going to scrutinize me and say well maybe he's the cold blooded Killer maybe he's the one that punched the fire and I'm going to tell you what else I'm not going to fall for that that old man had a knife and tried to stab it y cuz he didn't I might have heard that already too okay I'm trying very hard I said an individual killed this man yes he did that's how asked my little brother when when I got that knife I took it washed it off in my sink with a napkin wrapped it up in napkin taped it around dropped it in the sewer the gun no that that knife it was knife like this okay and asked my little brother what color it was it was red on the back of it like a marker and it was black okay so how did you get the knife from the man what did the man threaten you with the knife the first time walked past okay so the first time he walked y'all walked past him he threatened you with a knife how did you get the knife did you have to fuss with him or did you just sneak up on him and take it from him cuz I might know the answer to this you're not giving me enough credit for knowing these answers already listen this stuff here it doesn't put that to the public what really really what really really is on there I can't scare people like that I'm not allowed I'm not allowed but here's the thing what you what you really need to figure this out right now is at the end of this you need me way more than I need you you need me to believe that you did not shoot that man that's what you need me to believe and then you need me to be able to prove you did not shoot that man okay see I've already heard these stories I already knew about this knife I know about it because I know what I've been told and I know what I can prove and I know what I've Seen On video okay may we sh a really G it well just because you shot him and I don't I haven't showed you a picture of that specific gun how do you know you saying where the gun what did I ask you I needed two things I needed to know from your mouth are you going to say Daryl shot or are you going to say you shot I need to know which one you're going to say and then secondly I need to know what you're going to say happened to the gun and you may not know hell you got your butt taken out of there your mom came and got you Daryl's mom did not come and get him I know Daryl's sister was kind of hanging out in West Chase and you know he's kind of out there doing what he wants to do your mom didn't let that fly your mom came and got your behind so you may not even know I don't know I'm not going to I'm not going to gloss over and make a story up to you I said I wanted to know out of your mouth what happened to that gun if if you took it and through it in the river well then that's what you tell me if you say Daryl took it and after that have you seen darl since then since this no okay so how if Daryl had it you may not even know what he did with it that could be the truth I don't know after this they said I went back over there they said darl got locked up again for something else Daryl got locked up around the 10th of the month for a robbery I'm good well they said they said he got a grand theft charge for cor Jack jumping and he crashed yeah then after they say he crashed I'm like where so I rode the bike up though they say in the Walmart mle the street so i r up there went nothing up there they was like oh no that was somebody else then when um a couple a couple days later I went back they said he got caught with deily weapon something like that well whatever they said it it doesn't matter it's what what I can show on paper and what I can prove and the case that he's involved in is a robbery and it's it is involved in a car he did leave in the man's car and he was caught by the police and bit by a dog okay yeah so here's the thing don't you think he's very motivated to point the finger at you I would be if she and I did something wrong and I didn't want to get in trouble it's just common nature I'm going to blame her okay in the same way she'd probably blame me it's what people do I got kids she's got kids that's what kids do let's go back to this knife thing how how did you get this knife away from this man he was laying on the ground I went have to go get it from side right there okay where was he keeping it at need this plastic bag okay what kind of plastic bag plastic bag I know but I mean is it like a plastic bag like a grocery bag is it like a bag that you put trash in is it like a plastic bag that you carry groceries like a Store bag Store bag okay so it wasn't on him so you came up and got it from the bag right okay and but he wasn't threatening you at that point with it right M no after that actually actually like when we walk past she was on the ground yeah okay well you're leaving out the part about you know you you here's here's I want you to think about this a second you tell me that Daryl's got a gun you tell me that y'all have walked past him you've seen him and then you know what else should tell me I don't know how he got shot cuz you do and you know what you know how somebody told you um yeah I'm not believing that about the whole you know thing I'm going to tell you the same thing if you want to see these people ever in your life you do not want somebody to point the finger at you and put that gun in your hand cuz you just clearly told me Daryl had that gun people are not going to just sit back and do nothing about what happens to him the same way I would expect you to not do that as well you know again your your family seems to care about you enough cuz they're here with you first and foremost they came with you I know that one of you two shot that man now if you want me to believe it's you then you keep sitting there acting like it isn't for a 12-year-old child the lack of empathy and emotion after murdering someone is incredibly disturbing but this is likely not without cause according to psychiatrists and forensic workers even from an early age Sharon seemed to show no grasp over right and wrong they also believe his brain showed signs of alcohol damage in utero which would mean that his brain was affected even before he was born this likely resulted in him having trouble regulating his emotions and a Severe lack of impulse control according to doctors Sharon even goes on to talk about his erratic temperament with detectives you told your mom that you did this no she so Al the witch call she asked what happened what' you tell [Music] her did you tell your mom the same story you told her she she really didn't ask nothing she was like she didn't really didn't ask nothing [Music] she she was saying they like she was saying it like I did it like I did it to be smart until to stop thinking that who your mom or Zary Zary Zary thinks you did it to be a big big guy no cuz she already know when I get mad not going to stop what I'm about to do so you got a hot temper yeah okay what makes you have a hot temper what what makes you click like like that I got to take medicine for my temper but okay you take it today I hope no no why you didn't take your medicine did he do something to make you mad did he call you a name an ugly name like I've heard he's called some of them other kids or did he call Daryl an ugly [Music] name it might not have been as simple as involving an ugly name an investigation by the officer revealed that Thomas owed Sharon money while conflicts over money are not uncommon in cases like this it was likely something more Dee rooted other homeless individuals in the area told officers that Sharon was violent offing attacking Thomas and throwing things at him lies like this are the reason detectives stepped out shortly after this conversation to review his statements so far and talk with his family after spending minutes pacing around in the interrogation room Sharon goes on to call Detectives back and this time he is going to be much more willing to talk can you tell that lady come back in here then which one the one that was in here bro there was two I don't want both of them that was sitting right here I know which one do you want the one with the brown hair or the one with blond hair with the aie shirt on bro the what with the aie shirt on okay all right young man this is your dime I'm going to let you just talk okay you said you want to talk to me again what can I help you with we was walking to the back going to McDonald's and the man came and ran up on there so I po door funnel then we ran back the other way the first time went around and came back through okay cuz D said come back through there cuzz he wasn't done so after the first shot went off it didn't hit him the gun was a shell catcher and after the first shot Miss I guess the bully hit the ground cuz didn't hit him okay he fired another one and shot him in his headit and he fell okay and we left out of there then um who was it there who was that some guy I don't know who it was he had um he was walking out to the store and he had the video of the um the cops picking up the body then DL was like such a such she need to go home so she said and R stay here with Deja for one more night and I'm leave then I went there I called zya then I guess she found out she asked what happened so I told her then I told her don't tell nobody okay did you tell her that you you popped once and then he popped twice the one I hit would miss cuz it didn't touch him at all okay all right that's fair enough I'm going to make sure I don't write it down wrong and I wanted to stop and listen to you so I didn't write it down wrong the man that um was shot was that the white man that lays on the ground okay say yes or no yes and I'm not trying to make you say anything that's wrong I just don't want a mistake look at me I don't want to mistake a yes for a no is that fair yes' all right so the man that was shot was a white man had that man given you guys any grief before was he fussing with you before he was racist okay it is difficult to verify how true this statement is in fact it was more likely quite the opposite as more witnesses stated that Sharon was the one yelling racist remarks at Thomas they have anything in his hands dead knife okay after after I got it from him he had the knife after you got it from him like after I popped in the knife out okay D was like walked back around and I went to go grab it all right so he took a couple he took two steps at durl had the knife you popped one shot at him what kind of gun did you use the shell catcher or another one shell catcher okay all right so you pop one shot at him and then Daryl pops two or more or more one one Daryl pops I'm sorry I couldn't hear you you got to take your fingers out your mouth Daryl pops one shot what kind of gun did he have see one [ __ ] did y'all hand it off to each other or did he have his own gun it was only one of them okay so it was one gun and after you did it then you handed it to him did he ask for it or did you tell him here you finish it he wanted he said give me my stuff he said give me my stuff meaning stuff his gun yeah okay give me my stuff and that means that the gun and then Daryl popped one shot all right and then you got the knife from him once he hit the ground you got the knife from him that's after we walk back around okay so you popped once he popped once where is the man then I thought I popped on the man jump well after I punched him you punched him too no that that how I got him down when he up there I popped off on him okay then after that and we walked back around then he there was like come back then man was still coming so I shot it one time then it missed then D was like get my stuff I gave it to him okay and what was the man doing he was just sitting there I don't know how many D was talking I walked to the trash can right there you see like you know how people say something before they about to die I guess they were talking about something right I walked towards the trash can turned around so when a shot went off I went through the cut okay so the shot that Daryl shot you were over by the trash cans yeah like the second trash can near the gates right there okay so you were and I know what the gates you mean I know what you're talking about by the gates they're actually like a fencing two gates gates yeah is that for to keep people out of the alley no just cover up the trash oh I got you I got you so people can't just go in there their trash all right so by the time you're saying that um you had walked off after you did your pop and darl said give me gun you turned around and you began to walk off I I walk to the trash can I was waiting he was just talking about and he was way over there by the man like the CH can one that for from the what you call it it was right there yeah let's go back cuz this is where you're saying that the man was this where and I walked towards here it went that for okay so you walk in the back of the building the man was on the side right there okay but he was in the street I just walk right to this one then it's the little fences and the cut right now what were you just walking through here no I sto I stopped right here shot window you took off so you were actually standing by the dumpsters right and you hear that shot went off and then you took off everybody who what did you do with your shirt I said I to be honest I don't know what happened to my bed you're like backpack or my bad did B over there with me okay Sharon's story seems to jump all over the place and does not align with the CCTV footage that the detective has they need one more push from him to get a confession and they have just the person to do so Sharon's mom who would be anything but e static to see her son oh boy Bo you know what you got yourself into can I can I say something just one second real fast I'm going to let you guys I'm going to let you talk I'm going to let me talk we try to work through this together okay um we've been back uh here with him a couple times obviously we have uh both young men downtown to because I've brought you in now um you obviously know I went over his constitutional rights for him with him he you ain't sign no papers did you that's his name right here why you sign papers you don't got no lawyer here with you I wasn't back here with you you wasn't supposed to sign or talk say [Music] nothing he and then you on medication you wasn't supposed to sign anything was I here with you so why is you talking to these people you don't got your lawyer here so why are you running your mouth so now what they trying to blame it all on you I told you hang with the wrong crew told you you only 12 years old Ronnie now you getting ready to take your whole life away for some dumb [ __ ] now they depending everything on you what you going to do now you better get the you oh my goodness boy boy boy so um so now what well it's kind of a tough situation um at this point in the in the time he actually asked for you to come back here uh so obviously that's what I'm going to do I'm going to bring you back here um I would have liked to continue trying to so want be leaving you not leaving they keeping you here you detain they trying to charge you for a murder you wasn't supposed to sign no paperwork you wasn't supposed to talk without me being in here with you you wasn't supposed to say not a word all you had to do is say you talk to your lawyer but you don't know you on your medication you don't know got no good sense right now you can tell them anything they want to [Music] hear I'm going to let you guys and I'll be outside if all if you need me all right yes man for a mother at the risk of having her son sent to jail possibly for life one would think that would be somewhat consoling but right now she wants to play judge jury executioner and horrible mother all at the same time boy you just don't know what you got yourself into they got zor and told on you they got D girl out there what D girl which one you think D you mhm he blamed it on you so Bas they want you to say he he was the one that DED her you didn't so put yourself at the scene already so you you got something to do with it you wasn't supposed to say not a word you wasn't supposed to sign no paper did you read that paper you ain't understand what it said did you so you ready go ryy you know you getting ready have to go to jail they probably charge you as an adult and you going have to go to the county jail so I was just sitting here your dad just told me let you know get yourself prepared they going to try to get you a lawyer your phone still working yeah I don't know what to tell you but all no NOP you can't put your hands on it why because they told know Facebook Facebook picture I'm calling my Dad Facebook picture they got you you all on Facebook dummy oh my phone in the car I can't even call nobody call John John out there they got witnesses got no Witnesses all who witness well they got people saying shiron you was there at you had something to do with it who the witness I don't know I know I seen a picture of Zar and the girl de out there I guess everybody blaming everything on you even the boy Daryl said you um did it and they sting here watching like a Hulk recording everything you should even said nothing now you sitt here looking all stupid you don't know this is serious you ready to take your whole life away for nothing doing something you ain't have no business doing R you only 12 years old this my thing you only 12 you don't know you don't have no friends none of that I'm your friend you see I'm the only one up here with [Music] you I don't know what do I don't all I can tell you what they don't know if they going to charge you with murder first degree second mansl I don't know I don't I don't know nothing about the system I know you wasn't supposed to talk to nobody until I came in this room with you when these detectiv was there you wasn't supposed to say nothing nothing Ronnie not nothing I wasn't here you wasn't supposed to open your mouth not sign no papers nothing they want you to tell on them so he was the one that shot that man cuz they only show me pictures of surveillance they ain't got you on the back what else you got I just think pictures which ones they're on his Facebook page with the gun and the group of boys yeah I saw a lot of [ __ ] on Facebook saw that one I saw the one when he had his money in the gun saw the mug they showed you the picture when he was in the cut mhm so that one with his shirt off and wrapped around where so where you was at in the scene I was I was I was left already I went there so what did you see you left the boy so what what did you see did you see the boy shoot his ass that's what they want to hear Ronnie I don't know what to do I really don't I'm scared as hell I don't know what to do and you ain't realizing you only 12 D you don't even know these people down here so you don't think they blaming everything on you they don't know you you know from down here they could just say you didn't did it I don't know what to tell you I know don't say nothing else you shouldn't even sign no paper you sure shouldn't assign no papers not at all so who getting a lawyer your daddy know they he trying to get down here now he told me to tell you don't say nothing to them but you in here steady running your I don't know what the hell is going on only what they came out there and told me they trying to put you away for Life your whole life so basically if you don't say nothing um everything on you everything is going to be on you ironically while Sharon's mom lectures him about bad decisions she herself was likely one of the worst role models in his life when officers dug up Sharon's prenatal records They found that his mother was consuming a plethora of drugs while pregnant marijuana tobacco cocaine and alcohol this consumption was so extreme that Sharon was born jittery tremulous and irritable but clearly his mom does not acknowledge any of this and continues to ber him no so now what what do you mean now what going go on now well unfortunately I can't there's you've put a stop to this you that's your choice now I have to go with what I have that means he's staying he's detained I can't corroborate what he's saying if I can't get to him and every time I try to talk with him I have to come out or talk with you and I understand why believe me I understand why I I get yeah cuz I he don't know CA cuz he on medication and everything actually told actually he told me he didn't take his medication today yeah he didn't right so here here's the thing I can't he's told me a lot of stuff and I get what he's telling me but there's things that I need to clarify what he's told me is already happened what he's told me has already been said I can't take can't take it back yeah but what was I was trying to do to help it along is to try to clarify everything everything that he's saying there's no secret here you know both people are saying things that it's our job to try to figure out who's who who can we prove is is right or wrong yeah sometimes you prove them right sometimes you prove them wrong but I don't have that opportunity because you don't want me in here no my thing was when y'all first started um interviewing him I supposed have been here he wasn't supposed to say anything actually that's what I have to he a minor he only 12 years old I understand that what I'm supposed to do by the the statute and the law as as directed by the superiors is and what's told to us not we decided I'm from New Jersey it's prob the laws is different that's what I'm saying if I know for a guaranteed fact y'all wasn't supposed to question him or actually anything without we're supposed to make sure you're notified and you actually came down with him and I asked him U on two different occasions if not more if he wanted you in here if he wanted to talk to me and he said he wanted to talk to me and then he would talk to you so that's his his choice that I have to let you here now if he says I want you back here then I got to come get you which I did okay yeah you're right another thing I'm sitting here talking to him now like basically I told him to tell y'all what the hell went on yeah if you was there tell what the hell he SE not no beat around no Bush you I'm explaining he only 12 years old he right throw his whole damn life away for some he was with some boy or he was around a boy when it got I don't know what the hell I don't know I don't like I said all you can do is just tell what you didn't see listen I have no trouble trying to listen I have no trouble trying to work through this there are certain reasons that we stop and that's that's your choice I'll be happy to come back in we'll go over the rights for him together so that you understand so that he understands and then you may get answers to questions that that you may not even know yourself mhm if if that's what he wants that's his choice and then I'll explain again I'll explain the rights for him I'll sit by you I'll sit by him I'll show you what it says if you all understand it you you feel he understands it he feels he understands it and we can talk but to to answer your questions is unfair because you don't want me to talk to him so you have to make that decision if you want him to tell his side of the story perfect that's y'all's Choice I'm going let you make that I can't force you to make it and I'm not telling you I think that's what you should do you're his mom you should clearly figure out what's in his best interest no trouble with that I want to know can I bring my mom come in here it's not that I don't want her in here it's kind of a tight space and it's not um it's easier if there's not so many people yelling at him ain't no we ain't nobody yelling at we just trying to get the truth out of them I understand that and I and I know that's who going to get it out of them my mom are you going to tell her the truth okay you ain't got no other choice sure don't let me go get my getting ready get smoked up the road you boy don't hit him okay um Step here at this point detectives are unable to get any useful information out of Sharon as his mother continues to berate him this is why they return after a short break and this time bring in Sharon's grandmother you want to all right got as many as I could grab at one time of all the stuff that I've shown to to him he openly admits tell them how you got the gun to begin with where do you get a gun from a guy from D yeah follower R you don't know you 12 and you following these boys you don't even know them no of them no nothing about them you don't even know where they live at what do you think Grandma I know I wouldn't be in this predicament at all cuz I didn't told him nothing you reported and y'all reported Miss yes ma'am and then she called yes ma'am back cuz uh John was like uh they ain't going to go by what but they listened to me and they came and we both P out a report yeah yeah y'all definitely he was definitely not with y'all on this incident okay no no one is disputing that this is them no one is disputing that these two are at the scene of of this man being killed and make no mistake I hate seeing anybody's life go down the tubes okay but I also have an obligation to the Man's family and I have to I have to do right by them and doing right by them is making all of you understand this little part here it's not going to go um initially he told me that the reason he ran down the alley is the rats back here there are certain details to keep someone your whole life is y and here's here's where I left here's where I left I asked him and being though you was at the scene you you you like you did if you didn't if you missed you should have shot him cuz that's what you're getting ready get charged with and here's the where I was at here's where I was at you right through time boy here's where I was at ladies is where I left off and maybe we can clear ify this from here I asked shiron if he fired once and he says I said well how'd Daryl get the gun well I gave it to him so he could fire once okay I know and you know that's red flag all right so if that's the case and he fired the second time let's put that aside the time you fired what gave you the right to fire at someone that's lunging at someone else that's plenty big enough cuz we established that Daryl could have this is a 50 plus year old man he's a homeless man let me help you he had gotten out of the hospital two days before this he has all sorts of problems and he walks with a walker man don't got no okay last time I tell every time I see him he never walking with no Walker and you know what is to be honest I really don't alcoholic he's a chronic alcoholic that does he is he is I man every time you can ask any you ask wolver you can ask the other B every time you see him he never went while he walking straight so but again let me ask you this to clarify to me what do you think your reason for being able to shoot at him when he was as you put it lunging at Daryl what was your justification for doing that and did there old than you hold on hold on it was what a warning shot you L it was a warning shot okay how do you know the one you shot didn't shoot the man because he was still up according to you the same person that says back here you walked and you you didn't well I saw with my own eyes when Daryl shot him but you were back here you can't see up here it's a building you can't see through the building really now you got you got that whole side right there because the back of the Chinese store is right there and the trash can is right there you you said the man was on right there the man was in the street what street the man was Landing in the street what street there near the checkers the man was in the street and the street is like 103rd Street no not the street like like a parking lot like you pulling up and trying to order he was in the street even worse he's right he's more like up here he'd have to have Superman Vision to be able to look through this whole building and see that that was how it happened now am I saying that he's the one cuz let's just let's just think about it all right they all the way up there and the pole the trash can is right here the pole is on the side going all the way down like this the man sleep on the side right there his body was laying right there so how tell me how it there all the way up there you can't see that I I can promise you you cannot see well you bring your whole steady team and tell them lining up the same way I'm right now and you steady get smart though smoking yes you making it even worse she trying to break you a deal with something M I was but I'm showing she saying it Sharon has told four different variations of his own story the first completely isolated him from the murder while the other three were different variations claiming self-defense the big the huge the most huge thing is even if you go with what he says and this guy got run up on by Daryl I will prove that he wasn't running up too to much on anybody and if he and if he did and if he did that's Daryl's issue not yours you should my damn bus kept and who admitted he had the gun at that point that he took from Daryl that's him I never told you I took the gun from my what I told you he told me to hold it when we was walking towards me my bad the words are a different Choice young people in the semantics of words he's right he said he got the gun from Daryl because Daryl what I told you when when Daryl asked for he said give my [ __ ] back what I did give it back to me but that's but see you you like his you shouldn't have been stunt dummy stunt dummy fall dummy now you can R take the fult for his but let me ask you this do you think it's fair either one of you think it's fair that he could shoot at someone that's not involving anything him or threat him I don't think it's I personally don't think it's fair if you take everything else away what color shirt who had what first whether or not they both shot whether or not only one shot he had no right to fire a gun at somebody that wasn't threatening his life no yeah why you do that he said he fired a warning shot do you think I'm allowed to fire a warning shot no no ma'am do you think anyone's allowed to fire a warning shot no you don't get to fire warning shots and I'll tell you um is he a convicted felon based on that burglary yes okay so what did he put in his possession the fire ARS then that's another feling that's you getting ready your whole life is going and then with being though you on probation R they told you you get in any more trouble with the law what they going to do how long you got to do now let me ask you something did that man pop off is I'm trying to think in my mind is there any reason that that he would have I know you have a short temper you said you have anger issues yes he do and he want I understand he get he's really um certified for where he is I get it so is is there anything that that man said that night that just flipped your switch that he was cuz you never said he was talking to you you said he was talking to Daryl and darl told him do you want to loot you want to live your life or something of that nature did he say anything to you that was derogatory meaning about your race about your your color about your religion about your hair about anything I'm trying to understand why you thought you were able to shoot at this man okay what he cut y out you can't talk you better be saying something what the man said to y'all when y'all walked up to him he said he was told me he was sitting on the ground and then this just all kind of happened D what was that boy name it was some boy on Melvin he bought the gun for $50 of revolver a shell catcher so he was like we we was in we was in leag so we was walking he was we after we stayed at the PO after everybody left we man was still up there so you and darl yeah but before that that that day before that he gave Wolverine he gave wol some crack but rine ow him some money so we walk through the cut he was like bro I'm ready to go shoot Wolverine bro like bro why you ready kill this man for so after before he at he kicked in the Box the shed that they were sleeping in yeah wasn't in there you that look like Wolverine he was hair Wolverine ow $20 so for the CRA yeah he been waiting for and I think I know which man is that old man that Char him kill so after d go around he was like he knew Wolverine so like B so he was like but he walked up to him start messing with the man he dumped his beard on him but it was no Walker right there he dumped his beard okay he dumped this bag out the knife was right there I grabbed the knife and put on my pocket and they start they start talking to the man I was on the pool sitting down with the little pull that go all the way the car so they talking to him the last word he said he was like but you love your life and the man was like I'm living it he was like buto you love your life bro stop asking this man and stuff he was like no bro I want my money from friend so like matter of fact somebody going to pay for it since I can't get my $20 whoever he know where pay for bro chill out bro he be like you love your life so bro the man said something to him check the allall so he shot him like towards his head like not on the side like it's going towards right there through his Temple he was like put your shirt over your head and leave and go through the cut okay so he did it he was like take your shirt yeah he said take your shirt and he wrapped it for me so like cuz the way I did it went right all the way so was like man right then he tied it and did his and I ran first through the cut when did you put your hands on the gun man touch at all oh why you say you did you said he gave you the gun told you to get the gun and here's the thing in the beginning he told a crazy story story then he told a story then he told another story about how he was walking this is a story number four well I'mma say it like this you ain't going nowhere so you might as well tell them the truth but that's the story and they they giving you time buddy you accomplish you've told you've told so many stories they know which one to believe she told the truth so you know what sometimes you got to go with what you know for here on these little videos and what people can back up and right now unfortunately for you no one's backing you up you know what I mean let's go outside and we'll talk and cuz I don't um I don't know anything else is going to change we'll go out out and talk and then I'll talk with the state and if you guys I'm sure you'll want to stay around I'll let you know what the state besides how noise I'm sitting here but I've been in here for like 5 hours you might be in here forever yes you is not this is the last I got to piss bro all right going take you to PE listen I don't know how you talk to them but if you want to go to the bathroom I'll be happy to take you but you need to be a little bit every chair in hereo are you going to do what go ahead and say that in front of your mama cuz whenever the consequence comes I want her to know that ain't nobody did nothing to you that you didn't ask for for so she going to let you go to the bathroom but you got to act like a young man okay I'll I'll definitely get you to the bathroom first consequence bro I know I said on my first one soon as they came to my house you he me can I can I let him talk to his dad cuz he been it his dad been trying to get me to let him talk let me come outside let me make sure the supervisors are okay with that Sharon Tommy Townson went on to face trial and 3 years later a conclusion was reached as he pled guilty to second-degree murder as part of a plea deal even though he was a minor Sharon was still sentenced to 30 years of which he must serve at least 10 additionally he was given 10 years of Probation and will have to undergo mental health and psychiatric counseling earning him the title of Jacksonville's youngest killer