listen listen to me though I've been listening to you I've been giving you information listen anybody could be behind that mask MH but you wanted to be Kenneth why this is the point okay we have evidence we have witnesses you don't have a witness we don't you don't no no you don't and you don't have enough evidence you just have the evidence that was done meet 28-year-old Kenneth Thomas a man who currently believes that he can get away with with murder what he does not know however is that he's just been caught on camera and no matter what he does he will be spending the rest of his life Behind Bars you want to see all the surveillance video right now surveillance with my face Direct on it yes we do we have that this is the gun at your house mhm okay there's a gun in the diaper box the shoes that you were wearing there the mask that you were wearing Listen Listen Hold on hold listen yes whether I tell you or not I'm done you not getting that right they found the gun in the house they found the mashes the clothes everything that leads back to me I know all the commitments one of them was murdered another was stealing and there were a few others but only you can forgive me on January 13th 2015 s shwani was working late into the night at a gas station near White Rock Avenue in wakashaw Wisconsin what should have been another night shift would soon turn into tragedy as two massed individuals broke into the store demanding sah to empty the registers but the next thing that sah knew was a gunshot wound to the chest as the two robbers ran out the call that s made afterward to 911 would be gut-wrenching as he could only gather the strength to mutter one word clity 911 what's the address of your emergency hello by the time officers arrived at the scene they found the counter in complete disarray bullet casings $540 missing from the cash register and Scattered clothes around the entrance as for s he was slumped near the counter unable to speak by the time he reached the hospital it was far too late as he had died due to his injuries now officers had to find the answer to s's final plea why why would someone murder a cashier In Cold Blood to answer this officers first had to apprehend the suspects who they believed to be Kenneth Thomas the one who pulled the trigger and Darren Malone his accomplice several witness testimonies from locals had pinned these two to be missing on the night of the murder most importantly it just so happened that at Kenneth's Home Police found the exact revolver used to murder sahed the green mask from CCTV and $540 the amount stolen subsequently Kenneth was brought in for questioning on January 15th since it was crystal clear that he was the murderer now officers had to determine whether the weapon was fired accidentally or on purpose this will help them decide whether to charge him with intentional homicide or manslaughter but little do officers know that Kenneth is a self-proclaimed CSI graduate who thinks he can get away with murder Kenneth Thomas Kenneth THS me forgot my name my first name okay did I'll take your chair don't worry about it we're good don't worry about it I'll let you know if I want to switch take turns um as I explained on the way here there an investigation yeah your name came up when you talk to you about it okay I'm just I'm just you know very cautious about my life okay no that's fine I understand you know I was taught like that ra like okay no that was sealed you saw that was sealed yeah I know it could be sealed and still you know things happening to it I I know trust me I watch a lot of CSI and Earth 48 and all that good stuff so I know what do you like about those shows I don't like the shows at all why you watch them then to see how you guys work okay but you know that's TV yeah like CSI that's real that CSI you know how fast they solve a crime in CSI how fast in 60 minutes that's how long the show is yeah that's real he'll Sol a show in 60 minutes I know but some some of you guys saw like this in some cases yeah okay in other cases it's important to be thorough don't you think that's right yeah I know okay don't you think it's important for us to get all the information that's available out there and to get the truth as to how things happen mhm of course that's your job exactly but what's most important about it is guys have to take my coat it's cold as hell you want you want it yeah I I really like problem okay not a problem what our job is is to make sure we understand why things happen the way they happen so the right decision is made on how to deal with it right mhm okay we don't want people making decisions based on our wrong information okay and there and there's information obviously um that you have that can help us understand the circumstances of what's going on why just you yeah why don't want nobody else have this information that could help you guys well there are other people that have the information and we have people out there going to going to talk to him if they're not talking to them right now okay so who who all was brought here just me for now just you yes okay okay okay so there's some some things that we'd like to talk about yeah find out a little bit more about you about you and Walker shop okay do that all right excellent well I need a few things just before I know I know what this is listen before I find this yeah I need to know I don't I look I still I've been lock down for a day and a half I still don't know what is everything about okay you know they just came and got me and it was a bunch of things on this sheet saying that I was involved in but I don't you know what were the things that you saw on the sheet that you were involved in they said drugs and guns okay that was a search warrant that you asked about at your apartment okay and I and I explained you on the way here that that was something that Muk you was dealing with okay now I and that's what I asked about I asked like they because they told me they said walking sha well actually was me when I was in the sale they they was talking to this guy and they said no you got to wait for Walker Shaw County cuz they come to get you right but turns out it was him they was coming to get it was me they come to get it so as I asked I like what they come to give me for like what is this is about okay what what we found out was told what we found out from Milwaukee when they did the search went they collected evidence okay and some of the evidence that they collected was tied to an incident in orer okay so what was the evidence they they collected clothing and they did find a gun in the apartment yeah okay and other things okay okay that stuff was used in a robbery and Walker shot oh okay so we need to understand all right hey where that c stuff come from how to get in the apartment stuff like that okay your apartment right yeah it's my apartment okay so wouldn't it make sense that we ask the people who live there about it yeah sure so that's why we want to talk all right fair enough fair you want to talk then no excellent so what I'm going to ask you to do your answer is yeah so I just need you to put your initials next to that answer and then sign your name right there for me KT however you initial something KT works good y all right SL my name okay so Milwaukee does the search warant at your apartment and you're there and you were telling me that your brothers and sisters were also there yeah okay help me out here who was all there besides you when that yesterday night at the search warrant yeah when when when the milwauke police came who was all there everybody they got my brothers yeah but you help me out with their names Deon ston deont ston ston okay and he is he your older younger alista okay and who else shender ston Shakra yeah okay Vante dancing and chandra's uh sister yeah oh his sister and who else Delia's danc delisia yeah and who's she sister cousin she's a cousin okay M all right so we got Deontay shakendra Delicia who else was there I'm trying to think of these guys man I I don't know their name but they live next door oh they were there at the warrant h no they wern't they they was put that I think they was there I don't know who they I don't I wasn't you know okay I couldn't see who they all took it they took I know they took everybody though okay so you think guys next door no I don't think I know they were there they they should have got them okay all right and all right my baby brother lante exension lante okay me okay well you mentioned on the car because you were asking me about why did they use a flashbang yeah and I didn't I wasn't aware of that but and then you mentioned that the baby was there yeah okay so the baby was there too yeah okay was the baby mama there yeah okay what's her name uh shika B Shamika okay okay and the two guys next door what do you mean by Next Door the next apartment next apartment okay and what's their names I actually don't even know these guys we just was hanging kicking it you know they ki it they came they came back last night and bought a lot of [ __ ] okay we kicked it smoked it we keep in mind these individuals who are allegedly smoking weed with Kenneth as they will be an important part of his Alibi later on so do these guys have a gun yeah they got hell lots of guns they got lots of guns what kind of guns these guys got got a few handguns okay when did you see these kind girl this there's a handgun what I know it was a handgun there a black one a black like what type of handgun there was a nine a nine yeah yeah they got [ __ ] like that do they when the last time you seen them when the last time I seen them the guy yeah I just told you tonight that everything happened you know night before they came and got us oh they had the gun that night yeah oh okay which one had it the short one short one yeah okay what kind of gun did he have sound like the one you was all black you know it was all black the one sound like the one you said just okay so you you had a black hand gun okay before you said something about a high point yeah that's what he said it was said he is hot point right here F okay probably was his income probably was his yeah you see where he get it from did you said did I see where he get it from yeah they go they go down to the city and get all the guns and come back here okay what other guns you said they L of guns one had a um it was a revolver okay who the short one or the tall one tall one when did you see with that the night they was there they had all them guns they had like three guns on okay who had the tall one had a revolver two revolvers okay what color were they silver they they was like this like this around there you know what what rounds 38s 3 57s 22s I can tell you don't know they didn't say okay you're not a big gun guy listen I am going tell you me I'm going to tell you this though okay they ask for some uh for some Bullets My Mama gun is reg oh your mom has a gun yeah it's treasure she has a 9 mm okay all right I had got some bullets out of my mom bag and I had G to those guys okay what kind of bullets you know they were nine bullets nine okay what color were they what color were the BL yeah you remember Sometimes they come in different colors like brass casing or silver they were they were uh silver not silver they're like brownish brownish okay yeah only many bullet did you give them like uh nine no actually I gave them I gave them four because the other ones I put up on my cabinet where was your cabin when the police came in they saw them they saw the bullets the cabinet in the living room or the bedroom in my room in your room okay yeah okay so you put those bullets there yeah you just saw Kenneth using one of the techniques he probably learned from CSI manipulation on one hand it is likely true that Kenneth had Shady individuals at his home this is because he had known gang affiliations and was often involved with the wrong group of people which also explains his basic firearm knowledge as he most likely learned it from them but on the other hand detectives know his story about giving these men the revolver is a lie as it is an attempt to frame them for the murder this is because detectives already investigated such a scenario and found a picture on his Facebook of him wearing the exact outfit that the murderer had on even if this wasn't a lie it still wouldn't explain the presence of the money and the green mask at his home something that the detective is about to confront Kenneth with very soon part of the evidence that they found yeah what was that gun those bullets yeah some clothes okay they also found um other items in there like a mask a green mask yeah okay where did that green mask come from I I couldn't tell you I swear I couldn't tell you where green mask came from like I said man them them guys man they came back there that night man they was rally up man M they was really you know I mean like they you could tell like when somebody done dead some or something you know I knew they did something I just don't know what they did though okay it came back I got high man I got high and I got high and fell asleep man well now that we've been talking what do you think they did all here in Walker sh man a mass a gun Rob they robbed somebody man they robbed somebody probably came back and threw the evidence off on us man okay that's what you think happen yeah cuz they if they they not if they not caught if they didn't get but you know caught where they gone uhhuh you know what I mean they gone right so they out in the bo still having fun while somebody else going down for the [ __ ] they did okay that's B that's exactly what happened okay so you understand why it's important that we talk and figure stuff out yeah now I understand you know I was I was lost man I was I didn't know what the hell was going on man I understand man and that's up you know what I mean okay so then part of what you understand is is not only do we talk to people though we get get evidence we look at evidence right okay and even though you watch CSI that first 48 stuff you know that's Hollywood and that's you know sort of like how it happens okay but in real life it happens a little different okay in real life it's it's a little more scientific and a little more specific they don't put all that dramatic stuff in there they got to put the dramatic stuff in there for TV right just keep you interested in watching it right okay there you go and obviously we don't solve things in 60 minutes all right okay it takes us some time but there's a reason why it takes it some time because we only to get things right exactly the things that we do that things like they do is we do the fingerprint stuff and DNA stuff and all that stuff yeah but now now I want to ask you some questions sure of course how's this you still haven't told me how's this leading back to me it is painful to see Kenneth try and talk his way out of this he likely still thinks thinks that there is no concrete evidence against him but this could not be further from the truth as detectives have everything they need to prove he is the murderer and bit by bit you will see him break down as the detective begins to clarify the kind of damning evidence they have the evidence from the robbery was found in your home yeah I know I know I know you so when Milwaukee Police Department calls us and say hey remember that robber you guys had I go yeah he says the clothing the gun the uh mask and other items of evidence that was taken into robbery yeah is found at this house right I says okay so we talk with everybody in the house okay we've talked to everybody in the house all right okay so what everybody been saying we talk to your brothers your sisters okay we can't talk to everybody at once right okay at some point in time it's your turn to talk all right so that's what we're doing here now okay but in the same time we're processing other evidence okay we're processing surveillance videos we're processing the gun okay we're processing the ammunition we're processing everything that was found okay and we're trying to see okay how does this all match up where does this where do this evidence take us okay we look at the surveillance video and we see how things all match up okay it's like a big jigsaw puzzle right okay and when you start putting a puzzle together you don't know exactly but as you get more pieces you get a very clear picture and it fits in okay and what's fitting in is the evidence that our crib is the evidence that your crib but more so is the evidence that you were in on that robbery and walking sh right okay right so that's what the shows hold run BR back that what you say you said the evidence that what the evidence and the information that we learned from everybody we talked to yeah shows that you were in on that R and Walker shot yeah how was I in on it how was you in on it yeah you got you got my prince you got my prince my face on camera yes we do yeah yeah I like to see all that huh why you don't have it with me right now obviously okay right why you don't have it with you though listen check this out okay if you if if that was me m why why would you would have all the evidence point out in front of you you want to see all the surveillance video right now obviously we don't have one in the room surve a surveillance with my face Direct on it yes we do we have that no yeah yeah so why you didn't show me pictures why you didn't show me pictures like this is you on this pictures yeah this is the gun at your house mhm okay there a gun in the diaper box the shoes that you were wearing there the mask that you were wearing okay there's several hundred photographs I didn't get them all I thought you'd be bored with lots of photographs okay where' your pajamas go G you were wearing that night I had a picture of that too yeah oh it's on inventory there you are jump on the counter wearing the pamas the shoes with the gun and The Mask okay okay where so where is it still you're not telling me so those listen kenth listen to me yeah I'm listening the problem is is that you don't know where all the cameras are and you're wearing these same clothes on different cameras problem is you didn't have your mask on at that time right right so right so where are those photos where are these fellas no no I'm say this right FR hold I'm saying where's the photos you said that I'm on camera wearing these clothes that's on a video video DVD oh yeah yeah I see that one all right and Darren's in the background so where's the other guy on the camera you said it was two people it was he's in the background that's Darren Darren Dar yeah the big tall ball guy yeah that that's his name Daren mhm huh we know all about him too yeah okay this is the thing okay Kenneth yeah we've been talking for a while haven't we yeah a while okay and you've been telling me all kinds of information uhhuh okay not leaving back to me well let me explain something okay all right I've never met you before have I I don't know nothing about Kenneth do I nothing okay so of my job is to learn about you isn't it of course of course okay I need to know what type of person you are okay mhm all the questions I asked MH I already knew the answer to yeah got to figured it okay and the reason I know the answer to Is I'm trying to measure the type of person you are so y'all got Darren so you're a very nice young polite man and I appreciate that okay the problem is you're trying to get your way out of a situation that I want that I so I know that's that's the thing is I know so I got to I got to understand something here Ken okay I got to understand something all right are you going to end up looking like a guy trying to get out of something or just like that stolen car thing all right I messed up I drove a car made a mistake I'll take responsibility for that but I ain't going to take responsibility for the other serious stuff that happened the burglar and other thing those guys did okay you weren't responsible for that part so you didn't have to deal with that part correct same situation here okay we need listen listen I've been listening to you the whole time you listen me now fair enough listen if you got Darren how you don't got his brother H I said if you got you got Daryl yeah Clarance the dude you just you just the Betty is tude on his forehead not better Betty yeah we got him too yeah so then how you not know then why why is everything not matching up then if you got the guys no no no no the guys no no you and you and who Darren are the guys how you know that how do I know that yeah where my fingerprints at on anything of you know the you know this they could they put that in my house they they stored that stuff in my house how you how you don't know that how come your fingerprints and de going to end up on that when we're done processing that end up on what on the gun on the mask on the clothes yeah okay and I want to see that when it do listen when it when my da shows up on the mask right the clothes Canon and gun can you're on surveillance video wearing those clothes just before and just after that robbery no not yeah you are no not no I'm not I I promise you I ain't okay I'm for sure listen I'm a 100% sure that's not me on that camera okay and and how are you 100% sure that it's not you on that CU I never left out the house that night okay everybody else in that house said you did yeah yes so where they statements he's got some I've got some other people got some let's see this is the thing it ain't listen you got you got K understand something understand something okay this is about not what happened cuz we already know what happened what happened we already know who's involved okay important thing is we need to know why this happened yeah okay you need to know why and you come to Kenneth to get get we need to know why Kenneth went out Rob the storm Walker show how you know that was Kenneth though because we have all the evidence to show that it is no you don't actually we do no you just have the things that happened in you don't have the person that did it anyone could be behind that but listen listen to me though I've been listening to you I've been giving you information listen body could be behind that mask MH but you wanted to be Kenneth why one of the many interrogation tactics that detectives use is to bring up evidence that may or may not exist to elicit a confession which is often displayed in TV shows like the ones Kenneth has watched right now he is betting on the fact that no such evidence exists which is why you see him playing detective and pinning the blame on other individuals like Daryl and the people smoking weed at his home listen M all I did stuff from the start man I've been trying to make a way and do this and do this be a careful listen I ain't never had [ __ ] I ain't never going to be [ __ ] listen y'all the good guys y'all the ones that come to this job and play good cop bad cop you know what I mean you understand what I'm saying see me you know what I play every day Survivor mhm any day coming out my door I could be a dead man I could they could came in and killed us was a gun sound don't know who gun it was but listen it was a gun found the items was found in my room mhm Daryl and the other guy you talking about MH they could in their items okay that they could have stash that in there before they left okay but they W they y'all got them in custody yeah y got them in custody I wonder how y'all get them in custody how did we yeah how did you get them in custody we found them they wer in my house though so where did you get them in custody where they were at where was it across the hall across the hall so y'all went in theirs first in dmar no we got them in custody after the search war after you're already in custody oh okay okay so you got your guys we got a lot of guys yeah you got you got your two main guys who did it though well we got a lot of guys cuz there's been more than just the Robbie and Walker show damn so what else been going on robber's in Milwaukee Rob's in west Dallas Rob's in bfield so you got all the guys huh no not quite all of them I'm still looking for the white guys involved too yeah and you respecting me and you you expecting I'm one of them are youly one of the white guys that I'm looking for I'm not talking about the white guys okay okay I'm saying me right you think you think I'm one of them you don't know for sure yet until you get those those the DNA back on those no that'll just confirm what we already know oh that it confirm so if it don't confirm it then what we already have enough evidence it's not enough evidence okay those evidence was put there by there's also evidence from other robberies that was found in your apartment yeah like what lottery tickets lottery ticket how you know that one like back to what I was saying how do you know those guys didn't put that there and find their way out shoot back to the Chicago where they belong where they come from did they hide the lottery tickets I'm saying I don't know where's bedroom huh you said did they yeah I don't know what they did okay I was so I was too hot to even know what they did mhm I fell asleep that night like I told you these robberies have been happening for a long time yeah they've been there for a while mhm how long is was a while you've been there for a while probably a month or two okay okay and every time they come to their apartment they hide stuff no they probably did that that night they hid everything from all those robbery that night yeah including all the articles of clothing that was worn actually you only showed me one one you yeah I said there's hundreds of pictures I only brought a few oh you only brought brought a few right you probably okay you know I don't know I couldn't tell you those are not my items so okay you could you could try listen you could try your hardest to put those on me but deep down inside I that's listen when you go on court you know what I'm going to say you know when we go to court what I'm going say I'm say that's those guys items I understand that and I'm not saying that you were involved in every robbery I wasn't involved in no robbery okay but look at my background hold on look at my background do you do look what I'm the position I'm in do you think I'll be involved in some robberies I don't know come on all kind of people different things when they get desperate be real when they need to survive be real right I get a check I get a check I don't need to do anything okay I get a check how do you get a check svi okay how much you get a month 7 800 okay I'm good okay that pays my bills put food in my house okay you know do a little extra mhm my rent is only five something okay me and my brother split that okay he get a check too we could mhm so do do do your do your research you know what I mean mhm got your gu now listen I wish I could tell you more but you got your guys man wish I could tell you more but you like I said you got your guys you got your Daryl and other guy you got him you got him so what else you need for me to give you know well I need to know the answer about what why what happened at the robbery and Walker shop listen when the gun went off was it accidental or was it on purpose well I wasn't there I wasn't there my listen like I just told you you show me listen you bring my fingerprint my fingerprints back saying that it was me I give you a whole listen all all the other evidence I don't need fingerprints I don't need okay all the other evidence all the other statements all the other w told us what we need to know okay what I need to know is the why okay they told and part of the why is did the gun go off on accident or on purpose I I don't know talking about okay I can't tell you you know that's those evidence was put there by them other guys okay they can't they they put they come on look listen check this out put the mask don't this sound this going to make you make you start thinking a little bit more mhm you said the mask M was sound to my room right what else The Mask yeah the uh what else is all in the briefcase Milwaukee has that several items that were involved in the robbery we found in that um not briefcase that uh [Music] blue luggage thing that you pull mhm so why won't all the items found there do it make a little bit more sense the only items that W in front of the bedroom was the gun no you said something else you said see listen you just said other things that was in the house yeah you said there was other things in the house yeah from other robberies yeah so why W all them in one place because all the robberies happen on other days still not making sense that's what I'm telling you sure no robbery happened that night that and all the items were found in your room with the exception of the gun that was found in the living room I'm sorry not in the living room the living room in the uh diaper box diaper box so listen back to what I was saying you get my you get my DNA all full of items mhm is is let me ask you is your DNA going to be on any of those items why would they well I don't know there that night okay I wasn't there night okay did you ever put on that green mask no okay what about those pajama bottoms never never no okay how about that Celtics hat that's no never no you never wore a Celtics hat never wore those pajama bottoms I don't wear hats okay not not even on your Facebook videos NOP not at all spark spark not at all I just viewed the video today watching you wear all that stuff list you have't you making me laugh and me you going to make me my heart stop man listen you got spark spark you got a video with me wearing all that stuff yeah why are you talking to me still because I want to find out why it happened like I said I know what happened I want to find out why it's important why an investigation trying to find out what happened I know what happened already who did what I do that I know that you want to be investigating still what do you mean you still in your investigate you still you still want want me to tell you who was behind that mask I need to know whether you shot that man on purpose or if the gun went off on accident that's important because that's the difference between manslaughter or homicide you know what I'm saying Slaughter homicide so now it's just a homicide yes it is damn so listen when listen you make them guys squeal and you do what you got to do to them guys cuz those the guys man I don't know why why you why you you said you listen you just told me you had a video of me with everything G yes really yeah it's on your Facebook that's sad man this is the exact moment that Kenneth realizes his lies have resulted in nothing but failure the only option he has left now is to either call in a lawyer or confess his crimes fortunately he chooses the lad but before that Kenneth has one last request to make no listen you got evidence in my house right you got the gun yes I'm done what is there you want to know you want me to admit to it so I'm not going to admit to it okay listen this this is a situation understand this okay there's all kinds of different levels of what happens to a person 20 years from now man it'll be different man Obama to be out the office [ __ ] want me to no more things won't be the same next year things constantly change you know that right okay you're going to school to learn business right but not anymore if you were continuing to go to school learn business things would be different one day [ __ ] is listen if if was a fifth we all be drunk man just get to the point man the point is is you got a chance here I don't have a chance yes you do you you got you got a decision you got a decision as to whether or not you're GNA face life or you going to face a maximum of 20 years a maximum of 20 years right that means it could be less Life Is Life you can't undo that man when I get out man listen when I get out my granny will be dead my uncle probably be dead my other uncle no telling what's going to happen to my mom she's already sick okay but how would they react to you having to spend the rest of your life you not get me in the next 20 years that will be the rest of my life I'll be [ __ ] 40 when I get out don't you think they want you at 40 to still have a life I won't have a life why why do you say that why don't you think you won to have a life I won't be you we both know that you know what [ __ ] type of Life what job can I get in 20 years seem May completely [Music] change it's getting hard in here know Jerica what Jerica you know her who was that the girl that drove you guys the girl you guys walked out of the apartment with girl that came back with you guys from back to the apartment you know exactly what I'm talking about see Kenneth we want to give you an opportunity here come on man stop you just making things worse man trying to help you understand it's a big difference with this whether this was intentionally or an accident that's a big differ best thing in life to have what's that or to happen death let me tell you why death is the best thing cuz there's no more suffering always wanted to see death never wanted to see life in prison though always wanted to see death how did it feel you know what I mean I promis myself you know what I promis myself that I won't go out like these other suckers damn you want something you want the truth right that's what I want you know what I want what would you like I want a last phone call to my mama you could do that for me I can do something for you I will let you have a phone call no no no no no no I get what I want first and then you get what you want you know I can't do that right now I can't do that right now either I'm telling you cuz I know I know what's going to happen I already know I just know I know I know this [ __ ] listen I know this [ __ ] go ahead tell me what you think's going to happen I know my life is gone man whether I tell you the truth or not my life is done with I just want to talk to my mama one last time that's all I want just talk to my mom and I promise I W to let that happen and not on no Jail phone not on the recorded line you can use my cell phone but we need the truth you get the truth I just told you that right right so what what is it that I want back to what I was just saying what what did I just ask you for give your mother a phone call you do that I'll tell you everything I tell you what happened what went bad why things was done you get every little detail I don't care I don't care man this [ __ ] I want to make your J when when you had some on the news why did this happen why was this guy killed I want you to have a story okay it's my story over considering that Kenneth has stated he is willing to tell the detective everything in return for a phone call it is in their best interest to comply what detectives do not expect is how heartbreaking this call is going to be for his mother not only with you but with your brothers and sisters okay okay we'll do that [Music] [Music] hello hello could I speak with Felicia Stinson please is this is this Miss Stinson oh on yeah you got to be strong right oh God be you [ __ ] yeah you know why I want you to be strong why because if you don't I mess around and do something in here I I W supposed to be doing you got to be strong man you hear me oh my God what do they got you I'm in Walker Oh God so that so that's what they got most likely yeah one of the robberies that happened somebody got killed they found the gun and Von box the baby bad and Y Know M always talk to y'all to get Y St together why y just do it hard always been hard man come on come on [ __ ] [ __ ] man got be strong M my you can't give up ma yeah remember that story out the Bible what you say you remember that story out the Bible what where uh God allowed the devil to come take everything from this man took everything from and he still give up yeah he stay he stay right listen Ma you got man go onhe my li My go man go finish school take your girls about it this ain't no place for them they going to either dead with one of these beat down they something something my just take your kids and get up out of here you hear [Music] me listen I always love you man always listen just not this time listen man you man if you listen if you break down man my life is over I still got a chance man you hear [Music] me now M yeah I love you I love you with all my heart man but you want me to be Court M or whatever I will be here in the court room for what mama I want you can come you can come to the court you come to the court I'm pretty sure they give you all that information oh God but mine get don't let this be the fall of your life let it be the beginning now listen the detectives they ain't supposed to be letting me on he just let me this his cell phone he doing me a favor cuz I'm going give do him a favor in a minute oh my God I just was a damn night is a dream man yeah me too man listen M we got to be strong dog you hear me my B you want me to be yeah that's all I want from you that's all you hear me wait a minute he don't cry I'm only crying to you is my you got to be strong you can't can't do that me m give up I promise you I give up Ma pleas [Music] M stop I'm not crying no more stop mama stop stop you know what I need you to do for me stop crying you can't hear me like that stop crying okay okay okay man listen stop crying it's going to get real real right now my listen get l no plug do I don't know his his number vonte phone vonte gonna get released his number von phone man get that plug and turn and get Rico that them two right there them they they could be my only way out who talk you this who telling you all this [ __ ] the detective that's sitting in front of me he said there's a possibility DET detective yeah he said there's a possibility he say a possibility yeah who hell want to go on AAP we got to go on something listen you hear me we got to go on something Ma that don't stop the goddamn judge making they decision no it's around damn judge man the judge got the in that court and what you do you just pray and you just pray pray to God man that's what you do and you guys God forgive you Mom M I need you to do that for me man what you want me to do what you want me to do is if they say if they give me this deal or whatever they going to do they they G to throw a plea at me so what what the deal I don't know yet I know I just asked the detective that's in front of me I asked them if I give a few names up a few important people cuz that cut off some of my time he said yeah there's possibility I got to talk to the Milwaukee detective or police he tell you what we do kenth okay um you had a good talk with your mom all come home yeah they all going home too yeah they ain't got nothing to do with none this why don't why don't we finish our business and we can give her a call back later too you Che This Promise yeah as promised Kenneth was given his call now he has to uphold his end of the deal a full unfiltered confession about what happened so maximum is 20 that's potentially a maximum yes depends on all the circumstances [Music] your side K counts immensely that clears up a lot of questions that explains a lot of stuff that's what makes a difference here when I met these guys you know I wasn't I was cooling I didn't want to do you know they came at me like who they were they told you who they were they sticker boys said you want to get down with the team I told him no pull me to the side he said [ __ ] you got you ain't got no choice I like what you mean you know trying to play the tough rad out with him like what you mean like got see to get down lay down I said all right like I'm down I was just playing that's why I told him I down I just playing he said where you want to go I said I don't know it's up to you he said walking sh be sweet said okay sounds good come on he said you going to have a gun though said all right say have you ever used a gun told him yeah but I never used n first time we went driving around walking sh for man couldn't find no places till he peeped out little gas station we coming up a road we got out he supplied the masses and everything see his cousin was supposed to do it with us the one with his mama SL right there mhm was a black masch for him three Masters in total [Music] wa I'm calling my mother again when we're done here exactly when we done here sure no I want to call her after I talk to Milwaukee Police yeah that yeah when we're done with us Milwaukee you can call give her a call of course promise I promise we did once kind we have no reason why not to lie you we already did it once I promised you I was scared in a car he actually G still he said said no ain't no Bing down now we already here said get out the car come on we get out the car he keep telling me as we get out he keep telling me go on ahead do it I'm be waiting for you he when you took a leak and I was Wai I'm like I'm shaking and [ __ ] I'm scared you know what I mean know what the f like damn what the [ __ ] going to happen so I go in the store and I see him come behind me but then when I look back he wasn't there no more the guy start freaking out [ __ ] I started freaking out too I'm like what the [ __ ] should I do you know what I mean so he ran out as I'm climbing over the counter and [ __ ] I don't see him no more all I see is the guy come around and grab me next thing I know the gun go off like wow what the [ __ ] oh my God so I'm shaking I'm like okay I I just did this off for nothing we ain't got I still ain't got nothing and I found the money and stuff he took all the money that's why I was asking you did you get any money mhm he got all the money mhm so you know by the time I make it out the store my Ms fall off my hat fall off and you know I pick these things back up MH I get in the car I was like I I think I shot the guy and he was like oh well oh well I was like no bro I just shot some bro telling him that like he's like you did it on purpose said no I a try to shoot him I he was like oh he got what he deserve like but he down in my head I was like no he didn't and we went back old girl was telling him that she need a cut from mother it went back home I was scared that whole night I was really everybody could tell that I'm uh that I someone right about me it's almost if I wanted to hand myself over for taking a life never killed nobody in De my life never thought it was possible no of course I didn't try to kill dude I didn't know the gun went off until when we get back to my house he told me like he you had it all safy off uh safety all long he took it off safety heart was ping yeah but uh guys got your information now okay let's fill in some of the details okay so when you guys were talking about doing this where were you guys at upstairs in her apartment in her room who's her Amanda that Amanda who was all talking about just me and him okay who who's the him you're talking about guy you got guy we got we got we do have lots of guys I'm talking about the guy you told me about Darren never f F you do know his name I actually don't B whatever I really didn't know his name though you know I never paid attention to his name the name he gave me it wasn't invalid he told the day of birth so I can't see anything happened this is my woo woo woo what did he tell you he told me his birthday was 1995 okay told me his name was uh started with a d but it wasn't d I think it was like Daniel or some [ __ ] well Daryl is his cousin Daryl is his cousin yeah the ballhead guy no the Baldhead guy is Darren Darren yeah yeah yeah that's what I'm talking about the Baldhead guy yeah that's Darren his nickname is bae yeah I didn't know all that though you didn't know his nickname was Bae no he never he never he never used that no okay I know why though his name is burnt up right okay some big drug deal just looking for him and uh CH he ripped somebody down there yeah for uh two keys blew it off okay came to more he told me the story okay so you guys are in the bedroom talking about it is anybody else in the apartment at all while you he wasn't actually it was just a gold thing it wasn't planted wasn't planted at all M he just said he wanted to go get some money okay and he told me I had to be down okay and he said it's either get down or lay down okay so I a want to be no no punk you know deep down inside I'm scared to okay who was all in the in the apartment with you guys just me and him in the room but it was um Amanda his cousin with the mom and every I was in the living room but nobody knew hell was I didn't even know that was going to go down like that where was the gun at the time he had it okay my brother little brother didn't know but uh that night after it was done he told me to put it in the the baby bag he said they wouldn't ever Liv in there who told you that Daryl darl or Darren Darren Darren the ball guy the ball guy okay cuz the other guy goes by Daryl okay yeah that's that's why I say that yeah darl he said they never look in here okay she said all right okay what about the clothes you were wearing hearing the clothes pajama pants and the mask and the shoes what about that jacket you were wearing that's long AG gone where where did it end up on the highway somewhere like on the interstate highway as we was coming back to milwauke threw it out the window as we were driving okay what about that hat yall didn't get I don't have it somewhere it's a nice hat was it in the [Music] apartment I don't I actually tell you the truth I really like it's B missing like [ __ ] happened so fast man oh I understand that what happened to uh the clothes you guys were wearing the girl got rid of everything all the evidence that was left in the car it's ironic that Kenneth and his accomplices got rid of everything but the gun mask and money items that were ultimately used to prove he was the killer so who went in first me you did okay and he was right behind you I think he had a gun on you think yeah okay what kind of gun a revolver revolver did you see see him have it out no but he kept trying to get in back of me okay he's going to kill me if I didn't do it okay I know that for sure though okay so it was either a lose or win it was a lose lose situation for me so when you went in there you said you both freaked out how did the the guy me and the guy freaked out that's what I mean yes the guy and the guy meaning the guy behind the counter how did he freak out describe that to me he just got to going crazy how was he screaming yelling you know waving his arms how yeah he's doing all that okay was he saying anything could you tell what he was saying no I couldn't okay what were you saying I wasn't saying nothing I just had to come I was in shock okay and when I show me how you had to come I hold me yeah show me how you were holding it like this you holding with like this like this like this you everybody holds a little different I don't remember but listen I saw him drop the money where did he drop it back there in the counter so I went to go jump over okay I time him I jump over I he he ran but he was coming around okay and he grabbed where did he grab you right here okay by by your coat okay the and then what happened and for a minute I was just in shock like I'm shaking the death mhm and he scaring me this okay the G was in my hand and it went off okay but it was no uh like boom it was uh one of one of these boom okay when you were holding the good was your finger on the trigger the whole time mhm okay but I thought it was safety on there okay what happened after the gun R off what happened to you I jump back there and he he ran out so I'm expecting like he a i a shoot him that's good so he ran out of the store yeah okay guy ran out of the store okay what happened to he wasn't your guy he wasn't nowhere to be found that's he was gone that's what I'm telling you he was he was by the time I run back to the car they pulling up and he said he said I told you I was with you I was going to leave you m but what I wanted to say is you left me sure anything could have happened right What did the what did you do behind the counter I paused I froze up actually I heard the siren okay and that's when I hurry up and look down I grabbed the money and passed it to him he was like you did now like you did it I scared man when you when you grabb the money where was the money somewhere on the floor just was it on the at what point you grab it did you grab it when you I don't remember I I don't remember all that I tell you the truth man I just know trying to get you the best view I know man good Kenneth's confession comes to an end here and detectives shortly leave the room and the moment he is left alone Kenneth falls into what can only be described as pure Despair and regret I'm so sorry Mom just be strong I want you m you got to be strong for me I know all the commitments one of [Music] them was murder another are stealing and there with a few others but only you can forgive me no one else only you can set my soul free only you can help me go to heaven only you can help me change my life well I got to be willing to change in order for you to help me and I'm willing to take that chance right now help me change the thoughts change the evil help me became a help me become a better man this day on thank you for everything you have done for me forgive me for everything I have ever done wrong Lord I'm not asking you to get me up out of this I'm asking you to punish me and set me [Music] free thank you for everything you have done for me once again amen shortly after this the interview concluded and Kenneth went on to speak his truth in court which was obviously going to be far from the truth Kenneth filed a petition seeking a new sentence as he claimed that it was his brother Deontay Stenson who was involved in the robbery this was corroborated by a statement that Deontay himself signed however this proved to be an act as a year later in 2016 Kenneth pled guilty to felony murder which meant that there was malicious intent to murder SED and that this was not done involuntarily consequently he was given 35 years on this murder charge and 10 more in prison because of the multiple robberies on his record including the one that resulted in s's murder as for his accomplice Darren Malone he was sentenced to serve 25 years in prison