so you did expect to have something happen when you went to the house yeah but i don't know what would have happened i would have just played it by ear but your intention was to have sex tonight or oral sex if it went that far in this video we show the interview of a predator who had been grooming what he thought was a 13 year old girl online before making his move to meet her in person to catch a predator has been responsible for the apprehension of hundreds of predators resulting in countless children being spared lifelong trauma the focus of their 275th case paul westwood was the perfect representation of the monsters they were trying to stop for several days westwood set about grooming the persona of 13 year old kaylee who he had met on myspace he put himself in the role of her protector and showered her with compliments and affection slowly and carefully he gauged her reaction to physical contact by saying that he would like to cuddle tickle and even kiss her the more accepting she seemed to be the more explicit he became when the opportunity of kaley being home alone presented itself westwood practically leaped at the chance and drove across state lines from ohio to kentucky to meet here hi paul i'm catherine reed i'm an agent with the kentucky bureau of investigation this is detective tom nixie with the campbell county police department and they read you your rights earlier and you know that you're under arrest you're in custody you're not going home tonight um but we need to take care of some housekeeping issues first he did go over your rights correct and you understood them yeah okay can i have your home address first how long have you lived there since january i'm roaming with my sister right now so is it her home okay do you share the whole house or do you live in a certain part of it i share the house i sleep in the basement you sleep in the basement okay so is that where you do most of your living yeah the majority of it does she come into the basement where you stay yeah she has a craft room down there but is it separated is it one just big basement how's that yeah it's like a bad door i have a back bedroom okay so there's a wall and a door that makes it distinct from her craft room yeah okay we need to get a phone number for you and you said you've been there since january okay and you said you lived in a house in monroe yeah okay like you know subdivision or is it i'm not i've never been to monroe county yeah it's a subdivision of monroe okay there's like a one-story two-story house or one story around you got all that yeah so we're good to go you have an emergency contact yeah my sister you want to give us her name and number okay so you no longer live at this on your driver's license not since the end of l5 okay pete you know that you're under arrest we've already established that and i'd like to talk to you about your situation reid takes westwood's information and speaks in a way designed to put him at ease her word choice is non-confrontational so westwood is more likely to be forthcoming rather than defensive or combative officers who were trying to pin him and get him to drop his weapon jordan didn't give up without a struggle and ended up shooting both officer james rowe and james i'm sure that you have a side of your story and i know what i've seen i know what i've read about i've looked at the chat logs and you came to highland heights to meet someone but if you would like to talk to me about that i would like to hear about it but that's completely up to you i can i can uh fill you in okay um when i originally decided to do that um i was i was having second thoughts and i was i had a i had a feeling just because i watched too many police shows now you said when you originally decided to do that what are we talking about well i originally decided to make the trip around five or six this evening so i went i ran an errand and i talked to myself out of going went back home and i hooked up with her again um yeah hooked up with him kylie yeah um and i decided i don't know i don't know why i decided to uh follow through on it i should have i've never done that before you've never met anybody in a chat room well i've met women in chat rooms but you know i have friends in the chat rooms who are my age or little a little younger but not that young not that young being 13 right or under 120 but they're all friends um and you know that we've all i've done is has talked to them i've exchanged with a few of them i've exchanged phone numbers and we've been talking on and off for months sometimes i don't go into the chat room for a couple of days or a week because i'm busy and tired on the weekends sometimes i like to just relax and get on and chat with the friends of mine who are on there so where where are you when you chat in my room at home the address you gave us yeah in the basement [Music] do you have one pc two one okay you have a webcam [Music] anything else that you use like the pda or trio so that you can stay connected everybody's connected these days just the cam and the computer okay so is it a pc or a laptop you see okay and when you started um do you like go through like yahoo to chat or what do you go through chat i mean what do you go through to chat well i go on a myspace chat room um the ohio myspace chat room um that's where i've been recently is that where you met kylie tell me how you found her tell you the truth i'm not really sure all i know is that i went into the ohio chat room one night somehow we just stroke up a conversation westwood isn't doing himself any favors he claims that he got nervous about going which shows he knew it was wrong he then chose to go anyway in spite of worrying it might be a sting which shows how desperate he was to be with a minor i exchanged we exchanged instant messenger ids i think well we didn't chat in private until we went into the yahoo instant messenger then exchanged information um you know gave her my name and age um she's she seemed okay with it as i said i've never chatted with anyone under in their 20s this time you were okay with her being 13 yeah it was just uh first it was regular you know regular chatting we didn't really get how can i put that i didn't really get involved in special chats she mentioned that she was with a boy two years older than she was and told me how that went you asked her how that went off the top of my head i don't know the specifics all i know is you know i asked her how it went and how she liked it and what all they did together i i just i just don't know what made me want to follow through on it um as i said i left the house once and changed my mind okay i wish i stayed with my gut feeling you know yeah so once you what did what did you all talk to talk about before you planned on coming over you mentioned about special talk yeah you said that you didn't really have special chat in the beginning what what's special chat well what i what i consider special chats is um cyber it's hybrid pretending role playing yeah so did you have any of those early on no just not to my knowledge okay what about before you came over i basically when we when we set it back up i basically asked her to wear a skirt she told me when we originally decided to meet we were going to meet at the bowling alley across the street she told me what she was going to wear told her what i was going to wear now there was a little more conversation than that prior to determining where you were going to meet about kissing and hugging yeah i was i was one i was mentioning to her that i i'm romantic i'm i'm compassionate or i wouldn't mind kissing her something i've never done all right it went beyond that as well yeah i i don't remember what i said to tell you the truth did you chat a lot do i chat a lot yeah with with women my own age or in the neighborhood so you have a lot of cyber chat where you role play and you talk about sex yeah with with women over 20. like almost every other predator westwood claims that he doesn't remember the specifics of the conversations he has had it's pointless because reed already has the chat logs at her disposal westwood also tries to emphasize that he mostly talks to women his own age reid refrains from telling him that if he had stuck to those options he wouldn't have landed himself in jail fine well let's talk about specifically what you said to her since you don't remember we just need some clarity just some clarification that's all we're looking for is and i think you're you're you're being honest with us and that's all we're looking for trying to be and you know um i just want to understand you know where we were going with this i don't know and if you can explain it for me then you know it makes things i'm cool with it he's cool with it i'm to tell you the truth i'm i've never i'm not saying i've never chatted before you know that's that's a given but as i said i've never chatted with anyone under i'll say 20 to be safe you know most of the women i i meet are in their 30s and 40s and it's just you know fun chat well let's let's uh talk about this real quick what uh screening do you go by in yahoo or in my space both myspace is paul yeah that's that's what my uh that's what my myspace id is paul just p-a-u-l yeah in the yahoo chat or in the yahoo instant messenger it's uh 11. but with a with an underscore between peak and wood this here this chat that you yes okay and this is the person you were talking about yes cali k-y-l-e-e-l-e-e okay so you recognize that and do you remember when you started chatting with carolyn originally yeah probably in one to two weeks do you usually talk to somebody that long i mean yeah over that amount of time two weeks yeah some of my friends i i chat with almost every night so you consider her a friend yeah i guess you talk about in your chat that you're a lonely guy um what's that about well you said you've been living with your sister since january yeah so well i bring me up to that point okay i was married in one married for four years we separated she moved back into the family i moved to westchester um and then i've lived there for a year and then january of this year i moved in with my sister my wife and i were very close for the for two of the four years and we started drifting apart and we're still friends but we decided to separate i'm in the middle of a divorce i'm in the middle of filing for divorce um you found yeah i'm going to file i've got the paperwork already so you're separated actually we've been separated a little over a year um but we're still friends we still see each other sounds like you're uh in between relationships basically okay uh specifically you you talk to kylie about uh and you say special chat with you here on the phone while we're both alone i'd love us to make each other feel good because i'm lonely tonight where were you going well basically a romantic chat okay do you recall having this conversation not word for word but yes okay tell me about it um i just suggested that uh um we could get together and uh cuddle on the couch watch movies or watch tv i've told her on a few occasions that that i am kind of lonely and i don't have any friends that's why i go into the chat rooms what westwood is describing is emotional manipulation by presenting himself as lonely and needing someone he was playing on her sympathies and the natural need to please others that is common in teens if she refused she would have been hurting him and the sense of guilt would have led her to do things outside of her comfort zone this is how many young girls are lured into these types of situations and i thought we could keep each other company you think he would have wanted more i don't know i mean you're lonely i understand and a lot of things are on your mind divorce separation um those are those are natural feelings i understand [Music] do you think once you got up here cuddling and being together watching movies you think there could have been a point where possibly could have went further well i would try to draw the line at cuddling in your chat you specifically uh told her that you'd like to have oral sex somebody would have went a little bit further a little bit yeah and you graphically talked about how you would do that in her breasts you talked about staying the night you talked about her being sexy in her nightgown that you'd be rubbing her thighs massaging and kissing her breasts and then you talk to her about if she had ever gone down on a guy the guy that she had been with and then you talk about that this aroused you that you were ready to masturbate to ejaculate from from the conversation a nail in the coffin question and answer in three two one so you did expect to have something happen when you went to the house yeah but i don't know what would have happened i would have just played it by ear westwood admits his intentions but your intention was to have sex tonight or oral sex if it went that far yeah okay did you bring anything with you anything special with you bring any movies or anything with you tonight no just just that bag of pop okay was that for you or did you mention you to bring that or that was for me okay so were you going to stay the night no i wasn't no no i had made my mind up to uh to not stay the night okay what made you change your mind about that in the chat you indicated that you would spend the night yeah well i i was thinking about it coming down here and i'm involved i'm actively involved in my church and and i have obligations to him so that would have made the difference you could have came down here and had sex with her but as long as you didn't stay the night it was okay well i wasn't you know i wasn't planning to spend the night because i i had plans for tomorrow anyway westwood is under the misguided impression that it sounds better if he wasn't planning on spending the night but he has already made it clear exactly what actions he was hoping to perform the length of time is irrelevant to go to church is there any in on your computer i know you chat a lot and you said nobody under 20. if that was ever looked at would there be anybody else around the age of 13 14 on there that you chatted with if somebody looked at it there's there's a few uh around 15. okay and have you ever tried to meet her no how long ago was that how long ago did i meet him yeah yeah at least a year okay and what'd you guys talk about his normal stuff sports school activities did you get into a little bit of discipline too not with not with most of them but you did with someone um it was the same type of talk that you had here with uh kylie i think tops but basically the same yeah okay um on your computer at your place there uh there is any type of pictures of miners or anything on there is there nothing i'm aware of okay you don't do you visit any type of you know early legal or anything like that underage any type of websites or anything like that that you're aware of no okay nothing like that would be would be on there westwood has been calm and almost motionless up to this point when asked if there's any illegal material on his computer he almost immediately starts nervously rubbing his hand it is a strong indication of lying and you can practically hear the warrant writing itself see what about you said you had a webcam have you ever exchanged any explicit photographs or any pictures of you masturbating or while you're cybering a more interactive situation where you can see them and they can see you not with minors but it may be on your computer i'm not sure photographs of you through the web oh um it might be i don't know you know all i know about that webcam is that it's just a live feed it doesn't save any still pictures okay but have you exposed yourself i mean can't tell you or anything not the miners okay have you ever sent any uh pornographic pictures to other adults to other adults yeah yeah you know the other friends of mine okay are these men women it's women so you term them as friends okay what um sets them aside from someone who you may be interested in having a relationship or are you interested i am interested in one specifically for a potential relationship we've been she lives in in oklahoma and we basically talk every night not online but we talk every night we've we've chatted on our nights off in this particular chat with kylie there you referred to another person that you were chatting with do you remember who that was yeah yeah she's she's 19. her name is her name is brenda is that her screen name or is that her name that she's well i believe it's her name because she also uses it as her screen name just brenda no numbers or no that's a 19 year old you were talking about yeah okay from oklahoma no uh that one is a 47 year old okay um so you don't discriminate as far as how old or young they are no i'm going to be right back i'll step on for a second is there a chance i can get a glass of water yeah i'll take care of that for you in a few minutes um go ahead well i'm just wanting to know what's uh what's going to happen from here well at this point we're going to write up your citation and we're going to get you transported to the local jail and then they'll process you there and then you'll have an arraignment and set your bail i don't know that it may be monday before that happens or later so you're going to be spending the night at least um so will i well will i be able to well the two main questions i have is am i going to be able to attend church tomorrow and am i going to be able to go back to work on monday you're not going to be going to church tomorrow okay i live with that i don't know about work that's going to depend on when you're arraigned and when your bail set so i can't make any promises on that the idea that there is any possibility of westwood leaving the jail anytime soon borders on the delusional reed breaks it to him gently even though she knows there is no way he will be going to work on monday westwood is foolish enough to even want to once word gets out it is doubtful he will be welcome okay right now one of my most important questions i know i know i did something wrong okay i admit that you admit that you came to see a 13 year old and have sex with them yeah and i feel i feel bad about it i can't explain it but i i know i did something wrong and what i'm driving at is is my sister going to be notified about this um not unless you tell her okay so you have no reason to bring my sister into this situation um we'd like to take a look at your computer if you wanted to give us consent to do that you know we does it have to be at that at the residence or can i bring it somewhere for you guys to do you're going to be in jail so you know we would have to be able to get access to that computer you know are you the only one that uses the computer or does your sister use it as well that computer is mine she has her own and it's in your room yeah on the basement level of the house and you say she has a computer she has her own laptop that she uses a laptop yeah and where does she keep it on the first on the main floor either in her office or out in the living room okay what i was driving at is it it seems that she is going to find out because if you have to have access to the computer you have to go to the residence to do it right well there's different ways to deal with this and i mean if you want to cooperate you know and give us consent to look at your computer you know we'll gladly take your consent to do so i just i'm i'm trying to kind of build my life back again you know i know this is a big setback yeah uh yeah it's going to be tough for you but you're doing the right thing but you're facing it head on and you know that's the way to what i'm what i'm wanting not to do is have to explain any of this to my sister i'm not trying to keep anything from her but i'm trying to turn my life around i'm trying to recuperate from my divorce and uh get on my feet financially and otherwise why why are you fearful for your sister well i'm trying to you know i'm getting back into church and she's we're she and i are bonding now and we usually we never did bond before and we had a we had a hard life and uh if i i think i think i want to lose her love and her trust if she finds out what i did and why i did it that's that's kind of why i was you know i can't promise you that she's not going to find out you know that's a part of you having to deal with moving forward and and dealing with that i can't promise you but like agent reedus said early on there's two routes you can come in here you can sit here and tell us nothing and just be hardcore or you can take the route you've taken and say okay i made a mistake i can only i can only go up now and that's what you're doing you're taking you know you're you're being open about it and that's to me that that means it means a lot and um you know you know your head straight forward you're being with up front with us and that's you know a lot of times we don't get that that speaks volumes for you okay and i know you're active in the church you know you want to get your life around and sounds like it's like some some of it's worked for you okay jimmy you got in there and said uh this or that um but like agent reed says i we can't tell you the truth it's not your sister's not gonna know i mean i mean she's obviously gonna find out when you don't come home that something's out well she's gonna have questions for you she's right she's busy this weekend she's not expected home until sometime tomorrow afternoon but do you have any kids did i miss that earlier so you don't have any children does she no okay well as i said she won't be scheduled home until tomorrow afternoon [Music] you know i and as you said there's probably no way that she will not find out westwood's sister is going to find out everyone he knows is going to find out the police aren't going to let him anywhere near his computer before they get to it and they certainly aren't going to creep into the house to retrieve it discreetly westwood can pretty much kiss his relationship with his sister goodbye i just don't know how i'm going to explain it yeah you know i can't i can i can tell her i was arrested and if she asks what for i'm going to have to tell her the truth i can't i don't want to lie that's your call that's your calling and you're going to have time to think about it before she gets back you know how you're going to deal with that and did you have a cell phone or anything with you when you no okay i don't have a cell phone yet so you don't own a cell phone at all no in your pc down in the basement with you that's the only pc is there another pc in the house well the other one is my sister's but this is the only one i use i don't i don't so there's a laptop that she keeps she keeps upstairs i don't use i only use my my pc now is there a separate entrance to the basement that you use or do you know it goes up stairs into the kitchen so you have to come in where to get to your i come in through the garage through the garage into the kitchen and make a make a turn and go right downstairs all right okay well um i guess the biggest thing is i guess regarding to consent oh you're which way you're honest we kind of know which way to go with you if you feel like you want a consent regarding you know checking everything out verifying everything she has a form that's up to you if you want to sign it or not if you do um you'll have you signed it you know you're you want to consent to have your unit computer and stuff checked out um if not but that's up to you okay is it is it going to hurt my case if i if i refuse the consent no it's your it's your it's your call your call i mean consent if you want to say no it's not going to change what we've talked about here you've told me the truth i'm cool with that if you tell me no i just take that blank paper back out the door or if you tell me yes we'll sit here and we'll fill it out you'll get to read it you'll know exactly what it says and you know everybody will feel good about it and will have consent to look at the computer i mean that's your call um i think i'm going to refuse the consent okay that's all it comes to comes about see we're we're not tough guys we just and girls we just want to find out what happened and you know go easy nobody's been mean to you or rude that i know of so not that this is a good experience for you but i hope that you can i've learned it you can build off of it yeah adriano you stepping out if anything just let me know okay i'll be in a few minutes it's westwood [Music] another question i've got and so i know what's going to happen um when all is said and done and all this is processed uh am i going to lose my truck um you know they will uh that's the best way i can ask they will take your vehicle to a secure location and at that point you know once you get out of jail you can make arrangements to see what the plan is with your vehicle i'm not sure at this point how that will be addressed but once you get out of jail you can ask them about your vehicle and they'll give you that information freely okay all right you can tell by his facial expression that westwood is trying to think of anything that will get him out of or at least minimize his situation he isn't coming up with anything and the first wave of panic is really beginning to set in when it comes to sting operations like this the suspect usually thinks that they will be able to walk away with nothing more serious than a warning because they didn't do anything and you go by paul you said on myspace right is that do you use any other nicknames or alias no i'm just paul okay and can you give me your address one more time phone number okay in that emergency phone number you're a non-resident of kentucky marital status separated okay is the information on your id here height weight all that correct height 510 510 and i weigh with 216. hair color brown and i color hazel oh um social security number and why are you employed and that's where uh westchester is it one word or two two so okay do you ever use computer there no and so you gave them your vehicle information as well right yeah what should do you work at the distribution second 1987. judging by the worried look in westwood's eyes he is realizing that this is going to affect his job as well the police are not going to take his word that he doesn't have computer access while at work and they will be making calls to check up and possibly confiscate any electronic devices paul westwood was charged with a felony count of traveling with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct a subsequent warrant for the search of his home computer was granted and on it police discovered illegal images of minors westwood was sentenced to three years in prison after pleading guilty to a felony count of pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor during this time he received an extra 51 months for attempting to meet a child for sex following his release westwood was ordered to serve a 20-year term of supervised release and register as a sex offender westwood must update his status with law enforcement every 90 days for the rest of his life hopefully you enjoyed the video if you did there is a patreon link in the description where you can support the channel further thank you for watching i'll see you in the next one [Music]