the courtroom full of high emotions however Anderson had a blank expression and held his head down for most of the time now today in court we also saw the video leading up to the moment Joshua was murdered some people were told to leave the courtroom for making outbursts during this emotional time pcel sister says her life will never be the same in the previous Video Anderson has refused to admit to watching the live stream of going to confront Josh PC with his own brother admitting to the detectives what had happened in addition to the shooting being caught on tape Anderson is almost certainly facing murder charges if he doesn't start cooperating it is a long and frustrating process but the detectives are up to the task and I know it's hard we see we ask these things you my brother said so so so when somebody get shot and like and it's a witness have to come in and tell you everything happen and it have to testify ain't it you have to testify right so you're thinking I could probably get my brother not to testify no and I'm yeah yeah your brother if if this goes yeah if this was to go go to a courtroom setting you know for a multitude of reasons speak of trial he even get called at some some hearings he called at deposition so on and so forth yes he he's going to have to say what he said in here they're going to ask him the same questions that we asked him um if Anderson's brother changed his story at the trial it would likely only serve to make Anderson look even more guilty and a jury would most likely believe he had been coerced um and I'll be honest if he changes his story you know what they're going to do hit play on the video and then not only is he's in trouble for trying to protect you again that's was asking a lot of Danny to change his statement to go back against what he's already said under oath that will be asking a lot of him I know the people do it all the time people on the streets and everything but if you do that to your own brother he's going to have to pay the price for that know person who did going have to pay the price the person who did it yeah the person who asked your brother to change the statement no yeah yeah they would what you trying to say they would they would have to pay the price for that but so would he they would impeach his testimony by playing the video of his statement y'all keep saying to say stuff over and over I know I get tired of listening to myself talk I really do I want you to talk for a change I talk I didn't talk the whole time I've been here okay only time I don't talk anybody in here would you like to tell us what happened about what oh I I don't know um what you watched on TV last night no about about the shooting that we're investigating I talking about whole shooting bro talking about TV I'm talking about what we talking about right now okay all right sh what so how do you feel that your mom Miss Stephanie believes Danny especially after watching the video listen to some of the evidence that we have that she believes Danny when Danny says that there was a threat coming at the house and you went out there to deal with it how does that make you feel do she believes Dan going to the bathroom you have this so what um what's I mean I came back he's still not telling us who in the bathroom they it was C I don't know so you in the room talking I want to see him grind I a see him grind I went to the bathroom then I went downst to smoke a cigarette but I ain't see him crying you was in the room with him was it yeah but not all the time I went to go use the bathroom and I went to go smoke a cigarette I don't know if he was crying or not I don't know what you talking about so we just right now what you was doing oh going to go use the bathroom he was Nor yeah just sitting on his phone thing and talking to me he doesn't seem to think it's affecting him that he had to tell on his Anderson is trying to determine how truthful the detectives have been about his brother's statement brother he's trying to help his own brother out you're not trying to help yourself I mean I I I I don't know my head starting to hurt and I want to go I mean I don't know want me to sit up here and tell them something I don't know your own brother said you know your own brother told your mom sat in there and heard what he said he gave it and your mom saw that video and saw that the threat was coming your way and then if you see the video you'll be you probably would go ahead and tell them what you need to tell them because he saw the video that night he saw it that night that's why he went out there somebody was on there cuz just like I was telling my son I say somebody was the boy was saying oh [ __ ] you know where we at or some and just come out the door we can fight here in the grass and all this and all that and somebody was saying well how far you is or some [ __ ] like that like he was talking to somebody on the video somebody was watching me I don't know a nobody Li bro nothing about nothing okay so you're saying that Danny's lying when Danny said he saw this live well then that's what we're asking you Danny said he saw this live and brought it and showed it to you and you saw it and you were watching it and then you decided to leave the house and go protect you guys you're saying that Danny's lying about that never said that okay then tell us what happened I'm me to tell you something I don't know about you do know about that that directly affects you Danny came to you one thing I can promise you if you walk out of this door today without giving the truth this is your last chance to give that truth you me do that what you mean I mean if you don't tell us your story your side of it we cannot make a self-defense case for you that can't happen without you B baby if it was me I would talk to understand come and it seem like she trying and it seem like she trying to [ __ ] help because if I would have thought them people was against us baby baby let me tell you something see she know what she talking about she trying seem like she trying to help you they say well baby let me tell you something and then you don't even want to ask me the same questions over and over bro and I think they telling the truth that they trying to because they going to see at they own eyes and they heard and then when they send it to the state the state going to look at it they them people was saying what they was coming to do and they had the guns you don't even want to trust them ask see can they do it for s ADV instead of getting I'm not going to sit up here and tell nobody something I don't know nothing about but baby guess what just get 10 years for sub defense bro not on that bro 10 years for self-defense baby let me tell you people walk out the door for self-defense we just had one a couple weeks ago and still of a life s first-degree murder that's life Anderson's mother tries to convince him to tell the truth she is the video and she knows that continuing to insist he wasn't involved is going to end badly unsurprisingly Anderson thinks he knows better I didn't do I don't know who did what but they already know where the [ __ ] I was I was in my house and I'm done I'm sick of I'm ready to go and everything can I wa outside like the main entrance we we got to get someone to walk out okay what about Danny got hang hang on a second to all right he says when people walk through from set defenses people happen all the time did you not see what happened on putham Street about a month ago what happened someone shot and killed somebody and he was self-defense and he didn't have to go to jail it happens all the time all the time it was all in the media did you not read it mm no was license no he w license you ain't got to have a license to have a gun did you not hear that a a there's no such thing as a license there you only have to have a license to can carry it concealed to in other words to carry it concealed hidden in your on your person that's the only reason you need a license conceal care you don't have to have a license to have a gun you don't have to have a license to have a gun in your house you don't have to have license to defend yourself with a gun you're not a convict a felon right you're allowed to have a gun if that's the part that you're worried about that's I just laid it out for you you're not a convicted felon you were defending yourself it was 300 feet 300 yards from your house have me if I don't tell to lock me up bro if the evidence points that way like your mom said we got to present everything to the state attorney we can't present to them and argue for a self-defense case if you don't tell us they're the ones who make that decision I have to be able to go to them and give them everything in the case all the evidence we have including all the statements from everybody including those from Danny my life bull it's not throwing your life away this is what you're going to do to save your life because the other option is throwing your life away that's what I'm telling you self-defense is the part that's going to save your life I'm going do done a 10 Years bro did you not hear me say how people walk away from self-defense all day long not we just have one over off of putam a black man killed a white man and he walked away cuz why it was self-defense someone was coming to attack him and he defended himself that was in the media everybody out there was talking about it he walked out the door didn't get arrested nothing he came down here sat in this room and told us how he felt told us what he thought was going to happen and what he had to do for it and guess what we drove his ass back home yes that's what happened it happens all the time what we're trying to do is prevent you from as you say throw your life away you think the self-defense side is throwing away and that's not the part that's going to throw it away that you not claiming your self-defense is what's going to throw it away because then I got to go to the state with everything I have that points towards you including the statement from Danny and say he's he's denying it he won't claim self-defense he you're the only one that can claim self-defense you're the only one that can claim what was going through your head at that time when you saw that video and you went out there you're the only one Danny can't do it for you he tried in his mind that's what you were doing you were defending your family that's ask ask it to talk to you not a't no bad way I'm just yeah you're sitting here talking to us now this is this is your chance this is your chance to claim your self-defense this is your chance to claim what you were doing out there because like I said otherwise everything's G to be presented to the state attorney and we're going to say nope he wanted deny being there said he was never there even though we can prove that he was he wanted to deny see in the live video even though we could prove that he did he wanted to yes we can prove it through all the evidence in the case and I don't have to lay that out here for you but you'll see it if you want to take it that road okay I I've been in contact with your mom since day one trying to help you guys out I know okay I can't help you if you're not willing to help yourself I'm saying I can just sit up here and just tell you some [ __ ] about some self-defense bro no you got to tell me about what actually happened that day and if you if that's not how you want to word it word it however you need to word it but I have to hear it from you to be able to make that argument while Anderson comes across as stubborn it may be that he wants the detective to convince him that he isn't going to go to prison the state attorney's office if I don't do that we going to go to child it's going to be the state attorney's decision absolutely their decision whatever they decide to charge you with and then by that time it's too late to go on the stand and claim self-defense CU they're going to look at it you had every opportunity every opportunity to do it you didn't ask for this you didn't ask for them to come to your house you didn't ask for them to threaten you guys you can't be around no guns H I said once you can't be around no guns yeah are you a convicted felon as an adult I got Burly charges I was ju that it's juvenile I said you got any as an adult no you know when you're adult starts and this is we don't want this to go on your record as a negative people justifiably shoot people all the time I know people would have went through this the same [ __ ] bro they was to my selfdefense let big you probably don't know all the facts of that case because it was legitimately self-defense if they they would have walked out do you think you legitimately 100% for self-defense in your case I think you do but I can't claim it for you Danny thinks she did say every case is you cannot weigh what you think someone else went through on you because you know why you only know what they told you you don't know everything in that cas this case you know everything you're involved in this one you know what happened on that video you know what you were doing you know what happened a month before when someone already came to your house and put a gun to your mother's head you can't you know all those things come into play when you're defending yourself in your house they were close enough to your house to where guess you that that can be defense you did not want them to get to your brother and your mother you tell mebody anybody you let them out walk free yeah we did I just told you we did that a month ago I don't believe that well it's in the freaking media why don't you look it up it happened it happens all the time I've done that many of times many of times we've done it he literally came down here sat in the same room you're sitting in he was down here for a few hours yeah cuz just like you everybody's hesitant to say that they killed somebody that they shot somebody because they afraid but when he finally came off and was able to explain what happened it was completely justifiable shooting and he was able he literally got back in the car and was driven back home before officers were even done search in his house it happens all the time the difference is is there's other shootings that you're probably thinking of that you might know people in that they they think it's Justified and it's not I've been sitting here telling you since day one your mom saw the video she understands that it would be hell Danny thinks that that's exactly what you're doing you going down there to defend us or your them is it okay if my son St in no no ma'am can you step back out please you know what it is yeah I I just told your mom exactly what's happening and she's done she's going home she has asked us to drive her home I don't know what else you want man they give you every chance in the world to talk to them why you why why you still trying to leave are are you ready to talk I'll go get my folder and I'll come right back you ready to talk y just listen bro listen to what I'll sit down for five minutes if you ain't started talking the truth then I'm going to make that Anderson is becoming stressed everything is closing in on him and if he doesn't change his story he's looking at a first-degree murder charge me up bro I was trying not to how long did it take how long did it take before I put that on you cuz I'm trying to get the truth out of you that's what I'm trying to not happen y talk my selfdefense bro I already know that have to go that and sit and wait bro no y going to take me straight to the county bro no only if you ain't going to provide a statement so I'm sitting here I'm giving you five minutes before I walk out and go call the state attorney's office if you start talking with the truth so so I'll go call them and I'll have an actual statement and I can make the argument of self-defense for you so I'm not going to account I don't know until I call the state attorney's office right now you're being detained on suspicion of homicide what the [ __ ] I don't know are are you going to talk and with the truth this time listen listen so I can make that argument for you or not listen my people to myself I'm just trying I'm just trying to understand BR to my selfdefense we've sat in here and gone over it with you over and over and over and over and over again people still get life behind that [ __ ] no not for self-defense no I have never heard of anybody getting life for self-defense never I've been doing this for 12 years I know somebody who got 10 years of set defense right now okay and do you know all the facts of their case all of the facts of their case no you know all the facts of your case you know that the officers have sat here the investigators have sat here with you multiple times for multiple months talking to your family trying to get you all to do the right thing so we can close it out and argue the self defense because that's what I would go do when I make the call to the state attorney I'm going to do that argument tonight but I can't do it without your statement so we're now at three minutes we've wasted two minutes arguing over this we got two minutes bro it just me say self defense I'm going have to go to the county not always didn't I just tell you that someone a month no a month ago someone called self-defense and we drove their butts home you make seem like oh you you you you been ly already you already was lying so I can was everything you said before away if you tell me the truth right now and I'll go to him and tell him your statement tell him he came in he was in initially hesitant promise me that huh I can I can promise you that's exactly what I'll go tell him when he came in he was initially hesitant understandably you ain't the first person to sit in here and take hours to finally admit to it you're not going to be the last but on for r 10 years to what do you think 10 years have you ever had a conviction as as an adult no ma'am okay you know how the exactly you know how the point system works there's no way did you intentionally go and try to kill somebody in Cold Blood because that's all you want to do is kill somebody and walk away no okay so add so what you did is you defended your house a threat was coming to your house what we call in law enforcement a credible threat was coming to your your house you knew they had fire you knew that they've already come someone in their friend group has already come to your house a month before and held a gun to your mom's head you knew what they were coming to do and you wanted to stop them before they got to your mom and your brother but you don't got to rush me you just you don't got to rush me you rush me well then tell well then tell me the truth you just had to just walk out and just leave me in here call attorney and just no this is this is how this is how it works this is this is how it works so are you going to tell me the truth we're now in a minute and a half you really got the time on I really do I'm Sor I'm what y saying at this point all yall just know him no it's everything everything adds up to one that's what I'm saying your brother even said it was you and you know we're not lying about that your mom sat there and told you your brother said it was you this is crazy as [ __ ] bro so a no way but ain't no way I can sit here and tell you all that depends you can tell me what happened and I can articulate it it's I don't I'm not asking you to Y y'all know what happened y'all got the video you but I can't I have to have it from your mouth what you what happened after you saw the video and you left that house and went down there I have to have it from you I can't claim it for you you're the only one that can claim this for yourself the only one Danny tried he can't the law doesn't work that way we can't go based on Danny thinking you were going down there to defend you do we think that's what happened yes but the only one that can say that is you you're the only one that can save you from this the only one I'm not the facing all that time bro that's what you understand bro you got responsibilities out here man Anderson is very focused on spending 10 years in prison for self-defense it is unknown how he came up with that number but it is likely something that he read online or it was a sentence received by someone he knows I recently released another patreon exclusive video this time showing a woman who drove so recklessly she ended up plunging into a house killing all four of her passengers who happen to be her friends and co-workers watch your interrogation plus many more patreon exclusive videos at patreon.com stranger stories plus I understand okay and first-degree murder is like life in prison or death penalty I told you out how many times people walk out of here all the time if it's a legitimate self-defense case and I can call the state attorney and make that case it just happened a month ago off of putham it just happened we drove him home after he admitted to shooting somebody because you know what that person was coming to kill him all right y'all know y'all know y right y'all know that was kill somebody right but we can't articulate it he had to sit in here and tell us how he felt when he saw the video what he thought was going to happen and what he did to prevent that from happening that's what we we've been asking you to do for the past several hours I was forcing it on I said to give first first degree murder we weren't forcing it we were telling you that's that's the the only options to homicide goes those are your only options for for charges and homicide whether it's a justifiable homicide which is a self-defense or it's a you intended to kill somebody homicide but I still know people who got 10 years from self-defense but you don't know what their cases are you know your case right you know everything about this case you know what you saw you know what you did and you know why you did it you know what the those other cases you're talking about you know what they're telling you you don't know everything that happened in that case it was defense somebody trying to fight him he killed them fighting is different fighting is different when you're someone's trying to fight and then you should you knew that these boys were showing up with a gun they said it on the live you cannot measure your case next to theirs just like remember investigator Robert sat here and tried to give you a scenario of someone coming in the house and you said that's different yes your case is different from that guy's case also your case is different than the person you know's case every case is different how long have I sat here you think investigators who work homicides and are trying to work a homicide stay in contact with the mother of the person they think did it that try to help them try to make sure that they're okay put them in a hotel so they don't get harmed that don't happen because I know what happened I know that they were coming to cause you guys harm I know you that and I've sat in here for hours trying to help you okay but I just want to sit here and believe got to telling me if if it's going to be that but it's not I'm not you got to understand I'm not just telling you now I've been telling you this for how many months I told you this when you were up here that first time I've been telling your mom your mom and I had been constant communication over text message for the past 8 months through everything else going on in Tallahassee I've stayed in contact with your mom to make sure you guys were safe because I know y'all did what you had to to do to protect yourselves and protect your family but we're now at the point to where we got to close it we got to we got to put it all on the table we not need to get it done with okay I'm about to go make that call do you want me making that call Without You providing your side because if I do that they're not going to look good on I can tell you that right now you have to you have to be the one to claim it your brother can't claim it for you I can't claim it for you you can tell me and I can call him be like listen he came in here he he was hesitant he was scared he he didn't want to ruin the rest of his life but he eventually came off and he told me he had to do what he had to do to protect his family this is how he did it and this is why he thought he had to do it you got all the police reports you got everything to back you up everything leading up to this you got to back you up that's what I've been trying to tell you this whole time I just don't I just don't want to face no Years bro I don't and you can't even you can't even understand that right now because we have to get past this point to even know if that's even even a possibility you could be walking out the front door today or the back door whichever door my car is at but I can't if you're going to sit here and not tell everything I can't make that argument for you I can't that's the way self-defense works you have to be the one you have to be the one to tell me how it went down you have to be the one to tell me why you felt you had to do it even though we know from the video what we can assume how you were feeling and what you wanted to do we can't take assumptions into the court we can't use that in a with law law the law is pretty specific on how it works and I know you're stuck on the friend you know that claims they had self-defense and they got 10 years their case is not your case so so telling me if if if see I what I'm telling you is right here you lay it out for me tell me what happened that night tell me how it happened and why you had to do it even though we know we need to hear it from you okay you tell me that I'm going to step out of here I'm going to go call this attorney's office I'm going to lay it all out for him tell them everything I have in the case tell them what I saw in the video which is disturbing your mom saw you saw how upset she was when she came in here okay that video is disturbing you think you think if you were to go to court and Play that video in court you know and have to go to court no if I'm saying on the other side you might you might not have to there's plenty of times they say no we're not charging anybody he was justified doing that we close it out no court involved Danny won't have to get on the stand and testify nobody will have to do that I can't tell you definitely on anything until you tell me how it all laid out so I can go and argue that with the state attorney and that's what I need to do you going to have to argue that with them I I will argue that with them tonight and tell you what their answer is but I can't do it until you give me your statement unless you want me to go without your statement well I tell you that you going to go and call the that have to be in here yeah for well I'll I'll undo your back I'll I'll hand up you to the chair so your arms aren Stu behind your back after that then what and then I'll call them and talk to them on the phone and then I come back in and let you the detective can tell that Anderson is on the break of confessing but he is still hesitant when he hears that the detective will have to convince the state attorney that this is self-defense you know what they say and if they say you completely Justified which we think is the case we're going to take those off you and we're going to take your butt home and then you won't ever have to hear from this again but if I go and talk to them prise yeah if if that's what I can say I can promise that if that's what the state attorney's decision is is to not charge you see I I can't tell you until you tell me I cannot say anything 100% until you tell me what you say and I make that call to them but I can 100% tell you that I will argue to them your statement and that's me as an investigator a homicide investigator selfdefense I won't be facing no time yeah if it's 100% self-defense you should not be facing any time but I I'm not the one to make that decision and I can't make that decision without hearing from you without hearing your account I cannot make any promises to you of any way other than the only promise I can make is that I once you give me your statement I am going to go make that call to the state attorney and I can promise you that I'm going to argue for your statement and what happened and that you guys were defending yourselves but that's as long as your statement lines up that will be my argument that's what I'm going to do when I make that call say attorney and then when they see everything I'm going to send them the video so they can see the video themselves okay so they can see what you were looking at they can see and know what was coming your way but I can't do anything without a statement from you I mean I can but I can't argue for selfdefense for you without your statement that's the hard part I can't argue your self-defense only you can do that so my brother really say that yeah your mom sat here and told you he said it your brother sat there he didn't cry he he did tear up in his eyes a little bit it's not like it was boohoo crying coming out he teared up when he said it he's like he was going to defend us he was defending us is what he looked at me in my eyes and told me and he didn't come off it right away cuz he was scared he didn't want to get you in trouble but your mom understood I've been talking to your mom since day one explaining to her because we I'm just noty I'm just not trying to I understand about what you're saying I'm not trying to go for no selfdefense but they trying to do some other [ __ ] bro that [ __ ] serious it is serious but you're in it you're in it I know that you're in it that's that's plain and simple we can't get you 100% out of it because you're in it the only thing we can do is if we can put the truth out there hav't you ever heard the saying the truth will set you free in your case your truth is pretty great D there I think so I've been working this case since day one and I've thought that since day one I've never once lied to your brother or your mom or to you I've sat here and told you truths on everything I talked to your mom and your brothers multiple times to make it to make it I was temp with evidence we don't care about tempering with evidence I'm the one making the charges when the state attorney tells me I'm the one that's like okay where we worried about tampering with evidence because you got rid of a gun I talk about that so so so what you're saying is going to be up to you it's the state attorney's made charges on whether or not you get charged with murder okay or self or or they're going to say they believe it's self-defense they make those final decisions what if they don't believe that H what if they don't believe that they're not going to believe if I don't have a statement from you cuz no one can claim it but you I never do this before y didn't do this the first time got me locked up in real yeah well that's that's where we're at that's where we're at now are you ready cuz we're way past our five minutes just listen just listen you got time I got a few minutes on my hands yeah I know I got to say to waiting for me to call them so we can't keep them waiting forever either but I'm ready to I'll sit here and listen if you want to start talking I will shut up and I'll let you tell me from start to finish how it happened and why you felt you had to do it that's what I'll sit here and do I know somebody but I'm saying you can't worry about what someone else did and compare their case like you yourself said when investigator Roberts that's different each case is different and the outcome will be based on multiple factors just because there are similarities does not mean the charges or sentences will be the same as well that person's case is different than your case you know your case Robert going to be like he going to be like see already knew that's some nasty [ __ ] Bro who cares what nasty [ __ ] they do as long as you and your family safe right yeah man that's all that matters right it be recording when I be talking to you yes right not this is crazy it's crazy did you did you ask for this to happen did you want this to happen no did they bring it to your doorstep just hypothetically or I guess metaphorically speaking they bring it to your doorstep almost to your doorstep complet literally but you decided you wanted to protect your brother and your mom [ __ ] they K they almost killed people exactly but I need you to tell me I can't walk around you can stand up for a minute you can't walk very well on those who that other lady was she just she just so straight forward bro yeah yeah she's she's one of my partners she works in my my unit as well me and her investigator Roberts work closely together all the time she's been working this case since day one with me as well should been going on for too long exactly so let's let's wrap it up let's get it to where you don't have to ever hear from it again you can graduate from high school go to college whatever it is you want to do I didn't I wasn't in here when you're talking to investigator Roberts on what your future plans are we what was it welding welding you make a lot of money doing W told there a camera in are you ready to put it out there so we can get it done with talk to him and then you wait here while I call them and then I'm going to come back and tell you everything they tell me no if I was if I was to not to G they going to be like oh then I'm going to call him and I still have to go call him and I'm going tell him and like he he denied being there and he refused to provide any kind of claims of selfdefense or anything like that and they have to just go on everything else self defense either way I'm going can go to court not always the guy that got let out a month ago didn't have to go to court the case got closed out I can't make any guarantees because like I said I can't make those promises to you but I can promise you that I'm going to call and give them all the facts of the case and if you so so so if you want do that they leave it up to you T no I call them and they make the decision whether or not you'll be charged the state attorney makes that decision what if they make a bad decision I've never seen that happen here a trying to get mess bro I understand that but you're already in it that's what I'm telling you it's not like you're not in something and you're trying to basically what say either way you're in it you're in it either way you're in it one way or another you're in it we're trying to make it the easiest way for you D you didn't make this decision for yourself they brought it to you they made this decision for you okay they made that decision only you can help yourself get out of it can let off selfdefense I thought I was only you only had a licensed gun you don't what did I tell you you don't do you pay attention to gun laws really there's no such thing as license for gun it's a license to concealed carry is what you're hearing I'm saying if you get if you get if you get caught with a gun you you don't supposed to have it that's a whole gun do and only if you are a convicted felon as an adult are you no you only have juvenile charges got juile Char and if you're concealed carrying a gun you defending yourself with a firearm is not CA we've even had people who self-defense and they were felons with a gun but they legally defended themselves and they didn't even the state chose not to charge them with even if fell in possession of the fire because they defended theirselves so what about so what about if family want in Justice well we will handle that if we need to protect our family we will I've done it before I've put your mom in the hotel I've done it before bro this is crazy as [ __ ] it is but crazy it is what it is we're we're in it you're in it it doesn't matter there's no taking it back you can't turn back time the detective has gone over the 5 minutes she had given and but she can tell that if she pushes just a little longer she will be able to get the information she needs I know we just have to we just have to do what we have to do from here and do what we can to get you out of it me asking you that no I need you I I need you to tell me what happened because the state attorney is not be sitting around waiting forever they're waiting for my call like real talk real talk they're waiting for my call so they waiting on you like what you doing yeah they they know that I should be getting information from you and having the final piece and calling them so they know about my brother or something about Danny they they they know about Dan they don't know about Danny yet but they will when I call them they knew we were talking to you all today and you KN like today like oh yeah like today like we playing with no more yeah that's what I told you that's what I told your mom today is the day you said the state attorney M the state attorney's office the state attorney help me fight or beat my kids they are the ones who decide whether or not they're going to prosecute you and that's what the call is I have to make call them to see if they they're going to prosecute you prosecu what that means they say yes we're going to prosecute or no he was justified and killing him we're not going to prosecute close it out good to go that sounds so good to be true really have you not seen all the ones that happened lately there's been a lot you can't you can't you can't just you can't just you can't just tell me that and then just expect for me to believe that you know you can't just tell me that's the way it works I don't know what else to tell you to make you believe it it's the way it works I'm about to walk out of here and make that phone call okay well then you need to tell me cuz I'm we've been sitting here we've been here for 5 hours now so so so if you walk out room you going to tell them ain't give No statement I'm I'm going to say he denied it and he's back and forth he's denying being there and he don't want I don't tell him who to prosecute or not I just tell them the facts of the case now I can argue for a self-defense case I've done it before I'll do it again so so so Bally saying be 10 years none of that I can't tell you what it's going to be until you tell me what that that's that's what I'm trying to I can't give you a guarantee you have to tell tell me what happened and I have to go make that call to them so I'm about to walk out and go make that call unless you are going to talk right now they going be like man lock his ass up man playing with yeah they probably will if you don't tell the truth you what did I tell you only you can claim self-defense no one else can CLA I can't go claim it for you if you give me this statement I have this backup like you said there's video and there's audio in here I mean like this is what he told me you can go see it this is how it happened his brother told me his brother said he went out to defend us on the same audio video recording but if I go out there now without that from you they're going to want to charge you right they going to talk there's a chance murder charge yeah sh murder is a lot worse than a self-defense and a self-defense there's a good chance that you can walk out the door today I'm saying people going to know that who's going to know that nobody's going to know that until I know I know what they were for no reason I know what they were trying to do but it's not your fault that they came to your door and and you defended yourself okay you were put in a situation where you had to make a [Music] decision and you made that decision and yall know that we do but I can't claim it for you you have to tell me you have to be the one to claim how you were feeling and what went through your head and why you did what you did that has to be you that's I can't do that part for you Danny couldn't do that part for you either let go rob it up huh Roberts he went to take your mom home your mom and Danny home it'ss all right you get your book hard to open this so I can see Weir all right do you want me to sit down and talk or do you just want me to go sit with there okay okay ask you with or without talking am I going on tonight I don't know you don't know I don't know I just told you we don't make that decision that's a statement the police are unable to make any promises concerning the charges in murder cases this is up to the state attorney who may take into account the detective's recommendation or may ignore it completely start bro H I don't even know to start cuz like on video it's like like it's de what I'm trying to say what do you mean it's you said it's deaf I said I I said for the video it's it's there yeah ask me all right at what point did you start seeing the video what were they doing or could you tell where they were no I can tell where they were but I didn't know that somewhere close Okay so who could you see in the video person I going live okay and what do you call him by do you know their names no you know nicknames Instagrams okay if you're going to differentiate between the two would you say like you know what's the big difference between them is it their skin color is it their height is it their weight like if I said big guy and little guy you know who I'm talking about they same size like it went too much matter they understand size okay um but the you know who I'm talking about I say the bigger guy the stockier one that that was with him mhm I guess you ask me do I know him okay so you know that there's three people there okay so you know let's say person one and person two okay um can you describe who person one would be to you you know what I mean so I can tell who you're talking about as far as what they're doing in the video I just know talk about oh put this put this gun right here let me see that gun that bad do this shoot the kill this and that do all this that's it do you remember seeing a gun not really okay what do you remember seeing when they were talking about that I think I think it y gotw y'all see gun in the law honestly I don't remember if I see the gun but I remember what they were doing you know what I'm saying okay do you remember what they were doing when he was saying that you remember who was saying that I it was just walking was walking okay so he says take this and then what does he do he doing a lot talking I mean I remember him doing something when he says take this right what is he talking about oh the gun okay what does he do with the gun I don't know either I don't know either in his hand I don't know okay so when he says take this can you tell where he's at okay but you know that he's talking about a gun you said okay um what did he say as far as what he was going to do and where he was going to go and stuff like that walk me through that ask me what he do and say what he was saying about where he was going and what he was going to do he was like he was like he I'm going to go to Five go to 5 to she don't to the like I'm coming to the main house something have that happen something this and that okay and is that your address yes no okay do you know how he knows where yall live okay was that a surprise to you that he knew where you guys live he probably he probably from his M okay everybody everybody just not everybody don't know we live at but it's just like it's right there on Front Street okay all right so he's saying he's going to come there that he's going to fire off and stuff like that he's talking about the guns he says here take this he's got two guys with him okay where are you at when you're seeing this after months of lying Anderson finally admits that he was home at the time okay where in the house though I don't okay you share your room with anybody my brother which brother my little brother okay so Danny right okay um which one of you noticed the video first my brother okay Danny didn't was he on his phone or a tablet or computer how did he see it phone okay did he start showing you the video or did he tell you to pull it up or how did that happen no it was just like this went this went live and I guess my brother joined it okay so he starts watching it okay do you know at what point in that video he started seeing it no ma' okay so he starts seeing it he shows it to you you remember the the three of them are walking they're talking about coming to your house giving your address did they say who they were coming to Target they said I think they said they coming for Daniel coming for Daniel coming for this and that okay and what was the beef between him and Daniel I don't know my brother rap they just be thinking they just be thinking my brother just rap and I think they just like my brother rap man you be hating okay but they got some kind of beef with Daniel was Daniel actually at the house okay where was he he was a girlfriend okay and what's her name Zoe okay what did she do I don't know I just I just know the police like oh here with his girlfriend here with Zoe you sa yeah that's true all right so he wasn't there but Danny's there was your mom in the house when this all happened my mom was in the room okay does she normally keep the door shut open shut open just it just depends it depends okay do you remember that day if it was shut or open or she saw you or anything like that okay all right so you're watching this video he's saying that he's coming to your house that he's going to Target Daniel now we know that Daniel isn't there but what are you concerned about what do you think is going to happen my life my brother's life my M Life okay it was like it was like kids and [ __ ] exuse my language kids outside anybody anybody anybody kids outside people people walking around all type all type of it was whole bunch of stuff okay so you're worried about you you're you're worried about your brother you're worried about your mama you're worried about the house you're worried about anybody that could be outside that could I mean he's talking about a gun right so what do you think is going to happen he he was coming like was coming to kill the whole house okay it's like he was going to shoot you guys have you ever seen what happens to people when they get shot I mean have you known anybody that got shot okay um you know hear about anybody that's gotten hurt or died from being shot not okay so you know that that's a reality then right okay so okay and I know that you said that when you first saw him start up um or when you first started watching the video you didn't really know where he was was there a point that you could see where he was walking like you recognize the surroundings or anything like that no man I was just it was just like it was like oh he said he come and he so we got to protect ourself okay I guess my question is how do you know to go to the cut you see the cut from the road you just look and see okay so I know if I'm staying at your house I can look down the road there's that little dead end then the cut and then the church right but how did you know to go that way opposed to you know going back the other way out the neighborhood say that again I'm trying to remember what the other road is right there she she was still on the phone with him I mean she didn't come back in here then yeah she probably is okay so I know this is y'all right here right and this is the cut to the church so how do you know to go this way instead of coming back up here to Orange Avenue you get once you come to the road you can see you can see straight down yeah I know you can see straight down but how did you know that he was over here opposed to being like over here oh the live video okay so you could tell where he was like not not as not as like first thing oh yeah I know he at M it was like it was like later later later later later later later later when I started seeing like my area my neighborhood okay so like you're seeing houses and stuff like that that you recognize them Anderson had to recognize the location fairly quickly since he was able to determine the route to take to place him behind perel hey can I help you with that this is typically more comfortable it's down here but now it's up above up you want it up under there all right so when you see him in your neighborhood does that make you think that he's coming or going to your house well who's already St on he was already saying like off come here so he's saying he's coming there you start seeing the houses that you recognize they're in your hood do you think there's any chance he's not coming to your house okay you think he was joking or bluffing okay so you didn't take it as a joke then right about about killing talking about weapons you play that that okay um so at the point that he says here hold this um do you remember if you were still in your house or if you're out of your house it was something it was it was something like is or let me see them let me see them too some something something something like that and I I I remember hearing stuff like that I just don't independently remember when that happened okay all right so what you going to see I was going to say you go down to the cut what do you see what is he doing I got see if I can find a marker real quick cuz I'm a visual person I don't know all right I'm going to the county tonight what's up I said I'm going to the county tonight I don't know we're going to tell the state what we're talking about it's going to be up to them all right so your house is right here this is your road this is a little cut that goes over to the church parking lot right all right and I'll take you out of that so that you can show me okay I still got to leave these on because it's policy that once you are like this I got to leave on just be careful where you step okay so where were you when you first saw them what is it the road yeah like this is the road this is the little cut so there's like the trees over here right and then this is the parking lot so like orange avenu is up here and wanish is over here that look right to you just my just the the road to get go time to the church yep so we got here yeah so like I know this isn't like to scale you know it's not like Google Maps so let's say that the last house is right here you know which house I'm talking about okay and then this is all the woods so when you first see them where are you at right right here okay like right by that gate kind of I'm just I don't need I'm coming out I'm coming out the house walking down walking down the road trying like trying to make sure I won't even get make sure I'm just trying to make sure my my people were straight I just my people straight okay when you say your people were straight which people are you worried about my my mama and my mom and my brother okay so they stayed in the house right okay so when you went outside what did you think you needed to do po the fence okay I hear you so when you go out there where are you at when you first see them after mapping out the location on the board Anderson is able to answer more clearly which will help the detective to have a better understanding of his movements that's my question like where are you standing are you still on the road are you by the gate are you in the parking lot where you at I was like I was like I'm like I'm like like once you come out the house walk walk down the road uh and I guess just already coming up Road already coming up the road then it was something like I guess I guess I guess sh I guess it okay when you say he was coming up the road which area was he in coming up the road coming up this you said this the road right this no you said this the road yep but it's like it's like like this the road you got like little it's like some little some little real [ __ ] to keep the cars from like like you either you you go this way you can go this way then then this going to be like through the church do all that okay so are they in the parking lot are they in that little path right just just okay and is that where you are is that where they are D no like I'm like I'm like this this my road mm cuz like you got you got a gray house and you got to like pink house then there's I think one more house after that right yeah okay so like I'm I'm down there like about a crib I'm about a crib real no see going live you ready put a shoot okay and when you say when you see them I mean like in person you know what I'm talking about okay all right so you see them do you see one two or three of them like okay you know what I'm saying so so is he in the front or in the back front front Okay and then the other two were behind him the main one so so if if he was in front and he in the back me he had have weapons a't they going to be in the back if they got weapons okay so he's in the front he's the one leading the charge how how much further back are they from him we talking like 10 ft 20t 50t Ain going lie that was far but not that far okay but there was Far okay so how how far is far to you like do you do you know feet or meters or car lengths or part like 10 15 10 15 10 15 ft feet okay all right so they're behind him and what can you tell he's doing what can you see him doing who okay so I know you've got one hand up like the phone right what was his other hand doing I don't know you don't know you could see could have been anything okay on lie he was saying hit me this give me that I know okay and were you able to watch the live all the way up until you saw them no ma okay when did you stop watching the live I mean I'm guessing it's when you walked out the house but do you remember the last thing that you saw before you walked out I like a whole bunch of stuff I like oh hit me that gun that's when it start getting serious people talking hit me this gun hit me that we going to go to go they was coming to kill the whole house oh I I've seen the video I'm not asking you to remember the exact words that they were saying I'm just trying to see if you remember what was happening when you walked out the house okay so you come up be behind him what are they doing just just looking like they got some just in a back in the back okay do you mean like behind them or what I like they was behind a 10 feet 15 ft behind Okay tripping cuz I know they that ain't too far okay 25 too far no I agree so you're saying other hand the two of them in the back can you tell if they have any guns or anything like do you see them with a gun I mean I mean if you if you like if you outside walk you not like you're not going to just be like this you going to do that you might well just be like so was one of them or both of them doing doing that that's what I'm asking you to explain to me you one of them you both of them they kind of far away they kind of far away okay so how many feet do you think you were before I saw him yeah listen you you ask me how far I was from him when I seen him M first time you saw him in person not online light okay from you to me okay so that's maybe about 10 to 15 ft too that's like that's like that's like I'm standing right here mm like look say say if you standing right here and you me and then then then I'm trying I'm trying to you you know what I'm saying okay what you going to do so what did he start doing tell me like tell turn like like like like to up up like try to I guess he was trying he was trying to do what he he was trying to own to what he was saying okay so you're saying trying to up it tell me what you mean by that cuz I think I know what you mean take a kill okay that that mean did you think he was trying to fight you phys physically did you think he was trying to do something else okay tell me tell me what you thought and why you thought that this is the important part okay anyway I just thought they going just come kill they going to come kill us bro okay I know you talked about them having guns saying they're going to kill you when you see him physically what is he doing I just told you he know okay so then what you did with him fiddling around by his pants pocket angle want to say I see what you doing okay so s sit down sit down all right cuz I'm trying to help you express what you're trying to say okay Anderson is trying to say that purcel reaching into his pocket made him nervous that part of his story is reasonable considering the verified threats and the stated intention of Purcell's group to come to Anderson's home all right so one of his hands you're saying is down here right okay what were you concerned about being right there a gun okay um what did you think he was doing when he put one of his hands down there get a gun put it out the suit okay and what made you think that what happened before this that made you think that could happen what happened before that was the live video when he was saying oh once I once I once I once I come I'mma do this I'm do this and I'm going do that okay that's what have feeling like that I have feeling like you got to put like selfdefense bro okay so him before saying we've got guns we're going to come to your house we're going to shoot it up and all that and then when you see him 10 to 15t away you see his hand down by his side and you're scared that he's going to get a gun is what I'm hearing you saying okay so then what did you do it was like I think they had I think they had a book bag I think they had a book bag with guns in it okay what makes you think that but think they probably took it off him it was a book that I don't who had the book bag he was like he was like if he said let me see my out the book bag or let me see put them two right there you got you got to know for real know he talking about got know for real know talking about me this me that like that's like man you going to do something me that put that back then hit me that okay so you saw that part where he's saying those things okay and do you remember which one of the guys had the book bag no man it was it was him all right so you don't know who has the bag but you know that the bags may be going in and out or I'm sorry the guns may be going in and out of the bag right okay all right so then you think that he's about to pull out a gun what did you do and why protecting myself cuz I fear for my life okay how did you protect yourself and why did you feel like that was necessary for what he was doing you see what I'm saying yes ma'am it was like it was that happened because that could have happened to me that could have been me dead mhm okay so what did you do cuz I can't put that in your mouth did you fist fite him no man I a fist fite okay so tell me what happened and tell me why you believe that that was necessary so that you would not end up dead you see what I'm saying M okay go through that he was already talking about he was already talking about he was already on the live talk about this and that me going to do this and do that okay he's saying he's going to come to your house he's saying he's going to shoot it up that um and then you go outside of your house and he is there and you see him reach like he may be going for a gun okay this is the hard part I know this is the hard part okay and I'm trying to be helpful okay but this is part of where I can't put these words into your mouth okay so you know that he may have a gun and that he has already declared I'm coming to kill you guys good okay I understand that part of it okay we do have to talk about your part of it to get past this okay all right you ready yes ma' okay go ahead what did you do protecting myself okay I know you protected yourself how did you protect yourself how I protected myself all right I know this is hard this is what I'll walk you through okay did you get a gun before you left the house me mhm I know this is the hard part you're not telling me anything I don't know though okay you get that right M okay all right did you get a gun before you left the house no man okay when did you get the gun it was somewhere it was some it was was like off I got it like when I heard all this and all these threats when they going to do this that my family so I had stand up and protect but you got a gun before you went down there right okay Anderson went to the parking lot armed he knew perel's group had at least one weapon and he wasn't going to put himself at a disadvantage all right where did you have your gun I go was in a bag okay it was in a bag that you were carrying not not on a trash bag but like like a satchel like bag okay all right so was it in the bag after your gun cuz you're going to protect yourself and your family Yes Man M already didn't seen alive so I'm already I'm already I'm already knowing what he was saying what he what he trying to come do I know okay I'm not trying to trick you okay but this is the part where you know I need you to say these things I can't say them for you I can repeat them and summarize them but I can't make your story for you okay okay um so then you see that he's on the live he starts fiddling around by the waist you think that he may be pulling a gun on you so what did you do with you door gun I used it okay did you shoot at him no man it was just War shots warning shots it went like it went like it went like walk like like I'm just like oh talk [ __ ] I'm going to go kill his ass nothing like that bro I'm all this you already say you got a gun get hand you your gun out the bag but you got a gun for what you like like what you comeing to my house to kill my people for could just fed out you could told me like get the one bro but you going to do all this on live to like where your gun at you going to do this going to do that you to do all that because you got a bab bro and we we already talked about this you're not taking it like he's joking okay Anderson took the threat seriously but the shots he fired Were Meant to strike percel which is why he approached from behind I don't think he was joking either okay I don't know why he would bring guns okay um I think that that is a reasonable in credible threat okay if somebody is saying that they're going to come to your house that they're going to shoot you and they're talking about passing around Guns On video okay please understand none of us doubt that okay um but this is the part that we're getting to where we need you to explain what you're thinking and what you're scared of and why you're doing what you're doing I was I was I was scared from my life I was like I went trying to who want to die hopefully nobody okay all right what did you you probably probably would have been dead I would even been right now okay so what I'm hearing is you went out there to make sure that he didn't get to your house to hurt you or your people right does matter right all right so okay walk me through how many times you shot and where you were shooting time I shot shot that a few times okay you shot like three times okay I don't know I I know don't know I don't know how I don't know how I end up being that I don't know how I end up being that what do you mean I don't know how I end up being um my dad end like somebody being dead when I I trying to aim kill nobody have you ever shot a gun before that no okay what kind of gun was it was it semi-auto or revolver or what I don't remember okay do does it look like mine I know what that is that's a glove okay but does it have like the big Western Barrel or is it slim like this where it's got a slide you can rack slide you can rack okay do you know what caliber it was I don't remember n okay all right so you think you shot maybe three times and I don't even remember how many casings there were okay um when did he fall I don't know I ran I I I ran I ran so when you started shooting all right so where you at when you start shooting I'm like this the r mm this like this like this like this like for the car is not coming I'm like right here okay so just past those little rails up it is important to determine the positions of Anderson and Purcell to make the decision on whether or not he had reason to fear that his life was in immediate danger no I not even that even I'm he was right there show me where it was these I'm right right right coming right there okay so is he still on the parking lot or is he on the cut or what no he went on the parking lot at at that point he P the parking lot okay he was on the way he was on the way going through the on the way he was on the way passing the um the L for the cars you can open and close that okay so he's over there you start shooting which direction does he go when you start shooting does he chase after you does he go away from you what happened I'm trying toble IAS R like know he proba he probably did Chase I don't know okay where did you run to I ran you say I went after that mhm I went to my homeboy okay which one of your home boys did you go to tree okay and that's over on South Adams right okay which way did you take to get there did you cut through the church or did you go some other way I R through the whole church mhm yeah I went through like church up then hit that road hit that road PE okay so how about this like this is Orange Avenue up here and this is wanish did you run over to wanish or did you run up to Orange and then go over if this if if this like what what for C and like you keep going straight you going to be about if you keep going straight you going to be by you going to be like racked up like right on one on one this the whole one coming out the church like go go be if he all this you ain't got to worry about ra where but I know like when I was running I was I was getting chased you getting chased I was getting chased like when I was running okay how could you tell you were being chased tell me what you could here see or feel or whatever I felt somebody tasting me they was tasting me cuz I I got turn around and see somebody chasing okay but it was like I can't remember I was down top I was so tired bro I I can't remember this [ __ ] but yeah after that I ran d i i they try to take me but after I got through the gate after I got through the gate I was I was I was already gone it like it went up and didn't do I I left them like I left them okay so they never got close to you okay but a going to say they got close they didn't catch up to you okay all right and then I know that we've only got one type of showcasing that they're all from the same gun so I know they didn't shoot at you either so did they just stop stop chasing you or did they go back they probably did once I I turn around once I chch it was somebody Chas I ke running then I turn around again nobody else so probably did cuz if you if you on this road if you on this road it's like this road and this road if you going to go down this way I'm going see I'm still see you and if you going to go to the opposite way I'm still going to see you the only way ain't going to see you figure which roads you're talking about okay all right so this is your road and then this is the cut so like this is where the gates are mhm then this is the parking lot so up here is Orange Avenue it it it would even that way it this way okay so you went over to wanish like it's like but that happen Bo I went this way it was Chas over here and do take over to Adams right you said now you said that they chase you over to wanish and you came down right then once I got on once I got on that once I got on through point then this takes you through over here there's a cut there too right Anderson is detailed about his route but he isn't being entirely honest he shot perel before the others had a chance to spot him and he was never pursued all right but they stopped chasing you before you got on Dupont okay kind of like kind of they stop but I don't know cuz I was running so I don't know I don't know I don't know I know when they sto okay that's fair what did you do with the gun afterward I don't know I don't know I don't know did you get rid of it did you give it to somebody what did you do with it it was like it was like it was like it was like I was in the house and I was drinking I was drinking I was just drinking my water took trying to get back right like trying to get my breath back I don't know what happened to the G it like I I set it right there I once I hadn't did what I was doing that gone okay so that's once you already at Adam's Place all right you said that you were drinking water trying to get right like get your head straight or were you drunk or were you high I was I was tired okay tired from running I soon and I I know that was probably a pretty traumatic experience too okay um and that was at Trey's house right is it for Trey or Trey for I matter well I just don't know what to call him when I talk about him all right but did you stay over there that night okay and then at what point did you come back um to your place and see your brothers D morning okay and they were all okay right thank God yeah um I know that Danny was there when you guys saw the live um obviously he he knew what was going on when he left the house um did he tell you how that made him feel he's like he probably he probably I know I know I know how he probably feel he probably tell me I know he was like I know he was terrified any anything could have my nephews could have been there anything my grandma could have been there anybody I know I hear you how they react when you told them what happened like what you mean I I know they had your back but were they were they like thankful that you did that were they scared for you how did they react like Protec us do feel me like oh yeah I just did this bro like I H from the police I need to do this I do that who just who do that think they just come do that you remember when and how you found out that he had died was it after that yeah was it on news or social media somebody tell you social media okay do you remember who was saying it a whole bunch of people okay how'd that make you feel when you found out that he had died me have to be that could have his fault I you have a not I you have not ready be dead CU to be dead yeah so I know that we talked a little bit about the casings have you ever heard anything about how we can look at casings and figure out which guns they come from and stuff like that and like from the top yeah it's from the top so like the firing pin hits the cartridge casing and that tells us you know which gun it came from because there's like teeny tiny millimeters and each one is different so it's kind of like a fingerprint um so obviously in this one we see that the uh all the cartridge casings were fired from the same gun so we can tell that I don't remember how many there were but um when I was out there there were cartridge casings how many I don't remember how many there were I remember there were a couple along here there are several right there the detective brings up the casings which are likely going to tell a different story than Anderson so tell one or three shots it was more than three shots but here's the thing like I can ask an officer who's been involved in a shooting how many times did you shoot and they say uh two or three and then may have shot six or seven that's totally normal okay you're not going to remember how many you shot okay I'm not trying to call you a liar about that or anything okay so what I'm having a problem with is that in the live video you can I can't see his hand okay but I I believe you what you're saying okay um the video faces forward and the only part that you can't really see and I'll use yours okay if this is the cut leading up to it is like where the trees are okay he starts getting shot at way over here and that's maybe 45 60 ft away from where the cut is all right in the right and the casings you've seen them come out of the gun before right they come out the right side these casings are okay he down I I was down AP when a bullet goes through something it goes in a general direction you know what I'm saying and what our a lot of people call him a corner but here it's a medical examiner isn't it same thing and we know that these shell casings are the same as these shell casings which tells me that these that you fired at him while he's running away are the same here and we hear those shots on the live after he's already down so I know that at that point you're not up on our ja that's seven size though I don't know how many it was okay I just know there's several I think it was three standing over him okay help me understand that you stand over him mhm it was it was like com from com from he com where coming from song I off side boom I guess I miss I I I I don't even shooting to kill nobody bro I'm just like like like like don't come up don't come up here cuz you you trying to come up here the point and I'm not saying that's not what you're doing okay cuz I understand these okay and he got hit over here that's when he fell down okay that's why he was still running he got hit he falls down all right what I don't understand is why you're over him shooting them while he's down help me understand that this one two three three shots want you let you fall he said I was not he say I I saw him again and he was on the ground yeah because you can hear the shots while he's already down and we see the casings right there by him so here I can see what's happening is that he's running you're chasing okay and he falls no once he facing he's facing once I see him he can see me he's facing this way and you're right here you fire the first shot he bolts that way you're chasing him and shooting while he's running and with one of those shots he falls down to the ground while he's down to the ground I can say forensically okay because the doctor can tell me where that bullet went in and what direction it went and I've got those shell casings there on scene right next to them remember it comes out the gun okay it's going to be in the general area where it's shot from so that's how I can say you shot and chased is because those casings are running too you see what I'm saying and all these up here by him and with him being shot on the ground I know that he was shot while he was down why this is where Anderson loses his case for self-defense not only did he Ambush purcel but he shot him while purcel was down and not an immediate threat I thought he had a gun I thought he was trying to kill me I thought he was going to kill okay I thought he was going to kill us but if he goes down why not run this way why keep going you see what I'm saying look he he was he was with people and they and they they he talking about H them this them that so so right now I got I got I got to watch I got to deal with I got I got to deal with d y'all yeah you actually ran in the direction that they were already standing and I know that he didn't have a gun reaching saying he saying he going do this do that he me that gun me this gun was to thing I understand that part that's what I'm saying I understand that part okay um if somebody's sitting there saying I'm going to kill you I've got a gun and I'm going to kill you and they reach into their pocket like they're getting a gun what do you think I'm going to do as an officer okay I understand that part okay um what I'm telling you is he's definitely not got a gun waving it out at you up here he's down he got hit he ain't moving and I know that cuz we got the video so help me understand why why stand over and shoot that's what I've got heartache about I don't get that part when I did that the gun jammed it was jam it was it was jamm these are spent cartridge casings okay meaning that the gun successfully fired a bullet the projectile out of it and those struck him so the gun wasn't jammed at that point now could it have jammed after that yeah because I hear that click the click that you're talking about I remember hearing that and that was after three shots standing over him so what you're saying is I I I I stood up here and shot him three times only shot three times no it's okay that you don't remember how many times you shot okay because we have officers that don't remember how many times you shot no I'm telling you I know how many times I shot and I'm telling you there are more shell casings than that and all the shell casings came from the same gun so I know that you shot more than three times so you heard so what you telling me you heard more than you heard more than three shots on the live M that's W I know how many times I shot I ain't tripping you shot three times up here but you also shot down here while he's running so what you saying what you saying I want defending myself I don't I don't know what you're defending when you're up here this again okay he's saying that he's going to come here that he's going to kill you guys he is on his way and you see him fiddling around by his pants okay I get that but at the point that you shoot and he starts running and you start chasing I know you got these two pools to deal with okay I get that but at the point that he's down why shoot him more that's what I don't get and I know that that part doesn't have to do with these guys because you actually ran back the same way that they were I it was going to be hard to hear but they were actually the ones that have the guns you have any explanation that you can give me for that part while I stood over him I thought I was to die night bro I was think about my life if you saying you going to come do this and that saying you going to come kill us what else for me what else for me to do I hear you but think about your expectations for law enforcement okay so I'm out with somebody they say that they're going to shoot me that they're going to kill me okay and they reach into their pocket all right and they start to pull something out I can explain maybe a shot or two until I understand what it is right because I have almost shot somebody over his cell phone okay all right so I understand this position that you're in because I almost had to do that okay and I remember how terrifying that was okay the detective shows some empathy when Anderson begins to panic because he realizes that he is going to have trouble getting anyone to believe his self-defense plea thank God I didn't have to shoot anybody I was never in that same position that you're in okay but as a law enforcement officer what's your expectation okay once I realize that it's not a cell phone that there's no longer a threat there I stopped shooting right okay otherwise what is it that's bad okay that's not an officer you know enforcing law or anything like that no I would have to have an explanation for why for him he's running away and he's down and I know he ain't got a gun you have any explanation for why you stood over him and shot him like that three shots what you saying it was seven I know that up here there was three okay this was just to give you a path of what I'm talking about okay I don't remember exactly how many are down here all right but I know that up here it was three and then you hear that empty click of you pulling the trigger all right but no round being fired you know what I'm talking about does matter it been people had to got people that that been people that didn't that didn't that somebody come to kill them they run and they still they still got a chance to turn around and shoot you they still got a chance to do what they want to do at the end of the day but the difference here is that you weren't standing your ground and defending your ground okay in this he ran away and you chased him you see the difference is that all right so like I'm standing on my property I have every right to be there and somebody comes and they're trying to hurt me I can defend myself okay but I can't chase him all the way down orang Avenue shooting at him you know and I'm not saying that that's how far he went okay obviously it's not but I don't understand you know I can understand a few shots while he's running away but at the point that he's down and he hasn't pulled pulled a gun on you he hasn't shot at you I don't understand why you still think there's a threat there and if you put that into officer terms right our expectations for our Law Enforcement Officers we wouldn't be okay with our cops doing that standing over somebody shooting them like that I just there's no explanation for that part these shots up here I totally get this here I don't but it's like it's like when was off I don't think nobody was hit nobody don't think nobody was hit what do you mean sh to that shot wasn't nobody H okay but when it fell it was obviously got hit oh I don't know maybe could trip maybe he could have got hit no okay but he's already run away from you he's not coming to your house at that point right he's running away from you and he's down and I know that he didn't pull a gun on you I know he didn't point a gun at you I know he didn't shoot at you cuz we only have your casings there so that's what I don't get that's the only thing that I have heartache over I get the rest of it I get him being on live saying he's going to come there they're talking about about the guns that he's going to shoot you up that he's going to try and get Daniel he could hurt anybody in the house I get that okay I don't get why you're chasing him and why you're shooting when he's already down that's the part I don't understand I don't know I I I just thought he still had a the ability to kill it doesn't matter whether or not purcel could have eventually retaliated all a jury will care about is that he never fired a weapon and was incapacitated at the time Anderson shot him had ability to kill me or for him to go to his house or for his friends to go to my house with guns it was two of them with guns on way to somebody house yeah did they say anything when you ran past them I don't want to I don't know if I did but I was running I believe were they still here in the middle or were they over by the Woodmore I I I just know I was looking straight trying to get to my destination okay all right so you ran this way go down wanish to P over to Adams but you remember hearing them coming after you you turn around you can see them at some point okay um did they ever shoot at you they they could have I agree I agree they had guns they could have okay um but I didn't find any casings cuz we been all all the way down W too um as far as the gun goes I know you said that what you it got dropped off what do you mean that how did you get the gun once I got in the house I was even wor about I wor I was about my my people straight I'm sorry before the shooting happened before the sh happened I got a gun from mm oh I don't even need a name I just want to know the circumstances it was like it was like it was you ask me where I got the gun from mhm I like it was it was like by a tree okay so how do you know it was there I knew was okay is the tree just in the neighborhood in your yard where was the tree at she like she like she like down the road okay so you're watching live you realize they're coming there to shoot the place up you walk outside you go to the tree you get the gun is it loaded or did you load it I loaded it okay where did you get the bullets from had a boots in my pocket did you have the magazine in your pocket or was a magazine in the gun or something else magazine was already already in a clue you talking you talking about the magazine or the clip same thing kind of so this this is a magazine okay so were the bullets already in it no I told that I loaded okay were there any bullets already in it okay so you loaded it with bullets that you had in your pocket okay you said you think it was nine okay all right so you said that there was a bag that you had it in like a satchel was that gun in that bag by the tree or was that a bag that you brought with you it was the bag okay so it was in the bag by the tree okay so you go and you get the bag you get the gun you put the bullets into the magazine do you know the steps you have to go through to load it so you put the magazine in what do you have to do next I I lo then put the magazine in mm [ __ ] it okay you're talking about the slide okay I said a yeah okay so you go by the cut you guys see each other he starts going around his waist you think he might be going for a gun you take your gun out you shoot toward him I know that you end up kind of chasing him through the parking lot he goes down you end up standing over him shooting him and that was three times your gun jams when your gun jams you end up running back to wanish down to DuPont over to Adams is that right okay is any part of that wrong did I get it wrong no man I just don't I I just don't get what I don't get what you stand by like stand over cuz like my stand over is like like actually like standing over somebody not like not faring you no you were definitely close anything else you think I should know about what happened before I go talk to Miss Sherry I just KN that it was coming I got all that on video all right I'm going to go talk to her do you need a bathroom break or anything not okay I got to find a male officer for you since I can't go in there with you okay I get somebody in here in just a minute he still on the phone with him I don't know I'm going to check I told them that you were finally coming off of it and they said oh good call me back okay so she just came and told me and filled me in on everything do you feel better now that you finally got it off your chest didn't know okay so I just need to call them back real quick I'm waiting actually did call them back and I had to leave a voicemail so I'm waiting for her to call me right back so I can tell her this final last bit and then I'll have an answer for you the interrogation is over and Anderson has to wait and see how the state prosecutor decides to proceed given the recent details it doesn't look promising okay so so so I might be going to tonight you might be going tonight um you might not be um I said we bring them all the evidence and testimony and stuff like that so after they hear this last bit then it's going to be up to them but understand if you do go to County tonight there's a chance you would have a bond and things like that and be able to get out and deal with it in court later if you needed to or if your attorneys do it I won't know until she calls me back because she was initially going to make a decision based on what we had before you decide to give everything so now I have to go and tell her that and make that argument to her okay and I know you told investigator Bailey a lot of it you told her everything I caught the end it cuz I was on the phone that whole time I was on the phone because you know there's a whole eight Monon investigation that's gone on so I had to tell her eight months worth of stuff before we get to this part so now I just got to add this part so as soon as she calls back I will fill her in that you that you did you know explain it and explain your fear and all that kind of stuff and and everything the reason why you did what you did okay um and I'm gonna send that I'm going to tell her that and send her the video so she can see the video so she can see what we saw okay and then I'll have an answer do you want me to call your mom and tell her anything do you want to call your mom yeah okay mom got my phone uh I got your phone that's a new phone isn't it then you just get it like what January or something okay I have it right now cuz you're still here um but I'll we can get we can get one of our phones in here let you give your mom a call while we're waiting on the state attorney to call back but I was going to call her after I heard from the state attorney so I can give her all the information and everything um but if you want to call her before that you can just usually they call back they want call back yeah they usually call back pretty quick so I just left another voicemail after she came out and told me what everything that you said I they might it might not um but like what did how many times did I tell you here only you can tell your side of the story only you can put that defense up okay think about how bad it looks knowing what we know about how the bullets went in and everything like that if you didn't talk about being scared you see what I'm saying that's why I was in here trying to push you so hard to talk about it because I know what it looks like and I know what that video showed okay all right do you want see she got got you some water and some chips do you want anything else and I said I'm just waiting for her to call back she usually calls back pretty quickly so she's going to call back on my desk phone and I'll give it over to her and I'm going to email her the video so she can actually watch the video and see what you saw while you were going and the reason why you were going out there and I'm pretty sure she's aware but I'm going I've already told her about what happened with your mom the month before about them already coming to your house putting a gun in your mom's head things like that wa what she say about that well they they just listen they don't give feedback on that they just listen to the whole thing because what did I tell you when said here I'm going to present everything we don't just present a little piece we just tell them every this is everything we got what do you think and they make that decision okay so let me let me go see if she's called back do you have anything else that you want to clarify with me I think based on what she told me you kind of told her everything and BAS B on the evidence that I have on scene and what I see you drew on the board that's all pretty accurate to what I have okay okay we'll keep checking up on you all right you think she going let me go on I I can't answer that I can tell you that either way whether you go to County I or go home you know you got a good case yeah I know that but I'm I'm I'm saying I know that whether I go count or not yeah either way you got a good case so we'll we'll see what she says okay you said either way I got a what you got a good case about take you home Dad huh you're about to go home is that bad is that what you were expecting tonight I thought I was go to the county you're going home what did I tell you are you something what's going on yep I'm about to tell you so State Attorney can see the self-defense ankle the only thing that they have a little hiccup on is the last three shots that investig told you that you remember when you had the jam yes okay so what they're going to do is they're going to present it to the Grand Jury yes and let the grand jury make the decision they're going to present the law for self-defense and stand your ground and show them the video and if you want to testify you can come testify that's your choice to explain kind of what you did with us about why you felt you had to defend yourself okay and those and then the Grandeur will decide whether or not to indict you so you're going home I'm going to explain it to your mama so she knows go to school tomorrow just keep doing good you know and just doing whatever and then I'll let you know when the grand jury is going to go so so so so it ain't going to be nothing about no about no years H I said I said so it ain't going to be done by no years yeah you don't know any of that unless the grand jury decides to indict you if they decide that you did not act in self once they're presented the law what the law says in the video in your statements if they decide that then they'll indict and then you'll talk with that with your attorney with them if the grand jury sees says he acted in self-defense he was defending himself you know they'll know everything that happened the month before and things like that they if they see that and they said he acted in self-defense we're not going to indict him then it's all over with and done and you'll never have to hear about this again so it's the grand jury making that decision so you're going home you take me out of here yep I'm about to take you out there and take you home I haven't even called your mom yet I just got a phone with them I had to wait for them to call back call the main State Attorney and then call me back you just tell them when we get there yeah I'll tell when we get there so we can go and get you out of here you bathroom again before we get on the road the interrogation is over and Anderson has to wait and see how the state prosecutor decides to proceed give the recent details it doesn't look promising Anderson should enjoy his time at home because he is going to have a limited amount of freedom to spend with his family before his trial Donis Anderson agreed to a plea deal and was charged with second deegree murder he was sentenced to 15 years in prison followed by 10 years of probation that'll do it for today if you like this video and want to support the channel there's a patreon link in the description below where you can do just that thank you for watching stay safe