you now your mom would want you to tell us what happen so that we can help that lady why did you hurt her I was being obligated what did you do to hurt her stay with me okay toilet is that okay do you need fire rescue are you [Music] what 28west 49 Street 103 Main 93 Spanish his legs roll I don't know we should ask if he needs fire just cover our bases huh there's no one in the car right Carl we check in here there's a coworker isn't there huh oh he stayed thr your gun real quick 42 we're going to need FD out here we our uh driver is kind of in and out of it shaking a little bit [Music] you any water huh the waters are all Frozen he's getting this what the have that oh you understand fine Y what happened to you man tell [Applause] me I don't know why they called you guys we told them we're not in your jurisdiction I I maybe they're slammed because of this other thing they have a trauma on the other side supposedly he's our suspect Who lit his chick on fire and maybe hit her with a hammer or something and now he's playing H and he falls back and wiggles but yet he didn't smack his head on the curb cuz he's clearly probably faking it so I'm not trying to waste your guys time I also just need to confirm cuz he does have burns up his legs or his hair is all blown out that there isn't something legitimate happening I don't believe it but unless you say there's something more legitimate and then even then we're going to have to just stand by because I have to figure out whether or not this dude's cominging in cuffs in your with you guys or somewh something to that effect it was supposed to be a simple delivery just another work day for jge dpri lzo and his cooworker David Gonzalez but what unfolded in the boar ratone home of 75-year-old Evelyn Smith Udell on that fateful August morning of 2019 was anything but routine a a young delivery man turned an ordinary workday into a scene of unimaginable violence after the installation of a new washing machine that she had purchased from Best Buy while David was outside Jorge attacked Evelyn striking her with a rubber mallet and end ding her with a chemical solvent before setting her on fire he then fled the scene but was apprehended shortly thereafter but the question was why did he do it we'll first hear David's account of the [Music] events all right thank you um obviously David like I said um when we do these things you know things that you understand what I'm saying yeah things that you don't think might be important and you and I know listen when you go through a traumatic situation and you saw what you saw today your mind is going 1,000 miles an hour but for you you might not understand I need exact details like when I say was it open was it closed was it a little bit I need those kind of exact details so I appreciate your cooperation and I appreciate you dealing with us okay so I just want to go back and go through it a little bit more I'm not going to go all the way back to this morning and stuff like that but just about when you got to the house okay and just need you to you know kind of focus a little bit okay so can you raise your right hand for me again everything you're going to tell me be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth so help you guys okay so like I had said um I know you had called 911 from your phone 911 what's location of your emergency this is which one speak English very well how I here please don't that what's the problem I need I need somebody I need the police what happened I don't know are you hurt no somebody h somebody what what I need to know what's wrong I don't know I was the lady in the Flor okay so did something happen to you because you're crying I don't understand yeah you see somebody in the floor start laughing or something like that sir that's not what I'm saying okay let me get a translator on the line I have H on the way in the line and I listened to that call so I just want you to kind of go back through and and you kind of remembered a little bit more you know when I was just talking to where do you want him to start I want you to start go from the time that you arrive there at the house walking into a room and discovering a lifeless body is a moment few people can truly imagine for David that moment came without warning what does it do to a person to see something so horrific how does the mind process such a shock and how do you even begin to react in this video we analyze the psychological toll of such a discovery the instinctive reactions and the immediate aftermath and if you yeah yeah and if you want to speak in Spanish to her if that's better for you do that so you don't have to go back and forth to English and Spanish whatever you want to do okay I'm try to in English whichever you want to do okay the first thing me to knock on the door and then myself okay so explain to me today you get to the house when you pull up mhm where do you park we saw the driveway yeah the same right where my car was okay you park right there and who is with you uh my partner who is that uh George George okay no the last name you don't say no no don't know the last name no because so his Partners in Cuba and George is just short time believe how long have you done uh have you worked with George how many around five times five five days okay the resident's name do you know her name okay you know the last name no last name is in the Manifest just Evelyn though yeah okay and then I as her show me where the machine go and then she said you have to take the door off okay so let me ask so you're at the front door or the gont at the front door is when you get there is the garage door opened or closed it was closed closed okay so you meet her at the door and she lets you in the house yes and shows you where it's going to go oh D she said the easy way to go the machine for the garage I continue on I I give instruction for my P like he do take the old machine so then after you speak with her yes you get him out of the truck no no he go he wasn't the in the back of his truck okay he was in the back of always when you call the dry have three prom or four prom M he take the the pl out he say what what C on three four whatever so when I I give you the instruction threee I continue working in the area so you continue working he's working in the truck and you're prepping the he's prepping the three prong full on the machine getting it ready to bring in the house yes and you're in the house working yes okay so what happens next you take the old stuff out yeah take the the old um remove for the for the the the matching in I said George George um we honey help for take machine we use on some kind special harness take it out I take it all hallway first when I told the lady you have to clean the area it's okay no problem she start cleaning everything i h a little bit I asked for her for the to because I got one on the floor the floor okay wipe it up everything everything give you some time when I I go back again do the installation how you say that the vent the dve vent do ventilation mhm um do everything and then George help me to put it back the dryer the dryly go go by again she don't finish yet for the cleaning for cleaning and then when you finish I say okay let's go with the washing machine put the Wasing machine I said George you know what put it right there don't get closer because the pl come it got e asset to LIF them the only thing I need help for the for the door for the door for theal who everything back okay he say uh go ahead finish outside because uh I don't fin the paperwork but in the meantime the the time they I had see the phone call they Dro three times or day yeah you showed me that was 9:00 you showed me three Miss calls and then when I go the lady told me explain what happened with the first stop everything they I heard the the the so when you go out you go out the garage door yeah because this is the area we were go okay and is the do you close the door inside the garage no no no no no not the garage door but the one going to because we working in the area Okay so that's open it was open okay and then what do you do I was I was on the in the truck talking with the phone mhm and then when I was I heard the the first year the third year okay so the first scream was like very light as if like you see a cockroach and you got scared that was the first one so he's in the truck and he sees the garage door closed and he thought he was done already uh George was done already and then he that's when he heard her scream again and it was so I just wanted to go back so when you got your phone calls like you told me yes you go out the garage door where you're working the truck so you're in the truck yes and when you're in the truck you see the overhead garage door Clos yes was on the phone he saw the garage door closing okay go ahead what happens so then you're in the truck you he thought it was weird that he heard her scream again and it was louder and then it's Tak a time because of sign paperwork something what happened when I went to the door tried to open the door hey what happened the door was locked the main door they say let's go let's go who says that George okay let go so you try to open the door it was closed okay and does someone come to the door George opened the door when when I tried to open the door first nobody okay do you knock yeah I call my partner do you call him on the phone no no no the door you just yell yeah what happened and then he open the door let's go let's go he was nervous saying let's go let's go go because was explaining to the cops that sometimes there's clients that will like throw water in your face so that's what he was thinking yeah some argument second AR nervous but he didn't think anything of it when he um when George went outside uh he says no no no I want to go inside and look and George did not let him go and while David's actions seem heroic calling 911 after finding the victim's body detectives must avoid assuming his innocence without thoroughly vetting his account this is part of confirmatory bias avoidance a detectives effort to prevent forming premature conclusions based on initial evidence or assumptions in high- press investigations it's common for investigators to gravitate toward conclusions that align with their initial Impressions so he goes in and he sees the bathroom door is closed and blood on the floor does he notice anything else uhel some keys on the floor whose Keys No they wer his he got more nervous before calling 9 so instead of calling 911 he got nervous he called his before he calls his boss does he open the bathroom door he didn't go into the bathroom for anything okay so he sees the blood on the floor this is the main door when you open the door and the left side you got the door right there he says he didn't have to go in there for anything because he was already done he just looked and saw the door closed okay he say I know how this happens I don't want to compromise myself with uh fingerprints right if David struggles with inconsistencies in his recall of the events it might not necessarily be a sign of deception but rather a result of the emotional shock and Trauma associated with discovering the crime scene the concept of stress response and memory encoding explains that high stress situations like encountering a violent or disturbing scene can have a significant impact on how memories are formed and later recalled in stressful environments the body's natural fight or flight response activates which can focus attention on immediate threats sometimes impairing the brain's ability to store and retrieve information accurately this may cause gaps or distortions in David's memory is there he mentioned that sometimes they have issues with customers like you say they get mad they throw things on you argue that happen all the time we have a driver you can ask everybody you stop the police you have argument with sure sure any any issues today with Evelyn no she was very kind okay do do George have any issues with Evelyn I don't know but what I can tell you is that he looked a little messed up today what does he mean by that he looked like he was partying so he looked hung over he says that he must have party the night before because he came over today looking hung over so he showed up at work today hung over yeah okay did you smell anything on him no he got a he got a electronic pipe like a VAP pen he had it all day and he using it today detectives might explore if David failed to report earlier warning signs about George's Behavior this is part of the concept of thirdparty culpability which involves examining whether a witness though not the primary perpetrator might have contributed to or covered up the crime in this case while David may not have directly committed the crime detectives need to assess whether he might have played a role in enabling it to occur or in concealing important details for example detectives would examine whether David was aware of any concerning behavior before the incident and whether he had an opportunity to intervene or alert authorities um just one last question the stuff when you you used a towel on the floor cuz the water was there yes uh everything was clean what is does she using anything to clean with okay he described the towel that she gave him it was blue and different colors and she was using a different rag ask if she was using any chemicals he just saw her with the rag and he was helping her clean up the water no chemicals that he saw okay all right um ask them just tell them we're kind of done for now um but is there I've asked a lot of questions is there anything that he wants to share that I haven't asked that he might think is good information for us oh to drug test him and then you're going to know to drug test George and then you're going to know oh got you okay what detectives might ask questions about details only the perpetrator would know such as what position was the victim's body in when you entered the room or did you notice anything about the blood pattern this is done as part of the guilty Knowledge Test a method used to determine if someone has specific knowledge about a crime they shouldn't have unless they were involved the test works by probing a suspect for information that is not publicly available or known to the general public if the individual reacts to questions about these details especially those that only the perpetrator would know it could indicate that they possess guilt knowledge suggesting their involvement in the crime while David is not a suspect in this case the cops have to cover all the bases let me just go back okay so you you had your Miss calls that you showed me on your phone you go outside you leave George in there with the clipboard he's supposed to show her how the dryer operates yeah everything expl everything okay he's supposed to explain it then he'll come outside MH okay so you're outside you say you hear a faint scream Fain and then you don't think but then it's like sometime the like that got Mouse inside when you see something you working in custom every day so the time you then the garage door goes down okay so how long after the garage door go down do you go few second so then you go to the so as soon as you saw the garage door closing you were going into he says he stayed worried worried because it's not normal second time you know only for one one thing for the paperwork because I take it take a 10 minutes for EAS that's what brought to his attention he said paperwork doesn't take that why is it taking so long okay see detectives are asking David to mentally recreate the scene and describe everything he remembers including sights sounds and emotions this is done as a part of the cognitive interview technique a structured approach used by investigators to enhance witness recall without leading George still inside yes okay and you wait outside talking to 911 exactly because I don't know what he doing inside you know I don't know when you talking with somebody I don't know what he doing imagine if I went inside and he would hit me too now one last question George does he have conversation with him about what happened I know he is assuming there was an argument in a fight but does he when he's in there and he says oh my God what happened what' you do anything like that I asked him what had he done his face wasn't him he's he was like possessed his eyes were really big didn't give me time to speak and I was afraid that he would do something detectives have to ensure that David's recall is not influenced by what he saw after calling 911 this is done to avoid memory contamination which occurs when a witness's memory is altered due to outside influences such as media coverage or conversations with others so he didn't say anything to him about what he did or and when we were in the truck he didn't show any signs that he had any issues we didn't have any issues that's before yeah okay does he know where his clipboard is now it's not in the bathroom it's going to be in the truck because George had it George had you have the paper where that money fits the order right right okay you know everything's there I got my my my tools in the truck everything okay we'll take care of that how much longer is this going to last couple of minutes but anything else that you that you can remember that is you know I'm going to give you I'm going to give you my card and my phone number so if you think of anything that comes back because what happens when we go in a traumatic situation some sometimes our mind shuts down a little bit and it doesn't allow us to think of everything so if you get home later and you think of something you want to tell me I'm going to give you my cell number and my desk number you're going to give me a call okay when someone Witnesses or experiences a traumatic event the intense emotions tied to that moment can overwhelm cognitive processes as a result certain details may be remembered with Clarity While others may become blurred or fragmented this can lead to inconsistencies in testimony that are not necessarily due to dishonesty but rather to the way the brain processes traumatic events under stress me have you ever been in trouble with the law before oh sorry um [Music] he had a confusion with a phone uh a while ago but all those charges were dropped he hired 18 under 18 they um took care of it he says that he they he was told that he doesn't really need to talk about it anymore but he's telling you about good no that's fine I'm just just kind of curious do you want me to get a Spanish rights I didn't realize I justl okay um I want to talk to you about what happened today and get your side of the story about what happened today but I have to read you your rights cuz you're here at the police department what's the tattoo how was that tattoo there IID oh [Music] a friend of his okay the speeds of his car what kind of car is it Mustang a long time ago5 this man had killed a woman who was known for her kindness and generosity she was a great Tipper and had a petite frame no larger than her 10-year-old grandson but Jorge beat her so brutally with a rubber mallet that she was unrecognizable when she was rushed to the hospital her clothes had melted into her skin her body so heavily wrapped in protective coverings that her son Haron Udell could only manage to kiss her ankle goodbye this was the extent of the horror inflicted on a kind and gentle woman was he working by himself today no David with David gonalez okay does he work with David all the time no how often okay so David's helper is in Cuba right now and because of that he picked up today's shift to to make more money okay so the last stop they made was the wash and dryer and dryer okay and he's the helper okay tell me what happens when you get to that house you get to the house he's the helper so he goes in the back of the truck the lift connect straps helps take Stu in let her let her Translate to okay he goes into the back of the truck he lifts he takes the lift up takes the washer and dryer out okay put it down put it down with the knife and takes the Cuffs the the boxes off connects all the cables and he helps him put the stuff inside and he gets out on the machines oh they take out the old machines back on the truck clean up all the stuff outside he goes inside if he can he'll take some pictures um to help uh David out and then they just go back in the truck turn on the AC and they leave okay today they did MH okay yes so let me go back um the house that he's at today does he remember the house he was at for the washer and dryer yes of course okay how many people home one person okay does he can he describe that person she was little with glasses and her hair was that long I didn't have a lot of contact with her but does he go in the house because otherwise how is he going to take the stuff inside and take the old stuff out so he helped move things they went they first went in through the main door and he saw that there were too many like sticks and he says that it would damage the machines so he closed he went does he who yes he goes in the main door I I looked and I and he was talking to the person okay he saw that through the garage it was easier to get in yeah and they took out all the old stuff they put the new stuff in and he started cleaning outside and he said the lady was nice yes she gave me water and he's there about 40 minutes no no no he says they take about 40 minutes doing the washer and dryer but he first said no how long does they think he was there today 10 minutes maybe or 15 I don't know that's in total at the house see I think so yes okay um where does he go yeah why to the truck okay then work e this P can't wa and they stay there I got I got in the truck and I left and what happened that's what we need you to tell us is look what do you mean for me to tell you I need to tell what happened at the house so George something happened at the house see and something happened that I don't think was meant to happen David called us okay see and you were at the house since like 3 a.m. he hasn't touched anything what did he use at 3 cocaine anything else and he smokes normal orge is Young about 21 years old at the time of his interrogation and reportedly has impaired cognitive function which the detectives attribute to his use of cocaine and marijuana long-term or heavy use of substances particularly stimulants Like Cocaine can impair cognitive functioning leading to poor decision- making memory issues and even hallucinations or delusions especially when intoxicated or in withdrawal these substances can also alter a person's emotional state making them more prone to impulsive actions and erratic Behavior George obviously you're here at the police department correct okay why you don't care why I want to know why did you ask the police yeah but nobody tells me anything okay understood okay and he's inside with her in laundry in the laundry yes okay what happens he said nothing happened you're scaring me what happened okay I don't mean to scare you but I think you know what happened so I don't know what happened otherwise I would tell you okay I need you to think hard about what Happ he wants to know what happened this lady is injured so sometimes when we do things we do things and we don't think straight but what you okay but what you can do I believe in God and I don't know what happened was he under the influence of drugs George you need to be honest tell me what happened if he speaks his mom's not going to be okay all right just tell me what you're thinking I need you to just tell me what happened [Music] there fore fore for [Music] Fore for foree fore [Music] speech foreign foreign speech speech spee he says he hasn't been able to sleep he can't do anything because the last two months this has been haunting him that people touched them he doesn't feel like a man and he says that he can't tell his mom because his mom's gonna hurt [Music] laundry and the laundry okaye foree foreign speech he says he can't tell me because they're going to get his Mom they're going to hurt his mom he can't tell you what happened he says that these men have him um threatened that he's forced to do things so I'm asking him did they make him go over there to hurt this yeah what did they force you to do today while it's clear Jorge is experiencing significant emotional distress there's also the possibility that some of his behavior is manipulative by claiming that he was forced by others he may be attempting to create doubt about his culpability framing himself as a victim of external forces rather than a perpetrator of a violent crime they force you to do something tell us what they forc you to do they for he said he Hur the lady but he won't won expand from there are you sorry that you heard the lady his heart hurts okay if your heart hurts then you'll tell me what you did to her we need to know what happened to that lady so we can help her we need to know exactly what happened to her so we can help her okay we need to know what you did to her if Jorge is genuinely struggling with his emotions it might be because of cognitive dissonance where his internal belief system clashes with the reality of his actions he may have convinced himself of a certain narrative or rationalization but now in the face of the interrogation he's confronting the horrifying truth of what he did the internal conflict could manifest in physical symptoms like crying or nausea crying could indicate an overwhelming emotional response possibly due to guilt stress or shock from the crime for someone who committed a violent act the reality of their actions can sometimes trigger an emotional breakdown especially if they hadn't fully processed the magnitude of the crime in some cases individuals may experience what's known as emotional numbing as a defensive mechanism which allows them to temporarily detached from the gravity of the situation the visible breakdown could be a delayed emotional reaction triggered when the reality of the crime hits him during questioning is it your [Music] hands something in her house I can tell you now your mom would want you to tell us what so that we can help that lady why did you hurt her I was being obligated what did you do to hurt her tell us are you a bad person person tell us what happened or hey your mom would want you to tell us what happened just take me out of here and kill me if he wants to believe in God and he wants his mom to forgive him he will tell us what happened starts today it starts today to get forgiveness from God and from your mom it starts right now by being honest forhead the only way you're forgiven in this is to be honest you have to be honest lying is just going to prolong it your heart when when you honest your heart will feel better and he's like at 21 I just threw my life away they have me like this I don't know what to do you hit her one time with what what did you hit with your fist [Music] kill me as the interrogation progresses and the detectives close in on the truth Jorge may be beginning to feel the weight of what he's done leading to an overwhelming physical reaction the fear of impending punishment coupled with the realization that his actions have irrevocably changed his life can trigger intense physical responses like sweating and shaking in this case Jorge may be experiencing anticipatory anxiety the physical response to the thought of facing the consequences of his actions this fear compounded by the stress of the interrogation forced his body to prepare for the emotional and psychological iCal Fallout do you hit her with a tool was it one of your pools no so it was one of her tools where did you put it so it was a a rubber Hammer rubber Hammer you hit her with quantos let's go back let's go back why why did you do that to her because he's being threatened with his mom I made the mistake of my life I'm not a man I'm nothing so what was was he trying to take something from the house an arrow all right when we ask these questions I know all of the answers okay I just need you to tell me phone what about it he says that you started recording him no I was just checking voicemail no I had I had three text messages I was just checking all right just if that person knows what you telling you they're going to kill him no I threw it out it was just my text messages that's all no problem what are you doing with it he said the house caught on fire mhm and then he says with something from the garage and I asked him if he closed the garage he said yes if he went to the garage he said yes and I I said did you go grab something in garage he said yes a bottle okay what did he do with this the only thing I ask is for you to find these people what did he do his oven he pulled it out why because that's what they told him to do why did you turn it on because that's what they told him to do they're driving crazy they're everywhere I know you can't forgive me I know I respect you for being honest with us being honest I'm sorry no your mom will respect you okay my he said kill me no you're going to get through this my friend you're going to get you're going to get through this orge statement that voices told him to kill and that a group of people pressured him into committing the crime may indicate a form of psychotic thinking or delusional disorder these are symptoms often associated with severe mental health disorders such as schizophrenia or a substance induced psychosis alternatively this could be an attempt to deflect responsibility where Jorge is using a narrative of external control people in distress or those facing legal consequences sometimes adopt these kinds of delusions or stories to justify their actions and manipulate the perception ception of their culpability ask I just want to know is he seeing [Music] thect he said no but he recently he's been seeing stuff is he on medicine those people appear everywhere okay ask him again I want to go back just to the drugs does he take any cocaine today no smoke [Music] [Music] marijuana for the more the interrogation progressed the clear clear the motive became when locazo was arrested $23 was discovered in his pocket the detectives soon linked it to ell's wallet which had been opened and searched a dollar bill still burning next to her provided the final piece of the puzzle suggesting the crime wasn't just about violence but about greed stay with me okay toilet is that okay [Music] step and he's getting dizzy cuz he hasn't hasn't eat anything can we give him anything to e orge is under extreme pressure where the gravity of his situation is undeniable the prospect of facing a serious charge combined with the intense scrutiny of the detectives can trigger a fight or flight response when a person experiences high levels of anxiety their sympathetic nervous system is activated this leads to various physical symptoms including nausea stomach cramps and a sensation of being physically overwhelmed in Jorge's case his nausea might reflect the intense emotional distress and psychological shock he is feeling as the interrogation forces him to confront the severity of his actions the body's natural response to this stress is often gastrointestinal discomfort as the body's stress response affects digestive processes causing a feeling of sickness marijuana use can contribute to withdrawal symptoms although they are generally less intense than those associated with cocaine however if Jorge was using both substances the combination of withdrawal effects could make his nausea more severe and prolonged on April 5th 2023 Jorge was convicted of first-degree murder burglary and arson he was subsequently sentenced to two life sentences without the possibility of parole tacking on an additional 30 years for first deegree arson hopefully you enjoyed the video if you did there is a patreon link in the description where you can support the channel further thank you for watching I'll see you in the next one [Music]