why did Mike go there tonight in the first place Mike was planning to Rob him who's him B why Boby cuz he's got like a big amount of cocaine a big amount of heroin and he's got 25,000 with cash in his house at all times she admits that there was a pre-planned robbery That was supposed to take place we were going to make a plan like what was the plan going to be like he asked me where rooms were so I told him the placement of the rooms did you write them down did you show yeah it was a map of like the house just kind of like a layout of the house you're part of this and it got out of control yeah while passing through Chester New York at 8:15 at night on December 18th 2019 a motorist noticed a man crumpled on the street pulling over they were shocked to find 28-year-old Michael Partridge beaten and bound they called 911 and Partridge was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead investigators traced his movements back to a home shared by Courtney clemenza Seth pelz Robert Haskell and Timothy Smith earlier in the evening Partridge had shown up with a gun with the intention to Rob them they were able to disarm him but instead of calling the police they held him down and beat him to death with a baseball bat everybody's drinking I'm the only one not drinking all right so here's what we're going to do all right I'm going to just John and I are going to kind of sit here so don't be creeped out by us look all right but we're just going to let you uh take us through today's events start this morning work all the way until you're at the quick check with us all right and then and then what I'm going to do is just you know is once you go through we go back just like the pen thing and I might direct you to areas to kind of you know make it clear in my mind and make sure I'm understanding what you're saying the detectives start the interview with a friendly tone giving clemenza a chance to tell her version of events Hoke up um I got me and the baby dressed um Seth came and picked us up I dropped her at daycare she goes uh we dropped at daycare um I went and hung out with him for a few hours and then I usually pick her up between like 3: and 4 um I was going to pick her up with him but then I saw Mike was parked with his grandpa's car in like coming out of McDonald's and in that parking lot and I just didn't feel comfortable cuz they don't like each other um I thinks I slept with Seth and I don't know if you can tell but I think Seth gay so and once I saw like the V plus vehicle I was just like just take me home I didn't even tell S I just had him drop me home um I walked to get milk first cuz I didn't want to deal with him myself and then my mom texted me he was outside he's been coming to the house um he's been kind of homeless the past week uh his family doesn't really want anything to do with him so unbeknownst to my mom a few nights I have let him sleep in my room she hasn't known and I've let him leave the next morning but um he'll pop up during the day and I just tell him he can't come in cuz he's gotten CAU from my mom a few times and they just just doesn't like him my brother doesn't like him and her house her rules so I uh got some milk she texted me he was there and then he pulled up at Shell and um instead of closing a scene I just got in the car with him and then he went to the daycare and he had a handle B vodka opened and I said I'm not having my daughter come in the car with you and he didn't like that he like started yelling and I was just like let me out of the car so I got out of the car I grabbed um he must have went to his Grandpa's by then cuz he wasn't in the parking lot that was I'm sorry the shell the shell we just pulled over in yes yes that okay I'm sorry no fine and then um so I walked home with the baby cuz it's like a block away and then he pulled up again on me on um main the Main Street I think it's 17 on know 94 17 was it right in front of the diner and he's like oh just get in the car I'll drive you home I was like I'm not having a drive drunk with my daughter um so then I just walked across the street and then he pulled on parked on the side of the road um got out of the car I started following me I said and the neighbors were out across the street there's a red house and another one and they were coming down and said just please leave me alone she doesn't take to that very well he doesn't listen I could tell him please don't come over he'll tell me I'm on my way comes to my window knock knock knock and it's just like he'll get loud and he just has not left me alone and he's not afraid of police he doesn't care he's just he's been Reckless lately and he told me he's not stopping till he goes to jail oh yeah cuz I mean this is the first time he's ever really been homeless so I know he's kind of been crying every night but he's also like this like balls anger and I don't know he basically told me no I was like why go to jail just go to rehab but I don't know he didn't know it all 28 know it all what's his problem and um I've noticed lately so he was in the past and then when he went to jail and he came out I believe he went back yeah so I mean I found him and he said he got the flu shot they gave him a pack of needles I've never heard of that so um so then I called Seth and I just wanted to get out of the house like please just come pick me up um so he picked me up CU my gry told me he was going to be on his way if I didn't answer him and I just want him out of my life but I just want him to just ably leave you know I told him I don't want to call cops on you like I don't do that crap just leave like CLA describes a situation involving harassment according to her she tried to be reasonable but the man continued to trespass so and then um I was at my friend's house and we were sitting in the living room I made my daughter a mac and cheese and first we heard like a taing and I was like is that you and what what friend Seth okay right out in the living room watching um Big Bang Theory I think was on and I heard tapping and I just looked out I didn't really see anything but I was just like you know maybe I'm paranoid cuz you know keeps calling and texting and maybe it's just in my head so Seth looked out and he thought he saw someone like leaving the driveway but he wasn't sure so we didn't think anything of it um and he must have been going around the house or I don't know that that ding on the side of the car all of a sudden we heard a bong and it sound like a gunshot I there's a hole on the side of my door that came open yeah yeah that's that's new yeah that's new from from Michael Michael okay and then um after that like he left we thought he left cuz there was a few minutes gone by nobody heard anything and all of a sudden like I saw it like slow motion I swear to God me I had my daughter we actually just walked it's like kitchen to living room and we walked and he must have shot like at the door to open it like with a [ __ ] rifle and um you just saw like you know like glowing in like you know air and stuff and slow motion and like I looked and could it was like at my daughter's size so I just got really scared and he came in he wouldn't even look at me and like he wanted to go lunch at my friend Seth and I just like panicked I mean Seth got the gun out of his hand and then I like heard tussling and like started freaking out so I just got out of there I walked down the block to kind of like you know I didn't want her freaking out and like I don't know if she'll remember that I don't want her seeing that so I kind of just left for a a little bit I came back and were gone so I I don't know what happened like from that like let hasn't spoken for hours he's very um visibly shaken up I don't know if you can tell he won't talk to me he's just kind of pacing around um he just says I don't want to talk about it he's like Mike tried to kill me tonight I saw the look in his eyes I could tell he's like scared for his life I mean they they haven't gotten along but like who SE Michael and just just just needs help I don't know if like this was his way cuz he like first he when he shot he walked out I don't know if he was like trying to lure stff outside it was just it was weird so every time like he would tap then he would like try to like lower someone down the driveway it seemed I don't know if it was trying to lure me you're trying to lower Seth but nobody was going outside and that's when he came shot the door walked in was anyone else there with you guys uh Bobby was there he stays there too um I just left cuz I didn't want my daughter was screaming at and I just felt terrible like now Bobby was in the back of the car tonight when you were what did he say about the whole thing to you they have't spoke and they just like kind of I'm staying in set's room and he's just kind of like sat there like this like he's like visibly it's like a look of just worry he's bipolar but like a look of worry and panic so when you got back from your walk with how far did you walk like I walked like all the way down the road and we took like maybe half hour 45 minute walk I would say then you came back yeah I just didn't know what was going on didn't want to know and just was like so when you came back who was at the house Bobby was house mik was gone Mike was gone okay so I'm going to take you back to the beginning okay and now we're going to we're I'm going to ask some questions to kind of direct you and see if we can cuz I don't know these areas that you're that you're talking got okay so this morning let's go let's go a little bit further back okay you said Mike you had Mike unbeknownst to your mom he was he didn't say house last night his son was he got he has a three-year-old son okay and I guess um he spoke to the kid's mother he has the same name as me so his grandpa let him stay with the baby at the house so he was say his Grandpa's last night okay so the last time that Mike actually slept last night the night before last night the night before last night okay so just so we're all on the same page today is today is there Thursday y today is Thursday so Tuesday to Wednesday so Tuesday night into Wednesday night was the last time Mike actually Ste at your place okay clemenza is competent as she tells her story she believes that her story is simple enough that the detectives will believe her without looking too closely at the details I recently released another shocking case on my patreon this video shows the interview of a man who after being involved in the murder of a man and his wife later ended up shooting a 12-year-old boy in the head you can watch it right now at patreon.com stranger stories plus so Tuesday night and Wednesday night Mike sleeps at your place you allow him to sleep there mom doesn't know this is occurring he hides under the blanket like three uh three comforters and a lot throw blankets okay so he he showed up he sleep there everything was amicable no like little fights but we've just kind of been nitpicking on each other's throats um cuz we used to stay his grandpa's house and have more space they kind of stuck in a it's literally I don't know if you were in my house it's just it's it's a it's a bedroom that's tiny yeah but it's you know three people it's tiny so but I know I I I know it seems like to me just by how you talk about Mike in some aspects there is this on and off again type of relationship with him yeah okay so let me ask and again we're all grown adults here it's you're a young woman he's a young man you know Tuesday and Wednesday night did you guys have any sexual contact with one another no when was my daughter there okay when was last time you actually had sexual contact with him maybe two three weeks ago okay so you guys are on it's an on and off Rel kind of like a LoveHate relationship okay so so that's Tuesday and Wednesday so Tuesday and Wednesday um let me ask you this prior to this whole incident occurring has he ever been physical with you when he's taking his Xanax but very seldom he's not like that really with me so so he's he's mostly passive with you just yells at you ver yeah he justes yeah just more of a Parker not not real aggressive towards you physically just a just kind of a loud mouth yeah okay you know this stuff yeah I've known him for like three years okay so in the three years he's not been physical with you actually he um I was with someone right before him and he was abusive and he'd actually um he wasn't friends he was kind of like friends with uh my ex and he would see like him like us fighting physically and he was like I'm getting you out of that so Mike said that to you so he's kind of like he's kind of like not not somebody that you would say was abusive to no okay see just somebody that you're trying to take care of cuz he was going through a tough time homeless wise and adct and like usually his grandpa and Dad help him but like his dad got sober so now he kind of like f yeah it's like but but in your other than this the drinking and the addiction to these M drinking just got so bad like but even with the with the drinking has he been real physical with you okay so so he's not been real physical no alter when the last time you had a barring this uh yelling at the you know out in front with the the drinking in the car and not having the daughter there which is totally understandable when was the last time PRI of that like a l fight I mean we've been fighting a lot lately but just kind of like little snippet fights you know verbal just just like nitpicking it hasn't been like screaming matches or like like you had to call the police for because it's a domestic okay all right so he's not that's good that means he's just more of the addiction and he's just not with the the alcohol okay so now you said you drop you uh you wake up um this morning yes now you said you were at your mom's house where's your mom's house that's where you usually lay your head yes okay so have you ever gone and told your mom mom that he's abusive to you or your brother that he's abusive I'm sure they hear the little nitpick yeah I mean they hear the fighting or like when I tell him to leave and he doesn't you know I just get mad cuz like she's yelling at me to get rid of them so it's kind of like stressful my daughter's yelling so like get okay understandable so now he is not there this morning no so it's youh your brother Ben and your mom Gina yes there you guys are all at the house yes you wake up and get ready for daycare at what time um I want to say between 8 and 8:30 CU she went around yeah around 9 9:15 it's when we drop offw now when does Seth didn't sleep there overnight okay so so when you go to drop off who's with you me Seth you said so what time does Seth show up at the house um around 9:00 between 9:00 and 9:15 they literally take the minute from my house to the daycare in a car okay so he's so so Seth drives you around yeah basically what car the silver Toyota now who owns that silver Toyota it's technically in my name because he's had a few um like massice license but the questions about the truck do not arouse clemenza's suspicions although she should be wondering why they're interested it's really his when you say his who Seth Seth okay now I don't know Seth's last name what's SE name P okay so so that car is technically registered to you insurance is yours yes okay but Seth is the one who always with him yeah okay so now where does Seth live he was living at but then he moved um into the room in Goan it's um I don't cuz he G when he gave me it the first time it took me to the wrong house so I think he messed up and gave me the wrong number he gave me but I'm not sure it was like right there though so it's like so it's so it's in the area of did you put it in like still pH if I pull up like if I go get a map and You' be able to point it out which one is of course maybe I'll get a piece of paper and a map yeah um you think it's near if you go on so what road do you come off of what is that main right um where the DM where the DMV I was talking about the new court yeah it's literally when you drive you maybe drive two three more minutes and right before the bend you'll go on okay so let before John goes and gets that map for you who owns that house I don't know I just know Seth rent a room he rents a room I'm not a few other men live there who he rent it from I'm not sure cuz I know I think the one gentleman who's um on vacation right now so so who who stays in who stays there that you know of Bobby so Bobby stays there there's this big black guy but I don't know his name I know he works overnight cuz his car was there when we were there this morning but he sleeps all day he work was he there last night when the gunshot happened and all that he wasn't he was sleeping you never woke up no and when I walked back he was gone for work so okay and what like um like gunshots a big deal right yeah and like I we thought we heard a gunshot but it was I guess he had a crowbar I'm not sure but all right let's so we we'll go back but so it's some it's somewhere in the area so when you turn on on the right hand side left side left hand side but if you go right from the main row like I was telling him left side left side okay so so Bobby stays there Seth stays there two other people two other guys one of which was out of town yeah and the other one works overnight corre and he was there yes okay so John's going to go get that thing we'll have you kind of pinpoint that while I ask you some more specifics um um one of the things so so now you're at we're at daycare so 9:00 he shows up between 9 and 9915 sta all right he is in that car which is the toy Toyota okay comes to knocks on the door how long oh he just texted me here oh he just texted I deleted it cuz it was just literally going say here okay so he texted you here and then I just brought and then you brought and you guys head over to what's the name of the daycare all right which is like a minute away yeah all right so now you guys go over together and you drop he stays outside yes now you come back out yes all right where do you go from there we went to shop right we got now you got to keep mind I don't know where shop right is oh um we passed it on the way um that main L town where Walgreens is here is that Goan or Chester it's Chester where Walgreens is here it's that Plaza down here okay so you went to the shop right in Chester about what time uh maybe 9:30 it's not even 2 minutes from daycare everything's kind of like things behind close Okay so 9:30 you go there what' you guys go there for what' you buy breakfast food breakfast food got bacon would should not be rotten eggs um and orange juice uh chocolate milk and got creamer for coffee on okay so you were there for about how long 10 minutes at best it was pretty quick there was nobody inside okay it's early that's beautiful um so you were in and out about 10 minutes at shop right around 9:30 9:40 and then where did he go from there went to his house and uh he made breakfast so you ended up going over to yeah to have breakfast with him at his house yes all right so now in that time period do you see Michael in his grandfather's car or does Mom reach out to you saying he's anywhere in the area yeah she did say he popped by the house at what time there are certain events that clemenza has to take extra care to be accurate any period that can be verified or contradicted by security footage phone records or another person will be especially damaging to clemenza if she lies little last 10 okay that she said you sto by I guess he went to my window so I wasn't inside so he knocked on the front door said he had my laptop which he does have cuz he did lose his phone so I let him use it to like message me on messenger and um now didn't he give that back I thought he gave that back last week the week prior no he did and I let him use it again but my didn't she didn't know that okay so he still had that yeah last he did bring it back for a little bit but then he was in the room with it he doesn't he just took it he left now do you still have do you have that laptop or no he does he still has it okay is probably with El at Grandpa that's where he stays yeah should be okay so I saw today in the car so sure it was in in the Grandpa's vehicle in Grandpa's vehicle you saw it okay so the laptop computer is in Grandpa's vehicle when you see it what time did you see that um was like between 3:45 and 4 cuz that's I got usually I mean I'm scheduled 7:30 to 5 for her daycare but sometimes I pick I try to pick her up by 3: I don't want her there old day right so I tried to but today I know I was there almost at 4: she did have a Christmas party at 3 what type of computer is it uh HP HP black red red red HP okay so you saw that in the car yes between 3:45 and 4:00 so just so you have your breakfast over how long are you out there four um I was there till about 3:00 we were just hanging out we watched a movie Lawless together movie yeah I never seen it really good not bad uh we watched Southpaw we started another one yeah I saw that that dragged on a little bit but it's not a b movie um he put up blinds in his room and we just talked I haven't really hung out too much in a while because Mike doesn't like him and I've kind of been H up with Mike in my room so well does did he um did you guys go anywhere in that time here do anything any shopping we just hung out so you just hung out at the house anybody else at the house where you're hanging out the guy was sleeping upstairs but I never really seen him or ran into him i' seen him like once or twice in pass was Bobby there yeah he was there too so so is Bobby hanging out with you and Seth or just me and Seth just you and Seth now do you know Bobby at all yeah now how do you know Bobby he used to um his cousin I think stayed uh at the opposite side of my mom's house okay so you know him from being in a neighborhood yeah he used so like I don't know if he worked in the industrial park and chest it's like a 5 minute walk now does he know Michael too he seen him a past have they had any any uh you know relationship not really I mean Mike I don't know why but all of a sudden he thinks I'm sleeping with everyone and I'm not he thinks you're sleeping with Bobby too yeah I don't know why so has he confronted Bobby yeah Bobby's just like he's he's older he's like listen like I'm older like I don't want her like I don't even know her that well so he just tells them enough but Mel like get stuck in head sometimes I don't know if it's alcohol but so you were after so you get you left daycare at like what time drop ra uh this morning yeah like 9 he picked me up like between 9 9 and 9:15 so it's like right around there okay and then you leave and you go to you don't stop for gas you don't stop well we sto at Shop Right for breakfast that was after yep after leaving that was breakfast home home and his house but no stops for gas or anything else and you stay there until 3: yeah and then he brought me back and that's all in the same car that silver Toyota's registered to you Bobby's out there did you talk to Bobby when you were staying over there hi yeah he came in and said hi asked how the baby was really it okay so now um we'll just take a break from that and see so this is 207 that's the main road I got two two print outs here this one's a little bit more expanding it's not it's not Topo like that okay um or satellite view so here's 207 this is do you come on the here like this driveway but this like yeah that house is here and then this one is using a map clemenza is able to point out the house she was referring to earlier it just looks weird so why don't you Circle the one that that is the house it's weird cuz it's like I guess this might be the do you pass a long shed here long that yes that's where you park cuz this is where like the cars park can you can you do me a favor and just put uh put your initials next to that and where do you go in uh right on this side so that's set that sets his room is up here so you got to go in and then go around and then go up can you just kind of put a right there fo steps just so I know so I don't cuz again I don't know know that is here um you said this Bobby lives there too yeah where's his room right next to us okay and is there anybody else there's two more Fellas on this side yeah um how well you know that that's upstairs that's all upstairs yes okay um I'm don't him I've seen like the one guy who's out of town I've seen him a few times he's giv me like a toy giraffe okay can you can you do me a favor and just sign your name down here and then date we'll date it that way nobody Alters it and I don't I have a recollection now of where where you're talking about today would be the 19th and John has the time let's go with uh she's 6 uh 628 okay so so now you're over there till 3:00 now it's you and Bob well Bobby's there right when you leave when you leave at 3 Bobby's still there right correct okay and that other gentleman's still sleeping yeah and the other gentleman had already left yeah he left I believe yesterday or the day before right sure so he went on vacation you said or something which his parents house in Florida H okay so he's gone so there's nobody else in the house um you go with Seth to go get that was the plan and then when we were at the top of the Road by the fell at the light I just like saw Birds I just I don't know why the corner of my eye looked and I saw Michael leaving McDonald's and pulling into there and I just the way he parked pulling into where the shell pull no pulling into the parking lot because it's like a strip mall of um like jellies and the laom is where it ends he parked found the laundromat and then and what time is the plaza the same size as McDonald's correct so he's in that Plaza yes so he was at the McDonald's and then went into the plaza yes and what time was that that um I picked her up it was almost 4:00 so he's there around between 3:45 and 4: yeah but it was a little earlier because that's brought me home first so it was like I wanted to say around 3:30 and then we went around the shell like we did he dropped me off cuz my road you can go either way in and out yeah and he dropped me off this way he left I didn't want to see Michael my mom needed milk so I went this I went this way to Shell my mom texted me like right as I got this and said why the [ __ ] is mik here he's parked outside tell him to leave so hold on one second when you see you're with Seth and you see him at McDonald's pulling into that what's he driving his Grandpa's I don't know it's like a I think a Ford it's like older style Ford what color I think it's silver silver or grayish it's like a grayish silver okay and and how did you know it was him I just knew it was a he was driving like a [ __ ] and S car you should have just when you say that when he's driving that way what do you mean by that um like just driving fast erratic okay so that's so that's so you ID him there and that's at 3 between like 330 3:45 okay so you must have said something to Seth I just so sth just bring me home he's like why let's get I'll get I got to take a walk he didn't know you saw m no okay so now he drives you over to your mom's M right get out Y and he pulls into the driveway drops you off now where does he he leaves yeah okay where was he going home just D so did you go inside and talk to M yep went inside I told her I was going did you tell her Mike was out there lurking about no okay I was hoping you don't think he saw you then telling someone that Partridge was there would have helped to strengthen her story no he didn't because he was driving this way and I went the opposite of the island okay so now you you go you walk to the Shell gas station at what time U right after he dropped me off so around like 3:45 350 okay and you buy what there milk milk that was it yep now do you walk do you do you walk back home before going to the daycare or yeah I was walking back as I was leaving sh he pulled in Mike and was talking and he's like oh get in I'll get you to I'll take you to get I was like I really don't want to I was like you know what you can drop me home cuz I didn't bring the stroller so I was like you drop me home and then I'll just bring the stroller where did that conversation happen in the at the parking lot where in the parking lot at CH he kind of pulled almost towards like the front door like in between the pumps and the um door so between so there's the pumps he got the door and there's a little bit of safe and he pulls right there and you have that conversation and he's driving granda's car same car you seeed driving or out here all right so now you have that conversation sttion he's like get in we'll go get together you say no yeah and what happens then he still drove to the day here with you yeah so you did get it in the car at the yeah I got it in the car with the milk yes okay and then I he um just like put his foot on the gas just strove retardedly and as he was turning his KNE concerned with ding at babka so I knew he was already like three sheets to the wind did he grab that vodka while he was like when you were in the parking lot of the shell or was he he turning to go towards the daycare so he's leaving the parking lot turning out of the parking lot and what time was that maybe 355 B okay so now you guys go to the daycare yes all right and then I got out of the car I said I'm going to get not getting back in the car with you he like I'll let you drive but the car is like on its last leg so I just don't want to cuz actually the grandpa stalled in that same parking lot and the car wouldn't turned back home so I just want to be responsible for that so then I was just like you know what I'll just walk home with let go home so then um we started yelling cuz he wouldn't leave and then he finally left um got home where was that conversation right in front of the daycare so that's right right in front of the daycare and what time was that like 4: did anybody witness that I didn't see anyone I was like just fin of put my head down hoping nobody saw and luckily at 4 that this is happening do you already have at that time no so you haven't gone into school yet no okay I went inside grabbed her came out he was gone so we walked home we were walking home and as we got like in front of the diner he's um oh I just see him like pulling into the diner parking lot like I'm not letting you walk home I'm like you throw a rock at my road like it's not a walk need you're right there literally like throw a rock so did you ever get in the car with them no absolutely not so you guys walk right to the house yep now while you're getting that milk at that Shell station you're getting a call from Mom saying he showed up at house her text yeah she texted now what time that what time was that again that was um like 3:45 350 is when mom texts you hey what's he doing here yeah [ __ ] he here again okay so and now you say to that what I just said I don't know cuz she she already knows like I could tell him tell blue in the face he doesn't listen he does what he he wants he I don't know he thinks he could do whatever he wants very harded so what time did you get back to the house um was like 410 maybe was he following you the whole way or he went all the way to his grandpa's house down on Hudson Street which uh if you the dinery just keep going there's a cing farms and then past that is uh his Road M um and he just a dead at my grandpa so he went home cuz he doesn't have a phone right now he broke her loss when he was drunk he only has a different phone that goes on Wi-Fi I guess okay so and my laptop so he went to his grandpa's house and I don't know which one he went on but he messaged me on Facebook and he's like I'm not letting you walk home I'll be right back and I'm like okay I was ready almost I'm like okay so then he pulls on like he's coming pulls in the diner tries to get us to go I said I'm not get to the car with you he's works first that he follows me on foot a little bit and I'm like just leave me alone he where did he have far be follow you on foot not far cuz I got back in the car cuz I just grabbed given partridge's habit of not respecting boundaries it is unclear why clemenza would keep allowing him into her home was just around the diner when he goes in yeah so then I just kind of grabb her the little bit of energy I had from being sick and then I just got um so I grabb her and luckily there's no traffic so I book it across the street he books it across the street on in the car pulls over like by the liquor store and then gets out on foot and I'm was just like leave me alone I don't like to fight in front of and of course she sees um it's not her real father but she's daddy daddy daddy that's all she really knows so she kind of like ran up to him so like this all happens between the diner and the the gas station type like the diner in my house the diner in your house okay so then he's like what do you want me to do do you want to hang out I'm like just leave I'm like I'm already getting ringed up cuz you're parked outside like just go home so he's like okay so he left yeah what time did he leave your driveway um maybe 4:15 420 4:15 now you're in the house in five minute increment outside by like where my mail boxes were so you haven't even made it inside with no okay and then he finally leaves at about 4:15 yes now you go inside yes all right now you're inside with Mom MH obviously mom sees this happening yeah what's mom say why are you with this scumbag I and then I called sass I'm like hey can you come pick us up can we stay with you for the night like I can't stay here like he's just going to keep popping up like did you text him or call him called him so that was at four what like 4:15 and he was there pretty quick um what's that say to that he was just like you need to leave him already I don't know how many times you got to tell you like can't be around this he always tries to elction Stubborn too I don't know and then um that was the last time I heard from him until the to this was from Mike yeah now so 4:15 Mike leaves you yeah that's the last time you see Mike yeah at 4 maybe 30 35 is when Seth is when Seth shows up and you call Seth right after Mike leaves yeah you say I want to take and get out of here yes I just want to get away for the night okay when you walk in the house house and your mom and you have that conversation M right what uh were you upset were you pissed off were you like out of breath and annoyed out of breath and annoyed and what were you annoyed at specifically just that he just doesn't listen like and he knows he's causing problems between me and my mother and he just doesn't care it's Michael's world religion so he just wants to kind of go against the grain M to be with you yeah is basically what it is how's your mom feel she hates him his passion how's your brother feel about him hat and more okay okay hat and more all right so so 4:30 he shows cth shows up about 434 yeah around there like now what do you what does he show up in again the Toyota the Toyota this register to yes okay he shows up you jump in with Okay um car seats in there yeah I just keep it in there because I don't now where's the car seat in the car in the back behind me well behind the driver's seat so behind your driver's seat does it ever come out of the car no it always stays in yeah like I don't like if he goes out sometimes he'll take it out if heend out well that's that's why I'm asking you it sets out of my house okay so he knows he's coming to pick you up that car seats in the car yes okay cuz he knows yeah okay so now he picks you up up about 4:30 4:35 you guys leave your house after mom basically tells you yeah she doesn't M at that point she knew it wasn't you know she knows I can't control M she actually helped me pack and told me you know go enjoy myself turn the phone off if you have to okay so you you you take off with Mike do you got M I'm sorry with you got to try to keep everything in so you take off with stth 4:35 you going over to um do you stop anywhere no actually he realized that I forgot diapers so he was just so tired that I dropped him off and then I went to CVS and go should got diap where did you drop him off so you drive from Mom's house and then I swap seat and then you swap seat with you you take a car now and go to the ghost CVS which is right at the Block the quick check that we were at the security footage from the CVS will be obtained and examined to see if it corroborates clemenza's story it happened before the murder took place so it isn't likely to contain anything relevant to the case okay and you buy diapers diap I forgot they got everything clothes toys and the one they ever got okay so she's to anyone there no I don't really know anybody in go okay so now you go up there do all that you buy uh you buy the diapers and everything for for and do you get a do you get a text from Mom or a call from Mom or a call from you know from Mike or anybody Mike doesn't have a phone he only messag me on Facebook so unless you guys that comp out of everything so unless he's got the computer he can't get a hold of you nope okay so do you do you you don't see him again until he no cuz he's do not supposed to leave Chester like he'll only drive around Chester to find me uh lately he's been on foot a lot because him and his grandpa haven't been getting along so I don't know how he got to the car today CU I know they haven't been really talking I know the sun broke the ice with the so grandpa really isn't allowing him to use the car no okay why um he did get in a bad accident last year uh November 30th M he I was working at mobile um um then he went and mobile and then it's Taco Bell and a car wash and he like you could hear it was a truck back then he had a Ford Explorer the big one and uh he pulled out and I guess he want to pull in where uh the Taco Bell was and smashed him just some one and now the grandpa and him being fed okay so now at 4: what time do you 4:35 he picks you up it's only it's not that far to get house so what time did you get there um 10 12 minutes later so you're there by 4:45 yeah uh yeah okay so you're there how long do you stay there before you go back out to CVS I went quick cuz our whole plan we're going to just hang out watch movies you know maybe ordered food we to show you what we're going to do I just hang out you know the three of us in his room he's got a air mattress right now but it's one of those like Comfort ones so we were just going to hang out you know kind of get away from all the drama and [ __ ] and just talk that really like talk one on one now when you get there who's there um the dude is sleeping I didn't even know uh that one of the guys that lives there uh Bobby was upstairs in his room um and then it was me downstairs okay so now you guys are there you go out to the Goan CVS what time do you get to that roughly um maybe five 5 10 around there can't imagine you're there too long no how long you think you're there um I grabbed went a grabbed the whes diapers I grabbed a box one those like macaroni chees in pop in the microwave and they grabbed Arizona okay you big Arizona Snapple I love Snapple they don't have no I don't know why raspberry so hard F so now you uh you finished that what time do you think you leave the CVS to go back to roughly it was like I guess they have a new little self checkout thing so I did that for the first time um to take a few extra minutes she wants to run around the store blah blah blah so it took probably 10 minutes in total okay nobody's approached to talk to you and nothing like that so so five what would you say you're back from there say 5:30 probably like 5 God they're like 5:30 they like 10 minutes 5:40 so maybe like 5:50 cuz you got to go like through town and it's 30 so it's a little slower slow motion and it's like about shower time so okay so now you get back there and Bobby's there Mike's there guy sleeping's there Mike wasn't there I'm sorry he doesn't Mike does now what time does Mike show up I don't know I it was like we were hanging out maybe 45 minutes to an hour I want to say yeah it was like like that turning point it was like starting to be dark dark but not too like pitch black m like where you can still see like Shadows walking and stuff mhm but so now you you were there you guys are talking what are you what else you yeah what else are you doing I'm feeding herbal feeding the mac and cheese she's running around cracking up uh playing with her toy her Peppa Pig um watching TV or yeah yeah uh Big Bang Theory was on we were like kind of watching it I don't box watch that anybody watching it with you no it was just us the detectives are more interested in this portion of the timeline okay and then you say us me all right so now you're at give me a rough time you know like give me an estimate on when that tapping starts to happen it had to be I'm trying to think we watched like one full episode of maybe a half of a second one so maybe like 45 minutes like it all happened so fast it was like a tapping and then like it so we were looking out the window and like I thought I saw someone but something it snowed like everything kind of looks jumbled and stuff so I couldn't tell so then we just kind of were like paranoid and like is this mic and then it's like no no you're just kind of bugging out you know you're upset because what happened like let's just you know relax and then we heard the bang of him in the car and like then we opened the window and saw him like leaving the driveway so I was like all right you know what we're not going to go outside God forbid he trying to do anything let's just stay inside so then it was very quiet for like 5 10 minutes so what time is that though roughly maybe like 6:30ish so 6:30 you hear this going on you hear the bang what did he have anything in his hand out there when he when you hear the bang when you looked out I mean looking at the the dent at the whole hole I could see but I didn't what did you think it was it looked like a like a hole I don't even know like an axe maybe I'm not sure but he didn't have anything he he wasn't holding anything I mean I we didn't see him we just heard this bang and then we looked and he was walking down down the driveway down the driveway did you see his his grandpa's car no so I when I took the walk like I walked all the way to the end of the block I didn't see it on either side of the road so I was like confused CU he not talking to anybody it's like no friends right now his family kind of turned their back so I can't imagine he got a ride so I don't know where he parked it okay so you hear you hear the bang you don't go out immediately with with Seth or anybody then what I'm going to have to do is be very specific with me with what transpires next you hear the the bang you see Mike out there and you see you just said you saw Mike walking back down driveway the road what was he wearing I just saw cuz he's had he has this black jacket which is all he really wears that's all they saw all I saw is black so he getting it was darker out by then so uh he had his black jacket I'm assuming the only pair of jeans he's been wearing for a week um and I know underneath he sweatpants probably that's what he's been wearing every day so now you see him walking away what happened then it got quiet so we kind of like you know calmed down settled down got set back down watching TV and then like for long it wasn't even like 10 15 minutes and that's when we heard like a shot at the door and like it was just crazy like I just turned around and just saw cuz it was right where the doors were like you know you walk and stuff so it's like dirt and stuff on the floor you just saw like dirt flying it was kind of like out of a movie and we walk from the kitchen so I was like scared shitless like I could have got hit okay and um then after what type of door is this just normal uh is it like PL glass door is it a steel door is it a wood door does have Windows on it yeah it has like a window I think with like the p on it stain glass or clear glass clear clear glass clear glass I don't remember too much I just so where do you see him from when you see this I immediately brought I walked in the living room and then like he came in like towards Seth like he followed Seth upstairs because Seth was going in his room like I don't and then they ran upstairs together start panicking I start panicking and I got I grabbed my coat to put her coat on real quick she's crying because she don't know what the [ __ ] going on we your commotion upstairs give me one second I want to take you back that shot when when you hear that shot in the dirt where are you standing when that happened I just got back to the living room from the kitchen throwing out the mac and cheese container and you and this shot was at the front door the that side door the map you showed us yeah okay just one yeah it was just and then like it sound like a kicking in loud yeah was loud so scary so he he's never where was the tapping though he said there was some tapping when he sit in the living room there's a TV and then there's like two windows was at this window that heard and that's the same tap he does when he at my house yeah this this shot and everything yeah it's like 10 15 minutes prior so that's so you hear the bang at the car mhm you guys look tap bang leaves come back shoot the door so bang tap bang leave no tap tap car yeah tap bang leaves and then comes back and shoots the door okay the order of events is slightly confusing and clemenza has to repeat herself multiple times it is still unclear if Partridge only meant to frighten them or if he intended to cause harm and then and you and you you saw already you saw what did you see to say that it was a shot cuz when he came around the corner I saw the barrel it was a long barrel and he was like going like did you see stock of it or it was just a black long black thing I don't know I'm just like I is like so everything happen so quick and like I was like going to follow him but something told me not to just like leave so I just like I was panicking panicking I put my jacket on I got her little jacket on put her boots on grabbed her and just now he's upstairs at that point knocking on Seth St he like he follow cuz Seth was downstairs and like he's really confrontational guy you could tell like I can beat Seth up yeah so like sth got scared like he just ran upstairs like I don't he was just like I going to go in his room shut the door I don't think he knew like how to I mean obiously he knew he heard the shot but he he didn't he would even talk to me about it he was very like suppressed about it so he just ran upstairs he just told me he's like he just sat there and said I felt like I was going to die t i I just ran upstairs and then like you just kind of heard movement you know like shuffling so I just was like she's screaming and she must have known it was Mike I know by the jacket she's saying Daddy Daddy Daddy so just like grab my kid and go but she's not upstair you guys aren you're downstairs so you see Seth and you see Mike run up the stairs yes was Mike ahead of Seth or Seth ahead of M Seth was in the front and Mike was like following quickly behind him he said M you said that uh Seth is not a confrontation person he would going to fly he wouldn't he said you could beat him up yeah even non-confrontational people have their limits in some cases they can react more violently than those with tempers if you talk to him he's very like sof spoken he's just very um very passive but there's a lot of guys that are like U you know seventh belt karate Specialists that he's not that you know that for a fact he's not at all do you think he's scared of Mike yes honestly how do you know he's scared Michael is psychotic and like he's very like in your face like if he don't like you he'll just like it he'll like monkey move at you he just but he's not like that with you that no he W monkey Mo cuz he knows better like he's seen me in my ex fight I mean not that I'll beat him up or anything but and he's told me like I would never hit my girlfriends whatever but he doesn't care with guys and like I Seth won't tell me is afraid of him but he just know okay he doesn't he won't be around him he won't put himself around him he will not be with him alone okay so so now they go up they go upstairs and you hear rustling around yeah and you get and you leave the house and where do you go I walked off the street all the way down to the end just kind of like collect my thought down the end of the driveway the K I went down the end of the driveway and all the way down the block right or left left left okay so you go down Street all the way back to the left not towards the main road but no towards like the back roads and stuff okay um with yes okay you said you got you got her up you got her was she dressed was she she was dressed I just had to throw her jacket shoes on and that was it what were you wearing um no not this I was wearing uh sweatpants uh dark gray sweatpants and my big jacket your big jacket yeah okay so excuse me you okay so oh my God yeah I know they're not the most comfortable chairs so you grab Bella you go down the road with just a jacket anything I carrying anything else bags I can't it with her she's a little chunk of mon okay so you're you're walking down the road with her yes um who and at this point it's only Bob Bobby in the house what's Bobby's last name oh I don't know I know his cousin's last name is Fuller I don't know if they have the same last name to be honest okay no but Bobby was in the backseat of your car tonight yes at the quick day yes okay or this morning I'm sorry um sleep sorry so Seth there Mike's there guy sleeping's there and Bobby yes when you leave yes okay you just hear a tussling upstairs yeah but you don't know I didn't know what was going on like there wasn't SC um like trying to recall like it was just kind of like a lot of movement you know like I don't know if it was pushing around or I just get cuz just kept and she like heard it louder and we got closer cuz you know we're upstairs you kind of got to go underneath basically and she was just and since then like she's been brok and sleep all night on and off I don't know if she's scared like when she woke up she was like Mommy Mommy and like she just needed me and then she was just like this for like an hour and like so what time did that happen what time was that about roughly I had to be within a half hour of the tap um I didn't even like I left I didn't even bring my phone because my mom I was in the middle of texting I'm like yo Mike just shot the [ __ ] door and she was like you need to get home so then um I was just I didn't even take the phone I left my b you text your mom that yeah yeah and I had like battery I don't honestly it was had to be between like now your mom doesn't have any minutes so that's that text yeah the text um it had to be between like 7 and 7:20 like it was all so quick and I just left my bags and I just grabbed the baby and left I didn't you know care about my stuff at that moment I just when was that that was at the end of night or when you were walking down the road when I was walking I so you do you remember what time roughly I want to say maybe 7:30 7:30 for the most part clemenza may be telling the truth this wasn't a premeditated crime so clemenza would have nothing to hide for the majority of the evening and you said you had 4% battery yeah I looked I believe it said like I think he said 7:22 on the phone did you tell anybody he had showed up they saw him oh my mom but that was about it I don't what time did you what time did you tell her that right when I was leaving I texted her so phone a new battery just threw it back and just left okay so now you so now you leave that's around 7:30 you take about a 45 minute uh thank you take about a 45 minute um um some powder on it sorry you're but it's still good um you you uh you leave about 45 minutes so that would be 8:30 your back I oh I don't even remember the time I came back but yeah not to be about that time yeah does that sound right or yeah thank you okay so you come back around um 8:30 yeah and who's there when you come back Seth um and Bobby the other guy was gone for work okay Seth and Bobby are there anybody did you ask what happened Mike wasn't there no and you didn't see Mike's car when you walked down the road you went to left no I didn't see like when I first left and heard the banging so I just I didn't know if he got dropped off I was like that's what and I left with her and like you know first I calmed her down and we started walking and I'm like you know what let me look for his car cuz maybe I'll pull the driveway with a car and just like lure him out of the house if he was still there I don't know if he ran back to the car when he drinks he just gets very erratic so there's no control so when you leave the last time that you see Michael is when he's running up the stairs behind Seth yes when you go down the road and then make the left and go around the block for 40 minutes or so yeah it's a like cuz where you see the houses it's kind of the beginning of the block so it takes I mean on foot and I can't breathe there's up and Hill up and down hill sure it takes a while yeah it takes up it's no problem it does take slows you down a little bit so but you don't see the car no that's also why I was driving slow to maybe cuz you know you were driving or walk I was walking but like I Wasing I was walking and I was kind of looking for the car in maybe a driveway I was thinking you know cuz there was no shoulder with the snow and stuff something maybe he pulled in a driveway so I'm kind of looking for this car at the same time okay so you get back what does Seth and M and uh excuse me Seth and Bobby say about what happened nothing did you ask I asked Seth and literally he hasn't move from this chair all night he's just been like looking ahead like and all he keeps saying is if you talk to Mike again I will never speak to you you tried to kill me tonight and which she's just very have you talked to Mike S has Mike tried to reach out to you on the computer since I signed out so I can't get any messages until I sign backr okay so there's no way for him to get get a hold of you have you talked to his family at all or no told him how messed up it was or no cuz his grandpa he's in his 80s and he just like doesn't get the stress you know so I'm sorry I've been running back bit did uh so Mike's running in he shoots the gun comes through the door and he's chasing Seth up the steps yeah Seth was downstairs and play cuz we roll downstairs you know watch she doesn't see that that actual thing he goes up the stairs where's where's Bobby he was upstairs in his room and then the guy sleeping was in his room and who's what who's he the other guy that lives here I don't even know his name you know where he works I have no I I think in the industrial park but I'm not what you drive uh there's silver Honda cord okay at the at the two door four-door four-door okay so so now they they don't say anything to you now where do you go from there I went back in the house and then just kind of went up and set's room uh laid down she was panicking um she describe the room to me was it clean was it yeah this room is clean he's a kind of a neat frak um that is yeah okay it's um when you walk in there's like a dresser um a TV that's on a like a chair like that then he has a little nightstand an air mess it's one of those like Comfort Queen ones and then next to it um he's got kind of a nightstand did you check on Bobby to make sure he was okay he came like he was walking around and like he was kind of like disheveled too he was just like pacing back and forth because like where it is it's like one bedroom two bedroom three bed four bedroom and then the bathroom's here so there's like this communal space do anybody have any cuts on them any like injuries that they needed to be attended to no the detective is trying to determine if there were any noticeable defensive wounds clemenza's story about Partridge attacking them would at least give such wounds a plausible explanation SE didn't no bruising no uh no B that's kind of what I was looking for first to see if like slaps or scratches they didn't get shot yeah cuz I cuz when I was like pistol whipped know serious seriously you know when you get back there they're both in this in this the state but yeah Bobby was just pacing around like in the um like in the communal area and Seth was kind of just sitting there just like telling me if I talk to Mike again I'm going to have to choose you know him as my friend or be with Mike and you know he's like this that's crazy like he brought a gun here to shoot me he's like I can't have that like just but nobody had any injuries on them nobody had any broke broken bones or anything like that on nothing like that okay cor I got to ask um you don't like you you never why why you guys even call a cop I don't even know like you just I don't even know to be honest I don't think that I knew they didn't I don't even know H so I'm going to I'm just my phone at the house okay I know you out where did you so after you go back back there and check on them where did you go from there what did you guys do we H out ch's room until what time no until until you got a call with me okay actually I was just laying down did you go anywhere no I was tossing and turning all night so Seth was with you the whole time yeah tonight until we called correct and you're lying in bed with Seth or yeah it's like he has one blow up on so Seth Bellamy and where was Bobby was he in his room his okay so you guys were all at this the the house CRA okay all right anything good 11 were you watching anything good no but they have um sth has what is that new thing called fire fire sck I little on for the baby yeah John you going to step out real quick do you need anything no all right I just yeah I know I just got more chocolate I'll grab yeah I'm going to grab a a water do you want one I'm with okay bathroom good yeah the earing back came oh no do you know where it roll to I it's clear it's like one of these oning me one of those pain you what you say to use is a uh is that it no eraser to a pencil really hold I have a few of those okay um so we're going to I'm just going to help you recall some stuff okay um how how long has Seth actually lived at that house how has he how long has he been renting from there not long um maybe two three weeks he just he was a home health aid in Chester um and it just wasn't working out so he's only been there for two or three weeks yeah he was um doing the Home Health a for like room and board but this guy is just a pain in the ass the guy he was working for and he's making things impossible like it was only supposed to be I guess um he's powerful legic man waking him up putting him to sleep and you know Lighthouse work light meals but he would text him like 12:30 at night m 25 in the morning to get him up and it just wasn't working out so how long his Bob went there I'm not sure I have no clue longer than Seth yeah how long has he been at a because he used to live next to you at right who Bobby his cousin I think does um he would stay there I guess every now and then like I would just see him kind of in passing walking where was Seth before the the uh street but that was the person you how about before that um I think Warwick with his friend uh Jennifer Jennifer like I know he's staying on Oak Street maybe a year or so and he that's when I met him at mobile when I was working at Mobile gas station why do you think he's gay I don't know if he's gay he just very feminine like got feminine tra very soft spoken very I don't know that's why I didn't does he does he crossdress at all does he give you any indication that no he like tries too hard like to talk about girls that with me but like the one time him and Mike did go alone before getting hated each other like like he's trying too hard like trying to talk about like girls and stuff he didn't want to go to detail but he said he's just trying too hard so that was the vibe he got and just I don't know everyone asked so so now I'm going to bring you this certain things okay and I want I want to tell you something right from the from the back okay something went down there okay the detectives are preparing to start asking harder questions they believe clemenza knows more than she is telling and you know who we have hold on hold on you know who we've talked to today okay I'm going to you know everybody that we've talked to all right you know that we've analyzed everyone's homeone okay this is your come to Jesus moment because in a few moments listen to me just just just listen to me cuz your daughter is important to you they so so we are at a we are at a crossroads right now because you don't have very much more time with John and I in this room okay so we're going to dispense with the whole you know story that you just gave me and we're going to go just just just listen we're going to get the truth deeper okay and we're going to get pretty deep and I'm going to tell you what okay this is your only shot okay to use me as your platform as a voice all right I'm not going to give it to you again I know the text messages you sent to your mother and I know that you witnessed it I did okay didn't with a lot but I did leave too I'm just telling I get I get scared I I did that but you noticed enough okay and the text messages that you sent your mom are make sure he doesn't they don't see he's not here just so you know not like the other two the other two are not here okay okay so just just so you know okay the other two are at a different station okay but I'm aware of what the other two are you know we we know based on your text messages and everything it's mostly Bobby like CU I heard Michael say Bobby stop and I was just screaming I was just scaming stop cuz I didn't like I just heard the bat but I don't know what he was doing and I just heard Michael screaming Help Me and Bobby please stop and like I know step is not a hter sth the only thing Seth told me was he went for the G and he saw this look in Mike's eyes that scared the [ __ ] out of him that he was going to shoot him CU he was trying to get the barrel towards St and all I heard was like M screaming and then started screaming and she knew that I was Michael and she was screaming daddy daddy daddy now that she realizes the detectives are looking at her as a suspect clemenza is quick to act as if she is afraid for her own safety while simultaneous iously blaming her friend so that's when I went outside and and it went down towards the driveway and then Bobby came down like I don't know if he thought like I was like running to go get help and he just follow like where you going I was like just looking for his grandpa's car and just get him out of here just try to get this all over with and he just like had this look his eyes he's like no like go he's like go look down the street you come right back so I did look I tooked to take my time and then when I got back they were gone but it was just I don't know where they went I hav't seen Michael since and I didn't want to reach out to his family so I don't know where he is I don't know where like he went s and um Bobby and what about the other guy that guy was at work he left for work and he was overate so we're going to go back okay and we're going to get this correct so that we have is correct okay yeah cuz no like everything the tapping and all that did happen but the only thing is I didn't walk outside right away list listen listen to me I'm going to bring you back to a text message where I know okay where I know that you saw what was actually happening what happened he shot at the door me and were walking into the living room we were downstairs there just three of us stop for a minute okay take a deep breath I want you to take a deep breath okay understand that I understand that you're afraid okay but I also understand that you witnessed yeah no this is let me let me sorry that you witnessed this thing happen yeah was at the bottom of the steps and it was just you saw but but I'm saying you saw it I like I heard it and I looked and I was just like I didn't want to see more CU I didn't know how far I was getting but yeah de here's your chance to get your story out and distance yourself yeah but that's not through lies no I'm not you can't do it through love of course all right so you got to understand something we know what Bob is saying we know what Seth saying we know what you texted family members we know based on what occurred with the friend we know all of it you heard oh this just so gruesome so what we're gonna do let's go back okay to the point cuz I listen I believe you through the whole I believe you're you know I believe it the from 9:30 all the way up until when you leave to go out there all right so we're going to start from 10:00 when you're going out towards for the first time yeah we were just hanging out you get did you go out at all for any errands no none at all thing try trying did you leave the house at all and that's for weed that's for anything myself I love by myself uh Mike did message me for what okay so Mike so we're going to go right from there you go with no no no you go to with SE Seth yes you're there yes you get a you get contacted by SE is also a user okay not a user okay so Mike contacts you yes and he says what to you basically like he needs help he was sick and he had a little bit of money okay so obviously Mike and Seth don't get along yes because Mike doesn't care for Seth yeah he thinks I don't know okay he thinks you're sleeping with in jail yeah absolutely when he was in jail when he was in jail he thinks that you had a relationship okay so he reaches out to you how does he reach out to you Facebook messenger Facebook Messenger using your computer that you lent him that or the phone that he's on Wi-Fi but one of the two options one of the two options and he messages you Facebook Messenger sick baby can you help me I don't feel good what time was that it was kind of quick from when I got there it was right cuz sa was about to make the um the bacon and it just had this rchy smell so we're about to cook eggs and then I he was texting me the whole time like and what you saying in those time you know I don't feel good are you coming home you know you stopped by your mom said you weren't there where are you I'm coming to you the whole where you were I said I was out with say I didn't want him to show up now that jealousy has been brought up as a possible motivation it explains partridge's actions much better than her earlier story okay what did he say to that well where are you okay duh like basically I'm lying so it's just like I'll be home I'll let you know and then he's like I really don't feel good like I will come to that house and see if you're there so it's like you know what go to shop you know where the house is he's come there before but it's he knows where Seth go yeah okay why would he come there before like could drop Seth off but I they just want him to know and pause for a second just just pause for a second because I don't want you to get sidetracked here I don't want the questioning to get out of control okay Seth has only been there for two weeks here by your own admission he's only live there been there before and I've given him R so again so he knows the house Mike knows the house because he's going there to pick up no he doesn't go there they don't like him basically I had him in the car one time when I was and I just didn't tell them why don't they like him his personality like they've tried and he's always accusing both of them of of sleeping together so it's like they tried to get along with Mike and Mike just always is going back to that so it's kind of like how can we you know I mean how can we hang out if you're always accusing her of trying to sleep with us and vice versa just too much that okay so you leave and keep in mind we have yeah I go to shop right I meet up with Michael give him that and then I go back to ask you give him what so you br from Bobby and Seth because I knew they wouldn't meet him okay so who did you from Bobby Bobby cuz Michael owes Bobby money how much money does Michael owe Bobby I think like 700 for past purchases yes okay so you tell you must have told Bobby that you're going to meet him cuz Bobby's at the house I lied I said oh somebody my friend Kelsey hit me up that's what I told so Bobby gave you he and he didn't know it was for Mike and then you took it out but Mike owes Bobby 700 bucks yeah does he owe him anything else okay has Mike told has Mike told him he was going to pay him has Bobby asked for it recently yeah and he basically like would ask him for more and he's like L you got to have the cash and I don't know he'd always dip till around it but still get it drug addicts you know manipulative M so they just care about getting the high exctly like if Bobby would when he would leave the house he would meet Mike on his own it's just he didn't want him brought to the house how much how much money did Mike have today well he told me at $50 when I got there had nothing so he had zero yeah cuz I knew he so what did you tell Bobby when you got back home I just said my friend drove off I said listen I hadn't seen this girl in a while she did I just you know tried the whole Academy Award winner role and he's like it's all right don't worry about it so I just played it off like you know like you got had yeah like and he didn't ask for the cash to cuz he already I told him not have any money so how much did you deliver to to Mike and it was for how much was supposed to be paid 50 and he gave you nothing and took grab them okay no I we talked for a little bit he told me talk about he told me he was going to detox tonight so we're kind of talking about that and he wants to change his life and like you know try to see his son more so we were just talking about that and you know like we got to stick to a job cuz when he got out of jail he was working with his dad and he was doing good and off the wagon hanging out with you know I guess you sa life so now you guys so now you guys get out there so you do that and what time was that at the operate roughly it was literally like a half hour after he picked me up that the questioning is uncovered the fact that Partridge owed hasell money the motivations are starting to pile up but clemenza still believes she won't be considered directly responsible it was Lally St picked me up we went to drop went to shop right went to the house he started to cook the bacon the bacon was bad and then I left within 10 minutes to go bring so you had to you talk to Bobby first before he left so Bobby well I know it's in the house yeah I talked to Bobby got that and then left and Bobby knew you were going to go give it but he just didn't know you were going to go give M know his M and Mike still owes him $700 correct now why would you have to lie toob he cut Mike off he's like listen I'm pay you the money so if he knew you were dealing with Michael he would say no so if he knew you were dealing with Michael and Michael chipped you he would that he'd be really pissed yeah all right so I just played him off it with somebody else again and not saying this is your fault okay at all because it's not all right I knew that if Mike didn't get it he was going to cuz he told me like if I don't get it I'm getting it basically I'll show to the house I'll rob steal whatever he's got to do to either get the money or get you know I mean get was he referring to stealing from Bobby yes so is it is it is there a chance Bobby knew you were going to deal with Mike to Seth or somebody no I really don't believe out what did you tell Seth you were doing I told him I was Meet the same person because he's so far up Bobby's ass like that's why I really haven't hung out with him lately cuz he's like kind of changed he's like so far up this guy's ass and sa yeah it's like sunshine does dude's ass okay so now so now you go make that how long are you in Cho Ray parking lot with with uh Mike talking for mebe like 5 10 minutes that fast and what did he tell you there he's telling me he's going to detox today his whole plan and uh you know he telling me there was a new I guess uh detox Middletown that's the one he was telling me he was going to and you know feeding me that dream okay so now he what car is he in when grandpa's car he's in Grandpa's car and that's at what time again that was like maybe an hour after like I left 10 15 minutes after I got there it's pretty quick so it takes about 10 minutes so I want to say like 40 minutes maybe like you text him on your way or so he knew you were coming I just told him be at sh in SES in the park L he said okay cuz once he left the house he wouldn't have Wi-Fi so there would be no way to communicate okay so he would have still had been at his house when he received that grandpa's house yes okay so now you go out there you leave him where does he go he told he was going home he said he only had grandpa's car he told me he was going to liquor store okay what liquor store does he go to the one at the end of my block Lord D liquor cuz they're cheaper okay that's what he he from usually goes there yeah they know him by face okay so now you where do you go when you leave him back by St back by stuff think do you leave again before going back before going back to the house of 4 no you don't leave again for any other errands no only when we came back for the diapers I never left Al again okay so the only other time is when you forget the diapers you go back there day okay so he takes you so you take the car the first time you come back you're there the rest of the day then you leave at 3 it was like almost 3:30 it was a little late cuz usually I get her at 3:30 but a little later okay all right with all these events is there anything else in that period that that you were not accurate with in terms of no like follow me on my block we got a loud altercation and the altercation was about what at that point because now at after now he's not feeling good again he's sick he needs more money he's trying to get money so he already went through that yes he does everything just second he gets it there's no rationing out how much okay so you said he had he gets he does right then and there it's crazy he whatever he gets okay so he's asking for more from you yes okay and this is in front of the daycare this was on my block when I in front of the house yeah and I'm just like leave me the [ __ ] alone like I need a break you know CU clemenza isn't going to deny that she had an altercation with Partridge she knows that there were most likely Witnesses and her best bet is to stick to the truth as much as possible I had no money I'm like I don't even have any money like leave me alone dude like he just doesn't stop okay it's just so so you walk in does Mom know that you give him that you give does Mom know that you that that Bobby or Seth mom I mean she knows Seth uses cuz she's found like his blood on the floor the idiot when he used to come and hang out at my house that's why he doesn't really hang out at my house anymore okay is he still using now yes okay so now you go back out there you go you get the diapers you come back from CVS that's about what time we got there that was around 5:30 I want to say cuz then I got the food I put it in the microwave made it for me uh feeding a little bite she was also having some fresh fruit um throwing it on the floor making her pick it up and then we're just kind of hanging out in the house and then that's when I heard the tapping and I looked and like I thought I saw someone but I just saw my M playing tricks on me cuz I I didn't think mik would go there I didn't think cuz he would like if he was driving he would drive in Chester he really wouldn't venture out cuz he didn't want got pulled over so I but like when I saw that handle bottle I knew he was doing something stupid today okay and there's no talking to him when he's drinking so now we're to the part where you're at the house with st and Bobby's there and the other gentleman yeah now this is where you need to be very descriptive it's going to be hard for you because I know you saw it okay because you don't text message your mother you saw heard listen you don't text message your mother that you saw blood squirting from him that he's got broken bones and that hold on that he's got broken bones that you saw blood squiring that he got his ass kicked that he got a beating Bobby's no spring chicken sound familiar Bob's no spring chicken he broke his ankles this is stuff that you physically saw happen I was downstairs watching and I like I couldn't go you saw yeah I was downstairs and Bella was screaming and I was just like so fixated just trying I was screaming like for Bobby to stop and he was just what was he he had a bat like SE ran upstairs b or SE upstairs Mike ran upstairs Bobby was already upstairs mhm and like I heard the shuffling I was like back and forth between watching and and then like I just heard him and like I saw him hitting like he had his hood on and he was hitting where the hood was and like then I just saw like I don't know if he split blood out or like I just saw the blood from his face from from Mike's face and like Mike I saw like trying to get punches in but like then came around the corner cuz it's like steps and then where the fight was so I just kind of swooped her up like so she couldn't see anything go back stop which part okay then do this again all right can you go get the text message uh they'll be able to print the the text messages out from Mom's phone can you just get me those so I can forbade them read them yeah I want you to I well I I know you know exactly what you told him but I was at the bottom and it's not even that's not even here here here's the thing okay we've talked to up we're talking to that we're talking about it I didn't walk up those steps I was too scared like I the way that tell me tell me tell me okay so Bobby's up there she's got a baseball bat yes what's he wearing this is such a dramatic thing that you should be able to call I don't even know what he was wearing it was more fixated on Mike like I just wanted to mik had a hoodie on yeah he had his jacket with the hood and I was just trying to scream like stop so that he would just like let like go what did Bobby say to you shut the [ __ ] up and then crying he's like shut up so I was just like okay who was holding who was holding she was downstairs with me I was the only one downstairs who was upstairs who was holding I was pushing her like this I don't want her to S who was holding um Michael the guy that was sleeping came out and he was sitting holding him and Bobby was just I don't know where I did not see Seth all I saw is the black guy Mike and Bobby like I know Seth told me that he struggled with Mike for the gun and he was trying to like put the barrel at Seth um but I did hear Bobby say Seth help me but I think Seth went his room cuz he he's not like that like he doesn't come from that mhm so he's scared like he was literally he's been sitting in his room just like pacing like this and just very like you can tell whatever what he saw from that angle was really grome as well so and I it out yet okay they're going to do that yeah connect I just heard him punching and and watched him like punching when you say you heard him who him okay so again I want that black guys holding like down as how is he holding him down cuz like the way I see it it's like a rickety like you look up and you walk up these steps and then there's like a little space to walk by and like he kind of had them like if Mike's the chair how's he holding that those are Mike's shoulders right there how's he holding them he was true this and he's kind of holding him and Bobby's standing over here to P that's the back of his yeah so the so the other guy is holding him like a bear hug this way and Mike is facing the other guy and then like after are they sitting on the ground or they standing sitting on the ground and after like a few hits like went like down was laying down so then the guy was kind of just like on top of like his shoulders so face up or face down he was face down cuz I heard a Bobby stop and like trying to do like the kick you not the kick but whenever they position where's the gun the J on in Seth's bedroom so the gun's no longer in Mike's possession no Seth got it out and Seth said he did try to like feel if he had anything else on him any further like Firearms or knives or later on he told that's Whately told me that later on yes back we're going to just we're going to keep backing up because we're we're we're jumping ahead of where we are okay it seemed like forever I know that's why I want my you again our purpose here today is for us to help you recall but you got to honest with you you see and and here's the thing okay this is like so much I know it's hard okay know what I'm saying remember remember where we started Bobby is not Bobby is not he up there his own problems Bob's Bobby's this is for you to to get away you have to think about your you have to think about no I know but like he he's very scary and I just didn't know what I said so here's the deal all right look at your first the way you first went through remember that was the this is a blue pen we're at this is now blue pen with a pile of G2 right okay so now we want we want to get to that Honesty cuz this is how you distance yourself and this is the honesty okay I kept hitting up the bat and then like I just heard stomping and I was trying not to watch but and then like I just heard Mike say puppy stop puppy stop stop where was Bobby hitting him he was between the back of the head the ribs he was hitting him every and anywhere with a baseball bat yes what was it a baseball battle battle every time the detective questions her more aggressively clemenza falls back on fake tears it was a metal baseball B did it say anything on it um it was black and I want to say it had neon green writing neon green like I remember the like highlighter color so it's a black metal baseball bat with neon green I want to say a Lou Lou Louisville I think so what it sound like it was just like a like a like almost like a like when yeah like when you have water in your ear like that vibration sound like that's what sound like off his head and so they're at the top of the stairs and you have a clear side of this it's like I could see I can't see Bobby but I could see like as the back goes down like I could see Michael and I can see this big black dude so how do you know it was in SE doing it I heard Bobby stop Bob stop and Seth doesn't have that strength like Seth where is Seth Seth told is in his room and I hear Bobby like yo Seth [ __ ] help me [ __ ] help me like wow you're showing me a lot tonight you're showing me a lot tonight so my to my knowledge Seth is in his room scared and that's why Bobby saw why would Seth tell us that he was holding he was holding when he was downstairs and when this fight was when this fight was happening yeah they were fighting upstairs and then I don't know what Seth is downstairs no Seth is upstairs and then I don't know what clicked and Bobby to stop cuz I he said I'm going to kill him and I'm like Bobby please stop and then I heard Seth talking on him and saying like it's not worth it man it's not worth it like don't kill him CU I text it f I deleted it and I'm like please don't let him kill him you're up there with him please don't let him kill him you text that to and you deleted it I deleted it cuz I just didn't want and recollection of that so then I'm glad you said that CU cuz that's something that's going to pop up and then because they do anal they tie him up so they were I don't know who was tying them up because by then like I had screaming so I pause for a second who said time up because you know Bobby's Bobby said time up who was he talking to he talking to Seth so did because the other black dude was holding M that guy wasn't going asere okay so Seth help so Seth tie Seth helped him tie him up did you see you I saw him tiing his arms and you saw who SE so you saw St looked at me he's like getting him outside like he was look at like what' he TI him up with he cut him from the vacuums he like he doesn't know what he's doing he's not a criminal he cut from the you cut the um the you know you plug into the wall to the vacuum the quartz like like that yeah what color was it black it was like a a dark gray almost black so we cut the vacuum stand up real quick like like cords like this too like this yeah but they were a dark show me I'm going I'm going to come over to you okay and I want you to show me how you saw now don't imagine okay we only walk I know where you were listen I know where you were in the house I W up a few steps but I kept coming back down how far up the steps were you honestly no it's literally like if you're four steps like your head is at you're already seen it so keep in mind I know that you can see everything at this point so what I need you to do is be honest we be beond anything else right this is now for you okay so I'm going to I'm going to push this in just to give us some room so I don't trip cuz I'm a pretty large guy all right I want I'm just you just position me the way you saw right don't Mike was lifeless he was just laying there just making noises what noises was he Mak was he face down or face down face down okay so he's face down you see my face holding him down now the dude that you're talking about is who this Tim is his name Tim this big black guy Tim is the guy who's holding down okay so how is Tim do it right here this is this is my kind of standing over cuz Mike's here's Mike's head he's holding his shoulders down Mike's barely like moving his you're Tim and Tim is right here he just holding with his two hands he's kind of like Crouch okay tell me where Bobby is while Tim is there if John is Bobby Bobby's out like Mike's legs he so here's Mike's legs yeah they're tying up his legs at this point who's that Seth and Bob you're like I don't know how the [ __ ] they did it it look clemenza demonstrates what happened to Partridge carefully omitting her own actions it's like a [ __ ] did it it was just like kind of like his whole life where is SE so if you're Tim and that's John is Bobby I'm going to be SE SE and that's how it is yeah and they're just like it kind of looked like a mermaid in the end like you kind of look like his two legs were together so hold so hold we'll get to that so now you see you're you're physically see Tim holding him down yeah you see John right is there's Bobby he's got he's got they both got cords they had like two or three different cords from the vum that's set and I'm set yeah so now show me how with my hands in my feet how I how I was wrapped up just you were just standing they were both just standing Mike was not really so now he's face down yeah they tie his hands in front or behind his hands are like This and like his feet like he was still trying to like get out like kick his feet out like he's still trying so how did they tie his feet they were like Bobby was holding it and then she was just trying to do it quick to get him out and then they put my hand I'm going to be so put my hands where you want where where my it was like this but M kept moving like he kept like jerking them and jerking them and jerk and and I looked at like I couldn't even all I saw was blood when I saw Mike and I'm like like will just stop and it'll be over did he did he talk did he say anything he just come over that's like all I heard out of him how many how many time so you so now you're on the thing before they tie him up they tie him up with the you said they cut the vacuum cord did they time up with anything else all I saw is the vacuum cords like I was in and out but I just saw the vacuum cord you didn't see anything and then after that I saw a duct tape what color was the duct tape gray gray and a sheet I believe bobay it was just a normal uh gray okay and then you said a a sheet she Bobby came was like a piece of sheet okay so after like that happened upstairs yeah Bobby I hear Seth like just bring them outside bring him outside mhm and Bobby like grabbed him by the rope and rode him down the steps and then threw him outside like it was a piece of trash and then by himself yeah like that's why I was afraid because came down help him didn't help him no he just had like this rage like you could tell he was disappointed cuz he wanted to kill him but like that's so hold on for a second by the strings and like threw him how how do you know he was how do you know that when you say you know he he said he want I want to if it was up to me I'd [ __ ] kill you that's what he told him it's up to me I'd [ __ ] kill you he had to have a y though like Seth was in his ear and he's said you're lucky [ __ ] Seth is talking s me you're lucky have kids crying downstairs for you so but why did why he said if weren't there Mike was going to be dead he had to have mentioned the money part of it as well no he didn't say he said if you and weren't here he was going to die tonight but why we were screaming at top no no no why why would he don't why why such anger towards him I don't I mean I know because of the money but like I didn't I didn't think it was like that over $700 I don't how do you know it was just $700 well that's what I was told by both both of them so by both parties Mike and so unless there was other deals that they didn't tell me about but to my knowledge it was $700 so you said he throws them out like a like a piece of trash like a piece of trash where at right outside the door that m shut up now when you see when you when we're looking at the house it's that side door that you put an arrow to right so he throws them out of the steps there outs one step and there was this pile was like right where his face was there was just like killed the hair cuz dark red blood it's outside down and then he just threw him again cuz M kept like moving like a little worm like trying to get out like I guess he was trying to get out even outside yeah trying to get out so I peed myself I was so scared I peed myself where is where is the clothing that you had I'm wearing it like I had underwears in my bag but I was just like so nervous and like so that that's the clothing that you peed yourself in as well my I took the underwear off I have like these box things on they're in the house my back it was just like if you had a guess about how many times Bobby hit them with the bat it had to be at least 30 like it just kept going after he's tied up oh just one second John so he hits him more than 30 times as a baseball back he also and he was kicking him and he was punching him mixture of like all of that and how old did that go on for it was only I mean it I think maybe 20 minutes it seemed like [ __ ] a lifetime for 20 minutes he he he he like between 20 and 30 minutes then he just kept be and then like he would stop and he would yell at him and then like what was he saying when he's yelling at him he was just like I want to [ __ ] kill you like and then like I hear Seth like Seth is very soft spoken but I hear him like it's not worth it it's not worth it stop stop stop what else was he saying and I'm screaming stop I'm screaming like I was screaming at the top of my lungs like he's not yelling at cuz he told me to shut the [ __ ] up and like he came like and he had the bat like this and he was going to come downstairs and hit me and I just looked him he's like shut the [ __ ] up and go inside so I just like went and sat down cuz I I feared like he was going to come down and hit me so but what I'm saying is as he's taking these breaks and he's yelling at and he's in it and he's yelling at Mike and Mike's trying to move he's got to be mentioning that money no no I'm saying is he yelling at him about anything else besides about the money all he kept saying was I want to [ __ ] kill you I want to [ __ ] kill you and no reason for it he was he was like very just angry and he's like oh and every time he was like oh he would just hit him again clemenza is trying to place all of the blame on hasell hasell is being questioned as well and it's certain that his version is going to show that clemenza was more than a bystander and then like but that's what I'm saying there's got to be he didn't mention about the money he was just like you he mention was just it's such a rage like that he broken you know his home and to his knowledge he didn't know that Mike knew where he lived let's let's talk about that you had said that you had brought Mike to that house before but they didn't know but they didn't know yeah I dropped them off down the block okay so you are so to them it's a surprise that M that Mike shows up okay so this this he's trying to figure out like did my follow like me and Seth home after the daycare incident did I tell him so he was just trying to but was and we'll get to it after the fact but now you're on the stairs you see you see Bobby kicking him is Bobby wearing shoes no cuz as uh I saw a slipper fall down the like in between like the stairwell mhm I saw one slipper that's Bobby slipper yeah okay the like these times slide so mik shoes were kicked off okay so Mike didn't have shoes on cuz there was one sneaker downstairs I don't and he had socks on when they had him outside he he did have socks on what color he had black socks on okay so now you see the kicking you see the punching you see um now Bobby Bobby starts to tie up but Seth goes and and Bobby says to Seth go tie him up yeah basically like go do it hurry up if you want he's like hurry up if you want him out of the house that's what that's what he said and then he wanted he told me go find the [ __ ] grandpa's car and get him so we can get him out of here so where was the grandpa's car I didn't find it I walked down the block and then as I'm walking back Bobby's walking so I I saw someone a flashlight and then when I heard him talking he's like where's the car and I'm like I walked up and down this block I didn't see it so he had to park on another block and what did they say he was just like well whatever so then we went back to the house and he thr in the back seat of that car of what car the silver car okay and they left and they left he was all tied up at the time yeah and then like he cuz the baby seat was in it so he took that out I took that out so let's let's let's retract again again I don't want to get yeah so he says Bobby says to Seth he had to put him in the car though tie him up yes right so they go okay meaning Seth and Bobby who cuts the cord off of the vacuum Seth said he did later cuz he said him was yelling at him about cutting all the cords off that's the only way that I do SE so they cut so so Seth cut the cords off comes back over and WP starts to wrap Mike's hand behind his back and his feet together like that's all I saw it's like string around know okay then you're saying at that point are they still beating and kicking him while he tied up then they were like um Kim had him in the front and Bobby had him in the back and they walked down the steps holding him by like the Rope the cord and that's after they time with duck taking sheet well no that was outside okay okay so they throw him out I'm sorry so they throw him outside and then he's just laying there and then he's like you know moving around trying to get out trying to get out so I walked up to him I told Seth to hold that's when Seth's holding I'm like go inside I don't want her to [ __ ] see this and I said to him like Michael just stop and they will stop please and he just didn't listen he just kept trying to move and trying to move and I'm like mik please just stop and he over he like I couldn't even like see his face like I just couldn't better look but when I did look all I saw was like blood here I just turned my face Away really quick and he was face down and then they grabbed him and then they brought him by the car but I guess I think he got out of his arms cuz I saw like one arm in front of him like that as um SE Bobby were trying to like put you know get both arms together but Mike just kept moving his hand and moving his hand so that's when Bobby came and ripped a piece off with the sheet where did he ripped the sheet off of he went in the house and then he came storming out do you know where he went in the house to get I don't know honestly I was outside okay I didn't know where he grabbed the sheet from okay and then screaming I had in my hands I just wanted to find the car so I'm just like trying to figure out like where else to go so what they D tap him and tie the sheet on outside while he's face face down near it still hasn't occurred to clemenza that removing herself from The Assault does not make her innocent at best she would be considered an accessory at some point one of the detectives will point out that she should have called the police once she realized that her friends were going to resort to violence your the car correct okay and they tell you go find the car so we can get them out of here yeah they wanted to put him in his grandpa's car but then they we never found it like I never found it and then I couldn't breath so I started coming back and then Bobby never found it so they took him in the Toyota or yes my car who took him in the Toyota sth and Bobby and where did they take him I I told him taking it to his Grandpa's and he said I'm not going that [ __ ] far but Seth told me Bobby did but Seth told me he got him by his grandpa's house Seth told you that so Seth and Bobby go where's Tim go Tim went to work Tim got ready and went to work where he put him in the car yeah you said Tim was the only one to put him in the car no Tim and Bobby put him in the car and then he like they had him where his face was think so if I'm sitting in the driver's seat his face is towards this side and they like had his legs in the air but then he like he just kept trying to get away and he kept like put his legs like like that like straighten them out so that I don't know if he couldn't shut the door so then um they tied him they kept tying him to do it and then they left okay and Seth so so I'm correct Tim and Bobby throw him outside yes he wiggles out yeah he well who carries him down to the car first down the stops was Tim and Bobby and then to the car yeah and then Tim got him in the car and tried to like I guess tie his legs like in the air so he would sit in the car so while he's at the the stairs who duct tapes him and and duct taped and Bobby did the Sheep okay so tying upstairs Seth and Bobby tying downstairs Seth and Bobby carrying downstairs from upstairs Tim and Bobby carrying from stairs to car was Bobby Bob Tim Bob and then Tim Yeah Tim puts him in the car yeah I think Bobby was going to get the keys at this point cuz I heard him screening at Seth because each other thought they the keys so what say I gave you the [ __ ] keys s stop being a [ __ ] idiot but then I guess in the end Bobby did have the keys okay so then he's in the car now and who's tying him that way he was in the car and Bobby sat in the back with him and Sh his driving like on him yeah he was like sitting on his leg so did you take out the car seat yeah sh took out the car seat while Tim had him down and then freaking so so so Tim had him down where in the back seat of the car like he was just kind of like like holding him at this point cuz he didn't really have to you know he was trying to like for some reason he was trying to tie his leg like in the air I don't know if so he fit in the car better but so when so when Seth comes so so now you tell him to take him to his grandpa's house and what do he say to you [ __ ] you I'm not going that far that's Bobby yeah what's Seth say Seth just told me to shut up and go inside he's like don't worry I'll work it out okay so now he you know how upset I was so he he says [ __ ] you I'm not going that far now they go with your car and him Bobby bought the car but he just needed someone's name to put it and basically he told me that he bought the car because he knew I needed a car my car was a piece of [ __ ] it died um the first the brakes went and then everything started going so the agreement was he was going to put the money on and I was going to pay him back for it but then you know he started wanting it for this wanting it for that so then I just said you know what take your [ __ ] car like I didn't even want to be involved so now when they get back you're there yes and what time did they get back roughly I had to be like half hour 40 minutes I'm trying to get the like calm down and go to sleep I wanted to go home and they got back but uh they said the car was not leaving for the rest of the night okay do you have um I guess we'll probably check but do you have that the to to to time stamp it sort of do you have any texts that you sent to anyone right then from them no I didn't he took my phone Bobby that's another thing when he came down he said cuz I was going that's when I was texting my mom and he said give me your [ __ ] phone cuz he didn't know if I was calling the police or not did he text it or not no they didn't have the code what was the what was like but he gave you the phone back yeah later on like he charged it and then gave it back to me but I made St checks my mom tell her I was okay because I know how she is and she worries and what did you tell him to say to your mom I said tell him text my mom my phone's dead everyone's okay I'll text her on his charged I didn't know he was charging my phone at this point I thought it was dead I I don't know I'm going to say this okay and then I'm going to he slapped me who did Bobby Bobby slapped you where cross my face and I spun around and I started crying because right there and that's when he told her to shut up clemenza digs herself deeper with this story not only will hascal deny this but the others involved aren't going to let her get away with portraying herself as a victim okay that's when I knew that he was cap looking at anything what time was this this was right after they tied m g upstairs they were looking I guess cuz he kept wriggling out so they were looking for something stronger and then they couldn't find anything Seth cut all the cords off all the vacuums so I guess they just kept tying harder what happened to the shotgun that it was in there it's in Seth closet cuz Seth wrestled it with Mike and then put it in his room it's kind of for somebody some it was the the casing was like jamed in the gun F hear me hear me out on this it said it's wrapped in a green uh sheet right now in his closet okay so who's done is it I think I hit my grandpa's okay so couple couple things that I want to address all right first and foremost okay part of being honest and going all you know all in with this okay you can't go a little bit right you can't honesty is All or Nothing right so you can't tell 80% of the truth and leave out the part where you're you might it may look make you look it because then it makes the other 80% not the truth you follow what I'm saying he made me drive that car yeah and he made me fell asleep in what car were you driving a silver car who was driving his car nobody's like we never found they never found it they never found his car no okay he said the morning he was going to go look so you drove the car yeah he told me get in the [ __ ] driver's seat now who told you that Bobby and who else was in the car s was the passenger and Bobby was in the back seat so there's no need for him to take your phone away no he did take my phone take your phone away he I was going to call the cops he didn't know what I was going to do he came downstairs saw me on my phone he's like what are you doing I'm like I'm just texting my mom and then he's like give me that and then he slapped me across the face and I like started peeing myself I got so scared so he told you to get in the car on your lap yeah you drive where's Seth he's the passenger and where is he he's sitting on Mike in the back okay he's sitting on top of Mike in the back yeah H him and where do you go I was going towards his grandpa's house and then there was UPS truck so he made me make a right and then go on this little side block okay so down like a piece of trash okay so I want I want you to tell me the exact path from the house we went we're going to go I'm going to go get that M yeah we're going to get a map and you're going to you're going to write it okay is going to find this out blood listen to me okay I feel like you'll killed me I'm telling you right now okay you have one shot at telling everything okay because here's the thing okay something went wrong tonight okay so it's either you either tell the truth or you become part of the problem right and you're and you're doing fine and you got to hang in there okay but my job as an investigator is to get you to record every detail not just it's very I know you're to kill me my chance where is where is the clothing that you peed yourself I the I'm wearing the boxers but the underwear and the pants are at the house all right what happen Okay can I grab my stuff from there my daughters well we're going to we're that's the next that's the next question I got to ask a higher I don't want them to come with me no I would have to ask a I would have to ask a higher person to if we could do that hurt me listen to me I never thought he was hit me I mean I don't know him all that well but he told me how long has he lived with uh how long did he live withar like un cuz Jared has some girl living there so it's I lived there before my accient it's literally a living room and a bedroom so it's not much spacious and he was on Parole and I guess that was the address he used but now that he's not on parole he stays the word go cuz he has a whole room to himself let me see this question why did he come to the court check today I don't know cuz I was going with us and he's like I'll come with you I think he want did he know you were coming did did did he know you were coming to talk to us yeah how did he know cuz he heard me on the phone talking to my mom and what did he say to you he just said you're not going alone you're not going alone it's like okay so Seth was already coming with me and he wanted to come too I don't know clemenza is set on making hasell out to be the villain it is natural she would avoid implicating Pang since they are romantically involved but she has also avoided going into much detail about Smith in the car over be honest honestly he's like what is this about what is this about and like I guess he didn't know like what my mom said he thought it was about the fight that me and my cat on the Block like yell like he didn't know the depth of what it was about cuz cuz when um I went in quick check he um like I saw him getting out of the car and he like looked at me and he mou where are we going I was just like I had no idea that I thought we were all going here that's why you went in the quick tck to give distance yourself from him yeah that's why he was hoping to talk in there cuz I don't want to talk like him that you have to come to the car and like have to talk in front of them so I already knew what about tonight my told me John's going to show us something the the map but you go out you go down the driveway you go right driveway and make go left cuz right is towards mid Road and make go left towards the back road and then after that I think go right and then it leads to ter Wells oh Sarah Wells Sarah Wells Trail no all right so again everything sorry why we tissues so so let's um what am I looking at this is a larger map right here all right on this map here's 17m this is Hudson Cher okay and this is Hudson right here and this is where um that's the end of the house yeah Michael keep this way Michael Liv all right here this is hson street is Hudson Street this is North Hudson got this is maple coming in from would be like Main Street or4 so so we're going so what we're going to do is we're going to go you come down the driveway you take a left cuz you don't go towards the main roadway make a left you go down yes go to the end of the block make a right y That's ter Well's Trail and it would lead you when you're going you could go left towards um I don't know the name back road it leads to Noel Road thank you okay terwell Trail leads to Noel Road and a road in between which is that road that I'm turning on cuz if you it's like if you bear this way you lead towards the government building okay I made the left okay and went towards this back road I forget the name of it and where did you at and then at the stop sign went to the end went to the stop sign made a left now the way there's two ways you could go you could go I went straight all the way to Johnson Road which leads you into Chester on the back end or you can make sorry where you can make um earlier right I missed that turn I was nervous and then Bobby was yelling at me drive faster drive faster I told him I got my kid on my lap he said I don't give a [ __ ] drive faster so I just floored it and was driving and I told Seth cuz I always get mixed up where the road is cuz it comes up on you really quick told test to tell me where johnon Road is and then I made the right on Johnson Road and I don't know who made yet and then um that lead you right on that main on 94 coming into Chester is that M this is Main Street Main Street would be 94 right no yes but it's 94 is a really long road now yeah it's coming into El til so we're coming here we going me Y and then we're going going going going where I was going to his grandpa's house but there was a UPS truck right here just put ups there yeah so then he told me to make a right so I made it right and then Seth told me go to North Hutson because it was a smaller block so then I turned here and then right here right about here he told me to stop the car and cut the light so I stopped the car Bobby and then he threw Seth out threw Mike out and then a car pulled up behind us what car pulled up on I don't even it was just like a regular car with lights on like uh you know just a normal kind of car I didn't even know what kind cuz um chth got in the car Bobby got in the car and yelled to just [ __ ] drive Bob so when you pull up they get out yeah they got out to take M out of the car and put him like on the side of the road now you you said he threw him out though before you said yeah he threw him out on the side of the RO who threw him out on the side of the Bobby cuz Bobby was sitting on this side he came around like to the to the passenger side yeah like this is the car mhm I'm driving with my child on a lap this is Seth MH and then back here was just my clay down and then Bobby was right here like on top of him so then bobby gets on top of his legs yeah and then bobby gets out of this door comes around grabs him s is out here just kind of not knowing what to do but Bobby was screaming at him so he was just kind of like panicky like I really seen a lot of you tonight like you couldn't even [ __ ] drive this one's driving like an [ __ ] cuz I was nervous and then so Bobby just kind of like grabbed but I didn't even look cuz I had sleeping so I didn't want her to wake up and I don't want her to see any of this so I just let her she was resting right here and like I was trying to look but I didn't want to get like yelled at or hit again so I just heard heard him kind of like hoist my out get in the car and he said go go so then we went down here and took the same route back okay and I said are can I go home and he's like you're not going home and then you and then we went back to did you stay in Seth's room yes he stay in his room the whole time after so you guys had to been talking about this yeah I mean Seth Liv very very he has a chair with no back and he was just kind of sitting like this like he's like I Michael came to kill me tonight and he just kept saying it and like he was just really visibly upset obviously but he really wouldn't talk anymore and then Bobby just kept coming in to like see what we're talking like you still talk about it he was on the phone and like laughing and what was he laughing about he was like this [ __ ] came up in my [ __ ] house he's like you know what I'm not even mad about it and then like he just [ __ ] up a lot of [ __ ] and just kept like pacing around the house like I'm not getting no [ __ ] sleep tonight and what do you mean by that I don't know if he thought Mike was coming back or he was just like whoever he was on the phone with was pissed at him and told cuz I Seth looked at me and was like she said the guy just told him to bring back so I guess whoever thought like he couldn't hold or something cuz I didn't I only heard Bobby laughing and like I got you laughing about though like it was like a nervous laugh like he was is like talking about what happened not in detail like you know like a short version and he's like and what was that version he was just like this [ __ ] came up in my [ __ ] house with a gun and like I I almost kill him I should have just [ __ ] finished him off and then like laughing about it and then he was like just kept like on the phone just saying like the same story to like I don't know if it's the same person or if it was different people and he was just pacing around and then he came in and he's like you better not [ __ ] tell anybody cuz I tell him like I'm not built for this like I'm not no hardened criminal like I'm Nott I told him I'm like I'm not I'm like Bobby like he's like well if you say something you won't have to worry about being a criminal like basically he was going to kill me so I was just like okay like I don't say anything why do you think Bobby didn't stop with when he was hitting them all for 30 minutes straight even I don't really know like he just had this like Rush of anger and then like he came down and um he saw me on my phone and he pushed me and slapped me and then grabbed my phone he's like you don't need this right now so he cuz he's like I don't know who the [ __ ] you're going to call did he go back upstairs yes when he went back upstairs did he continue to punch in K so he comes down he he punches he hits he he has the baseball bat does his thing he comes down pushes didn't hear me for a little bit and he's like what the like cuz I was screaming like he heard me crying but like he didn't see us when he looked down so he was kind of like yo what does this [ __ ] do cuz he's like where's this stupid [ __ ] and I was just like oh my God so I was texting my mom and like I was I was like trying to get her to get me ride the [ __ ] out of there and when I was walking on the Block I just wanted to leave but was with Seth and I was just like I just didn't know what to do so you left without he told me to go look for the car and Fe took and went stayed in the living room with her while they were upstairs so now he goes back upstairs does he use the bat again on him he just kept going between the bat his hands and the feet but after he talks to you he goes back upstairs and continues Mike's still laying lifeless on the yeah he's like when he when he came down Mike was how up there he was just sitting with his face down all he lay laying all I saw was like just his body laying was he moving he was trying to get like you know trying to like maneuver but like fighting him or was he he was just like protect himself yeah he was trying to protect himself cuz by then he had no fight yeah he had no shot what do you mean no shot like you know he h vers this big black dude with a bat and like Partridge never stood a chance against four other people his energy would have depleted rapidly under the force of those blows and any movement would have been a token defensive reflex just fading over him like so at first it starts off him asking Bobby to stop please stop Bobby stop Bobby stop when he's asking Bobby to stop does Mike have the gun at that point no this was after uh Seth Russell out his hand and that he's on the floor did Mike did uh did Bobby hit him prior to him having the the the dun no they ran upstairs and they're like Seth mik Bobby was already upstairs coming down because he told us later on that he saw a bot like someone walking up and that he was going to come down but like my shot and then ran upstairs so it was all like so [ __ ] fast so let me let me just again so that we're clear yes so Seth Run's up the stairs Mike is chasing him with the gun but Bobby's already upstairs looking out but Seth has the Seth takes the gun away from Bobby before M me yeah I'm sorry Seth talk takes the gun away from Mike before Bobby get involved I didn't see like the exact specifics but I know cuz I'm going by what Seth told me afterwards cuz I wasn't at that point it was more I couldn't see where that was okay I just Seth told me that Mike was trying to get in either bedroom and had a gun facing both ways but then Bobby said that the guy Tim came out of his bedroom and kind of like got M off guard behind him because he didn't know he was there who took the gun from him Seth okay so now Seth has the gun and then Bob put it in his Ved his vedro now now he doesn't have the gun and he's being held by Tim at that point yes right what's Seth doing while Tim's holding him then like it I don't know if Mike want to like run down the stairs but that's when it moved over to that platform to where I could see correct to where you could see yes when you see that I see what is Seth doing I don't see Seth like I see Mike I see Bobby and I see Kim holding Mike I can't all I hear is Bobby Ying at Seth that he's surprising tonight and he's not like a man basically and he's being a little [ __ ] so as Mike as Mike is being held by Tim and he's trying to is he trying to go for down the stairs get away Tim is a big black D no but I mean it's he's not headed back into the house he's headed towards the stairs or where is he headed towards cuz you said the platform is by the stairs it's upstairs it's literally like right to by the top of the stairs yeah it's right at the top and then there's like a wooden there's you know like um wooden so that's that's what I'm saying not to do your picture but here here's the platform correct stair here's the stairs for okay these are the stairs this is like uh wooden spokes like the railing railing but the bedrooms are over here no when you go up I think Tim's bedroom's here Charlie's here this is the bathroom and then Seth and Bobby is up here okay you got to walk up so he comes up yeah Mike Seth runs up Mike runs up behind him Bobby's in his room looking out his window he sees one coming up so he's got to he said he was getting ready to come down but he heard the H the you know commotion and I heard him yell timy okay you heard Bobby y Yeah Tim Tim but then he said like when he was talking I heard like him and Seth like going over it afterwards he said basically Mike didn't see Tim over here come out of his bedroom so that's what threw him off guard he basically ran around sethan in his room scared and he said like basically B's walking out and Mike's walking this way and they're meeting and Seth still in his room and like he had the gun pointed what ever first and then Tim monkey moved to grab it from behind so that's when Seth said he saw the opportunity to grab the gun out of Mike's hand and he did yeah because they were basically like figh how does it move over here after that like Mike kind of like LED I heard him say Bobby stop and he like lunged and that's when Bobby must have like kicked him from the back but he just fell down and then that's when Tim like just held him down okay so he so so Mike was going back towards the stairs yeah to try I don't know if he was obviously was trying to get out he was trying to get out he realized he's cuted way too deep so he didn't have a gun at that point no and then Bobby starts hitting with the bat kicking him punching him some point 20 minutes later he breaks from that and he comes downstairs and he has an altercation with you right it was like in between that 20 minutes was after yeah it was like he comes down scream and stop he's telling me Shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up and then comes downstairs like maybe 10 15 minutes into it comes downstairs I'm sitting on the little there's a like a Chase lounge chair like I'm sitting there I got to sit there and I'm trying to give her a bottle but she's crying so she's scared so he comes and then he just first he wanted the phone and then he slapped me I'm like listen I'm peeing my ta he's like I don't give a [ __ ] the detectives have clemenza repeat her story several times but her details only change if she is confronted on a particular point and then he's like shut up [ __ ] and then SLA across the face again and I like spun and I just saw face like sheer Terror and like she gave him this look like get away from me you dirty exuse my language [ __ ] she just had this look like get away from my mother okay so so now he comes downstair so he comes downstairs he's downstairs for that yeah what are so K just holding holding what's Seth doing I didn't see Seth like I lit not yeah and I walked around the corner cuz like I kind of like followed Bobby slowly at what point do you go up the stairs though the first time of leading happening okay so you see it the first time yeah and then I went down and that's what he's like cuz I kept screaming like Bobby please don't do this and I'm like stop stop he's like shut the [ __ ] up [ __ ] and he points to like bat like that at me like wanted to come and hit me so I just he's like go inside so I just ran inside and gave so now he gets done having the altercation with you he comes back upstairs and goes back to beating him with the baseball back and I stayed on the couch as he said stay in this room did Mike go get the gun in that meantime Mike was not getting up he was Defensive at that point yeah he just kind of like like he was trying to like Crouch like get in that fetal position was holding him let me ask you when he comes back up the second time how many times did he hit him it wasn't much more it was like maybe 10 more times and then they start the whole wrapping up procedure okay and that's Seth and Tim and yeah okay what I'm going to have you do is I'm going to have you just write your name here and date it okay just because I don't want anybody to alter it and I'm going to give you a break because I know this is a lot it's 8:22 to my daughter it's 8:22 8:22 sorry 8:22 a.m. and put down the 18th 12 18 19 here yeah it is 129 okay and then same thing with here put you can put wherever yeah it doesn't matter I just don't want anybody to alter your thing and I just have to file these real quick and then uh I'll be right back down okay you got to use the bathroom no I just want to go I know just be patient with us okay I'm uh do you need a bathroom break or anything I want I'm stepping out right now to give you a couple moments to gather yourself cuz I know this is this is it's a lot Okay so so I I want you and I know this process is is very draining because it's a recall of information that you don't want to recall okay all you can do is be honest all right let me uh let me St out I'll be right back okay yeah you're hot you're cold you're well this what do they say this is the the season where everybody's getting sick so let me just get yeah my daughter I think she brought it home from daycare peachy dishes Fe this yeah not no sckers can I get you anything no ma'am thank you so much okay here was my dad there while Dad passed when I was 10 okay I'm sorry down I'm sorry to hear that your your mom had filled me in a little bit about that and that you have the uh you call Uncle Pete down in um Florida down Florida that you've used to kind of get away sometimes I might do that now well I've learned a lot I've learned a lot about you in the last couple in the last couple uh hours that you've been here okay so this is it okay this is where we we we we iron out the the details all right so I'm going to start this off by saying okay that you can't with the text messages that I'm reading okay I understand that okay so there's a certain uh level of trying to also minimize your involvement in tonight okay so what would I what would you say to me if I said to you that I know for a fact that Bobby is painting a picture up there where you're helping him put Mike in the back of the car I didn't okay I haven't T I didn't touch Michael's body the only time I did is when Seth was having trouble to tie him up and I just I told Mich I literally went up to him I did hold his arms down I'm like Mike it's going to be faster if you just stop moving around and what did Mike say to you he just when you held his arms was he face down or face up face down and you how did you hold his arms I was he was like laying and he this arm he just kept maneuvering out of Seth's hand and Bobby kept saying is he is he [ __ ] moving is he [ __ ] moving like he I knew that man he was going to come and hit him so I just literally put my weight like put my elbow on mic right here and I said please stop moving what did you do with his hand I held this hand here while Seth grabb this hand and Seth was having you that hand where in front of him I held it behind so that Seth could get both because this arm he just kept doing this he kept doing this and I'm like Mike stop you're prolonging this but the the fact of the matter is but I never put him in the car couple questions I want you to answer honestly yes I never I did not touch him and put him in the car We Know by talking with certain people that Mike knew that Bobby knew excuse me that Mike knew where he lived see all night he's been saying how the [ __ ] did Mike know did you tell him did you [ __ ] tell him like I to you yeah okay and what was your response to I kept telling him no even though you took him up there but then he was like cuz Mike has gone through my phone a few times and like thinking he was going to find something and he's like oh maybe he got it through your phone so I kind of like played that angle with Bobby because like he's get mad and then like he's like a light switch Bobby why did why did Mike go there tonight in the first place Mike was planning to Rob him but I hadn't spoken to Mike after he told me he was on his way to my house I deactivated my Facebook and I when did Mike tell you he was planning to Rob he couldn't get money anymore he knew that it was but when when was this he yesterday was this today was this last week he was like dabbling with the idea but then he was still getting money and it was like his last Stitch effort because he said he wanted to get clean and like he he just kept saying I have nothing I'm a man with nothing to lose don't [ __ ] with me when last week did he do this what when when did he tell you this last week we were in my room and he was just so tired of sitting in the corner and not being able to leave and not being able to do anything like we just kept you know we're talking and he's like I can't do this anymore Courtney I can't we need to either like I need we need to go away together where we need to he's like I have no more fight in me and like he just was broken down he was crying and he's like I can't do this he's like I can't hold down a job my family's not talking to me I can't do this anymore and then he was um he wanted to know when certain people were in the house and we had spoken that day about who was in the house cuz what house the Goan go cuz she was asking me like who lived there and I said you don't want to and then I got Tim's home I I didn't know like what Tim's involvement but I just knew he was a big dude and just said you don't I said he works overnight and I knew Charlie was going I told him Charlie's going away and what I really think was when he looked in that window tonight he saw me and sat he didn't see Bobby so I'm thinking that he thought just me and Seth were there so last week if I'm hearing you right last week you have a conversation with him he has a conversation with you Mike has a conversation with you and it's basically who's in the house Mike wants to know who's in the house you tell him who's in the house normally you tell him the pitfalls like don't go there if Tim's there because he's a big dude Bobby's there he knows the Bobby correct he knows it Seth Seth I thought Seth did but but now like kind of when I was there today I haven't hung out with in a while but like seeing today I guess if SE got the cold he asked Bobby for them he's anymore because he did one time and I was at my mom's house and Mike came to me I couldn't get anything because Bobby was mad at me because he would literally be mad in like a flip of a switch like you see his Tex he's nice one minute I'm a [ __ ] the next so he went to Seth's house I guess told Seth he had $100 and then like Seth handed it to him and he's like oh well I'll have the money tomorrow and just left who was that that was M grabbed it out of Seth hands and last this was a few weeks ago so since then Bobby hasn't really like given he's given him little bit of leeway but he's working it back up cuz he's you know Bobby ever addressed him Mike about that yeah he um the next day he's like cuz I guess I'm in I don't know if you saw where I where my room is but I'm in the back so I guess my inquisit was Grandpa's um he was really really sick going back and forth between my house you know trying to get money and he kept coming to my window and I didn't hear he was holding the horn down but Bobby could hear she was staying over um at Jared's at that point and he kept holding the horn down and Bob's telling me he's like yo this kid holding the horn down but I couldn't hear and I said I'm in to back I don't hear anything and um I guess the next day when he saw m coming to see me he told him something he's like y you can't be doing that [ __ ] around here like you know it's a very small block and everyone's nosy clemenza tries to distract the detective by talking about earlier events with nervous energy to make her story fit she has to add more details which increases her risk of being caught in a lie that that's over at Hudson Street no that's my house that's your house yeah okay so so you guys had this conversation about who's in the house did you it would make sense if you were also discussing where are in the house well he knew it was Bobby's room like he was asking where but Bobby he trusts to a certain point like he's not going to tell me everything cuz he does know one with M did you mention any any places in the yeah Bobby's room Bob's room yeah he has like this little portable safe but like cuz I said like I told him like I don't know exactly where it would be cuz sometimes it's in the club and sometimes it's under the bed sometimes it's in Bobby's arms so depends on who's in the house at the time with Bobby like if his door's open it's with him if his door's locked it's either in the closet or on the floor okay and you know doesn't really let you in his room like he'll go out and like I say in Seth's room he'll just come in Seth's room like I sat in his room but he wouldn't do any like he just sat there was talking he wouldn't know did you ever mention to Bobby that you had this conversation no never mention to Seth that you had this conversation no because I know Seth would run right the [ __ ] back to Bobby because I've told certain things and he's run right back so no loyalty so now you're talking to to Mike you're an's telling him where the safe may or may not be that are going to be in his room that Tim if he's there don't do it do you think he Taps on the window why would he tap on the window to let you know he's there if he's going to rob the place I guess to see if it was okay but I never then I like looked when I saw like a silhouette but he never like tried to talk to me he never tried to do anything signals stop for a minute yeah you had a conversation with him that that afternoon at the at the shop right was the signal supposed to be that c no no when I was talking to him I was scared that he didn't have the money and I was like you cannot do this to me cuz I don't know what Bob's going to do I don't know if he's going to think I'm bullshitting him and I cuz I was really afraid then what did he say he's like well I know to tell you I'm not leaving here sick so I was I was scared did he tell you he was going to rob the place that night no he did not so when you had your conversation going back did he say he would give you a signal he never even spoke to me about this yesterday no no no I'm talking about last week when you're sleeping over when he's sleeping over no like we were going to make a plan like what was the plan going to be like he asked me where the rooms were so I told him the placement of the rooms did you write them down did you yeah I like down from he has it who does Michael where does he have it I don't I don't know but I know he has it cuz U one day when when I couldn't get anything for him he told me he going to show Bobby it okay so he has that somewhere probably his wallet probably his wallet okay he doesn't really have like a bag in it he has a backpack but I believe it's in my room it's in your room I believe it's in my room cuz would it be in the back D and his Grandpa's D at his grandpa's house but I'm not exactly sure if he left with it last time cuz he's been leaving with my backpack with the laptop and that's the only thing that's been in it's a Bob's Burger's laptop back okay and the other bag he's just been keeping in my closet cuz he doesn't want to walk around too much stuff okay so he's just been kind of so you drew him a map of the rooms and where stuff would be it was a map of like the house just kind of like a layout of the house but he never told me like a date or a time like I just told him you know Tim schedule when uh that Charlie was going on vacation and cuz he was asking me he like can you get Seth and Bobby out of the house but he's put this like block between us with this whole like eting scandle that it's put a wedge where I used to be closer to them to know but then this with this wedge she he wants to deal with them but with him acting crazy yesterday and me hanging out over there I was building the trust mhm but it was never it was never a set in stone date cuz I I told them I want to get them out of the house so there was nobody there I didn't know what Bob's capable of like he's just a very scary [ __ ] dude like but why why why risk robbing him in the first place cuz he Seth was running his moue he's got like 25,000 in cash he's got Seth was running his mouth he Seth has it or Bobby has it that Bobby has it and who's Seth telling this to you he was telling me this and when he was talking about the money part Mike was there he was like wow I watched Bobby count $25,000 the day so Mike Mike and Seth had a conversation by they didn't have like a personal conversation it was the three of us were together in the car when was that this was like maybe two weeks ago I don't know the exact it's like around two weeks ago the detective can tell by the way clemena supposedly remembers multiple conversations in such detail that she is being less than truthful because you know sometimes Seth would have to come and Mike would be in the car he didn't like it but if Bobby told him to do it he got to do it but if Bobby said jump that's that's how high so that's and since he's moved in it's got worse so so Seth was aware then that he didn't know Mike was going to rob the house he just knew that he he he was just boasting about yeah yeah he was just boasting about counting like like wow Bobby coun $25,000 in cash how long after he says that do you guys have the conversation about where pretty soon after mik dead he was like oh if I could get that cash like that would be you know that would just get a set we could get an apartment we could get a car like we it could be like a nice get on your feet thing he said Bobby's not going to tell because why would you know who's going to run to the cops and say so that's when he was and he's like you know and I can take at the same time be good on that end so he was kind of like the wheels were turning okay so now he's he didn't say what did he specifically say and what really weirded me out about yesterday was cuz he always stops by my house first and he'll look in my window see if I'm home like my mom never texted me to say he stopped by he just came right to the Goan house which really like weirded me out that's why when I heard the tapping I thought it was him but then I was like he didn't my mom would have called and said that you know they chased him out of that house so why would he go there if well you knew why he was coming well but I was when you saw him he Cs on the window you see him walking back and you heard the bang in the car saw him too and then two like two to 5 minutes later was that B on the car right when you saw that did you know why he was there no I didn't know he was there to rob the house like he told in between that why did you think he was there Bobby opened the window and he saw him walking and yelled to him and he said he was there to pick me up that's what he told Bobby so Bobby sees Mike downstairs yeah when he was up there he said saw him walking down the driveway with a large object in his hand after the after this is before any physical education before the B and what does and what does Bobby say he came downstairs and he was like cuz I texted my mom I need to leave cuz Bobby's like you need to get the [ __ ] out and you need to get the [ __ ] out to me SE and that's when he's walking down the driveway yeah and that's when Mike was walking like he was leaving so he's pissed that Mike's there now yeah and he said that we need to leave because one of us told him where he lives or he followed us there from before he thought that um Mike followed me and Seth from the day like after the dayare from dayare and he's pissed now yeah and he was like really [ __ ] pissed he was like this [ __ ] knows where I live now it's over this is over I can't do this anymore I've never had so much drama with you white people and just like flipping out and just kept he's like you need to [ __ ] go and then like was just like so pissed and Seth was just standing there and I'm like Seth just come to my house if you want he's like and I thought he meant for us to leave with the car the Toyota or whatever the silver car and then he's like Seth give me the [ __ ] keys I'm like well how do you want us to leave I'm not walking with my daughter so I like I'm just going to try to get us aride just relax and that's when the shot happened after so there was like no time in between cuz I was trying to text my mom to see if maybe the lady in the middle um in between her and Jericho picked me up how long was he gone when he walked down the driveway before he came back with the alleged shotgun it was like five minutes 5 minutes yeah it wasn't even yeah it was not even like 5 10 minutes it was like a very short period of time so now when you guys are when so at some point when he's doing the beating and then he comes downstairs he said he took your phone yes cuz he couldn't see you didn't know what you're doing didn't want you to [ __ ] call the police right yeah all right I was texting my mom and you were texting your mom did he read the text to your mom no he just grabbed the phone and put it right in his pocket right in his pocket when did you get the phone back after we came back from dropping mic off hours later it was like 2 three hours cuz I had Seth text my mom because I didn't want to ask him for the phone cuz we were kind of in Seth's room like he like get sleep and we were just kind of standing like this cuz like his door was cracked open and Bobby would walk by to like see what we're talking about and then kind of Pop his head in and just have mug on what do you mean mug just like this face like he's like and I [ __ ] blame you for him knowing where I live so I was like I'm kind of asking him for my phone so then he happened to come in two hours later and just threw it on the bed and he's like oh me charge your phone a little bit what time are you charging must have been when we got back I don't really know I didn't even see him charged he went in his room for a little bit we went when we came back we actually went to the liquor store before we came back to the house cuz he said he needed liquor and what liquor store Bren go backers Pharmacy used to be right across from there so after after you drop off and go after we Dro mic off we came back almost the same way but we made one different turn instead of turning where the golf course was we went straight into Goan who went into the liquor store love for each question that the detective hurls at her clemenza has an answer ready she is handling the current level of pressure so the detective may have to become more aggressive in his approach and I turn the car around and what did he get he got I believe it was Hennessy he was like a This Tall of a bottle did you get any no I didn't did Seth get any no only Bobby only Bobby then okay so you're you get back you're you're back how how long when you get the phone back we're back like trying to think cuz it was really dark we went SE room we're watching a movie we put down put Stewart Little on she wouldn't stop grabbing me so I lay down with her she fell asleep like was a half hour later and um he must have had a few shots and kind of got in a better mood because then like he was on the phone making the calls and I believe it was to his like cuz then I heard I'm like [ __ ] now this is [ __ ] up and no one's going to give me the hold if I got people up in here trying to come in here with guns No One's Gonna [ __ ] give me anything to hold now they're gonna want to take it all back and you kept like talking like that and then like he would when you come in like Seth was come in here and Seth sit there like and what do you sitting there he like you surprised me tonight you know you didn't play your [ __ ] part so me and Seth were both trying to explain him like we don't come from this like we've never seen anything he's like well this is real life welcome so I was like this is not like my reality like I've never seen anything like so he wasn't shocked and he wasn't he wasn't upset that he did this to him no not at all he's not remorseful nothing okay was Chef yes I can tell how could you tell he just like wasn't talking he was like he was more upset thinking like wow I almost I could have died tonight like he was just so set on Mike trying to shoot him he's like according I saw Mike's face like you didn't see his face like we were fighting for this barrel and he's trying to point at me go for the trigger and he's like I've never I've never been face to face with that let me stop you yes when you got back it was you Seth Bobby yes okay Tim was already gone for work Tim left for work crap you were gone for how long cuz I know GPS is 11 minutes J Chester it just seemed like so much long you stopped at the liquor store that took about how long he I turned around not even like 3 minutes he was in bought it and came right out 11 more minutes back that' be maybe a half hour stretch if that okay so say half hour 45 minutes to air on the side of caution right okay when you leave what's Tim doing he walked back in the house mhm and when we pulled up he was getting out to go to work and he was backing the car out he opened on the window and to get the [ __ ] door shut cuz the front door was shut cuz M shot at so we said get the [ __ ] door shut and just pulled off who said that who said Tim said that to Bobby cuz he like we were parked here and Tim was parked like at the house and like backs up next to so Bobby answers to Tim it's his do like I was trying to figure out I thought they were just roommates but Seth was telling me that Tim is like his god brother or Godfather they call each other something like that I didn't really understand it so so he leaves and now it's only you did did Bobby leave it all when you guys no so he you all three stay in the house from the time you get back until the time we call you and you leave for the quick check yeah said that car is not leaving cuz that said if any he just not driving and the car when you are at the house okay yes how long so you the last time you talk to Mike before he shows up at the house is what time when and I was getting clothes together of mine when I called Seth to pick me up and that was and that was outside of that was when he followed me that's almost 4:30 yeah and then I deactivated my Facebook so that was really the only way for him to reach me he that's 4:30 but he's showing up at the house at what time between 6:37 it was dark but it wasn't like pitch black dark so he shows up at your house but he never showed up at my house I'm sorry show showed up at yeah um he shows up between 6ish okay so you get there though at what time cuz we were there it was we were there for about 15 minutes before the tap before the tap cuz I um got there I went out cuz we were on the way home like we were on the way to the house and Goan and Seth was like did you grab this Sur B did you grab that and I was like [ __ ] we're so worried about her clothes I forgot the diapers so she's like I'm not turning around so I'm like you know what I'll ask Bobby for 10 bucks and I'll go to CVS and see if I can just buy a pack okay Bobby said yes he said don't worry about it and then I went to CVS came back I made the mac and cheese for me and we were eating it we had already finished it the details involving Haskell were not mentioned in her previous statement slowly but surely the detective is getting more information whether there is any truth to it or not is another story and I was throwing the package out when he so you were only there for 15 minutes yeah when he's tapping on the window yeah it was and then I looked out and then me Seth was getting paranoid I was I was bugging out cuz we didn't know what happened so Seth once I shut the light and then Bobby came down and was like what the [ __ ] are you guys doing and we're like I heard something and I said I heard a tapping and then I heard almost the same tapping but then I looked and it was like throwing something so I was I kind of like put it like oh maybe it was that cuz then I thought I saw someone and then Seth said he saw someone walking down and then he changed his story so I'm like maybe I'm paranoid maybe I'm crazy and then all of a sudden Bobby said he saw someone walking down the driveway with like a long thing which I guess he said was a shop the Crowbar that he had was only like this long the Crowbar was that yeah it was a short one and he was walking down back towards the roadway with the track yeah he's walking away from the house with the trer and what Bobby and were saying after the fact was that maybe Mike was trying to like lure them out of the house to like Ambush them like they didn't understand why he kept going back but we didn't know what he was going back to cuz there was no vehicle so I was kind of well that's what I want to talk about cuz that's not what's making sense cuz I walked up and down the block and I couldn't find it I no so I'll tell you what we have a vehicle we found the vehicle okay there is zero way what Seth keep saying no he cat saying it has to be in the woods or in somebody behind somebody's shed so you guys are actively looking for this I walk down the block cuz Bobby said go look for the car okay this is where we're this is where you're minimizing okay I'm I'm going to be very honest with you right now all right we have we we we found a car we know where the car is okay car isn't with M right I swear to God the fact of the matter is this okay if I put you on a polygraph right now yeah I pass I swear to God why would that car be so far away from where Mike is that's what I was trying to figure out and then we're but if you're trying to figure it out then you would have known it was far away down the I was walking cuz I walked all the way down to that end and I didn't see it and then Bobby walked he's like oh maybe it's in a driveway Bobby walked where cuz as I was walking back someone was walking with a flashlight and then I was trying to figure out who it was and then it was Bobby so he's down there and then he was walking looking for it so I don't know maybe so the where where this car was somebody had to drive it where it was and then get picked up by somebody okay and it wasn't Mike getting picked up by anybody it was it was somebody in your party who had access I had no idea where it was which means did so so by by what you guys were saying okay but what what you've told me and what we know I don't know if maybe they're not telling me I well or are they using and making you drive the car I never drove that vehicle I never found it I swear on everything I love I swear on my daughter's life Seth or anybody find cuz when I was laying down they're like oh let's go inside and talk for a little bit I didn't see if they left I didn't see anything so he shows up at your house at [Music] 7 Mike Mike 7 what you say 7:30 had to be earlier had to be earlier cuz around 7:30 was when we were dropping mic off so I remember seeing 722 like that's when you're 7 I just remember 722 cuz it was I have the receipt in my email for a CVS I could everything's just scattering M that's why I want you to yourself I'm trying to like think and it's just all bushing here's the here's don't want to say the whole thing get you mad here's the problem that car was found way before was found a little bit before this all happened which means he can't be in two places that one time so if Mike is up there right then why is his car somewhere else is the question far away they had to find it when they were walking out to go smoke weed when was that when I was Ling down they didn't want to smoke with my asthma in the room and [ __ ] yeah but when was that what time that was after everything happened after we dropped mic off that was when we got back and I was laying her down so that was like after to the liquor store like right after the liquor store what if I told you it was way before that way before that that I didn't touch that vehicle I'm I'm asking you see here's the thing there's conversations that you're not filling me in on okay there's conversations that are had at that house in certain periods of time that you're staying away from just by the nature of the stories the the the the story line that you're doing what is the context that you guys are talking about okay around the time period where you're texting your your brother what are the cops tell what are the cops saying there's concern there after why would you be texting if Bobby wanted to know what was going on he wanted to know cuz I told them that I told my mom that he beat you know he beat him up and that's why he wanted me to press them clemenza fumbles her answers struggling to keep the timeline consistent he wanted what he wanted me to press my brother to try and get information but then it wasn't cuz I we have iPhone iPhone it wasn't delivering so he's like well what the [ __ ] why isn't he answering text your mother call your mother so I pretended to call my mother but I didn't because I knew she needed Wi-Fi well you called your mom at 118 yeah no they asked me after that to call her and then Seth was going to call her from his phone but then he said that would look weird Seth yeah he's like well if I call your mom a local year he wanted me to keep calling until I got her on the phone but I knew she wasn't going to say anything why' you ask your mom why she why would you be at the station no cuz I thought cuz when my brother texted me he said that you guys came to the house but then I never he stopped answering so I was like why would you be at the station if you're being questioned at the house like I just didn't know they're being brought in it was I just thought it was weird I thought suspects come in questioning that's why I was confused cuz then when she called me she like I'm at the station like very pissed off I already knew she was not was about mik so I was like [ __ ] I just know I was going to get yelled at I'm like well why are you even at the station 4 hours later I thought they'd went to bed because she never texted me she never V never texted me and it was weird that his phone was off because he's always got his phone on who's who my brother brother that's why it was just like weird and not adding up and Bobby saw that it was weirding me out so he was like panicking like not panicking outward toss but like the years return cuz he's like oh I'm not going to be sleeping for days did he so if he's panicked and hear me on this this is your this is your opportunity to speak 100% the truth if he is panicking right now then it would be feasible and realistic to believe that you guys would have a conversation on what should be told now that the police are involved he toally don't say anything but it's too late because the text messages already went out so he can't tell you don't say anything so what did he in fact he wanted me to find out what my mom said and go from there that's what he told me to say he didn't know I think that he if he came in the car he was getting questioned or he wouldn't have came well no again hear me out he asked by your own Omission right now you said he asked you what you said and you told you said I texted my mom that you beat up Mike yeah you beat my and he he laughed right he lefted so he already knows that you had he already knows you texted M he already knows that you told M yeah texted your mom he already knows that you told your mom that you that that he was he B he's because then he's like well would your mom say anything so I just said no because I didn't want him to like hurt my mom cuz he tolds me like the way he puts it to me in uh Middle Town he's like I'll [ __ ] you up [ __ ] with me or my money I'll [ __ ] your life up that's exactly how he put it to me he's like I don't do no nickel and dime he's like I make money he's like so this isn't know little stuff I was like what does that mean like I don't know the lingo so he was just like basically if you say anything or put him like say anything about his business or him that he'll basically be killed or beaten or something of that nature like a threat I took it as a threat but you're you're pressing your mom for information you're pressing your brother for information whether it be on his behalf or not it's also on your behalf not cuz you want to know what Mom is saying right right of course right so you're pressing your mom to see what Mom is saying because because he kept coming in the room what did they answer you did they answer you did they answer you but you're also but but he's not he's not he's not standing over you for you to do it did he take your phone and text your mom when he had your phone in the car and you didn't have control of your phone he didn't have the pass code to your phone correct and you need to thumb print or passcode to open up right so you're 100% confident he wasn't able to send any text messages on your behalf right so only Seth that was my password okay and Seth didn't have the phone correct no Bobby Bobby did so the only one that had the phone when it was out of your control was Bobby but he doesn't have the pass of the thumb protection you have it and you start asking and pressing your mom for information as to why the police are there right yeah well I knew cuz my brother said the cops are here and then talked a little bit and um what do he talk a little bit about it doesn't make sense that clementa was able to communicate so often with her mother and brother if hasell was as paranoid as she claims cuz it's in my phone she said the cops are here and then he thought it was Mike because they came in the back and it's always where Mike came and um then I said like why what were they there about and then he said he didn't know he didn't I guess hear them or something okay and then listen his phone just like wouldn't deliver any messages okay but that put you in a panic that put Mike in a panic or sorry uh Bobby in a panic and it put Seth in a panic right yeah so why and and that's by your own admissions right so why would that Panic all of you at the same time if if if you see what I'm saying like knew that me and Fe are we and would talk but you're and you're part of this yeah you're part of this and it got out of control yeah you understand what I'm saying no Seth is part of this you're part of this Tim is part of this and Bobby's part of this Mike showed up although be it for whatever reason okay the fact of the matter is is that at some point in time you were involved as was Seth mhm as was Mike or as was Bobby and Tim am I am I am I misreading this right you have from you having a conversation with Michael days before he shows up at the house you have conversations with him about how much there is Seth also adding to to that right Seth adding to that is Seth part of that whole thing with Seth no he had no idea because honestly he's so so hear me out Qui so you give this information to him you even detail a map to him okay we were supposed to plan it tell me the day the time suppos to lure them not lure them out but like see where they were if they were home like try and get them see when they're not home basically gets drunk and he gets high because you drunk because well because you gave him you you g he he from you right well that he did earlier by the time he came he was already that was already out of system but he's joning for more yeah file what I'm saying exactly okay so now you're there with him this thing gets listen he he he's going to he's going to fight this guy right correct there's no doubt in your mind because he's upstairs he knows it's Michael you said he was pissed that Michael was on the property he's pissed at you check me and Seth out he's pissed at you and Seth he takes the car keys and say I don't care how you get them go right so he's kicking you out MH was the door let me ask you this was the front door locked yes okay so how did Michael get in he shot it and then kicked it open he kicked it open so he shot the lock yeah yeah okay okay did Michael let let me ask you this did Michael come over to that that house and you need to be honest with me Michael's been there before okay you know that I know that we know we show him it yeah we know he's been there before okay I have a feeling that Michael was going back over there to get okay and I have a feel one right before we like well face he's like if I if I got money would you be able to get it I said yeah but you need to hurry up MH and then his last message was I'm coming to you but I was already in the car with Seth leaving just the but he's coming with the money he went to my house he was going to give me the money but he knows you're not there he knows you're at the other house so he's coming wherever you are so you're Assuming he's going but he's going and then I deated my so now he can't now he can't talk can't reach to me at all and you can't reach him to say don't come here so he comes there I don't think he comes there to shoot the lock out the detective is willing to believe that certain parts of clemens's story are true but he isn't going to let her get away with thinking that she has fooled him completely and Rob the place I don't what I think happens is he comes there thinking that you're going to have and then Bobby upstairs sees him and flips his [ __ ] because he owes him money how correct am I and as that [ __ ] happens I believe Bobby was also pissed out he knew where he L his head so now you owe me $700 now you know where the [ __ ] I live you know where I live Mike's coming there I don't think Mike ever shot nor I think that but that was done later by somebody else no he did sh that door he really did the shotgun is didn't room it might that might be but did but he comes there he also didn't want to rob it but that was but that's that's not what I'm saying are you going to really tell me right now that he came there to believe so okay I don't believe so so why then would he have to shoot the door to get in if he's purchasing it he's got the it was locked because Bobby didn't want him at that house Bobby knowing he cuz I already told him if Bobby knows where you live you're going to [ __ ] everything up for yourself so B so I think he already knew that he was become a suicide missioner so he comes there but when I'm what I'm trying to say is I don't believe that he is at that door with a gun the first time with the first the first time oh the first time no no when he was chopping no when he was knocking on the door he wasn't he never knocked he just shot when he tapped at the window right for you to correct he just tapped I looked out and like I saw a silhouette but it didn't he didn't like go like this he didn't go like that there was no mov all like and it didn't even click to me that he would go there because he was so wasted I thought his Grandpa would have a little more smarts since for last year what happened why would he he didn't even like give me a signal like hey it's me come outside like so you guys are on good terms he's never been abusive to Mike's never been abusive to you never you you have plans in fact to Rob this guy You' you know but he but but he said I have money I'm coming to you to purchase he said I'm going to get money I'll make sure I have have it and Mike always says that that's how he nonetheless you assume he's going to your house but he knows what that you're not at your house he knows that cuz he was at your house at four so he knows that you're over here and he's going to come get it and he's going to have money he already told he's already made it very clear when he's sick he's going to get however he gets him so in this whole thing did anybody check his wallet to see if he had money no did anybody take his W not that I saw no what about his phone he didn't have a phone he only had the one that work on Wi-Fi that leaves his grandpa's house okay so he didn't have anything on him he lost his home when he was drunk last week okay no my laptop but that to my knowledge was in the car cuz I saw him in the car that afternoon so he goes there and he Taps on the window and he sees you like he saw me and Seth downstairs yeah so we were talking like me and Seth are like are we paranoid and then I didn't want to say like I think it's Mike because why Dam Bobby tell me why he would damage your car it's basically Bobby's Car Bobby bought it Bobby and Seth take it I just yeah but does mik know that yes so he knows Bobby W that car right yeah and he knows that Seth runs it I used to drive it until Bobby like I used to take it overnight by uh Mike's grandpa's house and he got pissed cu the car wasn't in Chester when he needed it so why would he damage that and then walk away Bobby he knows Bobby pays the insurance he knows Bobby paid the four grand for the car but he's walking away you follow what I'm saying it's not like boom he hit the he hit the the thing on his way to the door the door walking away I didn't look out the window Seth didn't look out the window we were panicking trying to get out of there like we were nervous so you how many shots did you hear I heard one so how many how many noises did you hear through the the whole thing I heard the boom of the um thing on the side of the door and then the boom right at the door where you just saw like flying dirt and [ __ ] it was weird it would looked like slow motion cuz I just turned around and that's when Seth shot the [ __ ] door okay so he shut the door now he goes upstairs and immediately the guns upstairs immediately the guns taken away they're wrestling for it like they're tussling him and Seth and apparently Hees where so so let me just stop you so how did Seth get up those stairs after Mike Seth heard that shot and just darted right for the steps right where the gun in front the door steps and the door's here the steps are here he heard that boom and he ran up the steps I don't he said he was going to his room for a knife that's what he told me after the fact but he doesn't have nothing in his room I don't know if he was going to hide if he was scared because he was very visibly scared afterwards okay so you but you understand and a lot of it with sth is has always immediate thing is he's so worried about being cut off from drugs that's always his first thing and now if I'm going to be cut off and kicked out because he's staying there so now he's like oh [ __ ] what am I going to do like many addicts plang found the thought of going through withdrawals terrifying that fear often Spurs people to desperate actions that they would otherwise not commit and then Bob's telling them like yo be a [ __ ] man like you're not proving yourself like what are you doing what why didn't you do anything why aren't you doing did Bobby cut any the vacuum cords Noth said it was all that's what scth told me that he cut the vacuum cords and Tim yelled in him for cutting all of the vacuum courts so you didn't see him cut the vacuum courts no I was downstairs they were in set rooms at vacuums okay so the all the vacuums were in C room yeah I don't know why but they were and even when I walked upstairs they were there's one actually still in this room with blood blood yeah there's like blood right on it's like one of those skinny ones and it was like on the like underneath the handle like why would yeah why would there be blood under that he that's what I asked him he said he didn't know CU I was like why is there blood on the vacuum that makes no sense if Michael was never in your room so wasn't adding up to me I was trying to like figure it out but then all of a sudden Seth was just sitting there did Seth have blood on him no actually was asking me till he was going like do to see if he had blood he wanted me to like insect his shirt did Bobby have blood on him Bobby had a lump on his head he said well he said did you see it he just kept on like the saying there's a lump on his head I didn't personally didn't look like a lump like he was just going like that saying like I got a lump on my head he said he thinks might got a punch in but I it wasn't possible so there's No Remorse by Bobby No Remorse by Tim no not at all do you understand that when I when we when I go when I go back to this that you're involvement in this right tell me why and and you had the ability to text your mother you by your own admission say right that and keep in mind here your texts are very poignant I saw blood squirting from him CU Bobby was saying he wants BR he definitely has broken ankles and ribs said I really wanted to break his ankle so he couldn't walk out of here amongst your mom laughing at some of this stuff so you have she just doesn't like him but it doesn't matter what I'm say what I'm saying is instead of those text messages you could have because Bobby can't see him and you could have done it contacted the police department for mik why and Bobby threaten me I understand Bobby threatened you I don't know how you would text the police but no no no text your mom to call the police should know the text out right yeah you get you got no there's no I'm honestly afraid of Bobby cuz he already told me he will find me wherever I go and he will kill me and I'm just really afraid that's why I always I don't want him to find out I'm saying for somebody that you're so follow me on this for somebody that you're so afraid of your mom says verbatim to us okay that that is the home that you go to to hide from my to to to to to kind of clear to cl to clear your mind from Mike to that's your space know that I get it okay but you keep going to that house you've gone there with Mike you've gone there with Seth right you lay there you sleep there you go there with your daughter follow me on this if he's such a badass and I'm so afraid of him why in God's name would you bring your two-year-old daughter around him if you're that truly afraid of him the detective is asking questions that are difficult for for clemenza to answer without making herself look bad it shows that she was an active participant rather than a victim which brings her closer to a stretch in prison that she is desperate to avoid he's like a light swich he's very like you know you just have to basically appease him in order to for him to not switch like that but I've seen him on the phone with me like he have one bad phone call and then he's just his whole mood is just different like I'm I'm learning more as I get to know him and like I I believe he's killed people I don't know like I don't know if it's an act to like try and scare me who else do you think he's killed I don't know like honestly he hasn't like said anything but I don't know if it's an act to like scare us or you know to kind of like he's Top Dog and you know what I mean or if it's the truth that's your but but again you're you're driving them around you're getting you're you're you're sleeping over there you're with Seth over there you and when I say with you're hanging out with Seth over there you've brought Mike over there you've you your daughter is over there and you have so listen you are downstairs before this kicks off and you are playing with your daughter and making food dinner right correct that does not sound like you're scared of somebody upstairs no honestly after I've I've never seen him in that mode you Liv but he's lived to you for so many years he only lived for like a year actually Jared's lived with us he's lived with Jared only for I guess this past year cuz um that was his address he got paroled to I didn't I really started to know him this year uh he I was pulling in one night and he kind of walked up on me and said here and to try them or give them out and then after that he actually came up to my window one night and was like oh here I have Bud for you and I I don't smoke so I was like okay so basically he was trying to like P it off is there is there any truth to any sexual relationship with him no he wanted to and I told him no well how far then he told me he was going to take it from me how far has he gotten with you I've never pissed him I've never had sex with him he told me he was going to take it that's why I tried to never position myself alone like I'd be with C like you know but even him saying even him saying that you still are over there you're still sleeping over here you're sleeping in Seth's room which is right next to his room right like he's never came at me like that like he's tried to like grab my ass like when Seth wasn't looking but why would Seth care about that if you're not having a relationship with SE I'm not but I why would he care about that I don't know like he just didn't want it to get back to Mike cuz he knows how like Mike got like over that kind of stuff like Mike would go crazy if he thought anything was happening and he did go crazy seeing something happen but he sent me text while be like we are just friends we have never had sex my thread it but he still thinks it's [ __ ] black guys aren't my type and he's old that it doesn't no I know but I'm just saying like that's why I would drive him around that's why you know for stuff I wouldn't but that's when the phone what you if you're afraid of somebody if you're afraid of somebody you're not going to be at their home if you're afraid of somebody you're not going to bring your 2-year-old there if you're afraid of somebody no after last night like seeing what he like hitting putting his hands on me is what really like put the fear of God in Me he's never put his hands on me like that he came and slapped me in front of my daughter knowing how like I feel about you know confrontation in front of her he just went pow told her to shut up and I just saw but he's not you're saying he's like I've never seen that of him is what I'm saying but it's not an out of control thing because he's controlled enough to he's controlled enough to control you he's controlled enough to control Seth right to control to orchestrate to have Tim be part of it to have you be part of it to have Seth be part of it all of you contributed to to this right so let let me go through why I was crying like please don't kill him CU like but here's the thing you're saying please don't kill him yet you're holding him you're holding him so he but here's the thing if you had the opportunity right they told you to walk away and go find the car yeah and you by your own admissions were gone for 45 minutes well no that that was before I told when I told you I walk clemenza had multiple opportunities to get help hasell was not watching her the entire time and she even left the house by herself 45 minutes I walked to the end of the road and back and as I was walking Bobby was checking where I was at he was coming out with a flashlight like where have you been I said I'm looking for the car you told me to look for the car and then we walked and we didn't see it cuz I was you walked together we walked for a little bit and then we turned around he's like [ __ ] this and then just turned around my fear is this right my fear is this is that we're going to get we we have the phones associated with all this we're going to do the GPS data on them and they're going to track we're going to track the phones and what I don't want to see is that the phones are where a car is being or where where you know because that would not be a truthful you would be being truthful telling you exactly where I was but you going out there I went to look and I never found it you're halfway up the stairs as he's getting as he's getting I walked up cuz I mean I knew I couldn't do nothing like you know going up there I would have just gotten hit with a p myself so when he tells you to leave why didn't you leave when he we were going to and that's when M came in the house so that's when everything kind of like took off okay cuz he did tell so when this is happening to M why didn't you run to a neighbor's house I just these are all questions I know I just didn't want I I don't know why I thought if I was there he wouldn't have killed like you know if I thought maybe if he heard me like cuz I was crying and screaming louder on purpose that hopefully he would hold on a minute you just said you were hoping if you were there wouldn't kill him yeah like he wouldn't do any you know what I mean like he wouldn't was and and this is where you need to be very honest with me right in that car was Michael making any movements yeah I told him please stop m in the car in the car I'm saying in the car right out to where you drop him off when he's putting he trying to like like move like I could tell he was trying to like get out of the cords he was just trying to move like this like it was very like like like I just kind of like he was like this Bobby was like sitting on him he was trying to move and then Bobby would just like hit him again and like every time like he would move an inch Bobby would in the car yes where did he hit him he was sitting on him like right at his legs he was going like at his back and list in the back of his head so the whole car r out to his Grand to Grandpa's if Mike moved or or moved or if he got pissed Bobby like if I wasn't going fast enough or for his like why aren't you driving any faster and he would punch like in the in the like either in the head like anywhere like a body shot like I didn't see exactly where his the whole ride out it was like it was only a Time minute ride cuz I just yeah how many times do you think he hit him in the car had to be like 10 times 10 times in the ride out yeah cuz like cuz then he was like I can't believe you came like going over and the Ted got believe you came to my [ __ ] house and then just hit him like getting mad in his head I guess and then just hitting him that's and he just kept like mumbling that and then he's like oh I want to get you in your face right now but his face must have been down and he's like I can't get to your face right now and then Bobby said he broke he broke his toe he thought he broke his own toe kicking like that was pissing him off too in your mind do you think think that Michael was trying to get away from Bobby Tim and Seth at the top of the stairs yeah why do you think that cuz he said Bobby please stop but why do you think he was trying to get away what most I think he realized well like cuz he tried to move you know he was always trying to get out but like I think he realized like he was in too in too far now like I don't think he knew Tim was there or how big he was like I just think he realized like oh [ __ ] like I [ __ ] up cuz when he was running up those stairs like they said he was going towards like Bobby's bedroom but I once he got up there he didn't even have a chance to they didn't even give them the chance to go in a room so I don't know if that was the excuse for what they did up there like trying to say that he was in the room going for the room but that's what they told me after the fact that's what I was told what did he tell you to tell the police nothing at all he said go with what your mom said go around that but don't say nothing about what happened tonight hasell even trusted her enough to believe she wouldn't tell the police this doesn't fit with the threatening violent attitude clemenza described earlier just talk about today like the daytime of me and like having a verbal altercation what did he want to stay what did he want you to stay away from specifically what happened on those steps and afterwards like that whole hour hour and a half span of after of like basically anything of M being at that house from that on you did not want me to talk about but but you did you did and he knew that you already knew that so there's something else he's wanting you to stay away from what was that that that he's got [ __ ] $25,000 of cash in his house at all times Well CU I think he's just getting off parole we know he's on parole that he he knows that we know that he's a signed somebody yeah you know mean so that is irrelevant he said something like he only had two more days left or I don't know but he just you know that that's all that's all on good but there's something specific to the actions tonight that he wanted you guys to stay away from that he was that he beat him with the bat that he There's No Remorse that he don't give a [ __ ] do you let me ask you this your actions in this right yes do you feel you did something wrong yeah what do you feel you did wrong specifically get call the police what else [ __ ] it your actions I'm talking about I wish I would have went outside and just told me to leave or just [ __ ] left with him or something just walked far with him so that this wouldn't that do you do you think I wish I could have just like I wish it was that simple honestly if I had them on me I would have just gave them to him to just not have this have happen do you think going outside by by again by your own Omission you said that Tim and Bobby after he's wrapped up in an electrical cord throw vacuum cord throw him outside like a piece of trash that's your own words yeah he's laying face down in your own words in a big puddle of blood alongside the house do you think when he got free from those binds and he tasted his first bit of Freedom at that point of time cuz his hand was out in front of him he could see it right right it's moving there's that glimmer of hope then freaking tongue you're going to die why did he tell him that he just kep saying you're going to die you better [ __ ] stop you better stop Kim cuz Bobby was saying that Tim wanted to kill him but I don't know then it doesn't make sense to me honestly what happens up there because the way they're explaining it to me is like does add up so what are they explaining to you cuz Seth is trying to tell me that he was the voice of reason by telling Bobby like don't do it it's not worth it and then Tim was saying he wanted to do it but he heard the baby crying and if me and the baby weren't there it would have went down different if it was just men there I don't know I don't think and what Bobby saying Bobby was pissed that he didn't hurtt him further yeah so again I'm going back to your actions cuz I'm talking to you specifically here yes so that he gets he wiggles through and Tim's Tim's by now your mission saying you're going to die you're going to die right but he's got that hand [ __ ] tell Mike like Mike just please stop do you think grabbing his arm and putting it behind his back so it can be tied again was the right thing to do period at that point I did you just because I wanted him just wanted to drive him to get him out so he didn't get hit any further so it wasn't any further back in my head at that moment what I thought is if he if he stopped moving it would be over faster for him and then he would be free how cold is was it out was it pretty cold yeah I mean I was hot because the adrenaline but it's cold crying it's coold and where did you guys deposit M North Hudson North hson in a residence it was like right outside a house in between like two houses was it near the roadway on a driveway in the yard in the roadway so you are on North Hudson and you open a door right you're driving right you're driving that car all right open the door and we place him out on we place Mike out on the on the on the ground around did he have shoes on no hand socks and his Jack was he was he still tied at that point yes was he able to free himself at that point no I thought Bobby was going to take off the cords did Bobby take off the cords no did just take off the cords they saw headlights and they jumped in the car and did did did they take him no okay so all three of you drive him out to a roadway set him on the roadway in the slush the snow the ice and the cold bound so he can't move or walk away right and you thought leaving him there was better right by your own omissions that was better for him how is that [ __ ] better for him I don't really know I just a moment no I know back now it's [ __ ] stupid I know I just wanted him away from that house and away from those and and the and the other part of that is and and what that and this is the thing is in your head you think that it's a good thing that while he was free his his freedom you you by your own Omission took his right or left hand uh so it's it would be his right and put it back behind his back so that who could tie it Seth so Seth could tie it I I know it doesn't make any sense I just where and while you're doing all this how is Seth tying it when he's holding at that point he wasn't holding so where in the car sitting and I put her in the front seat which car the silver car the car that we're putting him in yeah I had her sitting in the car cuz I didn't want um her screaming and Bobby yell at her again do you do you see what I'm getting at I was like we were supposed to go there it was just supposed to be a quiet night it's not supposed to be a quiet night because I'm going to tell you why okay you and Michael have a plan to do a robbery at this supposed to be it was supposed to be like more I know it was supposed to be more thoroughly planned okay supposed to be in the house but here's the thing yeah yeah everything you've said today points to the fact that you guys were setting these guys up to Rob them okay am I right they were not supposed to be in the house but they were and that doesn't that doesn't negate the fact freaking alcohol it doesn't negate the fact that he carried out the plan unbeknown to you yeah okay I know but you're still part of that planning process right you're still part of the of planning robbery and setting these guys setting Bobby up and Tim up and set up to take their cash right take no well they're all part of it and he knows do do Michael not know that Seth has in his room does he not know and he doesn't matter he knows they're there right and he has money he knows that by by your admission there's a map and all this other stuff right yeah I just F them like the rooms and stuff yes right and where would might possibly be in the room that there that there's going to be money in there don't do it when Tim's there all the pitfalls yeah trying right so so you're so so again this is being set in motion whether it's the ideal plan or not being said he was he told me too he's like I want you to make sure they're not home like that who shotgun was it hit Mike's Grandpa's how do we know that M told me that he had his Grandpa's shotgun and what what type of shotgun was it I have no idea I don't know shotguns does Grandpa know that a shotgun was missing I haven't spoken to him nobody haven't spoken to him haven't spoken okay all right give me a moment all right I'll give you a little bit of a breather little a bit of a break all right do you need another cup of water give me SEC okay thank you you're welcome everything and then we're going to go from there okay so they're making a call to one of our bosses all right then what we're going to do is we're going to this is the the The Villages um thing and they need this room obviously you see there's a copy here and some stuff so we're going to get out of here all right we're going to go up to Middletown okay and we're going to talk we're going to go from there all right I can't tell you where we're going to end up but you're going to be with me I'm not going to leave you with somebody else all right so you'll be assigned with me okay cuz we've been talking you've been Cooperative you know you've been working with me so we're going to keep that same um Rec you know report it is more beneficial to keep using the detective that clemenza feels comfortable with she still feels as if he is on her side which ensures that she is willing to speak freely and we'll go up there and then we'll figure out from there where we where we're going okay and what we're doing well I don't know that's what I'm saying I can't tell you what that means at this point okay uh cuz obviously there's other people making some decisions in this as well okay plus I don't know there's other moving parts right now okay so I don't want to say something to you in this room and then it not it doesn't happen and then you look at me like I've been talking to you now it is more beneficial to keep using the detective that clemenza feels comfortable with she still feels as if he is on her side which ensures that she is willing to speak freely now that clemenza has been told her story isn't entirely believable she has a choice to make tell the detective what happened or keep lying to try to make herself appear less guilty in part two of her interrogation we find out if clemenza has what it takes to be honest thanks again for tuning in drop a like if you like this video and check out my patreon page if you want to support the channel even more stay safe and I'll see you in the next one