prosecutors say one of two people charged in the murder of a Youngstown woman will now be cooperating with authorities Katrina Leighton took a plea deal this morning she told a judge she's guilty of obstructing justice and abuse of a corpse prosecutors say she will now have to tell investigators what she knows about the death of Shannon Graves can you think of anything more gruesome more inhumane more Hitler likee than to go after then after a person is murdered cut her arms off cut her legs off cut her head off and then burn her head and torso in sulfuric acid judge denafo in sentencing Leighton used words like horrendous Sinister and disgusting to describe these crimes he then sentenced Leighton to 18 years in prison the detectives begin to put the pressure on Katrina Leighton with Arturo noova continuing to maintain that he doesn't know anything about a freezer Leighton finds herself quickly becoming the primary suspect so um he was charged with abuse of a corpse the only thing that I the only thing that I've really been trying to think about in the past like couple like I've just been rocking my brain you know yeah um the 30th 30 is 31st today is the 30th it's past midnight it's it's like 220 right now I'm dead so so listen here's the deal um I've run out of different things I can do so if there's something else you know that you want to talk about this is the time if not we're going to get you out of here cuz I'm exhausted I've been out since like five on this so um I mean what I need right now from you is a bolt of lightning hey look I'm sorry I wasted your time and know it's okay but this is what happened if you don't got that then we're just going to transport you cuz I'm beat and your medication problem will be taken care of because you be going over there and we have medical that'll be the first thing they do I I need this from you okay what if he has told me anything M what will get me out of this m will not incriminate me I don't know how this works I don't have a lawyer I I don't I I don't know how anything Works here's what we're doing and you have to promise me that he's not in that room where next door oh no he's going he's back you know for hours here's the deal it's just something that I heard him I don't know how true look I'm looking for bolt of lightning okay so if it isn't I'm really really tired here okay so if it's not earth shattering I mean honestly I'm I'm like cooked here okay I can't chase another goose on this one I'm just I'm be the charge is going to be Abus of a corpse okay if you have some kind of information that's I mean it's got to be perfect it's got to be good then um I'm not sure if that opens up a whole another problem for you I don't know I don't know what you have I know you have something I don't know what the question is the question is how can I be charged with that when I had no knowledge of that problem you know what I may not win this so you may end up spending some time in jail and I may not win this or in the middle of this something else might pop up and we end up better I may not win this I'm not saying that I can I can win this I'm tell I can prove it I can charge this and I can get you bound over to Grand Jury and it's my job to do that here's what I'm telling you okay here's what I'm telling you okay I want to be able to go home with my kids well I understand that but you got to understand something here I'm not about to trade something like that and use I mean how would you feel if somebody said I just want to go home to my kids so I'm gonna tell you whatever you want to hear listen when I talk about that's not what doing I'm talking about bolt of [ __ ] light me kn me off my horse kind ofit what I'm looking for that's what I'm looking for okay and you got to understand you may have a problem here anyhow depending on what it is you got to talk about now obviously if you have the more involvement you have in this the better it is but you may be opening yourself up to other problems Leighton is starting to panic not only did she fail to remove suspicion from noova but now she is looking at her own potential prison sentence the okay the problem is is that I had no knowledge of what was going on with this right here and if you see you know if you're able to find either brought it up slow those are Walmart what the the freezer cuz those are the only two places in around here where you can buy a brand new freezer I mean I don't know if you would go to get one oh that's I mean you can actually have them delivered to get by Amazon the purchase of the freezer was later traced back to Leighton that particular model so it's not that big a deal well I mean this is how you're I about any of this well I mean my point is you can have it delivered so I I just I mean if I got to chase down where dis freezer came from I I'm guessing it was those I'm going to start throwing everybody in ja I'm guessing it was those or Walmart because of the fact that I know he's not going to order okay like anything online because it takes long to get anywhere to do that okay but what thing is is I want to be able to go home with my kids and I want to put this mess behind me and I feel like this thing I feel like I got D well I feel like I got dragged into something I had no knowledge of and this is the reason because I had no idea what was going on with that freezer I know it got I I know I gave the money and I know he was supposed to bring it to the new apartment and obviously it looks like he never got there and somehow it ended up over [ __ ] [ __ ] and he's the one that obviously brought it over there now what I will say is I I had heard you know certain things come out of his mouth and he was drunk um I just didn't take any heed to it because I didn't know this was way before I even found out she was missing and he was saying arms and legs and that's all I know but the problem is with this is I I don't want this to have came from me because he has family and if they even think that I ratted him up for a something what are you talking about he has family he has cousins and aunts and uncles and I I don't if I say hey I think that he did this you know let me tell you something right now I'm going to have a problem let me tell you something I'm not going to be able to live in Ohio anymore let me tell you something right now you already have a problem yeah obiously you have a problem that isn't going to go away and if you have information this is the title because the longer this goes on the more it looks like you're just doing whatever you can sa your SC no honestly I I I just and I don't care who you're afraid of listen be afraid of me be afraid of me don't be afraid you asked me to think about it you asked me and I I've been sitting here that's why I'm telling you you asked me to give you information one time when he was drunk he was talking about arms and legs yeah and I I don't I I don't know if has anything to do with this I don't know what you guys found in the freezer okay I I I don't know if it's connected I I just know you know I I I I thought I heard bit and pieces of conversations with him on the phone well whatever you got this is the time to say it I just don't know he was drunk talking about arms and legs isn't really moving the needle and I just I don't know I've heard bits and pieces of conversation okay well if you heard something you think is pertinent to this this is the time just about her being gone and I just what specifically just little like it was just bits in pieces and I didn't take any heed to it because I didn't think anything of it but okay it just you know little stuff like you know I don't want trainer to find out and you know um just stuff like you know just in in in yes you just stuff like that we like you know he didn't want me to find out and he do want to go to jail and it was an accident and stuff like that and I I don't know but I I I don't know if that has anything to do with anything like I I don't really know okay I don't know where any of this is coming from slow down was are you saying that you heard him say that he doesn't want you to find out and was an accident that's myor but I don't know what he was talking about you remember when you heard this now that her own freedom is on the line Leighton doesn't waste any time turning on noova I think I can't give you an exact dat like you know day day can you get me warm maybe like April any idea who you might have been talking to no okay that's the one thing when it comes to stuff on his phone keeps his phone locked I have no access to his phone I can't get in his phone yeah I can't see who he's talking to well um these were all problems with somebody who left you knowing exactly what he was up to you know what I mean like he you know what he did in the past you know what I mean so it's like you can only control what you can control but you got to decide he was just on such the straight and narrow if it's easier for you to just get along to go along because he's watching the kids I can understand that but in the meantime you know this is what's been happening okay so now we got to deal with this so and just you don't know who he was talking to you only heard bits and pieces I mean I I just heard bits and pieces I don't know who he was talking to because I can't get into his phone to you look you know um well it seems like this might be somebody who's a person of interest I mean it could have been Mike I don't I don't really know you know but I mean as far as all I alls I know from my KS he seems cool you know he doesn't he's always been nice to the kids you know my daughter's been at my mom's the whole summer doing papers cuz she earns money like that all right um I just I I don't know and the problem is is like I just wish I knew well if you don't know you don't know like I said I don't know that I can win this but with all the arrows pointing at you and I definitely put him in it would look pretty silly I don't arrest you right now my my problem is is that that charge right there MH I I don't know what to do to make it better because I didn't know that she was there I didn't know that she was in that freezer I don't know how to I don't I don't know how to prove my innocence I've never been through this listen like I said it's my job to prove that you're guilty not your job to prove your innocent you don't have to do anything but sit there I'll paray everything that I paray out in front of you it'll be very public everybody in the world will talk about it I may not win but I have to try because somebody has to get Justice for this girl whoever she is no and I I understand that completely it's just what what is freaking me out about this is if he did something and I had no knowledge of this and now she's in this freezon I had no I had no idea he put her there like what am I supposed to do how what do I do no I'm asking you because you're a father number one and number one this is America okay I I understand and nobody gets that this doesn't happen to people without your side of the story being told you will have your chances tell your side of the story you'll have a lawyer who looks out for you my guess is is if you talk to any lawyer they're going to tell you don't say anything in court because nothing you say sounds right it just doesn't the problem with this whole thing is no matter what we do to try to figure out a way to explain what what it just doesn't sound right you know mean just I I just know that for all the reasons that we talked about so what really makes sense here is is that either number one you killed her which is the easiest solution or number two he killed her and you aided with her disposal in whatever capacity but in either case the bare minimum I would expect to hear from you is the story of what happened even if it wasn't you because that alone see if I have the story of what happened from you I can then say listen she knew all about it she participated by doing this but I need her I need her to prove what he did all right if I had that much I would have something good B to you on but I don't have that much so would it in fact I do have here is I got a guy who's saying what freezer and it may very well be that I have it all wrong that he's keeping quiet for you because you killed her and I got it backwards you understand I could have it so wrong that that's not her that's why I'm saying if I at least knew it was her it would greatly streamline this whole situation but I can't even tell you right now sitting here looking at you right now I can't tell you s I can't so unless you can tell me Kaboom this is what happened I I wasn't there but this is what I heard uh him and Mike or him and whoever I forget that other kid's name Andrew I don't know but hey look his friend Andrew Andrew is who helped him burn the stuff he's been friends with and he wasw a long time ago yeah they they weren't speaking Yeah because he stole Andre stuff yeah and then I thought it was being a star no well he wasn't happy about the whole thing cuz he was friends with John too and he really didn't think much of what was going on I don't know if he knew you that well but he didn't like what star was doing to John yeah and I imagine knowing Andrew just in the short time I know he wouldn't approve of what Anthony was doing to you either because that's the kind of guy he is and he didn't really like burning the [ __ ] over there but he didn't think anything of it just like I wouldn't you break up with your ax he [ __ ] around on you so you burned his [ __ ] yeah that's the price except Anthony's not saying that he's saying it never happened just like he's saying he never about no freezer and it's Preposterous because now you could look at that a certain way and say he killed her and put her in that but you could also look at and say you had all the motive not him and he helped you and he may very well when he talks to a lawyer and they look at everything we have he may very well say all right here's what happened she couldn't take it no more me being with her and she came over here and killed her and then I was stuck out and to help clean up the body he could do that my my problem is my problem is you guys are saying that that this body is in a freezer and it might be hard it's going to take you said for however long to come back it's going to take a while we're I mean we're Dental DNA it's going to be a month and at least I I need I need basically to know what to do to be able to go home to my kids because I had nothing to do with this I had nothing here's what I'm going to tell you what do I do with everything I know right now you're going to be chared with abuse of a corpse and you're going to go tonight and in 30 days or so we'll know who she is hopefully it's her after that if it's not her this will keep rearing itself up this is an ugly thing that doesn't go away I just so what I'm telling you is this do what you want to do but if you're hanging tough for your man this is not the time no it's not that I've had this conversation in his room with other people this idiot had a girlfriend he's in a paper V over and this poor girl sitting over there with him no granted she participated but if she have said that day what was happening you think she'd be better or worse than she is today she's been in the county since February Leighton is desperate to avoid going to jail but unless she is able to give the detective a strong reason to believe that noova was completely responsible she is not going to be able to avoid spending time in a Cell I recently released another shocking case on my patreon this video shows the interview of a man who after being involved in the murder of a man and his wife later ended up shooting a 12-year-old boy in the head you can watch it right now at patreon.com stranger stories plus since before your problem started nobody's even talked to her she's been over there for six months and it's like she's not people don't even know who she is now it's like she dropped off the face of the Earth she has a little baby and nobody gives a [ __ ] you're going to be a 202 news cycle tomorrow and then people are going to forget who you were and the longer this goes on the more it looks like you're just doing what you got to do to save your own ass and I'm exhausted I don't have any other way to explain this to you if you don't want to talk about this and even if then if you don't know then I got to do what I got to do here that's where we're at okay I mean I'm sorry but it's been eight hours and nothing that's it that's all I got okay you may come out of this fine I kind of get the feeling you won't but you may it happens anyway um I'm going to send the girl in here I don't I don't know how to go about saying anything without well listen here's the other thing you can do okay let me tell you this one when you get charged with this you can go sit down with an attorney because they'll give you one even if you don't have one your own and you can tell them what's going on and he can tell you what to do or she and you can go there and you can try it that way you can do that in the meantime all this damage is done but whatever you want to do I mean that's you have options you have lots of options you are definitely not painted in a corner just like I told told you just because you said something 15 times doesn't mean you can't now say okay look this is what happened that's not but I got to go talk to some people about what I think happened here and right now what I think might happened here is you killed this girl I I didn't kill her okay well listen it's not that I don't believe you but I don't believe you you see what I'm saying because I have to keep that as a possibility I have I I didn't kill her okay I have to keep that as a possibility because right now you guys are neck and neck on the finish line here you know what I mean and what it's going to come down to is who says what first period that's what it always comes down to in these kinds of situations and you know what I I just don't know why I I don't know why if he's already being charged with that and there's obviously proof that he brought it over there I don't know why he wouldn't confess to it I don't know I don't know why he wouldn't tell us what we already know we have people that we have no reason we got people that are throwing up in their own house because they just thr the body okay you want to argue with them people and say they don't know what they're talking about no no I know no not you but I mean like what's what's the defense I've got other people and these are all friends of his I'm not talking about people that don't like him I'm talking about friends is so why you would do that I don't know but why you're in a spot you're in I can understand you're thinking that maybe it won't be so bad but it's so bad now we're past the park this thing reiting thing you got to know it's done right like no matter what happens after today this is done you and him you're not going to end up in the same place I don't think the detective lays everything on the line for Leighton there will be no happy ending for her and noova and the best she can hope for is to reduce the charges being made against her so I I just that's where it is K I mean I I can't listen we're in a this is about as serious as it gets right here and after that everything else is kind of like you're screwing around so that's it so unless you got that lightning bolt we got to go I am exhausted n right they call you anything about Katrina they call you TR Trina okay I got to go look up the number of this because we don't use it that often but it's what it say and um okay listen I don't want you to feel like I didn't try everything and no you know I I I went I tried everything here it's not that okay it's I mean I I can't think of one more thing to do to try to not make it look like what it is I I just I I feel like I got into a mess that I I didn't expect to get into well that's what everybody's saying that's what and I I don't that's what Andrew saying or Andrew's like I I think I helped him get rid of with that girl stuff because he he thought we were resting I don't I I I don't know how to get out of it because of the fact that I I know I didn't help him kill her okay and I know that I did not help dispose of a dead body okay I know that for a fact problem is you're the only one who knows that if it's true and and I I I don't know how to prove otherwise I I don't okay well Hey listen this is not an easy thing for me to prove either so like I said the job isn't for you to prove it it's for me to prove it I'm going to keep at this and I'm not going to stop so I mean in the end I might come up short I might but it won't be because I didn't work hard enough I'll keep working on it it's not done I'll tell you what I'm not done looking for her do I know it's her if I get charged with that though I mean what like basically I need to know like like I I know I didn't do that but if I end up stuck with [ __ ] charge like how like what do I get like what am I going to get like jail time like what is this you don't have to worry about that until until you get convicted I mean we got to convict you first what you got I have no proof that I didn't do this that's my not for you to Pro it's not for you to prove it's for me to prove that's not your problem it's my problem that's my problem not your problem you understand here the burd on me to prove this not you but you can sit there and do nothing I'm the one that's got to prove it I I just I I know that I I don't know if that if that freezer was ever at the new house ear they don't I I thought he took it over Hey listen that might have been like I said that might have been a mitigating factor that hey look I just know that but I I just know that he was acting really weird a couple weeks ago he he just kept I you know he was out realate I asked him what he was doing he said don't worry about he' be home soon and he wasn't at work he wasn't at work who was he with um I thought he was with Mike because like you know usually sometimes he's out like well Mike does Mike not drive no he doesn't drive his mom drives he drives him she drives yeah okay and I don't know if maybe they took the freezer from the new house over to Kenny's I I don't know I I I wasn't there thing I don't know at this point I don't know that the freezer ever got there if I don't know if you bought that freezer when you said you did I have no proof that it was ever there the best I can tell you is I knocked on your door I looked around that back room outside of your apartment that storage area and that same day all this happened so cause and effect I knock on the door and they start moving kit so I I just know that I I mean for all I know that that thing was in the house already and I mean I don't know I don't know I'm not I'm not going to lie to you I don't I don't even know positively that he killed her you know what I mean yeah I got you I I don't I don't either CU I don't know that's her I I but I know that I you know I gave them money to buy it and obviously I never got there and next time I know you're saying that it's over at keny's with the body in it and there's no explanation for that other than he bared over there and I mean I didn't kill her and she was gone before I even moved in okay so I but I don't my problem is is I I don't know how to prove any of this I don't know to you're talking about you don't know how to prove that to me right now so you don't go to jail it's not that you don't know how to prove anything in the future because you don't have to I I do so what you're saying is your your problem that you as you see it is you don't know how to prove for me I well because of the fact that I didn't do anything so I don't I don't know how to even get out of this mess to go home to my kids because I don't yeah I I didn't do what you're approaching me with the first thing that you've done since you've been in here that makes sense to me that I feel normal about is is you're asking me what you got to do to go home tonight because you know what happens when people come in here no matter how bad it is no matter how bad it is they want to know what they can do to go home tonight they don't care about the rest of their lives they want to know how do I go home tonight I I'm just and they're always screw the rest of my life how do I go home tonight so that's the first thing you said to me that I feel comfortable with the I'm just really that I'm normal I'm used to really I'm really scared for my kids I'm scared for them too because of the fact that I didn't do that I'm scared for them too but for the grace with god this is my son when I see your son I think of my son and that's what I mean like okay you know when you brought us in here tonight I didn't know what was but on the other hand I'm also thinking of Jill son no who they're trying to explain to what the hell the police are doing in their basement right now no I I I understand that I understand that there's a Common Thread through here and my my freezer should have never even been over there with a body and it no it shouldn't be it it shouldn't have been it shouldn't be but it is well it was yeah well thank God for that because of the fact that Jill son does not need to be exposed to anything like that no and poor kid was I mean you know this kind of thing happens all the time it's a matter how you're going to handle it and there's a right way and a wrong way to handle this and I don't really think we're going about this the right way but I I my my my problem is is that I I don't know how to go about it the right way CU I've never dealt with anything like this I've never in my life been in a situation like this well let me ask you this if you stop all this and you think about what happened what do you think the right thing to do is now the great thing about these situations is there's right and wrong and nowhere is it more black and white what's right and what's wrong and if you can't see it here then you just can't see it I I and there's no hope for you I can tell you the little bit that I do know and hopefully it'll clear things up this is black and white I mean this is good and evil black and white live and die it's really that simple if you're asking me at this point if do I think he killed her I mean I need to know what you're asking me I need a specifically what do you know about what happened to her I know I know personally I know that when like I said I'm going to start from the beginning I know personally when I got there all her stuff was WR and I didn't know where she went or anything like that um I know that you know like I said I heard conversations on the phone um I I didn't really know what he was talking about um I had like a feeling like I had a feeling that she was dead but it just kind of really freaked me out because me and the kids were already living in the house and we're already there and I had no proof that she was actually dead and I asked Anthony I asked Anthony at one point if he killed her and he said no okay and I said are you sure you know just tell me if you did and you said no I didn't I swear she left with some guy and I said okay and I left it alone because just the thought of it you know just freaked me out and he obviously wasn't going to admit to me if he did anything this was before she was reported this and this is before she was reported missing so when she was reported missing and all the [ __ ] started then what I I kept telling him I said aun you got to call it detective you got to call it detective yeah you know I said just talk to them I said I don't I don't really know I said I mean noova was the one directly responsible for graves's death but Leighton was involed D with every other step like nearly every other suspect in her position she is going to attempt to place all of the blame on no over he was like well I'm just going to look guilty and this and that because I was the last person to saw her I was like just call a detective I was say just talk to them just talk to them I said you have to talk to them he was like well I tried calling the other detective and that's why I told you he was trying to call the other detective that's what he told me yeah yeah I don't know if he I know the one time he did I don't know if he ever called him again and he just kept saying that he called the test he couldn't get through nobody was calling you back yeah and then finally you had gotten a hold of them and I came yeah and it went down hill from there so in all this time while things were unraveling cuz you had to feel the pressure building on this you had to because it was getting worse the longer it went on and I mean it's actually like a relief he he's probably over there right now sleeping like a baby I had because he's not worried about it anymore but I had I I still have no proof like you know solid proof but I I always have like just a suspicion okay like like a gut instinct well you're good it's good that you had a suspicion because all these things look the certain way the problem is is that when we get involved all these things look another way that you probably weren't even thinking about how it was looking like you did something no I don't think as this was going on you ever thought you were going to end up sitting room did you no it just never dawned on me like or the fact that what he was doing had left such a trail that led to you I it just never like buying a freezer just didn't D me that I mean you bought a freezer for a guy and no big deal it was going to be yours I bought a freezer for the house right it was going to be yours and you know but you know listen when you tell this story how it goes how it goes it's not great you know so I mean I I would be seriously I would seriously not be doing my job if I let this go the way it is and let you walk out here I mean I would not be doing my job and I I really don't feel like just the whole situation scared me I understand the whole situations scared me listen I get all of that if you told me right now this is what really happened I would completely understand you because this kind of thing doesn't happen to most people every day just because I go through it 12 times a year doesn't mean you do so I listen I totally understand and I'm tired and I've been in here and I'm getting a little hnery and all that but I'm not mad at you I got my work cut out for me I got a lot of stuff to do so what I got to do is I got to do a here here's my thing I I have a feeling it's I have a feeling it's I have a feeling it's I just I have no proof no I know I have a feeling it's her too I have no proof I have a feeling it's her too that I mean I feel the same way um I really don't like the thought of locking you offer this but I really at this point given all the facts and circumstances as they are right now I think it's the right thing to do and it's not something I enjoy doing I can tell you that right now I would much rather have you on my team what I mean what else but there's still time no I I there's still time you can you can talk to an attorney and I don't maybe you guys come up with something or maybe they just say wait it out everything will be okay my problem is is that I don't even want to go the attorney route because listen I'm not going to tell you you know what I got a saying I like to stay in this room until you tell me the truth or you ask for an attorney and I don't like to walk out that door until I have the truth or you ask me for an attor so what I'm going to ask you to do right now is this stop everything else two things tell me what happened or ask for an ATT the interview has lasted long enough and if Leighton isn't willing to give him any new information the detective is ready to call it a day he already has plenty of evidence to build a case against both Leighton and noova because I'm not going to be able to rest knowing that I didn't stay in here as long as I possibly could with you so which way is it going to be you're there I can see it I can look at you right now and tell that you are about had it with this cuz I am too I I just either tell me the truth or ask for an attorney please so we can end this because this has been way too long even I think you've been in this room F I just I'm I'm really scared that I'm going to go to jail or something I didn't do okay so what does that mean would you like me to call you an attorney I I don't know we got the honey this works okay I've never been through this before all right I don't I don't here's how this works tonight you'll go over to the jail you'll be there all day tomorrow Monday morning you'll have what's called an initial appearance you'll appear in Municipal Court will ask you to plead most likely you will bed not guilty they will assign you a lawyer at some point that lawyer will come and talk to you and in about one week we will have a preliminary hearing to see if there are enough facts and circumstances as we've laid out to Warrant you being sent to the bigger Court to face this charge now in the meantime we're going to be ga in evidence and this and that and the other Anthony may want to talk I don't know what's going to happen I don't know if anything more is going to point to you so I can't tell you that the case is going to get better or worse I will tell you that I will keep working every possible lead to do one of two things because I have two jobs to either catch you for what you did or free you for what you didn't do I have two jobs now in the meantime you're going to go over there um but before we do that one of two options here tell me you want to stop talking you want to speak to an attorney or tell me what it is you've been holding back because if there's one thing I know from being in this room with you this long you've got something that you're not telling me and I don't know how bad it is at this point it really doesn't matter however bad it is things are going to instantly get better when you tell me so one or the other okay cuz it's it's like 3:00 I think I know it's 3:00 I know okay I just what do you want to do I want to be able to go home to my kids and I be charged for something that I didn't do I understand that's what I want to go to do I cannot tell you that that's going to happen so that being said would you like to tell me what you know or would you like me to call you the I'm not going to be mad at you either way I I I know honestly I just kind of want this to be over I know okay so so either tell me what it is that's killing you because you're all fisted up over there I'm trying or you tell me you want to talk to somebody else and don't forget you could talk to somebody else and then decide to talk to me but you have to De with them we can't ever talk again like this I just feel I I feel feel like no matter what I say you're going to lock me up regardless even though I do anything wrong well this is where I tell you what I told you a minute ago about the people who are worried if they're going home tonight shortsighted people are worried about if they're going home tonight people with a plan and usually a family are worried about what they could do to control that damage I can't tell you you're going to go home tonight and I won't um but I can tell you this I can't say anything on your behalf if I don't know what it is you have to say so I can't go to anybody and say look she says this but or she did this but she helped with that I can't I can't do that if I don't know it you understand that right yeah I can't do anything to try to you know obviously I need your help or I wouldn't be sitting in here with you I just I don't want it to even get back in I said anything okay here's the thing you have to know this whatever we say we'll get back to him because that's how it is and here's the other thing it's not going to be any one person it's going to be a collection of people you understand this problem doesn't go away if you don't talk to me right now I don't and you go to jail his problem doesn't go away I know I his problem is way bigger than you I know now you may have that one last piece of the puzzle that I need that really finishes it off and you don't want to do that but by yourself you understand that without Kenny I don't even have a body Kenny's really worried Kenny's shaking over there Kenny is a nervous wreck and so is his wife and his kids a basket case because they're all kind of worried about what's going to happen to them you know who's looking after for them the camel police yeah okay so listen last time I'm going to ask you because I'm exhausted do you want to tell me what happened or do you want to learn I'll tell you the rest of what I do know Leon is grudgingly ready to add to her story but there is still enough hesitance in her voice to show that she isn't going to be entirely truthful and hopefully all hold listen to me I can't keep this up all night so if you got something to say you need to say it and we can't do this all night okay I can't do this with you all night I'm tired and I know you are it's just when I moved in there yeah I thought it was really strange you know that there was a car there was a dog that there was all this stuff like you know just it was just strange that her car was still there her dog was still there you know he's only that she's taken off she's done this before I I I didn't think anything of it like I said I I don't have solid proof you know that he did anything I I just I I don't I I can't say that he did any I I can't I can't say that he did it okay and I don't but I I don't know where he I mean you guys know he found bits and pieces I I don't know when this would have happened I don't know if it happened on the way from aan I don't I mean he used to go to the bar with her the way home from a he used to go like out like to the she worked at a St Club yeah I don't know you know if something happened between when they got to a fight and he dumped her body I don't I I don't know I I don't know I I just know that you know she was leaving him like she was leaving and I don't know how he's took okay he but when I moved in there he seemed fine with everything he seemed calm he seemed like nothing was wrong you telling me that something happened in the car and way home from ha I I don't know okay I'm asking you what you're telling me because you just pitched out a totally totally new scenario that you haven't said up until now I I just I don't know if that's what happened and did he get the with her in the car in the way home and dump her body then have to go get it is that what you're sounding saying here I don't I I mean does it could be what is that what happen because you that's a that is such an abstract thing to pull out but the good thing about it is this nobody put that in your head in this room so if you're saying that I I just that is such an oddball thing to pull out of your butt to say that it's believable I feel like it's a possibility okay why would that be a possibility I mean just because they used to both get Dr all the time coming over the did he tell you something happen on the way the bar and then he dumped the body somewhere he didn't see that he dumped it but he said that they added to an argument on the way home from the bar yeah and what happened and he just said that they are to argument and I asked him you know what happened and and he said nothing you know just everything's fine and then like shortly after that's when we moved in and she was nowh to be found and I hadn't seen her since okay and it I just don't know I I don't know so on the way home from the bar they got an argument you don't know what happened no now you also said something about did he dump her body somewhere could that happen now the between here and a how many millions of places could that happen so that makes sense and if he was gone with Mike for a long time after he bought that freezer I just I mean I talked up to work I you know I talked understand I don't I don't know listen to me I just Katrina what you just said is so far away from what you've been saying you understand okay so look at me do you want to tell me everything you know or do you want an attorney because you are about you're 85% okay do you want to tell me everything you want you don't or do you want an auor because for you to go that far down that road and hit the brakes it's just crazy he never admitted to doing anything and there was no proof said heed anything but then I heard stories I I saw on Facebook that uh somebody saw her arguing with a male friend leaving a house party um I heard that you know basically that she got into a fight with another guy Leighton tries to redirect the detective's attention to a possible fight between Graves and another man but a fight between Graves and noova is more believable to the detective after all it is Nova's freezer where she was found like at a house party an a like that there was I don't remember the exact details but it was another post on Facebook you got a fight with a guy in aan you I don't know if it was exactly aan but it was that's usually the only place they were at was because she stripped out in a so I just assumed that and I asked him I said did you get into a fight with her you know like is like this does this have anything to do with you because so you saw that before well no I saw this post afterwards and but then it said that she had rep or yeah and then it said that she hadn't been seen since so you saw a post on Facebook that said somebody saw her at a house party supposedly a house party I don't know maybe a I don't I don't know and she was fighting with a guy yeah and like gu said he's never admitted to what he thinks so I can't I I can't have any idea where that post is it's um let me think it's under one of her missing pages something that she posted something the true post yeah oh I hate to hear that because it said but so I don't I don't even know if it was a SE I don't but I don't know if it was the same night but it was um it said something about she left a message she tried calling her ex and he didn't answer and surea said he wished he seen the message earlier and that's but it was like it just a it was on like one of the I don't have me access to my Facebook otherwise I got you I got you okay and it was on there okay so listen I mean I I might have to get an attorney I don't I don't know because I don't have enough information for you I don't have exactly what you're looking for I don't think I don't really know I think I think you do I think you do it just I think you have the ability he never flat right admitted anything I think when you start talking about rides from Aur and fights in cars and bodies dump I think you have the right information I just I don't know what you think I don't I don't know why why would would go that far down that road and stop but and like I said it's it's really late so I just I don't know so honestly I I can't I can't see that he killed her he didn't admit me that he killed her okay I'm just asking what what I don't know but okay so at at the same time at this point do I think well we all think that he had something to do with it obviously but the problem here is it also looks like you would have something to do with it and at the very least you'd be part of it you know what I mean so you know I'm asking you here's here's what I will tell you I'm asking you for here's what I will tell you during any of this time between between February and now I started working in May I started working in May um I got my car beginning of May and I wasn't driving as of June because the tags were bad so I didn't have any type of vehicle to get around except for the bus for my mom yeah I I ride with Mike's mom like once or twice just a couple times I had to pay her for gas to get back and forth to work um I never saw anything suspicious in her car but I don't if Mike for any reason shape or form would be involved in this I don't think You' would get his mom involved in this I don't I don't see himself getting involved in this I got this for you she's in I don't I don't so I I don't see like and this thing I'm talking about just happened recently so if you're talking about April this be after that so there wasn't nothing to say no I was say she's older so I don't really know if she's involved surprises me is the story about riding home from a and a figh in the car I mean that's interesting it just I I know they got into an argument I I he said everything was fine um do you know when the last time she worked in acon was from what I'm hearing it's February I I don't know personally because I've never been out there I mean do you know about what time of the month it was Lon continues to Waffle during her story acting as if it is possible that noova did not kill Graves um because you you moved in I was there the I was there the end of February okay well and she was wasn't there the last day she worked was the end of February up in a and she doesn't she didn't go there anymore after that but she didn't quit she just stopped showing up so you're talking about something that happened in a fight in a I'm very interested in it I know I I know that I know that um she was still around on my birthday in in Valentine's Day and that's why I said I remember that it wasn't then because I was still at my old place right um because I know she didn't have very long after that though where she totally disappeared off the face of the earth I I know I had I know I I know some time at the end of February where I had the landlord had showed up and I had three days to get out well that was actually March was it March MH you were out by the eth okay well I knew somewhere was in that area he pulled his records up now that's not something that you would necessarily remember but because he was going to send the B us over to Tasha out the street he knew what the dates were well yeah because we had agreed by that one day whatever date that was when he came over when he came over does see about that Anthony was there with you he said I'll have her out of here yeah he was he was before when I said he was there to save you and all that stuff you said you didn't need saving and all that I I get you but the impression that the landlord got was he was there to get you out of your mess so that's I'm basing what I said on not that you necessarily need him but in that situation he had a chance to do something for you when he had done so much against you I I I now my guess is is Shannon's already de dead at that point because that would have been I think the day that he was over there with you that the landlord came was the day he was also burning her [ __ ] so okay I mean there's a nice little timeline there I the problem is is the time line doesn't account for did you kill her or did he kill her and you know well I I have I have witnesses as to where I was okay I I have witnesses as to where I was that whole time okay the reason I mean just in that whole time period between March and and February because of the fact that um pretty much the whole month of March I was babysitting my niece's till very late at night cuz my sister was in the hospital um so I had them for like a good couple months straight my my sister-in-law had surgery to reverse her closy bag and it didn't go well and she had really sick and I was babysitting cuz I wasn't working at the time I was babysitting while my brother was working I expected there on this time period down a little further and to have one very specific day I'm looking at I'm not quite there yet but that's the thing as time goes things like phone records and where you were they're all coming into Play Because when your phone records come back and his phone records come back and her phone records come back you know you're going to see where she stops using her phone you're going to see where it went off where it went you're going to see if it's still remain there at the house and got continue to be used no and that's why I said I did use the black phone even if well that's not the only phone she had even if um there is no stoppage you will definitely see a change in pattern of who people call and that that's what happens and no matter what you do with it the thing leaves a nice DPS raail where you're at so all these things are out they're still working I just the great thing about those are they work to either really screw you or really help you I mean that's truth it's the same as DNA DNA either really helps me or really screws me the last I knew the last I knew was that true turn off her on 5 phone I don't know exactly when that was but I knew that she had used Anthony's black phone afterwards yeah um but like I said the phone was at the house when I moved in and I used it because my phone was off Len totally understandable it's his phone he can let anybody use it he wants I only had Wi-Fi you know what I mean yeah I don't even really remember exactly when I got mine turned back on so do me a favor here want to talk to lawyer I mean do I do I do I need to do I i' like to end this so if you say lawyer I can end this the detective gives Leighton an opportunity to stop the interview and seek legal counsel before she incriminates herself further but she isn't wise enough to take his offer because I'm I'm like exhausted here I mean I guess you know yeah I I guess I don't know what else to do I don't know what else to do all right I just wanted to be able to go with my babies tonight all okay just that's all I I needed to do really I needed to re my son that you know she's ready to go to the county I think so too I okay you gave you a chance okay thank you I can't do it myself it's a crazy thing I don't I don't understand why you keep saying get any other chance oh what we're saying is this just okay Anthony says you don't know nothing about no freezer you understand what I'm saying look at me I didn't kill her you say you don't know nothing about no freezer why would he say that you found the freezer at Kenny's house you said what I said you found you said you found the freezer at Ken's house listen he said he doesn't know nothing about a freezer noova is fully prepared to let Leighton take the fall fortunately for her noova is the one left the freezer with friends which is additional proof that he is lying he said he never bought a freezer no freezer ever never took it to the house never happened these H you know anymore telling me that you found her body freezer at Kenny's house I don't even go to Kenny's house I gave them money to buy one I don't know what they did I assumed it was I I wanted a new freezer for the house because we needed it for the fridge in the freezer he's going to say he doesn't know nothing about no freezer and you're making that up well then how did her how did her body get in the freezer over the kitty exactly I don't I don't know that I mean it was of money I thought he was buying one I I don't I don't know you gave him money to buy a freezer and there's a freezer it was supposed to be at the new house that's all I know I know I didn't [ __ ] kill her I have kids I have a job I know I didn't kill her I don't know how she you understand that all he's got to do they say you killed her it's all he's got to do but I don't know how she got there try you realize all he's got to do is say that all he's got to do is trade you for him that's it that's where he's at right now and he's kind of showed his whole here what he's doing he's already saying he don't know nothing about no freezer you didn't say you didn't know nothing about no freezer I'm not going to lie you guys be with krina you see where this going you understand we're at the end of this road so supposed to do just tell the truth I don't care what you said before just tell the truth tell us what you know about everything stop doing this and just tell the truth it's not going to get better no I I I know that okay I just know I gave him the the money to buy the freezer I thought TR tell me everything you know about everything it's the only way to fix this I just know what he told me I don't know what he did tell me what he told you when I moved in tell me what he told you when when I moved in he told me that she was gone that she left with some guy in his car and that I'm sorry and she left some guy and she took all her stuff and then said she was going to be back for the dog and then she never came back for the dog and he said that they had an agreement about the car that he was going to drive the car until she came back for it and then she didn't go back to the car either and because I had a blown head gasket I didn't think anything of it cuz I had a blown head gasket and then I mean we just started and like whatever and next thing I know I mean I was always like a little suspicious but did he tell you he burned the stuff no I he burned the stuff I went through it you pulled her bracelet out of the fire huh I I asked them though here's the thing what did he say here's the thing asked him if you her stuff I told him I would hear rumors and that you guys said you found stuff and he said that he didn't know nothing about that and that he didn't burn anything told meing up you're you're leaving yourself wide open on this thing I'm just telling you what he told me okay but what I'm saying is you're leaving yourself wide open on this thing you understand this looks like you did it and he helped you I know that's what it looks like and me sitting here trying to be impartial I can't assume he killed her I can't he was getting what he wanted from her the only person would motive here was you hun you understand you see what I'm saying I get I mean why would I even do something like that I have my kids I have [ __ ] your boyfriend you understand how many people in jail for that the same thing on top of any other damn thing she did to you she was [ __ ] your boyfriend it's not complicated it's real simple she took what was yours CU she was a piece of [ __ ] yeah that doesn't make me kill her no you're right I didn't I was I situation I like her but I understand that you got to understand what it looks like she screwed your boyfriend then she disappeared and now you got all her [ __ ] and she's in your freezer that he says he don't know nothing about what I got stuff was already there H this girls in your freezer I know and he don't know nothing about a freezer just tell me what happened it's got to be better than what it looks it can't be as bad as it looks I mean I didn't it cannot be as bad as it looks can it I don't I don't know anymore Katrina did you kill her no okay and I didn't bring that freezer in Kenny's either krina did you take her apart no did you put her in that freezer no did you put her in Kenny's house no I didn't even go to Kenny's okay tell me what did happen because nothing you're saying is making no sense you can't you can't leave it like this like I said I don't I don't I don't know I don't even know what to say because say something I didn't know I bought the freezer and I what me know I gave him the money and I thought it was at new house you're telling me you let him have a house after he ran all around on you he's got a whole apartment that only he has access to that you don't go to I just didn't have a way to get over there I take the bus Everywhere You Go Everywhere I take I go to work he just got done screwing this girl behind your back and as far as you know unless you killed her she's alive why the [ __ ] wouldn't you go over there and check you're going to let this guy have his own place and you're going to pay for it no we were we were going to move into the new apartment together Katrina you're going to ask me to believe that you're paying the rent on this guy's Fu pad after you ran around on you I have no choice you do have a choice you have all kinds of choices when I moved in there when I moved in there that was the only place for me to go yeah and I thought we were going to be trying to fix things and I was paying the r because that was a place for me to stay I didn't have any I didn't have enough money saved up for like you know security deposit and rent and all this to actually get my own place I the the leer at the old house showed up in three and I had three days to get out of my old house that's right now you were paying his rent and your rent on your place that you're not at I've only been paying and you don't know I've only been pay the rent there unless you know she's dead cuz you killed her for all you know he's going over there talking to her when you're at work you don't know it doesn't make any sense nobody's going to look at what you say and think it's reasonable nobody see what I'm saying Leighton is cornered but she still can't bring herself to admit How Deeply she was involved John scar is going to come in here and say that they were working their problems out right before she disappeared and that he wasn't getting back with you that he quit chasing her because she asked him to give him some time to make things work with Anthony and then all of a sudden she's in a [ __ ] freezer do you understand what this looks like I know you know who looks like they killed him s my kids I didn't kill her you understand you are swearing this on your kids because when you go you I didn't you understand what's going to happen to you I didn't you're going to go over there and you're not going to come back for a long time I didn't kill her Katrina I didn't kill her I'm telling you the truth I didn't kill her what am I supposed to do give a something to work with this guy's talking about he don't know nothing about the freezer why would he do that did you guys not ask Kenny I don't know this I didn't okay okay what I mean did can you I tell you brought the freezer to his house absolutely he also told me who's been to his house too the last time I was at the house was I don't remember what day it was I stopped there I was I know it was a Tuesday because I was dropping my slips off for work so I know it was a Tuesday I don't remember exactly what Tuesday but it was I don't know it was like a maybe two weeks ago I I don't know I walked in my bag of stuff that I had left there that my friend gave me I picked that up from when him and Isaiah were over there and he handed me anon's cord for his computer and he said bring this back to him when you go back over there when you go back home and that's what I did was the freezer there and then I don't I don't I don't know I really don't I didn't I mean I didn't see it upstairs it wasn't nowhere's upstairs so I I don't know I thought he bought it brought it to the new house cuz that's what I wanted to do I wanted to buy the freezer have it as a backup for the fridge of the freezer and and that's was anybody living in your new place what do you mean like in the whole building at all in your new place in in your Ravenwood in my apartment no are you sure as far as I know there wasn't I mean I didn't have he has both sets of as you can see from his keychain he has both sets of keys to the apartment he has keys we don't know what's the what but he has keys and you see my set keys are only in one place and that's the apartment that I just left because I was planning on walking back in the house when I got done here I mean why would I say make sure the door locked if I can't get back in if I don't have keys it's Common Sense keys I have are the [ __ ] apartment that I'm staying at right now I don't even have keys to get in the new house you look at his key right there why don't you have keys to house cuz he has my keys he want me to lose him he said if we look at his keys key read what I was going to say there's two sets of keys that should be exactly the same because and those are the keys to rbo yes I don't have any keys to Rainbow I'm telling you I didn't kill this girl I don't know how she got K's house I didn't kill her had Anthony never told you anything about anything about what he did to her no and I just I don't even I don't even know that I mean I don't know who else goes to to Kenny's you know you know what I mean I I don't know I don't know I mean he's sitting there tell you guys he knows nothing about a freezer I haven't been to my new house except for the last time when we went to pick up the tires I don't go over there a lot I work too much while there is no doubt that Leighton helped Nova to some extent some of his actions indicate he may have been planning for her to take the blame for the murder all along what am I supposed to I'm trying to work with you I'm trying I'm more I'm beyond patient on this thing but tell you got understand the story you're telling makes no goddamn sense and when I look at you and I look at him you got the motive to kill him he doesn't you know what I'm saying you got remember I do home health and and I also have two kids that I'm trying to build a life for why would I kill this girl why would I kill her for real cuz she's banging your boyfriend me and Anthony started talking months after they got together yeah and I mean he was with her that I mean so I mean he's dead now in your freezer probably because he helped out with that in some way and we're trying to get to that but you're you're not helping her I I because I don't I don't know what to tell you guys I don't know how she got there I I I didn't put her there listen this is it you're leaving you're going for a ride this is it right now this is your moment what you do in the next 30 seconds is going to depend what happens to the rest of your life to probably your kids I I understand okay I'm trying not to panic because I'm not I don't want you to panic I mean I'm trying not to I don't want you to panic but you're going to you're going to go over there and that's going to be it I know but I'm going to ja something I didn't do okay I didn't kill her all right no reasonable alternative right what do you mean you don't have any reasonable explanation for why This Woman's in your freezer I mean obviously to me put her there okay obviously thanks but if Anthony did it then he needs to fess up to it not if he didn't do it not if you did it and he's helping you then he doesn't need to fess up to it and he has his rights too you understand and Ste okay he didn't buy a freezer you did he didn't buy an apartment you did we agreed he was getting what he wanted from her and you why would he kill her but we agreed to this apartment together so what you guys agreed together that you'd pay for everything that was huge of him very big of him we agreed that we were going to get a bigger place and you'd pay for it I had the money at the time was he paying for it now what do you mean no he has to he pay for anything he has to pay other than using his dead girlfriend's Direction card has he done anything for you he just paid um he just paid the car insurance on my car and he was supposed to be paying the landlord this R money for the place we're in right now to get a caught up because the lease is up in September so he was supposed to be paying that stuff and I was taking care of like the rent that's already paid I was taking care of instead of what he was supposed to be doing what is he do anything me other than using his dead girlfriend's Direction card to help you what's he doing for you other than telling us he don't know nothing about the freezer but his dead girlfriend in it I mean B I was just under the assumtion that we were getting back on our feet you're not getting back on your feet because I was it's not going to be okay I was trying to past off he's I he's going to jail and so are you I have money put away for stuff you know what I mean he's going to go to jail so are you you're not going to get back on your feet that's not going to happen now that's done they tell you I didn't kill her okay you got to tell me something because if you don't you got to go because I don't know if you killed her okay the detective is more than ready for the interrogation to end Leon isn't going to help herself and allowing her to continue to lie isn't going to help the investigation all I mean it's down to this it's either you killed him killed her or he did well I don't after that it's just I know I know I didn't do it I just don't know how to prove that I didn't do it because you guys are saying just because I bought a freezer I mean but I'm not the one that brought over to Kenny's house either you can ask KY I didn't bring that freezer to the house I was home with the kids I mean what freezer and how would you know you were home with the kids when it happened because I'm always home with my kids if I'm not working I'm home with my kids I don't go anywhere I don't do anything you can ask my mom you can ask anybody that knows me you still got the receipt for the freezer he has it oh he has it I don't have it where would it be I don't I don't know I don't know what he has on him it could be anywhere so it could be in his box at home it could be in his wallet could be anywhere I don't even know if he kept the receipt I didn't ask I didn't think I didn't you know I was just buying a freezer for the house understand you could be in a freezer does it even occur to you that you could be in a freezer no it it even occur me do [ __ ] well is it occurring to you now just okay you'd fit in the freezer too you know and so with your children your son's out there talking about a story he's supposed to tell us know the story what do you mean I don't know my kid has all kinds of stories okay and no I mean I don't I don't know what he meant by that like I don't know what would be my son said said he has a story no I mean I'm misunderstanding what you just said my you said my son what I'm saying is is you could go in the freezer too I got but apparently we ain't got no problem putting people in freezers around here so that's the world you're living in I I do well I got a big problem with it well I'm going to jail for ask fing do if you bought you bought this this freezer was bought in July right yes where possibly could she have been in in another freezer you bought this one I don't know I know that I mean we have food in our at home and our freezer she couldn't have been in your place at home then right no she wasn't there and all that because I used the freezer you have another freezer at the uh place on Ravenwood no there's there's a there's a um there's a fridge in a stove upstairs that the landlord was going to give us but I mean I just you know I didn't bring it downstairs yet like it need they need it cleaned and stuff and then Anthony said it was really gross and you know people up there that moved out like the whole place listen we're trying to think of every way that you could not be involved in this try to clear your damond but I'm not seeing it okay she gets a freezer a couple of weeks ago then where was she up until that you know what I mean like she's been gone a while so there would have to be another place where he had her if assuming that you and her him didn't know this and she wasn't in that apartment and why are you asking me if if that I take her apart why are you even asking me that because she's not one piece what do you mean she's not one you just said there a girl in the freezer yeah well you know what she's in the freezer but she isn't in all one nice big piece anymore oh my God God so you see what I'm saying and there's a meat cleaver at your house too he's had that forever he's had that like I mean like for as long as I've known him and then so if if it's the same one he's had that like forever he used to be like what you consider like one of those jugl I guess you call them what what they call it jug I I don't even know what that is I I think it's a person that likees music I don't really know I used to know that a long long time ago like before I met him he was into that jug to think for one minute that you aren't the one that killed her he went and got this freezer that you gave the money for you don't know nothing about and he told you that he took it to the apartment but it ended up and cam we would have to assume that he went somewhere where she was took her in something that he couldn't move put her in there where would that be Mom's no hell no moms where would you put a body for months she had to be on office I I don't I don't no right I you see what I'm saying I just when you're trying to think of other things to keep you out of it I mean I I if you can give us a place where he might have kept that kept her until he got this I mean how do I know you got it in July how do I know you didn't get it in March when you moved in with the fre the whole time the re somewhere I just I I don't know because he's don't know nothing about no freezer you see what I'm saying the only reason that we even think you bought it she Li CU you said so the detectives know that noova is the one behind the murder but they are allowing Leighton to believe that they think she killed Graves so she will panic and give them the details they need for their case against noova how I know you didn't buy when you moved in because there was a dead girl on the floor and you didn't want your kids falling over you see what I'm saying I get it I knocked on the door on July 17th and on July 17th that part he moved all the way to camel I you know you one of the days when I was knocking on the door everybody was playing hide-and-seek with me was the day that the was the day that the body got I'm being honest with you guys so the only reason I don't open that door is cuz what was going on with him okay but how do I know it's not because that freezer was on the other side of the door with a girl in it and you were like cuz that's SP I would have been you see what I'm saying I'm knocking on the door and there's a dead girl in there you got to be like [ __ ] I mean I get it I get it I I get where you guys are coming from I mean wait how do I know you bought the thing in July because I how I know you didn't buy the apartment in July so you'd have a place to hide the [ __ ] thing cuz it's in your apartment I just you did not move because of your Shannon security deposit that you were lost you're not moving because you got a body in there what are you supposed to do with it I just got I got the apartment early because of the fact that it was the only thing I found for understand it looks like you got an apartment that had a body in because you didn't know anything else in there but if that was the case why wouldn't the freezer be at the apartment then and not at Kenny's I don't I don't know I don't know how it got to Kenny's I don't I don't have a car I don't even have a driveable car I don't have any way to get around I take the bus everywhere if you guys haven't noticed don't have a car it's still an impound haven't even been able to take it out out cuz it's not even worth the money it's over 200 I can't get a license are you saying are you saying he's been using you I mean I don't I I I didn't think he was I thought we were trying to you know work on everything and and build everything again I thought we were trying to work you're paying all the bills you're paying all the bills he tells you you've done all the work I mean I was working before him though and then he got this job just recently because he has to his own information I mean he needed a job anywhere regardless I can't you know really what do you do now watch the kids all the time and used your money but when when you had it and when you didn't right I mean I'm trying to F for you here I'm trying to understand the let me ask this during the eight years we were together well8 this summer 7 before he met this chick I mean a lot of the time it was more less I just I already had a steady job so it was easier for him to stay home with the kids because with you and then when it was around tax time he'd get back with you because he knew you were getting a big settlement no we always not a settlement but a big tax return no we we dealt with each other for seven years straight we I mean we had our problems you know we had our disagreements and stuff like that like any person does in a relationship you're with this guy for all this time and when you're in a relationship for a long time when people were doing this to it's easy to not care or just not even notice what's happening to you but for me it was you know what's going on here for me it was just easier because I had a babysitter that was there all time about what he did cuz you had a babysitter I just it for him what we got is a guy who moves dead girls around in freezer well for him not working it wasn't a big deal for me because my mom at the time she couldn't help babies to the kids all the time I didn't have anybody I'm not from here I'm from Connecticut I don't talk to people I know very little people you've been here for eight years you're from here now I've been here 14 years Okay you're from here now well now I am you're in Ohio well okay technically yeah technically when you live somewhere for a decade you live there but I I you look I don't hang around with people I don't I have very little friends oh my God I I don't understand you I just I keep to myself I work all the time I take care of my kids listen that's what you're supposed to do I you're supposed to take care of your kids and go to work I don't care yeah you got a guy who just put a girl in a freezer now is it because he's covering for you no okay then tell me what happened because this doesn't go away boyfriend girl freezer I I I know doesn't go away and it all points at you bet Leighton is about to completely break down nothing she says has changed her position with the detectives and she will not be going home tonight I mean my God he's over here talking about what freezer you understand what I'm saying what freezer whatever it is you agreed on I don't think it what freezer was part of it it was it let me ask you something go ahead did can he not tell you that he brought a freezer there because it doesn't [ __ ] matter the freezer there I I know D well that I didn't bring the freezer there doesn't matter who brought the freezer over there you bought the freezer what's he say what freezer what freezer what do you mean what freezer you bought a freezer he said what freezer you didn't say what freezer you said yeah I B a freezer my in the house yeah be sitting up and he's to hide except the dead girl who used to be banging your boyfriend and now you got all her [ __ ] you do have something to hide you are the picture of someone who has something to hide you see what I'm saying that's the point I'm trying to make if anybody had something to hide it would be you I just I just thought I was being honest I I bought a freezer I thought was something new a house I I mean isn't that not honesty I'm so confused what are you confused about you bought a bunch of [ __ ] for a place you bought a bunch of [ __ ] that you never used for a place that you've never been to for a man who's been [ __ ] around on you whose girlfriend is Ming and now she's in your freezer what are you confused about there's no confusion there for me what I'm confused about is if you're not saying godamn it all right this is what happened and you know what I hung tight for him but [ __ ] it I'm not going to prison and being away from my kid for the rest of my life if you're not saying that then I got to be thinking you killed her what I'm telling you is I don't know how she got what I'm telling you I don't know how she got there and I didn't kill her but okay is Kenny I mean I I don't understand did kimy not tell you that I haven't been over there bringing a free him how many times I got to tell you it doesn't [ __ ] matter what kimy said about who did what because he was obviously home if the freezers at his house then how did he get there if he's not home I don't understand doesn't matter what Kenny said you understand me but if you guys know it doesn't matter what Kenny said but if you guys if Kenny told you any think about him bringing the freezer there now if he's telling you he doesn't know the freezer is there then Hees know anything about any freezer I don't know where the receipts that free I really don't the point Leighton is trying to make is valid if noova is the one who delivered the freezer then he is obviously lying about not knowing it exists Leighton buying the freezer is not a crime in itself the detectives are aware of this but they aren't going going to do anything to make Leighton comfortable I I don't I don't know where are you sure he got it in July when did you give him the money for it is it something you were saving for is it something you gave the money back in March for and said well when we get around to no was it money he was holding and he could have done at any time no I had me I'm throwing every possibility out here to clear you I had was Isaiah's social security check I I paid the this a security deposit at the first month's rent okay for I gave the landlord part of it and then I gave him the rest of it I gave him all that money for July for July's rent because I wanted to hold on to the apartment so we would have it because it was cheap and I couldn't find anything and it was big enough so I put the money on it so we would hold it we would have it when we move and we just had I had the extra money cuz I started working so you gave them money in July yeah I had it at the beginning give the money back and for no when you were living I didn't even start working to between between March and July when you were living with them in this place did you see a dead girl laying around anywhere no and I have my kids in the house did you ever see any of her longings in the house no everything was gone the only I was going to say the only thing I said was a big ass Teddy bir that she obviously didn't take but that's I mean if they broke up then I didn't think nothing of that it was it's in the bed room Trina and it's like I just thought all right if they broke up obviously she didn't take something that he gave her you know what I mean so it didn't seem weird to me because it was just a teddy bear you understand that he doesn't look any more like he did it than you I mean you look more like you did I know oh because I bought this stupid [ __ ] freezer no it's all these things together I I can't admit to something I didn't do okay if you can't tell me that something different happened then I'm going to assume you're the one because I got Miss I don't know nothing about no freezer over there I don't know nothing about the freezer seriously he can't even say yeah we have a freezer when his friend is that his name he also told you you didn't burn anything and you told me he burn stuff four of his friends said his name there I mean yeah there's things that I know he did because I got all kind of people telling me he did it that he's telling me didn't happen so it's crazy but on the same time I got you how does all these people that live outside of your apartment know his business and you don't when it comes to when it comes to burning clothing and putting girls in freezers the whole world knows all this except you and you live there you're asking me to believe that you don't know what's going on and I don't now I'm willing to entertain some kind of reasonable explanation here but on coming up with this you and you understand the police never discovered where Graves was kept during that time period I'm saying I don't want it to be that no I I get that but I have to keep the I can't just say him him him why not him that guy don't even know nothing about a freezer you know what I mean and honestly up until now I'm telling you I didn't buy the I didn't buy the freezer before ju I wasn't I didn't start working until May all right fine then where hell was she kept her I don't I don't know I'll put he had to keep her somewhere the the eight the eight months that they were together we only talked like four or five of those months and I didn't basically we had to like we had a big argument you know before me and him like actually stopped talking and I didn't know pretty much anything that was going on in his life those eight months I didn't I don't I don't know what friends he made you don't know if he has another place maybe I don't I don't know I I just know from what he told me he was you know going to work with with her if you bought this freezer last month if you bought it last month July beginning of July I had to been around there if you bought it last month well yeah it's going to be next month got to be somewhere and it would had to been somewhere cold and would had been in something that he couldn't move that's why he needed you to buy that freezer what fits the bill I don't I don't know we can as far as I I don't know I I just I yeah I don't I don't know who he knows and who he doesn't know I don't see him hang around with anybody except for the people he does music with okay and that's where he took it right I mean that's I mean he has a lot of people coming in to record music and how about Mike what do we know about Mike just what I told you before he stays at the house sometimes your house yeah like they work together we don't know I mean I really never got to know him personally like we've been talking about Shannon and the dangerous life that she led with the things that she did you know it was foreseeable that this kind of thing might happen but you know it's exactly foreseeable that you'd be in a freezer right next to her on and your kids you get these guys that we don't know who they are and they're in your house and listen I I can't I mean I don't [Music] know I don't even know I saw his name I've heard him say it but I I just have such a bad memory that I I don't pay attention to little stuff like that because I just figured he's a good guy because Anthony had him in the house and usually Anthony doesn't bring [ __ ] people around my kids you know what I mean listen this is going to be really bad I know I know Mike lived on this outside at one point and they got evicted this is going to be really bad you're going to go over to the jail and by tomorrow your booking picture is going to be all in the newspaper realiz this they going to be on TV I realize this for something I didn't [ __ ] do well chick was already gone when it moved in was already gone when it moved in she was no wor to be seen when I moved in no wor yeah well now you're telling me you only found a half of the body I didn't say that fits in pieces you a body doesn't mean it's all connected together whatever the hell I'm just assuming I I don't know you're telling me bits and pieces I I don't know you're telling me that there's this parts of a body that are fitting in a freezer I just I can't even W my head around I can't I can't who does stuff like that you you or him well it wasn't me both it wasn't me well it's the kind of thing that would probably come up in a conversation and if you did it I can understand you're not want to talk about say it would come up in a conversation yeah between the two you the only reason I can possibly understand that you're not talking to me right now it's because you did it no because I don't it doesn't make any sense to me if I'm you right now I'm like oh yeah this is what happened screw that I ain't being away from my kids Ain losing everything I fought for for 14 years by myself I mean I don't get it I don't understand it this guy is not this ain't going to get better I just I don't I don't know why he this problem doesn't I don't know why he's saying that he knows nothing about a freezer I don't know why he saying that I don't know why he saying NOA will not admit to anything as long as there is a chance he can shift all or most of the blame on to Leighton and he certainly isn't going to confess to savor I don't know about burn either but the I guess he really loves you and he's protecting you the because if he says something you go to jail for killing her I mean the burning the burning part that I know nothing about I don't that I don't know anything about I don't I I don't know anything about the burning part I mean he risked a lot of things doing these things in front of other people he did owe you but [ __ ] you also said it was his friends yeah I mean his friends not other people's friends his friends not my friends no but I'm saying he did this in front of people you don't do these kind of things in front of people you don't take a freezer to somebody's house and say watch this for me that's crazy what I was telling you is I don't go to Kenny's and hang out okay Kenny is his friend I know Kenny cool with Kenny yeah but Kenny is not my friend I gotta I mean this guy's done a lot of things done a lot for each and then he's like I don't know nothing about the freezer let me ask you something go ahead how the hell would I even managed to do anything when I work all the time and I [ __ ] with my kids all the time listen if you work two hours a day you got 22 to kill somebody I mean seriously I want my kids all day day long yeah all day you can ask anybody I'm with my kids all day every day all day long that's exactly what he says all he does is work and sleep you don't know nothing about no freezer it's all you freezer have you let a freezer he don't know nothing about it I'm like what how's that possible it's not I didn't think so you see my problem is that freezer did not get over there by me I know doesn't matter I did not put it there totally agree with you never said you did I did not put her in it didn't say you took it over there don't know if you put her in it I definitely didn't put her it wouldn't it took much that girl we more than I did yeah tell my pictures yeah but not now she don't I can't lift over 10 lbs it's about p and pieces I'm just no I'm saying I cannot lift over yeah 10 lbs because they're trying to figure out why why break her up like that cuz he could have picked her up easy a lawyer would have warned Leighton not to make that statement the more she tries to come up with anything that could prove her innocence the guiltier she makes herself sound you see what I'm saying everything you say makes it sound like it's you you couldn't pick her up okay that explains a lot cuz he could he could pick her right up if pop her in there not a problem you couldn't unless you made her into small pieces which just happens to be what happen that's just gross I know I I just let me ask you something your head the problem that I'm having with all this is I can't I I I can't tell you I did it because I didn't do it and I can't tell you I take the freezer Li because I didn't do I didn't over there here's the thing I know you didn't take the frezer over there okay so let go of it please okay okay I know you bought the freezer I know you've been using her things I mean the phone I didn't think anything of it because it was anony listen we're not going to go through that okay let's not do that let's keep it simple okay you've been using her things she was with Anthony she purposely tried to take him from you now we got her The Logical conclusion here is what I said it was unless something happened something that was out of your control that you had nothing to do with and now you're just being used but I'm trying to eliminate all those possibilities so that it doesn't look like you but the problem is it keeps looking like every time we we go through something did if he did anything to her told me he did okay but here's the thing and I mean obviously that's not something who told anybody I would assume I mean no I mean you you've got a you've got a place that you're paying for that you don't go to and you got a boyfriend who's shown you disrespect but he's shown you that he can't be trusted so he's got access to a place that you pay for and it has to go through your head it has Leon was easily manipulated by noova by Promises of a better relationship and how their lives would improve with Graves out of their way he fueled her resentment for The Other Woman until she was ready to do anything it took to ensure Graves would never try to come between them again he ran around on you you can blame him or you can blame her the point is he did you're paying for a place that he has access to and you don't just from what I know of I was under the assumption that she left because he wasn't working he wasn't providing he wasn't making money which yeah which for all you know you're paying for her new place and her old place for that matter you're not stupid I mean I know that both of our are on the least for the new place I know it was our place her name is only the at least for the old place and it didn't bother you so why would that bother her see what I'm saying so I'm trying to find these ways and I'm saying these things because when I'm saying that he could have had a whole place and a whole another life with her that you didn't know about I'm trying to give some reasonable explanation where oh that's why you don't go over there because that's where he's at with her and she's not missing she's over there I just but when I hear that you're paying for a place that your boyfriend who you just got back with cuz he was running around with a girl you know and then he needs a freezer I mentioned I mentioned to him a couple times about us going over there like just moving stuff in yeah you know and he said that you know just wait because he could get his brother his brother had a truck and he can just pay him and move all their stuff all at one time instead of having my mom go back and forth and bring stuff but but at the same time we had to have a freezer and it had to be over there I I mean I mean none of your other stuff and and to be clear do you have a freezer now in your apartment we have a f freezer at the at the now Leon hasn't realized that the prosecution will use this to convince a jury that the freezer was bought for the sole purpose of holding graves's body what the little one is part of your refrigerator the over and under yeah the one that's in the apartment now in the kitchen yeah yeah that one came with the apartment that's been there did you have another freezer there in your in your apartment no there's no room to did you have another freezer there in your apartment no cuz there I put okay I put the what I'm asking is why all of a sudden do you need a freezer I put the freezer at the new place I told him I said you know we could buy a freezer because I wanted to start moving stuff into the new apartment I wanted to go in there I wanted to get everything organized I wanted to get the kids room set up that way when the lease was up we could just move in there sleep in their beds comfortable I wanted to have everything set up you know what I mean I understand the whole thing about the the lease I understood that okay I wanted to get everything situated at the new house right little by little you know because of our work schedules and then I figured by the time we had everything set up and situated the lease would be pretty much up and we could just move because it was only it's already the end of July yeah so I figured during the month of August we could move everything over get everything set up by the time they started school everything be res situated and then he could just you know the lease was up beginning September so it wouldn't be that much time he keep that landlord paid up and we wouldn't have any problems and he could still be on good terms with that landlord so that was my plan that I had going so and was pointless for us to move the freezer to the old apartment and then have to move it again to the new apartment what I'm saying is you you've made it this far without a freezer and we're not talking about a refrigerator freezer combo it's just a freezer it's not a have you even seen this freezer do you know what I'm talking about do you know what you bought I know well you know where it came from you priced them right I told them I I gave him $200 you know you're so you know you're not talking about the freezer like you have in your kitchen no I I told him I told him so so you bought a chest freezer okay and that's not something you have now the M well the main reason I bought it is because the fridge the fridge freezer you know like the regular fridge thing that I have at my mom's yeah I had it in my house on Shields okay and it the freezer part of it kept on thawing on me and kept I kept you know losing all my food because the freezer part wasn't staying cold so you're going to use your refrigerator as a refrigerator and use that as your freezer yeah if it if the freezer conked out of me I was going to have that as a backup until I could get you know something else because I mean my mom's freezer fridge it's like okay just you know the fridge still works so you have this freezer over at this house and that's the only thing you have over there you know saying like the way it looks is it looks like you you have a place to hide a body is what it looks like I realize that okay well you understand where I'm going I want you to understand what I'm seeing I I realize that listen you're in your life I'm not I'm looking at your life from the outside and I'm telling you how it looks to people outside I really people on the outside it looks like this woman took your boyfriend then she disappeared now you have her things now she's in your freezer okay I know okay and you know what there's a reason why I say it as simple as that I don't split all those hairs okay and this is why that's the story think of it as a newspaper headline that's the story there's all these little nuances of things and yeah but yeah but yeah but but nobody reads that far down you understand I get it see what I'm saying I Okay so so when I bring this yo in and he's in here he's under arrest too we arrested him you know what we arrested him for abuse of a corpse we don't use that kind of charge very often I don't even know what that is well it's it's not legal to run around with a dead girl in a freezer no I mean I know that I've never heard you know the really scary thing about all this is I don't know who's in that freezer the remain have not been officially identified but Graves is the only missing person associated with the owners of the freezer so it is a safe assumption to make we hope it's her we hope it's her what if it's not her if it's not her then what am I am I talking to a pair of serial killers here you see what I'm saying like here's the thing you got understand how bad this is I don't think you fully understand how bad this is because when I told you to grow in a freezer you kept talking to me about your daily itinerary here's how bad it is I I don't I guess I just it didn't sink in right away like that's a lot to take in that's okay it's been a while things are calmed down now here's how bad it is guy breaks up with girlfriend girlfriend disappears old girlfriend comes back uses all her stuff a girl who might be her we hope is in Old girlfriend's freezer what if that's not her should I be looking for more freezers you see what I'm saying there's going to be at least because of the damage done here there's going to be some time it's going to take before we can even say yeah it's HT that's going to be time that everybody's going o we wonder if they chopped up anybody you see what I'm saying this is going to get crazy and you have children I just who are going to go to school know and they're going to say your mommy chopped people up how many did you you see what I'm saying like I'm trying to put this thing down now no I I real okay so understand that I'm trying to put this thing down now for a reason and for a bunch of good reasons would you agree with me yeah you think I'm doing this the right way I haven't jumped to conclusions about anything I I kind of felt like up up until a week ago up until this morning John Scara what did I tell you about John Scara yeah know and Phil ladimer yeah creeps I know however John's Kara and Phil ader didn't take a freezer to Kenny's house with a dead grow in it that may or may not be Shannon I know okay and Nei one of them bought that freezer and neither one of them used her [ __ ] after she went missing okay I this is the this is the narrative people hear these headlines they don't care and next week they don't care but you'll always be the girl that helped chop up the body and put her free you know what I'm saying yeah so I would much rather if there's some alternative truth to this that be the story because this is the story as it stands right now and when we walk out of this room that's what everybody says I know and regardless of what happens everybody you know your mother your sisters your stepdad I know what if your creep ex comes back to get the kids not that he would but what if he comes back and says well at least I'm not a hatchet murderer have you considered that that might happen I mean notwithstanding the fact that he is who he is no okay but you understand who has the most rights to take those children I know the most rights part of the reason part of the reason I was using and I guess I should have told you guys this before but I didn't think it matter at the time part reason I was using my mom's address and not anon's was because back when my kids dad when the kids dad's girl was sick he basically said what hope comes around goes around he basically thre like does then I heard he was in town Lon B the detective by trying to explain a detail that isn't important to the case it's an avoidance tactic but she will gain Nothing by using it and I I got scare because I thought it was going to be after me okay so I that's why I this my let me ask you something is it even remotely possible that tomorrow when you're all over the front page of the V he shows up to get his kids I I don't know I don't know if he's in t sound like something he do I mean probably not but then again I don't really know we haven't seen him in a long time that's listen if he hasn't been there is he paying any child support no okay is he on their birth certificates yeah okay that's about all he does okay but you understand they're getting checks right what do you mean your son gets a check oh so true yeah these are the kind of things that happen you understand that when people die there's people that look through the Vindicator to see who died and see where they live I and what happens you know what happens when people die and other people are looking through the Vindicator to see who died and where they live yeah you know what they're doing family no they're waiting to see when the funeral is so they can go to the house and steal everything while they're at the funeral these are the kind of things that people do you understand there's nothing off limit oh so what people do I mean I I I don't deal with people like that us I I see a lot of bad things that people do in situations that you're just like how could that happen with all that going on you understand with all this going on that guy could showw up and say dad by the way send a check to me yeah I mean you got some kids in the middle of this all right I I'm not bringing that up because I want to use your kids against you but your kids are in the middle of this no I'm I'm processing that okay your children are in the midle of this and this is going to be ugly and I know public I know very public I know you understand this is the kind of thing that may bring like CNN here yeah okay I know okay the way we put this fire out I just don't even know how to hear my name that's that's the way we put this out is we say everything we know no matter how bad we think it is because however bad you think it is we can deal with it but not dealing with it isn't dealing with it okay if we don't deal with this it's going to get to some kind of crazy end here okay this will spin out of control it's already out of control this is nothing you understand this is just me talking to you no I know and this is me talking to you with the hope that you will see what I'm saying and tell me what you do know you understand that to where I'm still entertaining the idea that no you didn't do it but you're doing what you think you got to do but but what you've given me so far doesn't make a damn sense what you've told me so far doesn't make any sense doesn't help me to clear you I know okay you understand what I'm saying I know okay so this is going to go [ __ ] crazy it's going to be bad it's going to be bad for you it's going to be bad for him it's going to be bad for that that she has a family I just don't I don't when it comes out what happened to her I don't get why I I don't get why if I I don't know I just my problem is I don't I don't know would bring a freezer cies I know I I don't okay I know who brought the freezer to cies I'm not worried about that I'm worried about what you know about what happened to Shannon no matter how bad it is no matter how bad it is I need to know what happened after lasting this long it is doubtful that Leighton is going to tell the detectives exactly what happened to Graves and hope to God that is her I mean I because if that ain't her I mean I don't know what to tell you I I know I know that I did not do anything to her okay I know I didn't do anything tell me what you know about what happened to Shannon please tell me that is Shannon because if it's not Shannon we're gonna have I don't know what's going to happen here tell me that tell me that is sh I I tell me it's not somebody else because I got some other missing girls right now I I mean I I I don't even know how to answer that look at me I if it is do you feel what I'm what I'm saying if it is her I didn't put her there do you feel what I'm saying yeah please tell me that it is her and it's not somebody else please tell me I I'm still missing her and that's another girl don't tell me that please I mean I know tell well I didn't kill anybody okay that's not what I'm asking you I'm not asking you if you killed him right now I'm asking you please tell me that that is perk and it's not somebody else I don't I don't know if it's HS I didn't put it there I'm not asking you if you put it there I'm not accusing you of putting her there I'm asking you to tell me that that is her and not somebody else it can possibly be I don't know who else it would be please tell me you have some knowledge that would let me know for sure that is her something anything you understand I got to go talk to a man about his daughter and I can't even tell the man that I know it's his daughter can you imagine somebody comeing to your house and saying we might have found your daughter but we're not sure cuz we haven't put all the pieces together I don't want to do that I've always had my suspicions I so have I but I'm not living in the house with you and him I have no I have no proof that I'm not asking about trof well you're asking if it's her I'm asking you if it's her I'm asking you if you have any firsthand knowledge no whether it be from just talking or because youve stepped into a mess and now you're part of it if I step into a mess and I'm part of it you understand nothing's so bad that we can't get through it I know I know and if I stepped into a mess you understand even if you killed her I definitely didn't kill her yourself I definitely didn't kill her we can do we can work with it I definitely didn't okay but right now I got a girl in pieces in a freezer and I got to go talk to her dad I'm sing I'm swearing to God you that I didn't kill her I had nothing to you got children right yes you know what I'm saying right yes could you even imagine I have no straight forward knowledge that that's her okay what do you have I'll take anything you got I just I've had my suspicions okay why I mean you have your intuition why because there's a dog in the car so all those things made you think that too I just I I didn't believe it because an is not like that he's never been violent okay so I I don't I don't know if he did this I don't let me tell you something I just know that we got a dead girl in a freezer at Kenny's House St I stopped to talk to your mom I don't go to kenes or would I stop to talk to your mom I sto to talk to your mom your mom doesn't like Anthony she doesn't like him because all the previous stuff we've been through when he wasse well yeah there's that she doesn't approve of that either her daughter but you know what else she told me you the kids told me no something about a cat that was a very long time ago okay that's when he was like in his um I get that's when I was just learning about all the stones and you know stuff like that like that's when I I've always like felt a certain type of way about all this stuff but I I never really I kind of tried to block it out when I was a kid cuz it scared me but I mean that was a very long time ago I they my mom tried saying something about she found cat's blood in a vial I don't really know what it was though I try not to I've never watched him kill a cat that's what you're asking me I've not I've never your mom told me that and I was like okay you know I'm not going to call you bom crazy not going to do it but what do I find when I come in your place the other day I had to and just witchcraft [ __ ] all over your kitchen counter now is that you he those are all his books he's he's had those for a very long time like before I met him I got you so listen I got some books like that I've had them for probably longer than he has because I'm probably twice his age yeah okay but I never cut no head off no cat and I've never put no blood in no vile I mean I I've never seen him cut off cat's head yeah that's what the kids were saying that's what I was working like 60 hours a week type thing oh you ever talk to your sisters and all them that whole gang of kids that's over there there's a shitload of kids at your mom's house they always make jokes about it but I kind of just always blew it off because I thought they were just [ __ ] around like I didn't they creeped out too I didn't think nothing about it your mom's really worried about you it turns out she had really good reason to be I I get it I I get it you understand she's she she was begging me the other day look please leighton's mother has been concerned about her but she never would have believed that her daughter would be an accomplice rather than the victim something's wrong we think he killed her I thought she we don't want Katrina to be next I thought she was just over exaggerating well she she gets very um I will give you that your your mother is animated yeah however there is a girl in a freezer obviously and it is connected to you and him so there's a good reason why she would be worried that you end up that very good reason I just you understand that that you you guys are telling me that it's my job no I I know and you guys are to F these people you guys are telling me that you know he brought this freezer to kenu and I I I don't know how I got there I know it was at my last apartment and I I don't last I knew it was empty how would you know that did you see it at the apartment I I mean I assumed it was empty did you see it at the apartment no okay you don't know if it was even ever at the apartment no I just he's saying there's no freezer you understand what I'm saying what freezer is what came out of his mouth what freezer did you guys not tell him the freezer like can he yeah said he brought there I don't understand never happened never happened what freezer you see what I'm saying what am I dealing with here am I dealing with a nut or am I dealing with two people that are chopping people up and this might not even be the girl I'm looking for what am I dealing with here no you're definitely not no okay okay I'm definitely not no okay then what am I dealing with here because if I can't get it from you I can't get it from nobody you're the one who's right there if I purposely put somebody in there to see what he was up to I couldn't do as good as having you I know what is going on tell me everything if he if he killed her I don't know where put her I don't I don't have any proof that he it's kind of like I mean I'm I'm pretty sure she's been dead a while you know I mean we'll know exactly how much but I'm saying March like the week you moved in she moved out the hard way did he have another place then does he have yet another apartment that we don't know about because he lives like he's a secret agent he doesn't even want the people he knows to know his name if I mean I I've always known his real name he just said he doesn't like his real name I understand but I mean everybody knows him as Anthony yeah just you know what I mean it's like really weird but it wouldn't be so weird by itself but add in the girl in the freezer and it gets kind of creepy I don't I don't know of any other places that he has I mean the apartment that the apartment that he has at his mom's I know that his stepdad was moving up too CU him and his mom his stepdad his mom like has some sort of like I don't know if they're getting divorced or what they're doing exactly so the stepdad's moving in into the apartment in his mom's house supposedly not moving out moving into the apartment in the same house upstairs so it's not so bad that he would they're trying to keep it kind of like normal cuz all the kids that are there and stuff they got a lot of younger kids and a lot of kids that got adopted and stuff like that I don't Katrina I started knocking on your door and it appears to have created a reaction it appears that when I knocked on your door on that Monday morning and I got no answer and I started looking around that apartment it caused this body to be moved in that freezer now I don't know that that body wasn't in your apartment the whole time with in the freezer I don't know that all I know is whether it was in the freezer or not keeping the body in the apartment for that length of time with two children in their early teens would have been a considerable risk all I know is that you say you bought that thing July and he says what freezer so is it possible he bought that thing before then and you were just giving him money for a freezer he already bought I mean I'm trying to think of every possible reason why even though everything is doing this to you it's not you I been trying it just I I don't know about the receipt and I don't know if he saves the receipt I don't know the only plac is that I mean I haven't seen the receipt at the house at all I I didn't notice it the other day either but I'll be honest with you I wasn't looking for a receipt for a freezer and I didn't think it was a big deal that we now what happened with the computer what do you mean with the computer the computer had to go over to keny's to get worked on that's why you got the cord can he asked you to take the cord to can he just asked me to take the cord back I thought that they were just downloading programs onto his computer oh okay cuz he has um you know he does all his music stuff on his computer so I thought that they were just downloading new programs and stuff like that to his computer for the music when he goes to Kenny's I assume it's for music [ __ ] yeah and I just don't ask because it's all his music stuff to me that he does is the same to me it's all just music it's you download stuff you got to do you know that the computer was messing up on or something I just know that at one point started glitching real bad I started freezing real bad recently um it's been doing it off and on for like a couple months as far as I know like the mouse I don't know if it was a computer itself or the mouse but the mouse would freeze up and like you know you would have to like like when you went to click on stuff it would freeze and stuff like that so I mean I don't really know though I could have that could have very well been the fact that we have to plug our phones in to to get internet like to actually connect the C phones have internet so we like connect it to the TV and it has that little thing that you could do where the phone's in like the you can get the internet on the TV from the phone oh okay so I mean it could have been just a glitch in the system because we were doing it like a kind of like a Wi-Fi thing but I mean you guys are doing all this crazy 14 step process to get but but you got but you guys you got this other place I mean there were other household needs and the detective points out that it doesn't make sense for them to have spent several hundred on a freezer they would not be using Leighton has no good answer and follows her usual habit of changing the subject what you do spend money and what you don't spend money on it I'm not here to throw stones but it's like he does but like whenever he brings his computer to Ken us to do anything with it he never has to pay him for I mean they're friends I me I just like I said that kind of stuff I don't pay attention to because it's he's done that a couple times over the years you know what I mean where he's brought his computer to Kenny's downloaded stuff on it I I didn't see you see what I'm trying to do I'm trying to find every possible explanation but the problem is is every time we do this we eliminate something else I know we keep coming back to the same thing I know listen here's what I'm telling you okay if he for however and whatever reason if he somehow managed to get that go inside a freezer and bring it over there I know nothing about it but I don't I mean he's obviously not going to tell you either oh he says what freeer my point well I mean it's like craziness you know I didn't I didn't I I'm not saying this I didn't say it did you check his wallet in stuff for a receipt did you guys check him for a receipt cuz I don't have one for the freezer I've never even seen a receipt on his person you mean like anywhere at all I didn't find nothing on them wouldn't expec him to walk around with a receip for a freezer though if the body was in it I mean I didn't I haven't seen a receipt at the house he's got keys on his keychain what you want to bet one of them doesn't unlock in freezer or yours we're going to check yours too but I know the only the only keys I have the only keys I have are to the apartment once you go across the street and you're booked the news is going to come down they're going to get those booking pictures I know and they're going to tell a story I know that story is either going to be with the cooperation with Katrina we figured out what happened or it's going to be to arrested for the dismemberment and disappearance of the woman and might not even be the one they were looking for those are the two possibilities of what happens after what I'm what I'm asking you is how do I how do I prove that I'm innocent without having I mean without number one it's not your job to prove your innocent of anything it's my job to prove the did something I'm telling you all the things I've done now it's been about 30 days I've been working on this now and everything and when it's all said and done I think I've eliminated scado and lur and I'm down to aruro I know the problem is that within the little aruro problem I now have you as a problem and I can't well he keeps telling you guys there's no freezer I know see what I'm saying now he's in there talking to him but I don't think he's going to say oh yeah oh that freezer you know what I mean so I mean what am I supposed to think here I don't know because I I figured that if you did something like this he would that's up to it here's the thing if you're saying you bought a freezer and that he went and got it and put it in your place he should be saying that shouldn't he I mean unless I mean you're not saying that didn't happen no because I don't have anything to hide okay I I just I was getting a freezer all right I don't have anything to hide obviously if I'm being honest with you guys about their freezer being in my new place or I thought it was at my new place then I I obviously just don't have anything to hide okay but here's the thing there is something to hide there's a big thing to hide and we found it so there is something to hide so that's not the case that you don't have something to hide you do have something to hide it's her I'm saying what what I'm saying is if I for one second even thought that there was a dead body in a freezer I mean considering the fact that I have my kids yeah and everything else all that I mean I would have came to you guys okay because of the fact that that's my kids that's you know my job my career like I know I'm I'm just this is how it looks I I I get that I just don't mosquitoes in here Leighton was involved from the beginning and had months to have second thoughts and come forward she had no remorse and fully believed that she and noova would get away with murder um this is how it looks h i mean it looks like it looks terrible and I'm I'm really I'm I'm here to listen to anything that would make sense if he told you he did it even if you were there especially if you were there tell me please you understand what a big difference in all this makes no it's a huge difference I I I get it I get it I just do you just not feel comfortable talking to me I just think that if is that what it is you not feel comfortable around me I just think that if he did something like that he's not going to tell me because because he don't want me getting involved in it well he got you pretty deeply involved in it he took you around to all the places and us the car you know that put you at geez you understand if I just did the welfare for the food stamp for on you guys each one of those is a I know I didn't even know he's using alcohol I understand that but I a what it looks like I I I mean I get that okay so we're not doing that no I that's not what's Happening Here I know okay so tell me what you know I knowbody told me and I just I I assume things but I just kind of did he tell you what happened what how this happened no okay he didn't tell me did he tell you he didn't tell me he did anything to her he didn't tell me but then again I don't know if that's something he would tell me or if he would keep it for me because the fact that I got the kids you that you R places buying freezers yeah you're sitting here right now obviously right look at you he's got you sitting here right now if and it's a big if if it's him and it isn't you I'm just assuming that whatever mess is going on started before I moved in because I know she wasn't there when I got there I didn't see her I didn't see her body I didn't see any evidence of anything I saw an empty house with his [ __ ] in it and maybe has need other place of St let me ask you this hypothetical again keep throwing these ropes out did he ever say I need money for a freezer just give me money for a freezer never mind why you're better off not knowing did you ever have the never mind why you just better off not knowing conversation now think about that because the way you're talking if he did something like that he wouldn't want you to know about it wouldn't want you involved in it okay no I'm trying to think okay I'm just I me like way out in Crazy Land now I'm just going over conversations I'm way out in Crazy Land now trying to throw all these ropes out I just I I mean he walks late I just he's been out late a couple times I just no explanation where he's been I mean I just always assumed he was waiting for a ride you know stuff like that I well he doesn't call Wa how does he get back and forth to work um either his cousin he need to like Mom Mike's mom takes him yeah he gives her gas money cuz it's so late at night she used to do the Uber driving or Uber whatever it's called so for her it's no big deal to be out driving around like that as long as she gets paid she doesn't care I I I don't even know how the freezer would have got over to canes well might have been my bone which would be awful strange now here's the thing they move this freezer I know I mean you understand there's all these people on there's all these loose ends and somebody says yeah I picked them up here and you know what I mean these are all the ways to I know that at the I know at the at the new apartment at any given time the the electric was in danger of getting shut off because it's not in our name yet right the landlord said it's in the person that used to live here it's in their name right you're going to have to eventually get it switched over you might not have to do it right away but I it's running and it's going to run out in any minute I don't know when it's going to you know run out so she was over there I had messaged him you know asked them at one point if the electric was still on because because of the fact that when you switch it from one person's name to another they just switch it yeah they don't have to it's easier to switch it you know and I do I have a back bill with Heap that I have to take care of and so it's either re just going to transfer the electric when we moved in there from this apartment to the new apartment or are we going to put it in mining we had to see which one was going to be cheaper cuz I might owe back money to the electric company I don't know yet yeah and that's why you know at a at any given time it could have been show off you haven't decided who's paying how you're paying that bill yet just depends on how you can do it with the with the Heap um it just depends on whether I would have a back payment I don't know if they'll cover the whole thing CU it's not one or with all of their financial difficulties it doesn't seem likely that noova and Leighton would be moving anytime soon this makes the choice to spend money on the freezer even l less likely to have an innocent explanation yeah I I really don't usually have to use them in the summer yeah um I I try to like you know do the winter crisis program so when it comes to the story that you're telling you about KY said something about the electric was off you said you think you might have been talking about your new place I mean maybe the electric wasn't off at the place for now in Ju you gave him money to buy a freezer to put in your place at the same time you've only been in that new place for a month and it was possible power was going to go off do your knowledge is there another freezer over there that's my knowledge I mean I don't I I don't know I haven't been over there but I don't think there is I mean I I don't I only gave him money to buy one on freezer so and with freezer's being you're on the leas over there at the new place yeah yeah both are the leases in both our names it was a year lease the year leas starting in July yeah yeah you guys weren't in there in June or before July at all we went to I went to look at the place Anthony was at work when was that um I want to say TR to think I'm trying to think so I'm trying to remember how I paid them I'm pretty sure I paid him I gave them no I gave him everything because I was going to originally give the L Lord the 375 to hold it and then I was going to give him the other 375 you know when we actually moved in I was just originally going to give him the 375 to hold the place that would have been for the first month's rent not that wouldn't have been includ SEC deposit but then I decided to just pay everything at once so that apartment was taken care of who is this land uh Ray I don't remember his last name it's on the it's on the um lease and it's on the r receipt right I I don't know the last name I just know it's on the lease and it's on the remember his phone number it's my phone I know it's a 80 808 number I think an 808 number Hawaii number he said he from Hawaii so I know it's an 808 number I just I have a robit have not saving stuff on my phone and okay that's memory wise listen I'm trying to find every possible excuse and I just why you're not one but I just know that I just know that it was around the end of June I think that we looked at the place so you definitely not need before July no I'm trying to think of how this guy could have this girl without your knowledge where could he have had her I mean I'm working this whole thing around you try to how could you be isolated where could he be could you even have gotten there maybe not but she ends up at Kenny's and here's the other thing am I blowing my brains out here because I'm thinking in chanted it's somebody new that just got killed last week is he chopping up girls and putting them in freezers maybe it's not her you know like like that's why I asked you please if you know this is her that would even be such a relief because hly all I know is K's telling you that Anthony Barre over there Leon never reacts to the possib ability of the body belonging to someone else she has accepted that it is Graves without a formal identification which is a reaction that many killers fail to hide because the elect off and maybe it's not her I I don't maybe it's somebody new I don't in all my years that have no answer me I've never known him to be a violent person wow we're past that now so if anything if anything happened if anything happened then God only knows what could be the reason I said if anything happened and there's something that he knows that I don't know I don't even know what you understand this this could be so much worse than what we even think it is under this scenario that it's not her this is a whole another body I know well I personally don't know of anybody else gone missing that he know well we got kind of a pile of people so it's entirely possible oh I mean that that he knows I mean well off hand off the r i mean I I can't tell you for sure that it's her because I I don't know I'm not the one that put it let's I hate to say but let's hope it's her but I mean obviously there's obviously there's a very good possibility that it could be obviously I would I would think there's a good chance but on the other hand if he just bought this freezer I mean I'm not I'm not going to lie to you guys because Kenny told you obviously that there let me ask you this backpacks what kind of backpacks he's always had a lot of backpacks that's a normal thing red one a red one yeah not that I know of I've always seen it with like blue and black just like all blue black ones you've never seen a red one no I remember I know he had backpacks like at his mom's he had a bunch of stuff at his mom's that he brought over from his mom's cuz she made the upstairs empty I mean if he has a red one then it wasn't from when we were even involved with each other because I've never not to my knowledge have seen a red one I've seen like black ones blue ones the one I use for work um when was the last time you saw the pictures of her while ago I just made work them up you get rid of them I mean or are they still around no as far as I know he threw them out I told him that you know like hey dude [ __ ] still got like ster pictures you know [ __ ] it just made you feel a little like inadequate considering I mean well smack in the face little bit but um so so as far as I know it I mean as far as I know the pictures I mean they're gone I mean I can't even say this is her so you this is how ugly this is going to be there's no way to mitigate that you know I don't know if she I don't know if she has any tattoos or anything I have no idea but it doesn't really matter because the Damage Done don't is there any way to DNA well that well if I'm asking is there any way to DNA figure it out yeah DNA oh it'll be a while be like a month of everybody living like this yeah and you know we're at the end of July end of August the school time and then it rears its head again when the identification gets made and it's bad if it's her but it's worse if it ain't and if it ain't it continues on till we about her cuz at this point now we don't stop we will keep going till we find her no obviously because I'll be honest with you by Monday we were making the decision if we're going to look where that dumpster got dumped yeah okay so this could be a whole different girl no matter how many times the detective presses Leighton still will not give a clear yes or no answer about the identity of the body and you guys are looking at all kind of problems you know I mean all kind of problems I mean I'm I'm assuming this is her because it makes sense but I could be totally wrong about that did something else happen no I did did he have another problem with another girl the only the only girl I ever known him to be talking to besides me and him was when he was with star well he's got this house that only he has the keys to he could have another girl over there in fact that house could be full of freezers right now I mean I I doubt it but at this I would doubt a lot of things except for what I just saw I know and now I pretty much now have to go over there I mean yeah of course I mean I'm not going to not go over there because look [ __ ] try to get keys from him please I have his keys I was say instead of like working the door last so far I haven't done that we've been pretty good the door so far yeah yeah scared the [ __ ] out of you guys sorry about that didn't mean to do that but we didn't have to do that the other day but now we're talking about people choing people up and we're looking at just a whole different way obviously yeah so the house over there we have and as far as I as far as I knew the only thing that was over there was that freezer which was supposed to be empty and like for sh that we were going to buy off the landlord just like tables and stuff like that that might be an apartment I don't I don't really know though I don't know if they even ever got brought in well I guess we can go over there and look and with my with my mom bringing me places you know like she doesn't have a lot of time so like when we went over to the apartment the one time when she went to get the tires I didn't even go in yeah I just I went over there you know trying to basically just we actually just went over there P tires and nothing else land lord said hey your mom had these tires and that's what I went over there for so I didn't even go inside so I I can't even tell you if the freezer was in there at that point because I didn't even go inside as an alternative suggestion here how about this how about I don't want to go to jail for something that I didn't do well and I I don't know how to not do that because I've never been in this situation before and it's scaring the [ __ ] crap out of understand where I'm coming from on this okay I don't think we're all about here being concerned with how involved you are in this if you're not at least the primary person I mean CU good argument here is you're as likely if not more the person who killed this woman if it's Shannon however if it's not now we don't know if this is like a Serial thing and you're both involved I mean you understand this is like so crazy how about any alternative if uh I'll suggest this to the lieutenant I'll ask him what he thinks about going over that house tonight looking around seeing what's in there maybe maybe there's some vital piece of evidence that clarifies that the other apartment will have to be investigated to determine if that was where Graves was killed and if the rest of her remains have been stored there which the new place the ra rway place I mean you guys can go I mean let's say we go in there and there's more freezers or we go in there and there's stuff that belongs to Shannon which shouldn't be that would be months after she disappeared yeah or we go in there and there stuff belongs to whoever this is in this freezer that isn't her I mean it sounded me like they took him out of here now so he's not here so what we could do possibly is go over there we would need your permission I mean go ahead we would need your written consent okay okay to do that yeah as far as between you and him we have keys so we wouldn't need to force anything no you guys can go over there maybe there would be some piece of evidence there that would make us believe that you weren't involved most likely it's going to go the other way where I mean the the problem is is I don't obviously the freezer's brand new okay yeah the look new obviously there's a box for it right did you see the Box no maybe the box is there I mean if the trash thing is taken out here's the thing if it's Shannon Shannon's been dead a while and it stayed somewhere it moved into this freezer if it's not Shannon it's fresh it could be the one we got here is he killed somebody new got the freezer to get rid of her before she stunk took it over the candies right yeah that could be I mean we could be airing here thinking that that's Shannon and in the meantime Shannon is still missing I mean Shannon is still missing it still looks like you got something to doing it's just like at this point I I would [ __ ] I would still like you know because I'm a good person I would pretty God that he had nothing to do with this but the fact that the [ __ ] freezer was at Kenny's house okay well listen I I just I can't even bottom line on him okay listen even though all the arrows are pointing in your direction right now the bottom line on him is he moved the freezer to candys and it had a body in it I okay I know now I can't think of any good reason why that would be so that's what's going against him and all he can say is L freezer okay well you know where that's going to go well yes that problem there is going to take care of itself but now here's the problem we got is this the girl we're looking for is this another girl I I can't the problem that I have no point did heever say I'll kill this [ __ ] and move you in here and everything will be fine no you never offer to do that listen it was my bad and I'll make up for all the things I've done wrong no he because I would like to know I'm just dealing with a real simple triangle not he offered a place for me the kids to stay M but when I went over there she wasn't there so I just assume that she moved out okay now but at no point did he say I'll get rid of her don't worry about it no and if that was his give me a week and I'll have her out of here even inoc stuff no and if that was his intention then he didn't you know what's word I'm looking for like he didn't make it obvious I guess okay you know he didn't say anything long lines of this is what I'm going to do you know what I mean let me suggest that to the lieutenant what do you think I mean you guys can very well go over there let me suggest let me suggest that to him see what he thinkes maybe we find something that looks at maybe we go over there and there's a basement full of freezers and we got a whole another thing going on the people upstairs just move but I don't know I know all their shit's upstairs Leighton is pleased to have a question that isn't connected to the murder she speaks firmly and with more inflection since she has nothing to hide Katrina Lon was convicted of tampering with evidence obstruction of justice and abuse of a corpse she was sentenced to 18 years in prison that's the end of today's video if you liked what you watched and want to support the channel hit the like button and check out my patreon link in the description thanks again for watching and I'll see you next time