this is Richard Paul White a self-confessed serial killer white believes of claims to believe that God tells him when people are supposed to die and he is some sort of instrument to ensure that happens white has killed three confirmed female victims and he says that there are two others that police have not yet been able to locate white would have gotten away with these murders if it wasn't for the supposedly accidental death of Jason Richard a friend who had tried to help white get on his feet know I know you guys are just here to I mean I know nobody here cares about me I'm not a fool I know you guys have objective number one you know I just want you to know that I know that I'm not being Buffalo here I'm not playing a trick okay it doesn't matter I'm going to tell you any okay you're okay not really now aren you okay I'm sick what kind of sick my head somehow I can't can't stop doing things I can't stop cruising the facts I can't stop uh I can't stop and I need I need this to stop I either need to die or to be away forever and I can't be away forever and I know that once this goes through they're going to kill me so you know that's what I got to do are you on any medication no should be okay I mean I've never been to a doctor that's told me I need to be but I knew that if I went to a doctor to get help or what was hurting me I had to tell him the truth and I knew if I told him the truth I'd be sitting here talking to you guys okay you want any elicit or illicit drugs no I smed joint about four days ago that's the last illicit drug you had yeah how about L legal drug medication of any sort Labor Day I took some sinus allergy that's it I'm not on any drugs I'm not under the influence of any alcohol I don't have a hangover I'm not I'm well within I know what's going on I'm not I'm not high I'm not drunk okay you know what's up yeah you yeah what's going on I think so okay why don't you just tell us what happened there was a there was an accident we were just sitting there and we were cleaning our guns who's we Jason and myself you know Jason was my best friend white and Richard were on friendly terms and Richard had recently gotten white a job the police could not figure out what motive white could have possibly had to kill Richard since there was no evidence of a fight and he did not try to use Richard's credit cards what when was this the other night uh about 24 hours before you guys found him okay you're sitting there cleaning your guns we cleaned them and then we were then we went up into his bedroom we they were clean okay and then uh he cleaned his bread I cleaned my clock and we were sitting there we were talking and uh I said see you don't want Glock they're so dangerous and they're just [ __ ] around and my gun went off how' it go up um I don't you know to tell you the truth one minute we're sitting there talking laughing and next minute he's got a hole in his head tell me how it happened I didn't think it was loaded there wasn't I didn't even have a clip in it but it was apparently chambered and I told him the only way you can tell with these and when I came around like that I was going to pull a trigger because when you have a trigger back on a Glock you know it's safe there only way you can tell a glock's safe you know and uh they popped him where were you at in in the where were you up in his bedroom where at his bedroom he was leaning up against the bed and I was sitting there on the floor okay well I guess okay we did smoke some pot that night it hasn't been four nights then we smoked some pot that night good night was it um I'm going to have to say Monday I a piece of paper right gra it I just want this piece of paper well if you guys found him uh Tuesday it says then it was Monday about what time he got shot at 8:30 how do you know it was 8:30 I at the clock what time one over on this [Music] television it was like a cable box and said what time it was in the bedroom no no I walked out of the bedroom I [ __ ] freaked out okay I was disgusting so you were in his bedroom he was leaning up against the bed yeah big bed what's what part of the bed was he leaning up again right where you found him I didn't move him he was right at the foot of the bed with uh sitting on the floor and uh I would say I'm I'm facing him he's on this side a little bit okay you were facing him yeah I was facing him where were you then sitting back back on the floor okay you more towards the door yeah more towards the door than inside okay that's pretty much right by his dresser there was a dresser on my right mhm here's the door here's the dresser here's the bed here's Jason here's me so You' already cleaned the guns mm you said he had a beta you had a Glock mhm what kind of beta do you have yeah he had a 92 FS okay nine mhm and you had what turn: clock 22 40 caliber 40 so what were you doing up in the bedroom You' already cleaned the guns yeah we just went up there and he was looking through his [ __ ] looking for uh some more pot what kind of [ __ ] he looked through his drawers and he looked on his headboard looked in his closet and then he looked in his little safe where's his little safe it's gone okay where was it just little safe right behind him if he's on the bed it was right behind him on the bed on top of the bed yep okay and when the bullet went through his head the reason you guys didn't find a Shell case and the reason you guys didn't find the shell or the Bullet itself is because it hit the [ __ ] save and then I found it okay where was it it was laying here's the bed here's Jason the sh the bullet was right over here laying on the bed yeah no on the side of the bed on the floor so were you seated or standing I was sitting on the floor mhm okay then what happened the reason we were sitting he say he had a hell of a hangover and we were just sitting there talking then I just got up and I was looking at him and staring at him and I could hear the blood running out of his head sound like somebody pouring water on the floor and no Richard was found in the apartment he shared with white with a gunshot wound to the head there were no signs of a struggle or forced entry I'm sorry man my friend then I uh got real scared like oh my God you know here we go I picked up the shell casing I could smell the gunpowder in the air I looked over and there was a bullet and I panicked I grabbed those things I saw that the bullet had hit the safe I grabbed the safe uh grabbed his cell phone where was the cell phone it was on the floor next to him he was waiting on a phone call I don't know from who okay then uh the reason I told you to take down gloves I started wiping everything with those gloves what did you wipe everything man door knobs uh toilet what toilet upstairs okay um the refrigerator the bong which bone I only know that there was one this little purple one that was sitting on the coffee table downstairs in the living room yeah where were your gloves you said you grabb the gloves where were they they were in my pocket I drive with them the ones you gave me tonight I don't always wear camouflage only when I'm up in the mountains you know hiding from everybody devil Exel so where were the clothes at that time what were you wearing I way threw I already threw away all my clothes I had on some Levis [Music] and I had on my socks cuz we're just hanging out you know we we want weren't going anywhere or anything like that and uh my gloves were in my back pocket I'm wondering I think I grabbed my gloves out of the car and had them in my back pocket when I had my gun when I went to go get my gun to clean it cuz I asked him if I could clean my gun I didn't have any gun cleaner and he did how did you get there I drove what what did you drive my car 79 C of supreme where is it now about 2 and 1 12 LS from there which direction do you know what street I can draw you Mano I don't know um out Mansfield to Salon then you go east and I think it's either the first or the second right it'll be parked on the right hand side facing south Mansville to salon and then what go east on Salon until you it's either the first or the second right how did it end up over there I took off I got scared I just freaked out wiped everything off I took off and my car started dying out cuz it's a piece piece of crap and I parked it and I panicked okay and I went back to the house I got his keys but what time is this probably there for an hour I think 9:30 okay you walk back yeah where did you get his keys from inside the house on the table which table coffee table in the living room where the binos it was okay you got his keys and then went I jumped in his truck well I jumped in his truck and his ATM was in there and his uh credit card was in there where were they they were in the ashtray cuz he doesn't [Music] smoke how about his wallet straight up I think it was in the bedroom took it I looked through it I needed cash I needed to get the hell out understand that did you take the wallet no what' you do with the wallet after you look through it I think it's in the safe okay was there any cash in the wallet $24 did you take it out I did okay what else was in the one a lot of paperwork lot of receipts what kind of [ __ ] did he take I took his I took $22 I took an ATM card and I took a out of the wallet no I took the money out of the wallet okay and then his credit card and his ATM were in the truck and the astray and I boogied how about to say I grabbed it because I wasn't trying to rob him he was already dead it doesn't matter I know but there was a [ __ ] ballistic Mark there's a bullet hole on it you know the bullet didn't go through it but I just wanted to take everything anything in say some receipts was it locked uhuh it was not locked okay what's the safe do in the bed he was looking for pot have any in there no we didn't find any pot anywhere stems and seeds no even white usually used harder substances but he was clean during the time of the shooting the police didn't believe that his use or possibly trying to rob Richard to support his habit were factors okay what else did he take took his gun was that at the time sitting right next to him on the floor yeah we like would always hang out and play with our guns all the time it was just something we like to do I told him how I liked his better than mine but I could only afford the Glock was his loaded yes it was Meg in mhm chambered and it was next to him right next to him okay wasn't in his holster no it had been I didn't take it out of his holster okay cell phone yeah I took it how long did you okay what else [Music] um you know there's three other murders we got to talk about we got plenty a Time RP just take care of J this one this one was an accident doesn't matter and you know what I knew you guys wouldn't think it was an accident I knew you guys would [ __ ] me on this butar [ __ ] I [ __ ] myself I know I got scared we weren't there I got scared man you know I in the world I don't have anybody nobody to call I can't call my father I can't call anybody I recently got to talk to my mom for the first time any years none of this matters but I don't have anybody in the world and then one person I thought I did have just [ __ ] kned me out tonight white was one of five children he had four sisters and his father was in law enforcement although a scandal for which he was later acquitted forced him to resign White had little contact with his family aside from his sister Danielle right right now on my patreon page you can watch the interrogation of a suspect who killed a man and then tried to run over a police officer while trying to escape watch him burst into tears during his interrogation thinking it may help him get away with it watch this video and many more right now at patreon.com stranger stories plus okay that's okay I don't even care but you know here's Jason and Jason is helping out he's let me sleep on his couch he helped me get a job you know he was my only friend I did not mean to kill him I wasn't there I know being I don't know it was me and Jason I don't know you man I know you know there is we can't smoke in here maybe freaking out I'm going to tell you everything man okay how long after this tragedy do you think you in the house an hour and what you're doing in that hour cleaning off my fingerprints wondering what I had touched during the night thinking how I can get out of here without anybody knowing I was here I knew that was impossible you know and how did you clean those gloves anything else no just my gloves did you move Jason at all no I didn't even touch him well I reached out did you uh render Aid at all try to help him I screamed his name there was no helping him man it's coming out like this okay and he just went over seen people die before which way did he go over when he's sitting like this he came forward and fell this way and it was like this and his hand was like this okay it's just like this I touched it hand before I left I told him how sorry I was so safe cell phone where was his cell phone again I'm sorry I bu him on the left side of him it's full of blood theetta left side of him how about he other G it's in the save the little 22 Yeah I sold that to him 20 [ __ ] [Music] it is in the safe or was in the safe it is or it's not I don't know that's so the save the cell phone you took his keys from where his keys were on the coffee table okay anything else yeah I took some chains where was the chain on top of the dresser okay what was it in any container of any sort no it was just all laying there that's where he throw his his uh that's where he'd throw it that's my friend right there dead you know I understand I understand believe me I do he was a good guy I'm so sorry for him and his family for all indications he was very good guy he was hardworking man you know he took me up camping on uh Labor Day weekend so I could see a lot of my old friends that I had seen in years where you go camping who went up there to the other side of Pike National Forest Brian sel's place I met Jason when I was he was working on a press and I came in I was feeding paper for him on a press put paper by the truckload is that at Aspen yeah I met him at Aspen about how long five years maybe I could be wrong I'm thinking five years I'm not real good with time that's cool neither it Escapes Me So the safe the cell phone the keys the inevitable ride the inevitable ride change anything else save contained the 22 and the 22 what did you do with the same all way the change included hand the cell phone puted in a dumpster where guess it doesn't matter at this point huh no can we please have a cigarette tell you what after detective Lucen I'll blow it the other way I'll sit back and I'm going to hand you guys the world today I really am I'm not I'm just stressing out I can't think clearly you know I believe in God too and U this doesn't scare me the hell does do you have a cigarette detective tell you whatever you want to know I just want some closure for the family I want I want them to know he wasn't up to no good he wasn't doing anything bad he wasn't you know they know that R they know that where's the uh dumpster they put this stuff in $12.99 Harrison what's a 12299 Harrison I used to live there and it's in dark allei there's an open dumpster that nobody really cares about when did you dump it a little bit later because I went to the ATM which ATM uh there's a I think it's a 7eleven on I and close to Sable not sure uh just east of sable I think big gas station wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait nope I went there and I got gas for the truck that's where I filled up with gas and I went in and bought some smokes got your receipt okay I'm sure I'm on [Music] camera then uh are you ATM it's a cfax there's S I think it's a 7-Eleven on cax cax and it's all the same to me I don't know it's on the north side of it um it's in the middle between between Colorado and Chambers it's like right in the middle um I use his ATM he'll be how you know he's how do you know he's pin it's 2129 I've always known it how did you know it because he gave it to me because I'd go get money sometimes so that we can get some pot because you'd have to wait on the guys okay so you hit the packs use the at you go down and get gas yeah I went and got gas got some Gatorade and some cigarettes who you smoke Mar in the Box more be smoking camel wides tonight I hope soon moment and then where did you go did you go to kofax as soon as you filled up with gas yeah okay I was going to leave count and go where gonna go [ __ ] I going to go to Canada or Mexico you [ __ ] up that now no that drunk no how about Jason hung over like a [ __ ] Jason was hung over bad was he drinking little bean not when I was there were you drinking or well no how long have you been there [ __ ] must have been about an hour hour and a half what time you think you got there six something where' you park your ride when you right in this parking lot right in his Drive way and I knocked on his door he didn't answer so I went next door to the neighbors you guys seen Jason no [ __ ] so I go down to two houses down to uh Pete's house he hadn't seen him either I go back and I dingdong ding dong and he answered about what time is this six something okay not too long after 6 you parked in the drive you right in the driveway okay I wasn't like up to anything I was just coming to see my partner you know and tell tell him hey I didn't go to work you know this sucks and we were sitting there talking and Jason told me he could probably get me back in with the job bullet job because I'm a hard worker and because Gary says you're hard work [ __ ] yeah and I'm so sorry Gary had to find him so anyway you went over there about 6 is yeah you parked right in the driveway right on the south side of his truck cuz his truck was always Park on the north side of his on the right side of the Dr on the right side yeah that's about six yeah so how long do you think you were in the house before the [ __ ] happened hour and a half two hours not long we sat there and I asked him if I can clean a gun and he said yeah I had to clean his and we did that and we were watching some TV and I'm trying to remember what was on but I don't remember remember lower level or upper level in the Middle where the big TV is he earned all that stuff he worked asside for it everybody thought he was just a rich boy you know what so you were there about an hour and a half you said the [ __ ] happened yeah and I think you said earlier correct me if I'm wrong about an hour and a half after the [ __ ] happened you were cleaning them hour i' s more towards an hour half hour when you dump the cut was right then right when I I left after you cleaned up yeah and cuz I just stayed in the house you don't you you drove the cup was about a block and a half away I yeah I drove it up to uh Mansfield then this way and then right over here I parked it I walk back so you go up to Mansfield Mansfield he lives on Manfield I so I drove on Mansfield from his house M to Salon CE whatever it is and can you have a cigarette and I bust an East and go one or two it's either the first or the second right and then you took a right parked it how far off of s oh half a block at that okay the car was sputtering it was going to die on me that's why that's the only reason I went back and got his truck you know I was just leaving did you have these Keys when you took when you split no I did not I had to go back and get the keys okay I'm not bullshitting you guys I'm not going you have no I know but my was a murder investigator I know you got to ask all the same questions over and over D yeah want something to drink coffee Coke caola would be great straight light straight so after you you came back you got the truck you go get gas hit the ATM how much did you take out of the ATM I tried for two 50 it wouldn't let me I took 240 okay then what you do started cruising on Cor PS cuz I was going to leave mhm and then I figured I'd get laid first okay I'm not trying to be disrespectful it's all right the only guy out there I know so did you pick anybody up yeah Pi up three girls up do you know any of them yep one of them who was that Teresa thank you Teresa yeah white black white din a ra where'd you pick her up 90b sming soaking wet um okay over by Logan Street she lives on like 10 [Music] Logan you know she went with me not to the house she went with me afterwards I told her what happened did you pick her up at her place or no on the street on the fact yeah I never knew where she lived before that okay so you pick her up you tell her what happened well we're doing our thing and then she says she wants to get some crack mhm and I'm like I'm leaving town where are you going I said I don't know Mexico she says I want to go said you better be sure cuz I'm really leaving mhm she said well let really go but I got to get some crack first [Music] so I met some [ __ ] girl at uh the Diamond Shamrock on 58 and I25 got $100 wor a [ __ ] crack which was stupid I told her give me the money back the it just get 40 bucks worth or whatever it's going to take for you to get high and give me a change cuz we need the money to go mhm and then she comes back and just [ __ ] crack wh you know and she comes back with all this rock and says that she oh this is all she had she didn't have change that she was crap but I didn't care so this was a Diamond Shamrock at 58 and I25 did she make the contact yeah absolutely with the sorcerer yeah she called some girl on her cell phone the girl Teresa had a cell phone but she wasn't using that cuz it didn't work mhm that she called her from the the uh jamond Shamrock from the payall yeah okay what time about is this later I really don't know I'd been driving around for a while just freaked out crying you know did you go to her place or stay in the truck or what' you do I stayed in the truck when with Teresa yeah we stayed in the truck thanks kind of don't let me have lighters now thank you I take it you don't smoke right no I don't thank you I appreciate it no problem so I pick up Tre okay I cruise around I pick up the one girl and uh I never seen her before and I'm on copack all the time but I've never seen her before and I end up [ __ ] her she was $20 big deal and I go driving along and I pick up another girl and she was another 20 bucks and then I uh I was driving along and I saw M and I I picked her up a lot and I picked her up and I told I was leaving after we did our thing and then she's like well I want to go too she you got to be sure CU I'm really leaving okay I want to go and I thought hell you know I'm probably going to die at the end of this trip anyway you know because I I had no intentions of coming in here ever I wanted to die in fact tonight when the [ __ ] squat teams are all in [ __ ] about Commandos when they all uh yeah and you can write down I still want to die I got to go face God you know I'm just glad that this is over with and then look Jason was a [ __ ] up and I [ __ ] up with Jason that was a mistake but I am a killer I've killed three other people yeah well four but one of them I'm sure they're dead but I don't know who's the three other people prostitutes when when where when uh let's see I had my driver's license I could tell you to the day um because it was the day after I got my driver's license got your driver's license in 2002 okay then that's January January sometime where at I drive by it every day you know it's I cry about it all time I'm not a remorseful or non remorseful jerk or anything that's a I'm kind of unique I guess in that kind of respects but I picked up this girl where the bus stop at I'm going to say ham Havana I'm going to say Havana there's like a a big parking lot on the east side of CX I'll tell you where they bear okay Havana and cax yeah just east of that you go and then there's like a like an long next to 71 maybe it's Poria thing because I'm not remembering 7-Eleven you know where Nick slippers is no I don't pay attention to signs K can I drve for you either Havana okay this is East um this is either Havana or Peoria I'm not sure there's a bus stop right here and it's a shelter one and the only reason I did these things is because I'm sick I know doesn't matter but there's like a big building here oh there's a liquor store I think there's a liquor store right over here like on a little strip mall okay and I picked this girl up here January 2002 right black girl like I think she was dark I don't know if she was black she looked foreign she's real tall real thin and you know what I want their families to have some peace cuz you know I've Loved Someone and had him leave just overnight and not tell me and it drove me [ __ ] crazy you know it does I can't imagine what these families are going through and I don't want them to go through that so I know them just matters but sure so you picked the girl up yeah $60 she got over and I didn't even have any money so what happened after you picked her up I said how much to go home with me for a little bit I said I got 60 bucks well that do it I said just an hour she says okay so we drove back and we went into the house where 2885 Alon okay were you living by yourself then nope I had a girlfriend is she there nope okay you went to 2885 albian then what kill me over all this you guys got the gas chamber or the electric chamber don't matter I just and after this I have hell to look forward to so I'm so excited so you went to 2885 out yeah we went downstairs into the basement she started giving me a head and I told her just uh stop I tied her up and strangled her what did you tie her up Cor White's first victim was Victoria Lynn Turpin she was chosen at random as someone who who would not be missed white may have chosen to Target other women based on her appearance to recapture the feelings he experienced during her death what kind of Court [Music] Nyon yeah like camping supply [ __ ] where you Strangler her with same thing didn't one call up her clothes off of her put put everything she owned in a bag I put her inside of a duffel bag what kind of duffel bag big black one I don't know and then I uh took her South to M Colorado which is long [ __ ] L way where your dad lives yep where your grandmother lives you lived my grandmother sorry dead white is able to give a surprisingly detailed location of the body this is true for each of the women he buried white is the type of serial killer that prefers to keep track of the remains if at all possible she's right here right there out in the open I buried her but the dogs dug her up okay 3 months later I went back and she was a skeleton how much how long after Alin did you go down there oh I mean uh immediately as soon as I killed her put in the DU drove yeah how long does it take get five where' you put her in the car trunk what car did you have in red neon that was 200 two January I had a Dodge Neon okay I'm trying to think when you lived down on Jewel so he tried to rip your car it wasn't to Neon though it was NE it was the Neon je so we tried to yeah and I walked out they did they broke it out and I walked out and on the fourth time that they [ __ ] broke I called the cops cops couldn't do anything and I knew they couldn't but I had to make the report and the fourth time they [ __ ] while they rubbed [ __ ] on my car they [ __ ] broke into it they didn't even had pot and money in the as they didn't take it the same ride though yeah same time so you took her down there what do you do with her clothes and [ __ ] took him back to my dad's house and burned him burned mhm did you uh keep anything not from her anything like this no cuz there was man I watched the news I watched everything I've been up and down looking for Flyers nobody cares nobody missed her it's a girl thing yeah nobody cares about those people you know what and they're at the lowest point in their life and what am I doing I'm out here [ __ ] killing know appears you have some empathy I have a lot of empathy you know nobody cares these people nobody cares I feel bad you know she was at the lowest point in her [ __ ] life so how many times you been back to I see that oh to her grave yes to her grave 10 15 how soon afterwards I brought flowers I went three months afterwards cuz I was scared I wanted to see it anybody uh had found her is there anything now like the flowers oh probably for a lack of that a term Memorial of some sort I put some rocks and form of a cross shaping South cuz she was she believed in God so there's a cross with rock I just put uh three rocks this way this right my grave put since that's a grave andway I put the rock here here here here and here across where from the body her grave is right here mhm right here well she was dug up unfortunately right yeah but her hips and her spine are still there how do you know that seen when was the last time Jesus last time I went down there and stole a 357 Magnum from my dad the reason he hasn't spoken to me anymore when was that it's been since I I was in peblo so uh couple couple months yeah just a couple months ago and RP it's not that I okay it's not that I don't believe you or anything but uh just to verify would you be willing to take us there absolutely can I go well hell yeah I can't take us take you there right now man poor girl I want you know what okay she's dead there's nothing we can do for her but pray for her and you know what she went straight to heaven because we prayed we prayed before I killed her who prayed me and her I said we have to pray together because if two people come together in God's name he'll listen say girl in the facts pray with her it's me here I am in all my Fury and all my anger she was terrified she knows what's up I told her I was going to kill her did you have her in a hold or did you have I met her you down on the ground and I wrapped her at her [ __ ] hands up and once she was tied up then I wasn't scared of her anymore getting way or anything man you guys I'm so glad I'm caught because I've had girls running down the street away from me in handcuffs I'm [ __ ] 10 times at least I [ __ ] that's a messed up cup it's got a skull on this side of it and when I she had Perfect Teeth okay this girl she was blind and I knew it was I knew it was supposed to be because I had this tattoo a long long time ago and she was blind in her right eye because when she was 3 years old she fell off of uh her grandmother had her and was feeding her and she fell and the fork got her in the eye she was very thin had very black is this a girl yeah this the same girl yeah I got two others to tell you about too well we got time she has hair down to about here and she' just gotten it done she looked really nice you know she was very pretty she had Perfect Teeth teth but I noce people's teeth you know this girl no seen her on the facts before no and that's how I knew I'd get away with it cuz it was a and you said you didn't know if she was black Hispanic white MTO she looked like she was from the Caribbean she was dark dark did she give you a name or she didn't I don't remember I only remember one of the girls names 60 bucks 60 bucks fck been doing this [ __ ] a long time I leave anything I can't believe that she died over and over I didn't have any money that's the last one no that was the first time I ever killed anybody in my life first time uh and you was ligature or Strangler yeah how long did it take too long people say you die real quick you don't it took her probably [ __ ] almost 10 minutes okay a lifetime she di she tried she was on her I'll show you right where in the house cuz there's stains from each murder what kind of stain no disrespect to her yeah okay she pissed herself where is your old lady then or I'm sorry your girl your former girlfriend um [ __ ] I'm thinking she's out of town for a few days she might have been with her mom in Oklahoma or you know I'm I'm not real clear about that I had other things on my mind I knew she wasn't coming back I knew I had the house to myself you're a lady or it's okay disrespect no nothing matters at this point now and uh you didn't keep anything not her cuz I was terrified my dad was a murder investigator no I knew better I knew better I knew that you know what what I'm saying yeah I do I do you want to be able to find that stuff and make sure that it sticks no well I you know like I said we've been doing this [ __ ] for a long time and I just know sometimes people keep stuff keep stuff I you should respect I mean I told her to not cry I told her it be okay and she'll be in heaven soon and all this will be over and she'll never have to be on the packs anymore I told her no more bad stuff better life white remained consistently remorseful for the murders throughout his interrogation and trial where he mouthed apologies to the victim's families it's okay but it's kind of scary it's I can't I don't have enough lives to give to make up for it you know so how about the second girl all right R analia Maria Gonzalez what was the first name analia I have no idea how to spell analia yeah analia Maria Gonzalez beautiful little girl and where was she on Pearl and kfax just just north of K on right by the old uh the [ __ ] was the restaurant there malfunction junction oh [ __ ] Sun Cafe yeah yeah just she was north of the sun on uh the 16th she was looking for crack had looking for a ride how do you know her I didn't how do you know her name she told me and she was okay what happened then picked her up she says I said how much blah blah blah she said I just want to get some crack and we can do whatever so I took her a down Pearl she got out got some crack and then did you pay for it yeah I don't smoke crack I don't [ __ ] do the [ __ ] what are you talking to 40 40 bucks that so then we go girls are so trusting it's unbelievable so we go up to uh look out mountain and I [ __ ] her up there on a little parking area you know and then we're coming back down and I'm thinking about killing her right there because I'm thinking I'm in the mountains but I know it's way too populated I know somebody will find her before she's rotten so I uh say okay whatever so we go back down I have no more money at this point but I got to get her into the house so I tell her my girlfriend has money in the safe which was a lie she wants some more rock yeah it's an addiction you they say there's a crime my ass there's [ __ ] crack cocaine on every corner you know I had I was driving the other night I had three people at the same time com up to me and offer me Crack you know they're lucky I didn't just blast them I was mad I just get away from me so you go to albian again or sure did went to albian Street walked in the door and I tackled her that fast and she got scared I told her I wouldn't hurt her as long as everything was okay she said I just want to get out of town me and my mom have been fighting so that sucks you know her and her mother are fighting and she leaves in a storming rage never to be seen again were you living with hazel then yeah so you tackled her then what happened put handcuffs on her I don't ask me the handcuffs I don't know i' got [ __ ] 100 Pair in my life man had six B vest where was Hazel that night I don't know she was gone again she used to just take off a lot I don't know where she was I knew she I knew she wasn't coming back so I tackled her handcuffed her handcuffed her and I raped her and and I told her that I had to kill her because I couldn't let her go cuz she knew where I lived then what told her we had to pray we prayed and we prayed and we prayed and we prayed white prayed with each victim in some bizarre way of convincing himself that doing so would absolve him of all wrongdoing and I kept praying for God show me a different way out anyway any other way than to kill it but he didn't tell me and then what did you do I kept her for a while made her take a bath what was the reason you I was trying to get rid of all the evidence and stuff I made her douche and [ __ ] I'm sorry I don't mean to talk like that I know I know I have to right now but so uh we went into the we were in the bedroom we're in the living room we're all over the place I figured it was the end of my life I might as well do what I was going to do I never beat him I never beat him up I never heard him like that that was very nice and I just cried a lot with them when I was when they were alive so what did you do with a girl barri in the backyard backyard of where 2885 Street oh and this was the latter part of 2002 M you remember with M cold Brown Frozen pretty much I got through the first level see oh whenever I I I built a fence asked Hazel's dad whenever I built the H the fence around his house because it wasn't too long after that because that's the only way I was able to bury her cuz we got a fence in between know good fence is good neighbors so you buried her prior to or after the fs after I buil after does Hazel's dad live next door or he owns a place he owns a place that Hazel and I stay there for cheap beautiful home so was it convenient because you just built the fence was had planned it yeah I didn't plan on doing we built the fence because we kept having people coming into the house or coming to the house trying to buy crack cuz whoever lived there before when before the house blew up it's a brand new house that how that one that used to be there blew up they buried it in the back and then they built a brand new house Hazel dad bought that house people kept coming over knocking because our next door neighbor uh what's her name April she's a little crack [ __ ] and she uh she was selling crack also yeah just built the fence it was not too long after the fact what you what you where did you dig the hole with shovel okay you didn't use an existing trench or ditch or no how deep you think I know exactly deep here's the house there's the front door there's your window north south east west I take it Al there just sorry this is there's one other house over here this 29th two bodies were discovered at this location it was a risky choice for white to make given he lived with his girlfriend and could have been spotted by Neighbors at any time there was also the chance of an animal digging the bodies up before he realized they were Disturbed their Discovery L waight to his story about killing multiple women and several Law Enforcement Officers believe that white may not have disclosed all of his victims okay how soon after you know I'm not I'm not telling you guys this stuff because I'm scared and I'm not telling you because I think I'm busted because you guys had not a [ __ ] clue about any of it no but I'm doing this I want everybody I just want it to be known I don't want their families to suffer and I'm so sorry that they lost their lives I'm sorry you know they don't where did you say the girls name Ania Maria Gonzalez burned in my head old girl watch maybe 20 beautiful beautiful I'm short Hispanic about 19 beautiful I think brown eyes I'm thinking Brown how' you kill him I strangled her with a belt I told her and I didn't want her scared either I told her I was going to let her go told her you don't have to be scared okay cuz I didn't want her to sit there and be terrified the whole time and then get killed I didn't want to hurt her like that or torture no [ __ ] you know it and I knew it had to be done at that point you see I believe I'm possessed I know that sounds weird but I can't seem to stop I'm a good-hearted person I've done a lot of good in my life I've done great things you know but I can't stop I I can't now but yeah the girl at kofax and F her you you estimated 10 minutes how about this girl something happened with her cuz uh I told her I had to tie her up I had to make her naked so that she wouldn't run and she cried but I was reassuring her she was okay and then I [ __ ] tightened the belt around her neck was she naked prior to no I had her cloth I put her clothes on her so that she and we' had sex done our thing her Hazel must have been going long long time because I had her for quite a while had her about a day or so how you keep her a day or so handc what you going to do handcuffed anything no no just handcuffed yep and then when I went to sleep I handcuffed her to me so that if she got up to leave I you know she couldn't go nowhere never fought no she just wanted to live she told me I just want to leave stay with my friend I just want to go she said I know I'm down here on the cax I'm [ __ ] up I shouldn't be down here I know when she was a good girl she came from money where are her parents they're in see I I kept her driver's license then I got all scared and I chopped up in little tiny pieces and threw it out as I'm driving down the highway and know piece here piece there afterward yeah what' you do with the rest of her [ __ ] $12.99 Harrison I threw it in that dumpster your former res stud so she was with you what day day and a half you said mhm what time of day did you bury her I dug a hole right in the middle of the day right in daylight fence up right the Pence up is this like a six foot wood or what kind of yeah it's a six foot on the inside but it's better than seven on the outside because the ground goes down okay I didn't pull up her minut or anything so how long after you use the about to strangle her did you bury her oh Jesus I left her and a Hazel was coming home because I put her in a like a box put her in a little tiny box she was little she fit in a little what kind of box a plastic um like storage thing that like you buy from Walmart you know the C the lid that goes over the top did you have it at the house it was at the house it was a toy box at one time I dumped that's right I dumped all the [ __ ] toys out of it and buried her in the plastic box no I you L yeah okay I put her in the Box she's downstairs in the basement in the laundry room this is after you strangled yeah oh yeah she was dead okay but something happened to her her [ __ ] blood came out of her and that freaked me out because the first one didn't there was no blood or anything but she had blood coming out of her nose and out of her mouth I assumed I shattered that bone or whatever about how long I you strangled her did she die Pur no just the blood oh as soon as I did it she start B I thought maybe she hammered I thought maybe she had something wrong with her and I and that it happened because she couldn't breathe or something I mean I wrapped it up and then she I just held on to her but we prayed before we did that we prayed again and again and when when did the plastic toy box come into play as soon as I realized that uh that she was dead I had to get I had to put her body in something say I was going to come home and I didn't have time to bury her and she's bleeding and she's bleeding and I right away I put a piece of plastic under her mouth a plastic bag so it would catch everything but it you know there was still blood and I'll show you where it's at and when when did you and you kept her how long in the Box before you buried her day two days did you I couldn't get the whole dug because it was [ __ ] cold and I had to use a pick to get through the permafrost or what or not per but through the ice and then I uh realized that if you the ground was real hard hard hard and then I realized if you just put a hose in the ground and run the hose as long as it's not frozen it'll soften it up and so then I did that and then I got down as far as I could and I filled it up with water again let it soak in and I dug it out softened it up yeah he said earlier that uh there are stains at the house on Alan where are those stains I poured bleach on the one on her stain where were they okay that's put number two there t and how about where is that where the blood was right here right by her head simultaneous I mean right after you Strang she's still alive bleeding I heard her girl and I'm sorry you said number one was about 10 minutes how about number two how long did it take seemed like she died a little quicker I don't know um you see look I couldn't they were face down because I couldn't look them in the face okay they were face down on the floor yeah because I could not look her in the face either anybody where were you positioned on her back I was on top of her holding her down straddled yep knee to the back straddled sitting on sitting on the back lifting up was it have broken her neck they were nude yeah uh I made her take her clothes off I told her so she wouldn't and the reason I ask you some things RP is because I've been around way too long and seen way too much [ __ ] A lot of times this [ __ ] happens and I've seen circumstances like this and a lot of times this [ __ ] happens during SE I wasn't having sex with her at that point were you cloth yeah okay so number two this young lady what did you do with her clothing $12.99 harison all of her clothing all of it I kept um driver's license I kept her driver's license I kept her watch I kept her I put her watch right up by where you guys found me tonight out in the forest so that she' know what time it is okay now it appears that you you show respect what is there uh again a Memorial monument where this watch is it was just a tree and we were up hunting and it was just the prettiest tree around and I was thinking about her and I knew she was right there with me and I could hear all the demons telling me [ __ ] how many times you been back to this tree never never I never I can't find it we were back out in the woods I can't find it I've looked when you say we me and Mark what Mark is this Mark Mattis know I told him I killed people I told everybody I that's what sucks I told everybody who's everybody Mark mat Mark Jason knew I was a killer U my sister knows I'm a killer who ratted me out tonight um how' she know I told her she knows where the [ __ ] she knows where they're at Danielle white was the sister that white had the closest relationship with and often stayed in her apartment when she turned him in several friends and family members turned against her causing her to sink into a depression after losing her job and falling into alcoholism Danny alwh was finally able to realize that she did not share her brother's guilt how' she know where they're at I told her I had to confess I couldn't was killing me to hold in you no idea maybe do I don't know I hope you don't Mark Danielle what's what's your sister's name Danielle Kathleen white who else did you tell um just about everybody I meet I tell everybody I'm a Serial killing I tell everybody I can't stop why do you think you do this because I got these voices telling me that nobody likes me that I'm a failure because I've hated my mother I know everybody thinks that it all boils down to that but it doesn't because no matter how good I am to women I'm very good to them they always cheat on me is it and I don't want to put words in your mouth no you're not is it anger is it thrill I've seen it you know we've seen it all I know it's not a thrill because you know what I used to think I had that in my heart when I when I went and got that first girl I thought that this was something I was going to want to do with desire there was a desire there I wanted power it was a power thing at first and the second that I like had her all tied up then it was fear is that one or two number one I killed her out of fear because she was going to tell on me sorry one number number one I told her you know I knew she was going to tell on me and I was scared and I told her I wanted to let her go and I'd get I wanted to let her go so bad I was done you know I had sex with her and I whatever rage I was feeling I didn't feel that anymore nothing rage toward him everything mostly women I guess so what are we talking how many months here like 9 10 11 between 1 and two 10 BR desire between lots lots of desire desire to kill yeah every day you murdering every day all the time you go out look all the time pick up hookers almost every day and why didn't you do it then I mean stupid question I know no it's not a stupid question I've asked myself that about a thousand times because I didn't like it I hated it I didn't want to take anybody's life anymore I didn't want to hurt anybody some things we can't control and then number two I just liked her so much I just wanted to take care of her I wanted her to like be with me I knew that wouldn't happen she was being a [ __ ] to me anyway soon as I didn't have money she's I don't know [ __ ] you blah blah blah oh you were nice as pie a minute ago you know when you thought I had pocket full of money any particular thing you look for I just hunt so it's like I mean you look for the weak you look for the ones that are alone who don't have a pimp you look for the ones who are all by themselves you know you got to make sure they look around when they're getting in the car making sure nobody's watching isolation um any parameters like girls that were ad them and about not going no such and such place uh darkhaired women younger thin any ethnic I love Spanish women and Leto Spanish I believe Mexican whatever I don't know if there's a difference they're going to kill me here in jail okay then what have you pulled up in the parking lot yeah pulled up in the parking lot it's almost like it's almost like I was told where to go you know but she gets in and I ask her the same thing you know how much blah blah how much to come to my house and uh it's like 50 bucks I think okay took her back took her back what Al be on okay and I tackled her as soon as you got in the house yeah just take control right away okay but then i' already felt it already in there sorry so you tackled as soon as you get in the house mhm soon you get in the house or down wait did you wait till you get the bement no took her into the house and tackled her right there on the floor in the living room right as you walked in closed the door and tackled her how do you get these girls to house cuz the girls I know aren't going to be going places like that oper money do anything for money you're just nice you're charming white typically targeted women he believed would have no outside connections that would worry over their disappearance at least one of them was known to disappear for months at a time disturbingly white was so successful that if he hadn't killed Richard their murder might never have been discovered you're respectful you act friendly you [ __ ] fake them out okay so after you tackle her what happened took her clothes out or made her take her clothes off I didn't even handcuff her and then uh that sex so you tackle her yeah and and she's like okay whatever whatever okay I'm not going to fight you just whatever don't hurt me okay I'm not GNA hurt you I said and if you do what I say you know everything will be okay and you can be on your way okay and uh so I tackled her what this girl look like dark hair longer she had longer hair I don't remember any tattoos or anything on her and see that's why I'm bummed out right now cuz I'm afraid that you guys aren't going to be able to figure out who they were the race machine Spanish okay any just okay no tats anything distinguishable I think her teeth were a little messed up I don't [Music] remember 22 24 24ish I'm going to say she had a whole bunch of albums not with her but she told me about her album collection it was a lot of heavy metal old rock and stuff um when was this about a day and a half two days after a day or two it might have been the very next day after analia I'm thinking it was like the day after that though okay so you tackle her she takes off her clothes on her own is that correct I told her to you told her to she did she was cooperate oh yeah then what happened we had sex straight mhm okay well yeah she gave me head too several times um what the hell see Hazel was going to come home and I had to kill this girl oh I ended up handcuffing her and I TI I handcuffed her tied her feet made her stay like underneath the stairs and I told her what's underneath the stairs there was an old bed and stuff uh it was all taken apart but I knew nobody would go back there I Hazel wouldn't go back there it was just like an opening it's it's not a room in itself no okay uh no it kind it's just it kind of is but there's no door but there's a there was a bed in there not a bed just a bed frame and there it wasn't made up you just ask me what was down there uh just some wood for a bed frame it's not like it was set up for this or anything so then what so then I uh told her you're going to have to be quiet my girlfriend's coming home and if you make any noise I'm going to have to kill you I'm going have to kill her and I'm going to have to kill myself and I told her all these things and she belied me I told her I have to tell I have to close your mouth she said I won't make any noise I said I can't take that chance closed their mouth for her would you used to do that I'm thinking a bandana you're thinking you don't know I don't know you have to understand when she's handcuff right yeah you have to understand when these things were going on I couldn't even see I was like blind I I couldn't hear very well all my senses were gone except for I don't I don't know completely out of my [ __ ] mind though just weird like possessed fully possessed f myself too you have to stop you have to stop and I'd hold him and I'd comfort him and we'd cry and I just hold them and hug them and i' ask them about their life and I told him about mine and told them all my problems and I you know they seemed like they cared but it was only because they were scared and I just wanted them and I felt so bad for him I told him I felt so bad for him and I was so sorry that they were in any kind of situation like this and I'm so sorry and I told him didn't your mother ever tell you don't get in a car with a stranger you know and they tried not to look at me that's one thing I remembered none of them wanted to look at me and I told them it's okay so how long was this girl with you i' want to know what a monster looked like too well I told her to be quiet cuz I kept her I picked her up in the day like and then you were working there I I think so I think I was at Skyline at that point I think I was still no like I may not have been working at skylin anymore I don't remember a lot of things just things that really stick out like okay days things so you told her to be quiet then what and she was cuz I this is the first day right yeah okay and uh was coming home so said be quiet she was quiet all night I checked on her time from time to time how do you keep her in handcuffs and Tighter legs was she handcuffed anything no where' you tie her legs with a belt you gagger mhm with bandana I think okay and you checked her when a lot like five or six times I'd say during the night Hazel's home yeah Hazel was home Hazel ever know what's up I'm not a clue okay I told her I was thinking about killing people told her I had a pro I needed help I said please help me please help me you know help me to help him so nobody else gets hurt anymore so what happened then you checked her five or six times through the night yeah brought her some water several times cuz she was thirsty and then she just kept sleeping she was just trying to sleep you know Mak it all go away or whatever and I uh I uh waited and Hazel went back to work the next morning where she working had to be down south in the Denver Tech Center for that Accounting Office okay like real estate accounting so what happened after she went to work uh I got her up and we didn't have sex anymore but we talked about everything and we prayed we're praying and uh I told her I had to kill her the prayer became part of White's ritual much like like his method of strangulation this can be just as important to a serial killer as the type of victim they choose and if they're unable to perform this aspect they may reconsider the Target or the timing she said no no no you don't have to kill me I'm not going to say anything that's the next morning yeah it's about noon we watched the movie I don't remember what movie I fed him I fed her and uh just like stupid burritos in the freezer and so I fed her uh talked and then I uh told her to go back downstairs I had to tie her up again cuz Hazel was coming home but at this point I knew I had to do something what time of day was this a little I don't know 5ish afternoon yeah we hung out all day was she bound tight nope I told her if you run you're done she said no I'm not going to and I and I did she close yeah okay yeah I think she was wearing something white she's still wearing something white so it's approaching 5:00's coming home and I'm like what do I do I want to let her go so bad I just want it to I just want all this to be over I want it to be done you know and I want to let her go but I can't and Hazel's coming home so we go back downstairs I take her back down to the basement over by right where she had been laying sleeping by right by the under the stairs I tell her I have to kill her she you know she looked me in the eyes and she just kept I probably would have said the same thing just wait a minute wait a minute you know just saying anything just wait a minute I said I have to I said turn your head and I put a belt around her neck and I cinched it up and prayed out loud like yelling praying while you're doing it yeah CU I knew Jesus was standing right there so you cinched it up and what happened she died is this the first one you cinched up meaning no well what I mean RP I think okay EXC you can either go like this or you can cinch up can cinch up like this yeah yeah that's how on all of it the first girl I tied the like that yeah that's how I did it okay the first girl what first girl they had the Rope stuff the little ropes and I tied those like this no I just tied him in not on the first girl yeah well I mean to where she's choking and I'm not even there and then uh I know you guys are in her no [ __ ] I know where to go going first girl you TI a that second girl I put a i s a a an a [ __ ] belt one of those belts that are all cross threaded you know braided yeah that way I mean it could go all the way as tight as you wanted it to are all creatures of habit you might say did you use the same particular belt every time or rid of everything time whatever was handy I had to get rid of evidence every time okay so what where did you get rid of quote evidence every time first time I burned it all then got away with it I might have but I didn't want I didn't get away with it not in my heart not in my soul and then the second girl I took all of her clothes and [ __ ] bag that had her blood on it you know I put it in a I'm pretty sure she's naked I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure and I put it in the uh dumpster at 12299 Harrison just one my friends were sleep just why didn't you put it in the in the plastic box or the box was her cuz I was going to get rid of it and separate her from the this the second girl we're talking about right she yes okay because I was going to get rid of her clothes throw them all away and hope that the dumpster guys just came and you know didn't pay any attention took the [ __ ] away yeah they did you ever did you ever did you just leave her buried number two yeah she's there I mean did you ever cuz people sometimes revisit I visit it every day they right outside my window you know never brought her back up no no I go out and pray every day with him did did you bury her in the Box no no she's she's in [ __ ] like several a double bag and she's in a lot of bags what did you do with the bag it's still there still where probably asa's house unless they've thrown it away so where' you bury her in again I was going to take her somewhere but I couldn't cuz I don't remember why but it didn't work out that I was going to be able to go anywhere and I knew if they ever found the bod they would come back to me because I wrapped her in a I want to say I want to say Duff bag and one of those army bags army bag yeah it's that's big S like the bag Jason had downstairs big hockey bag type no the old uh seabags green seag yeah the kind yeah yeah the strap the kind that you can put CP clip yeah that was number two how about number three she might even be tied up in there number three number three was like the sloppiest of all there's probably some things that are so did this girl dressed when you yeah like a white jumpsuit what you did you wrap or anything no cuz see has um was coming home and I killed her and she just laid there I excuse my ignorance but you know it's like I would think that Hazel would look out the backyard and say yo what's with all this dirt being you know Gary told you himself I'm the hardest working person I've ever met I can dig a hole and bury it is there grass there no dirt yeah nobody goes back there were you concerned that Hazel go out and it's like what's going going on back there yeah very concerned but at the same time I wanted to be caught did you keep anything from this girl tring remember what had because people keep stuff I know I know I kept um from the second girl is who I kept stuff from the one thing that was prominent was a uh cross on who number two Ania you liked her didn't you yeah I did kept a cross a watch yeah and the cross had um a ruby a red ruby here one here while like many serial killers felt the urge to take the Souvenirs of his victims this is usually done so that they can relive the kill every time they see the object in White's case he only holds on to an item until he becomes afraid that it may link him to the victim or he can dispose of it in some type of ceremony that he finds meaningful here but this was a little bit longer in between here what happened to the glass well I figured it was recognizable and I took it apart and kept the stones and then I went to the most beautiful place in the world and I said those stones I kind of just I was praying and I faced the South and I threw one to the South and I tossed one to the West what did you do with the cret oh I crumpled it up and threw it out the window as I was driving so where's the most beautiful place in Pike National Forest Pike yeah any particular place of Pike were they uh two places tonight I know I'll never get to see it again either can't believe that oh right so where I'll take you guys everywhere that I did everything I I threw Jason's gun I through Jason SP look out a mountain which gun his Paretta that I took where it look at Lookout pretty big yep you go up look out Mountain like you're going up towards those parking areas you know not all the way up to that Park from the golden side or no from the yeah where you go through the big gate go 6th Avenue hang a right yeah the two pillars yeah yeah you go up that road you're going around and around you know those two switchbacks as you're on the other side they're real hairy there's like a Switchback and you really turn mhm and then you come around there's another one I uh tossed three clips I'm sorry you pull into one of the pull offs there's a time you pull off right here and I tossed I took the gun apart and wiped all my prints off of it you know what do you mean you took it apart just the same buing broke it down yeah that's pretty deep down there is that through pretty deep there threw them as hard as I could too piece by piece how about the magazines y same place yep I didn't take the magazines apart and man killing Jason was an accident okay pleas but you know what I had it in my heart anyways for killing and I had every intention of going to PUO and [ __ ] smoking these [ __ ] Who besides Amanda was Amanda yeah [ __ ] her she robbed me I had every intention on killing her and her death [ __ ] SI the hell angel on me I didn't do anything so you TS Jason's where do you leave the 22 what did you say 22 the little one little twist 22 you left it in the save mhm what did you do with the safe again 12299 Harrison okay see if I stwake here it's all right how long this number three how long ago was that it's right before I moved to my sisters uh must have been a little bit oh talking October is of last year last year yeah I think where's your sister living then PLO okay so it's before you went down to pleo when did you leave albian uh I'm thinking it was before my birthday which is no it was right after my birthday you left alvan right after your birthday yeah so this the number three was right before your birthday when your birthday not too far before so tell me what when how about uh after number three can we smoke some more well I don't have any they're going to go get a pack out of my car how about after number three oh there's been a lot of kidnappings um girls off the street yeah girls work in the street yeah any girls that weren't working the street they're all working the street every one of them you're sure that they're working the street positive cuz that's kind of what sets me off I guess say when the what said you got I'm they get in the car and then they're going to they ask me if I have a girlfriend or anything like that I say yes and yet they're still I didn't but they're still going to be with me they don't care about people they have no compassion they don't care if they're going to spread a disease or anything so kidnap how many and what constitutes to you kidnapping forcefully taking somebody somewhere uh there was a girl not too long ago I left her ass up on the lookout mountain handcuffed just kick her to the side of the road told her get the [ __ ] out of the car handc yeah I said do you want to live and she's like yes she didn't have a shirt on so why are these why were these different cuz I've been trying to stop cuz I don't want to hurt any anybody and I'm just trying to understand okay because believe me I've talked to people and I have come to know through those people that desire that I've been told it Gul that it's all people think about absolutely I wake up and I think about it I go killing yes so why why not after number three last October well before your birthday why not any after that or is was there after that there's family members that are upset there are families that have no closure the the the victim's families yes the girls's families they have no closure they're laying awake at night wondering what happened to their baby you know no matter how much they were fighting no matter what kind of problems they had they're still worried you know I didn't want to put anybody else through that okay uh I got four sisters you know I don't want I understand I think about it when I wake up I think I dream about killing do you want to I don't want to kill anybody okay but is there something you I don't want to put basically I think it's God telling me that everybody dies and everybody does something for every reason everybody dies for a reason and it's always time when it's their time and I told God I don't want to be your tool to kill anybody because I don't have it in my heart I used to think that maybe I did at one time I thought maybe I did but I can't get it out of my head I cannot get it out of my head at all I wake up in the morning and I see death you know I pray every morning for the girls all day long I drive along I'm sitting there with people and I'm just thinking about killing you know how often do you Cruise drive the facts every waking moment every time I'm not don't have to be somewhere else really if I've got any money in my pocket will go sometimes even without money cops ever stop you no and I drive around in a [ __ ] car with no Muffler it looks like a low rider I got a [ __ ] cracked windshield this big because that girl punched it and then what girl that I left up there and what happened uh what happened up with uh with Gary you seem to like it there I did you've been up there what three weeks three and a half weeks more yeah yeah what happened last week well I woke up and I've been tired and homeless man and I've been busting my ass working myself dead been sleeping in that cutless yeah so you've been busting your ass yeah and I had to get rid of my dog my only best friend you know okay and uh so I got rid of the dog gave him to the family like camping then I'm working for Gary And I'm thinking finally maybe I can do something okay you know but I got guilt like you don't believe I got so much guilt and no matter how much I try to block out the things I've done in my mind so what happened after you and Jason were camping came back and I told him I got arrested because I had to take the day off I couldn't just this my new job I couldn't tell him hey I'm pussing out on you I had to [ __ ] sleep and I did and I was sick I think I had West n and uh where did you sleep my car where at I usually just find a dark Street somewhere where there's trees or something up back shop no that's too industrial I always figured I'd get [ __ ] with there by the cops you know they're going to think I'm up to something where' you go um in uh the creature is a habit remember I know around the backs I go park on like I'd drive car cax and look down streets and just basically see if there was somewhere dark if there was I'd go into the block come around you know go a couple blocks back and make sure nobody's looking around [ __ ] chamber my weapon and fall asleep hope everything turned out okay you know it doesn't cuz I go to sleep and I got these [ __ ] up dreams and I uh I went back to work I need to I got to do this I got to do something real with my life I'm just [ __ ] up and uh I wish I had an excuse I wish I had a drug user I wish I was you do anything as far as drugs no besides weed no I don't drink I drink sometimes I mean lately uh like for the the weekend when we went up there to the mountains I got ripped I got really drunk with Jason yeah I drank like a half gallon of Jim Bean by myself Jason liked his Jim Bean yeah Jason liked a lot of things you know no crank no Rock I've done math before not for a long time junp heroin no I've never shot up anything never fired up never CU I knew if I did I'd probably like it too much my friends all a lot of my friends have died not all my friends but some of my friends have died doing it you know I'm uh I got my tattoos on my arm my three scorpions for those three girls got my a eagle on your back no put on your back you got a backpack right yeah not big I I got a dragon dragon dragon that's got a angel but she's defeated and I got her just because of the people I've hurt you [Music] know this is the end for me you never kept anything be straight with me this is the end for me right I'm I know you're know oh you can't say a lot of things that were taken into consideration I know I should had none this none of this stuff's been verified put a shove on the ground it will you well you know it wouldn't be the first time you played me a fool this time buddy I know you're not I know I'm not your buddy but I'm uh two of White's victims have never been found their names and the exact time of their deaths are unknown which makes it nearly impossible to link them to White even if they are discovered at a later date yeah I do understand sometimes but this is really personal stuff I know this is a pretty personal time I don't understand Jason accidentally the gun went off on accident okay but okay I can understand a gun going off on accident SE way too many accidental shootings but why did I clean up and leave yeah CU I knew I knew nobody was going to believe me I knew I'd start getting investigated somebody would they wouldn't believe you as far as what that it was an accident cuz I want to put you know I want your side man knew nobody would believe me it was an accident right how how about taking a shi though I had to leave all I took was the evidence and the and um some money to get out that's all I took cell phone that was it safe the cell phone I took cuz it was covered with blood could you open the safe the safe was open and you took it over to was that add 1299 Harrison Street the safe was open the only thing I took from him [ __ ] life huh why did I why didn't you I was scared and I thought I was going to have to have a shootout you got the Glock so they got M16s but then you stripped it down and threw it yeah straight up I'm dancing you jack you didn't take you didn't shoot his ass for the car straight up why would I go and park it why would I just leave I don't know man I know okay no I take his [ __ ] I did not take his life for no [ __ ] car Jason was my friend okay you know [ __ ] happened next thing I know don't know Jason's dead okay I know that I see him he's dead I've seen it before I know what death looks like how did it happen we're sitting an accident [ __ ] with our guns I didn't even have a clip in my gun I didn't even have a clip where was the magazine in my pocket but it was chambered and I do not remember chambering that gun there's no way I'm like gun safety guy number one ask anybody that knows how far were you from a little farther than me you not much like y just like that that petition right there that paneling the the one that goes to the corner that's the door where were you in correlation to that door mov your chair to where you were with the door so I can understand I'm right here okay here's the door where you from the inter from the TV entertainment center right at the corner of it what corner the door Corner the Mr Potato Head corner I don't know Mr Potato Head in the corner I I didn't I don't know um there here's the door mhm okay here's his dresser I'm like right over here in front of this dresser show me how you have to I I I we're sitting around like this we're looking at him I'm telling them this one sucks compared to that one because of this that and the other M you know and we're going around and I said you never want safety because if you do that now I know Jason's dead you know so how far A little bit like this yep barl was closer to his head than then it wasn't much closer no way no way I'm telling you why am I going to lie after all this I mean you got me dead bang you know no the bar touch him after that his hand which hand the one that was upside down I told him goodbye how did he touch it yep cuz it was that hand but it's turned over the other way turn it yep yep it was like I just said goodbye did you try to comfort him at all blank it on him no put a pillow underneath him no there was no Comfort anymore his brains are all over you know he was pouring out onto the thing and I sat there and I was like oh my God you were Seated on the floor I was on the floor there a lot of [ __ ] on the floor I know the judge who presided over White's case was convinced that this was not an accident the trajectory was all wrong and did not fit with his story the judge also did not believe that anyone as familiar and concerned with gun safety as white would point a weapon at someone while they were cleaning it I it was did you uh after this happened because you know Jason wasn't the needest person right I understand that doesn't make him a bad person by means did you go through his [ __ ] there's prescription pills strewn about the floor he was pretty upset throwing [ __ ] around he was what was he upset about what was he upset about he was hung over we didn't have any more pot he was looking for pot he was angry he couldn't find a pot I know that but you have you know because they have to go through the investigation they have to figure out whether it was an accident or not and all this and that and they got to keep me somewhere while they're doing that but again explained to me you said the evidence you were scared so you take the safe with a bullet mark on it you take the gun get rid of that [ __ ] cell phone it had nothing to do with that the ride [ __ ] you know you got feet you could walk not from out there all of a sudden okay now all of a sudden I've got you can you can survive in the mountains but you can't survive in southeast aora I mean I'm just trying to understand okay well the mountains you can just sit somewhere and not worry about things you can't do that in aora you know you're going get [ __ ] with or shot or the because it was full of blood how about the I knew my fingerprints were on it I didn't want to wipe it off what did you do with the cellone it it's in the bag with the save but you used it yeah you called your sister pH yeah I sure did okay so you mean when did you dump it after that how how long after as soon as as soon as we left as soon as I left from the house I went and got gas and then I went and got some money and I had um I had a safe in the car in the truck with me where do you have the safe in the truck up front on the floor yeah it's just a little safe just one of those little fireproof boxes so you you went and got money what ATM machine did you go to um 7even on CX and I don't know I don't know what street it is what kind of bag is the white plastic bag white plastic bag trash bag what did you do with the round it's in Wyoming where I threw it out the road out this out the window where go where mhm I was just going straight through I was going Canada um 25 okay where abouts did you toss it on the C it was foggy um pass Casper somewhere how far north did you go I was pretty close to Montana and I was like this is ridiculous and I started considering look I have to go back and just tell them what happened you know and I started talking myself into that I got to tell him what happened maybe that they're going to believe me I was feeling bad for Jason because I didn't want anybody to think that he just sat there and was doing something bad I didn't want them to think anything bad about it I started feeling really bad about [ __ ] not turn around when when was this you turn around the next day uh [Music] Monday there Monday how' you pay for the gas his credit card had you dump the ship down by then prior to going north oh yeah I don't to here so where else did you use the card the one gas station and the other gas station just two gas stations I just put gas in it's only place I used it where the one down there on [ __ ] uh right I and then somewhere in Idaho or the Wyoming when did you get back in Colorado back to Colorado at about well 12:30 in the afternoon when today yesterday yesterday just a whole ass I can drive now remember uh Cas I'm long L past Casper North Casper yeah turn around you have to understand I left it like I left here late in the night got that girl went she want to [ __ ] crack like I was telling you and then you realize I have a girl with me this whole time that I'm driving right the girl you picked up one to go to Canada mhm when did you don't her about 12:30 I mean I just drove straight to her house where's your house tenton [ __ ] T Hill Apartment yeah apartment what corner of the intersection I went through the alley drop drop in the alley it's on the south side of the block south side of tenth and Logan well no there's there's tth and Logan I think we're on Tenth it in in those numbers you know it was 10 something Logan well minimum probably minimum n 10 hours you get to know somebody pretty well what's the girl's name Teresa Teresa white girl black girl white girlan girl real how old I think she's older than me I don't know 32 so you get gas when do you dump the stuff your old your after I got gas I didn't want to get pulled over you drive straight too the dumpster I think I went and got money first the ATM and then over there got all screwed up here okay I'm okay so you go get the ATM you go get the money when do you go to look at yesterday so you kept the gun for a while I told you I thought I was going to be in a shootout but you didn't keep the little one you're going get a sh out you need all the [ __ ] you can get no [ __ ] no no TW 22 man and there those shells anyway okay we popped those shells up there when we went camping and it's a junk little crappy dir the uh magazines for the nine yeah were those loaded the ones you tossed at one point yeah I unloaded them all what' you do the rounds same place mhm I need to go rest back excuse me there's not put your prints on any of them though okay not even one shell I know it doesn't [Music] matter what color is that safe white it's white is it metal no it's one of those fireproof saves the Sentry okay you what I mean yeah I think everybody's got one in their closet this let's go back to number one here you talked about where she is how far off the road is she here 280 steps okay how deep is she buried or is she is she on the Sur the dogs dug her up and ate most of her can you put directions on here her bones are still there is said her hips are SP in her hips yeah where's the cross right by grave her hair is still there at the grave how many times you think you've been back there have ties and I'm sorry when was the last time just a few months ago when I was still put l 10 a half three months I go back to tell her how sorry I am and tell her that someday they'll PL her and she won't have to be out there by herself anymore you know it's got to be scary out there in the darkness where's your clothes and ashes are carvon now bur where you burn him my dad's stum i p five gallons of gasoline on him and torched him here's the star is this your father or your stepfather my father okay my stepfather and my mother know nothing about any of this I told my dad all about this and he said don't say anything just pray how's your how's Duke he's [ __ ] up my dad's more [ __ ] up than I am in what way in what way is it he was a murder investigator that he can get away with Adams County how far is that from the house uh there's like a little driveway here it's right there there's a bunch of trash cars here and when and from when you buried this girl when did you burn the I buried her and then I drove out to the Rio Grand which is right over here and I tried to go to sleep and I couldn't I wait till the sun came up it's like to walk out and do would be carrying a [ __ ] body and you can feel their weight on you and you know it's not her fault you know but we didn't keep anything no CU I I wasn't going to get caught and I didn't but we progressed I mean we moved on because you driver's license for a period of time on the second girl yeah I've never been without a driver I guess I misunderstood what you just said I mean you kept something from the girl second one yeah nothing from number one no second girl because after I got away with it I was like well that was easy as far as the physical part of it you know anything else besides the driver's license articles of clothing the second girl yeah some rings and uh I don't have any of that stuff if that's what you're after I don't have any of it I put the I threw her stones and Pike [Music] the detectives have been insistent about the keepsakes but they provide more than just an insight into Whit's metal processes belongings such as jewelry make it easier to link them to a victim and they can help them to be identified there's a guy named Jason down there buried and uh I didn't do that but uh that put him that threw him by his grave bced so I'm not going to show you're right where that's have but is this a legitimate grave or somebody killed him and buried him well you know they've got a headstone there and all that stuff for them in a memorial and stuff but since you can't bury anybody in a national forest I would say not legi but it you know it says Jason it's got a little headstone and everything for it and did you bury her in anything rapper and anything the first one no naked you took her down in duel bed right right and I took du bag and armed it with everything I didn't mind any blood or anything but I still had blood in the trunk of the car and I knew that because I knew she was you know baking yeah she that was on number one yeah what was she bleeding from I don't think she was really bleeding um I don't know there was some blood and I here's the thing I couldn't look at him I couldn't even look at him and when I got her out of the car she wasn't bleeding when she died but when I did get her out of the car I noticed there was some blood on the uh bag that she was in and uh there and then when I carried her blood got on my shirt and my coat and I don't know so why did you keep her in the bag cuz I knew my hands I I figured cuz I watch forensics and [ __ ] you know I knew they'd catch me I knew if there was any kind of evidence other than just a naked body you know what are they going to do they find a girl dead in the [ __ ] field and there's nothing nothing no tire tracks no clothing no anything what you got to go on nothing there a Char or 200 under 0 steps yeah and you know what halfway through I couldn't carry her anymore and I couldn't set her down gently and I felt so bad and I dropped her and I heard her hit the ground how' you dig the hole I brought shovel with me you carried the shovel along with her first I went and took her out to where I thought you wouldn't be able to see it from the rad but this isn't the darkness you have to understand but God made the light really bright that night he made the moon and there was a storm that had happened but then the moon was shining so bright you could just see everything and it's never like that out there you put her like 5 hour drive huh how long of a drive is it down there from here 5 hours where do you have her on the way down there trunk thinking about her the whole time it's like drive five hours with somebody in your car or what's it like to have your girlfriend come home and know you've got a dead body in the basement you know or what's it like to have to go get number three even though she's been dead for a while and then she's already got [ __ ] rig mortis but you've got to stuff her into something small to get her outside so you got to [ __ ] you got to force the [ __ ] you know how long is she in the basement after she died a day a day or so a little longer but I don't know cuz RI mortise didn't leave yet so I'm thinking the more than 24 hours so straight up I take you out we get my car we drive five M we drive 5 hours I'll take you it'll be it'll be it'll be what be noon you take me there and I want to find a thigh bone godamn right femur tiia skull you know you asked me about keeping the trophies and [ __ ] I didn't keep anything from her but I went back with every intention of taking her head for schull cuz when I did go back it was 3 months after the fact and she was laying there if at all possible a serial killer will return to the scene of a murder or the location of the body multiple times for some it is to relive the thrill for others such as white it is out of fear that they have been discovered oh my God I took my nephews out there with me under the guys of well let's Scout around for turkeys I just wanted to see what was going on I needed an excuse to be out there so I had the little boys with me I looked off in a distance I thought no [ __ ] way she did not crawl up out of the ground but I wouldn't put it past it not in my life you know I think T people talk and they're going to talk today she uh I told the guys go back to the car and I'll be there in a minute and they're bitching about I said just go back and we'll go do we'll go back down to the river and as I'm walking up I'm realizing it's her her legs were torn off of her the coyotes had got to her and her legs were torn off and this is five months later three months three months yeah I'm telling you the truth man you know I know you got to keep asking the same questions I know you got to try to trip me up I know I know I know but it's the same questions over and over I'm not irritated with it I'm just I'm just trying to cut through all the [ __ ] you know we've been up for a little bit over me too yeah and you too so you know now you going to drive for five hours you know copy anyway uh he knows me and know then her head was there and I was going to take her head and I thought oh no then I went and asked my dad how do you get rid of a head he said he take a post hole digger and you dig a real deep hole then you smash it real good and then you throw it down in there you said pull the teeth smash the head as good as you can in little pieces put it six seven ft down he says that way instead of looking for a six foot grave they're looking for a space about that big round and they'll never [ __ ] find it [ __ ] him so did you do that huh did you do that no I got too freaked out I was what I wanted to do we bring her head I know this is [ __ ] up so I was going to drive down cack and just toss her head out the window I know that's really bad but I figured it was somewhat morbid and that kind of appealed to me but at the same time then they'd find her head and they'd be able to see who she was from her teeth and then maybe her and the house some closure as [ __ ] up as that is you know so why didn't you bury her again I mean it's B because I've already you know I mean hell you you took her out there physical evidence I figured nobody's seen her in 3 months why deal with why [ __ ] with it it's pretty unused Road you know we're out there in the middle of nowhere did your dad know where it is no so how deep are number two and number three you're what three foot 4 foot but I've got concrete and rocks on top of them both what kind of concrete Quick Sack couple sacks mhm you do this in the middle of the day mhm isn't it amazing in rocks underneath the ground the Rocks underneath the ground bricks rocks anything how far underneath the ground not vegetation no on top of it no if you put cor set in your foot rocks it's going to screw up the vegetation on top yeah there's no vegetation so I don't I don't let's go drive by the house man well you probably will hope you know it's like I said it wouldn't be the first time I can't write one of those but can I have one of those in a little bit we'll go outside I'm not going can I know it's the smoke that's the issue I'm just freaking out guys the detectives believe that white was going to lead them to the bodies of the two female victims but he surprises them partway through the interrogation by claiming that there are two more although he doesn't believe it is possible to find them so between January and September of 2002 yeah using your figures right your estimations number one we're sure about as far as dates but number two we're kind of hesitant so between January and September 2002 yeah she say what's up are you a cop the same old [ __ ] you know show your tits that kind of thing then uh I asked her how much to go to my house what you got I said I don't know I give you 100 bucks she's like cool I tell Herra what Happ I'm sorry I tell her Pine 100 bucks is cool where do you live the tell her over here in roora so come back out get on 25 go over to uh buy that place where you obvious think you might Liv jeel 133 three he's Jewel number 102 something like that okay I take her that parking lot and we're about to get out of the car and I just punch her in her face and make her get down and I handcuff her and I tell her not to get up off the ground okay you take her back you take her over to Jewel at 2885 so what's up with juel who's living there maybe I lived there before I don't know I knew where to go to Jewel though okay so you went to before I lived on okay whenever this happened was before I lived [Music] on it can't be couldn't be between one and two then it can't be but I know she's the first I know remember one's the first I know she is okay but you you take her to Jewel were you living at juel by yourself I never lived at jeel by myself who were you living with I lived with hazel we always live together you sure you took her to je I took her over there by juel yes it was dark well see here's the thing I know you took her over by Jewel or you took her I don't want to I mean it's your story man did you take her inside the residence no okay go ahead then go ahead but see like I told you time is [ __ ] up for me I don't really understand I don't really remember time too well if uh piss so okay you back all right all right we got some coffee on the way for you I'm just trying not to make anybody nervous you know you're not making any nervous good okay number four pick her up off the T you know Hazel and I stayed with her dad for a while before we moved into jeel thank you mhm thanks Gordon stayed stayed with her dad mhm where at 2885 albon Street cuz I was thinking that you know you're saying that doesn't make sense I'm like yeah really doesn't but Hazel and I lived with her dad then we moved to the apartment and then yeah and then after that we moved back into Alon Street and then we got the whole place to ourselves all right so where are you living at this time I don't know I don't know okay I was pretty drunk okay and I you know I I've been through so many of these weird tramatic things mhm so you pick her up and you go to the parking lot on Joel is that right okay do you get out of the car no okay so tell me what happens I hit her mhm I get on the floor I know if I C her or tighter I imagine a cued her if I was doing it outside you know MH that's quicker and then just drove straight to [ __ ] um the rest stop there on the I25 and just south of or yeah south of Denver there's a rest stop it's pretty nice mhm done by Castle Ro mhm okay yeah okay I WRA my belts around her neck and [ __ ] choked her in the car mhm what car are you in what car was I in I'm thinking that little Sundance that little white one I'm sorry I can't that [Music] because and see having a hard time with the timing on that I'm thinking you know in between those two and between one and two it has to be like I said I you know drinking I know I was with hazel so you uh choke her in the car outside the car front seat back seat on the floor see okay and I just drove on from the how did you my belt without the bodies the police hesitate to believe white he did not kill him in the same manner as the others which while not unheard of is unusual for a killer who has developed a pattern can I dve to the Hun and it must have been later in the day when I got her because it was dark when I went to a hunt and it's not that damn long and I tossed her over the bridge and she's still tied up and she's a darkhaired Hispanic the bridge the bridge that separates right over the plat the Arkansas River what highway is well I don't know you go up from you go to lont which is Highway 50 to get there mhm yeah it's 50 and then you uh go through town keep going keep going on Third Avenue and then it's like it's a left you just go up over left and then you're in North Luna it's the bridge that separates North from South Lun okay was that body recover did you ever read about it in the paper no I've checked everything for everybody I've ever been involved with I've never heard anything one about anybody how high was water it's dark I don't know I hard a splash that's the plat that R what time of year was this see that's where I'm having an issue you know I never wanted to kill anybody I don't feel as I ever needed to kill anybody and then the other girl was roughly the same area where I found her mhm only on this street here this one goes back you can go to fit Simmons or go back on to kofax this is to yeah M of fact okay there's that little hotel right here whatnot MH right on the corner there yep well I was this way where it turns into all that you know dead end stuff over here I picked her up and we went and parked I don't even remember what street I knock the shabber and oh made her to where she' stop stop fting me you know did you have to restrain her yeah was she conscious when you did that yeah how did you restrain her either tied her up or put cuffs on her okay I think I tied her up but I don't you know it doesn't seem right to just tie her up in the car I think I probably had cuffs mhm and how did you children her I strangled her also really R yeah you're sure it's a not what makes you sure in the well you know I'm not sure when and where but I'm sitting in a car right now choking her I'm dead sure and I used it like a turn I twisted it and where was this where were you in this head on the street somewhere found a dark Street cuz we're going to go do our business and I'm just paying attention to traffic like I said was it in Aurora probably Aurora I don't know where the car I don't know where it turns into car into Denver did you drive a car from here I don't think so it's hard to remember I know we came back up this way round about came over back to kofax down and around and we were on the the north side kfax did you head West then on cax or yeah well West back over over here and then over CA and crossed would I don't remember would you allow do you allow the girls to dictate where you go or do you choose where you go it depends like if we're on the street like that I'll you know let's find somewhere dark and then oh I know somewhere to go I don't go to pre-arranged places I'm not about to get jumped killed or whatever and you know usually I would just pick up hookers and just have do our thing I'm sorry where was number four right here I know where I mean where did it take is that was the rest area yeah and number five you don't it was just off the street yeah just where nobody was you know and that was with a rope it was like a piece of [ __ ] rope cord that was in the back of the seat did you keep it there no not for that no I don't know it was just there it may have been part of camping equipment I don't know now would you have sex PR to strangulation no it wasn't about sex no I'm not saying that it was but you said on some of the other girls that that we had sex yeah but I wasn't saying you're going to have sex or I'm going to kill you right you know they were willing to have sex so they could leave or whatever they thought that that would be it I never told him you know [ __ ] me or die no I'm not saying that you did but I'm just saying on number four and five did you have sex with those girls no in the car it wasn't even about sex about not being able to stop anymore okay so back to I'm me it's got to be in between one and them it's got one and the others she's probably in there so in the canal not in the water in the water on the corner no right over this right over the edge right over the edge The Edge is not this tall I know but this road turns right there right there right where so you par did you park in this little parking area and just walk over and Y dump sure did into the canal yeah in the dark when was that do you remember I'm sorry I'm I'm having a hard time with the done the times or when and where I can't even tell you how long I've been with some of my girlfriends or even where we lived or and the only reason I can remember so much about these things is these are life changing events the odds of the bodies being covered or slim after this much time has passed it would be almost impossible to determine where they have drifted and scavengers in the area have likely consumed them or moved any remains out of a probable search area can you describe this girl to me uh Mexican they're all about the same except that first girl uh Pony detail in braids dark hair um the is she wear I don't know cuz she was in the car you know it was one thing when I was standing there with the girls and was able to look them over or whatever but you're in the car it's hard to tell I'm not real chunky at all mostly smaller bills yeah because it's easier to get a hold of them okay I don't care what they were prostitutes or what anything the the girl over the bridge yeah what was what did she look like Mexican they're all Mexicans I don't pick up black girls and white girls just rip you off you know okay her hair was shorter St shorter yeah kind of like right here like the round haircut thing an earring a turquoise earring just one I one number one got to understand man once everything's going down you're paying attention to so many other things you know were they clothed yes both of these were clothed yes unlike you un I didn't have sex with them I didn't want to get have somebody see a dink person in the car and when you drove this trip to to where were they on the floorboard de passengers covered or anything coat yeah coat what C I'm thinking the Sundance see and that that's hard one for me too I I used to drive everything and drove everybody's cars you know I've driven a lot of cars but yeah in that time frame and there it had to be the Sundance I don't yeah had to or the neon could been the neon the sun Dan's Hazel drove that was kind of her ride it was her when I met her yeah and the neon you drove most of the time mhm yeah it was my car but every now and then she'd want to go somewhere in the neon or something and i' take her car okay you know other times I thought I was going to you know was there looking for a red car can I buy you a car today sure she had no problems want to me her car cuz then she got to drive the neon you know which was nicer so any particular reason why these girls were closed and these other three weren't yeah I didn't have sex with him and I didn't have time I wasn't doing anything like that you know and you didn't have sex with him because you were in the car is that correct I understand sex a lot it wasn't about sex at but that's what I'm saying I'm trying to answer your question it wasn't about sex it was about you know God telling me they had to die okay you know it's time for them to die all right no and I know you you've already told me you're having problems with time did these two girls follow each other or was there somebody in between them no they were it was those two like in like a week or two weeks 3 weeks some time went by mhm and then it was the other one M were there any that suffered any injury besides strangulation the that girl I told you about just now that I threw over this one I hit her a couple times CU she started to fight me to get out the door closed test yeah just once or twice until she stopped I wasn't trying to hurt them I didn't want to hurt anybody SP you moved out or you this quit and you said you quit this in October is that correct around October give or take and here it is September going on close to October we almost a year why why is the voice is not there no they're there they're there that's why I'm homeless that's why I can't keep no job you know how do you keep from doing this well I sex as much as I could I was with Charlene for five months then I went to Arizona because I had to get away from Colorado I thought maybe it's Colorado doing it to me so I went to Arizona and I got into a big old fight with this guy there ended up getting some girl pregnant then she takes H goes back to her husband and now she's kind of my baby you know and uh I had to leave Arizona and I came back there is no evidence that white murdered anyone else while living outside of Colorado although there are still some who suspect that there could be at least a few more victims white has avoided mentioning now St Daniel and Trisha a little bit and I was trying to not be a burden so I leave there and I've just been running I've been going non-stop because if I'm moving I'm not thinking about it if I'm like if I got something to do I try not to think about you know what I mean no no don't get me wrong I've got all I want to I don't want okay I don't want to kill anybody what that's all I hear you got to kill them kill them kill them kill them kill them you know not because you're a bad person not because they're a bad person but it's time for them to die and you might not understand the ways of God this is what is being said to me you might not understand the ways of God but it's not for you to understand it's for you to obey you know and I've tried to obey I've tried to be a good person I've tried to do what I have had in life and now look so what is God a liar is he [ __ ] me you know cuz here I am dead on my way to prison going to die and you know or Worse that's much worse in prison and death I tell you you know and I thought I knew I wasn't doing the right thing but I had to do it because if you don't do it your life just starts to turn to hell every time I didn't do what I was told everything would fall apart everything I cared about and love everybody you love and care about goes away everything goes away in the end nothing is permanent except life and death and I was just part of something I was just you know we're all put here for a reason I didn't want this to be my reason I did not want to [ __ ] be a killer you know you've done it here I did not [ __ ] kill Jason on purpose you know and I thought great you know [ __ ] know what the [ __ ] I don't have accidents like that you know I am very careful I always wear my seat belt I always have everything on safety I lock the doors you know I tell everybody to be careful before they leave even people I don't know drive safe you know I don't have [ __ ] accidents like that it's like it was meant to be obviously it was cuz here it is it's done none of this is getting taken back nothing and I can't do anything about it and I feel like I got some big stupid huge joke played on me you know it's like God lying or something and I don't want to piss God off because now I'm [ __ ] anyway I did something wrong piss him off yeah can he just screams at me and when I don't he sends the dogs after me okay I know that sounds like [ __ ] or whatever and I don't tell anybody that because the people I have told that just laugh at me you know Jason knew that he just said I don't know how to help you here P I want to ask you something what you're you're saying that you know with Jason accidents don't happen to you you're careful after this happens is there anything that that you do try to follow me I'm not sure how to word this to try to make it like the other ones like you had control over what it happened I have no contr and that's maybe why I freaked out even after being tried and sentenced white was adamant that Richard's death was accidental his insistence is puzzling considering he was so willing to admit to killing the others I always had control of the other situations I've lost control of those situations I've had people get away on me before after he was shot did you put anything around his neck [ __ ] no no no nothing nothing like that no way we weren't even doing anything it wasn't like that I wasn't there to kill him okay that's that's what I'm asking though yeah in your mind did you have to do something to try to make it like it wasn't an accident because you don't have accidents okay you see what I'm saying I've seen what had happened I was I wanted to take his gun and shoot it once since I knew you guys didn't have the bullet in the Shell I wanted to take his gun and shoot it and grab the shell casing and just let you wonder whatever happened to the [ __ ] bullet but I wanted to go and put his gun back like he had killed himself or something because God told me you're never going to do anything again this is it you are [ __ ] you have just [ __ ] yourself and I didn't you know be very careful with Glocks people be very careful I mean obviously with all guns but Glocks especially okay I wasn't even a clip in my gun I didn't if you [Music] know I thought about making it like he was it was suicide and I thought no way well then his family's going to think he killed himself you know he doesn't need that did you they don't need that try to make it look like a robbery or a Invasion home invasion no I just left I took what I thought you guys could catch me for and I boogied and I knew I was [ __ ] on the on the like okay the uh the cell phone I knew I had made a phone call on the cell phone I know it doesn't make much sense but I'm out of my mind at that point you know here's my friend laying there dead bleeding like I've never seen anybody bleed you know so I took the cell phone because I knew it might buy me some time if you didn't know which what number was the last one I knew you could pull up the file and see who ID called last and it was my sister and I knew you'd be talking to her soon then I didn't even I wasn't even going to take his truck I was taking my car I was leaving everything there I just wanted like no part of it anymore I wanted to be away from it no cuz I don't have accidents like that I was out control but I was controlling the situation and the fact that I knew that bullet had hit that safe behind him I seen the [ __ ] dent I oh I know what that is I look over there's the bullet there's the shell case I thought thank you God you know here's God showing me the way out this is the way I'm supposed to go you know and if I don't do what God tells me I have pain okay I get headaches I get [ __ ] these stupid ass dogs barking at me you know I got my [ __ ] pitbull I got a pitbull just so he'd chase him away and you know what didn't happen I thought maybe I thought maybe that whatever was in me might go go into the dog you know and I could just let him loose and let him go do what he had to do and then I thought maybe I wouldn't have to do anything anymore you know did you do anything to try to make him more comfortable Jason yeah no I prayed for him I prayed right there I cried out his name I wanted to touch him but I know better you can't touch somebody without you know leaving finger on and [ __ ] I I touched him there when I said goodbye I just touched him like I'm so sorry I touched him so he knew I was sorry you know I didn't mean to kill Jason I'm so sorry he's dead I'm so sorry his family doesn't have him anymore because he was a wonderful person you know he was 27 years old he had a long life ahead of him where did the when the bullet hit the save where did it go I don't know but it landed there's the bed where he I don't even want to book there's Jason there's me there's the safe boom K goes off Jason leans over bleeding all over the place uh sh bullets right here shell King's over here on the floor on the floor in the store you know where was his phone right here I know right here right well right next to him the blood and you said it got bloody oh yeah where did you clean it up I didn't clean it up I threw it in the back but you used it after that right did you use his cell phone after that no but no uhuh not after he was dead okay no I used it before that to call my sister I'm staying at Jason's you know okay I'm staying over at Jason's house and the ATM card you took the wall cash out of his wallet and where was his wallet on the table I don't remember I think it was on the bed and the ATM card was in the hisory of his vehicle I think you told me yeah so it was a credit card and what did you do with them killed myself basically I uh put gas in the truck with this credit card then I went to an ATM machine and took out $240 I tried for 250 it wouldn't give it to me I took 240 and then I ran around picked up some hookers and I [ __ ] this girl she's like you know freaking out let's go you know or not freaking out I'm freaking out she's like what's wrong I said I don't know man I think my friend is dead did you tell her what had happened yeah I sure did cuz I felt bad I said now I have to go on her name is Teresa okay what what subsequently happened to the cards where are they now yeah a dumpster over behind 333 Logan Street see the reason I know where all these little addresses are all these little knick-knack places you can go and Sh I was a Mak this man in Denver for a long time so the credit card and ATM card are both in are they wrapped up in anything plastic bag along with everything that was in his truck that I thought I might have touched [Music] CU I didn't I knew he was dead I knew I had the truck I knew my [ __ ] picture was on the ATM machine you know and I knew I was I knew it was I was beyond the point of no return anymore you know and I didn't want any of that anymore I got rid of all the things in there I just wanted to give myself some time so white repeatedly told officers and other inmates that he wanted to be disced covered but he contradicted himself with his actions he was careful to hide and Destroy any link between him and his victims it may be more accurate to say that while he had pangs of guilt that did not extend to being willing to being punished for his crimes when did you throw this out 5:00 in the afternoon something like that okay yesterday yeah see I dropped her off at like noonish and then uh I went and cashed in some change at king supers M and then I cleaned out the truck and I took it to a car wash and had them wash it so get rid of all my fingerprints or anything I might have want missed where my truck I think it's on it's in front of a Wells Fargo Building I think it's on Grant right there between 16th Anda okay whever the W far go is right there and then I walked and I walked downtown and I just walked around you know crying missing my friend not really missing him yet but thinking you know hey thinking you stupid [ __ ] RP then I called my sister and she couldn't come get me I still going to see a movie The only reason I don't even like going to see movies but the only reason I did is so I'd have somewhere to hide would you [ __ ] the order it's about about being a sinner and having your sins forgiven without God did you anybody else use the ATM or the credit card no no uhuh okay I threw everything away and that was are you sure it was yesterday uh no it's whole not the day passed it was uh right when I got back from up by Montana so the day before yeah I'm not I don't know why time escaped me it just does it's something I don't get right so I don't even get a figurette now yes I told you I know I told you I haven't had one either you haven't done away all your life either you will get your cette thank you anyone else you sure yeah I'm sure if it comes to me I'll tell you but I'm pretty sure I keep asking God for not only forgiveness but I don't think I to ask him for too much forgiveness since he's the one tongue you know but I ask God to help me to put those things behind me so I can get on with my life because it gets in my way what do you mean pretty sure I don't think I've killed anybody else you know and Phoenix PLO Springs I didn't kill anybody I was going to kill Charlene she knew it that's why she disappeared she left her job for four and a half years took her kids out of school left her apartment six months with at least still G scared her to death and the only reason yeah because she promised me we were going to get married and everything would be okay and I F them up with their kids you know and I just wanted a life like every everybody else you know I thought about killing her but you know what I did what I let her go why you let her go because I figured I didn't care if God tortured me over it I loved her enough torture me I'll take it for her you know sick your stupid dogs on me and I let her go I just let her go white may have been reluctant to kill someone that could be connected to him as the boyfriend he knew he would at least be considered as a suspect she also did not fit the profile of his typical victim which might not have given him the same sense of satisfaction I didn't even really hold her down or anything like that I told her no you're not leaving if you do there's going to be a problem so there might have been a threat there or two you know obviously mhm um numerous numerous times numerous things isn't this enough you know again think about what we're after here that's closure contion for a lot of people so if there's anyone else that you can help with that I know I know then you need to do that I know I do it's hard for me to even remember sometimes it's become such a way of life you know it's become such a part of me but it hasn't been for a year I know so said I mean I know that's what you're telling us it hasn't been for cler a year I know my friend died and I lost my mind CU all of a sudden I'm around death again you know I'm just putting it all behind me and the next thing Jason's dead swear to God like just why couldn't have been his gun going on you know shooting me at least I [ __ ] deserve it you know Jason's a good guy I don't deserve to be alive after what I've done I know that you know just wait you'll see the bodies you won't think so either I told you I'm not here to judge and I shouldn't judge you either I shouldn't tell you what you're going to think and what you're not going to think um I've heard a lot of people in my life I'm taking and taking and taking I've hurt you know my whole life I've been a liar a cheat a thief a [ __ ] [ __ ] up you know what I've always tried to do the right thing I cannot catch a break doing the right thing I'm very hard worker but I can't ever get ahead you know because I have these [ __ ] this calling or something I hear these [ __ ] things and I just can't get past it it [ __ ] with your life every single day it's hard to function when you're not when you got you know people's Souls on your on your conscience you know when there is no chance for eternity of peace there's no peace or happiness in your life anymore no chance for Joy you know it's hard to even work for anything you know and if you know you're going to hell if you know you're going to go burn what's the point in even trying you know by accepting a pedial to help locate the bodies of his victims white managed to avoid the death sentence when his third victim was later identified he was not charged with her death white was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole thanks again for tuning in drop a like if you like this video and check out my patreon page if you want to support the channel even more stay safe and I'll see you in the next one