On December 4th, 2019, these detectives arrive at a man's doorstep to solve the 38-year-old murder of a young mother. They don't realize that they're standing at the doorstep of the killer himself, a man whose sickening secret is moments away from being exposed. >> Yeah. Got some packages. >> Lake County Sheriff's Department also present Detective Russ Hurley. On December 4th, 2019, we're going to be at 12013 Green >> Looks like you got two dogs. >> Yep. >> This interview is in reference to a homicide in 1981, a crime so horrifying that it took away the peaceful sleep of the town for decades to come. And this is the first time they're closest to the suspect. >> You can hear them in there. It's okay. >> You good? All right. >> Hey, Bucky. Hey. Hey. You good? Are you digging a hole? Is that your brother? Oh. >> How are you, sir? >> Hi, Mr. Mills. >> Hi. Come >> I'm Detective Palumbo. This is my partner. We need to come in. >> Sure. >> Hi, Bucky. >> How are you doing? >> Fine, thank you. Hi, how are you? >> I expect him at church right here. >> Oh, you are? I'm sorry to hear that. Hey. Hey, Bucky. They're They're just little shorty dogs. >> Come on. Come on. >> Did he bite you? How are you doing? Oh, you work Oh, okay. >> Frost thrower. Good. >> Probably like Northwest. You work Northwest? >> Okay. All right, cool. >> I see you there at Denny's. >> Oh, yeah. Yes, the only place right? Well, my mom's available now, so >> So >> So anyway, we wanted to just to talk to you real quick. Uh were you able to turn that down at all? Probably put it on mute. >> So So >> So >> Anyway Um just kind of wanted to >> So you >> My dog My dad has the same type of dog as Mark. So he has a black lab, too. I think it's a dog thing. Oh, yeah. It's okay. We wanted to know what kind of weapon he >> This is Joseph Mills, who was only 21 when the crime took place. Well, the problem right now is that his son sits right beside him, completely unaware of the horror his father has unleashed in his day, which is why they asked the son to leave. >> I'm just investigating. I just wanted to talk to >> Police just came in. >> I know. I understand. I And you don't have to I don't have to go far. I don't I mean, I don't I'll be in maybe their bedroom or something or a kitchen or something. Thank you. Well, I'm actually I'll come sit by you. >> Sure. >> That way I don't have to strain across the >> Yeah, I'm good. >> You don't have to tell me. >> Yeah, I'm good. Mhm. >> Internally, the mention of 1981 should not just ring a bell inside this killer, but probably trumpets. However, he is deciding to take a different route. >> Where the softball fields are? Oh, okay. Softball. >> We actually played our games, and uh, you know doing calisthenics and running laps. And then we played our games across the street over >> Oh, okay. All right. So, you guys just practice there, and then you went over and you actually met all the other teams and played at a different location. Okay. >> Jay Mills was a football coach back in his time to many students, but one of them was Timothy Slayton, who was special because his mother, 31-year-old Linda, had caught his eye. >> Well, it was It's from 1981 September. Do you remember speaking to any detectives back then? >> They come to Yes, they come to where I work. All right. >> And that's a long ways back then. Uh Yes, I do remember talking to them, but I don't know exactly what I know that they were there with me. They I guess all the coaches are in there together. There's three or four of us. >> There's three or four of you all in the locker room there? >> That was for our squad. >> Oh, okay. Do you remember any of their names? >> Uh Coach Morrell. >> Morrell? Okay. >> Coach Al. Yeah. >> Well, let's start with something simple. Do you Do you where you were working at that time? Publix, okay. Um they have a bunch of different areas. Do you remember where you worked at? >> At that time I was in the produce >> What? >> The area of produce section. >> Okay, and what did you do there? What? So that's what you were doing at the time. Do you remember how long you were working there? Do you remember back then how long you worked? >> I don't >> Oh, not what Okay. And where did Where did you >> On September 4th, 1981, at approximately 8:35 in the morning, Lakeland police officers were dispatched to apartment 31 at 303 North Brunel Parkway after a woman reported discovering her sister lying motionless on the bed with a wire coat hanger wrapped around her neck. When detectives entered the apartment, they found a sight they would never forget. 31-year-old Linda Patterson Slateon was lying on her back across the middle of the bed. A wire coat hanger had been twisted tightly around her neck. Her dress had been pulled down from the top and up from the bottom exposing her body. Her underwear and shoes lay on the rug near the foot of the bed and investigators observed bleeding from her vagina. All of this brutality was done while her sons, 15-year-old Jeff and 12-year-old Timothy, slept in the next room. Since then, the children, who are now fully grown adults, and the police have been looking for the deranged killer. >> I think it's We're just trying to establish a timeline Just to be able to kind of figure out and know for this this whole thing. I know you said you were with Lakeland volunteers. Do you remember a kid named Timmy? >> I had we had Yeah, we had we had 20 minutes. >> Um did you ever take any of them, you know, like help their family out and provide >> We gave them rides from like like from First Street. We We knew the ones that couldn't and the parents wouldn't take them or they couldn't We gave them a ride there. There was some up on the What's the about the sixth and I'll drive there. >> I like you'll look >> Yeah. >> Um so some of them were driven by the field or something? >> Yeah. >> Um >> Myself and coach Morrell would pick them up and then they'd The main practice was up there. >> How did you know that they needed a ride? Were they >> They would call the coaches or let coaches know. >> Oh, okay. >> And coach Coach Morrell was the coach at that time. >> Okay. Do you remember how often you guys had practice? >> It was more than once a week. I don't want to say twice a week. >> Twice a week? Do you remember what days it was on? >> Um We would play on Saturdays. I think somebody mentioned that. >> As you said, there's like 20 kids on the team, so maybe not remembering one specifically would be able to jog your memory. >> No. No. I mean, we No. No. >> Do you remember when you drove back then? What kind of car were you driving back then? What kind of car was it? So, you you remember talking to the detectives? Um did you talk to them in person? >> They come to the jail. >> Okay. And um do you remember what you said to them or what they asked you? >> They they asked me if I basically what you just said. Did you Did you take kids to and from and we we we did and um Did I notice anything out of the ordinary? And No. I mean, that that Yeah, that parents are it's just kind of more or less on them to get the ball rolling. >> Babysitters. >> Right. >> Yeah. So, um I think that was about it. >> I mean >> And you only talked to them one time? >> Yes, ma'am. Uh there was uh >> Do you remember what they said? Uh white black male female? >> Uh male. Uh um I think they were our age now. >> I understand this is kind of I this is uh >> Uh I just think my >> Her her age, not ours. I'm the same age as you. So. >> It's okay. I forgive you. >> Even at this time, Joseph seems to have no memory of the incident, the investigation, or his football student Timothy at all. But, he gave a different response back when the crime took place and he was interviewed. Unfortunately for him, this is about to jog his memory in the worst way. If you've been enjoying the way these cases are broken down, consider subscribing. It helps more than you'd think. Quick pause to let you know about a new project I'm working on, a channel where I'm experimenting with a darker, more cinematic mini docs. Black Archive. It's a bit different, but I think you might like it. The link's in the description. Now, back to the case. >> What today is said that you'd be able to tell me if this sounds something similar to what you think you said to them? Okay. Um It says that you only met um the person that was that was uh deceased in this case one time. Um Her name is Leticia. Does that ring a bell? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um as far as ringing a bell, is that back to what you spoke to them about? >> Um yes, we we finally I I knew the person. Um I mean, I guess the way I don't know or whatever. I don't know about I mean, everything I probably did I don't know if anything happened. Then, after my interaction with her, did I see anything out of the ordinary and >> Do you know what they were talking about? Were they talking about it before you left? >> No, I guess I guess when I dropped the kids off or whatever. >> Okay. I was there. You didn't just meet Right, I'm sure you meet a lot of parents. So, uh and they said that you had taken Tim to football practice on September 1st. Was it earlier in the week or was it in the beginning of practice? >> Which would be with the mother kid. >> Okay. >> Monty. >> You had You had actually taken him home from practice that day cuz he needed a ride. Does that sound right? >> Yes, but we we couldn't get him >> And then all the time, right? Okay. And then on the 3rd, you picked up Tim and another kid from an apartment complex. Is that the one you're talking about? And taken him to football practice. Does that sound right? >> Yeah, I picked him up. >> Yeah, you picked him up there. It would have been Timmy and Monty. Monty and Del too. >> I might have. I don't for picking them up. >> Yeah. >> This is a very good pretense coming from Joseph. Although you don't expect your typical grandpa to remember a minute detail from decades ago. However, keeping in mind this man has assaulted and murdered his student's mother, that makes him a very unlikely grandpa or makes this very unlikely event to forget. >> You picked them up that day to go to football practice and then that day you also brought them back home. >> We We I might I'm not happy with me. We we we have his own life. I am not. I mean If if that's what it says, then >> I I just want to know if maybe that's something you maybe remember or whatever. Do you ever remember owning a yellow Celica? >> No, that's my wife's car. >> Oh, okay. Did you ever drive your wife's car? >> Oh, yeah. >> [laughter] >> I'm pretty particular about my car, so it just doesn't like, you know, my husband drives it sometimes. >> We got married in '80. >> Okay. >> And uh >> She had the car in Okay. And do you ever remember, you know, that does that maybe ring a bell about the time that >> Yeah, I picked him up. >> Yeah, you picked him up and then you dropped him off. You uh driving the 1977 yellow Toyota >> No, cuz most time I drive my truck. >> Okay. You still remember or you flat out do not say say that you didn't drive it or or perhaps you didn't pick him up. >> Uh No, we I don't remember that. >> Okay. Um if I show you a picture of Linda, would you be able to um recognize who that is? I don't have the glasses on or the lights are really dim in here, so >> This sure must be an internal moment for Joseph. Looking at his victim up close decades later. We would never know whether it is a trophy moment or a foreboding sense that something very bad is finally catching up to him. >> Look at this picture. And this would be 10 right here. I think they had really long hair. >> The little small one? >> Yes, sir. Yeah. Do you remember him? >> There was another one, Scotty Bell. >> Scotty Bell, is that the kid that was on the team? Okay. Was he friends with him? >> Yes. I mean, they were I wouldn't say they were. But wait, wait a minute. But I knew uh I knew Scotty. I can't say we were one or another. >> Okay. Does she still look familiar to you? I just thought a little bit longer hair there, but >> Uh yeah. And the only reason I say yes is because they were they were in the group. >> Black and white? Mhm. >> Mhm. When we got the kids up. And they would sometimes they conversations would be something like anything. Thank you. Something like that. >> Right. >> Okay. Yeah. We were inside and had to go out. >> Did you ever go into any of their apartments to drop the kids off? Okay. So, they would just be in the parking lot to meet you? >> They'd be in the parking lot. Yeah. Right there where they would be standing at their at the apartments. We'd pick them up. We'd go down and pick them up and drop them off. Yeah. And there was a lot of them. We got to pick them up and drop them off there. >> Got the seat up about as far as I can get it. >> Things are in fact going even faster than Joseph realizes. He is wrong to think that there is a way out or only he has been guarding some secrets. Officers have already acquired trash bags from his house. And fortunately for them, it contains colostomy bags that he's been using since 2013. It gives them enough DNA to run tests. Another thing that is to be noticed is that inside Linda, intact sperm was found in 1981, which was preserved right away. Now, on my Patreon, watch the interrogation of a father accused of killing his baby. The detective snaps and starts hitting him on camera. See the full video at patreon.com/strangerstoriesplus. >> Actually, come closer to the bathroom for you. All right, you can have a seat there. They're grabbing you some Powerade or Gatorade, whichever one. I'm not sure. I'll go grab something. We'll be right back. You all right? That chair does lean back a little bit, though. If it's too bad, we can get you another one. >> No, we're fine. >> It is to be kept in mind that rights have already been read to Joseph during his way to the interrogation room. He just took a urine break because of his health conditions, and now is the time to face some demons he has been running from for decades. >> So, let's go kind of give you the opportunity to be able to kind of not be so embarrassed by getting right in the back of the the sheriff's patrol car, and so here we are. >> Okay. >> So, do you remember the other day that we came out there and we spoke to you, right? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. And I know you were having a little bit of issues, maybe, you know, remembering cuz it's 1981. But, whenever I kind of read you what you what the detective said that you said to them, you said, "That was the truth." Is that right? >> If If that's what I said then, I mean Yes. >> Okay. And you had said, I think he asked you I asked you, "Have you ever been in Linda's apartment?" >> No. >> And you said, "100% no." Quickly, just like you said then. >> Yes. >> Right? I I want to give you the opportunity to be able to give us the whole truth, okay? Cuz we know that that's not the truth. So, that's the reason why we want to give you this opportunity for you to fill in all the blanks that we have. >> Okay. >> But, we know that that is not the truth. You have been inside of her apartment. >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. Still no, absolutely not. >> Cuz when when I picked the boys up we we we stayed in the vehicle. >> Mhm. >> And I don't recall uh going to in or out of her house period. >> Okay. Were you and Linda was that the only time you ever saw her was the one time? >> Yes ma'am. >> Okay. There was not any time that you had a conversation with her outside of the car? >> Just if she come and ask how her son how he was doing and basically that was that was about it. I I answered you know what she said and and what she had asked and basically that was about it. >> Well basically >> getting out of I don't recall getting out of the the truck then. Um there was people there. I do I if it is when you drop them off to the there was people there. Just socialize with them. >> Did you ever get out and socialize with them? >> I don't recall. I mean I don't I don't remember ever going in the apartment. >> Well we have evidence that you went into the apartment. So you may not remember it's not going to be good enough for us today. >> Okay. >> Okay. So I want you to think, okay? And let's come out with the truth because the truth will always be the best for you to be able to make sure that you tell for us for the judge for anybody, okay? You need to make sure that you tell the truth. >> What do you know about fingerprints? You know that everybody's fingerprints are unique, you know that, right? >> Yes sir. >> You were arrested in I believe '84 by the Lakewood Police [clears throat] Department for grand theft and they took your fingerprints. We matched your fingerprints to the fingerprints in her home. So, we know you were in the house. And we know how you got in there. So, there's no other possible explanation as how your fingerprints got in her house. Unless you were in there. >> Right now, we're just looking at the crumbs on the counter. Joseph has no idea there's a whole factory behind the wall. Detectives are about to reveal a secret that they've been guarding. >> I have to believe it. >> Well, fingerprints are unique to you. So, it's not like we got them confused with somebody else. Your fingerprints were taken by the police department in '84 and compared to the fingerprints that we found there at the scene, inside her apartment, okay? They're unique to you. So, it's not what we say, it's what the evidence is saying, okay? So, explain to me how your fingerprints got inside of her apartment. >> I don't know. I don't I do I do not recall being in her apartment. >> Do you recall having sex with her? >> No, ma'am. >> Do you know how DNA works? >> No, ma'am. >> I mean, it's specific to you. Your DNA is specific to you. >> It's a little bit stronger than fingerprint evidence. DNA is pretty close to the alien to one. Which, of course, is more than how many people are in the world. We it it's not by happenstance that we ended up on your door on the 4th. We've been working on this for many, many years. We got some breaks and I don't know what you know about the new modern technology. Do you know about Do you know how anything about the Golden State Killer, how they got him? >> No, sir. >> By DNA. >> By DNA. They didn't have his DNA on file, and that's why this has been unsolved for so many years. But what they do now is they take the DNA from the crime scene, they check it, cross-check it amongst the um open files that you can search, and they build a family tree, and that's what we did and the DNA that was in her comes back to Joseph James. And we confirmed it by pulling your trash and getting your tape from your colostomy bag, and it was a 100% match. So, we we we know what's going on. It's just up to you. Do you want to tell us the whole story, or do you want to continue down this road I don't know nothing, I never been in her house? We got fingerprints at the point of entry. We got fingerprints in the house. We got your DNA in her vagina. So, the ball's in your court. >> We don't think you're a bad person. >> Obviously, you haven't gotten in trouble since '84. That's a pretty clean record. You obviously something went south that particular night, and we would like to know what what happened. It's been 38 years, and I'm sure you go to bed every night thinking about this. I have no doubt in my mind. I >> [clears throat] >> And if you're sitting there and you think that we're lying to you, we can show you the paperwork that we're not bullshitting you, that we're giving you 100% what we have, sir. >> I I never said that we're >> Well, I know that. I just I just Some people think we play these tricks. Her and I don't go roll like that. We have the paperwork right here where we can more than happy to let you look at it if you want. >> If you say you got that, then there there is nothing else for me to say because I I do not remember. >> Were you on drugs back then? >> No, sir. >> Were you a heavy drinker back then? >> Uh yes, sir. >> Did you drink at football practice? >> No. >> [clears throat] >> What shift did you work at the public warehouse? >> Uh I believe we went in at 4:30, 5:00. >> In the morning? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Could you have been drinking before you went on your shift? >> Possible. Cuz it's I Yeah. >> All right. Like I said, we don't think you're a bad person, okay? We think that something went wrong in there, and that's what we need you to answer for us. How did it get to the back this bad of a situation, okay? We've already established you've been you were in there, okay? >> 100% without a doubt. >> Okay. This matches you. Your fingerprints matches you. The DNA matches you. You just need to fill in the blanks. And and I think that getting it off your chest will help you in so many ways, you know, whether it's with your health, with this your being able to go to heaven with a clean conscience, okay? I'm sure you want that. I want I'm sure you want your family to know that you went to heaven and you were able to get into heaven with a clean conscience because you got all this off of your chest. >> Joseph doesn't seem to be buying heaven. Probably even he knows it's long closed. But at least the shock of it all has started to wear off, and he's going to talk. >> Because like you said, you BS'ing. I know I know you're not BS'ing me. >> I guess that we have the files right here where we'll be more than willing to show them to you, so you know we're not BS'ing you. If you want them, just say so and we'll show them to you. >> Her address was right there. >> I do not recall having a relationship with with with her. >> Did she ever flirt with you? >> [clears throat] >> Joe, we we have your fingerprints going through the window entering her bedroom. They're on the inside where you grab a hold and you step through the window. That's where your fingerprints are, some of them. There's others there, but the main ones shows that you grabbed it around the window frame and went through the window and entered her bedroom. Do you not remember that? Crawl through the lady's bedroom in the middle of the night? >> I think you remember it. And you just don't want to say it. We're not going to think anything different of you. Okay? >> I don't I don't >> We're not bullshitting you, okay? I can see in your eyes that there's stuff that you want to be able to tell us. Okay? But you have to be able to trust us to tell us that, so we want you to be able to feel comfortable to do that. >> We [snorts] haven't mistreated you. We've been respectful to you the whole time and nothing of that's going to change. We just believe that this family needs closure. You need closure. Obviously, your health is not doing that great. >> No, sir. >> So, you know, time's not a real friend, and just and tell us what happened so we have the full picture of what happened and you can face the Lord. We've all made mistakes in our life. Obviously, this is a big one. >> You can overcome this. Okay, yeah, it's not the end of the road. You need to be able to tell the truth to set yourself free and be able to overcome this. Like I said, we know that you think about this when you close your eyes at night, okay? Maybe throughout the day you probably don't, you keep yourself busy, but I guarantee every time that you get diagnosed with some kind of sickness, you think about this, okay? Maybe that's the reason why I'm having all these health issues because I'm keeping this inside. >> Joseph's silence is almost as damning as a full confession. He isn't fighting the timeline, nor is he protesting allegations that would make an innocent man lose his mind with panic. Recognizing this vulnerability, the detective is going to produce a horrifying photograph that might finally break him. What hands up, there's a full collection of true crime-inspired merch available now at strangerlabel.com. You'll find premium t-shirts, hoodies, hats, beanies, and more. Each piece designed with bold detail and a dark investigative edge. Head over to strangerlabel.com and check out the full lineup. Now, let's get back to the case. >> Tell me what happened. Those kids right there deserve that. Tell me what happened. Those boys had to grow up without a mom. So, I know you know what the right thing is to do. >> Was it liquor, beer? >> Both. >> Both together? >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. What do you think your condition was the night of this? Do you remember? >> I'd say it wasn't very good. >> So, obviously the alcohol had you do something that you normally wouldn't do. >> No, sir. >> So, walk us down that road. Let us know how that process was. Was it normal for you to drink before you went into work? >> No, sir. >> What made that night special? >> Or not what made you have to drink that night was Did you have a fight with your wife at the time or >> No, sir. That's me and I was like me and Carol. >> His wife, Carol, right name? >> Um We had a good relationship from me and my son. He was one and the guys There were some guys I got together with. And um the talking that was done that afternoon I guess this one thing led up to another. >> What what guys are we talking about? >> Fellow um workmates. >> People that you work with knew her? >> No. No, no, no. >> But you guys were just shooting the breeze just like guys do. Fellow employees. And I guess drinking. >> Yes, sir. >> And then how did you end up going through her window? >> This is a classic psychological pivot. Because now is the time to face his sinister secret. Joseph uses alcohol as a scapegoat for his actions. The detective recognizes this desperate coping mechanism right away. He feeds into his delusion to make him feel secure. Joe falls into the trap and immediately switches to his next target, the victim herself. >> Is that an invitation? >> So, when she was talking, there was an invitation? >> Yeah. >> What she say to you? >> Just More like more of a like having a good time. >> She was down for a good time? Is that what she said? >> Not in not in them words, but I mean the actions but I guess young and dumb and alcohol. >> Right. So, how did you get to the point to go through the window? >> That's that's >> Did she tell you to go through the window or did she tell you to come to the front door or what how did that transpire? >> I walked up there and and there was like other words going in. >> Do you remember what time that was? >> I don't know. >> Was it before your shift, I guess, at public? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, you're not You think that you went through the front door, is that what you're saying? >> No. >> So, through the window. >> So, she was in her bedroom when you approached the window, and she told you to come in? >> Yes. >> Okay. Then, what happened? How did it go south so quick? >> So, I don't I don't There There is I don't >> All right, let's back up a little bit. Where did the sex take place? >> I In the bedroom. >> Okay, but I mean, was it Did you hold her on top of you, or did you lay her on the bed, or whatever? >> On the bed. >> Did you remove her clothing, or how did all that work? >> Sorry, Officer. I don't remember. That's >> Hours into the interview, investigators are met with a bizarre story that can only be described as a half-baked confession from a man who, even after 38 years, still cannot come up with a less infuriating explanation. He insists that she invited him to her home, and not in some vague or understated way. According to him, she explicitly invited him over, and even told him exactly where her bedroom was. How would he know the exact location of her room? And most importantly, what led to the horrific scene that her 12-year-old child witnessed is a memory that has haunted them ever since, as they continue to wait for justice to this day. As the interview continues, investigators become increasingly aggressive. >> That's what I'm saying. I don't remember things escalating that far. >> Yeah, but you said you don't think things escalated that far and that you left her unconscious, either. She wasn't moving when you left. Do you think she was sleeping? >> No. >> With a [clears throat] wire hanger around her neck? So, you knew she was unconscious? >> Passed out. >> Passed out unconscious is the same thing. >> But obviously, she's pulling on her neck, so that could tell anybody with any common sense that the thing's too tight. So, and that would of course happen before she passed out and you said she passed out and you left. So, you had to see her pulling on her neck. We need We need to know what happened, Joe, the truth, not the partial truth, not I don't [clears throat] know. I don't remember. So, what happened? We need you to tell us what happened, man. The truth, exact truth, how this thing went down, what happened to cause you to kill her. You purposely killed her. We all know We're all sitting here, we know that. >> Cuz you've lived your life for 38 years, going on about your business, raising your kids, and these boys have not had their mother. What if your wife was in a situa- If you were in the same situation and your wife was killed and your kids didn't have their parent? How would that make you feel? >> [snorts] >> I think you're smart to know what you're feeding us is horse [ __ ] And you're giving us little bit little bits of things, but you're not telling us what happened. Something caused you to snap to do that right there. And that's not no playing no sexual games or any of that cuz you could If it was a choking thing you could easily done that with your hand not a wire. >> And she was bleeding with that around her neck. So, you saw this. >> Mhm. >> And you did not know that she was dead. And you left her there. And you went about your business for 38 years. And you kept the secret even through your son swearing it. And you have decided to never tell anybody of authority about what happened. >> What happened Joe to cause you to kill her? Just tell us that. What went so bad that you decided to kill her? >> I did not know that I did. >> Look at that hanger. Does that look like a game to you? >> If she wanted to be tied up there's nobody in their right mind that would use a wire hanger. They use the stocking, they use the scarf. A wire hanger? That was not her idea. Tell us how it got that far. And tell us the truth. >> That right there Joe is anger. That's not kinky sex. That is anger. Something happened that caused this whole situation to go south and for you to consciously kill her. >> [snorts] >> And you can sit here and blow smoke up our butt and tell us no it was just a game and all that but you know better, we know better. And anybody that listens to this will know better. And that's no in the history of sex I I never known anybody to have kinky sex with a hanger twisted around their neck. >> I probably either one of us have ever seen using a wire hanger. Why would you do something that you couldn't get free of? That's not the whole point of kinky sex. This was not kinky sex. This was anger. >> She would be turning red and possibly blue to the face. And trust me, there's been plenty of cases where people have accidentally choked themselves with kinky sex, but I guarantee you you won't find another one where they're having it with a coat hanger. >> So, did you get the coat hanger out of your closet? >> No, man. She had the hanger. >> And you're telling me that she was just waiting there lying on the bed with a hanger on the back of her neck knowing the time that you were going to be there to be able to have you sneak in the window and have kinky sex with her. >> No matter how strange or implausible his story sounds, James either stays silent or adds yet another piece that doesn't fit the puzzle. >> Think about it, Joe. This is going to be for a jury. Do you think a jury's going to believe all that [ __ ] you told us? >> Sir, I I'm this I'm telling you this she wasn't like this when I left. This hanger of mine that all these scars and this right here That's a tough sell. What happened that caused you to snap like that? That's anger. Something happened where she ticked you off. What was that? Let me ask you this. You said earlier that you you came >> [clears throat] >> grew up in a strict home and didn't do nothing start dating till you were 17, I think you said. Did this have anything to do with your upbringing? You pissed off at your mom, took it out on her? >> [clears throat] >> Me and my mom had excellent relationship. >> Okay. I asked that question cuz there are extremes like that where that does happen. But something pissed you off, Joe. It's very obvious that something pissed you off. >> Cuz my dad was violent with my mother. >> The detective is right. No jury is going to buy this story. Joseph Mills was sentenced on February 9th, 2022. A Polk County judge sentenced him to life in prison without the possibility of parole after he pleaded guilty to charges of first-degree murder, cruel battery, and burglary to avoid the death penalty. Thank you for watching. If you like this type of content and want to support the channel, there's a Patreon link in the description below. You'll be able to watch videos with zero ads and some that are too controversial for YouTube and you'll be supporting the channel at the same time. 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