this woman accused of murdering her own sister because that woman had a and her long-distance boyfriend had been flirting apparently 21-year-old foda marzan is accused of stabbing her 20-year-old sister three to four times Deputy say marzan recently found out that her sister would flirt with the boyfriend while playing video games so she bought a set of knives two weeks ago with plans to kill her sister marzan is now in jail with no bond this video contains the inter ation of a woman who killed her sister for flirting with her boyfriend fatia marzon met Joseph farmer online and as their friendship grew marzon believed he was the man she would marry the couple carried on a long-distance relationship for 5 years and marzon soon focused solely on doing whatever she could to speed up the process so they could get married she got a job and let her social life fall to the side any interests she once had such as G were given up as well things were going smoothly until maron's younger sister Samia entered the picture the two women shared a bedroom in their parents' home and marzon quickly noticed that samama and farmer were getting too friendly in their online messages she spoke about her feelings to her boyfriend and sister but it was largely ignored when marzon believed she had lost farmer to her sister she decided that Not only was life not worth living but that she didn't want the couple to be together she ordered a pair of daggers online and then waited for a time when she knew her family would be asleep she stabbed Samia through the heart multiple times but was caught by another sister before she could take her own life so uh you called 911 earlier in reference to your sister um and I spoke to where's her name uh Miriam MH okay um and she kind of explained kind of what's going on so I guess I just want to understand like from your point of view um what happened um [Music] um she was like intentionally trying to scale my fiance that I have talked to daily for 5 years although the couple had been in a long-distance relationship for 5 years there was no formal engagement okay be talking about Joseph yep yeah okay she had it were just getting worse she didn't care about how it made me feel and she had broken up with her ex when this started and the first thing she came to was the most convenient person and I told her and we talked about it multiple times and I told her to find someone else cuz this one is already taken and she kept pressing and things were just getting worse and I could see that there's still she still had no intention of stopping and everything was just ruined and she doesn't care and I just couldn't stand see them together I didn't want to well I'm sorry that you felt that way well made me really angry and I tried for over almost a year now to just try to have it be normal or stay strong about it but she just wouldn't she wouldn't stop and what was what was she doing exactly with Joseph that made you feel like she was trying to take him from you basically like trying to be in a relationship practically already in did did Joseph feel that way like or was he just being nice and talking to him cuz that's how it started she was he was trying to help her through it but then she was just like I don't know she just flirts with everyone okay and Joseph what's Joseph's last name fer farmer okay do you know his birthday mhm August 21st 202 August 21st 2 okay um Joseph does not live in Florida right now correct where does he live in North Carolina do you know like what city or Chapel chap okay um okay when you said five years when did you and Joseph meet [Music] 201 17 okay yeah do you remember what year or what month October October so it's basically 5 years now yep and um how'd you guys meet I'm in a group chat on Skype on a group chat on Skype okay um have you met him in person mhm okay how many times have you once we were going to move out together and then my sister knew how hard I was working to save up money I was working 68 plus hours a week and in the meantime she was just doing that behind my back where did uh that one time that you met Joseph where was that at um it was he was only here for a bit so he was at a hotel traveling to Miami cuz he was lived there most of his life but then on the way back he figured he could stop by sure okay um do you remember like when that was exactly it was [Music] 2019 wait I think it was 2019 July July okay yeah and you said that you were working like 60 plus hours is that in one week or like in a two week pay period one week in one week okay tell me about your job what do you do I caption calls for the heart of hearing caption calls for people that can't hear okay how does that work exactly I here I like listen in and I'm transcribing what the other person is saying to the person who can't hear so then I type it out or speak it mostly and then um they see the words on their screen so if they can't catch everything they can see what that an El okay so you caption calls for essentially for for for death right or yeah okay of them are allly but some of them not yeah okay and you said you've been doing that for 3 years mhm okay um and so you've been you've been working for the past 3 years to try to save up to um get a place with Joseph mhm okay and I've been I first started I paid off my car that was 16,000 and then when you first started working there yeah and then I my goal is to pay off my car so that I don't have to worry about that while paying rent then um yeah then the past year um I've mostly just been doing those extra hours for the past year mhm except the past what do you mean in the past few months what happened um that's when I started [Music] started I think there was like less extra hours of available marzon was actively building her life to be with her boyfriend something that her sister couldn't have failed to have missed there wasn't as much availability okay and I also had less motivation motivation okay you maybe felt like you were overworked or something else it was the J was getting complicated and with you and Joseph or okay I just I didn't know if you're talking about work or if you're talking about yeah okay so like things were kind of were you were hitting some speed bumps in your relationship yeah okay okay that's understandable I mean if you're with someone for 5 years I would assume there's you know there's always hard times but um you know you do your best to work through it and and get through it together which it sounds like you tried very hard to do so mhm um so um you had said that your sister over those last year has been making Advanced movements towards Joseph and flirting you said that she flirts with everyone um how exactly did they communicate that you know of just every like texting calling playing games together just doing anything Saia and farmer mostly communicated through the online game valerant marzon was able to see the screen because of the small size of the room she and 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calling him okay um how do you know certain times like um [Music] I mean I definitely understand like the gut feeling like just knowing that like something's not right like I feel like every female has it like when something's just not right or you feel like your man's doing something that like he shouldn't be doing like we all get these feelings and like we're most of the time we're not wrong um so I get that but I'm saying like did you see on her phone his name and then yes oh sometimes I come home and I see they're sleeping on call together I see or here cuz sometimes it's like she goes to sleep but he's playing and he does that with me usually but then sometimes I'll be at work so I come home late and she's already sleeping and then I see on her phone is his number do you know his number by heart no no I usually Skype call you Skype call okay um yeah how do you guys communicate normally is it you said Skype uh calling or texting okay and do you text like normal phone numbers or is it through some sort of app Discord Discord mhm right or Discord Discord okay yeah I just learned about it tonight so I'm still trying to understand it um do you also like game and play I used to a little more yeah but then I started working yeah you're busy so yeah okay so you call you message each other on Discord um and then you also Skype right you said Skype recently the thing we play most is run Tera it's a card game Run Tera run Tera okay you guys like that one mhm yeah cool um okay so your other sister uh I'm probably M Miriam Miriam is how I say but you can say miam Miriam okay okay uh she said that she also kind of like communicates with Joseph as well like through Discord and like so that's that's normal is that normal to you like they I can see their text cuz we're in a server together okay um and they they talk normally my other sister she respects that okay then she you know doesn't know so they're like friends and that's okay cuz I mean obviously she would have never known Joseph had it not been for you right your younger sister sister right for both sisters right so okay so I just wanted to understand um cuz it seems like Joseph kind of like is a gamer as well and like so um the fact that he's you know talking to both of your sisters I just didn't understand or I didn't know if there was like some sort of animosity with him talking to one versus the other or how you felt about it what's animosity um like uh like upset like or felt like um like kind of like did did did are both of your sisters feel like do you feel like both of your sister sisters are portraying portraying or betraying you I'm sorry betray my youngest uh the younger one youngest sister um she um it's like a kind of a past record thing of you know she's considerate towards me and the other one is past record of just not considering like my belongings or just my feelings at all it's like been since we were little like she just doesn't you guys are what a year like a year apart a year yeah if that um so you're close in age and you've always have you always shared a room for a long time there had been a history of sibling rivalry and the animosity had probably been building for years when a romantic relationship was at stake it was more than marzon could stand it kind of we switched rooms around CU a lot of siblings but a long time has St the same moment okay cuz I I don't think I have your oh uh her birthday is in March right so March of two so like a year and some time um but okay so you guys are pretty close like she's your closest sibling in age correct right okay um the youngest sister so she was like I can see that she's just you know being friendly she's not flirting with him but the other one is intentionally flirting with them is there any like things specific that you who like would consider her flirting so I can understand like an example [Music] like or like what you consider flirting to be when it comes to the two of them like what does she do I think sending text about like how like oh you're so handsome hard Emoji things like that okay also he's really honest still so he tells me the things to so he tells you what she says to him if I ask you oh okay okay um and so you had mentioned that you can see your younger sister's messages with him because you you share a server mhm but you can't see your we don't share any servers together s me sima sima yeah you can't see her um so you have to share in order to see each other's stuff like like multiple people in a place versus like just one onone so with him he just does one onone but it's not us three in any time together okay okay I'm just trying to understand Discord and like how it works and like if you can share something or not or if it's like a okay so it's more like a three-way like you have to include everyone and then everyone can see what's going on it's like a group chat a group chat but the differences the servers have has like more features like you can join a little voice call together oh nice okay all right cool yeah I've never heard of this so interested um okay so so your uh sister has been essentially trying to steal your boyfriend or your fiance I'm sorry um and um it's just kind of taken a toll on you it's just it's been a long time coming you've been working very hard um to become more independent with Joseph and to get your own place um and oh which she had knowledge of and she yeah and I mean that room's small so I'm sure there's you know whatever you do she knows and whatever she does you know um so it's just been a long time coming um and so so tell me what happened earlier this morning um I kind of decided that I would rather since I saw there was no end to it and then things had already like gotten past the point of me like that I was past the point that I was okay with um um to be honest I didn't want them together at all just the fact knowing that she knew everything and was doing it intentionally like if it was like some other situation some other way it folded out I probably could have taken it normally but this was just deliberate when it hurt too much and it just made me hate her and I figured that I don't have them together but also if I did anything he'd probably hate me anyway too so I was going just just to both of us but my young my youngest sister there was a gap in the time because I felt sick after doing it and I just needed a nap so I took a nap and then and I was already sh her like she was gone but then um I took a nap and then when I woke up I was trying to just sort things out before going but my youngest sister felt like something was going on that I was being weird so then she came to check up on me so I have a weak spot for her so I let her in the room and I told her everything but she talked to me out of it marzon felt hopeless and saw no way out of the situation and had planned not to survive so then I was like okay um I called my older sister and she told me I should call the ambulance so yeah my youngest sister didn't want me to do [Music] anything uh what weapon did you use I a dagger okay is it the one that was on the bed okay where did you get another one okay um on the desk um Amazon Amazon okay did you order it or did someone else you ordered it do you remember when like a week or some go maybe two weeks okay and what was your reasoning for ordering it what I felt I had to do what you felt you had to do so this is you've been thinking about this for a little bit I've had an Impulse that I've been trying to put away but it's just like I didn't see any more options I tried to be optimistic I tried to do every other way I tried waiting I tried talking about it and nothing was working me be talking about it talking about it with who about the Joseph and I talked to a few of my friends about it too but everyone just gives me this advice just we just leave him and like that's easy to say yeah when you say you talk to other um like friends was like phone calls or text messages or through the text messages um they're all on Snapchat actually they Snapchat messages okay so no like conversation like video or like voice or okay okay um and is the Amazon is that your account or is it a family account my account your account is it under your name like your full name okay have you always had an Amazon account okay for like a long time or yeah a couple years now a couple years Okay you Okay mhm okay can't up gotta um okay uh so I mean so you've been you know thinking about this for a little while now and you like you said you were you tried to not think about it and you tried to talk about it and you tried to um what else did you say that you were doing to try to you tried to talk people about it waiting like just trying to compartmentalize um to essentially like talk yourself out of it you know like to not do this okay waiting for things to change or you know if either of them are going to change anything okay it just got worse it got worse okay was Joseph like um like was he complimenting her back was he doing these things that she was doing MH okay but I feel like a lot of it comes from he wanted her not to be sad and she would request things for example like oh why don't you Maxa pictures with me you do that with her and um he kind of just wanted both of us to be happy and then I could see her cuz I know him I know how he acts because of what it's just the things you observe and I could see the difference or like the influence and like his mindset changing because he wants her to not be upset even after admitting that farmer was flirting as well she still places all of the blame on her sister this may stem from their already poor relationship and she's upset because of why because she wants him and he and he's with you okay and she wants it only them two not me and the picture right he's fine with both in the picture Okay so and I kind of was like to an extent but she was pushing it past the line like you were okay with them having like a friendship and like talking still and communicating but you didn't want her to disrespect the relationship you had with Joseph mhm PR okay I'm not trying to put it like any words in your mouth or anything I'm just trying to understand and make sure I understand what you're telling me MH she was just going all out okay and I told her not to do that and she said she wouldn't so she just always says things to make me stop talking feels like okay do you know if she has a what you know what kind of phone she has no no okay would you know if she had a password on her phone I think it's a Sam pH I think her passord is just her fingerprint okay you've never seen her put in like numbers or like draw like Samsungs I think you can draw I don't think um so but I see on there it says like touch ID okay yeah just I mean I'm I'm curious I want to I want to see like potential messages I want to see like you know what she's been doing um to make you feel this way um so I just didn't know with you guys the bed you know the room everything's so closed that you may have seen her um she locks the door a lot sometimes without you in it mhm like and then I can't come back in because she just wants to talk to [Music] him so you knew of their relationship and you told her basically like I want you to respect mhm my like uh romantic relationship with Joseph but you can still have a friendship with him mhm is that true yes okay um and so so that friendship for them consisted of like like they got past the point of a friendship in your eyes mhm because of what she wanted did you hear her saying what she wanted like what or this is just what you felt kind of told me like okay what like what did he tell you [Music] if you recall one example is he did admit that there was flirting and that he said that he admitting there was flirting yeah that they she says I love you she tells him that she L him M I think he started doing it too and when was this when did he tell you all this stuff well different things came at different times but it started October last year I asked a lot of questions when I found out and at that point it was already like things kind of starting before that was one they were [Music] friend okay mhm how long have they been how long have they cuz was on enough um because like there was a time [Music] when I don't know I just didn't want her talking to him because I know how she is so I told her to block him but then she on block to and they were still friends but then when I told her not to talk to him and she did stop talking to him but then she went back without asking me because of her breakup with her boyfriend when did she that's what I was going to when did she break up with her boyfriend think go was [Music] 2020 um maybe early 2020 I know when she started feeling she was the one who broke up with him that's also what bothers me she did it she spent months not looking back at him and then he wanted her the whole time only at the last second when he finally moved on she just felt like well you moved on but she was the one who broke up with him and then that happened then um maybe June May June like that okay 2020 okay with her sister continuing to ignore her request to leave farmer alone and farmer not cutting the contact himself marzon believed there was no way to salvage the relationship is after that was when you kind of tried talking to different people and eventually tried talking to her she did mhm but October of last year is when things like got worse like when she tried to take their friendship to another level even though you are with Joseph okay um okay and do you feel like Joseph like started to have feelings for her and that's why it's been difficult these these last yeah and that's what you've been trying to work through and and get on better terms with him for okay CU like us yeah that's difficult and then at some point I just felt it was like more her that was after I tried waiting for because I know she doesn't want me in the picture so I figured maybe she should just leave when she realizes that he's not going to just be with her again he felt [Music] guilty he felt guilty for doing that to me okay and then it like like leaving you or even before he left me that was the reason he kind of left me because he it was more comp complicated because he felt guilty so then he wasn't like he liked me but he just felt bad because he liked the both of you at the same time MH want toally both of us but she I don't know and this was like this year this year was like the complication or yeah complication but uh well this specifically about like leaving you and then not type deal like that stuff when was that that was a few months ago um so did you guys like have a little use a dream like did you have a little break break up or a little break yeah a little break where we were like okay just kind of like friend and he continued to talk to Simon mhm okay that's difficult um um and then I guess how how did you guys reconcile or like how did because you're telling me that he's your fiance so obviously you guys got back together do you remember like when or like how that came about my gosh [Music] you mean like when it came he was like um it didn't come back but he basically was for most of it okay but we were still going [Music] to like we weren't going to stop talking to each other okay but you technically weren't together okay was he with your sister like not yet or he was not was like wait like a break and then see what what it how it plays out okay so like a break from both of you mhm and then there was like potential of what she wanted okay and that's kind of when you couldn't talk yourself out of the things okay so in June this kind of happened like the complicated stuff and it's been going on ever since but he still talks to both of you in in like a just a friendly way or just like I mean it feels like it's feel like it's nicer to her me he was being nicer to her than you okay than me he feels guilty he feels guilty why cuz he's hurting you [Music] mhm or he feels guilty cuz he likes her or I'm sorry um kind of bold farmer was playing the sisters off of each other but marzon could not see that but yeah he feels B hurting me gu he should it's kind of not really nice but um okay I'm sorry I'm asking a lot of questions I'm just like super curious obviously and I I don't know you you know and I don't know Joseph and I just want to try to understand yeah I just want to try to understand the most I can I'm not you know um I'm not trying to you know Pride too too much but I'm just trying to make sure I make sense of it and that I understand because um it's important so um did you talk to Joseph uh at all today tonight yes um and how how did you do that called him called him okay and is that like through Skype or like his actual phone number actual phone number okay because he wasn't picking up Skype he wasn't picking up Skype okay when you when you talked to him was it like you have an iPhone right was it on FaceTime like could you see him or was it just a voice voice call okay and um that was before you had called for an ambulance right mhm okay um what exactly like what what was the extent of that conversation well I told them what I did okay he didn't understand he thought I could have done and cuz I felt like I didn't have much options but he he felt like I should have talked about it and there was options and I told him I tried talking about it I just didn't add the specific extent but I did do everything um tried talking about it multiple times told him how it made me feel and how I just wanted it like to be gone but he he can't really understand and he really displine it and no he's not going to talk to sorry which I kind of already planned for that he would feel but I didn't expect my sister to talk to you a little [Music] B so do you remember like what time this uh what time the incident took place like when I when I did it m 430 a.m. and why why does that time like why did I choose that time or how did you know it was that time I checked checked the phone you checked your phone okay and so you guys sleep in that bed together I'm assuming okay did you guys both like go to bed the night prior mhm at the same time or she sleeps earlier than me usually what time did she go to bed oh that night um last night last night mhm um maybe around 3: a.m. yeah okay so she went to bed around 3:00 mhm and you were still up mhm okay what time do you normally go to bed like 5 or 6 in the morning mhm okay [Music] um you went to bed I'm sorry this morning you you took a little you said you had napped you said five uh that time I napped at uh or you went to bed at 5:00 today or you went to bed at 600 sorry or um I think I I think last night I went to bed around 5 or maybe 5:30 so but you normally go between 5 and 6 you normally fall asleep and your sister normally falls asleep around 3 but last night she fell asleep around 3 right mhm and then you fell asleep normally she might fall asleep around two okay but last night she went to bed at 3: okay and then um you normally you go to bed or between 5: and 600 but last night you went to bed at what what time did you say probably 5 5 okay I don't remember exactly how long after but it wasn't too long after cuz I just felt conscious um so was your sister asleep marzon chose that time specifically because she knew her family would be finished with prayers and would have had enough time to fall asleep mhm okay she never woke up well she did okay when it was happening okay uh do you remember how many times um you used the knife do FL do you remember where on her body heart her heart okay I'm assuming that's where you wanted okay do you have any injuries you get hurt no and you said she had she she woke up okay did she say anything mhm what the [Music] [ __ ] and also help did you say anything to her I said stop cuz she was Ming too much okay um and you said that you've been like battling with this since you had ordered the knives that's how um so you kind of have have thought about this before and I mean you stopped her in her heart I feel like that that meant something to you right yeah um okay do you do you uh do you visit the doctors have you ever visited the doctors like just any like a pediatrician or um like a specialist or anything like that not really I used to go when I was little I think one of the last ones I went to was I was trying to see what I could do at the dentist okay and I went for my ey glasses okay you have a hard time seeing yeah I forgot to bring them oh gosh okay I'm look close to the paper yeah I gotcha okay so you have a hard time seeing and then you you felt like you had gone maybe like to a dentist to try to to look to look at your teeth yeah okay um and to my one of your sisters told me you graduated from Colonial High School uhh yeah okay did you did you like going to that school me okay um did you get good grades like were you a good student yeah I CU didn't have too many friends like the last 3 years um the 12th year my 12th grade I had du enrollment fulltime so I was just not really ever there I was on College um so you're smart you yeah they wanted me to go to college and like you want to do a do moment I was like man I'll think about it and then the next year I did it yeah um so you met friends like more through college or I actually we have my friends at College um I had a couple friends in my classes at high school nth grade I had was more real life involved but the last um years of college I was mostly just online friends okay okay so like your Snapchat friends you've met them like through they were Snapchat friends were mostly through um like a online virtual world game online gaming okay and another ones are on Playstation games okay and but you you've always like gamed like for like I guess before you were like serious about your job you would you liked video games and the gaming systems and stuff like that okay um okay and um like in in high school did you ever get in trouble for anything once because I tried going home early on my birthday cuz I wanted to go somewhere but um there there's like a little security lady on the golf cart she noticed it and then she's like hey you can't do that right yeah yeah those golf call people they get there they they get around quick on those things MH um okay so like you tried to play hookie on your birthday the detective has taken a gentle friendly approach and it is working marzon has remained relaxed and open readily answering every question without shutting down you know but you got caught so you didn't really play hookie but okay so but did you have to like do um no she just was like go back to class don't do it again okay um but like you've never been like been in trouble like for fighting or any of that stuff like it was the quiet kid quiet yeah but then no one has any reason to dislike me because I'm just nice yeah is that yeah that's how um um your sister described you she described you as as nice so um so okay um you know I guess like how do you feel right now it's kind of sad that well I didn't plan on being here for the aftermath but then I knew what it would be that he wouldn't want to talk to me so I'm kind of sad like this sees me the way he does now the dress is easy the way he does yeah I I keep wondering if maybe it was a bad choice but I thought about it and I just I don't know did it because of reasons right yeah reasons that we've talked about and then those hard those reasons are like harder to see now that it's over it just because there's like a sense of getting it over it right okay that makes so then it makes me one day it was um after right and you're saying that um your sister had had caught you you well first you said you took a nap right and then when did you leave around what time did you leave your room oh I didn't leave my room um she wanted in she wanted in I had been texting her okay she notic like the past couple of days I was weird and then um I was texing her like I said she was the best and she was like oh that seems weird why would you say that okay just telling her okay did did she know what you were going to do she kind of got a hint just [Music] from I did accidentally mess up because I sent a message and she got a preview of it but I didn't mean to send it I meant to edit another message so it wouldn't give a notification but basically she kind of saw part of it um when it came up and then she was kind of suspicious what are the message that she made so no I was telling her that what I did oh you told her what you had already done oh okay I'm talking about before before you before what happened at 4:30 at 4:30 oh my other just yeah did she know that you were going to do what you did to your she didn't know until I was going to do until it already happened yeah and then you were contemplating trying to potentially kill yourself right um and I guess what was your reasoning for wanting to kill yourself that it felt like everything was already ruined and that it was only going that wors things with you and Joseph were already ruined okay okay yeah and then there's just everyone would see me like a certain way because they don't understand the situation right okay um have you ever turned to Har yourself uh-uh I I didn't expect I didn't um ever imagine doing anything like that to me or some sure but I don't know the I don't really have much passion for anything but he was one of the only things I did have passion for so my feelings about everything were just I and P marzon had made farmer the entire focus of her life even neglecting friendships in favor of working harder to make living with him possible farmer never made any similar effort which should have told marzon that this relationship wasn't worth pursuing yeah it seems like you were Head Over Heels you heard that thing before um okay is there anything else um about like the complicated situation that you feel like I don't have a good understanding on or anything that you think is important that I know does Joseph live by himself does he live with his parents he has roomat well his parents got divorced but now he has his mom and a little brother okay but he's usually okay do you know his mom's [Music] name Kyle Kyle k a y o k a y o that's his mother's name mhm is her last name farmer no Shakari oh BL you know how to spell that mhm s a k u r a g i that's it okay um and what's his brother's name Will is it William by any chance or do you think it's just will me or not sure not sure okay and do you know how old he is Will approximately approximately m say maybe 13 or 14 okay um your Amazon account is there a password for it mhm what's the [Music] password I just want to see that purchase okay I think that's S capital and p o o c a h exclamation point uh one I'm sorry what exclamation point one one mhm anything else it should be that on the username you need uh yeah just in case it's not there um it's normally like an email if I'm not mistaken I have two emails I'm not sure want you you give me both um one of them is s a m y a m a r v e a [Music] n at gmail.com and the other one is that that your sister's name to some right your no my one is m y and then her one is ym okay so s a m y a m a it's not my Lego name but it's the name everyone calls okay m a r ZN gmail.com that could be one and then what's the other m e e t m e o w m e o w o w n y a 10@gmail.com a long one okay m m e e p m e o w NY gmail.com okay and then do you know your username uh for Discord blond P sorry b l o n d e actually wait no you have to put in the email it's the second email the Meep is it required to look do my um no no um I'm just asking what your username is for the scored um I mean I'll be real honest though I'm probably going to look through them um it just depends on how I do so whether it's through a search warrant or not which I would probably do a search warrant anyways but it's just easier to find um your information this way so just part of the investigation because the talk was overall would Joseph today or what that time and like the breakup thingy that was both overcome most of the important stuff is overcome gotta did you send like pictures of yourself or something that you like what's your hesitation why you don't want me to see the messages cuz I mean I'll be real honest you've been pretty straight up about everything so I'm I'm curious why you feel like hesitating or not wanting me to see it one I'm not sure if there pictures okay but two um just it's embarrassing okay well I'm not here to judge you okay um I'm here to just kind of understand um okay so do you want to give me the information or or no uh is it fine of no it's totally up to you no when asked for her user information marzon suddenly becomes hesitant it is hard to imagine why since she has already confessed to the murder and that she had planned it out all in advance okay um and and the dagger that's on the bed it's the all black one right and then you said it's also on the um the desk okay and it came like in a two pack I got two you purchased two okay what was the reasoning behind purchasing two I just didn't feel comfortable using the used one oh okay so you thought to get B okay this whole time or the when I made my mind up okay he but your sister you said was was messaging you was she messaging you on like just regular text messages or yes okay and that's another reason so I obviously have to see like that conversation and and what all took place um like that she didn't know about it right yeah yeah she I didn't talk to anyone about it because I knew they would try to stop me and I knew that like I knew her especially that it would I would just I felt really bad because she likes me the most out of her siblings and we hang out a lot and um yeah I just wanted to give her like a like a note but and I told her to look at it later um but that's I was going to like put it somewhere where it's not like in front of everything and then tell her to scroll up and look at it but it like I said I accidentally sent it as a message so it came up as a notification and like the beginning of it um yeah kind of gave it away what it was but that plus the fact that she kind of just thought I was being different um she didn't didn't say that she was kind of assumed like that I was acting a little long okay but then that last thing gave it away but I wouldn't I didn't tell her directly I just told her when she wanted to come in the room because I'm just thinking like she's already here telling me she wants to come and already suspecting then if I turned her away now I she probably would have just felt like was too late or something and I would have felt worse than her have just being in another room and looking at it later but I wanted to at least tell her in some way just not at a time where she could try to convince me otherwise but she was able to okay so I just want to make sure I understand that correctly so basically you you wanted to essentially give her like a goodbye letter and you didn't mean to send it but part of it got sent and she kind of like picked up on what was happening so then she was like persisting to get in and see you and talk to you and okay okay you been know thinking about it before but she didn't yeah but she didn't know like your plan or what you were going to do prior okay so that's why you know like I need to see those messages I need to confirm that um so that that that's just part of the investigation so um so yeah okay do you know you're um so I I'm I don't know Discord but is it like there's a username is it username password username password okay it's actually my one also has a two Factor authentication and you need a separate app you have to plug into and then you put in a code and it's complicated so that they can't get hacked I see okay all right um okay understandable um do you know your your sister's user or your sister's like name what is that Mari with two question marks Mari m a r i m okay and then your username starts it's blonde something yeah blonde with the e at the end and then p i r e p i r e okay okay if you want you could ask for her to show you yeah yeah yeah if I can't figure it out okay um um do you have any pictures of Joseph on your phone like of him not many but yeah okay I'm just curious as to what this person looks like okay he's half asian half white okay well Japanese to be specific so Japanese and white and farmer will have to be questioned although he had no idea marzon would have done such a thing to her sister black hair pale skin um I think his hair is he hasn't sent any pictures in the half in the last like year he was going to then every time he's never been big on sending pictures he just doesn't like the way he looks okay and it's but you met him but I met him okay and so you know just long black hair usually it's long black hair mhm because he doesn't um get a chance often to cut it since he's just you know in his your mov okay and he has to go to his aunt's house to get it cut gotcha does Joseph have a job no he was going to get one when he came here because it'd be simpler to you know instead of getting one and then car to get a new job any M gotcha okay does um Joseph's phone number does it start um do you know like the area code it starts with the first couple numbers or what do you have in labeled as your in your phone bubby bubby be you BB y b u b b y m okay is there a way to like track the phone call is that way uh yeah I mean I I would look in your phone and see like the last couple people you called and so some like I mean I would think you would label him babe or Joseph farmer and is it he's Bubby so that would throw me for a loop so that's why I asked like what he's labeled as in your phone cuz everyone has nicknames so um so yeah so it's just more of a curiosity so I can go and see this phone call that you talked about um that you placed um and then you also called your older sister right um what is she labeled in your phone uh I think it's Apple Apu Apu what does that mean older sister okay like of course you work in our in bang really okay sure okay um so bbby and upu will be in there yes okay did you call anyone else no um okay something all right um Co yes um my name is Carlos okay um I was following everything uh that you were saying I was just kind send in the background kind of a little more information stuff like that okay um you mentioned fian were you guys engaged yes okay when was your when is your engagement 29 maybe 28 18 July July what day what number um oh you don't know your oh you he doesn't know either it was actually know it was a it was June listening to Marson Giggle and joke with the detectives one would never know that she had just stabbed her sister to death hours before she isn't troubled by the loss and she may feel no remorse what number it would they 28 oh the 28 you 28 okay and 2018 just Su right I'm pretty sure yeah so that will make you four years engaged yeah okay and um obviously like she told you you know we're not here to judge or anything like that we're here to understand what happened okay and and and obviously you taking the time to explain it to us um to us it makes a lot more sense okay so that's why it was important I noticed certain things that you said that you um I picked up on um you mentioned 4:30 you picked that time why 4:30 what that me the quietest time cuz my family stays up late too okay but that time was when everyone was asleep but also yeah because they would wake up around 6 for prior time so I figured my intention was 4 that my brother was in my room on the computer and did you did you like did you decide did you stay up late or did you put in alarm like how did you I just stayed up um I had woken up late um today already so it was just I would have stayed up you pretty much stayed up okay and then um you mentioned that you you were planning to do it at 4: um and you can mention that you had already made your mind when exactly did you make your mind up like you said I'm I'm going to go through with this when when did you told yourself we're going to do this I kept um even when I was thinking that I was like still maybe I shouldn't but when I thought that so essentially from two weeks ago you were kind of like trying to figure out like okay well I'm definitely good to do this I'm just trying to figure out how am I going to do this okay I just want to make sure I understood and then um are you a righty or you a lefty right you're a righty okay and then um you mentioned that um obviously she has like maybe like three or four injuries um on the heart um can you like can you just tell me like cuz obviously I just need to figure out like how those injuries are going to be showing like what's the knife like like this was it like this straight like this but maybe maybe some might be like slightly you know how to angle okay CU she knows okay maybe like this something okay like you were holding the knife like this okay I just want to make sure I got that right and then well like both hands actually oh both hands okay and you didn't cut yourself or anything like that okay like the handle was was long enough cuz you I mean you have small hands so maybe just that's make the SK one enough too and it has like the H the lines off the side that help okay I see I see and then um and then your have account it you mentioned that you're the only one that uses it right like nobody else has access to that or anything like that and then um it's just something that we need to ask uh obviously you plann this on your own like nobody helped you or anything like that um your parents had no knowledge about this or any other siblings or anything like that and you mentioned that you didn't want to tell anybody because you knew they were going to talk you out of it correct I TR to make sure I got that right and then and um why Bubby what what does Bubby mean um what's the story behind that it started like um I would say um like okay buddy but then one time I was like went a little dyslexic real Bubby but then um so then I would just use the word Bubby just cuz it sounded funny but then he would call me that back so then it just became I just just pretty much bu okay and then obviously when when you're when you were in the bed um where did you kep the knif before I um on the stand like the bed side where the TV is was like on a desk oh like on the desk and she didn't see it or anything like that well I put it after she was um it was just for convenience without being in the way for me to accident Ted or anything okay okay where where did you keep it safe prior to that in my backpack in your backpack okay what' your backpack look like pink my in the closet does it have any words on it or anything it's no it's just has a gold chain okay it's the only thing that's oh okay okay that's your color it's under the there's like a desk in there it's at the bottom of the floor um you mentioned that she woke up um was it like at the very first stab that she woke up okay so she wakes up she's like what the [ __ ] um and then you telling her to stop cuz she kept moving and at that point you just you to went deep into it I'm assuming um what happen as soon as you were done what what were you thinking that she probably W the whole house up [Music] butly Samuel woke during the attack but did not have time to fight back marzon was sure to strike her heart so the rest of her family wouldn't be woken by the noise i s nauseous is I paron he still didn't feel like it was right but like I was like okay got it go but also worried because I was going to do next and so I was just thinking like was a little too much um obviously it's it's it's one of those things it's you were hurt right I mean um I guess said nobody's here to Jud or anything like that it's one of those things that we do crazy things when you know we in love right it's even insane and up oh um I don't got anything else um I just wanted to know uh you said that you had woken up late on um so your bedtimes are or a lot later you know so I'm curious did you wake up yesterday like afternoon or it was about 5 p.m. okay so you woke up okay hold on the incident occurred about like almost 24 hours ago so it's like almost 2:30 now so on the 25th on Sunday you will go at 5:00 p.m. and then you stayed up until after the incident occurred on the which would be the 26th correct so it's like 11 hours later right okay I just want to make sure I got my dates right so at on 9:25 so on Sunday you woke up at 5:00 p.m. around you said today what today turn Tuesday it's it's now Tuesday yesterday was M right but the incident occurred at 4:30 yesterday so almost 24 hours ago so you would have obviously been awake so or you you hadn't gone to bed yet you know from 4:30 from Midnight to 4:30 um okay so so you woke up on Sunday um around 5:00 p.m. and then you didn't go to bed until after the incident okay um and you said you're normally right-handed but you use both of your hands the main one on there but left one on top for support okay so your right hand on and then the left on top of that for support kind of next to where I got like this okay okay um okay [Music] um just one quick I know that the you said the incident happened uh 4:30 in the morning um and my understanding is that your whole family was in the house right sleep sleeping um did anybody like went to knock on your door like did she I expected a knock but there was no knock okay you expected at some point somebody was going to knock okay is is it normal for them to not knock on your guys do like check on in and stuff like that something but if not there's no is that is that is that I'm sorry obviously there's different backgrounds and stuff like that is that is that a really just thing like they just don't barge into your to your bedroom or you tell about that that's King it's usually what locked it's usually locked okay um so that's why they just don't go in if it's open they don't knock they just kind of open it oh okay so you use the Virgin okay but like Mom and Dad they didn't bother to like go open or try right marzan and her sister were over the age of 20 so it is unlikely that their parents would have checked on them during the night and I S it just so happen today didn't want to do that and the only reason why you eventually did it was because you said your little sister was like wanting to go inside yeah and I have a we and you have a week for right because you know it was but mommy oh like you in the daytime mommy did come Mom multiple times she wanted me to eat and she wanted me to open my window cuz it was really hot in the house so she came to check up on me what do you remember what time was that uh like um noon and then like at 2 okay every couple hours so she could check and what happened the door was locked what would you say like IAT you say what I'm sorry later or later if she ask a question like can you now just go know did she ask for you for your sister at any point it was just like checking on the girls it was just kind of both but more she knew I was awake so she asked me oh okay probably just expected and is is your schedule like that because of of your work like you work overnight mhm oh okay I also just ha waking up in the morning oh we got that in common like I can go to sleep early and I'll still wake up red eyes if I wake up in the morning oh okay I see I see it's it's it's rough waking up Ear I'm struggling right now I used to be in a position where I used to work only nights and it was beautiful you know but waking up really just a little at least past 2 p.m. oh yeah I will go to bed like at 4: in the morning so all right so it's it's basically not abnormal for for you to be left alone in your room or to be in your room like no one's going to make sure they see you like physically see or your sister it's normal that if it's locked and you just tell them to go away they they go away okay um and were you able to like cuz I um I spoke with your dad a little bit and you guys pray often were you able are you allowed to pray in your room and that's okay or okay like they don't make you pray in a certain area in the house they prefer it like the living room has more area on it's not required or anything okay um okay so your sisters only came towards the end like when um shortly before you called 911 they came into the room mhm um okay my older sister wanted to see her so after I told her so then um so I let her Ino to okay and where did they like did they stand did they sit they still this it's a small room that kcks up most of it then is just standing they're is standing okay okay special question about the Snapchat thingy um the chats don't say on there okay so there's nothing there from the friends I talked to about it okay yeah just letting I appreciate it um okay [Music] I don't think I have anything else you think you're good okay you just raise your right hand for me do you promise and swear everything we've talked about has been true and accurate to the best of your knowledge okay all right can I get you any more water yeah okay is there any food I haven't e enough for a day I don't uh are you okay with snacks there's not like food here per se but I can get I probably get you a snack vending machine snack like a vending machine would would that be good yeah is there a preference like or are you allergic to anything yeah no um I kind of want something saory saory what does that mean is that like chocolate or something like salty salty okay um not sweet basically not sweet okay we can see if there's something available yeah the vending machine yeah I can check for you I know they have a lot of candy but I doubt you want candy but chips I think chips okay I I like most chips okay um also another thing that I forgot to ask before um so just part of any investigation there's obviously evidence that's going to be collected right and so what we have to do not we us but it gets sent off to a lab and the lab says yes this person's DNA is on it and this person's DNA is on it um so that's obviously going to happen in this case um but in order for that to happen um they request a sample of your DNA which means like a cotton swab in your mouth just to say like that the DNA that's on this is your DNA and that her DNA is her DNA does that make sense um are you okay with us collecting your DNA with a cotton swab that's okay okay it doesn't hurt anything like my finger prints or something we don't have um so no so DNA um there is DNA like technically and your you know the fingerprints like if I were to touch you my DNA would be on you but as far as being able to like definitively say it has to be like through like your saliva so that's why we put a cotton swab in your mouth that's why I was asking like if you needed more water or whatever but yeah so we don't drw blood or anything but that's you know to get someone's DNA it's normally through blood or saliva now that the interview is wrapped up maron's DNA will be taken even though it is mostly a formality at this point um match the DNA cuz they're just yeah def ly saying like instead of because obviously your DNA is not in any system you've you know never been in trouble before or anything like that so your DNA is not in any system so I would have to get um you know a judge to say hey I need her DNA or you can consent and give us your DNA now it's it's totally up to you um but yeah like that's the only way that we do it is by uh like your saliva cuz we are not doctors and we cannot draw people's Bloods uh so yeah it's up to you but it's just um it's just a step that we have to do um in the investigation is that okay mhm yeah okay all right um I'll get you more water and then we'll work on getting you some chips and then I'll come back with that stuff to do the C love for your mouth okay I'm curious about will you try reaching out to him um I I will actually yeah but not tonight but I will have to talk to him at some point mhm is there um since we're Bally going to talk is there anything you want me to tell him or do you want to like you want to write a a letter or something like whatever makes you feel more comfortable I feel like letters are like a little more personal but yeah um I think it's just wondering CU bother him or maybe he'll see I'm calling or something and be like I doesn't to me yeah but I mean we need to make contact with him and like I said if there's any anything you want me to relay to him you know I'll be more than happy to do that for you I think there's something you want to tell him marzon does not want to relay a message to farmer who has already made it clear that he does not want to be in contact with her after what she has [Music] done all right well think of something just let me know [Music] okay we're going to get that stuff for you get you some more water when will I get to use my phone again um I'm actually I have to take your phone um so uh it's part of the investigation I have to take your phone I'll be writing a search warrant uh for the judge so the judge will tell me like hey yes you have probable CA to go into her phone and then we're going to go into it and download it and um go from there but if you need like numbers or something from it we don't I can I can get you those numbers okay but will I get it back uh maybe one day when is well I don't know it just it just kind of depends on where the investigation goes and um and kind of what happens yeah so I mean yeah you [Music] might so you been to look through which things uh probably everything to be honest every form of communication just to see who you may have talked to I mean you've been pretty open with us but so this is kind of how this works so someone will tell you a story they'll tell you you know their side of the story and then there's another side of the story you know and then somewhere in the middle we normally find what we call you know the truth so I'm not saying that you lied but I can't take your word for it I have to back it up with evidence I have to corroborate it which means that I have to prove that what you're telling me what you sat here and told me is true and accurate and the way I do that is I go through people's phones and I prove like yes she made this phone call she called Bubby at this time she called Abu at this time she called 911 next you know and just kind of go through what you said um and then you know there's always people even though you told me everything um essentially um you know people will talk about it and they'll communicate and that communication that you have with your sister like I need to read about that I need to I need to see it um because I can take your word for all day long and I'm not saying you're a liar but I just have to corroborate it I I can't take your word for it even though I want to and I I believe you and I don't feel like you've lied to me but I can't just take people's word for it um in this line of work um I have to corroborate everything that is told to me if I can so if I can corroborate it I will if I can't then and it's just kind of your word I just feel like most of the information isn't on the text it's on the calls like could be the important stuff col out even between them too sure yeah know it's just part of the investigation um I honestly take everyone's phone um and then you know uh when it can be released it's it's released but I just I just don't have the answer um um because um you know I'm just I'm the lead investigator I'm not the state attorney or anything like that so at the end of the day the state attorney has the final say on what happens okay but I can get you numbers if you need anything from it um I just you can't have it right now okay any other questions before we get you some water and hopefully find you some chips um will you just ask him like his side of B Joseph yeah because I know he doesn't understand it the same way I did from the last call it was he wasn't agreeing that like he thinks I forgot some of the important calls when we talked about stuff but to me it's obvious that he forgets important talks he has a bad memory um but um so the things that I see as reoccurring to him it might seem like not there or like on we just didn't quite see to level the last call yeah you didn't like see eye to eye mhm I understand and I mean to be honest like a male's perspective on something versus a female is probably never going to be the same mhm that's just life especially when I feels like I can see the influence on him he can't see it because he's not being uned sure so things like that yeah okay all right we'll be right back okay mhm marzon is still upset that the detective will be going through her phone and doesn't seem to realize that she is unlikely to ever have access to it again Patia marzon was charged with the murder of her sister and is currently awaiting trial thanks again for watching don't forget to like the video and if you want to support the channel even more there's a patreon link in the description below stay safe and I'll see you in the next video