I can't let my constitutional rights be violated, so I am on the record. My status is a Moorish American national. I am not a black person. I am not a United States citizen, so that's [clears throat] why I claim my nationality as a Moorish Am >> You don't have to be a United States citizen to be charged with a crime in the United States. And if I were you, I wouldn't go around here in open court, live stream, declaring that I'm not a United States citizen facing criminal action with the current federal administration. That's That was not in your best interest. >> So you're saying I can't claim my national status as a right? >> Yeah, you I Okay, that's fine. But you're making a declaration that you're not a citizen. Uh and we have an administration that is making efforts to make sure people who are not citizens, who are facing criminal actions, are deported. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're going to give us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? >> Yes. >> Have a seat. Can you state your first and last name and spell it out? >> Uh Tyrese McClinton, T Y R I C E M C C L I N T O N. >> Can you spell the last name again, sir? Thank you. Counselor McKenney, uh we've already been given your name. Where do you work? >> City of Lansing. >> And doing what? >> Police officer. >> How long have you been a police >> 5 years. >> And how long have you been a police officer in Lansing? >> 5 years. >> Okay. Um in in your job as a Lansing police officer, have you had any specialized training? Was there any to become a police officer? >> Yes. >> Can you tell us more about that? >> Went to the police academy. >> Okay. >> Walk. 5 months. And then a year of on-the-job training. Field training. >> And what is on-the-job training like? >> Field training. Uh you work with a field training officer and if you can follow to do the job outside of the police academy. >> So what were your what are your duties as a police officer? >> Patrol division. >> Patrol division? Can you tell us more about that? >> Uh I respond to calls for service that are received from Also, enforce the traffic. >> And were you on duty on March 22nd, 2024? >> Yes. >> On that day, do you recall an incident occurring at or near West Edgewood Boulevard and South Washington Avenue? >> Yes. >> Are West Edgewood Boulevard and South Washington Avenue located in the city of Lansing? >> Yes. >> I have a question. You said March 22nd? >> May 22nd. >> Oh, okay. Thank you. >> You said March, though. So, you need to re-ask that question. You did say March, and he said, "Yes." >> Okay. Were you on duty on May 22nd, 2024? >> Yes. >> Okay. I apologize. Must have March on the brain. Um so, you were West Edgewood Boulevard and South Washington Avenue are located in the city of Lansing, correct? >> Correct. >> And that's in Ingham County, Michigan? >> Yes. >> Thank you. Is that area open to the general public? >> Yes. >> Can you tell me more about what happened that night? Tell the jury, please. >> Um while on routine routine uh police patrol, I observed a vehicle that was traveling westbound on Edgewood. Um it didn't have a Michigan driver's uh like a plate on the back of the car. Um so, I um So, it was traveling westbound, and then I seen me behind them, and then they made a U-turn, and started traveling eastbound and then they turned into um a parking lot that was there. Like here. Um I conducted a traffic stop because there was no proper plate on the car. >> [clears throat] >> And >> Uh when you were conducting that traffic stop, you who did you speak to? >> Both driver and front seat passenger. >> Um what did you ask them? >> Uh Typically on a traffic stop, we introduce ourselves and tell them the reason for the stop. Um I identified myself as an officer with the Lazy Police Department. At the time, I was in full police uniform. And I asked for driver's license, registration, and insurance. [snorts] >> Did you receive those things? >> Um some of those things. Um the driver presented me with a driver's license, um absent of the registration and insurance. >> And who you said you said they presented you with a driver's license and then what? >> Asked them about registration and insurance. >> Did you So, you spoke to both parties? >> Yes. >> When um when you're performing this traffic stop, uh you would ask You said you asked for the driver's license. You didn't ask for the other two items. Why is that? >> When I asked for the driver, it was a female driver, um I asked her for the requested documents that she was driving. Um and while doing so, the male passenger um intervened and started telling why she didn't need to provide those documents. >> And did Do Do the passenger present in the courtroom today? And can you describe what they're wearing >> Yes. or what they look like? >> A white shirt. >> A white shirt. >> And can you point to them, please? Your honor, would you make the record reflect that the witness has identified the defendant >> As who? >> As the passenger on the night of May 22nd, 2014. >> The passenger identified. That is Okay. >> Your honor, the city uh requests uh that to mark the people's exhibit 1A. >> And 1A, is that going to be a video? >> It will be video. >> Okay. >> You deposit, please? >> Yes, sir. >> Is this your body cam? >> That is my body cam. >> Thank you. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Officer, can I see your license, please? Pulled you over today cuz there's no registration on the vehicle. >> What? >> How you doing? >> Hi. >> Just the uh I just need your driver's license. >> Is it registered? >> Registration and insurance. >> I'm trying to tell you. >> Okay. >> Yeah, so this we're operating we're not for hire. We're just travelers. We're traveling. I have some documentation proving such right here. >> You're You're what? >> We're traveling. So, we're So, what it means is we're just traveling. We don't We're not using any driver's license at all. We're just traveling in our personal property. Um it's our it's our vehicle. It's our free boat. We have the title and we're going to pay the registration. We're going to operate and drive man, that's what I'm saying. >> I'm holding on. I can't hear you. >> Do you have a driver's license? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Can I have that? And then I'll need the registration and the insurance for the car. >> That That's the thing we don't That's That's what That's what I'm trying to tell you. We don't We're not operating. We don't have the insurance at all because we don't >> What do you mean you're not operating? >> So So >> Yeah. I don't need to see that. What do you mean by >> This will explain This will explain >> Okay. I don't care about none of that. You need a driver's license, a registration, and an insurance when driving, operating a motor vehicle. You're not operating. >> We're not operating, but we're traveling. >> Okay. Traveling or operating? >> Okay. >> Do you have the information that I requested? No, the the information I requested from you. Your driver's license the registration, and the proof of insurance. I don't care about that. I need your driver's license, registration Okay. That's fine. I need your driver's license, your registration, and the insurance. >> And here's my traveler's cuz I know you're going to ask for my identification, too, and that's That's what I'm trying to tell you guys. >> Okay. Okay. In the state In the state of Michigan, on the Michigan roadway, you have to have a legal a a valid driver's license, a registration, and proof of insurance, okay? >> This I'm trying to explain to him that right here is a Supreme Court and other court citations proving no license necessary for normal automobiles on the common ways, and that's pretty much what we're doing. We're just uh citizens traveling, and that's all we're doing, pretty much. >> Traveling, operating, it's the same thing. >> No, it's not cuz when you're driving >> Listen, I'm going to let you know right now. I've I've dealt with this so many times. >> Yeah, but >> Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to I'm going to set some expectations right now. >> Yeah. >> You're going to end up with handcuffs. This means absolutely nothing and you should have gotten your money back. This Probably you're talking about common law. Common law existed prior to statutory law. But statutory law Listen to me. Statutory law overrules >> We don't need handcuffs. >> Okay. >> We don't need handcuffs. I do have a warrant and I do have the money for it. >> Okay. >> I have the $500 for it. I'm just trying to turn it in. >> Okay. >> So that's the thing. It was It was from a It was from a fight and >> [laughter] >> an old relationship that I was in. >> Okay. >> So that's basically previously what it was. I've been talking to an attorney. >> Okay. >> But I am going to work. I work at Kroger. And I am taking care of that. So this I didn't know that this wasn't supposed to >> not a thing. People try to do that common law stuff all the time. It's not a thing. So that's why I'm going around it. If If If it were so, we are trained law enforcers. And if this was a thing, we would be trained in that area. >> Okay. >> Like you said, it's statutory law. We're no longer under common law. >> And I'm not And I'm not arguing. >> You're operating a motor vehicle. You're traveling, operating. It could be interchangeable. That word is interchangeable. Whether you're traveling or operating, you're operating a motor vehicle. That's what you're doing. So >> And I And I live right here in Edgewood. >> Okay. >> And I >> Where's your warrant out of? >> Um it's for um like an old domestic. >> Uh Where is it out of Lansing? >> Yeah, it's in Lansing. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. So >> But it's not it's not for like um probation or anything of that nature. They just want money. I've already talked to people >> Okay. Well, I'll I'll check on that and see what that is, okay? And then we'll go from there. Okay? >> But I'm not I'm not angry. >> No. I'm not I'm not saying to you that >> being in handcuffs and I can't just drive the car home if that's the case. I live literally right around the corner. >> Listen. >> I don't want the car to get towed or >> One thing at a time, okay? All right. All right. All right. One second, okay? One second. >> 32, we will take another look at 35, can I have you put first either Charlotte or Valor? >> I put it down in the red book and I I assure you like this is not >> Where did you get this information from? >> Well, well, I talked to the other officer >> Yeah. >> It's not >> Not that stuff that he has like a Michigan driver's license or name. He has that made one that he got from wherever. >> 36 and 30, I added vehicles as well and cops and pictures in the call. This is going to be the same subject earlier. >> [snorts] >> 37, 30. >> So, Officer Gentry, can you give us a quick summary of what we just seen? >> That was the initial traffic stop um and then my interaction with the driver >> And so when you were interacting with the passenger and driver, did you have backup at any point? And who was your backup? >> Uh Officer Marchbank. >> During a traffic stop, is it normal uh who normally does the majority of the talking? >> Typically the driver does. >> And um who was doing the majority of the talking during this traffic stop? Does that make your job easier? When you are in a shoot when you're doing a traffic stop, what are you investigating? >> What was I investigating? >> Yes. >> Well, during that time um see if there was a violation of a law. >> And this in this case, at first it was the What is it? >> Uh the registration. >> And so, while you're doing the investigation Okay. Uh What were you wearing during this traffic stop? >> My police uniform. >> Can you describe it for us? >> It's a bulletproof vest uh that's police um my name, badge here um and it has marking identifiable um pieces on it that says police officer. >> And what were you driving that evening? >> Police vehicle. >> And are there identifiable markings on it? >> Yes. >> What do they say? >> What do they say? >> Uh anything else on the vehicle? >> Isolating lights that were activated kind of with the traffic stop. >> So, as you're investigating this that night, was it harder to >> [snorts] >> investigate your traffic stop? >> Yes. >> Why? >> Well, I was speaking with the driver and the passenger kept on interfering and trying to provide additional information. Um which caused me not to be able to get the necessary people information that I needed. >> What are those pieces of information? >> The driver's license, registration, and insurance. >> Uh when you're going back to the vehicle at this point that we see you uh back with your computer, what are you doing? >> So, there um so, as I was just running the information in our database to just verify uh in our lean system we can verify uh to see if the person's um driver's license is active. It also tells us if a vehicle's registered, if it has insurance, um and if a person has [clears throat] um warrants or warrants. So, I was doing that during that. >> Uh whose names were you running? >> The driver and the passenger. >> What came back for the passenger? >> There was So, typically um and not all the time, but just based on my driving experience and the amount when whenever you have an encounter with an individual that's over the age of 18, typically they have Well, really 16, but we give 18 um unless they're about your adult and you have some sort of identification from the Secretary of State that states who you are cuz you have special business, doctor's appointments, driving. If you don't have to drive, you have some type of identification identify you as a person. That system, if you run a person that is over the age 18 or you're clearly over 18, um and >> if you if they give you a name and it says no record found, it's usually indicator that from a police standpoint, most individuals have you know, have had an ID issued to them. So, when it says one no record found, one, they could not have had an ID or two, they're not telling the truth about who they are. And they're giving a name that's not in the system because it's not who they are. >> So, when you ran the name you were given by the passenger, what came back? >> It said no record. >> And that's it. Um for more emphasis, that signals what to you? >> That to me signals that the person is not telling about who they are. So, we usually ask, have you ever had a Michigan driver's license or an ID issued to you or an ID in general? Maybe it wasn't Michigan, maybe it's Florida, wherever. So. >> Um in your training and experience, is it normal for someone to give a false name? >> Uh it is normal when they don't want to be identified. Maybe they have like wants or warrants. >> Uh when you When you are given a name that comes back with no records found, what are your next steps usually? >> So, typically, like I said, we'll ask like, have they ever been issued an ID or a driver's license in Michigan or any other state? Um and if they say yes, um it would come up in like a minute. If they say no, then we have to do do some other things to identify them, but um >> Okay, that's not a name. In here is your name on All right. the car because he's the one that is >> Okay. Briefly, um the blur [clears throat] that you're seeing on the screen, what is that covering? >> That's our lean system. >> And what type what kind of information is in the lean system? >> Uh like a There's just like all the things that identify a person. Like so you have to be certified in order to see the information. That's Um a person's address. There's a bunch of stuff stored in there that's uh sensitive and you have to have like >> [clears throat] >> I mean, I can't identify him. For all I know that's people that are in trouble use that kind of Step out of the car for me. >> Step out of the car, face the door, and get out, please. >> Hm? >> Step out of the car, please. Step out of the >> I feel in danger right now. >> Okay. >> I feel in danger, dude. >> Okay, that's fine. Undo your seat belt and step out of the car. I'm giving you a last >> So, Officer McClinton, why are you asking why are you having him get out of the car? >> Um we weren't able to positively identify him based on the information that he gave. Um And based on my training and experience, um I have dealt with people that had some serious wants um for various reasons, and so we can't I mean, we try to take people for their word, but people lie to police officers all [clears throat] the time. So, I needed to make sure that I could identify him um after the fact after him like uh interfering with the investigation. I need to see you. >> Ordered to do that now, okay? Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back. >> No, no. You call your sheriff. Please call your sheriff. >> No, put your hands behind your back. >> Dude, please call your sheriff. >> now. >> I'm telling you right now to face away. >> Hold on. Hold on, Mark. >> Put your hands behind your back. You guys need to call your sheriff. >> Ma'am. Okay. Okay. I need you to get back in the car. Get back in the car. If you guys need to call your sheriff why are you guys doing this? >> Ma'am, just calm down. >> Why I haven't done anything. Just calm down. >> Calm down, please. >> Can you get back in the car for me? Okay. >> Do not harm Do not harm her. You understand? >> I didn't even do anything. >> Stand up. Stop moving. >> What are you doing? Let's go to the back of the car. I didn't even do anything. >> YES, YOU ARE. YOU'RE YANKING AWAY. GO. WALK. MA'AM, HAVE A SEAT IN THE CAR. >> LET'S JUST CALM DOWN. >> Anything in your pocket? >> I don't have any weapons on me. Can I take my shoes off, too? >> No. >> I need you guys to check that stuff. That's what I'm trying to >> Put your feet in Put your feet in the car. Yes. >> So, what happened there? >> So, there we had him step out so that we can identify him because the registration wasn't in the back when he was asked to do so. Um, you can't see it. You can kind of hear me verbalizing. Um, I'm telling people like yank away or refuse to put their hands behind their back after you tell them to do so. And so um, I try to verbalize, but in the moment with everything going on in the on the scene, we have trying to get him to stay. And then you have the driver getting out of the car. And so obviously for everyone's safety, you want everyone to remain in the car unless asked to get them out. Um, so you have that going on, someone getting out, and then us trying to secure him and then take him to the back, but even I think [snorts] I mentioned like walk or whatever because he like he's like giving like dead weight and like pulling away. So I'm just telling him what I want him to do so that he understands what is expected of >> And so is it giving a false name a crime? >> Yes. >> And is that what happened that night? >> Correct. >> Uh, your honor, the city is ready to release release officer Patton for cross-examination. >> All right. Any questions for this witness? >> Questions. >> I have questions. You asked what name did he give you? >> Uh, Yousef Bay. >> Yousef Bay? You said? >> Yes. Something to that nature. I believe it was like >> sure? Did he tell you verbally or did he do to it to you on a on writings? Is that what we had to do to hand you the card? >> He handed me the card. It was on that and then um he gave the other officer the the name. >> Officer Riley. So, okay. So, it wasn't that you asked him what his name was, it was that he provided voluntarily those cards when he was talking over the driver. Is that what you're saying? >> For me, yeah. >> Correct. And then that And that those cards that he alleged had his identification on it or his name. And And those cards said Yusef Bey. Do you know how to spell that? >> I indicated it in my report. I'm not >> Okay. That's fine. You can just say you don't know. That's fine. Um and did you ever ask him did he have a Michigan ID or driver's license with those names on it? But you did testify that that's your normal way of what you do if you can't find >> Right. >> those names. But you can't recall if you asked him that. >> On that day. >> So. Any questions from the jury? Were you ever able to determine what his name was? In fact? >> Yes, we were. >> You were able to determine his name? >> Yes. >> Okay. And that's how you knew that it wasn't Yusef Bey. >> Correct. >> Okay. Redirect. >> Um >> [snorts] >> Thanks. Uh your honor, the city is ready to discuss this with us. >> Okay. Uh you can be excused. Thank you. You can call your next witness. >> The city calls uh Officer Mark Fox. Do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give is the truth and the whole truth under penalty of perjury? >> I do. >> You can have a seat. You can state your first and last name and spell both. [clears throat] >> Mark, M A R K, Fox, F O X. >> Uh you can proceed. >> Thank you, your honor. Officer Fox, where do you work? >> Uh >> a Lansing police officer. >> How long have you been here for? >> 3 years. >> And before you were with LPD, where were you? >> Before I worked at LPD, uh I worked for Sparrow Hospital. >> Um How long So, how long have you been a police officer? >> 3 years. >> And did you um have any specialized training to become a police officer? >> Yes, I did. >> What was that training? >> Uh I went to an academy to be a police officer. >> What's [snorts] involved in uh your training? >> Uh everything from driving to law. They're very heavy on law. We spend the majority of our time learning all different types of law. So, >> [clears throat] >> specific kind of how to identify people, elements of crimes, stuff like that. >> Um after your time at the academy, is there any additional training? >> I've been through a uh number of trainings. Uh I'm A-BRITE certified, so the advanced roadside impaired driving test. I've been through start school. I'm on the SWAT team. Uh I'm also CIT trained, crisis intervention officer. >> Thanks. Uh were you on duty or What are your duties as a police officer? >> Uh I'm on patrol and I'm on our SWAT team, the special weapons and tactics >> Were you on duty on May 22nd, 2023? >> I was. >> On that day, do you recall an incident occurring at or near West Edgewood Boulevard and South Washington Avenue? >> Yes, I backed an officer on a traffic stop. >> And are West Edgewood Boulevard and South Washington Avenue located in the city of Lansing? >> They are. >> Ingham County, Michigan? >> Yes, they are. >> And are those streets open to the general public? >> They are. >> What happened? >> Uh Officer McClain pulled out a traffic stop. Uh I think he was uh eastbound on Edgewood. The vehicle had pulled into I think it was a Dollar General I know it was a dollar store right at Washington and Edgewood. I backed him on that traffic stop and uh the whole the whole thing. >> We can stop there. Um the you said it was a Family Dollar? >> I think it was a Family Dollar or Dollar or Dollar General. I think it's a There's a dollar store on the corner in the plaza on the southwest corner of Washington and Edgewood or >> Um and that parking lot is a public parking lot? >> That is. >> Okay. Uh when you pulled up as backup for Officer McDaniel, can you take us through what happened? >> Uh initially I didn't need to call out a traffic stop. I can only speak to what I observed walking up to the scene, but I observed a white Chevy Impala with um See it. Customized plate. It It wasn't the It wasn't any license plate issued by any state or the state of Michigan. Uh I made contact with a female driver and a male passenger inside that white Impala. Uh At that time uh the my partner was It was his stop, so he was the one running the the traffic stop. I was just his backup officer. Um I ended up identifying the passenger um of that vehicle uh and had to go I had had to use uh force to arrest the passenger of that vehicle. >> Um when you were backing up at this traffic stop, what were you wearing? >> I was in full uniform. So, I wear an external plate carrier, uh a blue uniform with Lansing uh patch on the shoulder, and I have a badge. >> And what were you driving? >> I was driving a fully marked patrol vehicle. >> Uh do you see the passenger from that vehicle present for this day? >> I do. >> Can you identify them? >> He's wearing a white t-shirt sitting off to your right. >> Uh may the record reflect that the uh witness has identified the defendant as the passenger from that vehicle. >> Uh identification is noted. >> Thank you, Ronald. When as you were backing up, officer uh you walk up and who do you speak to first? >> I spoke with the passenger. >> And uh what did you Did you ask for anything? >> Um initially, my partner was making contact with uh the driver of the vehicle. >> [clears throat] >> The passenger was doing most, if not all, of the talking for the driver of the vehicle. Uh at uh there was a point in the stop when my partner got some sort of identification uh from the passenger of the vehicle. Uh he called me back to his patrol car and then asked me to get the name, open, and verbally ask for the name of the passenger of the vehicle. >> Um is it usual during In your training and experience, is it usual for the passenger to do most of the talking during a traffic stop? >> It is not. >> Okay. Uh why is it important to identify the What happens in a vehicle during a traffic stop? >> Say Say again. >> Why is it important to identify the people in the vehicle during a traffic stop? >> I need to know who I'm with. Um so, there's a number of reasons why to identify people. Number one, I identify the driver because they're operating a vehicle on a public roadway. Uh number two, I think the reason in this case, the reason we're identifying uh the passenger is because of his obstruction on the stop. Not allowing the stop the the investigation to play out uh for why the vehicle is unregistered, why there's no insurance on it, and so on and so forth. >> Um you said that you testified just now that Officer McMahon had received some form of identification and then you were asked to >> I was asked to verbally get the name of the passenger in the vehicle. >> Do you recall what name it was? >> Yes, the passenger of the vehicle gave me Aaron Youssef Bay 12 25 1987. >> Okay. Um the city requests that ask to mark this video as the people's exhibit 1B. >> And this is this officer's body cam? >> Yes. >> 1B. >> [clears throat] >> Uh do you recognize this? >> Yes. >> What is it? >> That's my body camera from the traffic stop. >> And is it a video, picture? >> I believe this is a video. It's my body camera records the entire incident when I have interaction with people. >> Um and what in this you pointed out, but what does it depict? >> Uh this is I am standing on the passenger side of the vehicle speaking to the defendant. >> Is this a fair and accurate representation of the events of that night? >> Yes. >> Above this statement. >> What's your legal name? >> Aaron Youssef Bay. That's the >> In the In the state of Michigan, your birth your birth name. Do you have a Do you have a Michigan ID? >> That's my national name. >> But do you have a Michigan ID? >> No, I've never had one. That's my Aaron Youssef Bay. That's my national name. You guys cannot deny me my nationality, dude. >> I'm not denying your nationality. I'm asking you if you have a Michigan driver's license. Do you have a Michigan ID? But I'm asking but you've never had a Michigan ID before. Have you Were you born You're You're He's fine. You don't have any weapons on I'm just going to ask. You don't have any weapons on you, right? Listen, you want to talk with your hands, that's perfectly fine. No one's in any danger or anything right now. We're just having a conversation. Okay. I I I understand I understand When you were born you got you received a birth certificate, right? What What name did your parents give you? So prior prior to you certifying that in the court, you had a legal name and a date of birth, right? Prior to that Prior to Prior to the Moorish paperwork that you filed with the state, you had a legal name. At birth. Okay. >> [clears throat] >> All right, go ahead and spell your first name for me then. Middle name? Last name? Date of birth? All right, guys, sit tight. Sovereign citizens, man. He's telling me Aaron Yusef Bey. 12 25 87. >> So what were some of what were some of the names you provided just then? >> The names I was provided I was provided a name of Aaron Joseph Bates that didn't come back to anything in our LEIN system or Secretary of State. >> Uh in your training experiences is typical for um some well Sorry. Let me Let me rephrase Uh when it doesn't come back in the system, what does that mean? >> That's a red flag here um they were incorrect or fabricating uh a name or uh it's the wrong state. There's a number of things, but nine times out [clears throat] of 10 I'm I'm getting a false name. In my training experience. >> And is it a crime to uh give a to provide a false name? >> It's called furnishing false. It's a 90-day misdemeanor. >> Is it um in your training experience uh well I hear that. Let me Did he present you with any other kind of identification? >> Just the Moorish ID um after he was placed under arrest, I found a uh either debit or credit card with the name Aaron Bates on it. And when we ran that name, we got a return in LEIN. >> And so a return in LEIN would be >> A return in LEIN means that Law Enforcement Information Network return in LEIN it's a uh something The agency is SOS. We had an SOS return Secretary of State return for uh uh an identification card from the State of Michigan for an individual named Aaron Bates. >> Uh so uh to summarize, you got back uh is correct. You got back then you got back information for >> I got correct information for his uh his lawful name. >> Uh what is a Moorish? >> I'm I'm going to be honest with you. Um I know what it falls in. I know it's not the same as a sovereign citizen, but I know it kind of falls under the same category. Uh in my training experience, they like to operate under uh Moorish law or in the case of a sovereign citizen, it's um common law, which is superseded by statutory law, which is what we operate under today. Um and that's that's all that I that I really know about sovereign citizens. >> Um so is uh Moorish ID a valid form of identification? >> No. >> And does the state issue Moorish identification, Moorish IDs? >> No. >> Uh the US government? >> No. >> B A Y Is Bey the last name? >> Yeah, Bey is the last name. You said B E Y. >> And that's not him. All right. >> What's this pause here that >> What? You need to mirror that camera. Uh what I honestly have no idea. I I I think they were talking tactics about wanting out of the car or something like that, but I I have no idea why there was a pause in the audio. >> He's the one that Okay, yeah. I'll pull him out. I mean, I can't I've never called him. For all I know, he's a terrorist. >> And in trouble. >> Can you step out of the car for me? Step out of the car and face the door jamb, please. Step out of the car and face the door jamb, please. >> I'm not doing anything right now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I'm not in danger. >> Okay, that's fine. Undo your seat belt and step out of the car. I'm giving you a lawful >> So, when you cannot get back um a name or an individual, uh what is that generally? >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear the first part of your question. >> When you can't identify someone, what does that usually mean in your investigation? >> That I got an improper name. >> Um >> That's usually the first thing I go through. Um It it obviously my training experience 9 times out of 10 um the subject more likely than not has warrants. And that's why they're furnishing false information to avoid being arrested on their warrants. >> Would it be fair to say then this is a safety concern? >> For me, absolutely. I have no idea who I'm dealing with at point. Um Officer safety is probably our number one priority. That's why we call out location and the plates on cars because that is a safety concern. >> Um would that also be a reason for why you're backing up officers? >> Absolutely. >> I'm ordering you to do that now, okay? Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back. >> Face away from me. >> Let's talk here, please. Let's talk here. >> Put your hands behind your back. >> Dude. >> Do it now. I'm ordering you right now to face away. >> Hold on. >> So, at this point what had happened? >> Uh so, at this point uh we pulled the uh accused individual defendant out of the vehicle. And I'm asking him to face away. He's going to be detained. So, I have no return on his ID. I can't identify him at all. What's going to happen? Is he going to be detained in handcuffs, put him back in the vehicle, um and in most cases it's until we can't identify them. We identify them, the handcuffs come off just as easy as they go on. Um but at this point he's disregarding lawful orders to step out of the vehicle, place his hands behind his head. >> Uh when you uh gave these lawful commands for him to step out of the vehicle, what did what happen >> I said say it again, what happened? >> What did what happen instead? Did he get out willingly? >> No, he didn't get out willingly. Um my partner had to go hands-on with him um and I also had to put hands-on on him as well uh as well as give him several verbal orders to face away from us in the door jam, place his hands behind his back. Uh at this point this would be obstruction um or hindering a police under the 1958 laws. Um So, right right now he's Three different things are going through my head. Either either he's going to fight, run, or fall to the ground and [snorts] we'll definitely Hands behind your back. Hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back. >> We need to start your car. >> I'm not okay. >> You guys need to start your car. >> Ma'am. >> Okay. Okay. I need you to get back in the car. Get back in the car. >> If you guys need to start your car. >> Stop. >> Why are you guys doing this? >> All right, just calm down. >> What? I haven't done anything. >> I'm 38, 10-10. >> Get in the car, dude. >> Calm down, please. >> Can you get back in the car for me? >> 10-10. >> Don't harm. Do not harm her. 10-10. Do you understand? >> Calm down, please. >> 10-10. >> I didn't even do anything. >> Calm down, okay? >> Stand up. Stop moving. >> What are you doing? >> Let's go to the back of the car. >> I didn't even do anything. >> YEAH, YOU ARE. YOU'RE YANKING AWAY. GO. WALK. >> LET'S GO. >> HAVE A SEAT. GET IN THE CAR, JACK. >> Social 1136 10-4. 10-4. Edward Robert Victor 6758 20D. >> All right, have a seat in the car. >> 10-4. >> He's working over there. He's got to have any weapons on >> I'll take my shoes off soon. >> No. >> I need to go check my receipt. Where's the phone charger? >> I know what you're saying. >> I got to get my receipt. Yes. >> 911 available. 10-4. 10-4. >> Have a seat. >> All right. Yeah. >> Um what is his name? >> His name is Aaron. That's what he told me. >> What's his full name? >> That's that's just That's what he's told me. I haven't known him for that long. I've only known him for a month. So, that's all I know. I know his name is Aaron. That's all I know. >> Cuz right now, he's committing a misdemeanor, failure to identify. Okay. >> This is the identification that he has and and that is the paperwork >> Yeah, and this So, I know I know he's like telling you all of this stuff. >> I don't know exactly where he's from, but this is the paperwork that he also has at home. So, this is what he's going to show you if you guys are I don't know exactly where he's from. I know his parents are dead. So, I don't I don't know too much. >> Okay. >> I know he skates. >> I know he is on his own. >> Thank you. Fair enough. Fregay. Skates. So right now you're detained for investigation for failed to identify, all right? It's a 90-day misdemeanor here in the city, okay? >> anything. >> All right, cuz you gave me a false name. >> It's my I gave >> All of that stuff is you have the name. No, it's not. >> That's why I have the documentation. >> your name now. >> Listen, that's why I have the documentation. >> legs. Close your legs. >> Listen, no, call your sheriff, dude. Call your sheriff. Please call your sheriff. >> Put your legs back in. >> CALL YOUR SHERIFF! >> SHERIFF, PLEASE JUST CALM HIM DOWN. >> SIT back in the car, man. >> Call your sheriff! >> So when you head back to the car just then, what do you do? >> When I went back to the car, uh the the accused vehicle, I I went to his wallet to look for identification. >> Were you able to identify him? >> I was able to identify him. >> And uh what was the name? >> Aaron Skates. >> And how did you identify him? >> Um the name on a I did believe it was a debit card. It was a black debit card inside of the wallet. >> Uh after finding that form of identification, uh you went back and to speak with him? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Uh and what did How did that go? >> It wasn't very productive. Um I advised him what specifically he was detained for and why he was in the back of the vehicle. Um I believe after that point, I handed the debit card off to my partner and we identified him through the computer. So based on the property out of the vehicle, so. >> Uh as you're speaking with him, you said something about his legs. >> Yeah, he kept pushing his legs out to keep the door open. He was holding the door open with his legs while he was asking for the sheriff to come out. So I had to ask him three or four times to, as you saw in the video, to put his legs inside so I could shut the door. >> So he was using his legs check the vehicle. >> Yes. >> Thank you. So, the name that you found from the debit card yielded a result only? >> It did. >> Um I believe that's all the questions I have for you at this time. >> Questions for you for this witness, Mr. Z? >> Great. >> Um Does the jury have any questions for this witness? >> I I think I might have missed it because I was trying to get someone out of the way, you know. You went back to the vehicle and did the young lady hand you the wallet or where did you find the wallet? >> It was just sitting It was sitting on the dashboard, your honor. >> Okay. Um and she told you that was his wallet? >> I don't recall. >> Okay. >> I I I I believe it was it was if I recall correctly, it was in his possession on that side of the vehicle. I think I just assumed it was his wallet, your honor. >> Okay. Okay. Um and that was was was not his car but was it? Do you know? >> I do not believe that was his vehicle, your honor. >> Okay. But um the the wallet was sitting on the dashboard in front of where she was sitting sitting in the passenger side, correct? >> Yes, your honor. >> Any questions for the jury for this witness? >> No. >> Does the other questions? >> No, your honor. The city the city rests. >> Thank you, Officer Fox. >> This portion [music] of the show brought to you by your local Yugo dealer. Our cars may be crappy, [music] but they're cheap. 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