14-year-old Aaron Schmidt lived with his much older half-sister the Callahan family moved next door in May of 2010 Aaron played with the Callahan kids every day after school Aaron's cousin says he was obsessed with the callahans 14-year-old Alana Callahan came home from school and found Aaron alone in her house she told her mom about it and her mother told him to leave the house but a week later he came back and he brought a loaded 9mm handgun with him Alana was Home Alone sitting at the computer uploading some photos to Facebook Aaron shot her in the back of the head dragged her body out of the house and left her to die in the woods this video contains the interrogation of a teenager who murdered his ex-girlfriend Aaron Schmidt was at the home of his longtime friend Alana Callahan on almost a daily basis it was a much needed change from his rough home life and the Callahan family had taken him in and treated him as one of their own that changed when Schmidt and Callahan began dating Callahan's parents were uneasy about some of Schmidt's behavior and became uncomfortable with the way he led himself into the house they encouraged their daughter to break it off which made Schmidt angry shortly after the breakup Schmidt returned to the Callahan home during a period he knew Alana Callahan would be home home alone while she was on the computer he snuck into the house and shot her in the back of the neck he then dragged her body outside into the woods before running back down the road to meet Amanda Callahan Alana's sister he pretended to discover the body along with her and watched as she uselessly attempted CPR to revive his victim we hav't officially been introduced yet so I'll go ahead and let you know now I'm Brian Jones this is Jimmy Edmond we're both investigators with the Sheriff's Office okay I know you already talked to Sergeant clack and gave him a little bit of information which is on this sheet of paper right here so I'll kind of just kind of skip over a lot of this except just say you know I'll just verify you 128 Miles Road yes sir okay de yes sir okay do you know you social if you don't that's fine all right I'm going to notate the day's date down here and the time is about 7:25 seems like a little bit later first thing I want to let you know we're here to talk to you about what happened out there Miles Road um I want to let you know right quick you're not under arrest you're not been charging anything all we want to know is just try to figure out exactly what happened to you so you you right there and you kind of you you know the story um your sister Miss chitty is here and uh chitty di chitty yeah she's here and we talked to her and she knows you're here and I just want you to know that she is up here and and and we have talked to her and let her know that we're going to be talking to you which she pretty well knew that was coming okay um first things first tell me what you know happened I mean start from the very beginning and tell me what you know happen well when I went up to the road because I know Amanda comes down to pick her up when it's rainy m a little bit rainy earlier well I went up to the road and tell Amanda that I won't be able to come for two weeks CU I got restriction two weeks and I told her everything I was going back down to the house and there's like a a little gate right there and but it's cable hanging there m but I saw somebody run across it and was H tailing it so my uncle don't like no one land and I have to get them off because know in the past there's people trying to start fires and stuff like that mhm or try to plant something that don't need to be there mhm well I went to go to go see where he went I was looking around looking around looking around I went to go go see if Amanda knew where he went if she seen him or anything when I went to go get she had to go follow her she was already halfway down the the road with the the truck to go pick up little Chase from the bus M because and when I went to house said I can't can't catch up with her and that truck and I just stopped and I went to go turn around to go back and go back to the house well when I turned around saw somebody kind of tallish cuz you know how far distant it looks like somebody's taller something higher M like on that back porch well he was Dred in grayish blackish pants black boots and a black jacket on Schmidt starts off by making up an unknown trespasser to blame for the murder and a black bean and he saw me and looked at me and ran and he was white he was a white man he ran away down to the creek bank and I I kind of thought that was kind of dumb because there ain't nothing down that way except just dead end set a little bit of full wheeel Trails so I went to go see if anything was gone or missing because you know how somebody try to break in and go run away uh I seen the chair knocked over and I saw a bunch of reddish looking stuff mhm I thought was Kool-Aid myself cuz Amanda kept on saying was Koolaid and I said it it didn't look like Koolaid okay I went and looked out at the back door and I saw some like you know like drag marks M while I seen that and I saw a bunch of more bad stuff and I figured out that when Amanda came up that a lana was missing so I went out and started helping Amanda look for her and I found out the side of that road you know W you there H was you there at the scene yeah I mean afterward you I came up where she was she was laying well all out and I got Amanda I got sick on my stomach I didn't know what to do M I just grabbed the phone from her and I was talking to some person talking about CPR pred on the middle of her chest three times and blow and nothing was happening I kept on telling them there's nothing happening except there's just bunch of blood running out of her mouth Callahan's body was not visible but Schmidt managed to find it right away this was one of the red flags that let detectives know that he was involved and that's about it okay when you came up initially when you first came up yes sir how did you come up to the house to Al's house man house I just walked right up in their backyard because I go to their house frequently because we we negotiate like the family because I go over there every day B the base said if I'm in trouble well I just walked up and I didn't notice anything wrong because usually the front door always open m but the back door it was wide open that's what I kind of thought was strange okay and I went out and tried to follow and run after a man and try wave at her stop mhm but I couldn't get her attention so I went back went up to the house see if Alana was still there hold on just a second you said you came up from the trail and I don't want to put words in your mouth but you're talking about that trail that you you said leads I mean where does the Trail lead I mean where where are you coming from uh you know where the white pickup truck is sitting at yeah right there that trail that leads all the way back there to little gate okay that leads in right in front of my house that's why I seen that person running through there okay okay so you were coming from your house from the top of the road to talk to Amanda picking up Alana from the Middle School Bus I thought you just said you came from your house up the trail and you were coming up that way and that's when you saw the back door and all open no I was coming up when I talked to a man at the top of the road when she was going to pick up Alana cuz it was all rainy I talked to her about why I can't go over there for two weeks and that's why I ain't going to be over there I was heading back down to the house and Lana and Amanda was already headed down that way it took me a little while to get back down to house well when you said the top of the road where where are you talking about the top of the road you saw Alana's driveway Amanda's driveway okay cuz my house couple more houses down a little further down okay cuz if we can made that little pass back there once a couple years ago cuz there's different people live in that house M but they just recently moved there and my aunt was living there and she had kids and the people behind her had kids and they cut a trail they made full four-wheeler Trail and go-kart Trail okay CU all they made a little you okay so you talked to them how did you get from your house I walked down that main road and I saw somebody run across you know I don't know if you know all the way down cuz I don't know if he went down the trail because well when I walked down there I saw somebody just run and jumped over the cable and kept on running okay and I went to go see who it was cuz I told you that my uncle don't like going out there okay so I decided to go follow him try to see who it was I didn't find anybody were you running after him I was trying to run but I can't I in cuz I kind of cracked it on top of my right there I did something bad to it I don't know what I did okay and I tried to run I couldn't so I kind of sped walk you know how to do that well speed walk and I tried to run down the road to try to catch up with Amanda and try to wave at her I couldn't get her attention so I just stopped and I turned around but when I turned around to go back to the house if Alana was there and ask her she SE anybody but that's when I saw that black dude well blackish figure in the back door with actually a white dude okay is that the same person that you saw jump in the fence yes or the the the like gray slack his pants okay so when did you first see this guy dressed in dark clothes when he went and jumped over the cable which is where down the road a little bit further if you on the main Miles Road Road kept on going it lead you down to a stop sign that says take a right to [ __ ] Circle well right there there's a cable right there cuz we had to put it up cuz we was trying to keep people off it cuz they kept around their fers and stuff down through there okay and that's where I seen him when I was coming around that corner and I was looking directly down there and somebody just ran and jumped over the cable and kept on running okay which way were they running down the trail from miles from Miles Road no down to the back to on the trail going up upwards down in somewhere in there to calance Backyard where were you at yeah on the main road so you were on Miles Road yes sir walking down back to the house and I saw somebody jump over the cor and I just decided to follow them try to see what they're doing but I can't see anybody else and I went down there to see if Amanda or anybody else seen him so I go I thought you turned around to get Amanda yeah I went to go to go to kahan's house but when I went to go to go to him yeah the truck was halfway down the thing to go get chased the driveway you saw her leaving and I try to run after him try to wave and try to say hey stop real fast but I couldn't get her attention and that's after you came up through the backyard and saw the back door open and yeah cuz I thought Lana was home but you said also that you didn't see where the black guy or the guy in the dark clothing went yeah but you ran up and you could get all the way up into the backyard at the callahans enough to where you could see Amanda going down the road but you didn't notice him then you made contact with him no when I turned around when I no the Callahan's main road is I was on that road and I turned around and I saw him he turned off and ran you saw him on the back porch or yeah on that back back porch how could you see him on the back porch from the main rout because I was halfway down the driveway you can see halfway onto all the way to that house cuz we have we cleared it out on which side of the house on the back side of the house in the corner I thought the main road in the front of the house front of the house but when you keep on going down a little bit further you can see part of the back of the sides then the back door how far away from the house would you say that was prob good far ways cuz all I seen was the black person like his I saw a white face you saw a black person or a white person I want to say black but it's not because he's all dressed in black but I you can see his face he's white and this is the same person who jumped over the C jumped over the fence or the cable up towards your house going down there you followed how far in there did you follow I lost his trails and I started looking all the way around down there you know I want to try to say that you know where I live and everything but it's not you don't well if you keep on going down there I was looking around in that field area see if he was hiding around in there but I didn't see him so so instead of just coming on up to the trail to the Callahan's house what did you do I was looking around see if he went down to there a creep down if you kept on going down that way mhm well if you you know that back that main road is if you kept on going straight leads down to a creek on my side of the property we got a creek and so I started glancing through there and I didn't see anything like being run through you know Lees being turned over I didn't see none of that okay Schmidt's story doesn't ring true what did he expect to do once he had confronted the man why chase after him instead of calling an adult or the police I so keep on looking so I just kept on looking I didn't see nothing else and I went up there to go and try to get Amanda or Al when you come up from the creek where did you come up from the creek at at of that main area I want to see there's two Trails maybe I'm having some some some problems here I just want to make sure we're all on the same sheet of music yeah there's some tissues down there let me grab that box is down there just on this board just for the best you can indicate where the house is where the road is the main road the link and all this other stuff got to erace that because if you want domain or everything yeah excuse me all right well there's their backyard and there's this trail that leads all the way back here M that loops around a little bit then leads out like that leads to my house okay but that over here is a field okay and that's my house over here at the end of the cable okay it's c leads right here mhm a little like that a little bit like that yep and it goes like that yep right here I got a thing down here and this be the C Road and that's the road that runs in front of the house yes sir okay but it keeps them going down to the creek okay well I got his trail that I don't know it goes everywhere it leads all the way down to the creek there's this one that goes all way over here it just stops because it leads to a deer stand this m this bottom one on down the creek Bank it leads to the road okay and and there's a little trail that right here on that road it spoops around and leads right to their back yard mhm and I came right through there and it was really close to the house MH and I just went up there but I couldn't catch up with Amanda because she was heading off okay so you came up from here yes sir so where were you at when you started well up that top of their road because stop tell man I could okay be able to go to their house okay and then you did what then I went right back down to my house but when I got around a little curve here is Miles Road because keeps on going on Miles Road there's a bunch of Curves and everything well I went around one curve I seen him jump over the cable and and kept on running this cable yes sir okay he kept running which way he kept on running straight he didn't go off cuz he can't go off in B yard because Bob he'll shoot I know he would okay he's always up okay he's always outside okay and right on the other side there was a fence until it hit Callahan's yard okay and so he could have has stayed in that one area Okay so and what did you do so I just went right through the trails and I just went on through here to this back Trail I stopped and I didn't see nobody in their backyard or anything but I noticed the back door was open I wasn't paying little too much attention about anybody trying to break in so I just walked back and there's that field so I walk back because right here where Alana was sitting at well her body it leads right back here through the field Schmidt knows the area well and knew which spot would be best to conceal Callahan's body it would be easy for him to describe a fictional Chase cuz there's this open area over here on the other side of the house uhhuh over here there leads another Trail to that field okay but I took I didn't go that that trail because I I don't know if anybody wanted me to go on that trail cuz that's their property so I just decid turn the back around and I go look scan around to that field and I scan out through the bottom through that trail scanning out up where I ended up at the bottom of the creek I came up and I was looking around didn't see anybody and I went up I know how you can go up the diameter and you lead to another Trail so I L up here and went to the backyard and went to Amanda try to catch up with Amanda but she was already leaving okay what time did you see the the the guy on the back porch when I quit running for I don't know what time because no no no where were you at oh up on that road halfway up here so you were already up here you'd already gone back out and tried to make contact with the man and you were on up here yes sir good ways you see yeah yeah way you can see the back porch in the other porch in the back where the door was open at okay all right okay got my head around that a little better okay so after you try to make contact with Amanda and you realize she's far up the road for you to make contact with you do what so I just stopped I turn around see if Alana was home okay but that's when I seen that that tallish blackish dude but it ain't he ain't black he's white okay I seen his face all right and he just took off and ran down to the you know this main Creek he just R down there you're coming down out of you're coming down off this Main Road here the driveway and you look and you see this guy on the back porch where where where the main door was open at okay so he's up by the back door and you can see him up by the back door yes sir from up here yes sir okay we're near this open area so I quit end it because you can see it a little bit backwards okay so where and you said he ran and where he ran you said back down toward the creek he just ran down here to Creek a little driveway down there so he ran from the back of the house yes sir outside yard and down there driveway yes sir down to the street and you went where I was looking to see if anything was Disturbed CU I wasn't going to chase him because I couldn't really run for him okay so where did you check for things being disturbed well well you when I the cah hands they leave their door open all I do is open the door and say hello I'm here M well that's what I did but that the computer chair was tipped over i' seen a bunch of red and that got me kind kind of worried and kind of thinking that something happened but okay first I thought long spilled her Kool-Aid and was running around but no one answered and that's when I kind of something popped up in my head that something bad happened and I went up there and looked at the back door and looked around there's more red and leading out to the back M that's when I Amanda was coming back up I was looking around seeing looking around the yard and Amanda asked why I was still back in the yard I said that I send somebody run up into to my yard that back area MH I was seeing if y'all was there but I can't find a okay and where did you Schmidt was so convincing that Callahan's sister believed his story it wasn't until her own interview with the police that she began to notice the discrepancies there's a quick reminder that I have a patreon page with a ton of exclusive and adree content like this one about a predator that was exposed live on TV his interrogation is definitely something you'd want to watch and you can do that right now at patreon.com backst stranger stories plus when she pulled up came inside I was coming back in coming back in which way from the front door cuz I was checking out through the creek Banks if he try to ditch your body because there's another Trail right here at least the Callahan's backyard mhm well that's the first thing I checked I looped around went back up to the house all right and that's when Amanda was already there hang just a second you're inside the house okay you walk in the front door what did you do when you walk in the front door I noticed well I took off my shoes cuz you can't walk in the house with shoes on in the carpet CU that's man okay so I went out there and looked around and I was looking around I was too figure I do my shoe because I saw a bunch of R and I all that black Trail but I I was not even worried about the black Trail but I don't know what black Trail it was it was like a black Trail but we take out garbage to take out to the burning pit the burn well not garbage but cardboard box and stuff like that that's why I wasn't too worried about it until I went ran down the trail and looked down down that way and I saw something bluish and that's when I seen Alana I went up to see if she was all right and she didn't she wasn't moving or nothing she had all a red face so you this is after you saw that you were in the house you went out you saw the drag Mark and you then you went to see at Lana and then what did you do well Manda was there at the time when I went outside again well I think maybe you might have get getting ahead of me I'm not sure cuz I think you you're in the house yeah I'm looking around you take your shoes off you go in the house say I'm here yeah you look around yeah I noticed that the chair tipped over a bunch of Reds on the on the what you thought was you said you thought was Kool-Aid yes sir okay I said hello a couple more times and no one answered and I was looked out the door and there's a bunch of Blood on the porch well red on the porch mhm but I know it's blood now because there is someone dead or wounded okay all right so then what' you do then I walked out around the house and I didn't notice anything strange that way so I decided to walk down the their Creek thing when you left the house which way did you go front door back door I went out the back door and was looking around if I could see a Lana and I was out there barefooted well in my socks M I was looking around and a man was already pulled up and it was coming already in while I was looking around M and I went back around in the front got my shoes on and I said I don't know where Alana is is Alana with you and she wasn't with her and that got that something pointed up and we went out there I was looking for her well Amanda got in the truck was was leeding forward to that back Trail where I was showing you that leads up through here because she said she didn't care about what my uncle said okay she was looking for her sister okay and then I was you know where well this back Trail this is where long l m well I ran this way from that back porch and was going down that way again but when I turned around walked out in front of that burn pile I was looking down that trail and that's when I saw Lana and I got an upset stomach and I was feeling wooing and Amanda saying where she at where she at I saying down that trail she said which Trail the one behind me that one or that one I said that one over there and she s here and she ran over there and called 911 just started screaming and crying okay so when Amanda came in where did Amanda come in to the front door and where were you I was down here lowest down here in that trail okay how did you get out of the house do that back door that was when you when you when you went out of the back house back at the house and uh [ __ ] you were at the back you you were in the house where did you go you went out of the back of the house and where did you go from there I went over there to the computer see was no no no no you came out you come out the back door what did you do when you came out the back door I was just looking around seeing if I seen anything strange MH and I just went on down to that Creek Bank area and I stopped and I just turned around right down here I wasn't going to go feel fart down there anymore CU I already been down there so I just been up and went up to their house went to the front door and the man was already in there was yelling for Alana and Chase okay and I said is along with y'all okay so then what did you do I put on my shoes and I went out helping Amanda look for her who went out first Amanda and Chase Amanda and Chase went out first you put your shoes on you went out where I went back out the front door and I was looking out through here cuz she first went up through the top of the road that main road again was looking out around going slowly just get out through the side of the roads okay and she turned around was coming through here and that's when I turned around I went past that verile I saw her okay where did you said you go you got sick you throw up I couldn't throw up because I didn't eat anything today it said just couple few minutes ago in that main room me a couple dad so when when Amanda she she pulled it back here to buy this Trail right yes sir no she went through her backyard right to that to my trail to back here yes sir okay where were you at sh I was standing halfway in the front of that trail riding around so you were on the D side well you know where that burning pile is that big old burning pile I know where her truck was yeah right behind it is a big old pile sticks and stuff like that I was standing right there beside it and I saw something blue and that's when I saw her and Amanda was already back here she was already starting to pull in doing that way and she saw me turn around she's like what's matter I told her why and she's saying where where she at telling her she thought I was talking about this ja but I was staying that ja and she ran over start screaming and crying Callahan's sister went into shock at the sight of the body she had only left Callahan for a short time and she had no idea that Callahan would be targeted for such a violent Act let me ask you this is this really the only thing that's kind of I'm not really sure about when you look out the back door and you saw what you said by then you knew was blood and you saw the drag marks we take we drag the garbage out but you said you already saw the blood you had by this time you had already seen the guy in the dark clothing twice um saw him at least once at the back door or whatever and you walk in and you see this blood and you see this drag mark leading to trail to that trail over here why didn't you follow it because I thought because a couple days ago me Chase and little Paul cuz they got another little brother that's got after school comes at 6:00 mhm well we was taking out garbage the other day going out around that tree cuz if we kept them going straight there's like little chain out there that we can't hardly notice but if we drag it over it's going to rip open the bag and it's going to spell all that garbage C okay so he's telling us to go that way and that's when I I thought I'm used to that black mark not until I mean I could understand a black mark As far as just a regular black mark that you've seen there all the time but black mark and the first part of the black mark is up on the porch and what's up on the porch there's red blood okay I kind of don't understand why if you'd already been all around that area of the creek down here well you said you've been all over there only going down through here in that back Trail okay but you're in the backyard when you come out the back door right yeah and you turn immediately and go back down the way that you just had already checked I mean you came from your house all the way down that trail all along searching the fields looking around come all the way back up the front of the house and go all the way down halfway down the driveway look at that field you know look through that field to see the guy on the back porch apparently come back around go in the house come through the house see the blood see the drag Trail leading right back around to the only area where you have not been and what are you doing when you come out of the back door again you go immediately back down to the other area which you've already checked which you said that you already knew he wasn't down there no down here I knew he was down there I did not Che this one Trail right to there yeah but I mean is there anything that would LED you to believe that he would hung around in that one Trail I you've been all over that area all through there I know all I did is check real fast if he was still lingering arounded of the wood earlier that you saw him he ran down this way yeah yeah when I first seen him yeah well the second time seen it on the back porch he jumped off the back porch and was running down through that way the creek here so you come out the back back door to check see if anything's missing or out of place and you find drag marks that are out of place right well I'm used to those black drag marks because that's what I was telling youall about I taking out bags of you saw go down this way and you look around why do you come over here because I thought he would still be linging around I want to say left something but it didn't what you mean like he's trying to L around trying to come back and get some that's why I double well I didn't double check it because I never been on that one Trail so I just went down there and looked real fast and I came back down this road and I didn't worry about about that part so I just went back up to the house man was already in the house cuz she pulled up pulled up with Chase and they went inside and I went inside and got some shoes and they asked if they' seen aana and I said no have y'all Gahan was at the computer when she was shot in the back of the head she was used to Schmid coming to her house on an almost daily basis so she would have been comfortable enough keeping her back to him that's when that thing went out did you bother to tell Amanda at the time that she said hey have you seen a lana did you bother to tell her about the blood on the back porch or the BL yeah she's seen it she everything she's seen everything she's the second person who went over there and looked at the computer area you said tell her about the blackish white guy that was on the back porch I told her everything that's when she got in the truck when was going around you told her he was on the back porch mhm I told her everything the only thing I can tell you is I can understand I can understand most everything you're telling me and and you have to kind of go with me here on this have do you know anything about how kind of this thing works as far as you know crime scene inves vations and all that kind of stuff you know how any of that works I mean you ever seen anything like CSI or anything like that well I have but I'm not really paying attention to it don't really pay attention to it I mean I don't know if you like it or not but that's you know kind of you know kind of part of this falls into that CSI kind of thing no we don't do it all in one hour and all that kind of stuff I mean it takes a little bit longer but one of the things that that that we did is we had Dogs come out I don't know if you saw them or not I saw one saw one there was least two we had out there and do you have any idea what those dogs do no not really all I know from one time from Jersey T last Thursday we had like a little event for the military showing off the dogs tricks they smell out like weapons stuff like that drugs bombs stuff like that yeah and also ours guard dogs people call tracking dogs tracking dogs and we had not one but two dogs go all over that area from the back of the house all the way back down that trail as far as they could go back down toward the creek and all over that area and you know one thing they didn't find they didn't find a trail the dogs kept kind of looping back around back to the house and I'm trying to wonder if there was another person down there besides you that was leaving a trail down there that was doing all that running around that you said you saw him doing why wouldn't we have a trail back there for that I don't know you don't know sir the detectives are starting to point out flaws in Schmidt's story Schmidt rather than risk an explanation that would give away more chooses to faint ignorance I could think explanation you can't think of an explanation well and even onto the standpoint of they went over there in that area where Alana was and worked that area too I would figure any area would be pretty hot and heavy on on that then they could pick something off of that and weren't able to do that either so I'm just wondering if maybe you could kind of fill in some blanks for me there on on on I mean these dogs trained I mean they're trained I know they're trained they're trained to do their job yeah and that's one thing that I do know about the dogs the dogs I don't have to worry about back talking us or the dogs I don't have to worry about second guest and once you put them down there they just run and smell all dogs do M pretty much other than eating or pooping right yeah but if I've got a dog down there and I've got not one we think well maybe that dog's not having a good day cuz I like people that don't have good day sometimes not always not a whole lot but some times there you know so we put two just to be on the safe side did the same thing nothing absolutely nothing we're not trying to not trying to say anything one way or the other I'm just we're trying to get a big picture because yeah you trying to it kind of don't throw out a good picture because dogs can't get no well it would be different if it was some you know maybe cuz we've had that before well maybe I mean I got all the way down as far as here but that's about it I'm talking about zil none zero I'm talking about running around down there all throughout that area where you said you saw this person running and nothing I mean the dog didn't act like it was even one just just yeah Nei one of them CU right where that fence is I follow sping Footprints that's why well and that's where I was going with it too because they went down there in the hand handlers and the handlers have somebody with them called a spotter yes sir what do you think the spotter's job is and see if he SE anything and to take care of the Handler and make sure the Handler's concentrating on the dog if the dog does anything that says H we got something here The Handler's going to see that the spotter looks around the Handler so if he sees anything or anybody or anything of any kind of you know significance he'll know where it is and he can mark it so in case they have to come back nothing not Footprints not nothing you know how muddy it was I mean you see all this mud right here he's got it all over his pants you got a little bit of there too and but I was walking around and stuff and I was trying to be careful and I was stomping all through it and I mean that was all kind of footprints and stuff down there but get off down in that muddy area down there around that Creek SE yeah but there was nothing Schmidt did not plan well enough to lay evidence to support his story he didn't even bother running along the route to break up the underbrush so unless this person evaporated so what does that lead us where does that lead us back to almost leads back to me May it needs to is there is there any chance that maybe there wasn't that second guy that other guy wasn't other guy well I mean but how you just said yourself I mean people don't just evaporate into thin air I know what you're saying but I know I wouldn't even heard it long didn't think you would because I treat her like my sister and and that's where I was going to go with it I mean from what I understand you're very good for her we've been good friends since they she moved there yep I mean did did y'all date it ever at the first but it kind of went out so then we just became friends because she says if it don't work out let's just be good friends Callahan's parents were troubled by some of Schmidt's behavior and convinced Callahan to end their romantic relationship well led to that led to be real good friends okay real good friends and and and and from what I gather from everybody that I've talked to that we've talked to that's what they said I don't think by any stretch of imagination that what happened was something that was malicious I mean that's another thing that we can kind of tell when we when we see these things and we were trying to put two and two together here we want them to add up to four you know and it's just a matter of getting a few pieces of the puzzle together to kind of get there and one of those huge pieces of the puzzle that didn't fit was that fact about the guy but the other one is you know we can kind of tell that this is not something that we think that was just a malicious deal I mean truth be known it could have been an accident yes sir I mean things could have happened and it might have been one of them you know one of them unfortunate deals I mean I don't know it was a movie out at one time called lemony snickets A Series of Unfortunate Events not seen that I hadn't either I just heard the title and it kind of fits you know kind of in a series of unfortunate events it doesn't necessarily mean somebody went out here and planned to do this like some coldhearted callous person did but maybe just maybe things happen in such a way that it was an accident didn't mean for it to happen and you know they happen and we try to get past them and you know the person that you know did these things is extremely extremely sorry for it and wants things to be different more that anything in this world wants things to be different the only thing that I could tell a person in that situation would be what we know we can work with what we don't know we'll have to add our own thing to the equation and come out with four and sometimes you know that doesn't always look good yes sir so the only thing I'm telling you is if you'll help me I'll try to do everything I can to make sure that we keep this straight and that we give everybody the benefit of the doubt but certain things I don't think are adding up and I don't want to wind up going out of here and giving anybody the wrong impression say is there anything that you need to that you need to change about what happened no there nothing I know that it's changeable because I know I didn't put nothing in there that I did I can't do stuff like that you can't do stuff like what try to hurt her she's actually a nice person I almost know sure well I mean I get that and and but that's what I'm saying but if there is stuff there that says you were there how are we going to get around that because there again I mean CSI the way it works is we find things sometimes we don't find anything other times we find stuff and when we find stuff you know it's got to come from somewhere there got to be an explanation you got to be and there ain't one explan well there's two explanations there what I can make of it or there's what I'm told and I'm trying to give everybody the benefit of the doubt without trying to put words in their mouth without trying to make anything of it think that something else happened but didn't happen I I don't know I don't know you tell me I don't know what do you what what do you think I know really happen all I saw was when I say I opened the door said hello I'm here before well because what do you think happened to her till long when I first seen her on the ground like with how she was I first thought she was raped or something bad happened and you could tell this how you said when you first saw her you could tell that how I don't know how it just where some no one would just come up and just hurt her she's actually that she don't let anybody try to touch her inappropriately one thing she don't do do you think somebody might have been there and maybe tried to tried to go a little further than what she was comfortable with I don't know because quite honestly that that's maybe what I was kind of thinking that you know maybe somebody was there and maybe they were talking and cutting up and you know one thing led to another and you know things went a little bit out of hand but there again that's just kind of what I think could that be a possibility I don't know I saw all I saw was what I told you that black person well not black person because all black already pretty much established wasn't there yeah that's what you all saying well I mean that's what the evidence is showing us well dogs and everything like that dogs lack of footprints lack of anything else that tells me because I mean I'll be honest with you I could walk up there and I could see Nikes on the ground see you go through the through my gate you see bootprints you can see way how they're running because at the front tip we had officers do that all the way to the cable Schmidt had hoped that because of his age and the lack of obvious motive the detectives would take his story at face value they haven't and he is going to have to quickly think up plausible excuses for their questions CU when I came through this when first thing went after is the footprints this morning this morning no when I when when I was coming back from the around that curve coming from the top of the road you just said this morning the first thing you did this morning when you went down through oh my bad if I said morning cuz this morning I went to school because first thing I did is was looking for Footprints but Aaron let me let me ask you this what point would it be for me to sit here and try to trick you there isn't there isn't man like that a job then you look at me and you listen what I'm saying I'm not I'm not trying to trick you I am absolutely not trying to make you out to be an idiot nothing talking serious business here and when I tell you there's nothing we' got right now to show that there was a man there period nothing nothing trying you saw those cars that were out there right there was more cars that you didn't see were all the way up the road both sides all the way around they had that area CED off because when they hear somebody ran the first thing they want to do is set up a perimeter they were perimeter cars set up M nobody saw anything no said no Footprints and as mudy as it was there be there going to be and on top of that how would somebody know to come down there with just this blazing streak of luck to get down there and to get in and get out and get gone in 10 minutes cuz I haven't even really gone there yet that's another thing it would have just don't add up buddy it just don't I mean I can do a lot of things but one thing I can't do ZIP down a trail and do all that zip to do die he supposedly did in 10 minutes and and you supposedly running all over there too I was looking everywhere for him but you never crisscrossed did you I've never seen him you never seen him again after you said you saw him jump the fence and then you saw him up there at the at at the back door you never saw him again right again he had 10 minutes I mean I believe me I only know one person that I know of that can make the illusion of that and that's Chris Angel the magician but then again I think that's all cameras and mirrors anyway I don't really believe that he disappears well and it's probably not worth your time anyway because it's all a bunch of garbage magic jint that don't matter to nothing I'm talking about real world here I'm talking about real world people here you and I Flesh and Blood flesh and bone that leave stuff behind us that tell us you know we were here and I go and we look all over that area with one and then another dog and they don't find anything and then I can't for the life me figure out how he would have flown in there and flown out in 10 minutes much less anything else back this real quick when you saw him you you know you came down through the path was looking for him and came back up to the house and he came out you a man that was already going down down the road right yes sir so then you go to the door and go inside gu so and how I mean you know Amanda's just just leaving the house she hadn't been gone 30 seconds let's say CU she's right there still out front right no she's heading down halfway down the road a minute two I mean take long to get there down that drive minute or two so she's just left the house a minute or two and that time you're there so I mean we don't even have a 10- minute time just a well that's true too we're talking a minute two minutes yeah at the that she leaves and there's nobody there I mean Lana Lana's there so she leaves gets in the car pulls down the road you're showing up so how's this guy already in the house is I mean it's physically important yes sir I mean you see what I'm saying she just left and when she left this guy wasn't there and she knows this she knows you were there and you went directly in the house and you didn't seen and you didn't see a lana gahan's sister was away from the house for a very short amount of time it would not have been long enough for a stranger to break in Kill Callahan and then immediately go to the best location to dispose of the body oh there was no there was no 10 minutes anybody to be there there was no time for anybody to be there it's kind of s like y trying to say that I did something that I know I didn't do we're trying to F no we're trying to F I know what you're saying but it's kind of saying that like it makes it sound like it's come directly back to me like I did something wrong what we're trying to get out here is we're trying to find out everything that happened out which I'm trying to tell you but there's just I mean I know you're trying to tell us about this blackish white guy there if he if he doesn't exist I don't want to have everybody out here looking for this you know non-existent person when they could be doing something El sitting here right now and be telling y'all that about this person I wouldn't be sitting here I would already confessed a long time ago that I did something which I won't do because I don't do that I don't you call GSR yeah him yeah all [Applause] right right-handed or left-handed can you get both for huh be be right around the corner all right you need one of those in here no I'm good I'm good gunshot residue kit it's going to get it all over huh it's going to get it me all over why is that cuz just two days ago and yesterday stay me and my cousin T practicing Schmidt comes up with an explanation for any gunpowder residue on his hands but he doesn't realize that there would be little to no Trace after that much time had lapsed oh really yes sir well what's your cousin's name Tommy Tommy what Dent what kind of gun y'all shoot 22 22 what rifle or pistol or what rifle rle you like guns not really I know they do bad but hunting little it might just be the person that got the gun that does bad maybe how'd you get that on your finger I clip my finger in my a fence oh really today I was getting the the I was getting the dog his dog collar because it's sna the other one right so I went and got so I went got him a new one it's hard to say yeah yeah I got you well can I'm not worried about you having gunshot powder residue on your hand mhm it's when the powder that matches up that's on that girl's face mhm it comes back the same powder that's on that yes sir that's when we got a problem because all powder equ the same it's not the same they're all different no I'm talking about whatever powers on same things if this powder right here that I just took off your hands if it comes back as the same powder that's on that girl in there then there's a problem so it don't matter if you tell me you shot a gun yesterday I ain't worried about that this is news to Schmidt who is panicking internally because he knows that those traces will be a perfect match I'm trying to match what's on your hand hand on that girl and I'll know that in about 30 minutes but other here you ever watch see outside is it yeah I wish it was that easy I wish I could solve something within an hour even with the commer so here's what I would do thought with you I know to tell the truth can I finish mhm I would because I got more than a 22 bullet residue on my hands what other kind of residue you got on your hands I got uh because we right after we shot that we went and got a dude named David uhhuh down the road from my house David and Ty because Ty over his house uhuh so they deci a couple of his their guns with him all right well if I need to go and find the guns that you know you shot and the residue is going to be your hand where them guns at going to be in my closet and my uncle's closet in the front of his door okay y oh um I need you to do the same all right where you I'm never get home tonight look here dude all I do is show up and take the take the samples but I'm telling you science don't lie I know if what I've got right here is on that girl and you've been sitting here I telling these guys truth and I have to go through all the trouble to find out about it it's going to look a whole lot worse so you know something's happen is happen okay yes sir all right what sink you want me to do that man the bathroom right there hey all right we at better ticket shoes off okay miss you know there wasn't another guy there he was here here a long time know you been doing this a long time this whole thing just got twisted turn around and like I said we talk to you know you're not a bad guy know they brought you in Ian if accident happen accidents happen we can something but you saw mom you saw what happened to think she deserves she's been St with you please do but I was not the only person there okay so I did not shoot the gun okay I was actually trying to stop it okay well I did see the person jump it the fence and everything I I kind of did do that but I went straight to the house but when I went in and and a gun was shot and when it happened he point the gun at me and I got scared I'm sorry for lying at y'all who who to do like I was saying T I don't know who his true I don't know his name though I know what's the truth and I'm trying to give truth but I but every time I try to say it right now it comes right back down to me we know I was not the only person there I swear to God if I had a video camera I would have put it on let me let me see something let me see the Bott you no no lift Them Up Lift them up okay here here's here's yet another piece of the p on top of my foot on top of your feet how is it you get blood on top of your feet walking around on it in the floor I'm trying to tell youall but I just have tell yall that part that one part okay okay cuz he aimed the gun at me I don't know if feels where where did the gun come from huh where did the gun come from I don't know sir he was going aiming at aiming at me the Dirty Work what kind of gun did it look like it look like a 9 mm okay to be honest cuz we guess what we found cars around that target practice area right there guess what we found what 9 mm casing where at around that Target area that you said you and then were Target PR remember you heard you say it your target PR but I don't I never knew about a 9 mm about 308 we found some cing around there so obviously we know there's a 9 mm up there somewhere what's going to happen if they find that gun and it's got your finger prints on it and on top of that it's got gunshot residue in your hand how are we going to explain that I'm sorry the performance Schmidt puts on for the detectives isn't very convincing he doesn't shed any tears and his emotion is stilted as one would expect from an inexperienced actor I'm sorry but I did not shoot her did you see it Happ yes sir I had a the weapon okay you had to ditch the weapon sir where did you ditch the weapon at it's over there near those bushes near the truck but I I had to help him move the D Body I didn't want to like [Music] him he kept the gun at me though and telling me to do it saying every time I do stit going get me I'm scared but he had the gun on you but then you took then he threw the gun down and ran and you had to ditch it and then you ran out and you tried to look for him and you he was gone at that point why would you why would you tell Amanda because she was trying being mad and trying to hurt Alana the detectives don't believe there was a stranger involved at all and they certainly don't believe someone coerced Schmidt into helping them dispose of Callahan's body if that were the case why let Schmidt live if he could identify them How would how would that be oh no sir I know listen to me listen to me listen to me the only way we're going to do anything as far as trying to explain to Alana's mom what really happened this you to just go go ahead and let us know what happened and that I'm telling you right now the god you're telling us you're telling us song listen to me it's not all it's not all I did not pull the trigger like I said to Happ so if we find the gun and we find the fingerprints on the trigger and we find all that stuff it's yours I mean you see what I'm saying yes sir I know I took off my shoes and I went that but the on the top of your feet I know cuz I had to lift up the body why didn't he do it he said he didn't want to get any blood on him I don't know G on a shoot don't it was some kind of short FSH brownish he a you just said before it was a tall black I know I had to say that so he don't get on me I know who he is though I know who he is but I don't know his name where does he live He's a guy who likes shooting all his weapons down thead y probably think I'm lying about it crying Aon I don't think you're lying I think you're scared to death and I think you're trying to figure out a way to make some sense out of what happened but there ain't but one of two ways I can look at it and you go with me on this I don't we all know sitting in this room there was no second man there was listen listen to me I'm not lying about the guy though listen to me listen to me I did not stand there making help this line this dude standing there listen to meon you listen to me I can tell you there bit of Mis certainty of us sitting here just like he can there was no other man so this boils down to one of two things right down me no listen to me it is either somebody that went over there with the intention of hurting a Lana and this was a premeditated cold blooded deal old or the only other thing it could be was things got a little out of hand and it was a complete and total accident and that person that did it is scared to dang death right now trying to figure out how to make it right one of the two I hurt her not purposely not purposely no I never would hold a firearm without without adult that's the main rule I'm like I'm not supposed to you know one thing that I know that most people who do stuff like this don't do I mean I've got 20 years in just about he's got right behind me about 16 we've been doing this a long time and one thing that I do know about people is they don't do the dirty work and then hold somebody else hostage for the most part and make them do all the cleanup and all this other kind of stuff and then Turn You Loose knowing you know them there would be two people out there laying in that no wouldn't because I was going when he I said Alana down he would have never let you do that CU if You' have walked in and you saw what you saw you would have been laying right there next to her a without a doubt without a doubt that's much I know if he's already done it once he's not going to have witnesses and I've already explained to you there wasn't enough time for anybody there was I'm telling the God on his truth about this though I don't think you are yes I am I'm telling you everything I know right now I'm laying my car on the table like the god out the police officer I've had them lay their cards down I've had them swear on a stack of Bibles High as My Mama's head swear on the Mama's grave I'm not scared the only thing I'm scared of is he coming back for me now if you have a SE we are not going to let that happen I'm not one thing I think you need to be one thing I think you need to be concerned about those is people that I think you forget about this is I know they parents her parents are scared of what I don't know her parents are scared of this guy here running around in the woods this Maniac running around in the woods if you know there's not a maniac I've got to let them know that because in addition to what already happened I've got to be able to tell them look you're safe I've got an obligation to keep her safe and him safe just like I do you right after callously shooting his longtime friend in the back of the head without remorse it is highly doubtful that Schmidt cares about the feelings of her family those little boys and those little boys you got a level with me but you're not leveling with me and I don't know how that's going to look go ahead and get it off your chest one way or the other and let us deal with it I'm trying to get off but y'all saying that I'm lying I'm not saying have I have I called you a liar no way how y'all saying cuz my sister does this to me called you a liar no sir I won't all I'm saying is I've got a family over here that's upset and they are scared to death yes sir and you're telling them that there is some Maniac out there running around in their Woods just random randomly just going out there killing people for no reason how are they ever going to sleep at night again I'm telling yall there was another dude I'm not saying I I was not there alone I know I want it don't need to go get Tommy Tommy won't know nothing would you tell me where he lives on Miles Road and I will go find this guy right now and I'll lock him up right now I can tell you where he lives where does he live he lives you know where uh elephant Drive is MHM went down that well first you go down there you turn to the right it leads you to the little house that leads to a little red Jeep he's got a buttload of dogs a buttload of what dogs and he goes out there just randomly shooting anything with automatic weapons I caught him on my property for no reason one time he aimed at automatic gun at me once since the detectives won't believe there was a stranger Schmidt tries to drag an innocent man into his lies this still doesn't explain the lack of tracks in the woods or any other evidence of a person other than Schmidt near the body okay so when I go down there and we pick this guy up and we are ultimately not able to tie him to this scene what's going to happen then it doesn't matter if you can't it all will lead right back down does matter if we can though Aon he's you talk you're going to talk about laying cards down we're laying cards down now this is how it goes lay you laid all yours down and I'm gonna lay all mine down I'm laying all mine down right now I'm lay all them down and I'm GNA tell you right quick the trump card that we've got is your story does not make sense that's what exactly what y'all is saying I'm trying to tell you what no what you're doing is every time that I ask you something or every time I point something out you try to make make it fit it's not going to it's not going to nothing that you say except what happened is going to fit that's what we're trying to that's what we're trying to get you to understand plain and simple you can sit there and talk about dwarves dancing under the rainbow it ain't going to change the fact that it's not going to fit period the crime scene does not lie period it does not lie it's only for you to understand no want be able to tell something Poss it's not going to compl her hat my G I didn't want to do anything to haror I didn't want nothing to harmer I believe that yeah we do you can look at this whole situation and tell that so want you tell us what happened I'm telling y'all but Y is saying that makes a big fogy almost a my myth right there so if you know in your heart of hearts if you know that what I'm saying is the truth why would you keep hanging on to it why are you going to keep hanging your hat on something that you know you can lay all them cards down there ultimately I'm gonna lay my hand down and I'm going to win the hand think about it Aaron think about it think about it long and hard everything that you've set up into this point and we told you at every step of the way which way it doesn't make sense and you know it doesn't make sense but you're going to keep hanging your hat on it we're already at a point now to where we're almost there the last breakthrough is you and that could be the ticket investigator Evans is talking about about being able to tell her mother period we're asking you to help talking to her mother [Music] see she will she does I can't think of anything like that yeah she does if you don't think about Mama think about a l okay there's this boy named David Matthews right he's kind of psycho little bit like that he told me a couple days we or couple kept on kept on telling me that Lana likes making fun of him making gestures and kept on making fun of him and everything and he wanted to kind of get back to her mhm kept on CU she kept on humiliating me front of this girl that he kept on trying to hit on he wanted to scare her a bit and he went to go go in there and go scare I didn't know he was going to do anything to Schmidt keeps piling on lie after lie in the hope that adding specific details will make him sound more credible you it's hard to say because I know it's GNA Le back to it's G be on me so you are you trying to say Dave Mattis is the one that shot her he came all dressed up and we kep on hit he said let's just start her up and Scar we he kept on banging on side the house well he was and I will go up and say a lot you home David wants to say something and he didn't say once she didn't want to go out he went in there was talking to her and he kept on doing this that and the other and them two jelling at each other for a couple seconds and he did something stupid Schmidt is so invested in his story that he has forgotten that there would not have been time for any of this to happen each then what he pull the elevator he didn't pull it out he was sitting over there on the parents dresser because he ran was running around at her house he went there cut he went what he got it Go SC she shot him he AC shot her what when when did this happen I didn't know he was going through that St are you talking about the same time that we're talking about this is been going on you're talking about you came up with him as Amanda was driving off and y'all were beating on the trailer and doing all this stuff no he was halfway up already ahead of me but I already knew who it was all right I didn't know he was going to do something [ __ ] crazy where did he go he went straight to our house where did he go after he went back down to his house where's his house couple right down the road from mine house how did he leave her house to get to his house he ran down the down the way we came up which is up the trail yes sir but we pretty much told you the dogs ran that trail not that trail this one right no this one right here he took this sideway Through the Woods back he took that took Bob Olivers and went right back to his house I where the gun he can't got it off of Mr Paul's dresser supp pie of safety or something or whatever I didn't really know about the gun until he pulled out off the dresser going over there scare her he was I was going to go over there and tell her and tell her mom H down that wouldn't be able to go over there for two weeks and he was just there just some f farting around that it's well and and I'll be honest with you that still does not add up but that even makes you look twice as bad I know because you could have worn mom off or sister off and you didn't I don't think that's what happened I don't I just I I don't know I don't I don't know what else to I don't know what else to say I don't know what else to do I'm trying to get you to understand something here I know my hand's going to be on that gun because I have the bottom line is you're all over this whole thing period not just a gun the yard the house the the road everything you're over everything you Aaron are over everything nobody else is over everything you're forgetting there were other people in that yard too with you the dogs kept tracking back to the same spot which is in the backyard kept running around over here running around trying to find other stuff and they couldn't find other stuff and they ran back to the front yard why because nobody left that backyard Aaron nobody left that backyard if anybody left that backyard those dogs would have made a be line off of it and ran through the woods over there cuz they ran that way they looked that way but they kept coming back why because the person didn't leave there was no time it does not add up your prin the only ones on the gun right yeah because he you're the one that that dragged her outside yeah dragged her over there and might I add you you said oh you just thought it was a garbage Trail do you really want me to go tell her mother that that was a garbage trail that was drug over there no sir okay then you see what I can say somebody around here like a bag of garbage her daughter was drugging around here like a bag of garbage it was an accident it was an accident but you got to tell Dude you got to tell us if it was an accident let's sit here and quit talking what it is game it was a game something whatever happened but stop on that some other dude did it man everybody tries to say that and everybody that said it it don't wash all of the evidence points to Schmidt but he is young enough to believe that he is smart enough to come up with the story that will account for everything with each retelling He makes himself look worse as weak as it was the lie was more believable in the beginning I told you it's not going to add up you can say it you can try to believe it but you know it doesn't add up if it was an accident say it was an accident not trying to put words in your mouth and not trying to trick you nobody's going to end up eyes eyes you don't even know what's going toen happen any more than I do I don't want to her to hurt her feelings you don't want to hurt whose feelings her feelings Al mom her feelings are already hurt Aon how much more hurt could they be I didn't mean to hurt her all right then what happened she was goofing around and I was goofing around but first I went over there and tell her that I couldn't be over here for two weeks like I was saying I know Amanda kind of a little bit forgets stuff when she's doing a lot of busy stuff and I told her and she said she want to go outside let's go and do something well I didn't know the gum was loaded okay and what happened and she was acting like she was pulling the trigger and I said don't do that and I took it away and I want to go try to go put it up so I can go leave and it went off Schmidt is getting desperate and clutching it straws the forensics show that Callahan was sitting down with her back to Schmidt when he shot her where was she at when it went on whatever the computer was over at the computer how close to you when you it went off I had right there in my hand grabbing it to take it away so you were right behind her when it went off right in front of her right in front of her she get shot in the face in the back of the head he got shot in the neck all I know she shot over back of the chair and fell over I didn't know she was sh the back of the or not all I know is off and she went flopping down and she was in front of you and her head back of her head was facing you right no where you making it sound like I try to shoot in the back of the head we're not trying to make it say that's what the evidence shows buddy I know so if you know that then why are you saying we're making it up we're not that's no but I aim at her head at all all I did grab it and it went off where were you at when you grabbed it right in front of her when I grabbed it the gun tilt up and I went it when it tilted up it went off sit tight just a second okay you want something to drink or I want to go to the bathroom go to the bathroom I'll walk you around in the bathroom I'm going to try to make this as short and sweet as we can make it okay because I know we've been here a while and I want you to understand from this point forward I only want you to tell me the truth okay I don't want to rehash any of this other stuff that we've already talked about that may not necessarily be the truth I want you to only tell me the truth okay starting from the beginning what happened today well I told you about the thing about me being a restriction right well I went back down to the house to tell a line in case cuz sometimes a man do forget so I want to tell her and well cuz the other day I the door was left open wide open while Amanda and Miss Betty left and I came in and I sat down and waited for whoever to come in she said if anybody does break in I'm want to know how to like use something you know have his th because she don't know how to use it well she like I was saying she grabbed it and everything was still fting around with it and I said don't don't be doing like that CU I don't know if it'll go off and when I grabbed it went to go put down the hammer to go back up and didn't want to go back up and just flew up and it went off and it shot out of my hands and and hit her okay Callahan's fingerprints should have been on the gun if this scenario was true if they were not and even if Schmidt had had the presence of mind to place the gun in her hand to get the prince there are ways of determining that as well when that happened and you said Alana was talking about wan to learn how to shoot there there stuff that was going on out there that scared her I mean she didn't want to be home by herself and she she wanted to know how to use the pistol okay so there's this pistol that was laid where was the pistol at to begin with just laying her underneath the bunch of hats where at I mean you said she was where was she she got up from the computer from on Facebook M and went in the bedroom and got it and I said I don't know if I should or shouldn't okay and she started fidling around with it you know doing this well because it pulls back and does that well had a hammer down I said don't pull the trigger because it may go off because the Hammer's down I don't know how to put it on safety nothing that cuz I didn't even know about how they how to use this gun what kind of gun was it do you remember a 9 mm you remember what kind I mean as far as kind what did it look like it was probably that probably that big for the barrel MH and probably the stock that big okay black was it blue or was it stainless or silver silver silver stainless silver okay and it had a pullback hammer okay and when she pulled it back I I never didn't know how to use the gun I'd already told her that because she asked me twice already because this be the second time I told her no I can't because I didn't know all the gun safeties about that and when it went off it nailed in the head I got very scared I didn't know what to do okay where were you at when the gun went off directly behind her I was trying to get up on the table so it dig if it dig go off it won't hit me or hit her but when it when I try to pull that trigger back or ease it back up the gun slid that way just a tad bit and went off cuz slid off my hand okay it went off all right let me ask you this just for General principle just to cover this because I don't I don't want had you and her been having any problems no no fin was was y'all arguing about anything was she own Facebook saying anything to anybody I'm not going to have all her friends I'm not going to have all of her friends coming back no she just got through saying that he was over here and he was aggravating the SN out over and blah blah blah come in I know friends will do that you know they'll come back and they'll you know she was talking all this trash about Aon was bothering all this it was going to be none of that right no sir okay so if we check with face her and I'm nice to her okay so if we check faceb she's nice to me if we check with Facebook and pull that Miss we're not going to find on there where she's talking any trash about you no sir okay so this is strictly a platonic thing between you and her and when I say platonic friends as opposed to you weren't involved with her romantically or anything or wasn't trying to carry it someplace romantically and she said no or anything no sir none of that there's no way possible that could be no sir okay so you she she just all the has she been talking to you about this gun before about wanting to shoot it yeah because she said that she her dad got a new pistol by Bruce and I wasn't really too worried about it cuz I know I ain't supposed to touch them notless without adult around yeah well she went in there well she knew where the guns are because they're sitting right there beside their dad's bed well up against the wall with 30308 and the pistol was sitting underneath a bunch of hats just sitting there which obviously you've seen that before right or did you go in there with her when she took it out she went in there and just got it so how did you know it was on all the hats and all that stuff because he put it there before he left to go to Michigan you saw him put it there no I want to say try to when you take it apart and put it back together what are you doing cleaning it just just disassembling it and cleaning it and put it back yeah that he was doing that and went to go put it up because he he wanted some help hold his bolt and I helped him hold his bolt okay he he put it up okay and you saw where he put it okay so she went in there and got the what what time was this about probably couple minutes before not minutes but proba this might help this might help you out you you went earlier you saw Amanda up at the driveway right I mean tell me that yes sir and you told her that you won't be coming around for a couple weeks cuz you're were grounding yes sir okay then we go from there well I had I remember that sometimes a Mana does forget because she's all the time really really busy and F she'll forget things because the boys they kind kind of don't do their homework right and a man is on them 24/7 so I went up to Alana cuz Alana does nothing all she does is on Facebook every day she comes in just do that because so when you left when you left from Amanda where' you go from there straight back to my house okay and I was watching a little bit of TV and I remembered that sometimes a man does forget I didn't want to miss Betty think that I'm not over there because I don't want to be over there this version is even worse than the others Callahan's actions make no sense and there still wouldn't have been enough time for all of this to happen it is also unlikely that Callahan would have brought the gun without knowing that her sister would be returning at any moment so you did what I went over there and went to go talk to Alana and Alana was on Facebook doing something with pictures changing them out mhm and when I came in and she said she wanted to use this that the other well get you know how to use it mhm well I told her I probably can't because I probably don't even know how to even use the turn thing and she said you probably do you probably do I'm like no I probably don't there a pistol I don't rifle I do because I'm expert at rifles I know how to take them apart and put them back together all right and she went in there and got it and when she pulled out on the hammer I didn't know how to get the hammer back up I try to ease it up slowly but you you had it and she sits back down in the chair and back on Facebook yes sir and how far behind her are you probably within 5T away okay I'm sitting in the chair all right this will be her were you standing up well there's a table behind her and I'll standing up and trying to ease that trigger up and I had to set the gun down behind you and show me see cuz when how you are a little bit probably a little bit bunch of boxes right behind us where Miss Betty's got packed up while I was doing this to give it down right and I set the gun barely on the table and I went to go move the hammer barely up and it slid on the hand and went off and Al just fell over forward sh all the for on the computer yeah I got scared and I was scrambling around I was trying to I thought I was going to be in deep deep deep deep deep trouble I thought I may be going to YDC because people think I'm trying to go out there and trying to kill somebody but I'm not I was I was trying to be nice to her not to but the D thing went off and it popped her popped her so what what' you do you took the gun you put it in Pocket what you no I grabbed I just threw it down on outside I like oh no Amanda's coming real soon oh no oh no just you know when you losing it for a minute or so M so I open the door because she already fell forward and fell out of the chair and the chair was laning backwards all I did is open the door and trying to drag her out but I can't really drag her she's kind of heavy mhm and so I just quit you quit where she was at a little yeah and I just left her alone and I just went and try to hide the gun and I want to go try to I wanted to go inside to get my shoes but man had pulled up and it was already going inside I went inside to get my shoes and I I had to make up something or she would have been all over me like white on RS what would you say when you came in what I told y'all and when you got your shoes and stuff and you ran back out she went man went got in the truck where' you go no act like I went down in the woods and I turned around I acted like I was seen her and I but I was I I I felt like puking when it did happen but I couldn't I was balling and everything I didn't mean to do it one thing I got a question about and I watched what you were doing over there investigator get see you said when you had the gun you said she was fidling around with it she you said she cocked it yes sir and you were saying whoa whoa I don't know about that I don't know you know well you can figure it out no I don't know if I can hang tight and you would said you stepped in behind her to try to let the hammer back the way you were doing when you said you was behind investigator Ed cor if I'm wrong you standing and I just say his back is to me like this okay you said you were back here like this at the T table and you had the gun down here like this trying to let the hammer down and it kind of slipped and went like that and went off okay is that what you said yes sir is that kind of what happened yes sir the only thing that I have a question about is the gunshot from what I've been told and correct me if I'm wrong on this went from up down which meant you had to be above her for it to go the way it did I didn't I wasn't I was right there on that table is it possible that that you were closer or any way shape or form could have had that gun higher than what you're saying no because I was right there for something well this thing that little thing I went to go try to sit down but I couldn't because corner so I just stood up and it went off and it bounced and hit the table it scared me of course because it sounded like a 3030 going off even though it was a pistol I like I just threw it down for a minute I was dancing around and Lana just leaned over making a like that mhm and she just leaning forward and lean over and fell out of the chair and the chair went L okay Schmidt keeps having to readjust his story every time the detectives mention new evidence when she Mak any noises when you took her out quit moving she was making noises right after it happened moaning did you ever think about calling 911 I could they don't have a house phone I don't got a cell phone my cell phone got used up my sister why didn't you just go ahead and tell Amanda when she got back down there something incredibly bad has happened I don't know what the crap to do but I need help she needs help she's right here please God help me because I even heard act like I don't know I had a lot on my mind I thought it was going to hate m in my cuts one thing I can say is I think they would have probably not liked it more if we kept up with this whole deal about some other guy running around you know of course that's just me um are you sure that there's no way when you cuz I mean like I said one of the things we're going to have to do is collect evidence from her because you know where the window I don't know if yall went in got a basic idea well the table was right here and there's chairs so I went over here by the window right there near the computer chair what not really near it because she screwed up really close to the cube mhm well at the glass door and when I when I went to go do it it hit the table and it bounced off and it went off and when it went off I threw the gun down like I was saying she made that sound and it scared me because of course it did happen because that's what I was afraid of Happ did happen once it did then I got even more more scared but what I was saying is if we go and we collect evidence from her it says that that shot was this way as opposed to like you're talking about here or this way how do we how do we figure that out I mean you didn't walk up behind her let me just say this is the table and here's the window all right well this PE chair but it's a little bit further that way mhm I was holding the gun like this aim it at the table and when I did I I went to try to undo the clip well I took out the clip at first and set it down so it don't like reload and take out cuz I know that pistol can do that yeah so I just try to ease that hammer out and when I did I hit the table when it lean it up high well I don't know if it hit High because all I know my hand was up and that thing went off it bounced up and it scared me and it scared see that's what I'm saying the I mean the way you're trying to describe to me the barrel would have been pointed down into the table Yeah but and we' have had a shot table and I to go try to get down in the chair so I don't like accident well cuz I'm real shaky cuz ADHD that's what happens because of a hyper disorder I stay moving well shaking everything well so I want to go sit down so because every time I sit down I my hands would stop shaking around but when I did and hit that table and it when I hit the table it moved the barrel like that it janked up and when when it went down like that the trigger went out of my hand and it flew up the hammer okay but what I'm saying is the way you're telling me you're down low enough to where I'm on this side of the table doing you talk like cross this way or this way this way no no I'm saying you're standing there is it shoot this way or this way was the Lana over here or is she over here now she's over here she's over there okay and you're on this end of the table close to it no this in over here okay want to go sit down and when I sat down the barrel hit the table and it bounced it up and it went off okay went off sideway huh one off sideway all right we found the weapon this one was having it print oh yeah he's already pretty much said all right here's the deal whose Prince is supposed to be on that gun that's it okay who PRS it's all only it's always only the gun AR on it h Alana prins aren on it who Alana is your name Alana is his name Alana no that's Aaron I telling him yeah aon's Prince because we got his Prince on fou that's yeah yeah your praying strong that's all and when it hit the table it bounced up and went off and it got her in the head so there's no way in the world that you were up behind her over the top of her and shot her in the back of the head that way there's no way that happened you know I say if they don't find any other prints on that gun besides yours how do we account for a lana holding it you said the last time you saw it had been cleaned yes put away she grabed it but but what if we don't see I used the I don't want to stay act like I'm trying to try to cover up or try to act like a wiped off I'm not saying that you I'm not saying that but when I was going try to lift it up because she held it by the barrel well I I grabbed the barrel with the rag and I was going to try to hold it like this I was holding the rag just to in case if it did go off and burned my hand but I did have the rag on my hand on the barrel and doing this to try to ease it up and when it when I when it hit the table like I was saying it when it hit the table it bounced up and I lost the grip of that that that hammer and it went off it got hurt been target shooting the stuff outside and all that stuff before yeah but I never why don't you just take it outside and try to usee it use it upward if it went off facing the tree I wasn't thinking about that cuz she said she wanted to see and I said I don't know how to do it what would have been just step there to the back door that door didn't want to open the back door that you opened to take her out wouldn't open when you had the gun in your hand to show her I it wasn't open I have snatched it open as hard as I could the front door with it you know I wasn't thinking even after being thought out in his lies Schmidt sticks with his story I still don't have a good [Music] about all right all right let got a phone cring guys and the corner and all that stuff and they're out there looking where that table is now and where the computer chair is she sitting in and they're telling me it's not possible that the gun was fired from the table height to where it hit her the gun was fired up up out there oh yeah be out there all night but the gun was fired up higher it wasn't fired at table height it's not possible way how she spinned in her chair it did happen no what I'm saying is that the TR trajectory the way the bullet went in it came from up to down okay or did it go through the table couldn't do that okay that would be down to if it you were on the table I'm sitting here playing on Facebook and I'm down here on the table down there on the table see what I'm saying bullets going up but this one down came down so it would have to be fired from you know up here I never did do that though but I'm saying we up here doing it I mean I'm just telling you I I'm just trying to you know put pie together like got scared what about this rag you said you you grabbed it with yeah I used the the rag on the kitchen it's on my kitchen stove now can I put it back why did you use that H grab it with why did you use that to grab it case it went off and burnt my hand why were you worried about it going off and burning your hand if you were holding it the way you were supposed to be holding it I wasn't holding I was I don't even know how to hold the pistol how did you grab it I had my hand on the barrel like this and I was supposed to have my hand like this right and I'm supposed to ease it off like that okay but you were standing over by the computer where was the where was the rag you grabbed it with it was in my hand how I mean would you grab that first did you grab it afterwards was it right there I mean what what how'd you get cuz I thought I thought about it and I went in the kitchen I grabbed the rag and I just put it on top of it and I grabbed it you came back to behind her to unload it huh then you came back from the kitchen to behind where she was at on the computer to go get the rag and I went back and grabbed the rag and if you went over there to grabb the rag why did you come back behind her to unload it why didn't you just go outside I I put the pistol down the table that's not what you said I didn't take it into the kitchen you said you went into the kitchen got the rag got the rag yeah and you came back in the living room and you said that first she handed you the pistol yes you had the pistol but you had thought enough about it to go into the kitchen and get the rag and put it over the pistol now you're saying you didn't have the pistol I no I left the pistol where I was sitting at and I was doing it before I was even going thinking about the thing going on I was doing like I was saying I was doing but I was too scared to do it I was nervous okay and I was thinking about if it did go off it how about this why I just leave it there I wasn't think about it just leave it there on the table and go you know what neither one of us are going to touch it when Amanda gets home we'll let her know hey look we you know thinking about going out and shooting it dumb but we'll just leave it there no harm no foul it doesn't go off everything's fine kind of why I think it didn't happen that way is because the way you're trying to say it again yet didn't happen because we kept digging into this further and they'll be out there all night I mean if we keep sending them things to look at they'll stay out there all night and half tomorrow if we need them to I I'm getting a little agitated I'm trying not to Aaron I really am I'm getting to the point out I'm trying to tell you the truth no you're not trying to tell us the truth if you were trying to tell us the truth just tell us the truth and quit trying no you would quit trying to just make stuff fit what we're telling you listen we we're telling you what the evidence is and what the facts are okay I know showing Dory range of that was probably way too close and it went our head to a diameter way listen we're trying to tell you that the evidence does not it contradicts what you're saying okay it's not it's not going with what you're saying okay we're telling you that's flat out you can't lie about that I you can't we can that's the way is it is the way it is okay you understand what I'm saying no sir okay so I know for a fact that that gun was not there on the table like this when it went off okay no I never did say it went off like when it like that because when I when I had was up above her yes it was higher than where it went off it was up it wasn't down it was up is what I'm telling you if you were playing some kind of game you thought it was unloaded you come in there and you know po whatever and it went off you didn't know it was loaded okay but what I'm asking you and what I'm telling you is that's not the way it happened okay tell me the way it happened the detectives aren't going to let Schmidt continue stringing them along he is going to have to change his story once again but neither did detective holds out much hope that it will be the truth tell me the way it happened would you go back and forth all night and I can tell you that it didn't happen that way okay I'm not going to be in trouble if I do I want to know the truth I want to know what happened okay I was being dumb uh I grabbed it when after she handed it to me I was trying to undo it like I was saying like I did but I thought it can go back again so I can just you know pull it back again but it it wasn't budging and I picked it up and I was going to try to go outside but the door did not want to go open with with just one hand and I was doing that again we see if there just pulled back and just let out the bullet and it didn't and my hand was on the trigger and it just went off but that still doesn't figure out you're over there by the door now and not it behind her like you were no the glass door beside me but what we're trying to tell you is Aaron somebody I mean let's just spoil it down to Brass tax this happened because somebody was standing up behind her at a certain angle when that gun when I was doing that I was doing this trying to see if it'll come out cuz Okay now you got to point it up in a yeah now I have it sideways in my hands so I can Gras onto it like this and just pull it back I was doing this and I kept on doing that pulling it back where are you standing when you're doing this up against the glass door which would have meant she's beside you right no no where you know where I was saying where I was sitting at right you said you sitting by the table Yeah I grab I picked it up and I was doing this and I was looking I actually had it pointing at me at first and I was doing that and and I turned it like that and I kept on I like so what point you didn't grab the rag or anything did did that did none of that happened right you didn't grab the rag well I did grab the rag but I didn't really get use it because it didn't grab you're confusing me more you're confusing me more look somebody and I mean to cut you off but bottom line Aon we can run over this all day long listen to me listen to me the only way could have happened was somebody was standing behind behind her I stood up and I was doing this but you said you were over by the window where were you at I mean good Lord you done moved all over this house in this period of time I mean you're in the kitchen you're over here about the thing you're over there in the thing back over here back here back there what happened it ain't any worse than what it is right now just tell just you know you're trying to sit here and fit everything into it so it sounds better but all it comes out is just sounding like you're trying to cover up something that's all it sounds like period and I'm not trying to get aggravated but good Lord we've been sitting here talking about this now for a little while I don't want to go to YDC I'm scared of a lot of things I understand you're scared of a lot of things but the one thing that you need to be concerned about is trying to figure out what the facts are get the facts straight I am telling the truth about doing this and I grabb you are trying to manipulate things to make it look a certain way this is what you're trying to manipulating this time yeah sure you are if you're not okay this time I don't care about what happened prior to that gun going off I want to know when you had that gun in your hand where were you at when you got it in your hands I was standing right there behind her okay and what did you do I was trying to trying to get it get it back up but it didn't want to go up okay first I thought I was how close were you to her within two feet closer to her okay because here's what we know the bullet went in it went through and it went into the keyboard so it could not have been from the side from over here from over here from over there what we're telling you is there's only one way it like this and I want to go do it like well hold it like this you know AIDS it but like I said it did slide out of my hand it went off and it popped it why Schmidt isn't going to let go of his claim that this was an accident none of his other stories have worked and he knows he is facing a murder charge if he can't turn things around maybe I'm saying it wrong I don't know no you're not you hav any to tell me the truth wa how I'm saying right now is a here you see it's the computer chair right okay well I'm just saying as far back just tell me just tell me well let's just say you just turn backwards okay here's table okay this is her what now what is she doing what she just turn was spinning first she's spinning but then this point she turns around she she's tyed the computer and she kept on well she kept on doing spin again every time she was getting the message uhhuh and I I held it like this and I want to go pull it pull back a little bit and when I did it's I wasn't paying attention about how fast it was going to come up but when I was standing right here which way was the barrel poined I don't know it was facing that way Ian was it this way or was it this way facing that way that way okay that keep going to my left and when I when I barely even tapped that trigger it went flying up and grazed my hand and I missed it and it clamped on and went off and it popped so is that how you got the pinch on your finger right there no this I got pinched by the the fence at my house okay it closed down on it so that's not from the hammer coming down and hitting you no sir CU that's kind of what that looks like to me I've had plenty of times where that's happened I get a little blood blister there cuz I held it wrong so you're holding it in your hands like this and you're trying to get the thing to come down and you got your finger back like this yes sir and your finger on the trigger and barely tapped that trigger like that and when it when I barely tapped it it went which finger did you tap the trigger with this finger you had that finger wrapped in the yes sir how did you have it I mean how grabbed it by the barrel like this you know how the barrel is and I grabbed it like that I eased the barely even barely put any Force to the trigger I and I wasn't paying attention how fast that that the hammer was going to come up and when it came up it flung up and missed my finger and connected to it and it went off okay and I mean is is this you didn't shoot yourself in a hand no sir you're dang lucky and then you look and what happens and she just leans over and fall and the computer chair Falls over are you is this about where you are in relation to her mhm all right I mean she's sitting there and you're standing here yes sir okay well not turn like that but I was right behind her so you're standing basically Square behind her well not BL I mean I mean it's like if he's turn around with his back to me are you standing kind of like this behind her a little bit further back like that this see the faceb on yeah yeah or that LE one yours aaroni Aon yeah don't have on about demons I mean quit fighting man demon or something yeah just we your greed or something like that listen we going back and forth back and forth back and forth right took all that to come to this point but here's the thing her fingerprints on on that gun you know why they're not on that gun Schmidt grows more panicked and upset each time the detectives press him to tell the truth he is running out of Lies but he isn't going to give them the truth without a fight you tell me guys she got it well because she didn't have the gun D I told you we're going to pick apart every little thing just quit trying to think of something else to cover it up and just tell me the truth okay but she did want to use it okay I'm not lying about that she wanted it I didn't want to grab it but but she said I wasn't going to get in trouble if I do go in there and get it so I went in there and got it and she said it be fine be and she went to go grab it and pull it back but I end up grabbing it and bringing it back myself because she well I was trying to focus on her hand L just just no you try no I'm not saying that you went and got the gun yes you came out yeah yes but the clip was already halfway down okay I didn't know what to do what clip was already halfway down a hammer yeah Hammer but you said you went like that yeah I thought I thought I did because the that the back thing went down MH a little Hammer thing went back down okay CU I went like that and hit it down and I didn't know how to get it back up without it doing off yeah okay so what happened like I was saying I grabbed it not right at the bottom of the barrel at top of the barrel I was doing that to try to make sure that it didn't go off but like I said it slid off of my hand it went off okay and what did she do when it I mean when you when you realized it went off what happened what did she do like I said she fell over forward on the keyboards and she roll like rolled sideways and the computer chair fell down W and I got really scared what did you do at that point I just was thinking about everything at once it's hard it's hard about what you're doing but tell me what you're thinking about and what you're doing all I did is set the gun down I was like hold hold I put my hands to my head and I got real scared what was she doing what what was uh Alana doing she fell over over down okay I got scared I didn't know what to do where did you stay right there with her yeah see if she was all right but she wasn't moving she wasn't breathing or nothing and here's another little piece we got where there's some fingerprints on the curtains by the back door where it looks like somebody reached up and tried to pull up on the curtains she was trying to pull us up that's my hand for Down Low Down Low that where she was no that's when she fell over if it's down low well that's what I'm saying so she didn't just fall over and lay there she was down low trying to reach I trying to see if she was all right and she she didn't move she wasn't breathing but you just told me a minute ago she few minutes ago she was moaning that was it when it went off it she fell over did she ever grab at the curtains no she just fell over the chair and she just one down I'm not lying about this I'm not saying you are even I said that so many times it's probably so old yeah unfortunately yeah because she just fell around like oh no no no no no no no no I got very scared I didn't know what to do she just laid there and blood going everywhere as you can see mhm and I was at her house and on her I I didn't know what to do I was trying to think of something as okay as you're thinking what are you doing I didn't know if they was going to get mad at me if I told him about the truth about the gun going off and hitting her in the head about that or make something else and they'll try to actually like me still and don't don't want to be around me yeah so what did you do so I try to make up like that thing I was telling youall about the man everything I told her about that and about it and I just moved her body out how did you move her body I picked her up by her sleeves and I just BR her out how was she facing she was just facing upwards adding bits and pieces of Truth to the story makes it easier for Schmidt to pass this off as the truth it wasn't an accident but he likely did move the body as he described when you dragged her she was facing upward the whole way yes sir okay your head kept them going back and forth back and forth all right did she say anything did she ever make any noises right then what' you do I try to try to act but I can't act well I mean did you did you live did you run back in the house I mean what did you do I tried to go back and get my shoes but I couldn't because Manda was coming in okay where was the gun at that point I already took it out and I was ditching it all right what did you do that cuz see you skipped that part when when did you take it out and ditch it I mean you laid it down when I took her out and I laid her down I just ran ditched the gun so did you take her out and lay her down on the on the on the back porch yes sir okay when you laid her down on the back porch what' you do um ran inside got the gun and I went and ditched it where you know where the burning pile is MHM well you don't go to left you go right and right in that corner not in this side and over here but there's Trail but go on the left side area okay it's right there all right how far down I don't know I just tossed it you just tossed it you didn't lay it down all right hold that left side you talking about the left side over there where Alana was or come back around and this go right right in front of where the truck was parked yeah there's truck but there's another Trail onto the right side okay if you wanted some water on right side there's a trail but on this Trail when you're on trail look on the left side it should be somewhere right in there okay all right so how I mean how did the whole thing about the gun come up in the first place I mean when you I mean when how long had you been there I've been there probably about five minutes CU it took a Amanda a little while to get down there and wait for Chase to get off the bus okay so it was probably 10 to 15 minutes and she was telling me before I left I was about to leave because I told her that the door was open because that one day the door was wide open even though a man is said she locked it mhm even know it was wide open okay I don't want know about all that I want to know about when you're standing back there talking to Alana she's dabbling around on Facebook answering emails and stuff like that and talking to you or whatever at what point did she say anything man what of this gun thing come up I was telling her I I think about it and she kept on saying I need to know I need know so you talked about this before uh only once why was it just so important today huh why was it just so important today how it been done today I don't know has she been having problems with people I mean you said before she was scared yeah scared stay home by herself because one time there was a dude that walked around her house and she got scared okay I mean I mean this is something she was always talking about or she's talked about that for quite a while okay so you're there today and all of a sudden today she mentioned something about shooting and all of a sudden today it became such a such a strong thing because she said she wanted to know so well before I left how to use it and I was like I guess maybe I don't know if even though you don't know how to use a pistol by your own admission you told her this and you said I don't think it's a good idea but sh she pushed you that much to where you figured it was all right to go get the pistol where did you say the pistol was you know where the bed is the the parents bedroom is MH well there all the way against the road there's the the uh 308 Cent on the corner because she already knows how to use that she already got knocked on the tail using that thing thing okay um she say was on there be up there it be right there underneath right there on top of this the dresser there brownish dresser sitting up there underneath three hats with two glasses on sunglasses on it okay was it in anything huh was it in anything no it was just a pistol laying up under there with not in a box nothing I see a box fully loaded huh fully loaded fully loaded I don't know it was ful load I didn't see the clip I to get the clip out she told me ear you get the clip out yeah you said earlier you did I didn't know how to get the clip out until I was Miss what are you calling the clip huh what are you calling the clip is that the clip here where you got to pull it back no no no no no that's the uh slide that's the slide the clip this little thing up under the with bullets go where the magazine that's the magazine that's the that's that I know how to get that out okay I don't know how to get this out because you didn't know how to c you didn't know how to clear it out of the slide you didn't know how to clear it out of the chamber that's what you're saying so you're talking about the barrel the slide and the Chamber as opposed to the clip yeah because a clip that we talk about it's not the proper term is the magazine that's the proper term you know about the magazine you got as you said before you did take the magazine out of the clip that's what I'm trying to figure out how did you take it out then you're saying now all I did is grab the handle and it fell out because when I grabbed it there's a button it just slid out no matter how many times Schmidt changes his story or tries to come across as someone who didn't know how to handle a gun he still can't make the evidence lineup to support his claims you just said you never took it out because you never learned how to take it out no I was talking about the magazine he just said fully loaded you said I don't know if it was fully loaded or not I never took the magazine out cuz it oh I I never I can't see everything all I saw is a couple bullets at the top that's it I can't tell if it was fully load or not so you get the gun what do you do when you get the gun who was she with you when you got the gun yes sir what was she saying and doing I didn't know that pistol is that big because it is a little pretty big and I let well I didn't let to hold it I was going to say that but y'all going to say there ain't no fings but it did have a little weight to it and so the clip the hammer was already back halfway like halfway mle and backwards MH and I didn't notice it and I went to go to just see if it was loaded and I couldn't get to this thing to get back and see if I can get it out okay and I couldn't get it out all right I want to go try to get that ham this y'all are back in the bedroom at what point did you walk back up into the front and she sit down that you were doing this for I don't know when it was one couple minutes we were talking and she said she got what were y'all doing this couple minutes you were talking you were just fumbling with the gun trying to figure out how it was working what well I was trying to see how I'm going to get the bullet out if it was loaded because on Facebook yeah well she came in there with the room with me and I get we walked out I sat down at the table behind her uhhuh and I was trying to still see if that D thing would come out and I thought it was Jam okay so I'm trying to see figure out how to I don't know how to use a rifle or 3030 you know how you got to put Finger there and ease it up I thought I had to do that but it flung up okay it kind of started me way how flew up and it just went up and it clicked and when it clipped it went off okay and then by this time you were standing up that happen doing this yeah she falls forward she falls down she moans as she's falling forward and and falls down the chair Falls over and then what do you do I was just sitting there trying I touched her by the shoulder and roll over a little bit and like are you okay are you okay I got scared and I kind of mum when I get really really scared and and I kept on doing that and I was trying to see if she's all right and she just started gushing out blood the top of her head okay and I got scared even more when I saw that and I was like because I turned white you know when I that turn when you turn white well I turned white and I started sweating because I was that scary okay so I take out open the back that I had to put a lot of thrust in that back door to open it I didn't know if it locked the knot all I did is grab it and slung it back and I put her on the back porch and I went and got the pistol put clip clip or magazine like you're saying yeah and put it back in there and I just threw it in the woods and I tried to drag aana but it didn't work out that well where were you going to take her to huh where were you going to take her to that's one thing I was trying to figure out and all that seemed like a better better solution than so it look like there's something I'm trying to make it's hard to say it I think I know what you're trying to say you were trying to say you were trying to do it in such a way to where they wouldn't bring the heat down on you so much they wouldn't never want to see you again yeah that but you see in all this running around trying to do all this stuff over here to try to prevent them from seeing this in a bad light what does it look like still a bad light so did you really get away from what you were trying no instead it makes us think you're doing nothing but just sitting here lying trying to save your own self I was trying to say but it's kind of confusing to say well I understand that but you were outright making up stuff to begin with time yes but when I said I was going to pull out full cards I was trying to get it out well and sometimes it comes longer for others to get it out and I just want to make sure that we're not going to have one of these other Revelations I'm not lying about nothing I didn't mean to hurt her all right okay hang tight and I got my shoes we'll think about Aaron that's your name my name is Frank dson this is uh Richard dougas got some water there good to go you sleepy all right look at him investigator uh Jones and Edmond have been in here talking with you right before we put you back talking with them I just want you one more time to tell me exactly what happens from point A to point B and I I understand dude look look at me look at me now I understand it's tough you know you got a friend of yours you want to see a picture of her you don't want to see we got a picture of her if you want to see one okay I know it's tough and I know it's hard for you to recall in your mind the events that Happ happened that's caused this girl to be dead but I need you to just do that one more time for me okay cuz I come in got you swabs you know we check the sink no prints on the gun the rag thing turned out to be you know not true so explain to me exactly what happened she wanted well because the other couple of days ago door was well open no what caused you no listen to me what caused you to go to her house today why did you go to this girl's house what's her name Amanda the girl that's dead L is that the girl that got shot in the head okay why was you at her house today well went over there to tell her to remind Amanda or just go up to uh Miss Betty to tell her that I'm on restriction for two weeks why do she need to tell them that because I told Amanda and I know Amanda sometimes forgets because you told Amanda you told Amanda that you were on restriction but then you went to this girl's house to remind Amanda that you were on restriction that didn't make sense well because sometimes Amanda forgets because she's all the time busy with Chase and little Paul but you told her you said Amanda I'm on restriction is that right so then you went over to this girl's house who's now dead and you said hey remind Amanda that I'm on restriction is that what it is yes sir okay and who's Betty uh her mom whose mom the dead girl what's the dead girl's name Alana Alana okay saying dead girl I'm sorry I'm sorry but she is dead so okay all right so Alana so you went to Alana's house today to tell Alana hey when you see Betty and when you see what's her name Amanda Amanda remind them I'm on restriction all right so you go to the house to do that what door did you go in when you got to the house front door did she let you in yes sir I knocked on the door and she let me in okay but she she said hold up didn't you say he was on restriction I said yeah but I here to let you know to remind Amanda when did you tell her you was on restriction I I text no I didn't text her tell the truth I I am telling the truth no you're not yes I am why would you go why would you go to her house to tell her your own restriction when she opens the door to you like oh dude you can't be here your own restriction that don't make sense she already knows your own restriction why would you go to tell her she had to know who told her huh Amanda I believe I don't know I I never even told her you never told told Amanda right so you're going to tell Alana Alana tell Alana hey I'm on restriction but when she opens the door she knows you're on restriction they've switched in new people to question Schmid the change in approach combined with the more focused questions about the inconsistencies in his story should shake him up and what did she say to you well when I when I walked in she said take off wait a minute wait a minute you she opens the door and she says oh wait a minute you're on restriction right did that stop you at the front door for a second till you tried to explain to her what did you tell her to get you in the house if she stopped and was kind of weary about you coming in the house and saying well wait a minute what got you in the house she told me to come in real fast well what do you mean come in real fast what does that mean no I'm just trying to I'm just trying to understand really dude I'm talking about going in and help her with something I didn't know understand okay here we go who is it yeah okay open door hey man you're on restriction that's where we're at okay she recognized that you were on restriction you tell me you were there to tell her that she that you're on restriction okay what you just told me was that she stopped you at the front door and by sto and by stopped I don't mean kick you in the gro or she just said oh wait a minute okay what happened after that because when I turned around I was about to leave she said since I was there can you hold up for a minute help me out that she asked before if I can help her out with the gun the gun issues what stuff like that what did she ask you to help her out with that got you in the house today she just said come here real fast and not help because I always help her out with anything help me bake a cake help me sew a hat help me shine a shoe what was you in the house to do today what were you going in there to help her do today what put you in the house I don't know she told me when she sat down on Facebook and she was going to say oh hold up I got to delete this picture and putting a couple more on there and I said hold up you me to come in and help you dude we're not at the computer yet we've not even made it past the front door don't jump to the computer okay she stops you at the front door because your own restriction okay she says come in and help me what she just said come here help me out real fast something I just said all right and it could have been anything as far as you knew yes sir okay you say sure I walk in I'll open the door and walk in take off my shoes like usual CU Miss Betty hates it just walking on the so when we call Miss Betty she's going to say yes sir they better not nobody ever come in my house with shoes on cuz I get in that ass is that right yes sir Miss Betty is going to say that yes sir okay go ahead so I take off my shoes and she said remember the day that I helped well told you about I need help with that something I was like no no no what okay I was like you're talking about the day I came in when the door was open and she's like yeah she wanted to know how used gun in case somebody came in what day did you go to her house when the door was wide open how long ago has that been and who was there that might could help us prove that what day was that was that a day that that you might have got on Facebook and and and founding your friend and that'll refresh your memory was it a day you got a your pocket knife and what day was it I can't have pocket knives okay then how about a new chain whatever it was that you Wednesday because I was in my uniform what Wednesday last Wednesday so today's Monday this past Wednesday you went to her house and the door was wide open and usually day was you on restriction last Wednesday no sir last spch off what got you on restriction between Wednesday and today well not today it was last Saturday because these boys came over at late at 11:30 something I was supposed to wake up my sister I didn't know I didn't want to wake her up cuz usually she gets grumpy and everything what got you on what got you on what did you do I went down there to get my money back and Chaos went in and what chaos and was fighting so you out fighting late at night David Tyler Reed and I don't care who was there you was out fighting late at night that's what got you on thetion yes sir and that was when this past Saturday night yes sir what day did you go to Amanda and tell her hey I'm on restriction uh Monday Sunday I couldn't go over there talk to her Monday Sunday oh you you told her Sunday this past Sunday no today I told her I'm talking about I couldn't go over there Sunday tell her because I went to church and my cousin my aunt made me go over there to his house and spend the night and okay they don't like me really touching their phone and stuff like that okay so Wednesday night or Wednesday during the day you go over to what's her name Alana Alana you go over to Alana's house the door is wide open what does that mean the doors is wide open usually they leave the front door open and leave the little latch door closed and somebody be in there it was open today like that it wasn't had a knock on the door that's right that's right okay so you just you just went on in the house I mean is that common we they tell me to open door and say I'm here and I did Noah answered Schmidt has to retell his story from the beginning and many of his movements don't make sense he also leaves out important details such as Callahan's mother not wanting him to enter their house so freely and I said if anybody's here I'm using the bathroom real fast I went in the bathroom and Alana comes in Mana comes in within a couple minutes so they were both in the house or they came in after you you got in and started using the bathroom yeah and when I came out well before they were in the house and didn't hear you or they came in after you got in the house after I got in the house okay all right I thought they were in the house house because they don't leave the door unlock and open like that okay and so I came in went to the bathroom when I got done and flush to come out La went to go close the door CU man asked her to close what door to what room the front door to the house yeah because when the Sun hits it reflects the TV but all you was doing there was to go pee yes sir you didn't do did you just pee all right and I came out and she screamed and she and Amanda screamed and La screamed and so you scared him yeah and I didn't me and scare them cuz I thought they was already in the house I'm like where where were they at in the living room so they were in the house when I well I came in before them where were they at when you went in the house what were they doing were they hanging clothes wasn't even in the house where were they at I don't know oh so they just came in yes sir okay and they screamed cuz you scared them you come out of the bathroom and what happens and they said how did I get in here I was like you let the front door open and they said no I didn't and I was said locked it yeah then if you locked it I wouldn't be sitting standing right here right now and she kept on mumbling like go Che every closet who did who said that Amanda why she was on the plane cuz she thought cuz she probably cuz the door you got to close it all the way if not why would she want somebody to check the closets if you're in the house you think you going to take something or no she she just says that in case if somebody's in the closet hiding got you okay go ahead with it well she said that that and went around checking out closet like a little little nut yeah right okay and we laughed at her it was kind of funny who laughed at her Amanda then I did then after that everything was all right but we didn't Amanda said she probably halfway closed it and locked it the door issue is good let's move on what did what did Lana say what was going on what did she say what today no when you scared him in the house what did she was like just screamed and I was like shoot yeah I thought I scared you you scared me more than with your screen right what what other what other conversations y'all have that day nothing about only when she's at school she'll come in and tell everything that she did that day see here's the deal you just sat right here and told me that the reason you got in the house today was because Alana wanted to talk to you about that thing that you were at her house far this past Wednesday and you just now telling me that y'all ain't talk about a thing all you did was scare them and they screamed it don't make sense I know CU they what did Alana want you to help her with last Wednesday that you showed up at her house today and she reminds you hey come in and help me with that thing last Wednesday I talked to you about oh she was talking about using that hand well using the guns and I like you laughing H you scared her you scared her she's scared she goes and checks all the closets what happens then what conversation did you have with her later that night when Amanda was in the living with the boys doing homework you know every week they got homework well we went in the kitchen and got a little snack and she was like mumbling at me hey you might later that night did you come back or did you stay the rest of the day I stayed there because I stayed there until eight or nine okay how did you how did you just forget to tell me that when I asked you what did she do after y'all screamed and after she screamed you said no I wasn't noticing I wasn't thinking about if you was talking about the gunness inance there's a dead girl you need to think you need to trying to say I want you to understand you need to pay attention to what I'm saying I want you to give me every detail don't leave nothing out nothing I want to know everything everything okay it's very very important you told me you went to her house today she let you in because she wanted you to help her with that thinge y'all talked about last Wednesday and now you forgot to tell me about the theme you talked about last Wednesday except now you're saying it was Wednesday night she talked to you about what well when we got our snack we sat down she's like a little you know kind of being quiet a little bit so man don't hear M well she's like mind show me how to use the guns around here I like which ones all I know is your dad and man's got a three and she's like I know that how do you know he's got a 308 because we target practice with it who targets practice Bruce and Paul what's Bruce's name last name sorry unlike with the previous detectives Schmidt isn't given as much time to think between questions he rattled and having trouble keeping the details straight I don't know all I know Bruce and Paul yes sir but they'll we go to them and talk to them they say yeah we we shoot with him all the time target practice everything that that's verifiable so she's like so when I go talk to them they'll they'll agree with that right yeah target practice all right with you I don't Target PR with them no if I go to I no no no no no no no no no no I ask you how do you know he has a 308 and you said you target practice with him well what I meant by that well you better tell me what you mean I'm not allowed to touch that gun then how do you know he has a 308 if you ain't never shot it the thing is he he was he hunts doeses he take you with him no well then how do you know he's got a 308 how do you know this I'm not blind I'm not stupid I see it he pulls it out that's what I want to know that's how you got to tell me I see it I see it in the corner of the house you got to tell me these things I didn't see it in the corner housee because mainly he pulls it out and he'd be Target practicing but the reason you know he has a 308 is because he showed it to you before right yes sir okay great now she mentions the 308 or she doesn't what she did no she already knows about 308 because her dad let try it out and she knocked through okay so then what did she move on too and she like Bruce handed him another gun and I was like what kind of Bruce handed him another gun Mr Paul her dad another gun gave him another gun yes sir okay well gave or borrow I don't know so Paul is her Granddad and Bruce is her dad no other way Paul is her dad and Bruce is her no Bruce is Mr Paul's best friend okay all right so ever how it worked out her dad wound up with a 9mm and what did she say Wednesday night when you were at her house and she was talking softly and she was like he trying to show me how it working like she said what show her how show her how to work it I was like uh what are you talking about showing you how to work with what the little gun that my dad's got like what kind of little gun she she knows where it was and she showed me what did she show you a 9 mimer where was it at when she showed it to you did she show it to you Wednesday night yes sir where was it at when she showed it in our dad's room underneath a bunch of hats and sunglasses what was it in it wasn't in nothing just laying there by itself between two hats you know underneath the hats like SL so the handle was sh but there was a hat on top of it and it was laying under a hat right and under three hats and two sunglasses on it okay so how did she show you the gun how did she move the hats what did she do to make you see the gun uh she says right there she pointed at it and she moved the Hat she pointed a stack of hats and said it's right there yeah I was like what and I was like you know like he just did like stack of hats okay so she moves the hats she cuz she said she didn't want to touch the gun I was like if you don't want to touch it she never has touched it she never has touched it no no Prince ain't know it exactly yeah that's what I said okay okay go ahead I'm sorry go ahead and she's like I don't want to touch it I was like why you want me to show you how to work this thing even though I don't know how to work it but yet you want me to show you but yet you don't want to touch it so we carry on I was like I don't know maybe I don't know it's probably a bad feeling and I didn't didn't do it that day so Carri it on to today so you covered the gun back up or or yeah we set the hats and sunglasses right back on top of it yall walk out of the room and then what happens what conversations do you have just we just went to Facebook and she was showing me a bunch of her friends I'm talking about them okay all right and and Amanda when do you leave the house that night uh go home around 8 o' or 7 Wednesday night yes I go that's regular we over there that take me home have you had any contact with her since last Wednesday until today did you see her Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday I seen her Thursday and Friday and no I couldn't see her Saturday nor Sunday because I want to th's house when you saw her Thursday and Friday did you just go to her house to hang out did she mention the gun again never mention never brought it back up no she she was trying to tell me something Friday I was completely out of it Friday cuz I had to leave early cuz I had to go home what do you mean you were completely out of it Friday uh because I got kind of jumped by five black boys and my face was hurting and everything I was trying to get home did you report thatuh did my sister no did your report getting beat up by by the black guys I didn't feel like talking really about that I understand headache and all that I didn't want to hurt the boys feelings I didn't want to come over because I was in pain but I just sat there C play a little video games with the boys and we did horse played around what night was that Friday there are a few details that can be verified but the important information such as Callahan asking him for help cannot there is no other evidence to suggest she was afraid of an intruder if she had been she would have locked the door while her sister was away what boys was that chasing little B okay but you were at the other girl's house Thursday and Friday night right Al uhuh yeah that's still the same house so they were over there too yeah that's their brothers okay so you show up today she says come on in I want to talk about that thing we talked about Wednesday night you knew ding ding it's about the gun it's about the gun that I don't know nothing about she don't know nothing about I shouldn't handle it and she should shouldn't handle it but you know that's what she wants to talk to you about is that right yes sir okay do you see the back of her as she starts walking away from you going into the house do you follow her is that the way it goes or what no we'll just fun uh she told me that it would be all right if I could just try to mess with it but no no no no no no when you walk in the door and you realize she wants you to help her work on this thing from last Wednesday yes today all right okay where do you all go after you go into the room after you walk in the front door of the house and you make contact with her what happens then we go straight to the computer and we talk a little bit and go straight to the computer she sits down and what's she doing she's just typ cuz we got a computer we'll know everything she did so just just throwing that out there typing and trying to edit her Facebook pictures around edit them around yeah okay like delete and add more on that where were you at I was in the bathroom at the time and I came out and she wanted me come back over there helping she like trying to point out which pictures and which and I she wanted you to help her what pick pictures out okay friends yeah like who's good-looking and who's not who's hot and whatever yeah okay and I was like I guess maybe and with then a couple minutes later she was like this is to off she said what she like topped off you means top of my head get it like top off no I'm totally lost dude what does that mean I mean it just popped up right the top of her head oh just out of the clear blue bam like bam out the clear blue she says what she's like uh uh you supposed to aren't you going to show me how to use it I was like use that use the gun I was like uh how can I show you when I don't hardly even know how to use it myself so she's on the computer tying is she in the middle of tapping when she says oh wait a minute hey how did that happen she turned and looked at me I was talking to him okay I was like uh I guess maybe maybe not I just got bad feeling about it and we went and got it and we walked out who went and got it you you and her went in the room yeah what happened in the room she moved the hat and she said told me to grab it and I grabbed it and the hammer was already ready back already pulled back I was like uh is it the same way that way Wednesday when you looked at it yes sir I wasn't paying attention that much but all I know it was still the same thing was looking and all I did is grab it and I was like uh why didn't you grab it if you didn't know how to use it or you didn't know what you were doing why did you even touch it well I know how to use a regular pistol but I don't know about 9 mm then why did you touch it it ain't a regular pistol it's a 9mm why did you touch it if you didn't know what I want to hurt her feelings I don't know how to do it even though I told her and told her and told her and she just kept on going on it and I was like fine all right so she kept on and on and on and on you about you showing her how to use this hang yes sir why she said because she in case if somebody tries to break in or do something we've checked the residence there's never been a Breakin over there exactly that's what I've been telling her it's always clean down here she likes it's always clean where on Miles Road no about breaking in Callahan was supposedly worried yet as soon as he was in the house she went back to focusing on the computer then according to Schmidt she randomly switches back to the gun nothing about this interaction feels authentic I ain't saying about clean like drugs stuff like that because it ain't judge me about that so the whole reason she kept on agging and nagging and bugging you CU she didn't want anybody break in or do something to her so cuz sometimes she gets off the bus and she's so 14 years old she's want to learn she's on you about want to learn how to shoot a handgun yes sir 14 years old yes sir a female yes sir that's on Facebook most of the time and worried about who's goodlooking and who's not she's going to be worried about w learn how to shoot a handgun yes sir because it may sound stupid but may I'm not saying it is or isn't well how about let me tell you you GNA say it is I mean this because she said she's been seeing something going around her house messing around because like what like a head she saiding she's been seeing a face around somebody saw you dressed in camouflage watching their daughter change into pajamas what yeah we got a guy that's done come up here and said you've been sitting there in the woods or wherever it's at maybe you don't have Woods don't start splitting hairs with me but he knows that you've been watching his daughter change into the pajamas and coming outside at night getting firewood I know that for a fact that is a fact and don't sit there and deny it you know that's true wonder whose head is seen walking around the woods over the whole time I'm talking about another family whose daughter you've been watching change pajamas change panties drawers I don't know maybe it's not pajamas so if you sat there and watched or change 1970s pants suit don't split hairs with me he knows you've been watching her daughter his daughter do something cuz he's going to come up here and told us and I can tell by that look on your face you're going you know what God dang it how did they find that out dude we I don't know nothing about this I don't know what y'all talking about I'm afraid we're going to go off on another tangent of live so let's just redirect our you know look let's just do this what possessed you to pick the gun up today that you didn't do it Wednesday cut you naged and nag and nag all right what hand did you use to pick the gun up with the right hand okay what happened when you picked it up W me through picked it up I I was noticing that the hammer was back I was like I don't know if it was load or not so I I took out the magazine by a little button cuz I just barely grabb the handle how did you know to take how did you know that released the magazine well I didn't know at the time all I did is grab the handle and it just let it go and I noticed that there was a button so I just kept on filling around with it and it fell out and when it fell out I saw the bullets now I didn't know how to get the bullet and see if there's a bullet inside the chamber or not so I I was doing this trying to get it out all right now what your telling me we've never left the bedroom so you're still in the bedroom jacking around with a gun so unless you unless you you've missed some steps here I'm still in the bedroom and so's the girl yeah that's what I'm saying I was trying to see if it'll pop back out all right where's she at while you're standing there in the bedroom like you're supposed to go backwards I was like I'm trying to make it go backwards and it won't go backwards she says that to you yes get the bullet out and it didn't want to go out all right so we walked to the bed to the back of the computer I sit behind her at that little wooden chair table looking thing whatever you want to call it around with it let's see if we can let's see if we can suggar out is it a table like this probably was lower okay now I sit down still filling fart with it and I got up and I went like this and I wasn't realizing where my hand was and it was on trigger and it went off and it got her let me ask you this why did you lie Schmidt hangs his head to avoid making eye contact which he has done multiple times throughout the interview let me just pick one thing why did you lie to the investigators about what about her touching the gun and fumbling with it and her finally handing it to you why did you lie why did you make me go through all that process of having it fingerprinted for me to have to walk in here and say you know what her prints ain't all over why did you lie and tell those investigators that she touched that gun when that dead girl has never put her fingers on that gun why did you lie about that I know sure you do why did you lie in an official investigation where someone you know is dead and you have drove their body if they're dead uhuh you're not going to do that to me not until you just said that the dead girls what until you kept on saying the dead girl and that's when I finally figured out that she was finally dead you think she's been alive all this time I don't know all I know is she wasn't moving or not and she's gurgling huh that come out of your own mouth what you said she was gurgling yeah she was and she didn't she was laying there not moving and not breathing what normally happens when somebody's gurgling and they quit breathing you know when you sh ask that Deputy what happens when you shoot a deer and it gurgles you know there ain't much life left in it you know enough about that to know sure you know she was dead point I'm trying to make here is why did you lie to the investigators and lead them to believe that that girl had put her hands on that weapon when she had not even touched it why did you lie about that and mislead them and make them go and do extra work and me extra work why has it took the last four hours to try and get the truth out of you when you could have sat here and told us the whole story and be done with it but yet every time I walk in with something I'm going to do a finger I'm going to do the gun residue you add something more to your story that is a lie why are you lying about this I don't want to go to why he see why did you lie and tell those investigators that that dead girl put her hands on that weapon why did you say that to them why did you lead them to believe that you know what if you're scared if you're really scared about what's going to happen to you you better start telling the truth you better start telling the whole truth because I've been let me finish because you know what when I finally do go home tonight my conscience is going to be clear that I gave you every opportunity me and this man right here sit here and gave you every opportunity to tell us the entire truth that girl is at the gbi crime lab I don't know what they're going to find I don't believe you've told us the whole truth I don't know if they're going to start cleaning her up and there's going to be a press contact wound right there that a weapon makes I don't know that in your mind though you know the truth you know what's eventually going to happen when just by the mere nature of it it can't be done at night it has to be done in the morning when when all the Pathologists and all the people with phds and all that when they come in to work at 9:00 in the morning and they start looking at this girl they're going to be able to tell us stuff that we just don't know tonight so what all I have to depend on is by the way you're acting and by the way you have misled these investigators you have told them lie after lie after lie and trust me when the District Attorney's office gets this they're going to be they're going to be concerned about all these lies why did he lie to y'all well he told us I don't know that's not going to cut it you need to tell me the truth you need to tell me the whole truth because when that body is cleaned up when that house that nobody's going back into tonight or tomorrow except for us till we get through sweeping it with a fine tooth comb and we found the 9mm casing the investigator has positioned himself to be in Schmidt's personal space to make him uncomfortable sometimes people will respond by blurting out the truth to get the other person to move away we're going to have to wind up coming back to see you because we're going to have evidence that proves what youve told us tonight if your final version of of what you say happened remains as it is God told the same guys who just he the same saying I know you did but it ain't the truth and when that body is cleaned up when that trajectory when they take a rod and they put it through the hole they're going to tell where you were at I can't do that here I don't have the math I don't have the the the dial rods and I don't have all that crowd when they start doing that if you watch CSI you know that alone is enough evidence and when the DA's office gets a hold of this I say well was he helpful did he did he fin say you know what okay dang here's what happened no no he he sat there and just lied to us Time After Time here's the specific lies he told well what did the scientific evidence prove what did the evidence prove that some man has went 10 years to college and paid $660,000 to get up on the stand and what he says is the God's honest truth and it could put you in jail what is his opinion well his opinion was it didn't happen like he said it did you through if you let us leave this room and we we're going to be the last two people you talk to if you let me and him leave this room with what you've told us right now you in for a long road you need to man up I can't change what's happened I can't wave a magic wand I can't make water go back under the bridge what's happened is happened you need to worry about what's going to happen to you two 3 four five six months down the road right now you're just focused on rydc YDC we can't even get out of this room we can't even get past this room to even try and worry about what might happen to you I've been doing this for 25 years okay he's been doing it just as long I can tell just by the way you're acting I can tell because You' said you have gave us so many lies you made me go look for a rag that's even non-existent you made me fingerprint a gun that don't even have dead girls prints on it when you do that you're trying to muddy the water you're keeping me from the truth because you're making me go around this way you need to tell me the truth about what happened I don't know what happened tomorrow morning about maybe 11: after they've done the autopsy and all that they're do everything rape kit you know Checker fingernails and they do all that standard autopsy stuff you know do all the you know put the lasers I said Dow rods that's old school that stuff like they did back in his time no they use lasers and stuff nowadays okay so with all that in mind knowing that if we leave here only you know if You' told me the truth only you know what that body's going to say when it's cleaned up my God this sounds like an episode of CSI don't it the dead body speaks if we have to come back to you because you forgot to tell us something or because you misled us because you made some investigator work more hours than he should have when he could told the truth they going to break it off in you it's going to be rough it's going to be rough when all you had to do was say you know what guys this is what happened you know since I am from the old school like you said if your only concern here is that you don't want to go to Rd R1 YDC you're afraid to go to rydc you're more afraid of going to rydc than you are getting the truth out about this young girl to me you're a coward if you're more cons you're more concerned about going out there then you are bringing some kind of Justice some kind of rest to this girl he was so your so-called friend you're more concerned of covering your butt to me you're nothing no more a who's going to wind up getting buried if you don't tell the truth so if youve ever going to be a man now is the time now it's time to step up Schmidt is tired and stressed and he is finding it difficult to keep up with the new lies he has to tell for each question I am telling you the truth now what's that mean see here we go here we go all right all right all right I take some Le I had enough you I've been at this for too long I promise you I promise you just as sure as I'm sitting here you're going to get it slammed on this because you're letting us leave this room knowing there's something in the back of your head going oh God I should have told them about that or oh I hope they don't find out about that who knows how we find out about stuff find about nothing because I never did anything with her you have been sitting in here what wait what did you just say nothing like that like what what's that explain it like you just saying like trying to do laser clean up find stuff underneath their nails anything like that all I'm saying is that the the way you said that she was shot if that's not true those lasers are going to prove it and you ain't it's like a fingerprint you ain't got a leg to stand on in court you're screwed that's where I think you're not telling me the truth how she got shot and you can either tell us now what really happened or we can just wait till tomorrow and again you can make all these people do all this extra work when like he said man up tell the truth let the de's office know that you know what it's horrible it's bad it happened but I'm trying to look at my future who do you think gets who who do you think is the worst person that goes to court somebody that lies and lies and then it's proven in court that they lie because they sit up and go I don't know I don't know why I told those investigators she touched a gun I don't know why I told them about that rag I don't know why I told them all that dude there the judge that's not going to work that's not going to work he he's going to slam you for that oh you don't know well let me give you some time to think about it sure you know you know why you've been lying all night is to cover something up and we haven't uncovered that if it was the truth you would have never told all these lies that makes sense why did you tell the investigators that she touched the gun why did you put that gun in her hands in her hands why did you make the investigators think that her fingerprints were going to be on the gun that shot her in the head and killed [Music] her so make it look like so make it look like she was involved in it but she was involved in it but she didn't touch it then why tell the investigator she touched it I have no clue why I said that even though I don't I shouldn't have said it but I don't know why I said it well after I come in and said there wasn't any fingerprints on the gun why did you make up the story about the rag H about the the kitchen rag yeah the rag that didn't exist before I proved that wasn't her that her prince wasn't on the gun yeah the rag you didn't tell them about till I come in and said her prince ain't on the gun that rag why' you make that lie up no I first before anything that's what I first said him told them that when I before I was messing around with it well not before I was still messing with it and I was playing around with it still trying to get that bullet out of it see if it was loaded or not so it didn't bud so I went in the the kitchen grabb a kitchen towel and I was doing it who'd you lay the gun down at on the K on that little table what was she doing she was still on Facebook okay why did you go get a a dishrag so I can see if I can like grip not grip I want to say grip but you didn't tell him that the first time there is no good explanation for Schmidt's lies and he knows that everything points to his guilt he is doing everything he can to avoid admitting it outright you didn't tell them that the first time but you know what I got the rag I got the rag right you believe me I don't know I can't say no or yes does a rag exist yes I have a rag it was on the stove you said you went to get the rag when you were fulling around with the gun you decided to get get the rag because of why then try to try to see if there help it loosen up if anything give it more grip okay see if it got stuck underneath it was the rag on the gun when it went off no I took it off because it didn't do it wasn't helping then I took it off and I went and put it in the dirty Camp the laundry basket and I was still messing with it still messing with it I thought you left it on top of the stove what the rag you I got done with it I went and took it and put in dirty hamper how did it get from the dirty clothes hamper back to the stove right you told the other investigators that at some point you put the dish rag you put the rag back on the kitchen stove that's where we found the rag on the kitchen stove are you now saying you put I said I found the kit the the rag on the kitchen stove yes I said that I never did say anything about putting it back on there okay so once you figured out it wouldn't help you do what you needed to do with the gun I took it and put dirty close past it that's all I did okay then you walk back in to where she was at the computer yeah I picked up the gun again I was still fooling around with it so I decided if it may need to be a little bit manh I went to go grab it and go pull it back as hard as I could and accident pull my hand on the trigger without knowing it went off where's the clothes basket at that you put the rag in the bathroom and here's the thing you got to understand then we're about done you can't put a you can't put a rag on a gun and not be some kind of crazy evidence yes sir all right we're going to take every rag that's in that clothes hamper which clothes hamper and where's it at in the bathroom and the back back bathroom in the back bathroom where we're going to take those rags and I can't do it tonight if we don't find some type of gun oil your skin because you can't touch anything but you watch CSI you know how that works well half of that stuff most of it is true if there's not a rag in that basket that's got some kind of residue from that gun where you were Jing and Jing on it that's another lie so you need to tell me right now if that if you want to take and waste my time looking for a rag that don't exist cuz I'm telling you and you know if you put your hands on that Rag and especially R around a firearm there's going to be some kind of residue you said you put it in a clothes hamper there's people there at the house now there'll be people there all night in tomorrow I'm going to call them and tell them to go to the clothes hamper get every piece of rag out of there everything you might have misinterpreted a t-shirt for a rag we're going to check every piece of cloth in that basket we a't gon't find nothing are all I know is white whatever I grabbed I grabbed it and I just jerked it back so there's a rag in that dirty clothes hamper that you use to do to do that gun with yes sir I ain't liying about that it it's white might not be a dish towel might not be a wash glove it's just white that's all I but it was on top of the kitchen stove that's where you got it yes sir so it might be a white T-shirt or something is that right yes sir I don't it may it may not all I did is grab it and I just put it on I was just jerking it backwards so you don't really know what it was all I did is grab it and I thought it may be a towel or a rag and all I did is grab it and I was jerking it back I ain't trying to say if it was it wasn't all I know a towel or dish wag white that's all and I just grabb I was just jerking it backwards why didn't you call 911 H why didn't you call 911 after she was shot in the head cuz there was no phone sure there are phones in the house there's two cordless and the cell phone in the house there was no cell phone dude there's two cordless phones in the house phone there's no no phone connections they cut it all you still dial 911 I didn't know that when I heard that they cut off phone it's all for good she don't have a cell phone no sir she don't have one that's only Amanda but Amanda was on top of the road already Schmidt would have already had an explanation ready for why he couldn't call for help as he knew that question would have come up even if his original story had been believed waiting for Chase to get off the bus did you see her grabbing the curtains huh don't hum me you heard me did you see her grabbing the curtains after you shot and I was just waiting seeing if she was all right and I was just shaking her seeing if she was all right and she like and just quit moving why' you drag her out of the house why didn't you run out of the room as fast as you can down the road Amanda Amanda oh my God oh my God Amanda why why didn't you do that because I didn't want to get in trouble with them and their relationship with me and my family I didn't want to ruin that you're so full of crap no it's not full of crap yes you are so what you've done is not is not reversible you've shot her that's not reversible you're not God and you can't make it and take it back how did you think dragging her into the woods was going to somehow cover up what you did oh that's right you made up the lie about the Intruder why'd you do all that so it don't look like the fingers Point At Me Now They it just counted back and it did it made me feel awful you shot her you should feel awful I don't I don't believe that I don't believe that for word I'm going to tell you what to so he's sitting here telling me that I would shot her on purpose no no cuz I didn't mean to it was you said it didn't it wasn't are you going to let me finish please I did not say you shot her on purpose I said you have not told us the entire truth about what happened whatever that truth may be I don't know but you've not told told us the entire truth about this whole story how far past the burn pile did you throw the gun you know where there's this where the truck where where the uh truck is sitting when I went out there the truck is parked right here yes L was down there truck's parked right here you got a path that goes up that way the path that goes down that way path that's beside the truck going down the hill or going straight out in front of it straight out all right so how far out don't sit here jerk me around dude you want draw a picture you want to draw a picture it's like can if you don't mind you don't have the chalk board in here that help it out well it didn't help when it was in here it's hotter than my love life in here that was the case ought to have icicles in here now we you ain't got to draw it to scale just tell me where it's at well you see where the truck is there's another Trail right behind the house where there's a line on this side but the other path is right here on the other side of the truck the right hand of the truck who is that Al okay so this is the house you facing the house like this all right you come up and that's where the girl parked back here with the truck right yes sir you got a path that goes up this way and a path that goes down the hill that way where's it at you talking about where there's like a little tree looking here dude don't jerk me around there's a thousand trees out there the truck is parked here see there's a path that goes up that way towards your house right yes sir there's a path that goes down the hill that way yes sir where is the gun way ditched off on that side how far down oh just throw it in there how far down were you when you threw it I just went barely in the in the middle of the so you went right here or were you down here or were you down here no I was right up here so how far down just right there where you're all right and so you did you R back and throw it like Tom glav or did you grab it and just toss it in slung it yeah like that Schmidt is comfortable telling them where he hit the gun since he doesn't believe it contradicts his earlier statements I'm about nothing yeah you've been lying for about 4 hours I'm not lying yes you are you've lied all night yes you are you li and the only thing the only thing you're concerned about is the possibility you having to go to rydc tonight you ain't even thinking about down you got a young dead girl out there that was supposedly your friend and the only thing that you're concerned about is going to rydc what kind of coward are you why don't you stand up and say you know this is what the hell happened you know you've been jerking people around for four hours and we're still catching you in lies I'm not lying though yes you are no right now no I'm not oh not right now and nor this last story I just said three and a half hours later you're supposedly miraculously done found the truth you going to expect me to believe that [Applause] crap why don't you lie to us for three and a half hours anyway why oh so it wouldn't make him look like he done all this I didn't want I didn't want their family to be mad at me so I drug out and threw in the woods you're going to regret the day you got tunnel vision you're thinking about only two and three hours ahead of time you are going to regret today that you let me and this man walk out of this room without telling us the truth whatever all the truth no you're not you're not telling us everything no you're not and I'll guarantee you my paycheck when that body is done an autopsy on it the way you said that she was shot will be proven wrong by the very people that you like to watch on TV and that's the people that are going to crucify you in court when you had the chance to sit here and tell me and this man what happened no I'm going to keep lying because I don't believe eventually when 11:00 comes tomorrow that they will beh have her and they will do an autopsy and they will have all that stuff you know good and well that shooting didn't happen the way you said it did because you've lied too much about it if it happened the way you said it did you would have cut right to it three hours ago you've [ __ ] us around and told us so many lies I wouldn't believe you if you sat here and told me you wearing a silver chain if it's the truth then why lie about it so much why lie this is what happened blah blah blah that's it I that's it ain't no more I can tell you three hours later we're still getting lies from you that's why I don't think you've told us everything you've not something happened in that house that only you the good Lord in heaven and that dead girl knows and Mr if you walk out of this room with that on your conscience trust me you worried about and about what's going to happen to you tonight trust me in about 3 or four weeks you're going to wish to God you had finally broke down finally manned up and said you know what damn here it is by God this is what happened it whatever it was it happened I don't know you've told us lies for a reason let read you like a book told us lies for a reason to throw us off of the truth you tell a lie to cover up the truth 107 you're going to regret the day that you let us leave this room with these issues not cleared up trust me just going to come back to bite you your disgusted and tired of his lies the investigators bring the interrogation to a close Aaron Schmidt was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole several years later he appealed his sentence but it was upheld hopefully you enjoyed the video if you did there is a patreon link in the description where you can support the channel further thank you for watching I'll see you in the next one [Music]