this is officer Jared Robinette Robinette responded to a call on March 18th 2018 of a man going down a street and breaking into cars when Robinette and officer Terren mettle arrived on the scene they were directed by a witness to follow a man who was jumping over fences to get away [Laughter] all right um few formalities I'm detective Griggs G ggs you are Jared robinet am I robinet I'm sorry it's r o b i n t and I forgot your name sir I'm sorry Ace Tate Council for the officer okay umag Law Firm yes okay um just give you an idea kind of how I want to do things U there's some technical stuff I want to ask you about your career your shf you know stuff like that ahead of time um then we'll talk about the day your shift today um and then um I'll probably just open up to you just like You' write your observations kind of tell me what happened and I might have some questions U and we'll kind of go through it like that okay okay um if you have any questions feel free okay um how long you been with sack PD I've been with sack PD for a little over four years four years are you lateral did you go through our academy uh I went through the academy but I came from a federal law enforcement agency oh okay where who's that the border patrol okay how long are you with the border patrol 5 years okay um our Academy do you remember which number it was with uh 14 V1 14 br1 and for border patrol uh is there an academy or is there yeah there's an academy which one was that do you remember um it's through fletzy the federal law enforcement training center okay and class number 910 910 um and that was was about you were with them for about 5 years M what what did you do for the porder of Patrol I was a patrol agent okay I I guess I just don't know anything about the porder patrol yeah um you want me to go in the primary duties or just typical law enforcement On the Border it's typical law enforcement duties as far as the border control is concerned okay got the border control is not typical um and most of it was mountainous train where we answered sensors and tracked groups of individuals drugs Bandits okay I guess one you know is were your sworn law enforcement sworn federal law enforcement carry a gun yes okay um and then as far as with Zack PD you specialized training are you you know range Master SWAT team something like that no nothing like that field training officer okay um what what you what's your normal assignment um second five regular swings control okay uh who's your sergeant the sergeant Bullard okay um so this was a regular work day for you yes what are your days off Monday Tuesday Wednesday Monday Tuesday Wednesday uh swing shift does that start at 2:30 now yeah 1430 okay um yesterday I can't remember what day is it's Sunday it's Monday now did you work normal shift the day before Saturday night Saturday yes over time uh no no over time do like a double shift or that just Sunday was normal shift for you okay uh what was your identifier what Charles 54 and that means you're solo car right solo officer um and you're dressed just like you're dressed now yes I could you stand up for me and kind of just show me uh so regular Duty uniform and um Regular D uniform let's just go around your belt as far as Force options what do you have on your belt um I have a couple knives okay that's just the in case baton for lessen lethal same with the taser okay um the pistol you know Duty weapon and as far as use Force options oh OC right here okay I forget about that re um thank you um okay for your shift today anything unusual happened before uh obviously the call we're going to talk about but any crazy calls um no the the majority of today I was uh Hospital watch on prisoner from day shift okay you remember what time or about when you stopped being Hospital lunch you yeah I'm trying to think it wasn't I know I I transported him to jail and it was starting to get dark okay cool um all right the call on 29 Street do you remember how it came in it came in well initially dispatched call the 197 suspicious subject or circumstances and quickly changed it to 921 the car clout okay uh they stated that an individual was breaking windows and vehicles along 29th Street okay let's compare the 911 call to robinette's statement starting date Sunday March 18th 18 21 hours 10 minutes 14 seconds 911 what's location in the emergency 29th Street 29th Street thank you he what's going on there yeah guys going down the street breaking Windows of cars bu both my truck windows out bu in the people's backyard right now across the street from my place see my BR of cars went out across the street from me okay in in people's backyard right now do you know which yard he's in what the address is oh I can't see the address on the house the lights are off lights in the house are on what the house in backyard he's in is the backyard he's in yep in 29th Street yes ma'am [Applause] okay what did he use to break the windows I have no idea I came out and I I heard the noise I came outside and he was standing right along side of my truck and I grabbed my ball bat I was going you know I mean but I didn't hit him or nothing like that he's in a back right here right now he's still back he's trying to get over the fence he can't go anywhere else his dogs are all the way around him right now [Applause] okay what is he black white fan occas he had a hoodie on I couldn't tell man what color hoodie it's black he's black hoodie and it looks like some kind of pants on but they have had they have like white PS or white dots on or something you know I mean okay not blue jeans or anything like that they're like I don't know you got different colors on them okay hang tight with me for one second here I'm just getting a not a problem thr back here do there I can hear him looking over the fence hear him jiggling the fence trying get looking trying to get over it I think and this is the corner of 29th and Twilight right pretty close yes close it's close a few houses down from that yes okay and what's your name sir my name is yes maam okay do you mind staying on the phone with me until we get officers there so that I can you can let me know if you see him move okay that's fine that's fine and he's still in the backyard from what you can tell right I can hear him back I can hear him back there I think I hear him back there there's something back there dog's still barking back there in the backyard okay and you saw him jump back there yes okay I chased him down there got it okay he's still back there okay good we have officers on the way right now so we see where they're at F we have the helicopter coming out too see if they can see him okay you got two my truck Windows both my truck windows and and the car cross the seats window okay dog quiet over there hope he's still back there no still you hear him in the Flor I'm sure yeah still Bing back there so I think he's still there okay could you tell me about how tall he was what kind of body style he had probably about six foot tall maybe 63 Maybe most you know and he thin he thin build a black hoodie any pattern or stripes or anything on the hoodie I I didn't see anything on the hoodie but the pants have like design on it some sort you know what I mean they're not pants like jeans or like maybe Cy pants typ things I guess I don't know what kind of design like stripes or polka dots or do you remember yes just some kind of design no I didn't I didn't see too too too well CU it kind of piss me was more angry anything else and I didn't notice what pattern it was but white dot or white something like that on yeah I'm sure once your adrenaline kicks in like that it's hard to yeah yeah no problem must all be on the other side Town huh all the officers yeah we're actually pulling someone from another District to come to come down it's been a busy busy weekend with St Patrick's Day and everything it's the nuts yeah that's right that's why we're getting the the helicopter out there they can get there a lot faster and they can kind of keep an eye out and if they see him then they can watch him you know until the officers get there right yeah we don't need nobody ring around here breaking window D cars again no I agree I'm glad you thought it most of the times it's once by the time you get out there they're already gone yeah yeah I got a whole my whole truck I got truck full of tools I mean I'm mechanic so I me all my tools are my truck I me I heard that out there and he's like to be if I would got a hold of him does he have did he grab any any of the tools or anything that you know of no he he just it was weird it was weird was he was just standing next to the truck right there by my door and I walked out and said excuse me who are you what are you doing you know and then and then I realized oh I looked through I saw my window was was busted out and that's you know that's when I went after we took off oh gotcha okay I know we have two um ground units coming too that are on Meadow View right now so they're okay about a block and a half away yep that dogs are going crazy in the backyard so's he's still there [Applause] good I don't know who owns a car across the street from me I have to wait till police get here first officers get here I'll go knock on door and find out whose car that [Applause] is I don't need no more broken rers in my trip no definitely especially if you have all your work Tools in there all my work Tools in there Y is this one of them it's not one them they are see close yeah they're at uh they're about to turn onto Meadow or they're about to turn on to 29th from Meadow View like right about now I see helicopter good okay and then the two ground units are almost there you want to wave them down yep I'm fing them down perfect okay thank you yeah no problem all right byebye Sunday March 18th 2018 21 hours 18 minutes 37 seconds and here is the call that was sent out by Dispatch starting date Sunday March 18th 2018 21 hours 13 minutes 5 Seconds we do have a break into a vehicle called 29th Street apparently he broke some car windows he's now hiding in that backyard I just cross District to Charles 45 Sergeant to copy that or guy that did it got found and uh the complainant is the victim he saw the subject break into the windows and then hide in this backyard and two Charles 45 the complainant chased the subject into this backyard unknown weapons no further description with other than mail with a black hoodie Charles 54 copy your message to Charles 45 you can code four and units on the 921 the subject is a male six foot thin build black cie dark pants the midle street 29th Street andu up yard check clear for looks like two large dogs in that backyard don't start C searching towards the [Applause] West guy jump we are unaware you left you want to check kind of West Northwest [Music] area there's two very large dogs in the back not any any other heat sources uh and then I do have kind of a suspicious vehicle park there a large field that backs up to that's to the West I have a vehicle at the Far West End uh near Coral Gable's Court it's just sitting there and it's hot occupied unn if it's even related at all but uh somebody in driver seat engine to and it's just to the Far West End of that field clear shot if this guy to run that way can [Applause] you I got a clear shot most the yard but there is a uh shed that's in that far Southeast corner or southwest corner I'm unable to clear that with the uh if those doors are closed copy [Applause] [Applause] and star [Music] to5 sorry theg my car I do uh two yards to the south of you though I got a guy in a backyard I was looking into uh the window he's picking up a looks like a tool or some sort of thing might be trying to break the window right now stand by uh two yards south of you okaying the window just broke the window running South running to the South 45 I'm going set you back on that running South he just broke the window I believe on the [Music] house but he's one house to the South that now going to run okay he's running towards the front yard [Music] got a hoodie on he's running toward the front yard at 29th Street 29th Street he's looking into another car that's uh in between the fence and the front [Music] yard SC looks like might be getting one at gunpoint copy one at gunpoint need get a perimeter on this guy's running South he's going to hit this field uh he's at one one further house one yard to the [Music] South trying to catch him shot shot fir copy shots [Music] fired 70 down no movement we're going to need additional units come in from the uh west to east of this yard Street and's get copy Fire Starting [Music] is fire quod enter [Music] we need got several people coming out all the houses here so we're going to need sever units we're coming in you keep going to the South two keep going to the South keep going south keep going keep going two more houses right where my lights at right there they're in that backyard go to the north side there you go north I want everybody to know we fine no officers hit down in the backyard control and copies to get everybody back inside their home going to be right at the T intersection of Allenwood sorry lwood and 29th Street and we copy officers are okay can't see the subject hands he's still not moved 3 head this way use a body bunker before we detain okay that first incoming unit go to the gang unit car it's the unmarked car park it's parked directly in front of the house next unit I need you to check on those occupants two houses to the north check on the I believe will be cheing end date Sunday March 18th 2018 21 hours 31 minutes 1 seconds um they said the complainant of the caller follow the subject at the 29th Street where he saw him going to the backyard okay uh were you dispatched to that or did you jump it down your own uh initially I was on a shot spotter call at the time when it first came out we were wrapping that up and just clearing it um they cross sector they brought in two Charles 45 from sector 4 to go to that um to go to the shot SP call no to go to the the car club okay got um both uh mercadel and I were on that shot spotter okay and we cleared that call in order to go to the car Cloud so the sector 40 units didn't have to come in did they cancel or did they continue they canceled okay they were for by Dispatch okay um all right k your own words um as far as you just told me about the dispatch but um you know just like you'd write your observations uh from start to finish for the call um kind of take me through what happened um do you want me to I can get into detail about like the observations and the the call and what the complaint it told are yeah what do you remember what the complaint it said uh initially what I told you about the dispatch was about somebody breaking the cars and he followed the the person um it provided a description of a skinny tall I think it's said somewhere around 61 6t male black wearing black clothing with what you thought was like a design on the pants um that was pretty much the information we had they provided the address of 26 or 29th Street sorry um as the location of the call where the complaint solve the individual going to the backyard um both uh mercadel and I drove there from Sun Valley Circle in 5B okay um we left at the same time arrived nearly at the same time on uh 29th Street I arrived pretty much first I saw a male white who I assumed was a complainant playing to the house is um I got out talked to him real quick that's when I activated my body camera he he stated that he had seen the individual jump the fence on the north side of the house like a the East fence line like what's in the the back of the front yard that's making any sense I the draw draw this uh but that that short little small fence between the property line and what basically divides the backyard from the front yard M um so that one on the north side of is he there pointing this out to you yeah he's there pointing it out to me he tells me that the dogs were going crazy that they're barking a lot and that in the last minute or so he didn't hear him barking anymore okay to get a better idea of the location here are some clips of security footage taken from the neighborhood um my concern was that individual was still being in the backyard what he was doing back there after breaking out the windows here what was his what was he going to do next if there were people home at that address I went I knocked on the the window by the front door it was answered by woman that lived there soon live there kind of gave her a brief synopsis of what was going on asked if we could have permission to check her backyard she stated she needed to put her dogs away um and but allowed us to go back after waiting at the front door for a few felt like a few minutes um she came around from the Southside I guess uh garage door not the main door but the side door M and uh told us that they G was open for that Southside entrance to the backyard okay uh both merel and I went in there cleared that backyard and uh didn't find the subject um at this time when we pretty much at the same time we arrived or slightly before the SSD Star helicopter was on scene okay and was giving us updates about you know check in that backyard not seeing anything I advised him that the comp told me that he ran westbound over that fence okay um and advised s to maybe check kind of north northwest from there m and uh he acknowledged it or the pilot acknowledged it and stated that there was a vehicle kind of over by coral Coral Gables like not I believe it's a church Park lot that backs up to the houses on behind yeah that backs up to the houses along the west side of 29th said that there was a car back there there was somebody in the driver's seat they were using Fleer cameras so they only saw the heat no description um and we B we check that after we checked the backyard so back to the backyard backyard was clear um both uh and I came out from the backyard gave an upd update to dispatch that that yard was clear and asked the star if uh he still had eyes on that vehicle that was supposed to be in that that parking lot um walking out to my car because I was expecting to drive over there star gave an update saying that he had an in individual in the backyard of the house approximately two houses south of our location mhm um I don't recall him giving an address at that time excuse me sorry um I don't recall him giving the address at that time but he said that it looked like the individual was attempting to break into that house and that he had a crowbar in his hand okay stefhon Clark was staying with his grandparents as many of his family members often did for extended periods of time Clark had only been out of jail for a month and had a history of convictions for robbery domestic abuse and prostitution related offense while there was no reason for him to be in his neighbor's yard it was routine for him to hop The Back Fence onto his grandparents property to knock on their bedroom window so they would unlock the garage door the family used this system because their grandparents feared leaving the door unlocked during the night right now now on my patreon you can watch the most jaw-dropping encounter ever captured this intense footage showcases an intense incident involving a man who wielding a leather Katana aggressively charged towards the police what unfolded within that crucial moment is way to intense and explicit for YouTube head over to patreon.com stranger stories plus to access this gripping video and a ton of other patreon exclusive content and was trying to break a window we started both teren and I moved down move walk south and then he updated saying that the individual had broken the glass and was trying to break into the house okay um we ran down a couple houses um at that time start gave out the address uh something like that I don't remember exactly um um and I got a little confused actually and I went a little bit further south thinking that the numbers were getting higher as the street went North but kind of find out they were going higher as numbers went South gotta um merel stayed a little bit north of where I was um star gave the update about the breaking on the glass with the crowbar and uh gave the address and then stated that that individual is now running south over the over the fence into the next yard M which would have been the address um later found that out um terance was close to that one um I was further south star gave an update saying that the imig was now coming out towards 29th Street and somewhere in that time frame is when uh I heard Terrence yelling at the suspect hey show me your hands stop stop are you where are you at this point are you on 29th Street or you yeah we're both still on 29th Street I'm on the west side par west side Sidewalk so is Terren I'm about a house and a half further south than him okay expecting an individual to maybe come running up that way towards you towards me towards the street or South um as soon as I heard Terren yelling at the suspect I ran back north towards Terren and followed him into the backyard okay as uh as we hit the corner the northwest corner of the of the house in the backyard I observed the suspect standing approximately what I thought was around 15 to 20 ft away um in the I saw s leas position with his hands punched out in front of him holding an object um I got it that I forgot to mention that when clearing the backyard my tack light stopped working and I was using my flashlight okay so due to the due to the subject breaking breaking the glass thinking maybe he was trying to break in the house what completely unknown what he had in his hands when when teren followed him into the backyard I had not seen the subject up until that point where we hit that corner okay as soon as I turned the corner I saw him punched out like that when you say punched out like that punched out like that I I saw s's hands both hands on an object like this Clark was holding a cell phone at the time of his death later they found out it wasn't even his and belonged to his girlfriend there were metal bars in the yard and he might have been carrying one before dropping it when Robinette and motle confronted him but it was too dark to determine whether or not that was the case okay when you say ioses we you know that from training range training firearms training bu the S stance with because it's a triangle your arms form a triangle your feet are positioned usually about shoulder length apart okay that's a common firing position for uh you know we were taught in firearm drains taught that the board Patrol taught that here okay um I recognize that as a position somebody shoots from okay [Music] that I could see that there was something in the suspect's hands I wasn't able to make it out I saw something reflection of what I thought was a metal object um in his hand from the reflection of our our lights to the backyard was really dark it was hard to see make out anything clear all I saw was a subject in dark clothing standing in that position with his hands punched out with something in his hands um Rodell yel gun out of instinct I ducked behind the corner real quick and covered came back around and to get an idea what's going on um saw the suspect still standing in that position still punched out at us I honestly was really surprised that I hadn't heard gunshots yet and to protect myself and and Terren I fired what I thought was five rounds on scene and later thought was maybe more okay um and that time uh teren started firing as well okay when did you stop firing as a suspect though to the ground okay um why I didn't feel like there was a threat anymore okay um that registered in your Clark's family wanted an independent autopsy done when they weren't satisfied with the coroner's verdict unfortunately the doctor they chose mistook Exit Wounds for entry wounds which muddied the waters and increased the anger of the general public there was another autopsy which was independently confirmed by three other Pathologists they agreed that Clark had been shot once in the front of the left thigh three times directly to the side and three times in the right side of the back and corroborated the officer's story that the police shot Clark when he was approaching them yeah the suspect was down and there was no threat anymore okay um when you came around the corner and and when you say you saw him punch down like that how did you feel how did that make you feel I was scared like I was saying I was scared he was going to shoot us I really felt like that was a gun his position like I said was something I recognize as a firing position from all the training all firearms training that I've been through in the last night and when you said uh you were surprised you didn't hear gunshots yet what did you mean I was surprised that he hadn't started firing at us so not that cuz he he had as we hit that corner I know Terren was a little bit in front of me and I know he actually came out past the corner okay um he completely had the drop on us meaning that he would have started could have started shooting and would have easily hit Terrence 57 shots fir some Down Show Me Your Hands I see your hands 57 he's down no movement we're going to need additional units come in from the uh west to east of this yard let's see your hand you all right you hit yeah I'm good all right he still pointing oh when I saw again you all right dude yeah I'm all right I don't think I'm hit or anything all right I got him a gun Point dude you want to what you do a tactical reload okay all right copy I think I shot about five times stand by stand by on that he's still down he's not moving we can't see the gun you good yeah I'm good all right I'm going to reload all right go I got you go you got a light on them got him negative neither one of us are hit we're okay suspect's down good y all right okay um so just so I get it right you Terence was further into the yard than you he was in front of me when we hit that car okay are you are you on the inside or the outside of Terren as far as the corner the corner right here I'm on the inside and he was to my right okay and this is a a left turn into the yard a left turn into the yard yes okay um so you're closer to the house than ter yes okay um had you seen the suspect prior to making that corner no okay no that was the first time I saw her okay let's talk about after um the shooting what happened then uh both teren and I gave commands terance updated it over there the shots were fired um I know star was on the radio I don't remember what he was saying um but we sat there we couldn't see I couldn't see the suspect's hands at all Terence said he couldn't see the left hand um but I couldn't see either hand at that point okay Terrence was down on one knee kind of like below me taking cover behind the same corner and I was above him MH um we were issuing commands shows his hands shows his hands um and that's when uh Taylor and trelio showed up okay we uh oh excuse me I'm digress a little bit um as we were issuing commands I had teren do a tactical reload and then when he had his completed and was back on target with the suspect I completed I went behind cover and completed one myself okay um and trulio and Taylor showed up okay um do you remember asking for a body bunker yes why did you ask for a body bunker because it's a suspect had a gun and was not injured or still alive at that point I didn't want to approach to detain him in fear that he might still be able to get rounds off on okay um at some point did you guys approach were you part of that yeah when when Sergeant Morris showed up it was uh Mer Taylor and trilio Morris and I uh we Sergeant Morris said we got to go at that point and we approached by that time the suspect hadn't moved at all and wasn't responding to any of our commands any pleas to say something to us or anything like that okay so we made a decision to approach get detain him and start SE okay um did you ever have any opportunity to provide any after Force care to him once Clark was down officers shouted to him to ask if he was all right and to let them know if he had dropped his weapon they could not approach until they could be sure he was unarmed for 5 minutes Clark lay on the ground until officers attempted to give him Medical Aid no I didn't uh I was called away from that scene by Sergeant Morris okay as far as you know somebody else was doing that yes okay okay um when you say call away what do you mean he summoned us to come away you okay yeah us as in merel and and me Sergeant Mor did okay gotcha um let's back up a just a little bit um when you guys got there you mentioned that uh there was broken glass and stuff we didn't talk about what that was or what you saw um when you got there what did you see when I got there and met with the complainant he did Point down that the suspect had uh broken the glass out of his truck Point South a couple houses I'm not sure how many houses of what his address actually was um but he pointed down towards a couple cars on the street I can see he broken glass from the side windows on the ground or what I assumed was from the side windows on the ground okay and then I observed another vehicle I think in front of or around there with there was like a rot Iron Gate section of it like a I don't know probably about 4T wide but however tall it was laying on the sidewalk did sorry there was broken glass out of the car that was parked next to that section of fence all over the ground right there so how many cars they broken glass um I'd say that one for certain I don't know exactly how many okay were broken from uh the original complainant's House the guy you talked to in the street did he say it was one of his cars or did he yeah he said it was his cars the window was broken out of by the person who adjust shum the fence yeah okay um okay when you were clearing the first backyard you said your attack light went out yeah um is that attached to your gun it is okay and so you have a flashlight that you keep yes um was it out completely out like I have one that turns off and on off and on so the flashlight your tackl was it completely out I tried to work the action a few times to get it though work but it was not working well so it never came back on it never came back on um are you you're right-handed right yeah so when you said you use your flashlight was your flashlight with your left hand it was okay do you know if um Terrence has a tack light or a flashlight I believe he has tack light but I don't know for sure um I know he did have a light out subject the backyard and and that house how was the lighting it was non-existent except for my flashlight and terrence's light so what what what could you see what area I could see what our light was on which at that point was uh pretty much the suspect um I saw mostly his midsection like I'd say from his mid stomach down to like his knees okay um can you see anything that's not within your flashlight no it was really it was it was really dark I couldn't see um I could I could tell that there was like a structure around him I couldn't tell exactly what it was okay um did you hear anybody in the house at all no okay um you remember if there were any cars in the driveway there was an older car that I like I thought it was like a Chevy that put that on a radio it was like a landmark for other units coming in to recognize it's the house and then there was a SUV like further in the driveway okay that we did that house looked like somebody lived there or it look like abandoned or could you tell I couldn't tell okay um do you remember the suspect saying anything at all he didn't say a single thing okay um did you give any commands no okay the commands that you remember hearing Terence give what do you remember him saying I remember him saying the shows his hands uh other than that I don't remember what he said Okay show again um you said you and Terence came from the other call were you guys following each other pretty much the whole way yeah he was following me did you um have any conversation during that time or was it just no one call to the next just get to the next call okay um did you guys have any opportunity to talk to each other about the call or what the plan was or anything like that no we kind of worked it out as we went along okay um it was like check this backyard and then I know we talked about like as we were getting updated about the car back but like hey we'll check this yard we'll clear it make sure everything's okay and then we'll go to the next to the to the backyard to that car and check that out and you're kind of working off of stars updates basically exactly okay um you ever remember seeing the guy before the suspect before I no idea who he is okay um how about the complaintant there in the street or that particular Street have you been there before I've been to calls on 29th Street before I don't recognize to complain it from this call okay specifically those couple of houses that you can remember ever being I can't remember okay cool um there's always something I forget to ask you so I'm sure we'll have to come back but uh do you have any questions I no okay um we'll take a break uh I'll take you guys back out to the room you're just waiting in uh and I'm sure as soon as I do that I'll remember what I was supposed to ask you so let's take a break grab a drink of water not okay let me excuse me okay ready go okay just a few followup things I know some of them we touched on um try to get a little more into it um do you and Terence ride together as partners over no um as have you guys been on teams before together Terrence rode with me one day when he was in training okay um just was like a substitute okay field training officer okay he's on your team though are you guys on the same team he's on the same team as me now is that since beginning of the year yes okay so two and whenever that was yeah um but as far as partners he wrote with you one day in training and then yeah a couple years like when he was I think he may have been fa wanted to okay okay um all right um are you injured at all no okay um do you wear ear piece in your ear I do okay it's not I don't see it now is it no I took I did take that off okay it's attached to my vest while the police department acknowledged that muting the mics did not reflect well on the officers they had previously been advised by attorneys to do so to prevent recording any comments that could be used in administrative or criminal proceedings took off as well okay I noticed on the body camera I couldn't hear the dispatch at all but you guys seem to so I was curious anyway um let's talk about your mindset a little bit um when you came around the corner and I think you correct me if I'm wrong but you described kind of coming around the first time and then like taking a double take is that right yes and both times you saw the suspect in the isoceles as you describ could you tell if um he was in the same position or had he moved he appeared to be in the same position okay um and right in that moment and not considering what you know after the fact um what you remember thinking in your head right at that moment yeah when you came around the corner you saw him to be frank it was oh and that's also when you know I was really surprised that he hadn't started shooting on us um what were you concerned about I was concerned about getting shot and concerned about teren getting shot oh and where was Terrence Terrence at that point was to my right a little bit behind okay um behind the house or was he kind exposed like he was he was more exposed than I was okay um he was further into the backyard like he had not really necessarily stopped at the corner when where I stopped to get a view of the what was going on so he he exposed himself into the backyard where I stopped to uh take a little bit of cover at the corner of the house um you said you were surprised that you weren't taking rounds taking rounds um and is that when you decided to fire I it was it was instantaneous okay it was a situation it was just it was so quick I hit the corner I knew Terren had traveled further into the backyard than I did and was exposed Terren yeled gun I tucked in real quick came back out saw him in the same position and still being surprised that I wasn't taking rounds this whole time decided to Fire and in in the threat before we actually started taking rounds okay and we're talking about an instantaneous situation okay um um there's the way I perceived in that moment do you feel like you had any other choice no okay um did you feel like there was a deadly threat to you and Teran yes um okay could you see anything behind the suspect how was your background I could see I should say couldn't really see it it was dark but you could tell that there was a fence is that is that understandable are you familiar with that area at all do you know what the background is um in that particular backyard right well what's beyond where the suspect was um no um okay afterwards uh after the shooting when you guys approached you remember seeing a cell phone on the ground yes do you know whose cell phone that is no okay you remember what color it was it was uh white with a black case I believe okay okay I think I'm done do you have any questions no do you have any questions no okay all right see down hopefully that's for good and I'll double check and okay yeah I think we're we're good okay you okay is there anything more there were several other officers on scene and they were called in to give their account of events first is Officer Craig [Music] Hills cases take us all over the state but do you guys have a does doj have a parking garage I run a tape record too gentlemen okay go ahead and turn it on and the time right now is 1543 all right and I'm Todd Co this is teren yeah we we back okay yeah Terren BR California Department Justice all right I'll give you my card if you have any questions uh and C could just get your name for the record yeah Craig c r a i g hills h i l LS Mi Michael boy BD with the uh sa police officer Association all right perfect uh thank you guys for coming down here um we just have a few questions uh we all just watched the video um so that's more or less what we're going to be talking about um Craig I just want to ask you a little bit of background um as far as uh on uh March 18th were you working as a police officer in okay and uh what were you doing that day so I was uh sign Patrol I work uh sector 4 uh graveyard uh we were in the middle of briefing at the time the events and stuff so um basically we wrapped up Patrol or wrapped up briefing real quick and headed down to okay um and were you wearing a full uniform yes I was driving a mark police car yes I was okay how long have you been a police officer um I'll be coming up on three years um this June okay all three years with Sacramento yes uh actually I did a little bit in El Gro and training but I didn't pass training down there so okay and when was that what year was that uh 2015 2015 then uh when did you get hired on what fa uh oh sorry okay so 2012 was El Gro okay maybe 2013 and then 2015 I started the academy with uh Sacramento with sa okay do you have any prior military EXP yes I was in the nav for six years na for six years okay um how did the call come out um so I don't remember how the hul call came out we didn't have our radios on um we we did at some point when we started hearing the helicopter was overhead um and honestly um we were listening a little bit we knew um that there was something going on we heard the Beeper um and then obviously the helicopter at some point put out shots back and that's when basically we all wrapped up briefing and started rolling out okay were you riding by yourself that night yes okay um what were you thinking what were the thoughts that going through your head as you were responding to that call um just initially was the concerns for the officers that are down there and what what's going on um because we knew um just real briefly that um what the helicopter was putting out um and I remember before I started rolling down there that officer Robinette put out that uh all officers were okay um so that helped slow things down a little bit but um we just knew I knew that there was an ois going on and that o you mean offering ball shooting and they were going to need lots of bodies so um that's where I was heading okay um how do you know officer Robin that so um I've been working in the South area pretty much um as soon as I went solo and I was assigned to robinette's team um so I've pretty much been working Patrol with Robinette and once you we go solo that you're out of training and you're you know yeah still on probation but uh finished my training so ever since that time you've been working in South Sacramento are you on probation still no I'm I'm on probation and by probation we mean a probationary uh officer yes with the Department um so you you known Robinette um just from working around him um have you guys ever worked on the same team together yeah we were assigned um Team 29 I believe it is sector five swings um for the last two years we worked together um prior this year and then this year you wore graveyards yes okay um so did you recognize his voice as he was putting in out or yes okay I recognized his voice and I knew his identifier you know just from earlier in the year um just picked it up being in the south okay um so now I'm going to get into the video um you come on scene and it shows you walking up now the video has about 30 seconds where uh you don't hear any anything is uh is that typical in these AUD warn camera videos there is a 30 second delay um and for that instance um normally that would have been activated in the car I just know um part of the thing was we were in a rush to get out the door um obviously to get down there and help help I probably didn't turn on my body cam when I left the station so as soon as I got out the car I realized I didn't have it on turned it on and got so you manually turned your body camera on not not the car from going Cod okay so your camera is it fair to say was in the off position as you drove down there you realized oh I haven't even turned it on yet turned it on and do you have to do something else to activate it or just turn it on yeah you have to I believe double tap it so you double tap it and then that's when it starts rolling okay um now in that 30 seconds of audio it shows uh you're walking up and there's a an older male white talking to an officer do you remember anything so yeah I remember that just we had so there's a lot out the tape kind of everywhere lines of tape different perimeters when you say tape like the crime scene tape yes okay and so I I had stopped before the first layer of crime scene tape so um but as soon as I got in I noticed this gentleman was there and um so I started talking to him I said hey what what are you doing here um cuz he's you know in one line of crime scene tape and he's like oh I was just curious what's going on so I started walking down the sidewalk I was like you can't be here I mean do you know what happened here he's like no that's why I just wanted to see what was going on and I said no you can't be down here you need to go on the other side of the tape and so that that was that that was your interaction right there in that brief 30 seconds okay uh let's get to you walk up you see AAR Robinette and you say something to the effect uh how are you doing and he says I'm good is that yeah and that was it I mean we kind of it's well I knew what had happened something had happened did you know that AAR Robinette was involved at that point in time um I didn't I had the suspicion that he was because he was on the call he was the one that put out all officers are okay so um I had a a feeling that he was involved and I knew we couldn't really talk about it so I'm just trying to get the feeling for how he's doing okay so um and then at one point he turned your body camera off um what do you guys talk about after that body camera gets um um just the stress and you know um whatever he's feeling at the moment um it's just um like I remember he kind of said some stuff um about you know um he's kind of getting stuff off his chest cuz he just went through the event but he he said you know I swore it was a gun and he took he took that stance so I remember him saying that um and then like I I didn't have him talk anymore I don't remember anything he said after that really it was more just I could tell from dealing with him in the past you know that it it was affecting him and you know um kind of was emotional about it um but that's all I can remember do you remember about how long the conversation lasted I don't um I remember I was if I recall um CU I I met with him twice that night and I believe that one I think other officers were around and we were kind of joking with him and stuff like that I remember later on that may have been later on cuz I think that first one was really quick I don't remember so I I'll just tell you based on the videos we just watched um your body camera turns off at 21394 and then turns back on at 2141 33 2 minutes and 30 seconds later and you're that's when you see you're walking with uh uh I believe it's Officer Taylor someone else robinet was not shown on on your body camera you were kind of walking towards another so so that was it like I just checked in with Robinette real quick so you know how he was doing and then I wanted to get useful as I could because you know I know they need lots of body so I started walking down at some point I was I think I was talking to Taylor about um hey what what do we need what's going on um do we have canvas going on that kind of stuff so okay so as well that kind of leads me into my next question um after you uh talk to Robin n for we'll say that 2 minute and 30 something seconds window about that um then you walk off and uh your body camera reactivates do you remember if you turned it on what how did that work uh I would have to have turned it on because he he slid it off so I would have to slide it on and double tap double tap it okay and then uh it appears like you have that same 30 second or so uh um uh previous where it's m it's muted um and then uh it goes live and then you immediately me immediately mute the camera after that right um what what were you doing after that I guess so most of it was really um just trying to figure out what I could do to help people um so I was checking with different people um um finding out where they needed bodies what I can help out with and I at some point I know um I talked to Sergeant Belle cuz she was kind of coming off or she was dealing with a lot of the stuff um so she took down my my uh identifier because she knew I was working Graves um and she said something about going up to the the far end where I had originally parked um to see if they need anything up there um I started going there at some point she came over the radio and said hey can you be SE recorder up there um and so I started getting paperwork and stuff like that together um for that and um after maybe just a minute I was still getting the paper ready to go and she came back over the air and said hey we don't need you up there I didn't realize we have it down here um so we don't need you so then I walked back down um again started talking with Robinette again um and that was just um we were just trying to talk with him and have a conversation um nothing in particular just did he tell you any specific details of the shooting while you were speaking to him [Music] um there was just that that thing that I said about him um saying you know I thought it was a gun and he took that stance at me but than that I don't recall anything about cuz I I think I even had to asked like um which house is the scene at um because they at some point Sergeant bell comes down and she says hey I need a body and I offer up and I end up getting placed in the backyard um and that's of the uh where the incident happened where the incident happened so I was there for most of the evening what time was that um it was fairly soon I want say within half an hour of me arriving on scene uh I was in the backyard and I stayed there all the time and was it just you in the backyard um no um initially there was also Phillips back there as well um but he was swings um at some point he got pulled aside um and I was back there um it switched a couple times but I was back there and I think um I'm having a hard time remembering his name he's another guy there's another Auer back there with you sector five grav I remember you know was your body camera on while you were back there no no uh we got told to turn off the body cams before we ENT the backyard okay so um is that uh I guess is is that a a standard procedure at that time was that a standard procedure to mute your body camera or turn it off um for what I was familiar with prior to um because I was on another homicide prior to and yeah we have when homicide's kind of taking over the scene and everything we turn off all our body cams so um and they handle everything so um I was told before Bing to turn it off and and so I just that seemed familiar to me so I had it off okay um yeah just to followup questions you you said the second contact that you had with officer Robinette you remember any part of that conversation uh I remember like a little bit like um because there was a few of us there I remember um talking about where people were at some point uh somebody says we're all here because we care about you and I shake my head know it rette just joking because we've worked together for a while um and that was it and um you remember Robin that said anything about the incident um I mean I just I remember the incident but I don't remember when I heard about the incident so um but um he did like I said he said I know that he had chased somebody um he had told me at some point that he only um thought he shot maybe six times um but I don't because because I was in the backyard I don't remember if he told me that by the car or if that was because I watched them do their walk through so I don't recall um cuz I think he does say he tells me a little bit about the incident kind of coming off his chest but I don't remember the specifics because all right yeah all right and you said you said you made the reference we or there more than one officer during the second contact that was pres yeah um I don't remember who all was there I was there um uh a antonetti from the bik team that was there at some point she was the one that asked the question initially and she's encouraging Robinette um and see I don't recall who who was there perfect thank you no for all right let's all take a break unless you got anything no I'm good thank you we leave my T recorded going gentlemen Hill wasn't on the scene until after the shooting had occurred but his information limited as it is doesn't contradict Robinette next the police interviewed officer Logan Howard [Laughter] a tight my record one as well all right it is uh 1421 uh so I'm Michaela Cruz and this is my partner Terence Brass California DJ and then you are living okay you sir Nick Boyd with Sacramento Police Department and the Sacramento Police Officers Association okay and Nick Nick yeah and then um I wanted to talk to you about uh the officer involved shooting that happened on March 18th um can you please tell me uh where exactly uh you're assigned to work I work have control in sector 6 on swing shift okay and were you working on the night of March 18th yes okay and did you respond to the officer involved shooting yes okay and uh prior to coming in here youve had the opportunity to uh review your supplement as well as your uh body W camera footage um and so um going back to the officer involved shooting I just wanted to speak with you uh regarding um once you got on scene at some point um your body warn camera uh was muted um can you tell me why it was muted yes um just for a personal conversation um the first time um I had uh heard my for partner one of my fir Partners from that area come up on the radio and say that all officers were okay um I saw him on scene so I muted to ask him if he was okay um I had no idea he is involvment at that point uh but I muted to ask him if he was okay if he needed anything um and another officer was standing with him saying that he was his his buddy and I know from training uh if you're in a critical incident get a buddy so I knew his he had some sort of involvement so I just want to make sure he was okay okay and who was that that first officer the first officer um I asked if he was okay was officer Robinette okay and his buddy was officer tanko so okay so the conversation between the three of you was you were just checking on them yeah I was checking on him um the initial call came out of sector 4 was in the incident and I had heard when I switched radio channels uh Sector 5 officer Robin nette come up and say that all officers were okay at that time I wasn't aware that he was involved in the incident so um it kind of think as things were playing out I found that he had a buddy so I'm like okay he was something happened so I'm going to make sure he's okay so I went up to him and said hey man are you all right everything okay you good if you need anything let me know okay and I continued okay and then um a little while later uh there again while your body camera was still muted um you were speaking with u Sergeant mors correct uh can you tell me what what that conversation consisted of uh when I initially got into his area presence um he was still working some other things out wasn't wasn't talking to us uh but there was a handful of us just kind of standing and waiting for assignments um I had heard over the air that he needed uh he needed people to begin canvasing so I went to the area that we were told to meet um and uh waited for my assignment when in in the body cam uh when I'm face to face talking to him he's giving me um an assignment on which houses to canvas in the neighborhood okay and then um again uh a little bit after that uh while your body camera still muted um you have another conversation with a different officer with um officer calii Cali yes Cali um can you tell me what that conversation consisted of yeah I was on my way to do my canvas and he stopped and and said something about uh the license plates um being attached and I was like uh you usually voice a license PL over the air so it's connected to the co um but I was like I don't know I was like go ahead and do it if you want and he's like well I don't want to put it on the radio right now and then uh that was all okay do you know what license plates he was talking about I don't I would assume we were standing in front of a car that had a broken window okay um that point I was assuming he was talking about that one because there was glass um I wasn't sure if he was speaking of those or just all Vehicles inside the perimeter um I didn't really clarify them I had another task so I wasn't going to get sidetracked and do that so I continued on my task okay um and then there's one more conversation again while your body camera is muted um that you had with um officer Lazaro um can you tell me about that conversation yeah I was just telling him that I was assigned to Canvas the neighborhood and uh he was next to like a trailer in a front yard um and I asked him from what I recall um was if he was going to take that house or what so from what I recall I obviously didn't go to the door so um just from what I remember um I'm not I'm not 100% sure but I asked him if I needed to do a canvas at that house from what I recall and and I didn't really get a clear answer so I just said okay well I I know I need to do these so I'll do these houses and then that's when my cam I was approaching the first house and I unmuted my body camera okay um yeah just just a quick question I've had the same opportunity that you had to take a look at the body camera and um when you initially spoke with or um can contact with wet and the other officer M I know you said you were just checking on them but do you remember exactly what was said what you said what they said um I remember asking him if he was okay who's this you're talking about officer Robinette okay just like I explained um I had heard on the radio shots fired from sector 4 and we were on a different Channel than four and five okay um so when I switched over was when I was responding um and offic that came up on the radio and said just to be clear all officers are okay uh we are not hurt I was like okay he something happened but sector 4 is involved so that's what I knew at the time um and then I saw that his buddy was tateno your signed a buddy during critical incidents so I just you know I I've known him um you talk about Robinette or yes I've known Robinette um you know since I've been here okay so um I just asked them I was like hey are you okay um I knew better than to ask him about the specifics of the incident um so I know for fact that it was nothing uh involving what had gone on it was just checking his welfare um and I do remember thinking about that I'm like okay you know everybody's curious they want to know what happened but I know I can't ask him um so I just all I remember was saying hey man are you okay um yeah man I'm good I'm good um is there anything I can do what you need sure you're good like you know something you this a big big scene so and that's that's really all I recall um but like I said you know I'm newer but I do know better than to have those conversations on this sort of scene um with anybody involved or anybody in general okay any anything else no that's it do you have anything to add no okay um why don't we take a break okay um and then if we need to we'll uh we'll come back okay okay all right I'll leave my recorder thank you it's on and running it's on and running uh why don't we all Howard like hill was a late arrival to the scene and did not witness anything directly relevant to the shooting next to be interviewed is Officer lungren um so we're gonna I wanted to speak with you regarding the incident that happened um on Sunday March 18th um and um there's so before you came in here you had a chance to review your supplement and then uh also watch your body worn uh camera footage um and so there's just some things that we need to clarify with that okay um but first um can you tell me uh when you were on the way to the call and you were hearing the updates over the radio what what was going through your mind uh well my partner and I were uh sitting down for code 7 we heard this call come out we heard arog get overhead and start putting out that they had eyes on him he was um starting to move South throughout through the the backyards so we had our radios up and we're listening to it and it's just like any other call um officers arriv on scene they mark on scene um and then we get updates from Air that you know they see him breaking out a s glass window he's continuing South up and over a fence officers are making contact and then the original shots fired call came out from Air when that came out my partner and I ran our Patrol vehicle got in and started moving towards the call okay and so as you're going to the call um what and you're hearing the the updates from star and from dispatch um and from the officers what's going through your line what's going through my mind is that officers just uh um had to shoot at a suspect and in my mind I was going through are my officers okay are they safe um an update did come out that officers were safe but you still have that concern for your teammates and your fellow officers that anytime that there's a an incident that involves discharge of firearm there's always that level of the officer's life was in danger or somebody's life was in danger so my my fear was one of them was injured but okay okay and so um have you ever worked with either of the officers prior to the incident on Sunday uh both officers involved in the incident um are members of my team I work with them every day out of the week okay um have you prior to um this year had you worked with them previously prior to this year no okay um and so you guys have known each other since the beginning of the year essentially or teammates um and work closely together yes one of them is my direct beat partner and which one is that dret okay and so when you say beat partner can you explain that a little bit District Five is broken into three beats a b and c there's officers assigned to uh a b and c officer Robin nette myself officer mlan are all district five uh B cars so when a call comes out in District B those units are responding to those so we handle most calls for service together okay so it would be fair to say that uh a majority of the calls that you respond to for service would be with either officer rinet or your other be partner correct okay um I want to go to your body born camera video um that you had a chance to to review um I want to talk about um when you first arrive on scene and you um approach officer rinet and officer mercadel um you can you please explain to me um the reasoning behind you muting your body warn camera when I made contact with them we walked out to the street um the cameras were muted because we were going to have a personal conversation about my concern for them um my concern for them with they were injured or hurt um physically or emotionally and so the uh body cans were muted and I asked them hey are you guys okay okay so is that what the conversation consisted of that was the conversation okay and what was their response um I think my exact words were hey are you guys okay and I think they both just said yeah and I said are you guys hurt they said no uh and then Rob officer Robinette said um okay I don't remember that I think I might have said where is he and they pointed to the backyard and then I turned to go to the backyard and I think officer Robinette said we're on ice and the way I took that was we were just involved in an incident we can no longer investigate talk to anyone we need to sit around wait for the sergeant to go on that was my impression okay but I moved and I went to the backyard reactivated my body Cam and then sound should have come back on okay um and then going back to your body War camera um there's one point when you are in the backyard uh and you're in the backyard with officer Trio um and again you mute your body more can you again um explain the reasoning behind uh you muting it at that time and also the conversation that was be held between you and officer tro I don't recall seeing that I don't know if I got to that point in the video okay do you um after you muted your body warn during your interaction with officer l or officer uh merad doll and Robinette do you and you stated that you turn the sound back on as you were going to the backyard do you recall um at any point muting your body camera again I believe I REM muted my body cam after uh fir pronounced okay and I backed off from the body okay and then I was stationary back there and I muted okay do you recall any conversations that you had while you were in the backyard in your body camera was muted for clarity is Officer tro a male or female a female um I think after fire pronounced and I'm not sure my status of my body came at the time um we moved South in the yard to look for um bullet holes see where the bullets went I don't know if my body Canam was muted at that time or not but the conversation her and I were having back there were I think I found one here I think I found one here looks like it didn't penetrate the fence here making sure that there's no over penetration no uh no additional victims anywhere else okay um so is it is it safe to say that you don't remember if you muted it muted your body camera or if the sound was still on um I know for a fact at one point after the incident was over I muted my camera because I was the only officer in that backyard by myself the incident was over and muted my body cam okay um and then again while you were in the backyard a little while later um officer two officers um they looked to be checking the the field to the west and looked over the the property fence line um and and it looked like they may have had some sort of Di with you yes um could you please explain what what was said during that conversation um the first officer if I recall correctly it was officer spring um he poked his head over and he said Lunden and I said yeah who was that go it's spring I said hey is you good said yeah I'm fine um he goes do you need anything I said no I'm good right now I feel like I'm GNA be back here for a long time just holding the scene um he said all right um give me a call if you if you need anything and I said give me your number I wrote down his phone number um and he's roommates with my be partner officer M CL so I said hey will you please call or text mcli and tell them where I am because your beat partner and you're you're a two-man car they want to know where each other are and we got separated so I said hey just just call him tell him in the backyard I'm okay and so he popped his head down and he left and then I think uh either right after that or shortly after that officer Brant poked his head over and said hey you doing good back here and I said yeah um and I said what I said what brought you all the way down from from the hospital because he's a hospital C stter and he said uh and he said Sundays are overlap so I get to get out and Patrol and I said oh okay he goes yeah we heard heard the call and uh came down I said well we appreciate it I think that was about it okay um do you remember if there were any other conversations that were had between you and any other any other officers um prior to you completely shutting down your body warn camera other than the ones that we've already spoken about um I don't know if my body camera was on or not and I don't even know what Sergeant it was but a sergeant came back to that that like three or 4 foot fence line okay that separated the front yard from the backyard and said you don't it back here I said yes he says all right no one's to come back here without my or Sergeant's approval or lend approval and I said copy that he left um I hung out a little bit longer another officer came back for um the other member of the gang unit um came back and said hey they want uh they want all of us to get back to the station um and another officer came and relieved me I think that is it okay um okay I don't uh I believe that was those were the the items that we needed to to clarify but um why don't we take a a short break um and then if we need to we can come back okay okay Officer lungren was yet another officer that did not arrive until till Clark was down but the investigators are more concerned with the number of times that he switched off his microphone there was a concern that he could have been attempting to conceal evidence that night cast Robinette in a bad light but it was later determined that he acted within the bounds of Department protocol the fourth officer to be interviewed is Officer Steven pittz this is my C I've already one of mys [Music] popcorn record here record for my own purposes here and record is on it's 1618 all right Stephen just uh for the record on Todd Co there's my card you can uh get a hold me any time um this is Terence brass he just himself he's from Department Justice okay um and just for record your name stepen pittz stepen Pitts and Mick o b and make you're witha yes all right um all right Stephen so uh you just got an opportunity to watch uh your body warn camera kind of what we're going to talk to you about today uh just get a little bit of background before then um how long have you been a police officer uh just under two years just under two years have all two years been here with Sacrament Police Department yes um do you have any prior military experience no okay um on March 18th of this year uh can you just kind of explain to me what uh what you were doing here at this um I was at the hospital taking a report uh while at the hospital um send a phone updating my sergeant about my my report that I was currently taking when I heard uh that this incident offic ball shooting was going on uh got in my car and started to drive code three towards uh the location that it happened at okay um as a hospital car what are your normal hours oh I'm not a hospital car I was just at the hospital oh you were just at a hospital correct uh what shift were you working swings swings and what sector sector five sector five swings okay um and did you hear the uh the call come out over the radio or you hear from your sergeant on the phone through the phone my phone was off being inside the hospital being inside the hospital you didn't couldn't get radio signal I got cut it off okay so and then uh you heard through the phone that correct U do you remember what time that was 9ish Nish okay um and then you respond code three to the incident right correct okay um kind of walk me through once you get on scene what what goes on uh once I get on scene I'm not sure what zct house is is I'm not sure where I'm need it um but air gets overhead and I see there's a lot of people already kind of going in different directions on the scene so I get there for scene security and he says we need someone to block off uh an area which was right next to me so I uh move my vehicle into a position and tried to tape off the area um and so you get there you block something off and then uh at some point uh you mute your body born camera do you recall muting it or do you I do recall muting camera okay um why did you mute it I was on the perimeter basically at that point and wasn't really doing a canvas or anything or talking to the public or uh doing anything really to investigate besides securing the scene okay um and I'm going to back up just a little bit um as you uh respond to the uh the incident was your camera already on was it U how did it come on do you remember I believe my camera was already on due to me taking the report inside the hospital so you're you're doing whatever in the hospital your camera is going you hear that it's going and then you respond and your your camera continues to move to record okay um there's a point in time where uh you contact AER M Merk doll correct um how do you know AER Merk doll uh we work together good friends um having classmates okay so you guys are on the same Academy and he's he's on your team currently correct okay um do you guys work the same beat or do you have different beats or how does that work I work the same beat same beat so he's your beat partner correct okay um now when you walk up to aome amk doll what uh what do you guys talk about I don't really recall if I talk to him I do recall in my head trying to think what how could Sol someone that's in a situation like this right now that's been involved and shooting did you know he was involved in the shooting at the time I heard over the radio the updates and stuff like that so I assume you assume but you didn't have any direct knowledge that he he was one of the shooters or involved in the shooting correct okay um how long were you standing with uh officer Merk doll would you say I would estimate a couple minutes couple minutes and then what' you do after that uh I was I remember recall having to keep my eye back and forth uh cuz I had that perimeter I was in charge of so um basically I was just more my focus was like have a job to do but also it's my buddy right there so that's about it did uh AER marll tell you any specifics on the shooting at that time I don't believe we talked at all okay so um Terence you got anything you said you don't believe you don't believe or you don't remember if you guys talked about I don't recall talking at all or don't believe that we talked about because after watching my video there's no conversation that comes to mind okay all right all right cool take a break this record is going to be on but I know you guys are not going to be here okay thanks Pitts was another officer who arrived late to the scene and turned off his microphone it was determined that he did not know who was involved with the shooting and the timing of turning off his microphone was also within the bounds of Department protocol next to be interviewed was officer Terrence mcot who was the other officer who fired at Clark so we have a couple uh questions and things like that um Department of sheet firearm the the 40 caliber yes and it's uh March 19th at 0321 so the first thing I'm going to have you do is just go ahead and um pop the magazine out of your gun perfect and then um go ahead and unholster and then using the clearing tube go ahead and uh run to your firearm so lock in the slide back perfect thank you if you just need go and set it down on the bo there if you don't mind uh just grabbing the round so again the round that was just picked up was the one in the chamber which is a federal um Smith and won 40 caliber [Applause] all right the serial number on this is uu 749 964 all right again so the magazine in the gun is a 12 round magazine one 2 3 4 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 can you go and just remove one of your magazines thank you one two so I see that it's missing 10 rounds did you do a tactical tactical reload perfect so this would have been the gun that had been in your the magazine that had been in your gun perfect and then if you can go and do your next magazine perfect one two 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 um any other uh pistol magazines no okay a rifle mag that's fine um you did not access your rifle correct do you carry a backup weapon I do not you do not okay uh so at the beginning your shift what does the how many rounds do you carry in your your weapon itself uh I normally carry one 12 round magazine with One in the Chamber so for a total of 13 yes okay so based on what we have here um would indicate you fired how many rounds uh 10 Rounds 10 Rounds you want to come in and take just an overall picture [Applause] so what we'll do is again we're going to go ahead and collect your gun M and um all the magazines and we'll issue you a l or firearm okay [Applause] so here is um identical Department issued 40 caliber um handgun same round magazines and all that again we're just going to have that firearm long enough for it to be um inspected by the County crime lab so if you want you can go ahead and start loading your gun we'll get you back fully loaded before we leave the room okay so [Applause] verify and we can um get the the tack light off that so you have you're liking all that with you so if you want to go ahead and start loading up okay thank you [Applause] [Applause] she's done do photos we'll get your back for you [Applause] [Applause] PR and actually before you uh load it up why don't you right back on thanks [Applause] all right totally loaded up yep perfect so again we'll have you guys go ahead and step out and just go to the HRI room for couple minutes thank you [Applause] unlike Robinette for this portion of the interview the investigators were more focused on Marc's weapon and ammunition and if they would support his version of what happened that night later they questioned marcot more intently um and uh where were you when you heard the call I was uh when I got dispatched to the call I was leaving another uh shot spotter call which I believe was on Stone Valley Circle so um we were coming from that call I don't want to say it was St valy circle is where we were responding from okay and um were was the the information was it um a call that was sent to your NDT or was it broadcasted over the radio the call initially was broadcasted over the radio um it was kind of a code 12 which basically meant that there were no units available uh to initially respond to the call um oh I apologize actually I think they had cross- sectored somebody from sector 4 to go take care of the call for service which was a 921 okay which is a um car clout or car break in in progress mhm okay um and when they had brought casted the call um do you recall what what information was um being transmitted yes um the for the text of the call there was an active 921 in progress apparently a subject had been breaking car windows on 29th Street um I don't recall the exact address order he breaking car windows but apparently this person had broken multiple car windows he was confront Ed by the complainant or neighbors who chased him into a backyard on 29th Street which they believed he was still hiding in one of those backyards and they described a male black wearing a black hooded sweatshirt dark pants and they couldn't describe what tool or object he used to break the windows okay and um you had mentioned that uh a unit from sector before had gotten uh cross- sectored dispatched to that call they had uh they had initially gotten cross- sectored and um officer Robinette one Charles 54 and myself decided to cancel them so they didn't have to come all the way across in the Sector 5 and we decided we were going to go handle the call okay and then what happened uh we get dispatched to the call um officer robinet was in front of me driving in his uh Crown bck I followed behind him um we approached the scene we pulled from we pulled down uh heading west on meow View and then we went North on 29th Street uh and then we I believe he parked on the west side of the street I parked on the east side of the street of where the which is the residence was on the west side of the street of where the suspect had apparently been hiding in the backyard okay yeah do you recall the address I do not recall called the address I know it's um and then the number for BL I may I'm not quite sure okay do you remember um the name of the street it was 29th Street okay um do you think if I were to show you a map you'd be able to um point out the the residence where you responded to yes okay uh so I'm going to show you um a Google map um it's not the scale okay but this is a Google map of the of the area um so that's meow view there um and then that's 29th there all right okay the residence was north of lwood Avenue um believe it's going to be this one here with the shed I remember specifically there's a shed in the corner that you up checking yeah this one here okay and what happened um after that so as we're arriving on the scene we had um we were receiving updates from Star which is the Sheriff's Department's helicopter giving us updates about him checking the area looking for heat signatures looking for the potential suspect um from what star broadcasted that he he had checked this yard and he did not recognize any heat signatures that he observed to be human he recognized that there were large canines in the backyard officer Robinette and I went and made contact with the resident the homeowner and advised her of what was going on and asked if uh we could check her backyard to ensure that there were no suspects or anybody hiding back there who wasn't supposed to be there she uh allowed us access she put her dogs into the uh garage and officer renette and I went back the through the backyard through the south end of the residence through a side fence we walked in uh we made a tactical approach tactically cleared the backyard there was a shed that was in the uh southwest corner of the residence of the backyard that we checked we determined it was locked and then we proceeded to leave out of the yard um e while we were at the front door talking to the resident Star had broadcasted that he believed there was a suspicious vehicle that was in the area possibly in this parking lot here um in the near the field that he felt could possibly contain somebody okay and so our plan was after we left the backyard we were going to get in our patrol cars and drive around and check out that suspicious vehicle okay okay and um so what happened after you left um the the rear of the residence that you were checking uh as we were leaving we both began to approach our cars to go uh check on the suspicious vehicle Star had broadcasted that he sees a subject he he saw a subject in a backyard of a residence approximately two houses south of us so um Jared and I both came out out on the street and we're trying to take a look and see what exactly what area he was referring to um I remember we both were slowly kind of walking and approaching trying to determine you know what house he was talking about um see if we saw anybody on the street really just trying to get our bearings and star broadcasted that the suspect or the subject was he gave us the address was in the backyard of he said he saw the subject looks like he was attempting to break into another car he couldn't see what the subject was using to break into the car he couldn't see what was in his hands and he was given us kind of directing us exactly where to go uh we began to make an approach star advised the subject was running South um and sounded like he was jumping fences he said he looks like he's running South jumping fences um so Robinette and I began running South on 29th Street attempting to parallel him and potentially cut him off um as star be began to give a description of the house that the subject was at he said in the backyard and then he began describing that there was a series or a set of cars that was along the north side of the residence that it looked like the subject was breaking into um I believe it might have been right here I um yeah so I approached the north end of this house this residence and and kind of looking down this driveway on the North End of the residence and it's very dark back there there's a couple of vehicles kind of blocking my view there was a dark colored SUV or Suburban that was all the way to the West uh it was like the furthest one on the side of the house and uh I saw a male black adult with a black hooded sweatshirt pulled up over his head standing behind that vehicle um I gave him loud verbal commands to let me see his hands cuz I could not see where his hands were uh after saying that he turned around and began running Westbound and then turned South into the backyard out of my line of sight okay yeah and then what happened I uh alerted officer Robinette that the I spotted the subject back there and I began to to uh chase after him I think I attempted to broadcast that he was running South I don't know if it went out or not but I attempted to say it um there was kind of a narrow narrow path between the northern side of the house and the vehicles that were parked there so I remember going in between the vehicles and the narrow edge of the house then there was a small wooden fence about hip height uh that had an opening kind of north of the uh the residence so I went around the car went around the fence and then started kind of going around the backyard uh I had lost sight of the subject so I kind of attempted to slow down and I tried to pie around the corner slowly tactically go around the corner When I Come Around the Corner uh the corner of the house uh I I left cover and I look and I see that same with his hoodie sweatshirt pulled up and his arms pointed out extended like this um at which time I looked and uh based on the light coming off of my uh my tactical light it appeared I thought that he had already shot at me cuz I saw what I believe to be a metallic reflection or muzzle flash something coming at me so I I was scared I thought that he had shot at me um I think I remember yelling gun and I ducked back behind the corner of the house for cover um by this time I realized officer Robinette was there uh next to me on my left side and for a second I thought my I I had to kind of uh get my bearings and went did I see what I thought I saw uh and I pked my head back out around the corner way further than I I should have put it out there and uh I see that the subject is advancing towards us and I see that same bright metallic shining of the light in his hands and uh I thought he had was approaching and shooting at us and so I remember ducking for cover uh I I ducked um grabbed cover behind the corner of the house and then I remember kneeling down on my left knee and returning fire um cuz I believe we're being fired upon um and uh I believe I fired well 10 times and uh we saw the subject go down and uh we began to give him you know kind of verbal commands for us to you know for him to show us his hands uh he wasn't moving anymore but we could only see his right hand his left hand appeared to be kind of tucked in under his body so okay and then um what happened after that after that we're broadcasting the updates I remember I believe I broadcasted there were shots fired and I said that the subject was down um we were putting out pertinent information as to where we were how to access us I believe star was also directing units and area to come come out uh I do remember telling everybody that we're that no officers were hit we're okay uh advising the subject was down we couldn't see his hands um and then I remember uh additional officers arrived on scene I believe it's Officer Taylor and officer tro arrived on scene and uh we kind of uh set a stayed behind cover attempted to give the male more vergal commands um uh then I believe that Sam 5 which was Sergeant Morris arrived and the decision was made to make a contact team to go apprehend the subject uh we all made a tactical approach and um I remember you know I think Sergeant Morris and I'm not sure who else went Hands-On I remember taking out my handcuffs and placing my handcuffs on the subject bringing him over and uh uh then the decision was made to start doing CPR life saving measures okay and do you recall who performed CPR I believe Officer Taylor uh began performing CPR I went to put my gloves on I went to go get a rescue mask um and then I remember that I was I recall somebody else saying that they were going back there to take care of it to get a rescue mask uh to begin to assist with CPR and then walking outside I see that the fire department ambulance got there relatively really quick and then they went to the backyard to start their deal okay um I want to go back to U when you first arrived on scene okay um when you first arrived on scene did you did you locate any of the the vehicles that had possibly been vandalized I had um we actually spoke with um one of the complainants on 29th Street I believe he was on the east side of the street he had contacted us and told us that he had chased the subject away he had chased him into the backyard he's pretty sure he was in that uh in this backyard that's on the west side he pointed to the vehicles uh that were kind of down here closer towards Elwood I did recall seeing two vehicle Windows smashed out in glass on the the ground I believe the driver side windows of both vehicles had uh their Windows smashed broken out and I could see the glass reflecting off the light in the street and um you know I remember thinking like coming having to come back and start taking the relevant information for a report on that okay yeah um and then I want to go to um after Star had given you um an update about uh the subject seeing the subject in uh a backyard just south of you um and you um arriving to to the residence where you saw the suspect um what type of lighting was there in that area well in that area it was extremely dark there was Street Lighting on 29th Street but as you know Street lighting is kind of SC around so when we approached uh this residence the residence was dark um didn't appear that anybody was awake at all there were no lights on uh at the house there were no lights on the front porch no lights in the backyard and it was kind of in a shadowy area where there was no street lights Illuminating anything and uh it was it was extremely dark back there so I remember having to illuminate uh I had my I did have my my gun out just based on not knowing what's going on um information I received from star that he didn't know what kind of weapon the person had in his hands um and I remember accessing the tack light on my weapon in order to kind of illuminate the area where I was looking okay um did you um also use your handheld flashlight while I was walking on the street yes I did I there was a point in time where I had holstered my gun and I brought my uh flashlight out my use my department issued the Pelican flashlight cuz it's pretty bright and I had that in my left hand and I was kind of using that to um shine light around so I can kind of see what was going on see what you know star was talking about um apparently Star had giving us information that the was running towards the front of the house and I was like well I don't see anybody I don't know what he's talking about so okay no and so um I want to go back to when you're um standing um at the residence where you see the suspect uh you had mentioned that you had um said something to him what what was it that you had been said to him I had given him verbal commands to show me his hands okay uh did you give him any other commands uh I remember once he began running I remember Ying stop um and then let me see your hands I believe it was another phrase I used okay um did you ever identify yourself as a police officer [Applause] [Applause] hey [Applause] me show me your hands good show me your hands good good [Applause] good 5 seven shots fired some down I don't I'm not quite sure if I had if I did okay um and then once you were in the backyard um can you describe for me the lighting in the backyard there was no Lighting in the backyard no rear porch no back porch light no uh lighting of any kind from the neighboring residences um all I recall it was Pitch Black in the backyard there and the only light that uh I was able to use was my attack light on my firearm and then also in the background I could see Star going around with this his overhead light but his light was in a different area it wasn't in the backyard where we were okay and can you um can you demonstrate for me um the position that you saw the suspect in once you came around the corner uh yeah sure he was um you can stand up if you have to or you can all right so he was so as I red the corner um kind of the direction that you were in I recall that he was kind of stucked up close to the uh east side of the building or he was closer to the side of the building um and I think there was some kind of table or bench to the left side like a wooden picnic bench or something and I remember seen him standing like this when I first come around the corner he's standing like this and that's at the time I thought I saw a um muzzle flash I was scared I was like oh my God this shooting at me um second time I come back around he had Advanced and moved up he wasn't in that same position he was in looked like he was moving forward like this okay um so that's when I uh took cover and return fire okay and so the the first time you saw him with his arms extended um what what was going on in your mind what were you thinking I um first thing I thought I was like wow that was stupid of me to come around the corner that fast you know and and uh I remember thinking I was like this guy's freaking shooting at I was like is that a gun he's shooting at me and it was kind of surreal it was almost in like slow motion and I was like this dude's freaking shooting at me like gu he's really shooting at me and so I remember you know get out of the way dummy that was the my first instinct um and kind of ducking around and then Jared had kind of taken a way better position than me and had kind of uh kept himself on the corner and then he ducked back and I remember him ducking forward again at the same time I duck forward to kind of reaffirm what we saw um and then again that's when I noticed the huge gap that the subject had made you know he had moved I don't know maybe possibly 10 ft or more up towards us MH and I remember ducking back behind cover like oh shoot you know he's shooting right now he's approaching um and I thought he was shooting at us so um I don't know something kicked in I just I knew that Jared was standing up uh at the corner and obviously I wasn't going to stand right next to him so I just kneel down beside him and kind of came out to the side and returned fire uh from cover okay um are you injured at all I I got some cut or scrape on my uh forearm here mhm uh I don't know where it came from maybe from running by the fence or something or the wall I'm not quite sure but yeah but other than that that's that's it okay um and then when you were were firing uh what were you aiming at uh I was aiming at the subject I remember he was close to the residence he was just on that east side of the house and then he started to move out west away from the house towards the fence line and I remember kind of trailing him as he uh started to move that direction and then he uh finally went down okay um can you tell me what what the background looked like uh the background was was extremely dark there was uh south of that residence there was a house um and you could see obviously the wooden fence line there and uh the residence there but the fence line to the West you could see through the gaps in the fence that it opened up into a open field um other than that the grass was extremely tall uh he was under a an awning like an overhang awning which is directly uh protruded out from the house probably 7 8 ft or something like that um so he was at the awning I just remember seeing how tall the grass was the grass the backyard was really unkempt okay um and then did you intend to shoot the subject yes I did okay and why I was in fear for my life I thought he was already shooting at me um so I wanted to return fire to stop the thread okay um and going back to your uh body warn camera were you wearing it at the time yes I was okay and was it um turned on in recording it was it was activated in recording okay um have you attended uh CPT yet this year yes I have okay uh what about uh last year uh CIT training yes I did okay uh are you uh 11550 trained yes yes okay um did did this subject um exhibit any symptoms that um you could have perceived as um possibly uh the subject suffering from um mental health issues I was unable to determine any of that it was extremely dark um when I initially gave him a command to show show me his hands he attempted to run and flee from me um I never heard him say a word or anything nor did I even get a good uh look at his face to see you know his mental status or if he's on the influence or anything everything moved really fast okay um I want to go back to um to when you and officer Robinette were in the backyard um when when the subject was down on the ground uh what were was there um any type of conversation uh between you and um officer Robinette pertaining to um after Force care um after the subject was detained we did talk about uh Medical Aid but when it was just officer Robinette and I yes well was just officer Robinette and I we stayed behind cover uh directly after the firing I remember after we put out our perent radio traffic um officer robinet uh advised me that he would cover down rrange for me I performed a tactical reload which I did I performed a tactical reload to make sure I had adequate ammunition in case uh the gunfight continued I then took officer robinette's position so he could perform a tactical reload and we were waiting for additional units to arrive on scene uh I don't recall robinet and I talking about uh after care for him at that time until after we had formed a contact team to talk about getting help um I remember saying to the subject that we wanted to you know make sure that he was okay or try and give him some help but he had to let us know what was going on with him so okay and did he respond to any of those questions he did not okay um do you have any um missing um gear or equipment um particularly a a cell phone that might have been left behind no I did not okay um I think this is a a good time to take a break okay so [Applause] there okay um I want to go back um to when you're arriving on scene um so you're you're on scene for the 921 for this this car Cloud car bery um and star is giving you several updates yes um at any point did star give you an update indicating that um the subject's be Behavior had changed yes um from initially and this was all in a matter of uh less than a minute we're getting these updates Star had advised that he spotted the subject in a backyard um two houses south of us which is the primary residence we were at we checked that back air was clear he said two houses south of us um as we began to kind of jog up to where he was talking about he I heard the update from star that the subjects started running so his behavior had changed he started running South and so we're thinking you know he's running from yard to yard he's going different directions um I remember there was a point when Star had advised that the subject was attempting to break into another car um and there was something in his hands he couldn't see what was in his hands I remember that pretty clearly cuz I was like all right what's what does he have you know is it a lead pipe is it a you know is it a gun is it like what do he breaking car windows with you know it's maybe it's I don't know what he's what he's breaking car windows with so I remember hearing that behavior and then uh star advis he's trying to get into another car and that's when um star gave the direction of what house he was at um the north side of the house there's some cars that were in the uh kind of driveway Alleyway leading up to the north side of the house uh and I remember looking and then looking deep uh back into the backyard West and seeing him behind a car um just the top half of his body um and then from there that was that was as far as the behavior changes I saw in and he takes off running so okay um prior to Star broadcasting that the subject was running South had star um mentioned uh what the suspect may have been doing in the backyard I believe star said the subject was he had was he said he's got a subject he said I've got somebody in the backyard um said he looks like he was looking around or snooping around um that's kind of all I really remember okay yeah okay and then um when you first arrived on scene do you remember um the update that star had given you yeah I remember Star had given an update that he initially had checked the area initially checked the house that we were the primary call for service that we were at at that residence and he didn't see any heat signatures there um and he began kind of having a wider circling pattern I remember seeing that he was looking for you know anybody hiding in backyards and uh initially he didn't see anything he broadcasted he saw that suspicious vehicle in the field to the West uh that might be worth taking a look at and uh those were kind of the updates we heard until after we cleared that yard and we come back out and tell them hey we're going to go look at that car uh that's when Star said hey I actually have somebody you know in the backyard two houses down from you south of you so okay yeah um do you recall if at any point star had broadcasted uh that the subject had uh broken a window at a residence I Rec call that star said the subject had broken a window I don't know if it was at a residence I believed he had said at a car a car okay that's my thought okay um well I think this concludes um the interview do you have anything to add I have no questions no questions okay I'm good good okay thank you thank you all right this all right [Applause] [Applause] Robinette and McConnell were immediately placed on administrative leave while the internal investigation took place the shooting sparked public outcry and protests across the city of Sacramento after the investigation it was decided that Robinette and McConnell would not be prosecuted and that the officers had probable cause to stop and detain Clark and that they were legally justified in using deadly force against him Clark's underage Sons sued the city for $20 million the city settled the lawsuit for $2.4 million each boy will receive $900,000 when he reaches the age of 22 if you enjoyed this video and want to support me further there's a patreon link in the description where you can do just that thank you for watching stay safe