you're full of [ __ ] you killed your kid and you don't give a laugh to ask yes I do this video contains the third interview of a mother who killed her son during an attempt to abandon him Brittany Gosling's previous relationships had ended in Failure so when she met James Hamilton she was determined that this time things were going to work out Gosling was already the mother to four children one of whom had been taken from her by social services from the beginning Hamilton did not get along with the children frustrated by the natural noise and mess that comes with Children of that age he would frequently hog tie them and strike them and leave them like that for extended periods of time in February 2021 Hamilton gave Gosney an ultimatum it was him or the kids Hamilton suggested leaving them at rush Run Park a location where they had dropped off the children in the past to frighten them into behaving Gosney took all three children and started to drive away while they were in the bathroom six-year-old James ran after the van holding onto the door as Gosney tried to leave eventually he fell off and she continued on her way without checking on him after driving some distance she texted Hamilton who told her to bring them back when she returned she said that James was already dead in the parking lot Gosling took his body home where she and Hamilton hid it until the next day when they drove to the river to dispose of it on Sunday they reported James missing but police became suspicious of the large discrepancies in their stories all right so I got a note from you that said you needed to talk to me yes okay because have you talked to your attorney about any of this he tried totally I couldn't tell him anything so you can't tell him anything yeah why I don't know I just can't I don't understand nothing about the law on us okay well I mean I'm not no I'm not a lawyer you know I can tell you I can explain the best I can okay so what's going on like the charges I don't understand okay each one means okay let's go through charge by charge okay the first charge was murder okay you took the six-year-old up to the park to you're telling me just to leave me yeah all right um the six-year-old grabbed a hold of the car handle yes and you took off yes and he told me that he was drugged some yes okay uh and ultimately he died from that okay okay that would be the murder charge you're talking about okay you left for over 40 to 45 50 minutes and you came back okay right is that correct okay and then when you come back the two are out on the road walking you grab them you pick them up is that right yeah and then you went back to the lot yeah you saw that he was dead and he picked him up put him in the van okay so that was the murder part okay the uh tampering with evidence is the little boy's Evans physical that's he's evidence at that point what happened of what happened and right so him being evidence when you tamper with it he picked him up he put him back in the car you took him to your house left him there and then you okay what if what would have happened if I would have called 9-1-1 well you could explain to the police this is what happened would I be in so much trouble that I met now I don't know because the circumstances would have been just something different not not a lot but some different yeah they would have shown they would have shown that hey I stopped you know you should have not you know you should have never took your kids up there and just dropped them off anyway yes okay okay Gosling tries to act as if she doesn't understand the charges against her but they are very straightforward if she truly didn't understand what she did was wrong she wouldn't have gone to lengths to cover it up um and then and then putting the body into the river that's also tampering with evidence abuse of a corpses he's deceased and the abuse comes in when you don't report it when you throw the baby in your house for a couple days and then when you toss them in the river that's abuse of that course okay he's being charged with the last two yes use of a corpse and tampering with evidence does that make sense and they were the judge would help me how many years or whatever I could understand okay I don't know what the years are either I really don't I tell you there's nothing to hide well he told me the one was something 90 days or something Hallelujah chords use of Courts if I had to guess I don't know murders because you told him the same thing okay and I believe they told me murder was 15 years or some Bond or something a thousand dollar Bond or something or something okay you're you're you gotta you got a million dollars on Total Wars right and here's a million dollars long I don't know that's why I was trying to tell the judge I don't understand with my learning disability I have to have everything written down for me to understand it they did it give you any paperwork no okay well you need to get a hold of your attorney and you don't remember Chris Atkins is what it said on my little note okay you'll get a new attorney okay once this goes to the county and it's going to the county Friday okay is he going to the county too to uh James yeah yeah I thought I was the only one that's just getting thrown around no he's going together so basically he's getting the same same thing down here the same treatment as me yes okay so then we what happens once we go to the county we stay there we come back I don't like I've never been in jail before so I don't know yeah you'll stay there you won't come back here you'll never come back here once you leave here you're gone now okay so you can still send me notes it'll just take a day or two to get to me before okay how can you explain to me like how some stuff around here works like if you run out of toilet paper or what do you do I don't have anything to do with corrections part of it the corrections part over in the campaign if you get a shower do they Supply the soap and stuff they should give you like an Indigent kit which would be uh soap and shampoo or something okay I didn't know I don't know how none of this or yes Gosling's son is dead and she is facing charges that could see her in prison for life yet she is more concerned about how she is going to take a shower while incarcerated her priorities are skewed and show that she has no remorse right now you can watch another incredibly intense case on my patreon Discover the disturbing story of the kin and Barbie Killers a terrifying tale about a couple obsessed with violence dive into their dark Journey as they become immersed in unimaginable Horrors watch this shocking video along with many others at patreon.com stranger stories Plus I know that I know that I know this is scary and I understand that um they said you have to go get my medicine like you told me you wouldn't at my house you said you was going to send somebody there to get it I'm gonna talk to I cannot talk that nurses she already been in yes I'm gonna call her I'll have to call her about that well I told her the the place I was getting my meds from and like the doctors and the pharmacy is always the same area Okay and she said she was going to try our best to call it Pharmacy and I told her to only open from nine to five but the main part is open well that's what she does is here so you'll be if she told you that and I'm allowed to have my medications if it's what I'm supposed to was prescribed to you yes yes and they cannot deny any of my medication nobody can well no they're going to give you your medicine they don't they don't care if you have your medicine or not I mean they want you to have your medicine if you need it absolutely hydroxyzine was a need and no I have to have that three times a day what's that for and my anxiety your anxiety okay I got you um and thus there's one two pills that helps me sleep at night I've really been able to sleep well I didn't think you would be able to anyway even with that probably it would it help me but they won't they probably won't give you anything to help you sleep unless you listen to nurse or proves it or the doctor because she works first came from the doctor so it's for my breathing because I have real bad asthma and my heart rate problems okay I'll check with her I'll get a hold of nurse and check with her okay I I had my medicines she said she didn't tell me what to [Music] do and I know what to do okay and if I had my medicine it would help out a lot all right for anxiety yes I'm just trying not to end up in the hospital no I understand that I agree I agree and then you said you'd be able to get my sister's number out of my phone yeah what's her name Lisa though and you can call now too I am yeah the phones were not locked down foreign foreign [Music] would you be able to write her answers down just because when I'm able to mail people [Music] [Music] don't you see okay [Music] and am I allowed to talk to my boyfriend or not no [Music] Gosling and Hamilton will not be allowed to speak they have had more than enough time to work on a story to tell the police and it can only be broken down if they are separated and worried about what the other will say what did I do click a button there it is okay um so the way it seems is James is getting out before me that I don't know how to be a judge to make that decision I don't know you don't have any charges as you do let me ask you a question are you covered for him at all for what for James was he not was he for sure not with you that night when you went up there to the park because I got some video from the house and I'm going to try I've not checked it yet he wasn't that's fine but if he was with you I hope for the love of God you're not covering no I was I was by myself as a kid Hamilton did not go with Gosney on the first trip to leave the children although they had done something similar before to frighten the children into behaving Hamilton went back with Gosney to retrieve the body but prior to that I don't know what he did to the kids I didn't bother to check on to see if they were okay or anything okay what's what's the same name before I told you guys well if you go back to the camera footage it'll tell you the exact time so you leave with all three children yeah you start there because that's where my mind is you you leave with all three children all three children are fine yes but James acts a little funny what do you mean by that like I kept asking like what is wrong he wouldn't tell me and he kept hiding and putting a hat on I'm in his head James my son James okay so I don't know so and you're saying he had tied them up earlier than that he had kept going up through him and punching them and all kinds of stuff okay but did James walk out on his own or did you carry him after the man my daughter helped him out like holding his hand my both my kids helped them outside how did how how did they help him like they were holding his hands so each kid's holding his hand you know all three walk into them yes I got you and he literally almost fell I didn't think nothing of it I didn't bother to attract the kids all right so I don't know if he or he kind of had that injury beforehand and I just made it worse right James may have had previous injuries from Hamilton striking him did he meant that he was beat on him yeah James in the face he punched he always punches him in the face in the top of the head and I keep telling them that that place you can't do that anyways and that's the most sensitive place on their bodies their face in their heads right yeah he told us that he admitted all that so basically he mentioned what I was didn't have been telling you guys that he's done too yes he made a tie them up he told us where he took those roots when he after he got done with him okay uh we got those and then he told us you've got to you and you also got the recording thing that was right okay yep yep he told us he told us where that was yeah yeah but you guys didn't ask him like why do you take it out and I have no idea my partner did I didn't get to talk to James a bunch I talked to him some but my partner did most interview with him which is the other guy that was with yeah yeah I'm saying so so the first place you went was the wrong place is that right yeah do you know where that place is at how far away was that place from the place you ended up well he had told me to look put it in my GPS rapid run Park not rapid finally restaurant yes restaurant Park and it took me there was um like a garage right here it went like this there's a garage off to this side and a bunch of cars parked here and if you went back farther there was something else I didn't go back that far okay you just knew your room yeah nothing looked familiar to me okay so you left yeah okay but that was the wrong place or that was that was the wrong place I got you all right now let me ask you this you told me on that this happened Friday into Saturday and then Saturday into Sunday is when you took the pool boy up there yes okay so um James is insisting that that happened with you and the kids at Thursday into Friday and then you guys dump the body Saturday and Sunday he's saying the boy was upstairs for two days not just one day deceased let's see how much I don't remember the days okay I could have swore that it was Friday into Saturday but could have possibly been there it could have possibly been Thursday and Friday okay it's just between then have we been going through so much well you need to you know you need to advertise with him I hope you're smart enough to know that he's not he's not a good dude well I lost my kids they're going pretty good the reason Gosney abandoned her children in the first place was to prevent Hamilton from leaving her this was done even with the knowledge that he harmed them on a regular basis what do you want [Music] to put them pocket is there any way that I can get my glasses out of my purse that I'm supposed to wear yes they're back in your property I took them back there last night because I thought they were the kids that little boys but I found those [Music] um oh my gosh you're not in blank yeah put one totally blank I'm gonna say you wanted to say something and then it's like I went away oh I do have your meds that's what I was going to tell you I can't I'm not gonna be able to get into them until tomorrow because the guy that you don't know him but he's our evidence guy yeah they're locked up because we took everything from the house and it's all secure we tag it into property what from the house well our pictures and just anything that we any phones that we found we take that kind of stuff when we do search so but he's got that locked up but I will get that video what happens to our stuff that's at the house it's still there but I talked to let anybody go in there and get it it's everything's secure the whole house is secure locked yeah secure good locked landlord medicine yesterday which was Taylor right short dude yeah yeah nice guy and uh yeah he let us in and then locked up behind us so we're all good everything's secure in the house um that's something you might want to talk to your sister about what would she be able to go get my stuff out of there with your permission yeah Gosling continues to show that her son's death is low on the list of her priorities instead worrying about her personal belongings she should be able to get it get your personal especially anything that like sentimental stuff yeah I would get that stuff forever medication I'm going to try to remember I need your medication I'll go write it down right now because I got another long day tomorrow so yes you're good I got your medication okay how would I get math classes would you tell them to give me my glasses when I take you back she's got classes in her property and she's like come back I'm fine with that yeah that's your problem I'll give you about five minutes foreign straight down Central could you come down to Central Avenue uh I went straight down the street and went to Logan followed my GPS says it told me to go so if I told you to go down Central you know downtown or downtown yeah I just typed in the GPS of the park and that's how I got there all right something I meant to mention to you he told me to delete where I typed in my GPS I don't know if you can still get that from the through the Boost or whatever and then the text message that I had text Tim before he called me he told me delete so I don't know if you can get that you have a fast you didn't know his passcodes to his phone but the main thing yeah like from the store no like you know how I get on my phone I have to type a little password are you talking about when you go to my Boost no I got his phones okay okay so to get into my phone I have to type a password to get in it do you know what his password is no because he didn't have one he didn't have one was he using that phone that he gave your daughter or is that your daughter's phone no that is his wife's daughter's phone okay does he use that one no he has a black phone that's kind of similar to the bigger one of mine and another black phone that's the same one as that purple one with the black case and there's no pass cut on yeah um morning how are you today nice so real quick like we got all these phones and this one this phone doesn't work doesn't do anything okay this doesn't have a problem okay this is no number no nothing okay is that the one that was in her purse no this one was um that is James's this is James primary phone no it's not it's not his primary okay so y'all are missing the phone ever doing that right now yeah um James told me we were missing a phone just like this but I had a black cake so where was it he had it and then he went back to the house so I don't know what he did with he told me he swore up and down that it was laying on the coffee table in the middle that's the one I got that's the one I picked up that night okay he left and that's ended up being his daughter's yeah or his ex-wife's daughter's name this is the one that one yeah that's got they activated nothing I don't even know why he even because he was honest that day or he was holding it when I walked in that's to make you guys think that it's some his phone when it's not okay I'm telling you guys that is not his son and she told him or he told her to delete the GPS off of her phone did she do that yeah and also delete the message that he she had sent him wow that doesn't matter I can bring back a lot of that stuff yeah that's why I was telling him like would you guys be able to bring back that stuff even though there's no way for them to hide any evidence that may have been on the phones it is simple for the police to recover texts pictures and browser history leader of it because he told me to yeah so um you guys said he has a safe there right yeah you might want to check in there for his home what does it say that I think we've been in my master bedroom but we didn't have any reason to check that is there a code to the city do you know it same as your phone here that's what you gave me to get into your phone my phone don't have no passwords neither one of my phones all right well where did that where did that come from that's the Boost main thing from boost like to pay the phone bill anything oh the passes were to pay the bills to get anything from them so you think Israel probably might be in that sleeve yeah he's done something with it I'm telling you guys he's done something how do you so okay he has I had discount on this phone he had this phone and a whole a phone just like this but black case and also we have both two active funds foreign what is your Gmail that is just showing up that is on your phone do you know um I can write it down for you yeah Queen pretty Brit 20 at gmail.com I say I'm trying to help you guys anyway possibly yeah yeah you are yeah you were we appreciate it um so okay where do you so your gut would tell you that phone is where in the safe field that's where he puts everything to hide anything but then if if you if you got because it was 7128 to get in there safe is there a key anymore to get them I think he has it I don't know his key sets do you think he's on his property I want to see that one or two loose keys but it didn't look like if we go back everything we can't get the disabled just take it yeah and then we'll get in it or not that I don't want to get into um yeah when you put it in there you might have changed stuff that's kind of what I'm thinking if he went through the effort of putting it in there he's probably don't change he's probably changed it I don't know why he would do that I mean it helps with evidence so the so Friday did you go up to Lowe's I didn't go anywhere Friday okay I've never been in Lowe's I don't even know what that happened because he take the kids to the store to Lowe's or anything like that or he wouldn't be around them uh normally you make some stay at home with me okay that's what I'm asking so you've not been to Lowe's and I don't know what load even looks like Lowe's Department Store up there at uh you know where the old Steak and Shake used to be of their own town I know where Lowe's is called but I've never been in Lowe's nothing okay that's what I'm asking someone called said they saw you in Lowe's Saturday or Friday actually I went in there I remember actually we went in there for a drill or something that he won it [Music] did you go with him yes were the kids with you guys or elsewhere if kids were in school kids were in school what day was it um it had been Monday or Tuesday uh this past week yeah because they go to school Monday on Tuesdays yes okay that's right that's not where you guys got the room I don't know where you got the roof I didn't know what to get no group okay you thought that was Walmart though I mean he only goes he goes to Lowe's because that's well he goes for the boss to get the material and all that so I don't know did he lift the drill or buy the drill they couldn't find it oh they couldn't find the record yes it had no love to do okay so we just went back home anything else oh you you what is his email Gmail [Music] [Music] hi this is Olivia with Children Services all right nine three seconds what's up I messed up after I left because when I walked in you just started you sent me a kite that you wanted to talk to me so you approached me which is fine okay that's any time I told you that um but I forgot to mirandize you before we started talking so like that information like okay I explained it to you and I'll explain to you again I'm going to read this to you okay and then we'll go step by step so anytime I talk to you I have to you have to yes why is that because say you give me some info instrument that I'm going to use like you gave me the information about his Gmail and his phone being probably like asking that too I know but I'm supposed to do no no no but listen since I didn't mirandize it I can't use that information okay okay it's it's weird I know but I understand because by law you don't have to talk to me I know you requested to talk to me but you don't have to talk to me without your lawyer president what I don't have a lawyer yeah you do it's Chris Atkins you told me so the lawyer that I uh they gave me in the court that is your attorney for now I probably will they tell me who my new one is once yes absolutely and I'll have his number and all that yes okay so can I read you this and ask you the same questions okay warning I am a police officer I want you you have the right from inside which means you don't have to talk to me anything you say can will be used to get you the court of law you have the right to consult with a lawyer you can talk to your attorney your lawyer before and during any questions while you're being questioned that if you could not afford a lawyer once wanted to point it to you which is Chris Atkins and then down the road they'll Point somebody else okay they may appoint somebody else um maybe for one or two this is what Chris Atkins said attorneys yeah yeah uh before any questioning okay you can stop talking to me or any other police officer at any time during questioning so you don't have to talk to me and when you're done just say I'm done the entire interview was almost a waste of time because of this mistake without being mirandized each time Gosney could have potentially given information that could later be tossed out of court even if it was critical to the case I put that card over print your name there again at the top my wife keeps texting me I wish you stop I'm home well the only reason why I asked you to tell me and stuff so I'm trying to find out yes well you wanted to know about your charges and understand that yes well you understand that because [Music] you know everything means yeah yeah it can get confusing today is the second three two and time is 12 10 12 10 yes do you have this one where we're in jail because she was being able to see a clock that would drive me insane too not knowing the time I'm with you there's no clocks back there you think they could put something safe on the walls yeah that's what I'm yeah I mean put it even on display I wouldn't even care if they put it all the way on the ceiling in my room so you gave me before I Miranda died you've been mirandize now can you confirm that this is your Gmail account yes and that you believe this is that is his yes okay and you said a couple more questions tell me where his phone is again where you think it might be it has to be in the safe and the code of that safe best you could remember materials what did I just tell you though some three seven nine that was seven one two no it's my last four night social last word or social yes but it has an o seven one two eight yep sorry I had it I couldn't remember either you just told me I had a remember I'm having friends remembering that's all right so what else would you want to ask me um how long will I be here until Friday you'll be shipped out you probably won't know that's not true uh Butler County Jail will be better number one just so you know that facilities just newer it's just nicer um do I get put with somebody else or by myself that I don't know how they work over there I can take I can make it work I can do that here by yourself and I would imagine you'll be by yourself until you go through court process okay so you don't know and don't you know my advice is don't tell nobody your business went in jail okay just tell them I'm here for whatever make up something okay don't worry about getting beat up that's not that's not how you'll be all right okay people watch a lot of TV and they get into these situations and freak out the detective May intend to be comforting but he isn't being accurate those that have harmed children are frequently made targets of violence in jail I mean yeah yeah it'll be all right and I do got your medication like I told you I I will get that to you tomorrow as soon as I get the key to that property room and you do think that this could have happened on Thursday yes not Friday so with me telling you guys exactly everything happened and uh he didn't tell me exactly you set up did good on the whatever things polygraph test or whatever it's called except for one question and then he went over with me you remember what that question was um because I don't I do not did I think the kids were going to get harmed no I didn't think they would get home but I did not know if they were getting on meaning that you so was your intention to go up there and throw your kids in the river yeah did you guys did you and James talk about that you know did he did anything about driving them into the river you know and you jumping out of the car and saving yourself any any type of killing that I'm gonna kill these three and I'm gonna leave them up putting in a car throwing in the river and burn it okay um but I've never talked about any of that I wouldn't do that to my kids okay so your intention was what that night just to drop them off and be done yes not to hormone nothing okay that's why I'm saying that what James it was in pure accident it wasn't meant to happen I hear you okay thank you [Music] all right all right so after Miranda is just like I told you yesterday okay good morning I am a police officer one year the right to remain silent anything you say can you speaking of court of law he has the right to consult with the water before and during any questioning have a lawyer present while you're being questioned that if you cannot afford a lawyer won't be pointy free performing question and you can stop talking to me or any other police officer if at any time they're in questioning you understand what I just read third time today it's 6 31 2 p.m did you get to a reminder about the medicine I did and the nurse had called the doctor and he said he didn't prescribe you anything you're not about any prescriptions so she's not going to give you the meds I talked to her this morning that's what she said she talked to Dr Green yeah she called down and talked to the right doctor I think she has her own place or something where do you go to the doctor Primary Health Solutions and you know when I see there is Dr Burns what's his recession called today's the third three three what time is it 6 31. like the third three three twenty one is it Monday Tuesday Wednesday it's Wednesday Wednesday I had to think about that too sure all right Jesus have something specific I heard him talking about earlier about the somebody from Butler County was kind of getting into somebody will they let me know before they come in there and get me um it'll have that'll have to happen Friday after it gets no might not happening to people first yeah that's grand jury that'll be Friday morning at 9 A.M okay um so I probably won't be moving till probably next week all right now until next week probably Monday I would assume Monday okay I need a shower breaking out everywhere I'll ask him I'll go back there and talk to him since I'll drop you back off the next day Gosling is still mainly concerned with her own comfort as if she has already pushed the existence of her son and what she did to him from her mind I got a question for you though are you willing to talk to me about what happened he first off I need to know why you guys are down in Richmond Indiana at Walmart Richmond Indiana yeah or Richmond what I think it's Richmond Indiana what Richmond Kentucky I didn't go to any Walmart and you did not go there now um that's why I'm looking at you like what are you talking about did he take the kids to go to Walmart he might have I don't know okay um when I'm sleeping so how am I supposed to know anything well I mean you're not speaking 24 7. my meds but let me I'll be sleeping 24 7. um and as you can tell you had a yell for me for a couple minutes to even get me on your lonesome same you know for me a couple times they asked me if I was okay correct so I'm a deep sleeper I you know what you're out yes okay I need to know one other thing because I gotta put I want to put uh James Torres properly okay okay is he really where you said you don't be Gosney has started to throw Hamilton under the bus by claiming that he is the one that disposed of the body she admits to being there but not helping which is different from Hamilton's statement my son yes yes that's where he does them okay but you were with him yes that's legit and yes he said to make sure we dumped him on that side because of the currency or something goes this way I don't know enough about the water right okay [Music] um and you said they won't be out there until Sunday again to look yeah yeah um we're going out tonight in a few minutes actually over there now doing it I'm heading over there as soon as I put you away I'm gonna check for blood on your car and underneath your car when you run over somebody that that'll show up it's called Blue Star Aluminum they use this lighting all this other credit to look forward um basically like you turn out the lights and everything's like little blue whatever after they've used a certain chemical I've seen it as long as you're going to do some of this right well that's what we're going to go do tonight we're waiting for dark a little bit darker um [Music] we're only two years so um I suspect once a week and you understand that a murder charge is a murder charge okay meaning that it doesn't matter I don't even know exactly what murder even means so okay you killed somebody that's what murder means okay you killed your sons of another and so it doesn't matter even though it was an accidental I I think it was but you we went there to dispose of your kid to get to leave your kids out there is what you want to do I'll go there to drop them off not to harm them or anything okay but you would but they're still Banning your children okay so that's what that's how the low reads yeah as far as murder so my question to you is I suspect that we're gonna find on the tire and the undercarriage of the car some sort of blood matters what I think blood evidence is where we're going to end up finding underneath so it doesn't matter either way what I'm trying to get at is I still don't think you're being totally honest with me about how he died to be quite Frank with you okay for some reason you're minimizing the fact that you're drugging and you think that's better than running over him over I did not run him over or doing something else that's why I was telling you something I have dragged him I didn't see that but I didn't well you did tell me I think it was the the polygraph dude right and he said if I was to run somebody over I would be able to tell because like it let's not necessarily it wasn't bad it's not a big kid so I know what he's talking about but that's not necessarily true when it comes to Children Well I didn't feel that too okay and he asked me was there any way was there any other means used to harm your child by you or by your boyfriend okay you gotta explain better than that because okay I'm not understanding okay so we're up to the point where you drugging and that's how he died okay okay that's where we're at murders murders what I'm trying to get at so if you tell me the truth and say hey no this is really what happened this is how he died this is what I'm trying to get at if there's another reason that he died then I just want to know the truth of the matter because when we're recovering an autopsy is going to show unfortunately an autopsy was never possible because James's body has yet to be recovered yeah we're going to recover him the thing out here but they found him on Sonar they think they found to him is centers like an x-ray for the water so they just can't get down in there right now because of the the current the current and the height of the river the floods still in Florida is still there was still branches and stuff flowing along the top you can't put a diver in there because it may awoke them but they put these little like submarine things these little remote controls the submarines in the water those can go down and they went down low enough to where they yeah they did see that he was done there there were 90 sure like 91 sure is what they told us today that they think they found them there at the river it's not positive but they've they've got the general size they've got the general shape and they're pretty sure that they found them they're they're going to go down and get him here next week and he's not going anywhere where he is because the water is so cold it's like he's a refrigerator he's going to be almost this is this is the issue right in the middle of a conversation now you can't hold a thought to carry on the conversation because you're all over the place and honestly I think it's because you're full of [ __ ] and you don't want to just talk and have a conversation about what what the subject matter is the issue is he just he's asking you Was he alive when you went to the park or was he already dead or was he already dead after carefully interviewing gosney's two other young children the police were able to determine that James was alive on the initial trip to the park because the the corner is going to give me a cause of death okay and if you're [ __ ] it doesn't matter murder is murdered huh it doesn't matter if he shot him we did okay I'll give you an example it doesn't matter if you shot him stab him or serum in a moving bus in front of a moving bus my death is death you understand what I'm trying to say okay so I just need the truth on how he really died because not first I don't believe you're telling me the whole truth about how he really and we're going to figure out next next week just don't no [ __ ] straight up answer I told you you're only [ __ ] yourself here by not being totally honest about how he died okay I told you and told you that I don't know if you're just trying to protect knucklehead back here or what but you need to tell me the truth about how he died foreign I can't make you tell me but you know how he died and so does James okay and for some reason you think it's going to be less something in court or less they work because it's all on you he pushed every bit of this on you he was at home according to what what it's been told that's why honey we're looking you dead in the eye right now tell us how little James your son died [Music] one sentence is all you have to give us how did Little James your son your youngest baby he wasn't responded when he got out of the van where it went before when remember when I told you when we got married when you got it before you got there yes or no yeah because he wasn't okay then how did he die whatever James did to him upstairs okay you need to tell me that what did James do he practically he choked him out with Bruce the same group everywhere is one of them the kid all three all three kids you can ask all three of them because I know he all tied them yeah and he was beating them literally beating them look at her thumps on the floor why didn't you call us okay so he's dead before you even take him out of the house is that correct yeah who loves him up in the car so he didn't walk to the car my kid the kids like basically helped them to the car the other two kids helped James to the car your two other kids carry dead James to the car and he like okay no if I'm not making this since no not at [ __ ] all can you please stop yelling at me you're gonna sit here and tell me and tell us that you're no other babies carrying your dead youngest one to the car let's back up okay James is upstairs beating the kids he holds ties and raps so I'm talking about the Dave James uh or Little James does okay tell me about that day he known him that day today okay and what did James come down and say afterwards did you ever go up and check on them to see if they were breathing see if they were okay I heard movement upstairs okay but he told me if I go up there he was going to blow my brain down okay so what did he say happened to James he said he didn't know he didn't give a [ __ ] was James conscious when you went up there someone what about the other two they were up when I untied them they were uploading around James it took him a minute to even function so James good function then it took him maybe it took him like 30 40 minutes to even move so he's just laying there up in the bedroom yeah and he's already been cut loose I thought I like cousins I try my best to untie the knots that he had already tied okay so did who how did James finally did he ever get loose yeah I untie them okay you untie James yeah I haven't tried all of them but James was laying there for about 30 40 minutes before he even moved it all yeah okay and then how's James acting he was like staggering running in stuff is this the same night you want to eat in the park yes literally like before we went to that Park is when he did what he did so then you really didn't drag James that's why I keep trying to tell y'all I didn't do anything to that little boy you did yeah he did you didn't help him number one okay you're a grown ass adult that's a little baby okay if your job is a parent to protect your babies [ __ ] James [ __ ] Big James and you do have them yeah I got them all all three yes all three of them at the same time with the other [ __ ] and he's had those two the little ones and then they fit every time so when we talk the kids are getting for that forensic interview tomorrow you know what I told you about how many times how what are they going to say about you hitting on them you always I'm not really into them at all I make them standing there what are they gonna say about you hitting on them that night with James upstairs they're not they're probably just going to stay out with their butt that's about it like you said you knew your children right but I don't possibly versus nothing that's all games so what did James tell you tell me the conversation James comes back downstairs after meeting them right you go back two hands went up there like three or four times during the day I mean during the time like one time it's been eight hours what time what time were they tied up that day it was almost her bedtime so it was like six and the answer well six at night basically okay so that's about the time they tied him he tied them up yes okay Hamilton admitted in his own interview that he would hog tie the children when he felt as if they were not behaving so they're all three upstairs and they where were they the time you go this way you see the little girl close it's that closet in her room okay so all three of the kids are in that club yes all the time yes with dirty trifling underwear okay uh and how long were they tied up for what period of time it was literally like 10 minutes before nine o'clock so about three hours yeah their hands were purple okay so they're tied up for three hours okay and during that time period that three hours James is doing what okay who got the worst of it I couldn't tell you how to ask him okay so he's up and down the steps beating him several times as he comes back downstairs every time what does he say I asked him what did he do he said don't [ __ ] worry about it I know what the [ __ ] I'm doing okay and then what and then I told him well I'm about to go up there on time because the kids don't deserve this and he said well if you do I'ma shoots her ass okay and he every time he goes in there and gets a gun so at what time did you go upstairs on time I was almost bedtime so 10 minutes to 10 minutes that they had left well for 10 minutes before nine o'clock okay so 10 till 9. yeah what made him okay with you going upstairs at that point because I told him I was going to go on time I didn't care what he wanted no he didn't but why didn't he care that you went up there he told me he was going to bed to go on title okay so he told you yeah so you didn't do any of this [ __ ] I don't care about what you say I'm going up there don't don't lie about nothing okay so he told you to go on time correct he said if I want it to go on time then go on time okay so you went upstairs and untied yeah and just with your hands okay just with your hands yeah okay so once you untied them you said the other two have gotten up fairly quick you know but they kept complaining their hands were purple and they're paying for him they couldn't feel nothing okay and what did within games was not responsive Okay so you said it took her how long before it's become more alert 30 40 minutes 30 40 minutes and now is he talking at this time 30 40 minutes later barely he was talking like he couldn't really understand what he's saying okay so you can't understand what he's saying and is he walking and slowly slowly did he have any visible injuries on his body I hope he had had him I didn't text okay on a space he Embraces all over as well yes okay um and it looked like he had like a knot like right in here his face okay so like his face has been has been fallen for being punched okay I mean every time on both sides of his face or just one thing on both sides on both sides of the space and what so after 40 minutes he's kind of talking and he's kind of walking is he literally walking or is he was kind of walking he uh asked one of the kids to help him kind of down his pair so he wouldn't fall right because that one handle is kind of wobbly going up and down the steps okay so he gets downstairs one of which kid helps him do that I believe it was so melting down the steps where is your other boy right behind him okay and you are aware following right behind all of them okay so that's what I meant yeah the two go down first then the other boy then you yeah okay you get downstairs and what happens what do they do basically was going to go to bed like I told you that James insisted on they have to get out so James is in the bedroom or outside or in the living room in the living room that's where we all were so he comes out of the living room or out of the bedroom because you said you went to bed he was going to bed okay until I went upstairs to untie the children when they come down he's still he's in the living room yeah where's he at he's sitting on the couch so he's sitting on the couch and what's the what's he say what do you say what does he say what are the kids he told me that he didn't want to see a hair of them kids okay if he was to see if he was going to beat them some more okay so and he said he didn't care how what happened to him he didn't do funk okay so at this point what do you do I'm not made the kids doing best well I wanted them to come downstairs to go to bed right but that's when James had said if I see a heroin [ __ ] kid I'm gonna be to sit out of the more of them beat more [ __ ] out of them than they already was right so I had told him they were upstairs they were upstairs changing because he wouldn't let him on he wouldn't let me untie them to go use the toilet so they pissed them yes did they shut themself too and so they went back upstairs Gosling is trying to claim that James's death is the result of Hamilton's mistreatment but that is not the case although he severely injured the boy they were not mortal wounds they changed in their room they didn't come bother to come downstairs because they were so scary dolls being right there okay you just said that all three of them came downstairs yeah that was after they had changed their clothes okay so they had already while you're up there with them they change clothes yeah I got you so you had came downstairs which is James had not made it downstairs when he told me to make him stay upstairs okay so they changed their clothes and then all four of you come down steps is that right am I thinking three of us came down and then went up there and tried to help James downstairs and that's when uh Joel said that's his nickname okay he told me to make them stay upstairs so they literally like got halfway down the stairs and I had to go tell them let's go back upstairs so they never went downstairs at all to two days the two did got downstairs okay and then he told me to make them go back upstairs so if whoever was downstairs to make them go upstairs and to let the other one know if they come downstairs and where he was going to beat the [ __ ] out of them again so they turn around and go back up the steps yeah okay um at some point what do you do you put them to bed or what I told him to go to bed upstairs so they went on the road yes because he wouldn't let him come downstairs where they had been sleeping at because it's a new environment okay so they're in the back rooms where are both boys in the same bedroom the front bedroom the one Straight Ahead yes okay so the both boys are in that and you're well to decide off to the side okay so that night so you come back downstairs after the kids are in bed yes okay you come you're downstairs with James and what's the conversation he told me uh specifically what the conversation was no [ __ ] I'm not bullshitting he told me to make sure them kids stay the [ __ ] upstairs and I need to get off my lazy ass and do something with these [ __ ] children okay some children I just want to go to bed right because it was so linked what else and he just kept nagging on about getting the kids so I yell for the kids to come downstairs and um it took me a good minute they were standing back in the corner because he wouldn't let him sit down what does that mean tell me about that once they come downstairs yeah he wouldn't let them sit down ever okay where was how did James get downstairs but the downstairs at that time yes okay so now all three children are downstairs and what happens after you call them down tell them come downstairs he wanted me to get rid of you guys what I should have done was make him do it not what you should have done so he says that tell the kids he wants me to get rid of you guys yeah and then one we it took me like 10 minutes to make sure they were all downstairs from getting changed and whatever they had to do upstairs so once they all got downstairs I took them out to the van they I make sure they buckled up what did James say to all this well he's telling me something specific I would assume what is what's the conversation between you and James how does he want you to get rid of he just told me to take him to the rush run he just said Rush run and do what they just told me to take him there and drop them off okay so I took an Aaron dropped them off and no tendency of hurting them nothing [Music] Hamilton told Gosney that he was tired of dealing with her children and was prepared to leave her if she didn't do anything about it she did not initially intend to kill any of them when she decided to abandon them but in that location at that time of the year there's a chance that they would have succumbed to the elements so they're out you're up at restaurant at this point okay James tells you what uses van or no um whatever he didn't care what you used nope all right he didn't give me any specific guidelines on how to get rid of the kids he didn't tell you any directions at all how to get rid of the kids you just told me the best place was restaurant okay he doesn't give you any how I'm supposed to get president account okay so now you're up a restaurant okay just you and the three children now what happens I told the kids to get out okay and then that's when James didn't want to get out or he didn't even answer me so the two kids get out yes okay James would not answer me for nothing okay and I was back there kind of like shaking his arms trying to get him to talk to me and he wouldn't say anything okay well I have picked him up and uh the door I had told him to go to the bathroom and to take James with them well James was leading up going on the door and then he just sat there and was trying to get him trying to get him up to get him to the bathroom they're going to get him up 20 minutes and he was sitting on the ground I was he reaching the door handles sitting in the room he can reach Dorian on his niece okay okay so just hold on the door handle and you're back in the van is that right I was back in the van yes I wasn't sitting there you're just sitting there at what point do you drive off like five minutes later okay and he's still holding on to the side of the van that's why I was trying to tell you before you was like something else had to happen something else had happened something else did happen right now you're telling me so adults yeah he didn't have the handles he had a Holden door handle for a couple minutes and had let go and just gave up basically and stepped there foreign okay and you drive you said you're gone for how long I didn't drive off all the way I heard the children screaming remember yes I heard the two kids screaming and I didn't get that far because I heard those frames as I stopped and was just looking around and then after they stopped screaming for a minute I went on okay I'm about to lose my temper and I'm trying not to I'm gonna take a break after hearing how gosnik didn't even check to see what could have caused the horrifying screams of her children the detective struggles to remain professional and is forced to pause the interview to collect himself so he does not become emotional and make mistakes you wanted to talk to me or no you probably don't because you're not gonna tell me the truth you've sat back there in the jail and you've tried to come up with some excuse for the home state because he was sent back there and it just listen Okay you sat back there in that jail and you've tried to come up with some reason to justify you not getting in charge with murder here here's where we are okay there's no doubt in my mind took those kids out there to leave them for them to either freeze to death for them to fall underwater drowned or for coyotes or some other wild animal to eat those children there is no abs look in my eyes there is no doubt in my mind that you took those children's those children to rush Run Lake to die there is no doubt in my mind you took all three of your kids there to die now maybe you weren't gonna do anything to them maybe you didn't have plans to take them out there and shoot them stab them cut them drowned them Gosling is prevaricating by abandoning them she can allow herself to avoid accepting the responsibility for anything that might have happened to him this is evident by the fact that she shows no negative reaction to the possibility of their deaths maybe you didn't have any plans at all to do that I have no reason to think for sure that you did yeah I didn't have no reason to do anything but you had every intention of taking those children out there to die well I didn't know they were going to die but I took them out there you took them out there hoping no one would ever see them find them or you would never see them or hear from them again is that a safe assumption yes so when you went out there with your three kids they were well enough to walk on their own all three of them they were all three well enough to talk on their own they all knew where they were and they were scared to death am I correct yes James had instruct I'm asking you had Jameson trusted you to take them out there and lead them they're talking about big things yeah I'm sorry yeah I'm not going to call him Jose because that's stupid I'm gonna call him big James okay big James that's where you do that with something and that's good because I I've gotten confused actually going through my notes Big Dreams in you decided they were that they were interrupting your own relationship and and you said they wasn't listening okay they were causing a problem between you and Big James the I'm going to say the decision was made I'm not gonna point fingers the decision was made that they need to exit your own life relationship and that was him okay you then load them up in big James's van yes you got you you and the children yes go out to restaurants where he had told me to take them and and you told me that and I believe that I really do because I found that even though you deleted your browser stuff I found that in your phone I've already I've already got search for and so I've started going through your opponents I found that and I can even if you don't believe me I'll go get a name off have a dozen places you looked up directions for but yeah because I I've told you that I've always used my GPS I know nothing right right because yeah you don't you don't know what you've looked up Walmart right and and I yeah I'm with you but I'm saying when you what what time of night once again did you take those kids out there well he told you just tell me just tell me what time an ID you would think you took those kids out at the park just guess I believe it was Friday morning Friday okay but what time like like two something so it was late at night there would be no one there yes and you knew they would be all alone there was going to be nobody around and but well okay if I had asked them what if somebody sees them and he told me there's nobody out at that time so when you when the kids exited the vehicle and you pull out the first one you when you when you left your house in Middletown and you were driving you had intentions that were going to be the last car ride you ever took with your children yes because I was dropping them off there okay you and you knew that when you left through a house there on Crawford Street so you drive out there you drop them off somehow James gets killed little little James gets killed you pull out and again when you pull out of a lot you don't have any intentions of ever seeing those kids again no and I didn't have any intentions on doing anything to them there were relatives that would have been willing to take the children and Gosney could have given them up for adoption she made no effort to attempt to take these Avenues to remove the children from her custody in a safe manner okay and so okay that's fair you leave a lot and how long were you gone until you turned around and went back the text message that I had sent him it used the last one that I saw was on OMW I'm on my way back okay okay so what that means yeah on my way back now where were you at when you was in Sunset I was a little ways down the road you would up the driveway from the park yes and turn left turn left because I had followed my GPS and I had stopped quarter ways down this up the road and I had turned back around because he told me little kids are just going to be running around they're going to get hurt okay well I'm gonna stop you the first time in several times and even on the polygraph you said that he takes that James told him you were dead that he was three texts texted Big James and said he's dead he might have been dead he might have been dead so where were you at whenever you texted that on my way home um because you texted it on my way to be right on my way you know you take me to death right if I had text that and so then you were thinking James was dead but you were up little James but you were going to go on the home thinking it because of the kids were screaming I didn't know for sure Gosling gets Tangled in her story unable to get the sequence of events straight to fit her claims but then after you told Big James you were on your way home Then you texted him and said Little James is dead yes that's when I had went back to get them and told him I was on my way home with them because Big James told you to yeah because they he said they would be running around okay you see this is this is where we are do you not hear yourself when you're talking or is just you're so full of [ __ ] you can't remember what lie you told would would this be easier if I got a pen and paper and let you write down what you're telling me so you can remember the lies you're telling you see you're still only worried about one person I guess that's two one person on the planet and you know who that is that's you you're gonna sit there and you're gonna lie you're gonna continue to lie and you're going to continue to lie because the only thing in the world that you're worried about you're not worried about nine-year-old that is so freaking skinny that is got severely malnourished you're not you're you're not you don't give a [ __ ] about truth you don't give a [ __ ] about who is just a little itty-bitty thing of himself and you don't even give a [ __ ] about little dead James the only thing you're worried about in the world is trying to come up with a good story that's going to keep your lying ass out of prison that's all you're worried about when you first sat down at a table with whoever he told you the only thing you've got in this world is the truth do you remember him telling you that in all this other [ __ ] all this story oh it's Jameson's fault oh it's this oh it's that oh it's this I didn't mean that honey I've caught you in like five lies in about two minutes because you cannot remember what the [ __ ] story or sentence you said 30 seconds ago am I wrong no I have a memory problems on the paper talk and maybe you know write down your lies you want to write down a good Journal you're full of [ __ ] you killed your kid and you don't give a laugh's ass yes I do Gosney insists that she cares what happened to her child but her protest is unconvincing Brittany Gosney pleaded guilty to murder and two counts of felony child endangerment Gosney was facing 16 counts overall and initially pleaded Not Guilty by reason of insanity but she was found competent to stand trial following a court-ordered mental evaluation the remaining 13 counts were dismissed as a part of her plea deal gosni must served 21 years before she will become eligible for parole and will have to register as a violent offender thank you for watching if you like this type of content and want to support the channel there is a patreon link in the description below you'll be able to watch videos with zero ads and some that are too controversial for YouTube and you'll be supporting the channel at the same time thanks again for sticking around and I'll see you in the next video