foreign you need to stand up you are under arrest and I don't want to use Force oh he looks like you're wearing a mask properly either so either my I guess the rest of thought which is not allowed far apart [Music] all right please thank you [Music] I know I understand what you're doing I'm asking you to please not put us in this position okay we're not happy about it either he can say whether or not I cannot he's being held by the Supreme Court he has a boss too if they charge you with contempt I have no choice I do not want to do this you've made your point I understand it do not make me do something that I don't want to do it's not an argument that I can have okay this is a public building however the courtroom belongs to the judges yes they can hold you in control I understand that he didn't say that you didn't call me and content you'll be trespassing okay so the owner I think no I think he's incorrect in that I don't think that he can trespass you necessarily because it is a public building I was waiting for him to say um and I get your point it is you've made your point please don't make me do something I I'm not going to get any enjoyment out of having to change the sheriff says he isn't going to enforce the mass money the sheriff the sheriff has no authority over if if a judge holds somebody in contempt I have no choice I don't want to do that I understand you don't okay you're not proving anything to me I get it I'm not here to try to intimidate you I'm trying to get you've made your point I can get clarification if what he's saying is trespassing I think what he means is he can't ask you to leave and if you don't leave I believe the remedy is contempt I don't think it's necessarily trespass in order for me to arrest you with contempt he has to sign the order I'm fine I'm not here now okay are you here for a case yes what are you a witness I ain't gonna put a mask on okay so then what I'll do is I'll get clarification from him but if if I I would like to see where it's written that we have to have a mask on where he says there is a Supreme Court ruling do you have it do you have a you can show us I remember right here I don't carry those around I mean if you if you um I don't carry a statue book around either here's the deal there's a difference between rules and laws we understand that you said it in there a rule may not be enforceable in other areas if you go into a private business and they say you need to wear a mask in here they can tell you to leave it's a private business I get that the difference here if you walked into the sheriff's office and they said hey you need to put a mask on and you didn't nothing would occur okay the difference here is a judge has the ability to hold you in contempt you better remember that when he's time to relax okay well that that's where we all have that ability I get it okay so I will get clarification I I understand importantly okay well I think I think we understand that right no not right does it say it has to be on your face I know how intelligent you remember I know how intelligent you are and I understand that certain things are written with a spirit of a rule not everything can be spelled out I had a mask okay and and what they said was that that's not acceptable I think everybody else that goes in there understands that that's not the spirit of that rule it doesn't change your disagreement I'm just saying you're not going to find a loophole on it with that the courtroom is the courtroom so I appreciate where you're coming from you're not going to get any argument from me but but there are rules like we have to get through this proceeding okay and I I understand that so if you'll give me a moment we'll figure it out she's willing to this I think this is a resolution if if this is it then I'm gonna go back and sit down we're going to testify for our case can you do me a favor can you have Maggie come out so I can just clarify with her if you don't mind me asking which case are you here for for Michael Walters okay oh it's a PNG is it a trial yes it is okay I understand but that's not that's not the rule Mr Strada you know that okay so I need to know I think I think the Judge is incorrect on the trespass thing he can hold her in contempt if he wants to hold her and contempt and he wants us to take her into custody I will but it can't be a trespass the other thing is if we have something printed I don't know if you've ever been asked for it is the Supreme Court ruling printed anywhere or can we print it if we can print it I will hand it to her and then I'm going to wait out here until I get clarification on the judge if if this is an adequate resolution or if he wants her I think it should be in contempt of court it is it can't be trespassing yes we're under a supreme court order it's a rule not agree trespass is different I don't think that that's correct let me let me just press them okay and I'll wait out here they're going to print it up and we'll hand it to you I mean so you can see what it is they're talking about it's not going to change it you don't agree with it so and then I'm getting clarification if it's a trespass I don't I don't think that that's valid if it's a contempt then I have no choice you can go back in guys it's fine you sure yes okay Alex would you let me know when it's time for us to testify please I'm good I understand I don't know right now what they want to do so I'm just going to sit out here with you because there's no remedy they just put these things on there and then oh what happens if somebody doesn't do it well I mean I I it just gives power to the government and then when it's questioned y'all don't know what to do I do know what to do I I've already explained it I think I have a I mean unfortunately in the beginning we didn't but I think I've got to grasp on what's going on and I'm telling you that like I said if this happened in other places the you know what it would happen if it was private property we agree on that government property is different I don't think there's a remedy there a courtroom though where a judge can hold somebody in contempt I can't charge you uh there's no charge for a violation of a rule it's law so if this happened anywhere but a courtroom I don't think the police would be able to do anything with that so but a courtroom is different okay and I think I I understand what you're saying if you had gone in there and that had been the argument if there was clarification given I don't think you could be held accountable for anything prior to clarification being given but if if this was your courtroom and somebody comes in whether you agree with it or not and you say you know whatever you're holding your mask I'm sorry I understand what the sign says that you have to have the mask on once that clarification is given then I think you you have that you have a decision I mean nobody can say you have to sit in there with a mask on but the consequence to that is you can't be in the courtroom and so it becomes problematic mm-hmm well everybody should go ahead and take off the [ __ ] mess and tell them to kiss my ass well I I don't like masks any more than you do I promise but there are certain things because somebody could do that right obviously with this mask love the way or whatever they call it they put it on the books you're you're arguing with you're arguing a point that I don't disagree with but my thing is in order for certain things to happen there has to be some respect for rules or decorum it's disruptive if that's what they choose to do okay we would never get any hearings done nothing would ever get done in there I I don't disagree with you I mean I want this to end just as much as anybody else [Music] I don't think no it's not the governor it's the Supreme Court and I don't think he can say that I mean of course you could you if you went in I think uh if you you own your own business if you worked for somebody else yeah I don't want to rent some some queer-ass game There Are Rules so stupid so don't tell say oh it's your own business what I was what I was going to say is that that you have a man okay I'm not gonna change that I I respect your opinion that's really all I can say like it's it's not about debating it because there's no point in US debating thank you the judge wants to talk to you in his chamber okay you're under arrest and I don't want to use Force well he looks like he's wearing a mask properly either so either Maya yes the rest is all it is not allowed far apart there's nobody here [Music] all right I know I understand what you're doing okay we're not happy about it either it's he's the judge you can say he can say whether or not he's being held by the Supreme Court he has a boss too if they charge you with contempt I have no choice I do not want to do this you made your point I understand it do not make me do something that I don't want to do it's not an argument that I can have okay this is a public building however the courtroom belongs to the judges yes they can hold you in things yes I understand that he didn't say that you didn't call me and content you owe me trespassing okay so the owner of this building no I think he's incorrect and that I don't think that he can trespass you necessarily because it is a public building I was waiting for him to say yes but I think I needed that say that it it is you've made your point please don't make me do something I I'm not going to get any enjoyment out of everything the sheriff says he isn't going to do it Force the mass money the sheriff has no authority over if if a judge holds somebody in Kentucky I have no problem I understand you don't okay you're not proving anything to me I get it I'm not here to try to intimidate you I'm trying to you've made your point I can get clarification if what he's saying is trespassing I think what he means is he can ask you to leave and if you don't leave I believe the remedy is contempt I don't think it's necessarily trespass in order for me to arrest you with contempt yes [Music] are you here for a case yes okay yes I ain't gonna put a mask on okay so then what I'll do is I'll get clarification from him but if if I would like to see where it's written that we have to have a mask on in here where he says Supreme Court what will this [ __ ] where is it there is a supreme court room do you have it do you have an American choice if you're making the people doing it you should have him at all here's the deal there's a difference between rules and laws we understand that you said it in there a rule may not be enforceable in other areas if you go into a private business and they say you need to wear a mask in here they can tell you to leave it's a private business yes I get that the difference here if you walked into the sheriff's office and they said hey you need to put a mask on and you didn't nothing would occur okay the difference here is a judge has the ability to hold you in contempt he better remember that when he started re-election okay well that's okay we all have that I'm out here now I get it okay so I will get close but is this mess are required in courtroom it does not say it needs to be on your [ __ ] face okay well I think I think we understand that right no no does it say does it say it has to be on your face I know how intelligent I know how intelligent you are and I understand that certain things are written with a spirit of a rule not everything can be spelled up I had a mask in my hand okay well and and what they said was that that's not acceptable I think everybody else that goes in there understands that that's not the spirit of that rule it doesn't change your disagreement I'm just saying you're not going to find a loophole on it with that the courtroom is the courtroom so I appreciate where you're coming from you're not going to get any argument from me but there are rules like we have to get through this proceeding okay and I I understand that so if you'll give me a moment we'll figure it out she's willing to this I think this is a resolution if if this is it then I'm gonna go back and sit down and we're going to testify for our case can you do me a favor can you have Maggie come on you don't mind me asking um thank you I had a mask in my head I want you to show me what it says it has to be on my face that's the whole point and we're letting it we're [ __ ] letting it go with [ __ ] you guys are supposed to uphold the Constitution yep you kidding me sit by each other or [ __ ] sleep together and screw all night but we can't sit together in the [ __ ] courtroom it's ridiculous wait where did that come from I heard the mask one but this three feet apart just start pulling [ __ ] out of their ass to give people power the power is in the people not the entity government doesn't have the power the people have the power I guess no okay throw me in jail God what can I do I need a vacation anymore they're going to print it up and we'll hand it to you I mean so you can see what it is they're talking about it's not going to change if you don't agree with it so and then I'm getting clarification if it's a trespass I don't I don't think that that's valid if it's a contempt then I have no choice you can go back in guys it's fine yes okay Alex would you let me know when it's not for us foreign they're looking to see what they're going to do so I think this is not I don't think it's I don't think it's happened in magistrate yet I know it's happened a couple times in District so and I think uh he's a newer judge yeah I want to see what's going to happen many rules I think people make rules with the assumption that well people just are going to follow me and and in most cases I think that's what happens I think sometimes people when they don't educate themselves they confuse rules with laws so it's they're they're able to do certain things because people assume um but like I said I it's happened enough that we've had to educate ourselves because two years ago we wouldn't have known and we would have just put handcuffs on you and not have been in we're trying our best to navigate this as well well I I don't I don't take it personally I don't think you're doing it you're not being disrespectful to us I think the issue then becomes it sets a precedent and if if your boss is telling you whether you're good or not if your boss is telling you this is the standard you have to have masks on a quarterman you need to make sure that people are wearing masks right well and that that certainly it exposes the fact that that argument potentially could be made it's not worded maybe as clearly as it could but I wouldn't have been disrupted if y'all would have just went on and not said anything and I don't I don't think they have that option because like because if they're going to enforce a rule whether you agree with the rule or not if they're going to enforce it it has to be consistent I don't disagree with you I think with the rule there needs to be consistency and it needs to be across the board I think in in my this is purely an opinion because I'm not I'm not a judge and these aren't my courtrooms if if I don't necessarily agree with a mask thing and I see a guy come in there and the mask is below his nose but he's got it on I'm like okay if anybody complained I'd be able to say that everybody here has masks on I don't think it's a person straight off the [ __ ] Street nasty but he has a mask on so he's fine right but you know it's like what the hell if I had a robot you need a bath before you come to court well I mean I get your point on that but it has to be consistent all right so you got court right I do okay do we have another deputy uh transport I can wait until uh they're done with what they're doing and we can just alternate all right um what you can do is go ahead and take her into custody hold her in the uh cells we'll get the uh transport and she could be transported okay and this is this is for contempt yes do you have anything that you don't prefer to give to him come on fine what about the jacket can do I'm sorry it's okay I don't take it personally I just I don't think this is I think you you had made your point and I think now you're you're gonna have a consequence that's unnecessary I know but that's fine you know that's fine um will you please take your scarves off unless there's a medical reason for those hey we're gonna go in here we're gonna take an immediate left okay Chad um are you on do you have quarter of you already gone I do have court over here why don't I give that to him I would prefer if it's value of a valuable investigate can you sit back here with herpes a moment okay she is in custody okay so if you can just stand by with uh Mrs Estrada for a moment thank you can I give you this all right I don't have a clue yet what happens with it there's not typically a bond set for a contempt hearing I have to go back in front of the judge as soon as they get the paperwork done if you wait okay I'll give you the paperwork and it will explain what's going on she'll go from here down to Estancia and if there's no bond then she has to wait till she sees the judge if there's a bond then you'll know before you leave all right okay Maggie is there a bond on this or is this a no bond pending a minute okay okay I'll wait then okay do you mind waiting until they get that filled out thank you [Music] foreign so they're gonna there's a form for contempt the judge has to fill out the judge will fill out whether there's a bond whether it's an appears thing or what the deal is so uh I'm sorry what's your husband's name Albertson Albert Alberto Alberto is going to wait until that paperwork's filled out so he knows if there's a bond he can start working on that if there's not then we're going to take you down to the facility and you'll have to stay there until they they see you on this oh so typically it would today is Wednesday Friday no I'm fine with it I'm just like I mean I actually wanted him to throw me in jail because I it's it's stupid and it's like a protest so I appreciate your uh your commitment uh to it whether we see eye to eye on everything I I that's irrelevant I think the fact that you are standing up for what you believe is important I wish it hadn't to come to this but I just wanted to see what the judge you know because we elected him in and I thought he had more balls to just say let's just go on with this it's my courtroom I can do what the [ __ ] I want in my own color room you know and today I went early I went to the commissioner meeting to see about undersheriff's rings and the two Republicans sound like Democrats and the Democrat sounded like a republican as far as just he agreed he's like yeah sure let's pay him and the two they're like no how can we do that I'm like hello hello that's our stuff remember awesome and I was going to ask you to recognize them do you um have you ever done a geofence warrant or like a for Google records no if you'd like we can knock one out for you um if I can just get the basics of the burglary occurred on this date and specific time if we have alarm activations we've been very successful with these recently and were able to get device information if it's within this fenced area we've also got uh we got to we got them when they're doing the burger right on video do they have mask on hats on gloves on you know hidden but about 30 minutes before that they were at the TA and got a bunch of stuff there and didn't have their mask on or anything do you so is this information that you do not want disseminated at this point um you know I don't I don't think there's any reason why we're kind of at a dead end so so you don't have a problem if we send it out to the department like hey do you recognize these guys no not at all and if you want I can have Alex dump this real quick and then we'll just give you your thumb drive back whenever this is a nice enough to drive I'll make sure Alex gets like 16 gigs or something but uh can you can you call a dispatch and see if they can send the deputy up here okay uh Alex and I don't have a abilities I can transport here in a minute are you headed down there okay well I got that I got the Antarctica oh yeah because if you want to take care of it then okay I'll have them create a call yes please okay and then I'll Transporters so I'm sorry you were saying that they were I'll look at this Mark okay perfect thank you sir so you were saying that they were they flip-flop rolls yes it was like you know and when I first read the agenda I was like what the [ __ ] does the undershirt need that much money but when he explained that he makes three thousand less than a lieutenant like that doesn't make sense because it should be in between a lieutenant and the sheriff it is it's called compaction and it happens because we we were like really underpaid for a while and the County Commission did made steps to fix it so then you do the compactions and it doesn't make sense because I'm actually I am that lieutenant and it doesn't make sense when you make more than your boss and he doesn't have the ability to um to make overtime so it's it's a difficult thing to be uh but it's necessary whether I expected them to do something mid-cycle I don't know yes well that was it but they gave Janice a raised mid-cycle oh it can't be done yeah you know and I'm like oh yeah [ __ ] let's give this dude some money and then so the new guy was like yeah and he's like oh no but we took away from Stephanie we took away 25 how can we give 25 back yeah well I think we agreed that uh the uh the position had sort of that's that position had sort of grown into something straight over the fiscal year but if I was him you know and but I know he's gotten more you know yeah she's working hard yes and then it brought up about those two bills to the total from the past administration and the new guy the new commissioner was like oh did the undersheriff find that and um the little lady sweetheart what the hell's her name here the administrator um Cheryl yes she was like it was between me and me and the other Chef we found these stuff and so it was actually there's your point he's doing stuff above and beyond she would be looking through who's you know and finding so I think they should have approved the 92 000 today my opinion but [Music] you suck at your if you're not doing what we us the people want then next I don't know why they keep voting the damn same people well I think a lot of people don't educate themselves I think they just assume oh like this guy you went to my house back to you um but I actually wanted right he's [ __ ] over here he may be and he screwed himself because he switched parties so that's shady to me I'm like right you should have stayed as a Democrat I think you had a better chance as a Democrat yeah I think that I think that upset a lot of people yeah she did it it upset me I think you just stick with it and be like hey this is my deal yes I think a lot of people can look past parties uh if they like somebody's ideas exactly especially in a small town when you know the people yeah so I think he screwed himself there by switching party over to the Republicans but that was Jones and then gave him that because I'm like who told you to do that so we'll judge says oh no not a lot of people like Justin Builders sick and tired of them already too but did you let me ask you a question you don't answer any of these obviously yeah I'm curious did you really are you really here for a court proceeding or was this just an opportunity well I knew you were here with Mr wall is it Walters so you were coming either way he's my neighbor I got you and I bought his property well actually I swapped I have the house here in minority with running water electricity he's living in a like a normal I remember I was I long truck who spent a few years and when I first met him but he was he was living in a camper yes I own like 500 Acres so I'm like hey hey I have to give you a house let's swap properties so I was like okay so if you don't own this anymore he's getting out of the county he's moving to the municipality let's just leave the dude alone you gotta talk to people at their level it's annoying and he's PTSD he's got crazy but the pnz guy and I bombed the PMZ board for the county well there's a lot of issues with uh that seems to be a source of contention with a lot of folks because it gets into you know that they think again they think it's government overreach so if he has blowing debris and getting fined for that shouldn't I be the one bitching about it and I've never until he just happened to mention it one day now I gotta go pair so do you have the prop he lived off of what was it is it North Riley who know what's before Riley what's it North what it's it's not really a road oh he lives off 55 a mile a mile it's like a it's like a short road and then it makes a hard time to the right okay I remember him yeah he was the first time we dealt with him he was out of his mind he was not okay but I've dealt with him subsequently and he's always been very friendly um no leg guy crazy oh uh Raymond Carbell yes yeah he's he lives about a mile and a half from in front of me and my husband has no taste or smell ever since the injury so these stinky guys don't bother and so he helped I'm not if I can get along with Ray Carvel you know Ray was a porcupine yeah and so this guy too I'm like leave the dude alone so I've I swapped properties I got 88 he's got a house here 's here he wasn't going to do anything with the 80 acres I think that's a great trade for him yes everybody and for me too you know so that gives me another you know I'm trying to get rid of him well don't you rent a lot of them out yes I don't know how you do that in this community I don't know keep track of folks I don't know how you do that uh I told I told this message but me and you both on the call because I didn't know I'll do I mean I'll do a suck and upload my video but if you just do the paperwork okay it's it's essentially a court commitment of you're not transporting anybody else are you Chad okay I just had this one case but I'm dismissing it because nobody came from Speedway okay all right my gears up is that not probably going to be done till the end of court okay um [Music] water right now okay and then do the charges later because the one that's pressing the charges is not the sheriff's department the judge right so I'm trying to clarify to make sure okay that I'm doing it correctly so Chad is back there he'll uh just sit with her until we figure it out I'm gonna be in the courtroom because we're gonna have to testify if you'll just wave at me I can come back out um Sharon okay just to get it okay sounds good if you'll bear with us or they're still working on the paperwork trying to figure out what they're gonna do [Music] uh so they're still honestly I still think there's a possibility that they're not going to do this I don't know they're still looking they're calling people so don't put her anywhere like just have her relax okay and then we'll figure things out when we need to okay um and her husband Alberto is sitting out in the lobby if we get the paperwork we need to advise him what it says as far as bonds so he knows what the next step is okay but I'm going to sit in for court okay I do so he's been around a long time yes so I mean I there could be there could be legal arguments here um I just want a question that's all my point is it should be questioned and what's the consequence for somebody doing it if it was me I ordered about 40 people by surprise because I got into my head yeah you've been you've been fine with us and so we're not going to treat you badly if this is uh certainly like I said I respect the fact that you're willing to stand up or something I hope that whatever happens here works out I don't want this to turn into yeah I'm not that's not worth it so all right I'll be back in a few minutes uh foreign that's kind of a silly question um so the judge issued a contempt order he did Issue a no bond pending I don't know how long they have this is a very this is what we waited on this is a pretty rudimentary piece of paper but what it says is that it cannot be bonded out they're going to set a hearing um he's not speaking I I can't get any more information on that um so the there is no additional documentation it's not a criminal complaint that we are filing they're filing whatever paperwork they have yeah we're not doing it that's the court building no no I know I know so um and Alberto left okay just did you let him know because he didn't stay uh including Nathan oh well if they're out there then I can go let him know because I know he has his PTSD with jail and stuff okay well I'll go talk to him um and we'll figure out what we need to do with that does that order set fast forward CCA or what yeah it's an arrest work he's torn up a bunch of them oh it's fine it's not him it's me I wanted to see what he was going to do it's his courtroom because just do a quick reform like I do like but he didn't say contagious I was waiting for him he didn't I said you are here for trespassing and then these he called him back and had their little meeting because he didn't know what the hell it was doing and so they're like no you can't hold me interested but you have to show me in contempt but no I'm fine with it I just I just feel bad that I'm wasting y'all's time there's other stuff that's more important you've been decent with us we appreciate it I don't take it personally I am not happy that we're in this position but this is where we're currently at it's absolutely fine I just no he's the judge and he can put out a container yes he can do it anyway he just remembered we elected him in there and he's got to remember this you know four years just a court commitment I'll do the narrative I'll just uh I'll take care of all that uh don already has the paperwork but we'll have to do a booking like we normally would do all right did they by chance call um sorry yes they did call him and you got this message I don't know I was out in the lobby oh okay so I don't know what happened with that uh yeah because that was the only thing I was here for all right good luck Christina we'll talk to you later you're gonna talk to your family out there yeah I'll go let him know thank you because what else are you supposed to do because you can't get another judge to come in into reality you can ask for a change of venue too sorry um so they issued the paperwork it is a no bond so it's a it's a core commitment it's not a criminal charge in that we're it's we're not filing a criminal information or a criminal complaint the judge has to do that but it's a no bond so what that means is that she has to see the judge again before they will let her out I don't know what the rules are as far as how long they have to do that but that's what's going on okay so I guess the sheriff's back there with her now we've gotten what we need to do she just wanted me to let you know she'll be able to call you within a couple of hours and that's where we're currently at do you have any questions for me what's the charge it's a contempt and I there's no secret I I understand what your thought on it is um I understand what her thoughts on it are if it's not in a courtroom it changes the ball game but in the courtroom a judge has the ability to issue contestants how many contempts have he has have since he's been on the bench honestly I don't know I don't know this is the first one I've ever been present for um I know that we've been dealing with similar like district courts like those judges who are the real lawyers right like they are they know how to restrain themselves what typically happens and I think what we've seen in District is it's it would have been more common I think to see maybe a hearing in order to show cause hearing um but it is judge's discretion I've not I'm not in court enough to see a lot of them but this is the first one I've seen out of magistrate and I'm not aware of any recently out of uh out of District but that's that's where we're at so when the sheriff made a statement we don't enforce Mass this isn't a mass rule this is a the contempt is contempt we we cannot make a decision I understand what the sheriff's side of it is if a judge holds somebody in contempt it is beyond in any of our discretion and in less than eight days by the order of the governor this is over you're you don't need to sell me on it Nathan I understand it I mean hey you're the one standing here well I'm because I'm trying I'm trying to give the family the courtesy of because I'd want somebody to do the same to me I can explain the logistics of what what's going on I can't explain a decision a judge makes I don't know why he made the decision he made he made it and that's what I'm trying to Simply explain the logistics of it all right just to understand and that I'm not being personal I'm fine it's not personal your name is tied to this I understand that by court order but you do not work for the judge a sheriff doesn't even work for the judge but the sheriff is elected to protect it I work for the sheriff and I work for the people um and my understanding trust me we've had to think about this before if I thought there was some way that it's legal wrangling I think that the way this is handled is the way that my interpretation of the laws that needs to be handled whether no reason I'm not being a royal yeah I can throw a lot of bigger fitment I have some legal Staffing here I'm just a citizen person but at the end of the day crap I understand that so I came I simply came out to let Alberta know what was going on answer what questions I can that's what's going on if you nobody has any other questions judge doesn't have legal authority to actually arrest somebody correct well can they can they take them to jail they cannot arrest it you guys would have I think we'd be I think we'd be quibbling about what what the meaning of an arrest would be if a judge can order somebody into custody to me that's affecting an arrest can they physically take them to to jail I don't believe so we are absolutely the ones tasked with them we are so and I mean I hope you get to CCA and there's no female holding and they're going to call her ass to Grants or something no there's there's female holding there I will not be surprised well in Torrance County they're required to hold their area yeah I I I'm honestly Nathan it's been a long time since we've had any issues like that there we've never had anybody transferred out to Grants not since the whole uh thing when the facility was closing down that she'll she'll be at CCA so that's my understanding of what's going on what's that yes so when she gets book in there she has to be arraigned to go in front of a judge that declared she's out of no hold on I don't know if an arraignment is part of this process I've never seen this before so I don't know whether an arraignment is the proper term but if if they set it at no bond then they have to set a hearing where the person comes in front of them to either set a bond RoR whatever the case may be so if this was a warrant for example a judge would have to arraign them within a couple of days of being taken into custody and then usually at that point bond is either set or if it's a serious case Bond can be basically be denied what I would expect here is that this would have to happen pretty quickly because somebody's been taken into custody whether what happens at the next hearing I don't know the answer to that I don't know if bond is set at that point or if they just said RoR and that's basically what the I don't know I've never seen this before so and there's nothing on the order that they just wrote up for us that explains that so I can't give you any more information than that I'm just saying I believe you're getting pushed [ __ ] up can I well I agree with you uh documentation I I don't know what they if they released that or not I would assume so um to what you have to do to get it whether you can go I don't know what they require um now I can tell you that we will have a copy of it and it will be included we have to write an incident report on this and you can certainly go through those channels and it would be easy for us to provide I have no clue what the courts require if they would just hand it to you if you walked in there or not and as far as being put in a bad position I'm not happy about this but I'm I mean I do honestly I feel like I'm doing my job I I don't know that this is a part that I necessarily enjoy but I've this is something that we've had to to argue with or fight since this all started and it's the one line that I believe that we cannot there is no gray area on is if a judge holds somebody in direct contempt of court we're not arrested we the word trespass was brought up we explain I explained that I'm not comfortable with that I don't think that's appropriate here and and that that was said so I I do think that where we're at is where we're at was that record at that time I don't know this isn't the court of record um but whether there's there's recordings I believe um I believe if anything that happened in the courtroom would be recorded I know that the entire time that I was out in the in the lobby with your mom we were running lapel video I don't understand I would like that just because and I don't I don't know the answer because I've never had to request it I asked Deputy Whitson to open up a call because we have to document when we leave here with a person we have to document what's going on the call was not created by the court the call was created by us because we're going to need to call out mileage and somebody's going to say what is Deputy Whitson doing going from court to here from that call for service that we generated the report is generated off of that and part of Connecticut and and now I'm just being semantics because if you read everything because what I understand because I wasn't in there she didn't violate anything that was said as far as well and I'm not here to say that she's because I've been escorted out of this place for that's a firearm no that is not a fire those are all options that are given it is a judge's discretion a judge can say I need you to leave my courtroom and and she did when she didn't resist she was a little hesitant but when she caught she came with us voluntarily and she was outside the judge could have that could have been enough uh if the judge chose for that to be enough but I think the judge's point is that she was given a warning in court she and I don't know if I honestly I do not remember if it was said that if you don't leave you'll be held I don't know what was said okay then and and and that that part I don't think is I don't think we can trespass somebody from a courtroom whether we can or I don't believe we can I've been threatened also what you're in contempt No I'm outside the courtroom.com I really think and I most judges again I'm not making any judgment calls here when I've seen it before the judge inside the courtroom that's kind of the area that's talked about and and outside of the courtroom it's kind of then at their discretion whether that's the issue has been solved or whether it's not um so that's that's where we're at and you know and like this goes back to where does it live no Catholics I I understand the argument I do I'm this is this is not a personal decision that I'm making but I I will stand behind my actions today because I think I'm I think I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing and I think we did it as reasonably as we could if I'm wrong then I'm sure that I'll be corrected and I got that like you said nothing personal I don't take it personally across the board I understand I've been fighting for three years and I have more problems with this court than any other I might even get into semantics and Court shouldn't even exist because another judge when you guys occupy taxpayer courtrooms Chad hold on the judge wants her to be brought back into the court he just flagged me down so let's go back in through the front and see if we can get this result I'm glad that worked out if you want to hang up for a second I'll let you guys know um [Applause] thank you [Music] give me just a second Alex okay he's got the seat here man awesome good good you know well I did enjoy your husband and Nathan are you just gonna wait outside until we figure out what this is I can have it in my head sorry just ice would you like more hi the one I left so did they make that guy pink oh you were named it did they make money neighbors have to pay 1999 what I heard I think they came up with some sort of agreement I don't know I think they gave him 30 days to get moved if that's what was going to happen we actually bought the 80s for him and that was worse than he's wearing I think those already included out like why are you skip ped driving by a nasty yard to go but it's because somebody he pissed somebody off which isn't hard he was on his best behavior today this is about the nicest I've ever seen him yes well good speak to them at their own level I said we got along with Ray Carvel I haven't heard that name in a long time he wouldn't feed himself no I was I was just going to say he didn't spend any money on himself he was a mean old bird but if you if you just didn't let it bother you he then he kind of let off of it you got to play it down but he liked the shock value of some of the things he would say and if he'd get you riled up it's been many years since he's passed I don't know if we bought it good yeah I didn't even I didn't think that place would ever be inhabitable exactly I knew it before him oh it was the best flooring oh God it was a beautiful heart I saw it well after its Heyday then because that was not the way I remember it mice by the thousands they weren't even afraid he died there in that house and the mice was chewing underneath thank you baby foreign [Music] [Music] isn't it oh that was Michael I understand but I also asked you before I do that okay yeah but so um we have you know we [Music] there's a lot of that I would not I'm just saying 80 minimum there is a laws that I don't agree with okay what's going on there foreign directives right it's your importance all respect yet it's your important we we have to enforce what is given to us with no respect if I was a judge on that plane I would have gone through it as long as I wasn't being disruptive was nobody would have even said anything there was people who knew when that's hanging off you know I had a mask in my hand so you know I mean Spirit wasting it your time these people's time it was the course trying to prove what's what they are governors you know like you are here today and assurance into everything else to do that [Music] I'm happy to show you choose pass right as long as you're not as told in yourself right it's not it's not a crime right [Music] right so you don't seem to have fun yet okay all right foreign [Music] listen [Music] okay I'm gonna hold it for one day because we do have to maintain the call in the trial whatever I said you might not agree with something all right I totally understand that there were things that I didn't do but you know that you have the power you're giving the power of peace [Music] to hold this courtroom according to the people in Florence County and you're counting down together [Music] what okay so I see um [Music] what does it say does it say it has to be on the face you must wear a mask is that what the foreign [Music] I'm not going to find you but there is going to be uh forecast um [Music] foreign well that wasn't what we expected so um well let them know Alberto so they called her back in front of the judge and he clarified that he cannot arrest her for trespassing which I think we had already established that he said he is going to hold her in contempt she she's holding steadfast which I mean I wouldn't expect anything different with what she believes he's going to hold her for 24 hours so there's not going to be another hearing this is basically but it's a 24-hour Court commitment so she'll be able to call you whenever she gets down there and then she will be released basically 24 hours from now all right okay so on our own reconnaissance that's that's it at that point there's it's not another it's almost like she's sentenced her just now on the contempt so once that 24 hours is done Professor sentence that's it that's there's no more now with this going to New Mexico courts I've never seen it I would assume it has to because it's a it's a an action coming through the court so I would assume it has to um but we've I mean I've done Court commitments before but not never on I mean if this is just like a core commitment it's usually attached to another case I've never seen one independent of another action but because it's being generated out of Magistrate Court I would say it has to be in New Mexico courts there has to be a record of it why am I still have this enough so that's where we've got um she'll be coming out here momentarily if you want to talk to her that's not a problem she's been nothing but polite with us um that's where we're at if you have any questions that I can answer I'm sure you have questions well there's no I mean there's no lawyers [Music] 24 hours you're gonna do now well I'm sorry I'm just trying to figure out I think the challenge and I'm not an attorney and any any challenge would have to be it would be after the fact this is not something that's going to drag out where because sentencing was done just now there's no delay between the actual event and sentencing that you could make a challenge the challenge is going to come post whatever it is so and what good does that do after 24 hours of somebody being in custody I don't know the answer to that and well what statue is contempt the court I'd have to look I can look right now I mean it's got to be on the paperwork I would assume so well a court commitment uh is I don't let me look because I don't know the answer to that because if he's holding her for 24 hours it's going to be on selling for and if it's the judge's Authority by his statute as a judge that's one thing but something's got to go on the paperwork and you've got to go back to okay what did we violate I agree well I'm going to look and see if there's a contempt of court statute there has to be a rule if it's not in the criminal section I've never seen it because I've never been in this situation but let me look and see if I can find it foreign mixing up terms but my understanding from listening to the clerk is that the judge has to fill out something they're calling it a criminal complaint which is what we would do if we were to arrest somebody for a trespass yeah any immediate sense scenes you've got to have a hearing that's correct oh I'm on a criminal complaint you're right so that's why I don't know exactly I don't know the answer to that Okay so it looks like it's 35 3 9 that is jurisdiction for contempt but it's Magistrate Court jurisdiction on under contempt and it says a magistrate has jurisdiction to punish for contempt only for disorderly Behavior or breach of the peace tending to interrupt or disturb disturb a Judicial proceeding in progress before the magistrator for Disobedience of any lawful order or process of his court no person shall be punished for contempt of the Magistrate Court until given an opportunity um to be heard in his defense and I don't know if that was the purpose of this I don't know I don't know the answer to that I mean I'm reading what what you'll be able to read Because at no point did I see she causes well I'm going to be honest with you Nathan I was in there and I mean I don't agree with the mass thing but she was asked the option was put a mask on or you can you need to step out of the Court she said I'm not I'm not leaving the court the judge said if you don't you know you have to leave the court and so a disturbance it was delaying the process was she being loud no she was she being was she threatening anybody no but I think the disturbance could be articulated whether I agree with it or not because given the option like you've made it clear you don't want to put a mask on it you can step outside into the lobby and and not do and not delay the court and you've heard it the delay was because she basically sat there and just said no and that's it and she just sat there so was it would take you five seconds to five minutes got it I mean I I think you have to articulate it whether I I guess it depends on who's trying to find the fact if they think that's a disturbance I don't know was she loud and boisterous no was she disobeying a direct order from a judge yes does she have to I guess that's the argument that needs to be made under contempt it seems to me that it could fit whether somebody else agrees with it or not anything that in Magistrate Court I know that the remedy is there's an appeal in District Court like that that would be the next step it would go there if that to appeal something there has to be an arraignment well not a charge I don't well I think she can appeal in action but I also understand your point I'm not an attorney but I also understand your point of what what can you appeal if something's already been done I I understand that I don't know the answer to that I've never I again I don't have anything in my experience or my history here to draw on to say this is what it is every other Court commitment we've done has usually been somebody violates an order of the court on an existing case and the judge says you need to turn yourself in on this day it's not a new charge it's not contempt they're saying you're gonna it's a sanction that the court is doing the person comes in and they're typically held for whatever the time period is and then they're released and I haven't entered this board but nowhere on that door does it say master Resort I think it's only inside the courtroom and I think the argument she's making is I think it says masks are required she's saying it doesn't say anywhere that masks need to need to be worn there's a spirit of the rule though I mean you understand that not everything can be written or it could be written better there's all these things there is a spirit to the rule clearly we understand whether we agree with or not that they don't they're not saying you can walk in there with a mask in your hand and that's the order but what under and and we're just yes under the governor's orders they're exceptions HIPAA religious at any time does it Point her exceptions or will she ask if she has well things might have been different if there was an exception and she said I I cannot wear a mask for this reason and then if he says that's fine I accept that she she doesn't have an exception she knows she doesn't and she's not claiming she does she basically just says I don't agree with it I'm not going to put it on and then she said I have the mask right here and he said something to the effect of you have to put it on I know there's exceptions and that would be something he could take into consideration an exception may have been something that changed this but she did to her credit she didn't come in there trying to claim some false exception that she knows she doesn't have it's not this isn't a religious thing for her it's clearly a it's a political thing right yeah deals very strongly about she thinks this is a horrible rule yeah and if that's not a belief in what is related well but okay I guess we could go around I see your point it is a belief is it religious people believe they worship girls butts she didn't make the the argument I guess is my question here's my or my point to that she said I just don't agree with it no I'm not going to put a mask on I think once she got outside I mean she made her Point um but by that point I guess it was too late at this point I mean just in no way shape or forms this over I understand that statue of this what's that this will get ugly in the Statue well I mean I I think I can only tell you that from from our standpoint I don't want us to be in the middle of this clearly we're going to be um I I what can I say other than that I have a lot of respect for you your family for these other folks that show up and do these things it's not personal but I don't like being put in the middle of it either and I would I I would hope there would be a way that this could be resolved without forcing that issue like there there are places to make these arguments and there may be valid legal arguments here but coming in and continuing forcing the hand if if they continue I don't know how the District Court's going to handle it I think up to this point they've been pretty lenient whether people agree with their decisions or not about not pushing it to a level of the where it's a Law Enforcement issue I would ask that to the extent that you have the ability to if we can keep it below that level you're not going to get any problem from us like I just don't want it to keep getting escalated to where all of a sudden we're at odds we don't need to be at odds because when this thing ends we're still gonna have to I'm still gonna see you in Estancia I'm still going to drive past these other folks we have to work in this community too and I I guess the argument would be what we don't have to follow that rule and that's where I think we differ because I feel like we do but to make the statement that oh don't bring it to the legal level in court well no what I mean no see I don't mean legal and then that was a poor choice of words I mean bringing it have getting your argument across short of getting to the point where you're in contempt of court like if there's it sounds like there's there's real uh there's a real belief here that this is not correct that this action today is not correct if there's a place that that can be argued all that comes out of that argument honestly is more clarification like this was thrown on us a long time ago and the fact that it's it's only getting to this point at the end of it is a miracle like it never that it never Rose to this level before I don't know I guess it's well you should know for a fact I fought this and I've requested from the courts at every level but they only give Advance or they want you to see not that or they so well not like today we decided we don't want it no but a contempt thing I understand the arguments of it around forever we I mean but but has the Sheriff's Office been involved in any of that uh yeah they've escorted me out of this place well if people tell you to leave that's different it's again they have the right to do that they have the right to ask you to leave it's not it doesn't have to be a law in the court the judge can ask you to leave if you're being disorderly in their opinion I I it's that's where we disagree if there's not because if that were the case then this then this contempt could have never occurred because there is no law regarding the masks it's a rule and and whose rule is it it's the it's the judges to follow that rule applies to the court the judge I guess the argument is does he have to enforce it the argument there is his boss is essentially are telling him yes he does does he work for the Supreme Court or does he work for the citizens it's the same thing as the disc judges down in Estancia I know there's judges down there that have openly said they don't agree with the mask mandate but they're still they're still following that for their courtroom I don't know the right answer he's still he still has to answer the district and the district has to answer to the Supreme Court is it not is it not a reasonable expectation to think that he has to answer to the same Source everybody has to get some directives from somewhere whether we agree with them or not there are directives that come down like not everything's a law anyway yeah I would I know what people would like me to get but I definitely you're welcome to go in and ask the clerk I think I mean if you don't get it from them then you just need to let us know because everything that we have will be attached to our case and you already know I mean I don't know if an emperor request is appropriate I don't know what how it's gotten but we would fulfill that immediately I mean if that's the way that that those records are being requested it used to be you could just call the office I don't know how it's working now but I'm sure you can figure out however you need to do that if that's the place it needs to go yeah I know I said I just just the town when they called and I'm like there ain't much I can do well and I'm not real happy about it either we came to testify in a felony aggravated assault case I know I respect the fact that she's uh she's got the conviction to stand up for something I wish it hadn't gone this way this doesn't benefit anybody um but I mean it's where we're at okay are they going to be able to give that to you okay well then we're going to get out of here we need to get back down south um and we'll get I'll get the report taken care of today it'll be done um it's simply just gonna have the order attached to it and that's where we're at all right and then in 24 hours you just walked out they'll yes they will call um and obviously um I think she would have an opportunity to call first to either arrange for somebody to come pick her up or what we would well you know the way final releases work if there's nobody there I'm sure that somebody can pick her up but it typically is literally 24 hours from the time the order is signed so if it's 3 15 it'll be 3 15 or slightly earlier than that tomorrow okay all right thank you gentlemen foreign