this is State Property you have to have permission to record on state property if you want to record from the sidewalk you can do that with with no problems but once you come on property you have to have permission to Cops coming oh yes I really think we be on the way very soon do I need to make sure and wait here until they come then probably probably best not really sure so say I'm just here waiting for to arrive okay I guess I'll do the same then I don't want to run from the scene of a records request it works hey what's up everybody it's James Freeman out here at cfd in New Mexico children Youth and Family family's Department bro you're live with 1500 people it say State Property you have to have permission to record on state property if you want to record from the sidewalk you can do that with with no problems but once you come on property you have to have permission to record I don't know who told you I don't know who gave you that information buddy I don't know who told you that bro but you're really misinformed hey we got first amendment Auditors trying to record it's not first amendment Auditors I'm here to do a here to do a records request they're doing they're claiming to do a record request we are we're like records that's why we have notb what the heck is First Amendment Auditors I know what the heck is First Amendment Auditors hello I just need to do an open records request yeah do you guys have a form or do you want me to just do it on my own sheet of paper well cuz we have a lot of people that come around recording and often times it's to try and get a rise out of us to get us to do something we're not allowed to do oh that's how we're just here to do record we're just here to do public record is that cool is that cool then or it's once they tell you whether you can or not uh As Long as You Follow their instructions everything is fine follow their instructions well yes if they tell you that they can't help you and that you need to leave you do to leave sorry was that ma'am are you a client am I a client I'm a taxpayer just doing a public records request tax APD is coming do I help us with our record I yes all right folks you don't have to say anything in front of them they are recording uh so any information that you give out will be recorded So if you don't want anything put out there on the internet I I suggest you uh wait until they're finished okay so you're actually being recorded everywhere it's this guy's just trying to get a rise out of people he's trying to cause a problem see he keeps interrupting too there's no problem you guys are fun you guys are fine he's just trying to cause problems okay so I can't just hand you a public records request right here no that's the person that okay uh I I talked with my attorney before I came here and he said that by state law I can go ahead and just give it to you so I'll just I'll just sit over there and write up the request and then just hand it to you and you can forward it to the records Clerk for me does that work that was what my cool cool all right thank you ma'am hey can you be quiet we're trying to do business here and you're really being disruptive well I'm actually uh speaking to your partner here I'm we're not Partners I'm married to a woman okay you can take the definition of partner however you wish but you two came in together I'm declaring you as partners whether romantically or not it doesn't even matter okay but you came in together so you are a group you are part can you just lower I'm not even escalating well can you lower your voice though this is a place of business this is a place of business that's your problem this is a place of business you understand that sh but I have one t just you can lower your tone hey how you doing I'm I'm James James Brian nice to meet you what's your name Brian you any name good to me I don't mind dude I don't mind relax relax relax stop trying to get everybody all rounded up just you know do you need a joint okay just shal I will be here to do my job whether you tell me what I can do okay just calm down just calm down I am calm down okay I'm sorry what was your name again Brian sir Brian I'm James good to meet you boss so I'm just going to look for somewhere kind of Ste nice to meet you I'm just going to look for somewhere kind of off to the side to write a records request up and hand it to her so I did he call you for for us or something uh no sir okay you were just wandering sir doing cool there you go cool I found a secluded area in which I could write up my records request I have no idea why the security guard decided that he needed to stalk me the entire time I was doing my business sir that's not you to be out there it's a government building get it straight there buddy it's government pay by tax dollars so do you have documentation that you pay [Laughter] taxes I'll just fill it out right here I guess a good bro you need a restricted restrict you don't need to stand wouldn't go into restricted areas you don't need to this guy's your boss he's funny bro it's all right calm down my name is James hi I'm James I'm also and I'm here to do a records request for an investigation that we're working on your name is James also is that what you said I didn't say that I just said I don't see James oh okay all right so I stood there at the top of the stairs and filled out my records request I guess the only reason we got personal security harassment is because we were recording our business coming in here you're draw attention to yourselves we didn't draw any you've been drawing the attention there's you're you're blocking the doorway I didn't sir sir can you get out of the way you're drawing attention see I didn't even know that you guys were recording until someone told me oh we're just filling out some records requests may be on our way who are you with just I'm James James hi nice to meet you I'm Sten hi Sten are you with an agency no we're just doing an investigation with cfd for with no no no for we're just doing an investigation into CYFD okay and so we're just doing a few records requests for the investigation we don't take the records requests here you need to send those to Santa Fe Yeah by state law you got to take them here and then forward them to the records custodian so I'm just going to write it up is there a form or you just WR yeah yeah you just write it up by hand and if you guys have a form I'd be happy to use it but I but it's not but this gentleman will take care of it and take it from you and well no you've been you've been wonderful just don't take uh photos of our children absolutely or our for that matter absolutely no problem that's that's not what we're here for we're here toed everybody who's walking in the lobby though our kids too no he's lying just so you guys know it is perfectly legal to record anything that you can see from a public space however we know that CYFD employees will try to make a scene and even try to traumatize the children over us being there doing business and recording therefore we tried to avoid that Al together so that cfd wouldn't have yet another excuse to further traumatize children you're a liar bro you're a you recorded the people that were in they're saying that we're trying to get into a lockio bro that lady is that what she just said yeah she just said we're trying to get into a lock you are recording into a locked area so maybe you misheard her I'm going to head down there and turn this one in you want to stay up here and watch him make sure he stays under control I'll beit I'll make sure he doesn't try to go into that secured area please I will all right so there we go okay and um yeah if you can just forward it to whoever the records custodian is okay that' be awesome and what was your name I'd rather not okay I'm James okay James you don't want to give your name now no thank you okay did you look at the records request what it says no I'll just forward it to her so it's for the names and salaries of everyone that works here okay okay but you don't want to just give your name you want toit make me wait till I get it through the records request yes sir okay that's fine yes you're right to be difficult thank you cops coming oh yes I really think we be on the way very soon oh okay what for uh not sure they were called I was just told to wait out here oh okay didn't get much details sir all right do I need to make sure I wait here until they come then probably probably best not really sure sir I'm just here waiting for them to arrive okay I guess I'll do the same then I don't want to run from the scene of a records request it works yeah Choice all right you ever fled the scene of a records request before as you guys said I was intoxicated I said youx this guy just said I was intoxicated bro just cuz I stumbl down a reading check don't give him the rise he wants man he just is trying to get a rise out of people trying to rile people up say the whole reason he came and approached you was just to try to get antagonize you and get a rise out of you don't give him what he's looking for I should warn you the site supervisor for here is benas is what binmas did you need to speak with him um and that's for secur test or for securest yes okay so you're not the supervisor of these two guys in here no I do this site sometimes but I'm a supervisor somewhere else okay I see is he here question I yeah it's just one so Brian has been great we're just doing some open records request and we document all of our interactions with government for our own safety and uh Brian has been wonderful but that other the other guy in there has been just antagonistic he's trying to cause problems he's trying to create a scene oh so you're doing like a what a first a set up no that's what he said when we came in that other guy yeah that's what he said when we came in no we're doing a um some open records requests for a story that we're working on doing records so I already turned mine in um and he's he's got a few to but that's all we were doing and it's just um we've learned from what do you call them again first first amendment Auditors okay so I don't know I think they kind of just ORD for no reason is that right I wouldn't say it's necessarily for no reason but they do generally want to see which publicly available sites follow what rules and if there are anyone that they feel is breaking their legal rights of the site though a lot of times they maybe have certain misunderstandings about when something isn't is a private property okay however if that's not what you're here to do then not really a concern that's mine yeah no we were here to do records requests but while doing our business we are we we are documenting for our own safety um you know in case something happens and and sure enough one of your security guards has really tried to create something out of this that just isn't you know he's he's called us in for I I don't even know what um trying to say that we were going into secured areas that we weren't and so do you have a point of contact with cfd that you're going with or you just coming in to do this as a walk uh just doing an open records request that's all yeah I can pass along your your concerns to Mr monis and he can speak with his officers when he returns okay and of course our records for this incident will be sent to the office okay if you want to escalate this higher you can call the office because as of right now I can't give you any feedback on what's going on right this second okay is there anything else you can help you no I really just wanted to put a complaint on on him and just ask that he not escalate try to escalate situation that don't need other concerns go ahead all right thank you guys good how are you good what's going on body on my body account yeah my um so we were just here to do some records requests and I guess they called on us for that okay that's all you did you guys go upstairs or didn't go into any restricted areas no restricted areas they've got they've got signs for what's restricted and what's not there's you go in have you been in this building before I have actually you want me to give you a tour of it uh actually like I said there are people in there now that I don't necessarily want to catch on camera Troopers just watch out for the juveniles there is a lot of juveniles and I don't want you guys to recording they have had it's legal but we don't want to either we don't want to either we're with you that's why we're asking you to come this way record we can even go up there by that tree cuz it's getting busier out here can we go up there oh they're getting on school yeah it's getting busier let's go up there is that all right yeah there's shade under that tree when we got here there really wasn't hardly you guys need records yeah and that's all we're doing we're doing request all you do you need Kathleen Hardy just put in the request but I have it here and I want to turn it in here you can't do that instead of New Mexico under the uh New Mexico inspection public records act I correct you're right the sunshine lot doesn't work for us I'm the records manager so but it does work oh give it to him yeah Che it to him check this out I I can't do any of that you can't you work for well you legally have to it's a state listen there is a process for record request so it goes to Kathleen no you give this and you for it to kathen sure I can do that there you go and and I already gave mine I'll I'll I'll I'll explain so whatever his policies are I don't know his policy I know I know but let me let let him let him dig his hole turn let's take turn he's going to dig a hole let him dig it no whatever he's saying is I don't know if it's legal or not it's his policy whatever you guys are saying um whatever you say is legal is legal and whatever you say is not legal is not legal right I don't know um he's just saying in order to request the information he said he's taking that to give to his records his records and he's giving you that form that's all I'm saying he's giving you that can I get a copy of that in time stamp that's what I'm saying why don't you go online to cyfd.org go through right one time you have it all I like everybody to speak you see what I mean it's just that easy can you can we let him finish oh so yeah let me yeah both so that pink form he said just give it to uh the records right and then has to call it's our process um like I said I know you guys said it's he's required to do it have you been you call I'm not I'm not 100% sure I'm not going to lie to you you know what I mean I don't know but we can pull if you want you want to learn after I'll just let you guys handle it if you guys want to do HR complaints or whatever that's totally up to you guys right there's nothing they so there's a security guard in there though that probably needs to be you know what was the call that you guys got just people recording okay so there wasn't anything any reports of people going into restricted areas no there was that used to went upstairs right but I I like know this building uh pretty well right um if there's no locked door and things like that right or I don't know there door where you guys probably wed if you went upstairs we did and and so they've got two signs when you go in there when you walk into the left Hall and the right hall there's restricted sign the reason the re and you know too the reason we went upstairs is because all it is is that one open Lobby and we have to keep our cameras on when we're doing business with the government but we don't you know we don't want to record anybody who's coming it's only the government that we so the reason we went upstairs is because it was secluded there's no customers coming in and out and it just gave us that tiny little Nook at the top of the stairs where we could set our clipboard down write our request and not be you know dis because the security guard was trying to be disruptive too and so we knew we needed they don't know how to deescalate deescalate or deal with situations with deal with humans at all humans or just individuals recording right because some people think it's scary or like oh you're you're recording me or VI like I got here body camera on oh the request yeah so I think I think we're s and honestly I was done about 10 minutes ago but I talked to Brian and said I don't want to flee the scene of a records request you know so I said he told me State Police were coming same time you're not doing anything wrong I know that we just want to know but I didn't well and I didn't want to just like take off and be like Oh I'm running from the scene of a records request get back your records right so I told them so I've been done for 10 minutes but I told them I'll just wait then since you got the police coming so I can let them know that the one security guard is disorderly you know yeah you're more happy to record out here anything um we don't need the security guard arrested today either but if you could just give them a warning about disorderly talk to him just to let him know that people recording are uh not just him her as well all of them because they don't know a lot of the State statues and um with individuals recording and who spoke to uh who spoke to the disorderly security guard guy right here bro okay just cuz only okay only reason I'm asking is cuz I I want the body cam of your interaction with him Mones monad I spoke with the Inside Man um pretty much told them your business and they told me what you guys are doing um I know you guys walked up the stairs there's nothing blocking you guys off it's public at that point they did tell me that it was for staff only but I told him I don't see anything right now that says staff only or gain blocking access to the public to understand he didn't go into any lock doors or key card access so really I mean I don't know Brian was great he I mean he was incredible he was he was a really good dude the the tall guy from the moment we got here was trying to escalate he was raising his voice he was trying to he was trying to create a problem where there wasn't one and we had to ask him multiple times to please uh stop being disorderly okay yeah I'll I'll pass on that that so we kind of kept it secure while while the security guard tried to rile people up I'll talk to to promise you guys so I wanted to go back in and make sure that the taller security guard understood what his job was and wasn't and understood that we can indeed record on State Property without permission but the place had gotten a lot busier since the time we first got here and when the police got here there were a lot of kids in there but like we said earlier we knew that these people would intentionally try to cause this scene in front of the children so I chose to leave on this day and come back on the following day before kids got out of school so that it would be just me and Brian and we could make sure he understood what his job is and isn't do you think when I come back tomorrow they will have learned anything