all right sorry that's okay let me just get some basic information from you first um speed first hand last name is jones what's your date of birth 9 22 74. and what's your address 5577 houston road apartments or 17 14. that's the apartment number yes sir for the name of those apartments right on corners what is your chance 478 478-775-1690 okay and what type of vehicle do you drive oh honda what color it's silver all right um now you work for mr pinkston kingston law group pink standard associates pete pinkston and associates okay um how long have you worked there since august of last year since august of last year um now let's go back to thursday night okay okay um where were you at thursday night i was at home you were at home okay was anyone there with you my kids your kids how many kids do you have two okay how old are they 17 and 15. 17 15. okay and you were there all night okay uh friday morning what time did you get up um about it about 5 45 6 00. where'd you go from there um i got up and i told my work that i had to drop a friend off but the thing is is i take lower tabs and i didn't have any and a friend of mine had told me that there was somebody this guy on holly mill that sold lord house so i thought figured i'd drive over there see if they were up see if i could buy some so when i pulled down the road there was no lights on so i turned my car off and i kind of you know i've never been there before so i kind of got a little scared turn my car off just sat there for a minute and i went and turned my car back on and the i guess the battery cable was loose it wouldn't crank back up and um so i sat there for a little bit and i knew gail lived there so i walked over there and um she came to the door and i asked her if i got to have something to drink and i had to pee really bad so i went peed i peed first and then i went in there and fixed me something to drink she said well i gotta get ready she really didn't actually want to talk to me much so i went in the kitchen and i picked me something to drink and i said well i'm gonna go try my back my thing again because i probably if i wiggle it i can probably get a crank well she she had shut the door so i'm hollering at her through the door and i said if i don't come back you'll know i got it crunk if i come back you might need to take me home and she said okay and i walked back to my car and messed with it got it crunk and i left who was with you i was by myself you were by yourself okay and you were going to holly mills i think that's the name of that road holly meal mill holly something like that they told me it was a third house on the right who's they a friend of mine i mean they told me this like a long time ago i just never friend's name brandy hernandez brandy what fulfilled our spell last name f-u-l-f-o-r-d did you call her that morning no okay i just figured i'd take a chance and then but i chickened out i couldn't get to the door they said the third house on the right is what she had told me and his name was air that's all i knew and the house was supposed to be on what street holly meal i think is the name of the road called him neal how long have you known gail since i've worked started working there how's your relationship with y'all hey we were great yeah we're good to go okay so how did you know how to get to holly mill which isn't the street name but it's close okay how did you know how to get there well they she kind of explained to me how to get there one time i need to go across and to take a left and there was going to be a sharp curve and then it would be on the left what road did it run off of oh i i don't know i just know i went down auburn mail album or something like that and then i went straight across and i took a left and you know where it full works i took that right okay how long ago did she give you these directions you said it had been a while uh three or four weeks ago oh okay well to me that's that's not a while i guess um okay that's okay uh how did you know where gail lived because i have me and gail's hung out before when you say hung out what do you mean like i went over there one afternoon we had a couple drinks what do you like to drink why do you like margarita martinis but i drink wine i don't really drink martinis what kind of lawn do you drink uh red wine white wine you drink liquor every now and then what kind of liquor do you prefer vodka okay when was the last time he was over there hanging out um it's probably two or three months ago we've been so busy at work we hadn't really had a chance to do anything so i was over there with you just me and her how was uh how's dale's demeanor been here lately at work um i don't know she's been a little strange lately like she put our check stubs out on her desk on thursday and she never does that um she didn't have none of the files ready for to close on that friday and usually she at least has we have a shirt on top of all of our files that you know we had to write all the information down and she didn't have none of those done um she had been sick wednesday i knew that she didn't feel good she had some kind of episode where her arm kind of went numb and her head was tingly or something like that she she was she was she was angry it called her she was mad i called her because he was never there [Music] that's okay he promised [Music] and i think he was still you know dabbling in it and that pissed her off and now you went inside the house okay um did you ever use her phone no you never used her phone okay um what was gail wearing that morning i believe she had on like an orange top like i said i really can't remember because like i said she came to the door and i told her what happened about the car and she said okay well i gotta go get ready and she hold up back to the bedroom and like i said i walked into the i walked to the bathroom and i peed and there was no toilet paper so i hollered down i gotta have some toilet paper so she reached it through the door and um i came out and i said i'm gonna fix me something to drink and i went in the kitchen and that's when i heard the door shut i said well i doubt like she don't want me back there for some reason the door shut the hall door you know you come in her front door there's a whole door there's a hole she had shut that door so i said well i guess you don't want me back there for some reason where'd you pee at in her bathroom like there's a room here room here and i paid in the bathroom right there the hall bathroom or the bedroom the hall bathroom bathroom but you said she shot the door to the the ip first and when i came out and went back into the kitchen and fixing something to drink is when i heard the door stuff so i hauled through the door i said i'm gonna go try my car if i don't come back you know i got it if i come back i might need you take me home and she said okay and where was your car broke down it was right in the there's a little dead end thing right there it's right there you were by yourself and when your car started where'd you where'd you go from there i went straight home because i had to hurry up and get ready to go to work what time of the morning was this when you're over at chaos it's about 6 45 6 45 and i was probably not even there probably not five ten minutes just long enough for me to pee and i got me something to drink all right was there anyone with gail nobody was there not that i know what i didn't go in her bedroom so i don't know but not that i know we didn't hear anyone else in there would you fix yourself to drink water plastic cup paper cup that was applied a green cup green cup okay you drank the water i drank yeah i mean i took a couple swallowers over what did you do with the cup i put it in the sink when you when you showed up at our house back door front door door front door okay how'd the house look it was they looked clean there's kitty cats running around or doggie running around was she still in her pajamas she had work clothes on she did do you recall what they were no like i said i think she had kind of an orangey top on or something that i can't really remember how was she her demeanor that morning well like i said she she came to the door and i told her what happened and she's like okay well i gotta go get ready and she just took off to the bedroom so we really didn't get a chance besides that her handing me the toilet paper i when you say that she was getting ready you assuming she was referring to work that's what i assumed okay and then when you left you went home i went straight home and got ready got ready for forward i had i got ready took my son to school when i went to work okay when you were when you got to work who was there um patsy was she yelling with her i think she was the only one there yeah because ben don't get there at about nine and caller what time did you get to work it's where i got about 8 30 i think what time are you supposed to be there 8 30. okay well let me ask you this considering you live on houston road right way out that way and where you were going is way over this way which is closer to right across the street from your work why wouldn't you have gotten ready for work and then stop by there to get the lord tabs on the way to work i don't know to be honest i mean i knew i had to get my son to school i figured i'd have time to run over there run back home and everybody get ready and go did you walk directly at two gales when you when that morning uh-huh you did okay you didn't knock on any doors like that oh okay do you have a boyfriend no you know anyone you see regularly no one at all since august when your car broke down how did you know it could be the battery cable because it does it often why didn't you check it right then well because i had really thought about going to the house and and a lot of times if you just let it sit there for some reason i don't know if i just kept trying it won't do and i was kind of scared gail had called me right by her or something and be like well what is she doing over here you know what i mean why would you care because i didn't want her to know i was going to buy lower ties well she wouldn't know she would ask me what i was doing over there i was driving by a single print well i know but i didn't did gail ever use prescription pills not that i know nothing you know what other type of drugs do you use and this is not a dope case you can just feel free you won't get any trouble just feel free to you know be honest i mean sometimes i do coke if i go out but that's not often okay hard or soft what do you mean cracker powder no not the powder powder yeah if you go out you mean like go out partying or whatever where did you generally go uh downtown right any place frequent uh you know foul play bottoms up somewhere like that who do you go with uh some friends of mine how often do you go out um sometimes i go out every weekend but i don't do coke every week you know what i mean um i've been this first time i've been single since i was 17 years old this past year so okay were you divorced friday after you get got to work you were at work all day yeah we're very busy what time did you get off from work about 5 30. where'd you go from there i went home that's okay my son no yeah i went home directly home where'd you go from there um we stayed at home until i don't know we went bowling about 9 30. we went to the bowling alley in one of our ovens okay um the bowling alley in wonderland why is that because they have the cosmic bowling and the kids will like it whilst your kids are you huh your kids will win yeah my two of my kids and then one of his friends and his girlfriend and then her friend okay what um can you tell me anything about the kind of relationship that called her and uh gail had i know they were very close um i i always thought they had a thing until calder started seeing rebecca and then when he started seeing rebecca i don't know gail and carter's relationship kind of got a little different why would you say that they had a thing i thought they might have had a thing why did you think that i don't know just because they were so close you know what i mean she's worked there for so long and it's just not my thought she'd get mad at him you know you know how you can kind of tell when a woman likes a man who is this rebecca rebecca west she's called her girlfriend she works at the bank what bank bb t i believe which one i don't know i have no idea where does calder live um i think he lives in river north carolina i think i'm not sure though we've ever been over to his house no i haven't you know patsy does all he's running for him okay so the last time you were at gal's house and y'all were having a couple drinks was two or three months ago how often would you say you did that we just we've only done it twice and then we went out me and her paxy went out one night to bone fish and had had drinks gail was a real private person she didn't want she didn't want people knowing her business like she didn't even want patsy to know that me and her were as close as we were because she thought patsy would get jealous you know what i mean she was she was very a very private person she wouldn't tell patsy that some things and she wouldn't tell me some things well now and i mean these are just questions that i have to ask okay so don't get offended when you say that you are as close as you were how close do you mean what do you mean i mean like how close i mean we were friends we talked and anything more no okay you get where i'm going i understand yeah no okay all right do you ever did gail ever speak with you or say anything about some any guys that she was seeing no i know about the one guy that she about four or five years ago she paid all this she paid for him to go to florida pay for all his furniture and i know about a year ago he tried to contact her and she told him to leave her alone because he took so much money from her well who's that guy i don't even know his name but uh i know that i think that was probably the last boyfriend she's had have you called her and um have you been called her been over at yale's house together no me and carter's never really been anywhere together okay how do you feel like how do you feel you know about your relationship with calder i'm going boston not close but no not really okay like i said he's not there a lot have you ever gonna call her to go over to gayle's house no that i know of now he did mention on friday that he wished he had went over there and checked on her and um but i don't i don't yeah but like i said i don't i don't really know too much about them to the relationship when did you see him friday um patsy went and picked him up but i don't know what time it was was it still morning time was it like after lunch it was morning time because we had closings and he was there i believe before lunchtime and what was his how was he acting that day anything stand out no not really he just he said he was worried about her and why was he worried about her because she that's not like her not to come to work it's not like you're not going to work as busy as we were and he said he he wondered if he should go over there and um that's pretty much it he didn't he was just worried about her did you tell them that she had been over to her house okay why did you tell them you had a friend with you well because i didn't want them to know i was picking up trying to pick up lortas so i was like well i had to go drop a friend off and why did you tell them that you used her phone i didn't tell them i used her phone that's what they said undoubtedly they misunderstood me because i didn't use their phone did you have your phone with you that morning yes i did if i'm not mistaken they should she he went so far to say that her phone was dead i think so and you said she went in the house but we were told that you said that you didn't go in the house no i told him i went in the house because i even told him i had to pee i mean we're just oh i'm not telling you what you know what we know what we've been told uh now when you were when you've gotten together a girl's house has there ever been anybody else invited over it's just you and her yes sir i mean did y'all have drinks i mean yeah we just had a couple drinks don't talk about anything in particular i mean something about not really i mean she talked about her grandkids and i know her neighbor was real real close to her he did a lot for her like if something happened to the house you know he came over there and fixed it and she'd tell me stuff like that and she always talked about how she wanted to move to savannah and be with her grandkids but she didn't think there was no way she could she could afford it it was that's stuff like that just normal girl talk did you stop anywhere that morning friday morning when you were on your way over there nowhere at all you went directly there and what was the route that you took i went down the interstate and then went down you ever been to that house before no like i said that's why i kind of got scared there was no lights on and and as far as i know maybe she was just saying that you know what i mean i'm kind of chickened out why did you need lower tabs at the moment because i don't have any and i'm and i'll take them every day you do take them every day okay well where do you normally give them when you run out i mean my doctor um and i actually i think one of my friends stole some out of my pocketbook and um so i just kind of tried to take a chance my grandma giving me some sometimes if i need them she didn't think it was kind of funny that the to me it's just strange the house you're going to is right there in the same block as gil's house well i do i mean i really didn't realize it at first until i got over there and i was like oh what's right there and yeah i mean of course i did once i got there once you got there you realized it was there the house was there i mean yeah once i turned on the road i said well that's the girl is right there and calder told us that night that you had never been over there before so you didn't know where gail lived i never called her my caller probably don't know that i'd been over there but i knew where girl is like i said gail was a very private person i'm sure she never told called her that we had drinks because a lot of times like when we have drinks she would talk about him you know and what would she say how he aggravates her not being there and it pisses her off and she's just over it you know it's funny you say that because carter said that you and her didn't get along very well yeah no we got alone we get along real good really yeah we had our moments because we're so bullheaded and we're so much alive in the office but we we got alone my understanding is you call out sick to work a lot you're late a lot and you don't do you don't carry your load that's the way i understand it well maybe if the computers work i could carry my load did when was the last time you missed work uh thursday thursday what happened thursday i just i didn't feel good i was sick you stay at uh i home so i don't know you said you got over to gales at what time it's probably about 6 45 so then somewhere around there did she appear to be sick i mean she you could look at her and tell she didn't feel good but she hadn't felt good all week you know what i mean but she was getting ready for work that's what she said she said i got it i got to go back here and get ready and she hauled back to her bedroom i don't know what y'all are thinking but i love gail no matter if you had our little moments at work or whatever but i i love my work and i love gail a lot well i mean we're not thinking anything in particular you know this is you know we have some questions we have today i know you do but i'm i'm really upset about them and like i told you we're gonna do we're doing this with everyone okay so you're not being just it's not being focused on you i know but i know i was the last person there right and you know i mean you were the last one right i mean later that day that we ain't found out about it so i said you know you're not we're not beating up on you and you know we're going to speak with everyone so okay um give us a few minutes and uh we'll be back in here okay all right you need to make a phone call or anything you got yourself yes sir okay tris i appreciate you being patient just a couple more questions now what did you do saturday um i stayed at home i didn't feel good all day yeah i was at home didn't you go anywhere whatsoever i don't think i did i don't think you did if i went anywhere it was just to the store because i i went to mcdonald's and we got some food and after i ate a hamburger it made me really sick i threw up and i laid down all right you went to mcdonald's uh-huh which one um oh hartley brewery okay what'd you buy just like you're wrestling um i bought a big mac for myself and bought the kids hamburgers and stuff how old are you kids 17 and 15. you bought big bank and what now i bought the kids some hamburgers like just regular make doubles okay all right um we're on what time was that um probably about one or two who was with you me and my son you and your son um i want to back up just a friday um after you went there that morning did you ever go back over to gayle's house that day no i was at work nothing at no point no i was at work i went home it was uh me and the kids were at home we went bowling we went back home what time did you leave work 5 30. because ben was still on a close and i asked him if it was okay for me to go and he said yeah okay um did you see anybody around the neighborhood that day that morning when you what was the route that you walked i i come up the road and went to the front because i'm not really that familiar with the street yes i came up the road and where you know there's there's like three houses right there real close together and i went around the front and went to the front door because the back door's in the little gate thing what street was your car on the street right here her house is right here my car was right here on this street and that's the same street as the guy that supposedly says yes drugs all right and that's it holly or whatever it is that's what your car was parked at all right uh kind of carted gale drop uh acura silver accurate your drone you have a minute does she ever let anyone drive it not that i know well i've never seen anybody drive it she didn't she was even gonna take ben the other attorney to his house one day at lunch instead of just letting him drive her car but he didn't he walked home then you've never been in the car so therefore your fingerprints would not be in the car okay um any um special features about our car anything that like a vanity plate on it or i don't i really don't know when shield the most i see her car is is when we're at work and it's parked in the parking lot so what kind of do you have like factory uh rims on it i think so i i really don't pay that much attention to her around so i don't really pay much attention to people was it a nice car oh yeah it's nice it's a newer car i believe i think her son bought it for her actually is what she told me okay do you have anything else i don't know just a lot of things that don't make sense to me yeah um is there anything tracy that that you have left out here in this interview today uh because now would be um now would be the time to let us know yeah i don't care how bad it is or anything like that um you know now would be the time to come forward yeah all right um you know don't you know because if we find out something on the back end then it doesn't look good for you you see what i'm saying okay so is there anything i don't think there is what you mean you don't think i mean i i think i've told you everything you have male friends any male friends i mean a couple but i don't really ever hang out with any male friends what are their names um i have one friend named jason woody um like i said we don't really ever just hang out just me and him um i really don't have any male male male friends okay i have friends i see when i go out stuff but none that i really hang out with all right and this number here is a good number to get in touch with you right yes sir you know kind of phone gail had uh she had a little flip bomb you don't know what kind it was like a verizon or i don't know you know her phone number not by heart did you have it do you have it your phone can i see yeah i believe i have her number here i just got this phone number not long ago and i might not have put it in here yet yes right there you have a text message or anything uh yeah sometimes i text her if like if i'm gonna be late or something i'll text her and taxi at the same time and let them know when was the last time you texted her um it's been a while i didn't know that i've texted her from that phone well he caught him right yeah but i didn't take her when's the last time you called gail's phone um i have no idea i don't know has it been recently that you called it no it probably wouldn't have been recently because like i said we've been so busy lately we went to work and worked and we just kind of wanted to get out of there when you generally call in sick who do you generally call i called her or i'll um send pass me a message and like so they'll know because cauter's not there did you text patsy thursday or did you call her i text taxi thursday and i left calder voicemail trey do you have anything else no right now so you your apartment number seventeen fourteen yeah is there a b or one two three so anything and you can be reached anytime at this phone number yes um all right well this will conclude right now i might need to come back and talk to you later all right okay don't take me back to work no you gotta walk yeah i walk a lot how are you doing today i'm okay i'm tired you tired yeah why are you tired we got somebody at work at work yeah stressful it's very stressful how you been sleeping i sleep i have thyroid disease so i sleep pretty good anyway she had been sleeping very well okay well i wanted to talk to you again um about friday morning the 5th of october now let's go over what happened with you that morning okay okay tell me everything from that starting okay when you got up and let's go through the story all right i got up and i realized that uh well i realized the night before i didn't have any more lower tasks right okay and i remember my friend had told me that there was a guy over there i might have been on the wrong road i don't even know who's your friend brady she told me that you know she knew a guy his name was eric he lived on holly mill something she kind of gave me the directions and so i said all right well i'm gonna get up and i'm gonna go over there and see if i if the lights are on or something i'll knock on the door and let him know i know her so i got over there and i'm like i said i might have been on the wrong road i don't know but i chickened out there was no lights on none of the houses on that road so my car wasn't crank so i walked up to gail's because i knew girl lived there i was kind of scared she had saved me ride by and she'd be like what are you doing over here you know what i mean so i knocked on the door she came to the door i said gail can i have something to drink my car broke down and i got a pee i had to pee really bad right she said yeah so we walked and she walked me into the bathroom there was no toilet paper and i had to holler together there's no toilet paper so she just cracked the door and you know kind of threw it in there to me well i came out and i said well get me something to drink she kind of stayed in her bedroom the whole time and i got me something to drink and i heard the door shut because i was at the sink and so i hollered through the door i said yeah i'm gonna go try my car if i don't come back if i don't come back you'll know i got it and saying but if not i'm going to come back you might take me home so i'm getting ready to come to work and why'd you go over to gales i told i just told you that why did you go over there why because i was kind of scared she had saw me ride by or something because i knew she was up because she's told me that she gets up early every morning so if you were scared that she saw you right by one would you go over there because i because i was scared she saw me and then she'd be like what are you doing over here and i'm not gonna say oh i'm over here trying to find some drugs all right so anyway you know what i mean so you go back to your car continue okay i get back to my car and i try and it cranks up and so i and i go and i go home i get my son up i get him ready for school i get ready i take him to school and i go straight to work your son my 15 year old okay to 15 i thought you said you had two i do but the 17 year old don't go to school what's their names uh scott and dawn scott and dominic okay um so you get dressed take them to school and then what i went straight to work what time did you get to work about 8 30. okay what kind of car were you driving my car your car you have what uh honda civic okay what color silver all right was there anybody with you when when you went over to where gail is no nobody was with me nobody was in the car did you ever use gayle's phone no i did not use gail's phone okay all right um what's wrong with your car the bat i think the battery cable gets loose sometimes because it does it only often okay so usually when it don't crank the first thing you would do is shut that battery cable right that or just sit there for a little bit and i'll finally got to finally crank i don't know why it does it but i guess it just it needed tightening but that morning you decided not to sit there and wait or jiggle around with it you just walked over to gail yeah i was nervous i was scared because i never knew i never knew this guy i don't i'm not wanting to go about drugs i really didn't know what to do with myself you know what i mean so i said well i'm just going to walk over to gail's i was scared she saw me give me something to drink i was about to die of thirst and i had to pee really bad so i said i'll just walk up here and i knew she had been sick you know she was sick wednesday i didn't get to see her thursday at work what was she wearing was she in her pajamas no she i think she had no work clothes like what i i can't i'd be honest i can't remember it seems like it was a um it's like it was like an orangey top or something like that but no she had work clothes on she i know it went pajamas okay and she told me she said well i gotta get ready and she like i said she hauled that back to her bedroom she didn't want to deal with me or something she got a glass of water right yeah i got me a glass of water okay was it a glass a cup it was a green coat green cup okay so you can remember it was a green cup but you can't remember what guest yeah but i guess because i you know i looked at it but like i said because she came to the door and she like hauled butt back to her bedroom okay i couldn't tell you what i had on that morning well let's do this let me go ahead and let you know this okay okay all right and i'm not trying to be rude or mean all right but i am going to be firing with you okay all right tracy um the lord tab deal going over there to eric's and everything all right i've already confirmed that's a lot that's a lot listen listen listen to me okay listen tracy i don't know if you haven't gotten yourself i don't know if you were involved in this from from the beginning or if you got drug into it didn't mean to but your story about going over there to get drugs i've already done i've already been talking to people that said no no it's a lie okay and the fact that you knew where gail lived at no that's a lie too all right so listen only thing you're going to do is make it harder on yourself so let's stop the [ __ ] do you want to help yourself or do you want to go deeper i'm not bullshitting i don't know what happened to her she was fine when i left that's all i know how how would i have anything to do with what happened to her i also know that you weren't alone yes i was alone no tracy okay all right okay okay negative you were not okay you have kids yes i do okay you have a fifteen-year-old yes i do right how would you other seventeen okay do you you're 15 year old right he's still in school still basically a baby everything else okay you need to start thinking about him okay i know that all right so you need to start thinking about him now are you going to keep lying to me or not i'm not lying why would i have anything to do with anything we know better tracy we know better okay okay we know better all right we know we know things already all right okay so now you're gonna sit here and lie or not i mean i'm not lying i've i've told you everything all right you didn't go over there to get no lower tabs yes i do all right who gave you the information my friend brandi brandie hoody fulford okay so if i talk to brandy is brandi gonna say yeah yeah i told her she i'm sure she will but her husband don't know she takes laura tab so i don't know okay but she told me that i'm not i don't have anything to do with none of this and it's really it's it's really breaking my heart that i like gail i love gail i don't know what happened to gail but i know that she's dead i know she's dead and you don't think that don't upset all of us all of us isn't who me and everybody at work yeah it's driving us crazy let's do this tracy okay let's do this let's put it all right you are there at gail's house that morning gail is getting ready you said to go to work it looked like she was to me okay gail doesn't show up to work all right and we all thought that was weird okay then saturday morning at 3 3 30 saturday morning she's found dead in her house still with her work clothes on you are the last person to see her like i don't mean i had anything to do with it i don't know you are i know you're gonna have to convince me i know i didn't why do you think i would look why do you think i was telling you i don't know if there's something that you got drugged into i promised you i'd have okay no if i if i knew what happened to her i would be that i would have done came to you and told you because i'm that type of person i would have done came down here and said this is what i think happened or this is what i don't know it was just a question i've got two different versions that you told about what happened that you were taking a friend home and i told you why i told my work that that doesn't make any sense i didn't want them to know i was over there looking for drugs you didn't have to tell them that okay well but it doesn't see let me put yourself in my shoes would that make any sense to you i understand why i don't make no sense to you okay but that was the way i i mean if you think i had anything to do with that why would i even tell my work i went by there i mean that would have been stupid that's true that's right i don't know i've seen a lot of stupid things all of this is just a coincidence that i happen to be by there of course it is i can never do nothing to hurt anybody i didn't say that you heard him and i couldn't have anything to do with any of it there's no way i could have anything to do with her i loved her i can't even handle that job without her there it's driving me crazy tracy tracy listen i know okay i don't but you don't know how stressed i am you have no idea without her there it's driving me crazy it's driving me nuts i really just want to quit my job because i don't i don't know that i can do it without her there and but i can't leave him there with it because none of them like we have a closing day at three o'clock none of them know how to do it but me and i just had to walk up and leave everything they don't know how to do it and i can't walk up and leave them like that i promise you if i know anything or if i knew anything i would be the first one down here telling you now if y'all think i had something to do with it i mean what do i need to do first of all he's not saying anything to do with it no he's saying you have a lot more information and you don't you may not even really have any more information because the people that we got in this you know every single one of them yeah you do yeah you do you do yes you do yes you do what did i tell you tracy i told you we know things we already know okay we already know trace yes tracy we do okay i'm confused the people the same people that you know okay are involved in this i don't understand how i would know anybody involved in any of this who all do you know man i know a lot of people but i asked you yesterday who all the people that you hang out with or that you're around you were only able to give me one name i had one of your co-workers came down here and was able to give me three or four names that you that that they know that you have mentioned that you hang around with well i mean of course i have friends like my friend tessa okay keep going tessa and um let me think another girl named tess brandy um i mean i have friends i hang out with i i even asked you about guy friends you only have to give me what was the name that you gave me jason woody i know jason law i mean but i don't really hang out with any guy friends okay um i just say nothing about hanging out all right people that you know people that you may socialize with from time to time you know you were only able to give us that jason woody's name yesterday is that right that's right your co-worker came down here and i asked her about names that you may have brought up people that you hang out with or whatever and she was able to give me a mic a john a brent and she's just a co-worker okay first off i don't know no mike oh mike wassworth that's my friend stephanie's husband okay um i know her brent joyner but me and him don't even talk or anything he was brent joyner i went to school with him okay uh scott chapman knows him okay but i'll never talk to him or hang out with him um and who was the other one there was a john the only john i know is john rowland i believe and that was my third husband's best friend and i'll never talk to him so i don't know where their names came from what about friends of your sons they come over to your house i mean he's got friends like who um let's see jeremy and daniel don't really come over there anymore um i'm trying to think jeremy uh hunter nick i mean he's got a lot of friends that come in and out of there anybody that frequents often yeah they all do they all come over there just about every day who else i mean you really want me to sit here and name all their names my son's friends wouldn't have nothing to do with this okay did i say that they were seeing to 17 years old that doesn't mean nothing i've no i've we've worked we're 14 years of kill people okay i guess i just can't imagine that it happens trust me i can't imagine that it would happen i couldn't never imagine anything like this would happen again well it did i know it did and i can't stand it and i'm sorry but i don't know how more i can help you you said you know a brett who a brant joyner brent joyner right okay how about that brett kelly that's my son's friend okay you didn't name him i mean i forget some of them i just talked that right off the right off your tongue right then i just told you that he's got a lot of friends a lot and just but that name as soon as i said it wasn't like well hold on a second because of their friends okay you were able to pop that name right out right out your mind okay you went over to gales for a specific reason it wasn't because your car broke down like i said i don't know okay if you were put into this situation okay and i'm sorry if you were and you didn't want to be but you would drug into it or i don't know if you were in on it from the day from get go okay so what you're going to have to do is you have to tell us all right i don't i don't know what else i can tell you what uh what business is it 233 peachtree street atlanta georgia it's a passport place why would you need a passport place because i would like to go out of town one day out of town yeah one day i plan on me and my kids and going to the bahamas or somewhere as soon as we can just for a couple of days are you aware that it's an expedited passport place no what is that that means they do it fast two weeks and it costs a lot of money uh yeah i understand you know you can get a passport at cvs yeah long range i didn't know you could just go in yeah it just takes longer it only costs a little bit money yeah i didn't know that when did you contact this basketball place um i don't know one day last week one day last week you don't remember what day no i don't remember what day who'd you speak to me i called them okay and who always plan on going with you on this trip um well i want to take my boys but there's some things i have to get their daddy to do who's our daddy leonard scott daniel leonard scott daniel okay so why would brett's name be involved in it because him and my son are very good friends and he wanted to go with us you said one day you're talking like it's going to be next week well i mean i would like to go soon you don't know if that boy next i mean you're talking about one day you said no you said one day tracy you said one day now if i tell him one day i'd like to get married that might could be a year five ten years from now but i'm not going to go out and buy it you are just you're taking my words and you're and i'm just we're telling you exactly how we take it all right that's what you told us we're just repeating exactly back to you i just said you said one day that doesn't mean next week if you were going to go next week or next month or even a year then you would have said well we're getting ready we have plans just like people do on a cruise well next year we're going to go on cruise but you said one day one day and then you then you said brett one day i i'm gonna take breath do you see tracy it's not adding up everything i completely understand it's not enough i completely do but i i've told y'all everything i've told you everything no traction yes i have no okay well here's the deal i'm going to let you know this now okay how do you think that gail died i don't know all i know is what patsy told me okay homicide do you know what homicide means that means murder she was murdered tracy the person that you worked with every single day okay this 58 year old woman that has a son that had two little grandbabies okay all right that she loved all right she was murdered she didn't commit suicide she was falling in her head she was murdered by someone brutally brutally murdered and possibly even raped yes yes tracy right yes she was raped okay asphyxiation which means she was held down okay and someone suffocated her to death all right not pretty okay i just left the autopsy all right this woman who's never hurt anyone in her life that's done everything and that she's supposed to do she raised a child single mother on her own worked hard every single day to provide a life for him okay every day she's worked she's 58 years old she was still getting up every day and going to work all right hadn't heard a soul never been in trouble in her life paid all her bills done exactly what she was supposed to do and then someone comes inside her house and kills her and not only killed or pops possibly even sexually assaulted how does that make you feel that makes me feel awful okay and the last person that was there was she i know how do you think that makes me feel i didn't say that you killed her tracy i didn't say that i did not say that at all i've never said that but you know more and we already know if you hadn't figured that out by now come on i'm trying to give you a robe to pull yourself out of this girl that's what i'm trying to do i'm not trying to hurt you i'm trying to give you a row now you can do one of two things either you can take it and save yourself or you can drown with the rest of them i don't know anything else and what i've told you all right well i wish i did i wish i could sit here and tell you something that would help but i don't you want to tracy i can look in your face i don't know if i had something to tell you i swear to god i would tell you because i love gail everybody that knew you and gail said that you and gail did not get along and yet we didn't get along with the office sometimes but we talked all the time you talked all the time yeah we would sit down in there in that break room in the smoke room in calder's office and she would tell me things about her and her family and i promise i will tell you if i knew more i would tell you you said earlier that if i spoke to brandy your friend that told you where this this area lived at right mm-hmm that she would she would say that she did didn't she she gave me let me go and let you know something i had brandy fulford okay who's now brandi caves down here yesterday after you left okay and brandi says she don't have a clue what you're talking about yeah because she don't want she don't want her husband i don't know she's not gonna get herself involved in this okay she said rachel said she don't have a clue what you're talking about and she doesn't even know know eric said that you guys aren't even really that close oh i know you're lying now because we're very i'm fine okay well she lied because we're very close we talk almost every day i don't know your definition of closed up seem to be the same as ours no we've got your co-workers and everything else saying that that gail didn't care too much for you because gail didn't care too much for me i had no idea about it because as far as i knew me and gail were fine well you know we have fingerprints okay you know house and fingerprints and stuff like that no all right so you know people's prints are going to be at the house all right so your prints are going to be there they should be i mean i won't didn't they all right and see generally you know what i'm what i was talking to you earlier about okay and you sit here and say that you went i don't have no involvement with it or whatever all right now what's going to happen because generally you know all the suspects they will usually during you know the interviews they're going to admit to it because they know about these fingerprints right and then what's going to happen when they say tracy was there ain't nobody gonna say i was there they're not you sure about that positive okay i'm positive because we've already talked to people other people before we brought you down because they're not gonna say i was here i was there or whatever you know i was in the house i told you i was in the house the second time i was not in the house the second time the first time you told your co-workers you never even went in the house that you used no i did too tell them i went in the house because i told them i had to pee why are they they're adamant about it i don't know because i told them i had to pee and i was about to die thirst i was so thirsty well i don't have any reason to lie tracy well undoubtedly they don't just remember or something because i know what i said i told them i went in the house they have a pretty vivid story about what you said the first time to them that morning when you got to work okay i don't know i didn't need lunch because some feet didn't fit a lot of [ __ ] today why would brett need a passport because we were all going to go out of town you're all going to go out of town you said that before obviously out of the country yeah yeah you don't need a passport to go to alabama yeah know that you do if you want to go to mexico if you want to go on a cruise or how about canada bullsh whoops that one caught you guys in canada why would he get one in canada what do you mean in canada he didn't get a passport in canada you're gonna sit here and you're just gonna [ __ ] me all day long aren't you i'm not bullshitting you yes you are i mean you don't even have a trip planned according to you and he goes and get a passport just like that it was just something we decided to go up there and get a passport did y'all go up there together yeah what day thursday the day you called out sick and said you're taking your mama to the yeah where see what i'm saying i see what you're saying who always with y'all i know there's more than more than just you and brett it's me brett and his sister here's your sister courtney courtney haye kelly courtney callie how about a shelly callie i don't know killer did you see lucky okay i understand now why would he go up there and get a passport for canada that day i don't know i didn't know that he got one for canada you were there yeah i was there but i didn't i mean i when you get a passport i didn't realize it had where you were going there is no way tracy that you're going to drive someone to atlanta to get a passport and not know where they're going just out of curiosity if i took this man to atlanta if he said to me hey can you take me up to atlanta to get a passport all right there's going to be a conversation at some point where are you going where are you going what are you doing yeah because we i i just told you that we he wanted we were all planning on going somewhere where i just told you okay i mean come on you haven't told us where no i told you i won't either with mexico or will you take those are just a bunch of that's just you're just having off dates exactly so when i go get my kids passports we can just get up and go if we want to it ain't got to be no rigmarole i'll just ask you where did you get the passport for and you said you didn't know no i told you a minute ago so we could all go together now where he was good i didn't know you could get a passport and say okay i need a passport to go to such and such tracy what let me just be blunt with you you're full of [ __ ] okay and there isn't anybody in this room that believes you okay what was it you get a phone call to come over there and pick somebody up no i didn't do this is that what that was no is that what it was that's why you didn't get dressed for work yet that's why you had to run over there pick them up and then go back and get dressed and then go into work no it's not it's not no okay did you take someone over there no i did not i went by myself who's lisa i don't know you don't know elise at all you sure about that i'm pretty positive i don't know is it positive or not i don't know what that i can think of no i don't think i know elisa lisa kirby i don't know familiar to you who lisa kirby i don't think i know that sound for me she related to bret what's your relationship with brett he's my son's friend is he anything else hey what i'm getting okay do i need an attorney because i didn't say you did i mean y'all are sitting here acting like i had something to do with this and i did not watch it we're saying that definitely we're saying that all these people's names have come up all right i don't understand how but you know i don't know it's a kirby i don't know shelly kelly yeah there's something we'll take one together we'll take courtney kelly that's fine brett yeah you know brett but all these people that you know tracy that you know no forced entry into her house over there somebody didn't break in and do it to her i mean i don't know how they got in and ain't like i have a key to let him in oh she knows you i was there for five minutes and that same day she ends up murdered i know i know that and i feel like [ __ ] but i didn't have anything to do with it and you said they what are you talking about you said that i never who said there was more than one person over their house what are you talking about what are you talking about they i said i didn't have anything to do with it i'll talk to you further tracy if you need to make a phone call or something like that go ahead hi where y'all at hey where are y'all at okay mate tell scotty to make sure donut has a way home hey make sure to donate make sure he's got a way home because i'm probably gonna be down here for a little bit i'm probably gonna be down here for a little bit so just text dominant make sure he's got a way home okay make sure dominic has a way home okay i might be down no not really i love you hey one i want to remind you at any point in time that's your hand nobody's in here you're gonna have to beat on that door loud because we're all around the corner if you need to go to the bathroom or something okay i don't know a lot about this case okay i only know certain aspects and so forth it's a horrible thing tracy what i want you to understand these investigators that are in here that work hard they're very good at what they do very good at what they do um and when i and when i heard your name i said hey i'll go pick her i'm familiar with it their attitude wasn't that you've done anything wrong they felt like they'd been lied to okay but it was that there's a medicine link there that you hold that they already know you hold but the problem is just right here they want to believe everything you're telling them i don't understand what what that's what i'm about to explain to you everything they want to believe everything you tell them because there's one little piece here that you're not going to tell them makes them wonder how much of this other they can believe okay and nobody here is saying that that you committed a crime okay nobody here saying that you knew for sure that somebody else committed a crime it's kind of like for instance you know we come up together if you saw me walking down the road and i needed a ride you may pick me up give me a ride or if i had happened to bump into you let's say at the bar a couple nights ago you said hey scott here's my number call me sometime and all of a sudden two days later i said hey tracy i know i just bought a chipotle i need to ride can you come get me and you come pick me up you may not know i got ten thousand dollars with the dope in my pocket yeah you sell them yeah okay and you may not realize that you break that that we breaking the law riding down the road you see what i'm saying but you get a phone call and you're trying to help me out [ __ ] man next thing you know the problem is picking you up what the hell what do you mean but if you said hell i didn't see scott chapman they're gonna be like wait a minute we know she saw scott chapman damn she must have knew he had that dope she's worried about getting in trouble you see what i'm saying yeah but if you said yeah i picked this dumb ass up yeah i gave him a ride what's the [ __ ] problem they go yeah she didn't know he had a dope because there's no reason to lie yeah you see what i'm saying and that's all it is um nobody here you know is nobody thinks you're a horrible person nobody thinks you're a bad person nobody here thinks that that truthfully they just think you're scared okay a friend of yours got killed okay and the last thing you want to do is be implemented as part of that even if it was by accident because the last thing you want to have to deal with that at work you know yeah you know hey yeah these fools they got me tied into stuff i didn't know what was going on and it's hard for somebody in those shoes to say that because they're worried how they're gonna be judged out there okay and so trust me when i tell you i feel your pain okay but trust me when i tell you that little bit of pain ain't nothing you understand that's something you can get over in time you understand this is something very serious that ain't going anywhere that little [ __ ] that you may be worried about people at work or something like that looking at you sideways or what people on the streets may think okay who cares man you've got to be honest with them that's the thing though i am being honest i don't understand sweetheart i want you to understand something my heart goes out to you i know you got to hate this room right yeah because it wasn't that long ago you know what i'm saying i know you got to hate this room you're not telling the whole truth and let all right listen to me now i'm real good at what i do okay and it's always tough in my job when i'm in a room or like this with somebody i know okay because i know where your heart i know you love them babies you know what i'm saying you love them babies everybody's always talking about how you love them babies so there's nothing that anybody's gonna say that's gonna make me look at you like a horrible person you understand yeah people who don't know you don't know you okay but it's real important we don't want people to look at you like a horrible person if you start if you continue not to tell the truth about everything they don't know you like i do they don't know that maybe you got directed down the wrong path by some [ __ ] that you're not a heinous person okay i can tell them all day long yeah but and they love me you know what i'm saying and they're gonna wonder what chapman said it straight you know what i'm saying but at the same time at the end of the day when they know what they know and you're sitting here going what are you talking about it's i'm gonna go ahead and tell you even though i know you and then if i didn't know you that whole [ __ ] about i just happened to be in that neighborhood that morning and my car broke down and it started back up i mean if it was my own mother's day and i'll be going damn i'm just come up some better [ __ ] than that you know that really is what happened i understand but i'm just i'm just saying i just said mom i mean if i'm gonna take that off if i had anything to do with that why would i have even told the same reason they all do i would never went to work that that's the same reason they all do sweetheart see that doesn't mean anything to an investigator and i'm gonna tell you why i've never interviewed a murder suspect that didn't put himself there prior to the murder you know why because they already know we're gonna get their fingerprints and if they say they weren't there at all and we get their prints they're done yeah so they always say yeah i was there earlier today i understand but but see we can tell by certain tests like a fingerprint where that fingerprint was put there three months ago before it was put there yesterday so and anybody who watches csr on tv you know know i mean i hate those shows they tell they tell everybody what we can do yeah but they all say yeah i was there but i wasn't there when that happened because they don't want to get caught in that lie yeah so they always admit to being there so by you saying if those investigators come in here if you say why would i do that sweetheart every one of them always done it they always do that that's all part of but the thing about it because i know you i know you're not capable of doing what i know happened to this woman yeah okay but there's no thing there's no doubt in my mind sweetheart regardless what you say and that's what you know when when they come out they talk to him they tell me and i i shake my own head because i said don't make no sense i don't know why she's saying it like that and i asked him i said i'm gonna go around and talk to him and this isn't my case so i wouldn't be in here right now if they hadn't approved it but i said i know give me an opportunity to go in and just talk to them i you know me i i take what happens i have to take them i have i have osteo i mean arthritis everywhere and i have to take them a friend of mine stole half more time from my pocketbook uh i said it was either brandy or it was um amy my cousin amy it was either one of them i don't know which one they both have because y'all you met up with me downtown not too long ago yeah see that's what i'm saying we real good about finding out everything yeah you know what i'm saying oh yeah i'm sure you are so so anyway i i knew i was out and she had done told me about this person who is she brandi i don't care what she says she did you know i had brandy [ __ ] in that chair yes i'm let me explain something to you about about brandy or about people in general there's certain things that we do to ensure that we're being told true like for instance if i say did you rob that rob that marathon no show didn't you rob that kind of code last week yeah now why admit to the control not admit admit to the marathon season brandon we talked to brandon we got a lot of truth out of brandy i feel like okay now i'm not going to tell you every aspect of our conversation because it wouldn't be fair to those investigators but the truth is i don't give a [ __ ] what brandon told you there's too many things in that that just sounds like [ __ ] and i'm telling you i'm only telling you this because i don't want to see you look like a monster you can continue to tell them what you want to but they know it's [ __ ] okay all right now they may let you chill in here for five minutes they may let you chill on here for 15 minutes before they come back but trust me when i tell you if you continue to tell that lie and i'm not saying that you got to say scott they ain't a lot you ain't got to tell me nothing i'm only telling you that if you continue to tell that lie they already know it's a lot they can prove that lie they already know it i'm the only reason why i'm in here right now and i'm not going to tell you how they can prove it the only reason why they're asking you isn't because they want to know they just want to see how honest of a person you are that's it because they already know the truth you understand they're just trying to figure out what side of the fence you're standing on you understand because it's kind of like shane to me everybody knows i love shane anderson yeah you know what i'm saying so if something ever happened and with shane and i was the one that interviewed him people gonna have to wonder yeah what came first my loyalty to shame or my loyalty to the job regardless of no matter how well i do my job no matter how hard i work to keep my integrity intact here there's always going to be that people that we work around them every day that i always want to thank the worst always wondering tracy you're lying now you can continue to lie if you want to but they already know it okay they know you're lying it's only a matter of time before things blow up and you go down i wish i'd told them and the truth is one i won't lie even if i knew specific dynamics about this case i wouldn't tell you yeah okay but the truth is i don't know i only know bits and pieces and the only reason why they're coming to me with it is because it's you that's sitting here and they know i know you and they come to me hey man she this kind of person she just got a person i'd be like look man she's a good momma yeah you know what i'm saying she's a good mama i say you know she likes to party [ __ ] how many times you see me drunk in a club i like to party you know what i mean i mean if she's guilty of that i'm guilty of that you know what i'm saying because i love my babies i love to drink that stupid too you know i'm saying i said that's what i know about her you know it is what it is and um but when they say well scott this is what she's telling us and i'm going okay okay and they're saying scott look and i'm going oh [ __ ] why would she lie about that because tracy i know you're lying they're very good at what they do i've seen what it is you're lying yes it's okay i don't judge you for whatever reason you want to lie that's on you because this is the thing it's like back in my wild days when i i've always been a good daddy and always been the best husband you know what i'm saying a lot of women in my life hand there this and there and i can remember being confronted i'd have to make a choice right then okay if i was gonna lie i was gonna have to be willing to carry the weight of that lie you know what i'm saying well i could tell the truth okay and deal with what comes that's a choice i have to i had to make many times in my life okay you are making that choice right now okay and but we're not talking about a man we're not talking about your boyfriend or your husband thinking you're cheating we're talking about a dead woman you understand there's a lot of weight there you feel me and my heart goes out to you because if you lie you're going to be carrying away to that okay nobody finds your butts about it they can prove that lie all day long and i'm just letting you know that don't lie to them anymore because that little bit of [ __ ] that you lying about let it go man i'm telling you i know the lies that you told i've seen it i can look at it and i'm telling you now unless you want every bit of this right here on this table to look like a lie when you may be telling the truth about all the way up to here and lying about this but when you lie about this guess what all this becomes in their eyes yeah a [ __ ] lie it's all a lot of them because how can they believe anything you say just kind of like how let's say you drop me off somewhere they may say hey did you pick scott chapman up really you go hell no cause you didn't you dropped me off but they only give you an opportunity to say no i dropped him off you see what i'm saying or if they say hey did you drop him off no i picked that [ __ ] up he went home with me you know what i'm saying he stayed with me all night they're not going to tell you what to say they got to know that you read into it and you were wanting to be honest you feel me i'm gonna there's really no point in continuing to lie to him how do you want me to handle when i walk back out there okay you don't have to tell me the truth but i won't i know they're gonna ask me dude she's gonna be straight up when i go back in there because whether you straight up with them or not they already know the lie because i know the lie and you know the lie you ain't got to admit it to me but you know the lie are you going to be straight up with them or not i mean i don't i really don't know what i'm lying about i don't i don't know what i'm lying about okay i'm gonna ask you directly okay remember i said we can ask certain questions to see how you come back out a different way when you went over there to that neighborhood was anybody with you no okay did anybody call you to come that neighborhood no okay did you pick anybody up in that neighborhood no okay did anybody call you in reference to looking out for something or checking on something or anything come on tracy no not that that i remember what do you mean call me tracy you're lying you're lying you're lying what am i lying about your line about why you were in that neighborhood i was really tracy stopped it drugs listen to me sure whatever tracy you're lying baby i'm trying to tell you it's really ridiculous why you're lying it doesn't make any sense nobody here passes judgment you know we see the worst things down here okay we deal with people doing all kinds of things they locked up the old man for child molestation right yeah okay i mean we see the worst [ __ ] and when i see scott i feel like what's up buddy you know what i'm saying we do our job at the end of the day okay it's up to a judge jury and the dudes ought to decide people's faith we're like secretaries we document it all we find protocols making arrests we do so they decide your faith we have no say-so in that okay we you don't have to worry about people looking at you like you're awful okay but when you lie they think they're awful you understand we don't pass we know about brett okay we know about the relationship there we know we know about all that i don't even care it doesn't even matter to me it doesn't you i'm sure that's probably got some embarrassment with you right now you feel like these grown men are looking at me because i'm messing with this young boy or whatever who cares do you know how many how many grown men right here which they had a 19 or 20 year old girl you know what i'm saying who gives a [ __ ] demi moore opened that door for everybody you know what i mean so get that who cares man i don't understand what my personal relationship has anything to do with any of this okay sweetheart that investigators pretty much told you we know all the players in this deal okay you have a direct link to the victim in this crime she works with you and you have a direct link to the vic to the suspect in this case and you were in the neighborhood when everything went down you can lie all day long sweetheart but at the end of the day there's no point to lie when i picked you up today were you handcuffed no okay at any point in time does anybody advise you or your rights no so that means you're not what being arrested you're not under arrest okay right now we need a we're looking for a witness you understand that's what we came down here to talk to was a witness that has information that we know that you have now when a witness doesn't cooperate when we know that no information what do they become a suspect okay we talked about that fence a little while ago what side of the fence are you on i mean i want to be on your side okay no no because see on my side is over here you're a witness i'm not gonna lie to you sweetheart you coming real close to being a suspect no if answer butts about it let me tell you why because you're lying tracy look at me you are lying i know you're lying i know you're lying i know it they know it they're sitting around eating arby's sandwiches and stuff boys just waiting to come back in here just waiting to walk back in here in a minute and go are you [ __ ] [ __ ] you know that's what they're gonna do that's what they're gonna do why for what help me understand you got a little boy toy who gives a [ __ ] if he did something [ __ ] stupid and if you know about it you need this stop sweetheart be real careful about what i know because i've already told you at the beginning of this conversation what i'm not gonna tell you everything i know yeah let me ask you this how long has this relationship been going on with you and brett since like march since march okay he been to work with you no he's brought me to work before he come in and hung out no he ever met this woman that got killed hell no he ain't so if we know he committed a crime and the only way the only link to the victim in this case is who i don't understand how he could have done this how could he not have why wouldn't he let me ask you a question sweetheart we're not gonna go through all that okay i'm only gonna tell you what how many times have you been picked up and brought down here three times okay all hopefully the tech is hoping that you can provide information in this case how many times they picked up everybody else i don't know you think that that's just weird i mean they i don't know i don't know how many times they like once yeah some of them none you've been here three times oh this second time i've been down here for this same time yeah okay i mean it is what it is there's only one link between the suspect in this case and the victim in this case but that i mean i don't understand i just i don't don't know that made no sense okay y'all ain't got passports right yeah for what because i want to go out of town sweetheart listen to me that sounds [ __ ] i know it doesn't mean i'm going back and taking the boys i understand i understand that doesn't even make any sense i plan if you want to go out of town with your boys don't nobody want to make two trips atlanta okay but i didn't have all their stuff that doesn't matter i don't know so were you gonna take brett with you when you went out of town with your boys yeah and i was planning on going back up there this week until all this let me ask you is brett your friend or your son he's my son's friend okay and your son doesn't know about this relationship was your son with you when y'all went that loud no what day was it you took him to it thursday and you got you one too let me tell you there's one piece of something that i've said here that you know is [ __ ] and i already know what it is because see i already know the lies that you told already know okay so therefore i know what you know and you know when i say that you're the only link you knew that was a lie right then okay there is another link to the victim in this case and you know that yes you do okay and i saw it cross your mind i wanted to see what your face looked like when i said that because you know i'm gonna walk out i really really am really just so confused now there's nothing to be confused about you wasn't in that neighborhood cause your car broke down they [ __ ] know it i know it you know it i was in the neighborhood to find drugs okay they know how i was in the neighborhood we know why you were in that neighborhood okay period and i'm gonna go ahead and tell you some stupid-ass boy toy ain't worth i know the dumb [ __ ] no sweetheart i think you're trying to figure it out i think you're trying to decide i think you're trying to figure out buck you know is it if i do something about this am i going to get in trouble let me ask you a question what do you think looks worse i've already told you no police officer down here decides anybody's fate that's up to the district attorney a judge in a jury we're like freaking secretaries we do all the work and labor in the streets they decide to fake the case when they deciding the people's fate in this case let's say i got a guy sitting here for robbing a store when he says man [ __ ] you cuz you know what the [ __ ] you talking about let's say during that robbery an old lady got shot in the leg or shot in the head or whatever he looks at me like [ __ ] i should say when people are looking at that they're gonna see what a [ __ ] monster damn that joker don't even give a [ __ ] he feels no remorse or if he said man oh man that happened i never thought that was gonna happen when the people look at that and he says man my kids were hungry the people who do decide your fate in this case do you want them to view you as a liar or someone who may have got caught up in [ __ ] feels bad about that's up to you sweetheart i can tell you right now when those investigators get done writing this up at the end of the day you're a liar and i already know it i'm not judging you for lying we all go through hard times and we all have to get away to that we've all lied it happens sweetheart to lie about something like this is something that your shoulders ain't big enough you understand no matter how bad you want to carry the weight of this your shoulders can't do it you know i'm right they can't do it tracy why help me understand because i know you're lying tracy you're lying why help me understand help me go out here and tell these guys what the [ __ ] man because i'm honestly not lying i was in that neighborhood to find drugs tracy fine that's [ __ ] we know what's going on they know what's going on okay it is what it is it may have been that you were going to take a trip i believe that that's all women talk about taking a trip and you know what i believe you little boy toy i believe he saw it as an opportunity yeah yeah let's get some passports no i think you got reeled into some [ __ ] and never saw it coming i think you never saw it coming i'm gonna go ahead and tell you this protect him if you want to but i own it i don't understand i'm going to tell you right now those investigators that were sitting right here they own him they own him ain't your boy toy no more that song carl michael and detective schuller's boy from this point on from this day forward any chores you understand it's up to you sweetheart let me ask you a question you ever seen what a little young boy does when he's sitting in a chair interviewed by the technician thinking about he may spend the rest of his life in prison they cry like little girls i'm so sorry especially when i get done with my little story about the monster or feeling you know like you feel bad about it that it's going to happen it don't matter how many times you call him and i said out there well she don't call him i told him that she gonna call him and we laugh because it don't matter it don't matter how many times you call it from right here in this room it ain't gonna it doesn't matter i'm saying if you did if you caught him 50 times right here it's the same end result it doesn't matter it doesn't we'll laugh we will it's the same end result he's gonna do the same exact thing sitting right here then it really don't matter if he even says anything they only there's no doubt i just don't believe he did this you don't have to and i want to believe that i don't i want to say there's no way tracy knew he did this i don't believe he did this well then that's my point that's the point we're trying to get at tracy you don't believe he did this okay you don't believe he did this there's no point lying about this right here then you can tell the truth about this if you truly didn't know he did this i don't i mean because i ain't telling as far as i know i am telling the truth i went in that neighborhood to find drugs i had been up late we had been up late who's we drinking the tattoo guy was over there who's we who's the tattoo guy uh seth seth who arnold okay and said i thought i don't know who else was there uh my son and some of my son's friends let me ask you this was brett there yeah he was there at your house that night what night was that um thursday night thursday night sweetheart you're off you're so close to being there it's unreal you're so close to telling the damn truth right now it's unreal i'm going to ask you a thousand questions that i already know the answers to the only thing is is at the end of the day when i walk out here and say that girl's a jam up mama she loves her boys don't mind a boy toy or what she's a mama first you understand sweetheart you continue to [ __ ] lie about this and it don't [ __ ] matter how good of a mama you are your kids are gonna be you know i'm saying this is bad you understand because people are going to look at you like you're a monster like you're alive i know they are because okay sweetheart we know that while you're in that neighborhood it may have been to keep that boy from doing something stupid because you got a win of what was fitting to go down it may have been for this and the truth is i already know but if you don't tell it then [ __ ] it there's a reason why you were there that you lying about it and it's gonna get to a point tracy well i'm gonna say [ __ ] it because i can only beg you to take this weight off your shoulder so long but i don't i don't understand what okay i can't take him over there he didn't go he didn't ride back home with me so let me ask you this when you left that morning was he still at your house yes okay when you got back was he still at your house was he with you when you went over there no stop stop he was not why would he be in the car with me oh my god i'm not saying he was in the car with you sweetheart i'm real good at what i do i'm not saying he's in the car with you he could have been right in front of you or right [ __ ] behind you no no not nobody was in front of you behind me sweetheart we nobody were there why was i there why am i going to tell you everything i was there to freaking find drugs by who who would you buy from yeah the third house on the right i could have been on the wrong road white wool black boy he's white she said he was white his name was eric and she had bought tabs from him before so you could call brandy right now and her not knowing that i'm sitting there saying hey tell me about that guy there and if that's the truth on your phone she'll go yeah i told you it was the third house on the left but if she says what the [ __ ] are you talking about we're gonna have a problem are you willing to do that yeah call put it on the speaking phone right here now it depends on who's around her because if she's at home and her husband's around her she's not gonna say yeah she won't her husband won't know what you're asking just saying was it just say was it the second or third house the only reason why i let you make that phone call right there was for you to put yourself in a position where you start telling the truth because i already know the truth i was just going to let you embarrass yourself not for the fate of me getting some glory out of it but only hoping that you would say damn scott what do i do let me ask a question do you not trust me yeah i trust you because you know i could have stayed out there and not even got involved in this yeah i know i didn't i didn't have to come in here okay because i'm gonna be honest with you i don't but it involves people i know okay i don't get involved all right tracy don't you look at me it don't matter how you smirk or whatever i've seen it i've seen what they got it's indisputable do you what do people do as their biggest downfall what do you mean this diary of the mouth okay they talk to people they think that they can trust then you we've been around the block a few times we've learned how easy people run their mouth do you think some dumb kid has when you was his age did you had you learned that lesson yet no your boy tour is a [ __ ] [ __ ] i just don't see how he could have done that i'm gonna tell you right now he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] he's so stupid and he's talking to people about this okay and the reason why we know certain things is because he's whispering into the phone okay with you in the car you can hear you talking in the background okay you're right there with him so we know when and when he wasn't the people he's talking to are [ __ ] recording this conversation don't you know people are telling their old brother for crime stoppers money for [ __ ] ten dollars they get a six pack of beer we got people they're telling all mama to sit for a six-pack a bit you know what i'm saying so when you say that you wasn't with him at certain times we know that's a lie we know that's a lie we know it but he wasn't sweetheart either listen to what i'm saying he may have been talking to somebody we got times when you were in the car with him and we got times when you weren't in the car with him but he was talking about himself and he was talking about you and things he was going to do you understand after he had done something stupid and before he'd done something stupid stop it there's nothing that we have that we're willing to tell you about that implements you as knowing something about this but we do know we do know that you know some of his involvement you may not have known he was killing somebody you may not have known that he was going to commit a crime but we do know why you were there that morning let me ask you this was your son in the car with you no um nobody was in the car rewarded okay was your son in the car in front of you or behind you did your son call you to come to that neighborhood no okay then it was brad brett didn't call me to come into that sweetheart there ain't but two things will drive a woman out like that but something like this going on a mama's gonna do anything in the world they can for their children okay all right and that woman also when she's stupid about a boy will jump out and do dumb [ __ ] too and that's where i want to believe you at this stupid about a boy and that's where you are right now but nobody nobody was behind me in front of me nobody was in my car that's fine i'm not saying that i'm not saying you were following i know why you were in that neighborhood i already told you a minute ago i'm not gonna say that you dropped him off i'm gonna say that you picked him up to see if he told him you dropped them off i'm not gonna tell you you were behind somebody if you were really behind i'm gonna wait on you to tell me why you were really there you see what i'm saying do you think i believe you were behind somebody no because i wouldn't have presented the question like that sweetheart we know why you were in that neighborhood they got your dead rights on that you're lying they can prove that lie all day long i'm gonna let you know that i got no reason to lie about it right i didn't even have to come in here right you believe that right okay so they'll probably be back again about 15 20 minutes okay all right um don't lie to them you ain't got it maybe it's the fact that you know me you don't want an embarrassment with me or something like that i i tried to shoot all that out the door for you okay there's nothing to be embarrassed about with me i said i've seen it all you understand don't lie to them okay they already know you believe me when i say that they already know all right can i have something to drink yeah we'll get you something just a second um all right i ain't gonna lie they said what is he doing i said that's all i said but i told him i said i tried this is the thing most people do come in here a lot one because they're scared okay most of the time they have to be embarrassed or checked or realizes that that it is what it is for them to go and most time they start crying i'm sorry i lied i was just scared i'm gonna be honest i told him i said i'm gonna have to get that girl to a point where she realizes that she knows and then she'll lie she'll cry she'll say she's sorry and ain't no hard feelings at the end of the day what is it going to take to get there i mean i i really if i'm one okay so you don't think brett had anything to do with this i really don't i don't understand how he could so if brenton had nothing to do if you don't think brett had anything to do with this and he knows and there was no reason that he would think that you know that he had anything to do with this right yeah call him i mean why would i want to call him why would i even want to hang on sweetheart if you know he didn't have nothing to do with this and he wouldn't have any reason to think that you would then he'll answer the phone for you we both know one you're not gonna want to call him two we both know if you do call him he's not gonna answer the phone and then you know without a doubt you can't lie to me anymore he don't always answer okay well call me let's try why though put the phone down let's call i just want to get you to that place sweetheart i don't understand what i'm lying about hang on calling just so i can show that you're being honest and you're not doing anything sneaky you mind if i look at your phone while you do it yeah i don't did you just delete his number before i looked over uh-uh it's in here all right go to your recent calls i don't have any that's my i was trying to get my son a ride home baby you deleted all your recent calls before you walked in here i [Music] because you're lying no i'm not tracy you're lying you are like there's no you think i'm sitting here lying and i had something to do with that tracy i think that you're scared that he may have and you don't want to be the one to say it tracy you just you you've deleted everything i did i did delete everything and i didn't really mean to but i always do how did you accidentally delete everything let me show you how i actually didn't need to delete one thing let me show you you hit edit and clear and i accidentally hit clear all and i did not mean to okay well then go to your messages if you don't mind because i want to see if you accidentally deleted all them no i didn't i delete my messages after most of my conversations i don't with my son and i just text her earlier because i gotta talk to her about a file at work and i don't my daddy's and i didn't this one just so in case i needed it okay so you've been seeing this man since march right when was the last time you talked to him uh earlier today earlier today okay where was he at i don't i didn't ask him where he was when was the last time you saw him um yesterday you saw him yesterday where we all at when y'all saw each other at the apartment at whose apartment mom tracy please stop reminding me stop hang on i need you to stop lying to me okay because in a minute i'm gonna start looking at you like you're a monster okay come on baby that's ridiculous you've erased everything out of your phone i do stop trying to stage it don't matter how many times you smile okay listen to me you're a pretty girl you ain't gotta do that cute little green or whatever i'm not doing that that smile is something i accidentally do when i get nervous or i'm upset or listen to me look at me you know more than ever now i'm gonna be looking at you like a monster when you're deleting all that [ __ ] out of your phone don't tell me it was an accident you're lying out your ass i guess you're just lying about everybody okay you deleting all that out of your phone okay i asked you to call brady didn't drop a dime i asked you to call him why would i do that i just told you the man's a suspect in a murder investigation hang on unless you're a part of it no what you said why do i want to bring him into all this sweetheart i don't think he's here sweetheart you didn't bring him into this i brought him into this when i taught you had you said his name or did i say his name you did okay so you didn't bring him into nothing so you shouldn't have any second i said calling yourself [ __ ] my man ain't done nothing let's go we'll call it gotta find his number that's real funny baby that you can't find his number and i saw you clicking on some buttons before i ask you if i look what's his last name is it gonna be on his first name or his last name there it is right there all right let's call it put it right there put it down there where i can get it flat on the fan it's tracy hey you always say anything else brett yes this is scott how are you bud just to make sure i'm talking to the right brett that i think i'm talking to what's your last name brett kelly brett kell okay all right brett you've been making where that's some good stuff man okay let me ask you a question your girl tracy here has been honest with me okay all right i want to see if you're as honest as she has in the last hour how many times has she text messaged you in the last hour yeah five times okay all right cool let me ask you a question brett you gonna come see me i can you know who i am right i'm not sure well you know what i am right now i'm saying if she's text messaged you in the last hour you know she's down here talking to the police i've seen the messages she thought she was going to lead him but i got to him a little faster than she could so you know she's talking to the police and i already know you know that all right so you gonna come see yes sir all right you gonna come where you gonna come back to city hall um all right come to the detective bureau brett um it's located at the corner first and popular all right whether you show up or not it's gonna tell me wonders man how long is it gonna take you to get here my friend uh about 35 minutes 35 minutes all right listen now we're gonna me and tracy we're gonna hang out until you get here okay you're a good man i appreciate you brother all right bye tell me what number what that was you called it 920873 678 why's he got a six seven eight there you go i don't know a lot of people down six seven eight i need to smoke can i smoke a cigarette sweetheart i'll let you smoke cause you know what i'm gonna be honest with you i never expected in a million years that me and you was gonna ain't gonna put that phone in here six seven eight what was it again nine two oh eight seven three oh eight seven three i appreciate that um i'm gonna be honest with you i normally come in here and i use interview tactics and stuff like that to get people to tell the truth i never expected to get on this road with you i'm a little surprised i'm just being honest okay we know each other i know we wasn't the best of friends but i felt like we walked on the same side of the road for a long time and you ought to know how i've lived my life to no i don't judge everybody you know what i'm saying i know but you've lied to me so many times and everybody listen to me you've lied to me so many times it's crazy baby i know you deleted your stuff you would delete them every time you touch stop stop stop stop stop stop you know when i when i deleted it on the way here and i did not mean to sweetheart you were text messaging that man from right here no no i was not chasing him hold up baby you've been here way over an hour hang on sweetheart in just a few minutes i'm going to tell you everybody you text message don't you know we work homicide i'm sure okay how quickly do you think i'm gonna have your phone records so pretty quick bam got god okay so don't tell those lies when i can prove them that fast i know you've been text messaging him from right here and in a minute i'm gonna prove it okay all right you've lied there's no ear fancy butts about it and guess what your man ain't gonna show up okay he ain't coming hell no he ain't coming nowhere fans of butts about it do me a favor you can lie to me all you want to okay you've decided that your shoulders can carry the weight of that it can't you're gonna you're gonna collapse i've seen it too many times my shoulders can't carry the weight of it you're gonna fall okay do me a favor i'm gonna walk out of here and i'm gonna go down the hall and talk to these other investigators because now we have brett coming down here i need to let them know that okay will you do me a favor if i ask you to do me a favor will you do it and can i trust you to do it will you put your phone on that side of the table and not touch it while i'm gone but look it's 2 30. my son's getting out of here i already saw on your message will you work that out get him a ride yeah she just text she said okay so you set your phone on the other side of that table for me just so i can know that i can trust you to where you won't try to interfere with him coming down here sean chapman okay listen i'm right in the middle of the 711 interview yeah i can't do this okay will you see that down here i'm gonna put it right here can i smoke do you want me to bring your cigarette i got a cigarette girl you smile i'm smart in here yeah let me ask you a question do you feel bad about lying to me i just want to know do you feel bad i mean i don't know how i can feel bad when i really don't know where we are you have lied over and over and over again and you already know do i look like i'm stupid just like when you told the lie i accidentally deleted all that [ __ ] you knew i wasn't gonna believe it you already knew that but i got to prove it in your mind hang on you know i you know what you know i i ain't gonna believe it bob is asking do you feel bad about lying to me yes you killed her really did not mean to delete that on the way here sweetheart let me tell you something i always automatically assume that somebody's always [ __ ] lying i'm not sitting here lying about that [ __ ] phone i am not lying about it and i'm tired i'm tired of all this [ __ ] look at me tracy i know it's hard for you and that's why you're crying right now because i'm tired of it no idea there's no god that man has drug you into so much [ __ ] right now it is crazy and you're willing to sit here and carry the weight of that [ __ ] really hell no that's [ __ ] i'm gonna be honest with you there's no point in you lying from this point further after when i walk out of here unless you knew everything that was going down before it went down there's no reason to lie any point because you see it don't take me about five seconds to make you feel [ __ ] you ain't never got to tell me the truth i can make you sit in your own seat and feel [ __ ] without ever being honest you don't felt [ __ ] sitting here about three or four times i know it i'm real good at what i do okay and you have felt [ __ ] and you knew in your mind that's something that knows i'm behind him look i don't know i'm gonna keep telling you why ah why there's no point unless you had something to do i'm gonna be honest with you you gotta decide how what's going to go down here are you coming over this fence or what you're lying i can prove your line i'll tell you what i'm not going to prove your line i've already told you this is their case i'm only here to help you it is katie register that says scott's phone must be dead okay if you want when it rings since you're being honest with me since you're allowing me to let it sit over there when that does it do you want me to tell you who's calling and stuff okay i'll tell you who's calling stuff um you know he's not coming just like when you said i i don't know if he's coming hell now you know he ain't coming he'd have to be a damn idiot to come down here and you know that but you know you got to say the right thing i don't know if he's coming but i don't know why he wouldn't come because i don't understand how he would have done any of this sweetheart that's sad you're right i can't understand how he did it either has anybody ever showed you the pictures of this lady no i don't want to see him please don't show them to me has anybody ever showed you because you know what when i see it i don't even know this woman i don't want to see him let me tell you something you know this woman and i got a feeling you're going to look at those pictures today okay because you're [ __ ] lying tracy you're [ __ ] lying and it's horrible what happened to that woman tracy it's horrible the detective certainly tell you what happened a 50 she's a grandmother and a mother and somebody did those things to her what the [ __ ] and you're lying about a case involving that [ __ ] you're deleting phone calls and messages about a call right and you call me a [ __ ] you call me ambassador you can say you're sick of it all you want i'm not gonna change who i am just because we're friends okay i already know that's a lie and i'm not gonna say oh tracy i believe you when i [ __ ] don't okay let me tell you what it is uh it says katie register scott's phone must be dead it's just doing that same thing yeah does it do that over and over again i'll do this for you for some reason you want to carry this way up here here in a little bit you're not gonna carry that weight anymore okay i don't know you like the best of friends but i think i know you will enough to know you're not a monster and you're not gonna be able to hold that weight much longer and it's gonna be a matter of time while you're down here today that you're gonna go i already know it you're gonna say all right i want to say and if you feel better we've been in here you can say look okay you know it is what it is i can tell you this the detective that sat right here detective shirley he's one of the best guys in the world okay he's one of the best guys in the world his supervisors are carl michael i mean they're like family nobody here is wanting to throw rocks at you tracy but they are starting to wonder what the [ __ ] and i'm gonna go ahead and tell you i'm not gonna lie about it when i walk out of here and they said that she know i'm gonna say [ __ ] yes she knows she's live 50 times over i already know if your kid if a five-year-old kid was sitting here watching this [ __ ] on tv they know you're lying how many times you caught your old man lying to you did you ever need him to tell the truth in order to know he was lying [ __ ] no because you knew when he was lying i know you're lying you you've lied to me so many times in here today i have not lied i did not lie to you about my phone i accidentally and i do always delete my mouse i understand that's a lie that's okay look at me look at me right now i'm not mad at you i told you i don't judge you can lie to me all you want at the end of the day you're grown and you're gonna decide if you can carry away to this i'm gonna be honest with you it don't matter how long i've known you if i'm gonna carry the weight of something on my shoulder but like look tracy it is what it is you just got to let me hold this weight i'm gonna lie to you you know don't hate me i ain't gonna hate you but you're lying and the shoulders are gonna get heavy there's no way around it drink that water girl i'm going good look i'm gonna go tell him what's up can i trust that you're not gonna pick up that phone what do you want me to do with that just spitting that trash can to put it out so here pour a little water in there okay ain't got no clue mind if i watch yeah your son yeah sure as well you can do whatever you want to do this is your phone okay i'm gonna always ask you to do me a favor put it back on me you don't mind thank you very much now it is what it is if you're gonna lie to him you're gonna lie to me i'm only gonna ask questions hoping at this point you'll tell me the truth if you lie to me just lie to me tracy i ain't gonna be mad at you today for whatever reason you got your own reasons why you're lying okay is that a fresh tattoo yeah why are you picking that up it's itching you want some lotion or anything for it or not it should be fine what kind of cars i really don't know what kind of car was in yesterday when you saw him he he was at the house i don't know who he came here with who was at the house when he was there um dale and dylan and hunter and nick and uh juan this guy named juan who now they friended you so scotty was there yeah okay all right so if we talk to scotty then scotty'd be able to confirm that he was there yesterday yeah okay what cars were that's your apartment yesterday um dales and hunters and dylan's which apartments do you live at right now that's what i thought let me ask you this let's say for instance that you don't know what happened i don't believe that but i'm just saying let's say for instance because i'm gonna be honest with you there's no point in you to tell the lies that you're told unless you knew what i know okay before where i was at i was like maybe she's been pulled into something she had no part you know didn't mean or didn't know that that was gonna happen now with all the lies okay until you get right with me and explain to me why you lied so much i can only assume that you know okay so my question from this point will be we're over the fence now we're over here okay so if he was gonna do some dirt and of course in your mind you you've said that he wouldn't have done this dirt okay like i said we're over the fence i know that's a lot but if he was gonna do some dirt who would he do it with i have no idea do you know any of his family no none of them just courtney that's the only one who's courtney courtney's his sister how old is she 23 i think does she know about y'all's relationship i think so i'm not sure you know why why because he's got diarrhea in her mouth so you know that she knows because that boy can't help but run his mouth so you don't know any of his other family no momma no daddy no auntie no no nothing what do you want me to do do you want him sweetheart he just told you he was coming okay but wonder if he don't yeah i won't want to talk to him okay how do you how can i help you make that happen tracy that would be pretty step up for you to do that okay if you're willing to help there i'm willing okay if you're really willing to help there i'm gonna afford you that opportunity but i'm gonna tell you this right here i'm gonna need you to do it on my terms okay okay because if we if i move a little too quick it's gonna hurt me okay we go way back okay but i won't lie to you when you walk out of here tracy you're not gonna go to scott play the game because i'm gonna tell you straight up when it comes down to whether or not i hurt your feelings or whether or not i put my hands on him i know your feelings are gonna get hurt i know you understand i understand okay enough and i feel like if he did this then then i'm gonna do the right thing okay i don't believe it because just like i didn't believe scott did what he did or did might have did or whatever but you know me i'm not gonna believe it unless i unless i know it i understand you i just thought about something something just jumped into my head something just jumped into my head that i hadn't put together yet i'm going to give you an opportunity to help me out with that if you're willing to do so i don't need you to talk to him anymore until i give you the go ahead you understand i understand i'm gonna have to know that i can trust you and i'm gonna know if you do i understand i don't have to explain all that to you okay um whatever lies you told tracy at some point you're gonna have to get right with those investigators i mean this is you know this this case ain't going no way oh i know i know so at some point you're gonna have to get right and i'm gonna be honest it's better for it to get right right here today before we do get our hands on people you understand because this is the thing this is the way people look at it there's certain reasons why i'm not telling you everything because like i said the people who decide your fate in this case they want is this a monster well this is a person that was at the wrong place at the wrong time we got pulled into some [ __ ] anybody can tell the truth when i lay everything out on this table anybody can go down you got me i'm i'm trying to show that you're not a monster i understand i'm not gonna tell you let me tell you what's on here it says katie register never mind riding with jeremy okay okay um you mind keeping your phone right here till we get this figured out i'll be right back okay i just have something popping my head i got to tell you the investigators i'll be back in less than two minutes okay feel free to smoke if you want to i did no problem i may steal one from you again a man okay he should have been here by now right for robins what time was it that you called his phone that's my friend all right let's see 224. what time is that yeah give him a call see where he's at put it on speaker again hey buddy hi hey where are you at man you should have been here by now i parked right now i'm on popular street you're on popular street a what now um um you know what the first you know if you're out on top of the city hall hits the corner first street and poplar all you have to do is walk down the first street side of city hall and go to that last door on the end that says detective bureau and just ask for sergeant chapman okay all right buddy can you give me one sec that way i can say i trusted you you didn't call him before i get out there well i need to make sure donna got his ride okay well she said he said he got the ride well she said she's riding with jeremy all right i'm gonna put this over here okay i'll be right back two minutes okay hello hello hey man i'm at the police station yeah where you at oh okay all right i love you a lot i love you all right listen okay calling back again see right now he's answering the phone you've lied i'm only saying this to make it make sense he's answering the phone when you call because he trusts you he's hoping that you're calling him after you've left and he can find out what's going on but then when i talk he knows he's got to feed me something just to pacify me he ain't outside no black nissan okay okay okay so call him this you remember detective shirley i've advised him and said look man she's going i told him i ain't a lot that you're lying about everything under the sun i'm gonna tell you what i told him listen to me when it involves certain things but i have told him that you have agreed to help find him and i told him to feel free to come in here okay call him right now again and keep him on speakerphone okay he's probably not going to answer this time well hey buddy hi i'm walking dude you're a long ways from us buddy uh that's right that's right beside my part dad huh element what road is that on club elementary element that's on the channel yeah i needed you to come to poplar street at 1st street all right you want me to stay on the phone with you till you walk up here listen i'm gonna tell my buddy to go outside and wait on you he's gonna be wearing like a bluish purple shirt yeah what are you wearing buddy blue jeans and a red hat okay all right my buddy's gonna be i'm gonna stay on the phone with you until you find me we sure do appreciate you coming down here man we just gotta get this stuff cleared up you know what i mean when i get there oh yeah man you can pee that ain't no problem that ain't no problem at all when you see an investigator out there if you see anybody with a badge or a gun on just tell them say i'm here to see sergeant chapman and they'll uh they'll bring you right in here where you can talk to me okay you know when you get here i'd rather talk to you about that on the phone right now i'm talking to you on the phone i got people around me when you get here i'll take you into a more private room where you know not everybody's in your business you know what i'm saying so i try to look out for other people and and be respectful so you're a grown man so i'm gonna be respectful and uh treat you like a man you know where you at right this second is that's not what somebody's driving bro hello hello hello can you hear me [Music] no buddy i'm actually i'm actually on poplar street remember earlier when you're sitting on poplar street i'm on poplar street i'm in the big city hall the white building with the big columns i'm not at the bibb county lec hold on you're on the board i know you're not buddy i know you're not listen tell me exactly where you're at just stand still i'm going to have somebody come to you tell me exactly where you're at i am r-o-a-s-l-e-d cafe are you still on third street uh yes sir all right spell it for me one more time hey listen he's out in front of roasted cafe and lounge on third street i told him just to stand still because he's confused about where he's coming to and i told him y'all would come to him he it's called he's on third street it's called roasted cafe and grill i told him just to stop right there and i'd have somebody come to him okay all right he's standing out front he says what kind of shirt you got on buddy a great shirt he said he's got a whole tattoo sleeve on one arm so he's not hard to see and he said he's got a red hat on i'm gonna stay on the phone with him i'm gonna stay on the phone yeah i got you so i'm gonna stay on the phone with him until y'all get to him okay all right hey sir you stay on the phone with me until they find you okay all right is anybody walking up to you yet okay wearing uh one of them's wearing a t-shirt and a hat uh the other one's wearing like a polo shirt uh no sir nobody else all right give them just a second they didn't realize you were so far away i'm just i told them to help me out and come to you but they'll be to you in just a minute hang on i'll call them again and see where they are you just be happy what's the address on the front of that place [Music] [Music] you're okay you're okay buddy you're okay hang on stay at that suntrust bank okay all right i'm gonna stay on the phone with you so somebody gets to cuz i can't get these other guys answer the phone hey no he's right in front of he's actually on second street he got confused he's at the suntrust bank on second street suntrust sits right down the corner of second and uh second and whatever um not the second chain but second and uh do you know what a suncoast bank is on sacred street he's right out in front of that all right sorry chapman yeah okay all right come on so you got a what kind of shirt buddy okay and you're standing outside okay all right let me call my other buddy back your phone ain't gonna go dead have you hey y'all got into the suntrust bank yet are you in a car are you on foot what color shirt you got on a gray one right here he says he's got a cop car coming up to him okay good deal all right they're walking up to you buddy [Music] that's right let me know give them your phone so i can talk to them to ensure that's them when you get up with them all right buddy i'll see you in a minute thank you no cigarette i got a pink yeah i'll be in there within just one minute let me grab my spark real quick i didn't text nobody i swear to god what was you doing now i was looking at my facebook i have some pizza you sure can i thought you want pepperoni oh it's pepperoni hey hey i know you gotta be hungry because we're starving there here you go okay [Music] yes ma'am okay now earlier i was informed that you had asked for your rights correct yes okay let me ask for your um that you would ask for a lawyer yes sir yes sure go ahead yeah now because earlier i came in and i read your eyes didn't it yes sir and did you remember you remember that and then after i left the room you um told one of the detectives who was that scotch scott chapman that you want your lawyer yes sir right and then later it was brought to my attention that um that you did want to talk or willing to talk to me and that you were okay was um waving your rights to an attorney right and that you're willing to talk without an attorney present yes sir okay but what i want to do is for you is just to go back over and let you reach your rights again all right okay you have the right to remain silent anything you say can and will be used against you in court you have the right to consult with an attorney and have an attorney present during question if you cannot afford an attorney one can be provided to you before questioning at note at no cost do you understand these rights yes sir ms jones are you willing to speak with me about the death investigation of gail spencer now yes sir okay tell me everything that you know about it um i know that i dropped i i dropped off i went to the neighborhood and i went up to her door and i went inside and and and i left and brett and another guy went in the house and they were only supposed to keep her there that was it just keep her there why i could transfer money that day and then we were gonna leave that's that's how things were supposed to unfold so you went over there you left left the door unlocked yes okay and that's how things were supposed to unfold she was never supposed to be killed okay that was never the plan to kill her that was not the plan at all and who were these two boys one was brett and i don't know the other guy's name is a black guy that he's a black guy yes so it's brett brett kelly and you don't even know the first name of this black guy no i don't did you drive them over there yes you did where'd you drop them off at the end of that road that i told you i was on when we initially had talked before yes sir told me okay so you dropped them off did you uh drive up to uh gail's house or did you walk up there i walked over there where'd you leave your car right there at the road at the road so when you walk up to the door what do you do um i knocked on the door and i asked her if i could use the restroom and get something to drink and um i told her exactly what i had told y'all that the car had broke down yes sir okay so that is true yes sir did you ever use your phone no okay so you never used your phone so she lets you in um and what happens after that i went in the kitchen and got something to drink and um i got this one brett and the guy came in and i walked out the door do you know what they done after that i have no idea i i have no idea but the only thing that was supposed to happen was they was just supposed to keep her there if brett left before the black guy i don't know i i don't know how the day unfolded i didn't want to know brett didn't tell you anything about how the day unfolded no not not detail by detail no i i didn't i didn't want to know how the day unfolded i what what did he tell you um the only thing he told me was that he that the car was gone the car wasn't there anymore and that um he he called me during the day and said i don't know what to do i don't know if i should kill her and i said no you shouldn't i said but i don't want to know anything i just don't because i i i that was not the plan that was not the intention the intention was just to keep her in that house during the day when i formed a transfer of money and did you transfer money yes i did how much money did you transfer uh 880 000 into his sister's accounts his sister said courtney kelly okay did you transfer any other monies besides 800 today i did how much was that um 249 thousand and 130 or 60 000 i believe and what account did you transfer that into barrett's accounts in the grants account now was there any information i mean have you seen any type of uh i mean do you have knowledge of courtney using uh account that account yeah because i could go online and check it okay now tell me how you go online and check it um i got the account login and the password you just go on www.bankofamerica.com and log in okay so are you able to give me that information yes in my pocketbook it is in your pocketbook okay so you'll have to get your pocketbook to give me that information okay um have you saw where she's been using um that account yes she's used it at jewelry stores academy at um walmart at kroger gas stations at hotels when i don't i didn't really pay attention to the dates but i've seen she used about twenty thousand dollars she's taking money out every day but she's into one robin's area yes okay what motels have she been staying at uh one was the hilton one was um i i can't even remember them all but i'll show you when you pull it up okay it's been different ones okay over the last 34 days and you said this guy that was with brett where did he's a black guy now where did y'all pick him up at he came to my house that when thursday night thursday night thursday night he stayed there uh-huh so you guys already had this planned out yeah we had we planned thursday or we're playing wednesday to get the passports right and then thursday morning friday morning is when we went over there but like i said that i don't think none of us had the intention to kill her i don't know where that came about i don't know what happened during the day you know i i i don't know because when you left gail's house you went where i went home and got ready it went to work okay and you left there at what time i was at gail's house for like five minutes like i said well i mean but you when she left work you went when i went to work i went to work and then when i went left to work i went straight home okay and was um was there anybody there yet yeah my son was there other friend was there brett was there my other son was there was a black guy there no okay did you ever find out what his name was no i don't i don't i don't know his name can you describe what he looks like not really i mean he's a taller kind of heavy not real heavy built but every time i've seen him he's had a jacket on so i don't know how old does he look to be i don't know probably in his 20s i'm not real good with ages though okay um did you because i'm getting did you ever call is the information i'm getting i'm gonna shoot you straight forward okay since you're being honest with me the information i'm getting is that you called brett about four o'clock and said do it no i never told him to do it he didn't no okay because i mean it's all on the table now so we don't i never told him to do it i'll be able to check back in the phone i love it okay i said i don't want to know and he did tell me about that he he told me that he made her give him a [ __ ] and that pissed me off and i told him that was stupid that he should not have done that that that should not have happened at all and no i never told him to do it so which one brett told you that he made her give him a blood job yeah okay did he say anything else about about touching her no i think he probably wouldn't know because he knows i would have got mine he wouldn't right if he would have done that yeah okay all right um he didn't give you any details when did this plan initially begin well it all started out as a joke like last sunday i was like if we had the money would you want to just take off and go anywhere and we was like yeah yeah we'd want to do that you know we was really just joking around well tuesday or wednesday i realized that there was a big account on fun on that friday for so i was eight hundred thousand dollars and um so me and brett was talking about it you know and i said only thing is is i really i don't know that gail would let me try you know deal with that that kind of money i said i'd have to figure out a way to keep her from coming to the to the to the office office he said well i go to her house and make her sit there all day and i said well and then that's when we started talking about that and it just kind of escalated from there okay but it was it was never the plan to kill her that wasn't i would never have i've nev i would have never thought of doing that and then the initial planning day would have been what day well we really never had a planning day it was really just all kind of it all just kind of happened you know what i mean i mean like thursday we went out there and got passports and we couldn't get them so friday his sister drove up there and and got our passports because she was gonna go with us and um courtney a part of the planning she well we asked her if she wanted to take off would she go with us and she said yeah so that's when she went open the accounts and so she knew but she courtney knew what was going to take place yeah she knew what was going to take place and she was a part of the planning getting the passports and everything else um how did you come about this the uh the other guy the black guy how did he come in i don't know i guess that's brick got him involved brett got him involved okay and he was part of the planning i actually i don't know because i really never talked to him now so that morning you brett and this black guy get up and you take them over there and then you go in the house and then they follow in behind you you turn around walk out did you ever see a gun i don't believe i did i don't know because i mean you didn't know if you saw a gun yeah i see they i don't i really don't i don't know you know if you just saw a gun trust me you know did brett or the black guy have gloves on when they went in the house i'm pretty sure they did why do you say that because i think i don't remember them having one of them okay so what happened when you got home that afternoon um nothing really i mean we said we stayed at home for a while and i wanted to spend some time with the boys because i thought we were supposed to get ready to take off and we went bowling we went bowling i took bread to his mama's and we went bowling and when we come back his sister was gone she took all her stuff and left and um so we was at home didn't do y'all discuss what had happened at the house um yeah yeah he we did discuss it a little bit okay tell me and tell me the details what y'all discussed um god i don't i mean everything's so jumbled just take your time you've had i mean you've had all day to think about it um i really hadn't even thinking about what we talked about to be honest i just i just can't believe all this has happened the way it has happened well um i mean he never really told me like what all took place in the house like like caller said the air was way down i didn't know the air was way down they never told me they did that and um i thought i'm trying to think what all he did tell me he thought he didn't tell me he left her on the bed that she was left on the bed i don't i don't know did he tell you to tell her did he tell you that she was dead yeah he told me she was dead did he tell you that he killed her she just said she was dead he never told you that he killed her no i mean he said she was dead and i told him about it i didn't want to know about it i said i don't i don't i don't know about it he didn't tell you anything about how she died at all tracy he did tell me that they put a pillow over her face or something like that and it didn't work and and i and i said well i don't i don't i just stop i don't i don't want to know they have just the strangler i don't know i don't place the bag over at you well i know the bag was overhead because patsy told me that okay so i already so i knew that and i knew right what time friday did you transfer those accounts over into whose account was it courtney courtney's account what time was that um i think i did one that morning it was three and i think i did three three that like throughout the day i'm not quite sure exactly what time i think i did the last one at the like the very end of the day i'm not mistaken so you did what grand total of three friday yes and then today two it's a grand total should be a little over over a million dollars yes sir okay and that's from calder pinkston and associates right is that correct yes sir okay why didn't did brett tell you how they ended up leaving the house no he didn't tell you how they left the house did he say anything about taking gayle's car no i mean i knew the car was gone they told me he told me the car was gone he did yeah okay and then i knew the car was going with his packs he told me saturday that it was gone okay is there anyone else involved in this case do you know seth yeah seth is our tattoo guy he wasn't involved at all okay about this money he didn't know anything about this you know anything about the monies today with seth and the only reason seth would have known anything about the money is because he had a brexit motorcycle he took brett's motorcycle and i know brett told him he paid the money to pay it off so he could get the title so that's probably why said would happen that's the only involvement michael brett kelly 115 premo's lane one robust georgia oh account number zero zero zero five two four three zero six three seven seven oh right yes okay classy counter okay and you transferred is that that's bb and t i think that's the one i did like 163 000. you know how much 163 000 into brett's account into that one um her online for bank of america is cnk155 cmk155 that's courtney um courtney kelly for bank of america for bank of america okay and then the password you want to write all this down yeah this because the cmk is right now that bank of america that's the login okay cnk155 and then the password is colder calder 3496. calder 3496.3496 that's for bank of america and that's the one that you're going to be able to tell where she's staying and how do you do that you just go online to www.bankofamerica.com and log in that's cnk155 and then you'll have to put the passcode in called her 3496. and then um when you look under her activity it'll show you and because it'll will it show it will pop up courtney callie yeah it'll show her activity uh-huh okay and then that's the sun's first one for courtney all right was savings okay now did you oh this is another account that you put money in i don't know that she's touched that one i don't think so this is a savings account yeah okay and there's one from in south but i don't see the that's robin's but we didn't do nothing with that one okay i'm just going to hold on to this okay okay but this is the one that's going to show activity yes the bank of america yeah so you transferred accounts into bank of america bb t sun trust in mid-south yeah all right is there any others um okay how much into mid-size um i don't even know like two hundred and something thousand dollars this is courtney's account yes suntresses court how much would you can you remember 200 in suntrust okay um bank of america how much into that one four hundred and something thousand four hundred something thousand and then into brett's bb t is 163 thousand okay 163 000. okay all right um is there anything else i don't think so you think so okay did you know that that car was parked over there that they dumped the car over there where they dumped it no they told me it was somewhere over there but i didn't know where okay have you seen that this is the black guy since yeah he actually came to our house um sunday morning and um that's the last time i saw him what happened there he's just talking to brad i don't know i didn't even talk to him you got a song brad does all right i'm sure okay well um like i said is there anything else i don't think there is if i think of something i'll make sure to let you know okay i promise all right give me just a minute i need to double check through some paperwork okay smoke a cigarette relax it's all off your chest now tracy i know okay it's all off your chest i'm done um let me know when you're done with it well um bring your break your bod we're going you can bring it just bring your bottle okay um you know the other night i read your rights right you remember that yeah well i just want to do it i just want to read your rights again okay make sure you're aware of you know you have the right to remain silent anything you say can be used against you in court you have the right to consult with an attorney and have an attorney present during questioning if you cannot afford an attorney one can be provided to you before questioning at no cost do you understand your rights now you wish to speak with us further in reference to this case correct yes sir okay all right uh teresa we've got a couple more questions this won't take very long um who had the passports um courtney had her passport and brett had many of his passwords in the book bag where are they at they were in a georgia book bag when i left home that morning so i don't know where they're at was that book bag still in your apartment as far as i know but he was there tuesday morning when i left so i don't know if he took them with him so they couldn't be anywhere but you left tuesday they were in my apartment okay the georgia bulldog book bag wasn't at the house for sure okay we've done it you know since the time you've been here we've done a search warrant um so i just wanted to know that so i'm i was not present during that he was so there'll be a piece of paper there that says whatever they might have taken out of your apartment okay um let's see what else was it they wanted to ask i guess i should've wrote the questions down but yeah all right so i gotta think um 10 hours um how did y'all let me ask you how did you pay for the passports i paid your passport to the money i had for my paycheck was it cash or use a credit card i used some cash i yes sir of course we can't we can't talk to brett about that again all right if he would if he was going to take that book bag where would he take it i have no idea i mean he had he was in his mama's car so i assume he went to his mom's house that day okay so it's possible that could be at mom's house possibly and i just something that's just i have to ask you um do you know if brett's mother knew anything about this whole thing that went down afterwards i'm not for sure he told me he told her but i don't i don't know that he told her you know what i mean he told you that he did tell her yeah but i don't i mean i've caught him in a couple you know not telling me the truth several on several things okay so i don't okay i didn't know if he really told her or not you know i know he tells his mama a lot but i don't know that you tell her that okay i don't think we have really anything else to ask you then i was just saying if that's all we wanted to know is where the passports were yeah they were in my house last i saw when i left that morning that's where they were at she knew courtney had hers yeah she took hers friday she said she wanted she told brett she wanted to hold on to hers okay was it was anthony was he ever going to go out of town with y'all well i never really talked to him i didn't even know he was involved until the night before and when he came to my house that morning i never told him nothing about giving him the money i never told him anything that was that was brett brett told him like when he came to my house that friday afternoon brett said i told him i'd give him ten thousand dollars and um then when i overheard him and brett talking i heard him say something about 350 000 and um and then i did overhear the black guy say that him and his wife brett said we'll give you the ten thousand now here and then when we get to canada you and your wife can come up there later and get the rest is what i was what i heard them talking about okay you know if the wife if his wife had it or knew anything about the about this i have no idea okay because i didn't really i never even really talked to them i didn't even know his name i mean that's just like them going in the house that was all great i did to begin with and brett was like oh i got a friend that can go in there with me and i and they were never supposed to kill her that was never supposed to be the thing they were supposed to keep her in that house during that day that'll do it for right now okay tracy