I'm sure to talk to you. All right. Deputy Frankie with the sheriff's office. >> Can I pay the money back? Please. I can't go to jail off my money every time. Can't [music] go to jail. >> You got $3,100. >> I can play. Pay me if I can do something. >> That's That's not on my hands. That's on them. On August 1st, 2023, a Palm Beach County Sheriff's detective arrested a Burlington coat factory cashier for a 3-week [music] retail fraud scheme. The total loss was about $3,100. Every cent of it walked out the door without a single payment clearing. Oh yeah. Yeah. Down there. Good. So, what's going on? >> She was always the cashier. >> Like, she was always giving them the stuff for free. You know, the other associates, I haven't found any were there. She's just she's at the cashier. So, she's really admitted to like $3,000, which is about what I came up with. Um, so minimum of $3,000 she allowed to leave the form by not properly reading it. Um, but I I put it on here like I kind of put this is her. So she's responsible for I should say three grand. The other one from what I can see on the transactions 16 of that is what this associate walked out with. And this one here is like a farmer associate she recently quit. >> That's just their names. I just had all the other names and >> but that person you hear in prison here today, she was involved in all the transactions. >> She was involved in all she was the cashier. >> She was the cash. So she was like letting the employee let leave with all those stuff. >> She would bring some of the stuff up. So it looks if anybody's looking it looks like everything's getting ranged, but then she instead of cashing it out, it would hit suspend. So it just suspended the transaction, but she still gave them the stuff and they walked out. They never paid for it. Like on this this here, >> that's every one of these are items taken or >> none of that was paid for. >> Okay, that's why I just want to make sure it's on 3100. >> This is her generic statement. >> Yeah, but it's not sworn to us. >> No, I know. I didn't know you needed. >> Give me one second. Right. >> At least we need to make contact. What's going on? Sure. He's here to talk to you. >> All right. Deputy Frankie at the sheriff's office. >> Well, you unfortunately there's no choice. You're going today. >> Can I pay the money back, please? I can't go to jail off my grandma. Everybody can't go to jail. >> You got $3,100. >> The real issue here is not whether she stole. She admitted that on camera. The issue is what happened after the Miranda card came out. loss prevention had assembled the case before officers even arrived. Every suspended transaction logged, all of them trace back to her register. Florida statute 812.014 subsection 2B makes theft of $750 or more a thirdderee felony. At $3,100, she cleared that threshold easily, up to 5 years in state prison. And that classification mandates county detention. The detective had no discretion. The statute removes that option entirely. >> I can play payments. I can do >> that's that's not on my hands. That's on them. But they want right now they're prosecuted. >> I can't go to jail. I want >> I know a goate. I can't I can't go to jail. I really can't go to jail. I'm a single mom. I can I can make payments. I can do a payment plan. Please know >> I can't go to jail. >> Right. And I and I did this. I know. I know it's But I did and they you know it's >> Can you call them back and talk to the legislation? I can't go to jail. >> I will I will call them back, but I don't you know I don't know. >> Please talk to them. I can't go to jail. I can't I can't >> I will I will I will call him but just talk to this guy on >> well first we're going to talk and then we'll go from there >> first and just um but I I will go step out and talk I did tell them all that ahead of time you know >> I can make payment plan I can do anything just tell him please don't take >> I was wrong please don't take me to jail please >> we'll talk to this guy all All right. Do you What's your name, ma'am? >> Yes. >> All right. So, I'm going to read you, Miranda, because we are going to talk. So, just make sure you acknowledge everything that I say. All right. >> You have the right to remain silent and not answer any questions. Do you understand? >> Yes. >> Any statement must be freely and voluntarily given. Do you do you understand? >> I just need a yes or no. >> Yes. >> Okay. You have a right to attorney of your choice or a court upon attorney before you make any statement or any question. Do you understand? >> I can make no promise to induce you to make a statement. This must be in your own free will. Do you understand? >> Any statement can and will be used against you in a court of law. Do you understand your rights so far? Yes. >> Okay. Do you want to speak to me what happened? Cuz we got a lot of stuff here. >> Would you like to talk to me about what's going on or >> Hello? I'm sorry. >> I was wrong. >> Okay. Well, I mean, I know I know you you've spontaneously uted that a few times. What I'm getting at is >> Okay, so we have all these transactions that were not rung up. Okay, you with me so far? >> And some of these were for employees that work here. Correct. >> Okay. So, do you want to explain like like we have one that's on layway like what happened? What happened here? I mean, >> were you ringing did you ring it up and just let him walk out and not pay for the product? Is that what's happening? >> You tight and he's going to call corporate. So, nothing is official yet, but we are going to talk cuz >> So, they've got you they say about 31 almost $3,100 in items so far. But like I I don't even know half of them people I told it might was a mistake for some of them. But they saying that the the receipt receipt came out after they put their card there. And the receipt came out I didn't know if I suspend it or not. Just explain that to them. Some of them people I don't even know. >> Oh explain. I don't understand what you mean by suspend. That's what I don't understand. What does that mean? >> So like this one here has your name, right? >> Yes. >> So this was a transaction for 13 items on the 20th, right? So, and it says status suspended. What does that mean? >> The the the transaction was suspended. [snorts] >> Okay. Was that a decline card or? >> No, it just was. I just cancelled the whole transaction. >> All right. So, you can't you suspended that transaction, right? So your your end of day count is not looking for that money cuz that transaction was suspended. Correct. >> So we have a total of uh >> like $103. So >> did you allow a product to leave the store? >> Yes. >> Did you know that this that the that the transaction was suspended? About halfway through this footage, the detective asks about a specific transaction, 13 items, status suspended. Did she know it was suspended when the merchandise left? She says yes. That one answer establishes the intent element required under Florida statute 812.014. Still, her attorney would have a real argument. Under Colorado versus Connelly, a Miranda waiver must be knowing and voluntary. She was in tears, had just been told she was going to jail, and mentioned losing her grandmother and raising a child alone. Courts look at the totality of circumstances. That level of distress at the moment of waiver is what suppression hearings are built around. >> Is that something you >> It's the No, >> it's Well, this is where it says >> she used one person used the card. She put her card in, but the receipt still came out. He said, "I put suspended." So the receipt still came out. So he said, "I suspended it." And the items did leave the store. >> Okay. So the the the transaction was suspended. You knew it was suspended. And >> not this one. It's another one that I knew was suspended. >> Okay. So regardless, [snorts] how does it go in suspended? Is it because a payment wasn't accepted or there was no payment or is it something you have to do? >> You can press F2F. You could press your number on there and you suspend it. >> Okay. So that's that's happened. And so you knew that this transaction was suspended for whatever reason. Then you allowed the product to leave. >> I'm sorry. >> Not on all of them because the receipt will have come out. If they put their phone right there, it won't tell me if it won't pay. It just a receipt will come out. >> Okay. But it does it always have suspended? I mean, every one of these receipts has suspended on them. That's what the sister said. >> Okay. And I also have one here. I'm looking for it. That was a layaway that they came back in the next day. That layaway was then cancelled and then the product still left the store. >> Yes. >> So, I guess where I'm getting at here is um I mean you're knowing allowing the stuff to leave the store, correct? >> Yes. >> So, so why would you do that? I told I was a person. >> Are you getting any kickback for that? Are you I mean, are they giving you anything for this product or >> how long you work for Bington? >> I started in March. >> In March? >> Yeah. All right. because they also got video which they're going to provide us for all these transactions. So I guess another question is how do you pick and choose who you're allowing to leave without paying for product? Cuz some of these are some of the things are associates that work here. >> Two of them are >> two of them were definitely associates that we know of. Um is that something they do that they told you about? Because I mean they coming up to you asking I mean do you know them from like the neighbor? I mean how do you know them? Are they they didn't work? >> Two of them work two one of them I know >> that works here. >> Do you know them prior to working here? >> And then they did they tell you that this goes on? >> No. >> You ever been arrested before? >> No. >> You ever been in trouble? No. >> All right. I know he's talking to some people, but as of right now, if this goes the way, it is it's it's a felony. You will have to take you if they do decide to prosecute. That's up to them. They could turn around and be like, "We'll work something out with you." I have no control over that. If they do, the only thing I would definitely be cognizant of is that this is a felony. So, they have a certain amount of time that they can report this without any repercussions. So, if they decide to work out a payment plan, which I have no control over at all, and you fail on that payment plan, they can call us right back. And there's without everything I have here and after speaking with you, there's there's without a doubt probable cause for a felony theft of of three grand. Um, so if that's something that they allow to happen, again, I have no control, then it's something that you need to uh stay stay with because there's enough. I mean, you there's $1,000. It's you could almost be charged with >> um a scheme to defraud >> if you're working with other people to defrauding. That's another charge on top of it. It's not just a theft of three grand cuz you didn't keep the product. You don't have it. You allowed it to walk out. So, there's a charge on the books. It's called scheme to defraud, which is you're facilitating it and other people are benefiting from it cuz you're not benefiting. You didn't get any other product. It's not like it's sitting in the car waiting for you to get out unless you all are taking it and reselling it on the outside. >> Key. >> I I get it. Listen, times are tough, right? I I I get it. Trust me. I I I understand that. But you also have to understand, too, that you know, you're not talking a couple $3,000. You've been here since March. >> Yeah. >> Yep. That's what I thought. >> Yeah. Prosecute. >> Okay. All right. Well, we're going to have to uh we're going to I am going to be cordial and I'm going to respect you. We're going to get everything we need from him. We're going to walk you out like a like normal. If you give us any indication that you're not going to cooperate, you're going in cuffs. You're going to go in cuffs at one point, but instead of what they call per walking you to the store and embarrassing you in front of all these people, we can do it cordally and then we go outside because this isn't going to be you get released here. You have to go. You're going to go to county. >> So you you're going to buy that. I mean, if it was under if it was a misdemeanor, I could release you on scene. I can't. This is $3,000. I can't do that. So you have to >> um You're going to have to see a judge. If you ain't got no record in there, >> what's that? >> I got stone. If we don't get you down there quick enough. Yeah. >> I can't I can't undo that. But if you got a good record, no history, you know, it might be an RO. That's up to the judge. Um where do you stay at? Okay. So, guess what? I'll take you out there. All right. Because I can take you to gun club, which means someone got to come all the way over here to the coast to get you. I can take you out to the Glades, which is where we're supposed to take you. And then when you get out, you're right there. >> All right. I'm going to do as best I can. As long as you cooperate with us and and be cordial, then we can work and he's with me. We we got you. We can take care of this. But if you start acting up >> cuffs and all the way through. All right. >> Where's your purse? in the locker. >> All right. >> In her vehicle. >> All right. >> She's got what she wants out of it. So, if you you want to go back to the sub with me and help me do the property real quick. >> All right. >> And then we can get her down where we got to go. Like I said, ma'am, if you cooperate, let's go this route. If you don't >> Well, you want to leave your stuff in the car >> to the the bag. >> All right. She's going to take a couple items that she needs and the rest now. >> [music] >> Show us where your car is. One of us will take that out there and drop it off. Once you go to Marta, we have to go in cuffs and then we'll give you a double them up and we'll transport you to our district. We're here for this one. This is black. >> What's that? >> This is black Chevy. >> Yes. Black Chevy. All right. All right. You want to get that in the keys? This is me right here. We'll try and make it as comfortable as we can. Right. Ain't built for comfort. Hold on. We got one. We're going to double it up, which will give you a little bit more freedom. All right. Miranda versus Arizona 1966 requires full advisement before any custodial interrogation begins. The detective covered every element. She confirmed each point then said unprompted, "I'm sorry, I was wrong." That is a spontaneous statement, admissible regardless of Miranda status. But she kept answering every followup the detective asked under Colorado versus Connelly. That waiver still needs to hold up under the full emotional context. The detective offered to skip the public perp walk, explain the full booking process, and offered to transport her to a closer facility. None of that is required. He did it anyway, deescalating the encounter without touching a single procedural step. The one flag he mentioned the scheme to defraud charge mid interrogation while she was still answering questions under visible distress. factually accurate, but presenting an enhanced charge during active questioning creates implicit pressure that defense attorneys will flag. As for the subject, after being read her rights, she made the most damaging choice available to her. She talked. She confirmed knowledge, intent, and the manual mechanism of the fraud on camera. Saying nothing would have cost her nothing at that moment. She cooperated fully with the arrest. No resistance, no escalation. Her honesty likely influenced the nine-month probation sentence she received, but she was then charged with petty theft while on probation, which put the original felony sentence right back on the table. Lesson one, a suspended transaction is not invisible. Modern retail systems log every register action, every manual suspension, everything. Loss prevention does not need to catch you in the act. They pull a report, identify the pattern, and hand law enforcement a complete case. Lesson two, the Miranda warning is the last moment you have to stop talking without consequences. After that, every word becomes evidence. Requesting an attorney is a constitutional right. It does not signal guilt. Waving it and talking does far more damage than staying silent ever could. Lesson three, probation is not freedom. Any new charge while on supervision puts the original felony sentence back on the table. This subject avoided jail after a felony conviction, then stole again on probation. That is not bad luck. It is a choice with a predictable outcome. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic that you would like us to discuss in the comments below. Thank you for watching. Land the police. >> Land the police. >> We got the other one. >> Oh, you got a gun on you? >> No. >> Where's the gun at? >> Uh, it's in the trunk. >> Okay. >> Here. Come here. Come here. We're going to take this off. Got me. >> Yeah. >> You got a bunch of cash in your pocket right there, though, bro. >> No, that's pretty. >> Yeah. Why you going to overdraft your car for gasoline? >> Yeah. I haven't checked that trunk either. Yep. Here it is. September 5th, 2024, Orlando, Florida. A banking victim got a live alert, called it in, and officers tracked the crew in real time. [music] Between 1 and $3,000 had already been drained. The real issue is not the theft. It's what the suspect said after they got caught. Atlanta, please. >> Please. We got the other one here. >> Hey now. Hey now. Hey now. >> Where'd that money go? Did it take it back in there? >> All right. Hey. >> Funny. Let's go. >> This guy's all zeroed up, too. Wearing a mask. Hey, how you doing, sir? We're on the window for me. >> Hey, sit by the car. I'll talk to you real quick. >> All right. >> Oh, you got a gun on you? >> No. >> Where's the gun at? >> Uh, it's in the trunk. >> Okay. >> Here, come here. >> Come here. We're going to take this stuff off. Got me? >> Yes. Yeah, we're not in jail. You're just being detained. All right. >> All right. >> I'll explain to you in just a second. Okay. >> All right. Any other guns uh in the trunk or just in the car? Just in the trunk? >> Yeah, I just left the gun range. It's kind of uh that >> Hey, sir. Hey, sir. >> How you doing, sir? I'm officer Ranger Atlanta Police Department. You want to step out of the car for me? We'll talk to you. Explain everything in a second. Switch arms or be detained. Okay. >> You got any weapons? Anything sharp, bro? >> All right. >> Anything else in the vehicle I should know about? Just >> smoking a little bit of weed or something? I got picked up. What's up? I got picked up. Okay. Whose car is this? Your car? >> Uh-uh. Okay. Is this friend's car? >> Yeah. Got you. Okay. >> So, there's the one in the back seat. >> Yeah. >> All right. Fair. We're just going to walk over here. I'll bring your phone with you. >> This is your car? >> Yeah. >> Come on over here to this car. What kind of trouble with you? We got you on. >> What's your name? >> My name is Kan. >> Quan. I'm just going to pass you down. Make sure you don't have any other guns on you. Okay. Right over here. >> So, I see the holster, but no guns, right? >> N guns. It's in the trunk. >> That's fine. I'm just awesome. Face my car. I'm going to take the holster off you real quick. Okay. >> Okay. >> I'm just going to patch it down. Make sure you have another weapons or anything on it. You got your ID on you? >> No, I just know it by heart. >> I'm going to pull your pants up a little bit here for you. >> What the hell happened? >> We see in a second. We have >> I'm trying to overdraft my car for some gas. >> Is that what it is? >> Yeah. >> You got a bunch of cash in your pocket right there though, bro. >> No, that's $300. >> Yeah. Why you going to overdraft your car for gas then? >> Cuz Navy Federal let you overdraft up to 225 >> and they don't charge you like a fee. No, the thing is your card going to go negative after two days. >> So, you're just like floating the money. >> Yeah, I'm doing Apple Pay. >> Okay. Face my car real quick. >> I got Navy Federal, though. It's my personal bank. >> The crook lied to officers claiming he was using his personal Navy Federal card. What he didn't know was that officers were already aware they had been draining victim's bank accounts. >> Figure all that out. So, right now, I'm going to have you see here real quick. >> Yeah. >> You're not under arrest. You're being detained, right? Figure everything out. I'll get >> What the hell? They thought I had multiple cards. I don't know. That's what they're saying. >> So, you only have one card you're using? >> Yeah. One card. Swear to God. >> Real quick, let me get your name. >> Do you have ID on my password? >> Your password is that there you carry your birth certificate around? Had an interview today. Really? Okay. Where? Um, health food market as an in store shopper. Do >> you have a Florida driver's license ID? Uh, >> I never had ID. I locked my my permit a long time ago. >> Remember you've been issued one before? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I got one. I locked a long time ago. Okay. >> Uh, uh, They say 1012. >> Yep. >> Run that. >> They're using multiple cards. He's obviously not Kenyon. >> Give me the channel for one more minute. No, >> that car is yours, right? >> Yeah. >> All right. >> And the tag goes to that car. >> Yeah. See the tag right hanging off. Okay. And if it is, >> I'm on slap E right now. >> I got you. Is the car running or No. >> Yeah. >> Still running. >> All right. Real quick. So, I'm going to I want to talk to more about everything, right? But since you are in handcuffs, I'm going to read you your rights. Doesn't mean you're under arrest. It just means since you're being detained, I'm asking you questions. You're aware of your rights. >> Y'all want to check me, make sure I ain't got no other cards and none of that [ __ ] >> Well, I'm going to I'm going to read this to you first. That way, you're aware of your rights, right? All right. >> So, you have the right to remain silent. Do you understand? >> Yes, sir. >> Have uh anything you say may be used against you in court. Do you understand? >> Okay. >> You have the right to talk to your lawyer before and during question. Do you understand? >> Yes, sir. >> If you cannot afford a lawyer and want one, one will be provided for you before questioning without charge. Do you understand? >> Yes, sir. >> Has anyone threatened you or promised you anything to get you to speak? No. >> All right. So, what what was going on with your whole card situation? >> All right. So, uh basically, if you uh we trying to get fillups right now, right? >> Mhm. >> So, you know, you could overdraft up to 225 >> with Navy Federal. >> Yeah. the Navy Federal, any bank account. >> Okay? >> Like say you got uh PNC, anything. >> So if you uh put the card in, say you got like $2 on your car, you could overdraft some some of it 100, some of it 200, 225. All right. Mine 225. So boom. Say we don't got no gas. We don't want to pay for gas. D. If you put it in there, if you put the card in there, if you do it from the inside, it's not going to let you do it. >> The the pump is like credit. So if you put the card in and then you take it out, it's going to take the money that's on there, your $10, and it's going to keep going and it's going to stop at 100. So if he give me $20, I like overdraft my card and just pay it back later. I got Navy Federal though. Like my card you're using is Navy Federal. >> My personal bank account. No, it's his card. >> It's his card. >> Yeah, but Navy Federal do it and Fidil do it too. PNC do it. Chase everybody. >> I'm saying but the one today was Navy Federal. >> N Fidili his card. My Navy Federal. >> So don't Navy Federal. >> Which card we using at the pumps today? >> Oh, I ain't using no I ain't used no card. He only the only one who used the car. >> Uh headquarters at another tag. 75 Bravo Romeo Bravo Charlie. >> Do I have all the tags when you're ready? >> Go ahead. airport 26 uniform >> or is it heavy stolen? Uh, headquarters had another tag 75 Bravo Romeo Bravo Charlie. >> Okay. Yes, sir. >> We're just going to take a seat here. I'm not going to close the door. I'm going to leave it open. >> All right. Go ahead. When you're ready. >> All right. Nothing like that. >> No. Any warrants out for your arrest that you may know of? >> No, sir. Never been to jail either. >> Okay, cool. >> I'm going to the military soon. >> Okay. Which uh branch? >> Uh I want to go to the Marines. >> Okay. I got a couple Marines here. So that's cool, man. >> Where? >> Uh >> I can stand up real quick if you don't mind. >> Yeah. >> That gentleman over there, the one. >> That's a sergeant right there. >> He's not a sergeant. He's uh for here. He's just an >> So why is his yellow and yours is white? >> I'm not worried about you, man. So, why's the yellow? What's the difference between the yellow? >> Okay, >> just sit down real quick. No, don't worry about >> What's your first name, brother? >> Adrian. So, what's the difference between the yellow? His name is yellow. Your and yours is white. >> You said Adrian. >> I'm a detective. He's a master police officer. >> Also wear yellow. >> Okay. I I see I knew something a little bit. >> All right. You say Adrian. A D R I A N. >> Yes, sir. You have a middle name. >> Okay. Thank you. >> These two cars. >> So here, these were found in there, too. So >> these guys Oh, look at this here. >> So >> yeah, he's going to have a gun, too. They're all shyicied up trying multiple cards on this. and he was >> using a car to get money out. He is running >> with the detective. >> Do you guys realize that reasonable prudent people don't wear shies and hoods just to go do stuff? >> Cool. They saw Joey pull up. So, there's going to be a there's going to be a handgun in here, too, somewhere. >> 320 320. >> Yeah, there's another mag. Yeah, I haven't checked that trunk either. Yep, here it is. The turning point is when Kesan, still handcuffed, walks officers through the overdraft technique step by step. Under Miranda versus Arizona, once someone is in custody and subject to interrogation, officers must advise the right to remain silent and the right to an attorney. The officer did that. Queson acknowledged every right, then kept talking. Every word after is fully admissible. Still, a defense attorney will argue the detention versus arrest line was blurred enough to push for suppression. The recording makes that a tough cell. What matters is that the officer drew that distinction clearly on camera before questioning continued. dished it after Joey showed up. >> And he was using a car to get money on >> here with a detective. Here was a detective and another one here. So these these guys are all here. >> Take one. Yeah, I'll take a better one after. >> So, let me go. >> You ever been shot or stabbed? >> Yeah, I have been shot before. That's That's what delayed my marine process the first time. >> Okay. Where do you live that you get shot at? >> Huh? You know what I'm saying? >> That's what I'm telling you. I'm I'm going go one day. >> Hopefully, man. Where do you stay at? Where do you live? At what area? >> I live over there at Sanford. >> Sanford? >> Yeah. With my girlfriend. >> All right. Cool. Was that you did it yourself or did somebody shoot you? Huh? Do you do that yourself or somebody shot you? >> I shot myself. >> Yeah, that seems like the angle. >> I didn't I didn't know what I was doing at first. I was young and dumb. >> When was that? >> Couple years ago. >> Was that here in Orlando? Was it somewhere else in Sanford? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Cuz I mean I I do get calls. So you had it in here and came out here. >> Yeah. >> It's wild, bro. >> Did I hurt like a mother or what? >> I drove I ain't drove. I took myself to the hospital. >> Damn. What's all this about? >> I believe it has to do with credit cards. That's my That's what I know as of right now cuz that's what I the initial what I got. >> Like I said, the detective, the one that was talking, he's the one in charge. No, he's just our NPO. He's just helping out the detective. The detective is the one that's running the show. So, he over there. >> Yep. >> Once he gets a minute, I'm sure he'll explain everything to you. Just, you know, depends on how you talk to him. Obviously cuz he doesn't really have to explain anything. But if you're cool with him, >> you know what I mean? >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know your rights, man. >> Yes, sir. >> Muslim in my home and I think that we got >> It's right over there. All right. Well, let me talk to the detectives out here cuz the one that saw y'all so I know what you're saying and everything. I'm going to pull up. You got a Florida ID, right? >> Uh, it might be on my car, >> but I'm saying you have one in Florida. >> I'll follow up with your name. Make sure everything's good on that. Yeah, >> we'll take it from there. Okay. You got any questions for right now for why you're detained? >> No. >> Just specific. >> Yeah, I I know it just looked like we was just doing a lot of [ __ ] at the pump. >> Yeah, a little bit out of the ordinary. So, >> we had like [ __ ] It looked like we was using like [ __ ] five 10 cards, but we literally had to like like sometimes it start tripping. But >> So, who's who's the other dude? >> Oh, I don't know. Somebody was just with me. >> So, you don't know the other guy? >> No. >> Okay. So, the one that you knew was in the car. Not the white. Not the Spanish kid. >> No, I know the Spanish kid. >> You know the Spanish kid? You don't know the black dude? No. >> Okay. All right. Watch your feet for a little bit. I'll turn on the AC. >> All right. Appreciate it. They came from the gun tattoo. Uh, they came from the gun range. They come up here to get gas. They were using the one that was sitting in this passenger or the Spanish guy. These guys here, they're using his Fidelity card to go negative in their bank account to get gas is what he's saying. Swipe it. Negative. Know the passenger name. Is it uh rain? Okay. I think Steven's not. >> I need to know if any of them are named Steven. So check that. >> No, but but we we snagged him at the ATM with his head down. He didn't even know we were there. >> So he didn't have time to ditch anything. That's why he saw the gun on him and everything. >> I checked the the garbage cans. I don't see anything dropped in the garbage can. San Diego. >> So, I need felony convictions on >> They're running them all right now. >> I need felony convictions. I need >> I need shot himself before. >> Which one? >> The guy in the back seat. >> Okay. Um, this kid, uh, no one's named Stevens. I I saw him. What got my attention is they're both shite. Shy seed up, hoodie up. Okay. The passenger was sitting in there. He didn't He didn't do anything. >> All right. The guy's here. >> He is. >> Yes. He's in the back of one of the cars. >> Okay. We'll figure this out. I don't even know if we have. >> So, they had gas on. >> So, fully shyed up, hoodies up, >> and they were in and out trying to gas this car up. >> Car is going back to the tag. >> The tag. Okay. So, they were literally trying to No. Yeah. We're trying to >> I got it. >> Like three different cars they tried, but they're all massy up and they're like ducking into that back seat. They are like >> keep like when they do it like they're like skulking down and going in between these two cars together. >> Yes. >> I mean they're they're defin I mean two shyies. I mean >> listen if you're coming from the gun range you're not just Hey. Hello sir. Hey man. What's your name? >> Keon. Keon, what last name? Just say it for me. >> Steven. >> Okay. What's going on today? >> I see what's going on. I go to the interview. I actually think this morning I caught my daughter. So I was going to So I'm looking for >> Asia. Where were you in the car? >> Huh? >> Where were you in the cars? >> I was in the passenger seat. >> You just sat in that passenger seat the whole time, right? >> Yes. >> As of right now, you're not in trouble. You're just detained. Okay. >> I was just going to check my >> So I don't Right now, I don't think you're a suspect. Okay. I want this to be clear. I know you're handcuffed. >> That's crazy. I didn't even have not one card in my in my hand and they just blitz me like that. >> Why would we blitz you? >> Huh? >> Why would we blitz you? >> I was right there with my boy. >> What were you wearing? >> Oh, yeah. My mask >> and and >> your hood up, right? >> Is it like is it like 100° today? >> Yeah. You know, >> you see me like this in this nice cool shirt and these pants. I'm sweating. >> That's always That's always how I walk around. >> I saw you in and out a bunch of times of that car. What were you in the back of that in and out of the back of that car right there for >> my car? >> Which one's yours? >> The Infinity. >> Okay. You were You were at the gas pump with your with with Adrian. What were you doing? >> Showing him how to do the gas. Show him how to overdrive. >> Overdrive. >> Yeah. >> How do you How do you overdraft? >> All right. So, look. Boom. All right. So, I got Navy Federal, right? >> Uh-huh. >> Navy Federal let you overdraft up to $225. >> What What's your name? >> My name Kan. >> Kan. >> Yeah. >> What's your last name? >> Billings. >> Billings. Yeah, I'm supposed to be going to get my girlfriend for work. We got >> Where she work at? >> She work at a hospital. >> Okay. A medical center. >> Let me figure all this out. >> All right. >> The gun. Did you throw that gun into the trunk when you saw the cop pull up? >> Oh, no. You want to know what's crazy? >> Is that pulled over? >> That Glock was just sitting in the middle of the trunk. >> Cops did it. I had That's why I had the holster on me and the gun. >> How long ago? >> Uh, probably like it was a while ago. >> So, you didn't just come from the gun range? No. Okay. >> I ain't go to the gun right there. He put the gun in the back. >> All right. Hang on. Do you anything to talk to me? Okay, sir. >> Okay. That's why I'm telling you. I didn't just stop you. I saw you use a card a few times, try to use it, ducking in and out of back seats. Okay. I see a a tag that's not attached to the car. All right. >> So, so it makes me think, right, sir. >> And then I see you using an ATM. What's on ATMs? Right. Cameras. Why would you want to conceal your identity on a camera? because you're doing something elicit or wrong. >> No, >> that's what a reasonable prudent person >> a a reasonable prudent person does not do such things. >> The skimming devices lock the charges in. Under Florida statute 817.625, possessing a device to scan or skim financial account data is a secondderee felony up to 15 years per count. Two devices were recovered. While someone could claim no knowledge, three masked people with stolen cards and guns make that very hard in front of a jury. Theft above $1,000 falls under Florida statute 812.014, a thirdderee felony. Under Florida statute 790.23, a prior felony conviction makes firearm possession a separate count independent of fraud. Stack all three and every defendant faces serious compounding exposure. The gun range alibi collapsed when Kesan said they hadn't gone yet and Adrian confirmed it. That removes the one innocent explanation for armed masked people at a gas station. ATM. [clears throat] The stop rests on Terry versus Ohio. Multiple cards. Masked faces at ATM cameras. A plate that didn't match. That combination clears the threshold with room to spare. Under United States versus Ross, probable cause to believe a vehicle holds evidence authorizes a full search, including the trunk, without a warrant. The skimmers, the stolen cards, the firearm, all recovered within that legal framework. Every piece of physical evidence holds up. The detectives separated subjects before they could coordinate stories, and it worked. Kesan and Adrienne gave incompatible accounts of the same night independently. Officer Ranger told Kesan he was detained, not arrested, read Miranda in full. That transparency on camera protects the investigation from suppression motions later. Quesion kept talking after Miranda and had $300 in his pocket while claiming he needed to overdraft just to buy gas. That is consciousness of guilt on record. Adrien was on camera at the pump conducting the transactions directly. His alibi collapsed under basic follow-up. His role is documented. Keon had no cards in hand and no direct transaction visible on camera, but masked and present in a vehicle loaded with skimmers. Under Florida's aiding and abetting framework, presence with knowledge can be enough for criminal liability. The central question prosecutors must answer is exactly what Keon knew and when. First lesson, your phone is a witness. This case started because a victim had realtime banking alerts active. That single notification gave officers a live window to intercept. Enable those alerts. Fraud moves faster than a daily bank statement will ever catch it. Second lesson. Talking after Miranda is a choice, not an obligation. Officers read those rights because everything said after is fair game. Quesion believed his explanation would help. It didn't. It became the core of the case against him. Third lesson. Circumstantial evidence stacks fast. Masks, multiple cards, a mismatched plate, a holster with no gun on the body. None of those alone was decisive. Together, they built probable cause in under 20 minutes. When those factors combine, the stop is solid and so is everything that follows. The case outcome was not confirmed at the time of this analysis. Two skimming devices, a firearm, stolen cards, and post Miranda statements are confirmed on record. Drop a comment with the topic you want covered next. Thanks for watching. >> What's your name, sir? >> Anthony. >> Anthony. You're under arrest. You have you have an arrest warrant. Okay. >> Is there any guns in here? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Just stay right where you're at. >> You're under arrest for felony charges out of the city of West Palm Beach and referenced in fraudulent. Nope. That was for that was for Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. >> Yes. So charges city Palm Beach. Come on out. >> Come on out. >> No. Come on out. Put your hands on top. >> You're not going to see Detective Palasios anymore. But if I'm going to sit here and I'm going to have to accept you lying to me, I think that's a little bit unfair. I think that's disrespectful. and we'll just we'll just leave it at that and you stick to your story. If you want to be truthful and say, "Okay, listen, detective, we have been going through some tough times." On July 18th, 2024, [music] in West Palm Beach, Florida, a Staples general manager was arrested for stealing $30,000 in cash deposits across 11 bags over 7 weeks. The real issue is not whether the theft happened. The evidence is documented. The issue is what the law requires to turn that evidence into a conviction. >> And it goes through another person who works in corporate says, "Hey, we got three deposits outstanding." >> Mhm. >> And it's from uh it starts at the end of February. So I'm like two weeks behind on this notification. All right. >> Mhm. >> I request to the store to this GM, send me your Garta log that shows their sign for it. Garter comes picks them up once a week >> and then our weekly deposit log. So he sends that to me and they look fine. Look like they're picked up and gone. So I'm thinking, "Oh, it's not our fault. Must be the GA. >> They have a camera system." So I have to verify and confirm, right? >> So I'm watching it and in any given week, you got seven business days. Carter comes once a week, so you get seven business days. >> So they should pick up a minimum of of seven bags. >> Mhm. >> So Garter comes in. They're supposed to pick up seven bags. He scans six. It's clear as a day in the video. Camera right in there, right over top of you. Scanned. He has to enter them up. does it six times. So, he leaves with six. We have paperwork that shows he scanned six, not seven. So, we have one missing just in that example for $920. >> Mhm. >> So, the suspect here is that GM >> and um is and how long has has that big moment off? >> Yeah. It started the first deposit missing is the date um what is it? 229. >> 229. Yeah. And it's been going every week since. >> Yes. Well, it escalated obviously. Yeah. So, >> so in the beginning it was one bag. >> Yeah. >> And then how how >> it started one bag. Uh well it was sales date 226. That was the first one sales date. So we have 11 bags missing and that's the total loss we have right now. >> Okay. >> And everything that's occurred after this. He went on LOA shortly after this cuz I started sticking my nose into it. Hey, send me the logs. Send me this. He knew he was in big trouble. >> And nothing happened after 317. >> No. >> Okay. I started inquiring about 3:20 3:21 >> and it stopped >> and it completely Well, he left. Yeah. And he left and >> What day did he leave? >> Uh his last day worked I think was 3:29. >> 329 but nothing happened from 329. >> We're clean deposits picked up in the bank. >> The only person Let me show you the safe. So you get a little grasp here. >> I wish I could open it for you. Got a proper way. I have to get lots of this out. So here's the safe. This is where the deposits were kept. And >> this where the deposits I'm sorry. >> Yeah, >> where that's where they are. >> Yep. Okay. >> That's where they are. This is just your safe funds. This is where they keep all the money throughout the day where they get changed. So they never have to go in there. It's a separate separate deal. >> So at the end of the day, they get this, >> count it, and then put it in there. >> Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. The safe fund is what you operate your business with. It's like what you put in the drawers and then you need change throughout the day. That's that's what that is. The deposits are at the end of the night. Like tonight when he comes in, he's going to pull all the drawers and then, you know, subtract the $100 that we start the bank with, you know, the drawer, and then the rest of it's our profit the he seals it in the bag and they put it in there. >> There's a process for that. Got it. >> It's a twoerson process. Um, >> so but this was not this was not secured like this and it's not supposed it's supposed to work like that where guard comes in, puts in the second key. Well, I found out, you know, obviously after the fact that you just pull up the handle and the deposits were accessible. >> So, it wasn't secure. >> It wasn't secure. >> Was this door secure? >> Oh, yeah. That door is always closed. >> Okay. So, only people who have access to this door will have access to that. >> Yep. Yep. Key entry. And there's only there's there's five people in the building that held the key. So, that'd be the general manager, sales manager. >> Well, uh yeah, sales manager. Um he went to print marketing. So, let's see. the tech soup. They don't have a sales manager right now. So, it'd be the general manager, the tech suit, uh Mike, the MIS, and then you've got two two print marketing suits that have a key. But, you can eliminate almost all of them. Uh, one, and the reason is the print marketing soups never came in here during my investigation from 226 that didn't I never even saw them come in here, and they would have no need to. They probably don't want to come in here, >> uh, because they got enough business over there. Mhm. >> The tech soup. Uh he closes about every night. He's here right now. The way I can eliminate him. >> Mhm. >> Um >> he never came in here. >> Well, no, he came in here. All he closed, but he had no interest in that. Meaning he would the the way the process works is um he prepares the deposit. He leaves the money here and then a second person comes in. This is our process, the company. Second person comes in, they verify it so he's not stealing, right? They verify it. They put it in the bag while he's here and they seal it and the verifier throws it in there. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, it one's verifying the other and that's the process. And then they're really consistent on it about 90% of the time. I did see a couple days where the uh the person didn't come in and verify and he verified his own deposit. >> So, I already chewed him up for that. But um because [clears throat] it penalties you, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Especially if there's money missing from it, you think I'm going to talk to you. Uh anyway, so the thing about Dwayne, he's he's in here a lot, but the videos, the camera's right there, and it shows what he's doing. He's preparing deposit here. He doesn't go down there until he throws a deposit in. >> And Dwayne is the person that you're most suspicious of. >> No, Dwayne is he's clear. He's clear. He's the tech suit. The guy I'm suspicious of, it's so obvious. I'll show you a clip. >> Okay. >> The GM, he's got a drug problem. There's no question about this. everybody. I mean, I talked to the the key holders. I go, "Anything different going on?" Anyway, that's another story. That's He says he's in the hospital. He's in rehab. Anyway, um I [clears throat] don't know that for a fact. But he the GM is the only one. Well, first let me explain the video. The video here because there's so much dead time in this room. >> You could go six, seven hours in a day while we're open for business. No one comes in here. Door closed. >> Right. >> So, for me to for us to have to watch video for that would be >> Yeah. They skip forward until somebody's in here. >> Yeah. But you don't know. But the way it's set up, it's motion activated. So, as soon as that door comes open, the the video backs up maybe 2 seconds. >> Mhm. >> And then it it it starts recording. >> Okay. >> And then you see the door open, you see the people come in. So, what I saw was the GM coming in >> uh going into that deposit. So, when he's here bending down, digging around into the deposit, uh, from that angle, it's really difficult to see exactly what's going on. It's not like stealing from a register and you got the camera, >> but you don't see him. Put it in the pocket. >> No, it's not that obvious. What he does is he uses this prop right there. He used that once. This is this is lost and found stuff that shouldn't have been down there, but this envelope was in there and he's he has no reason to really go in there unless a customer says, "Hey, I left my passport here and there went anywhere." Yeah, >> but this is so out of policy, it's not even funny. It's not how we handle it. But anyway, that bag was down there and that's one of the things he messed with. And he would be down in there with the deposits >> and all of a sudden he walks out here and goes into his office with that bag and then comes back and puts it in. So >> Oh, so he takes that bag with him. >> Yeah. Takes it into his office there. >> And this does this have cameras? >> That's the That's the manager's office. Yeah, the camera's there. >> But does that camera see anything? >> No. No, there's no camera in there. >> Oh, there's no camera in there. >> You're not going to see it there. There is no clear concealment of the deposit bags. I'll tell you that right now. >> What the only the way you the only thing we have is kind of like a process of elimination. The person you can't accuse somebody of stealing something if they never went in there, >> right? >> He's the only one and he did it time after time after time. pants. >> What's your name, sir? >> Anthony. >> Anthony, you're under arrest. You have You have an arrest war. Okay. >> For what, sir? I just >> Is there any guns in here? No, sir. >> Okay. Just stay right where you're at. I'm >> under. >> You're under arrest for felony charges out of the city of West Palm Beach in reference to fraudulent. Nope. That was for That was for Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. >> You got some charges for city West Palm Beach. Come on out. >> Come on out. >> No. Come on out. Well, put your hands on top of the car. I'm back. charges for you. >> They're new. They're new. >> You You got arrested on the 12th, >> right? >> For Palm Beach County. That was for schemes of defraud and using other people's property, things like that. >> This is for something completely different. >> City of West Palm Beach. Charges. >> City of West Palm Beach. >> All right. So, would you rather take this take this off and I'll cuff you? >> Gosh. >> I know it sucks, dude. But this is this is what it is, brother. >> Yeah, I guess. I understand that. >> You got you got some keys on you? >> Yeah. I can get my phone from there. >> I'll get your phone. I will get your phone. You want to take this off? >> Anything? >> It' just be easier, more comfortable if you want to take that off. >> It's fraud stuff. It's nothing violent. You're not, you know, you're not >> I think he probably wants to I give it a shot. It's probably worth talking to him about. >> Um, so I'm recording. Um, I'm the detective assigned to this investigation. Okay. Uh, you understand that you're obviously under arrest. You have the right, >> right, to remain silent. >> Um, that anything you say may and will be used against you. Do you understand that? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So before we get started though, um right now it's the time for me to ask you questions and for you to answer whatever you want to answer. Okay. Um the allegations are that were you an employee of Staples? >> Yeah, I work for Staples. >> Okay. And then what's your date of birth, Anthony? Um how long do you work for Staples? >> I work for Staples. I started with them in New York. Um, and uh, >> when Detective Palasios confronts Anthony on camera, he says, "When there's no victim, there's no crime." That is a classic minimization technique and a misstatement of Florida law. Under Florida law, the decision to prosecute belongs to the state attorney's office, not the alleged victim. Staples dropping a civil claim would not end the criminal case. Still, under Colorado versus Connelly, a factual misrepresentation by police standing alone does not make a statement involuntary unless it overbears the suspect's will. That bar is high. Anthony kept talking anyway, and what he chose to say after that moment is where this case gets legally costly. >> Since April 2023, >> since April 2023, how long have you worked at the Staples here? And this staples here, I came um I think it was in around a August 2023 somewhere in there. August between August and September. >> Okay. So, you started around August or September. >> Yeah. >> 23. That date had moved around a couple times. It was initially supposed to be October, but it was earlier. >> Okay. What's your title? >> I was the a general manager for this location here for Are you still in growth market? Um no uh at well at this time I was on a extended medical leave I took very ill um my doctor took me out of work uh that you know was >> you know uh probably 3 months I I've been out I have not returned and I wasn't um you know due to uh the job and just the c you know the conditions of what was going on and you know was a big attributor to what made me sick. I you know my physician had recommended that I find a different job like >> what was it about the job that you don't have to tell me about your physical ailments but what was it about the job that will make you physically heal >> so um just uh very um strenuous uh shifts there was a lot the company went through some very major um realignments and shifts changes to their operation structures and personnel structures functional structures of personnel um you know in the time since I got there you know I was um brought there under the pretense and and agreement part of why I accepted it was because I was told it was a turnkey operation and then that it was going to be um transitioning to a growth market model. So upon going there and we we started getting bombarded with um very high level um visits from corporate from all over the country um you know from the investment group and with that leading up to it it would be fire drills to just prep make preparations clean the store get all things just perfect and I mean working open the close for days weeks at a time for that and then there would be the visits And then there would be a long list of uh initiatives and and to get obviously executed after the visit per their instructions that would happen probably you know at one point three four times a month. On top of that, um we you know my dis the district um and company did a whole realignment to where we had a new district manager, new divisional leader and it was very aggressive in this uh particular location and area and the surrounding stores hadn't gone through the transition. I'm just trying to set the >> So So you have a stressful job. I have a stressful job. People have stressful jobs. Do you have any idea? And and just this is the time where you can help yourself, >> right? >> Is you have any idea why a detective will be talking to you right now? And before you answer, please please. >> Mhm. >> Do you have any idea why I would be here talking to you specific to Staples? >> No, sir. No. >> So if if Staples management uh how many managers did you have under you at Staples? Uh so my direct reports my >> how many people had access on a key >> to the cash room at Staples? >> I would say other than myself there were uh I think four >> four other people. Okay. I mean, and that's just during that time, mind you, like I was telling you before, there were many visits with many managers at different levels, you know, whether they're regional, divisional, in and out of that store very frequently. >> Okay. The allegations is that there's money missing and just before you answer, >> I've been working this case now for quite some time, right? Okay. Mhm. >> So the allegations would you know whe there will be any allegations that there will be money missing from the cash room of Staples? I can tell you what I am privy to regarding um the discre discrepancies because I was involved with investigating them um probably I don't remember how long before I went out sick but um I remember we provided all the information and the the uh you know the uh armored carrier uh logs and you know just everything that went along with that. And at at that point um you know that's as far as I was um involved with that. Now with that, I know that was um as a result to it being reported in through the system that they um hadn't received um uh deposits that were >> Did you ever did you ever take any money from Staples >> in before you answer that I've been dealing with this for now a few months. >> Did you ever take any cash deposits from Staples? I did not take any cash deposits from Staples and I understand. >> Anybody else take cash deposits from Staples? >> Not to my knowledge. Not that I've seen or I'm aware of. I can I can tell you. Um >> Have you ever come to Staples in a day or time that you were not supposed to be working at Staples? >> Sir, I I would come to Staples uh off my schedule at different times all the time. And as related to what I was just explaining to you, um I would come there as a kid as you know. >> So if there's video of you >> walking out of that cash room >> with cash deposits, >> you're saying that that video would not be truth. >> I'm saying that that's not what it I did not take any cash deposits out of Staples now. And I was I had explained over the phone dealing with uh the loss prevention um TED and other and and you know as far as you know some of the concerns that I had regarding the safekeeping regarding you know the the process because they were on process and I was doing my best to get things on process to avoid the types of issues and the discrepancies that we were going through at that time. And what will be that what what will be one thing that you did to evacuate that? >> So in that um one of the main things is that in that particular safe um there is uh an internal safe as well like so when you open the main save there's another one >> and it's connected to a chute and the chute goes down just like every other retail. I've been doing retail a very long time and that's how it's supposed to be managed. So that way once it's dropped, it's secured until the armored car person comes and picks it up with their key um and you you know you have a second key. Well, what they were doing here is just uh preparing the cash and then putting it um in the safe, you know, putting it um at in the bottom which wasn't locked. Um they wouldn't lock it. it would be just set on day lock all the time. The one time I actually locked it, they had a connection because they couldn't open it. They didn't have the key. So, I found the key for them purchase safe. And another issue is that they were keeping all of the lost and found, which this place had collected a lot of lost and found. talking, you know, birth certificates, IDs, you know, just sentimental documents, everything from the copy center, flash drives, it was exploding out of the same um section that they were putting, you know, stacking their cash uh deposits up on. So I was working very hard to consolidate that lost and found to try to reach out to the people who who I felt like if maybe their marriage certificate or death certificate to try to get it back to them, you know, because a lot of these are customers that I was recognizing I was starting to, you know, they're they're regulars. They didn't even know. They call about documents and they be told that it wasn't there because they were so unorganized. They didn't have a process for keeping track of following up on these things. So I work very hard to to do that. you know, to get that um consolidated and to get on process with the cash handling. And I made it very very clear on the team as far as the expectation once I, you know, they were um they had a discrepancy on some of the cash drops. I was at that point starting to make sure that everybody was on process. Tim was or Ted rather was the same thing. He was telling me, you know, you know, let's make sure we all understand the the the correct process on that. At no time, there have been times where because of where the lost and found was situated, there there were times where I have gone in there to to recover a document or a belonging that belonged to a customer that left it there and I would bring it and get it get it to them or mail it to them. So, if there was a a like if I if you if I'm being seen taking something out and it's not like helping or assisting with the transition of a cash drop, then it's was in managing like the loss and found and managing uh you know the just the excessive amount of of uh liability and all of those documents there. >> So, you're saying that there was excessive amount of liability with the lost confound. >> Mhm. >> And you're saying that there was a kind of a mess. That's my word. It's a big mess >> between uh the cash and that >> for years. I mean, you these things were going back in 2013. >> But then you decide to merge the cash with the lost and found. >> No, no, no. It was already done. It was already >> That's not what I was told. Here's what the allegations are. >> That's not true at all. That is not true at all. >> Listen, you keep checking to go back. I I swear to you if you continue digging in the investigation for that fact of how they were managing lost and found and you'll see from before long before I got there they were using that bottom uh c cabinet as the lost and found with no um additional like separation between you know that stuff and the uh the deposit. Uh, but I one thing I did was made them put it all of the lost and found into like a consolidated bag that said lost and found on it, you know, and make them uh try to upkeep the lost and found ledger as as frequently as possible, you know, or as at least consistently. But that I there's I did not merge that those two things together. I was trying to break them apart and to get rid of eliminate the lost and found. And then going forward instead of automatically putting something that was found in there and forgetting about it, make an effort to contact to look up identify the person and reach out and let them know that you have their their item that and that's what we were doing up to that point. But they had things going back from like 2013 2014 in there and that was the issue. And I had expressed this concern to to to my direct supervisor to Ted as well. At no point did I did did I go in there and take money out of there. I mean, I I you know, I've been I've been going through enough and it it's been hard enough like what's been going on with I was working open to close for for months on end since I started there. no days off. And my family is out here. We haven't we were we weren't even able to settle into a permanent home yet. I have seven kids. My wife, we we weren't even a able supposed to be like that for this long, but I've been obligated to be here, which I've done in good faith, did my job, did everything I was asked, gone to other locations to help. >> Do you want to be truthful today, or am I just going to listen to you talk? >> And I'm just a straight shooter. a true like true false. >> So, so here's it in regards to money that is missing from the safe and you on video several times at least four that I counted that I saw >> where there's discrepancies in the cash. You walk into the vault, you remove the cash deposits and you hide them whether it's underneath a folder or under something else. So, do you want to talk about the truth or do you want to Because the truth will set you free. I'm a reasonable person. And when there's no victim, there's no crime, Anthony. So, if Staple decides not to be a victim any longer, you're not going to see Detective Palasios anymore. But if I'm going to sit here and I'm going to have to accept you lying to me, I think that's a little bit unfair. I think that's disrespectful. And we'll just we'll just leave it at that and you stick to your story. If you want to be truthful and say, "Okay, listen, detective. We have been going through some tough times and I went through this and I was against the wall because I will probably do the same thing, Anthony, if I have to feed my family. But please don't lie to me after I've been looking at this for months now cuz we're at the end of July and this is back from February and March I believe it was. And there's several deposits that are missing. And I don't know if you knew, but there Anthony, I'm giving you the facts and the truth. >> The truth is documented. So I'm not making it up. >> Understood. >> So, and there's videos where where it's it's on a sensory basis that when it censors somebody in the room, >> it goes off and it starts recording. >> I've reviewed those videos. I reviewed the consistency and I saw you grab deposits from underneath the safe, the safe that you're explaining. I saw you logging in on the clipboard, whatever you were logging. I saw you pull out certain things. I've already gone through that. I'm trying to understand >> why you did it so that I can pass along the information and you can potentially honestly help yourself. I'm not a judge. I'm not a jury. I just collect information. I review information and I'm I'm pretty decent at it. I'm not going to say I'm the best. I'm also very reasonable and I will share whatever message you have for me to share with Staples and management. But just please understand that this is this is a decent time for us to talk about the truth so that you can potentially help yourself by moving on out of this so that you can take care of your seven kids and your wife. sir. And I I very much respect that and I respect you and your and your time too, but I this is clearly a big misunderstanding. Um a a big big misunderstanding and I am not going to say that I've taken something that I haven't taken. >> The arrest was made on a valid warrant satisfying the fourth amendment under Gerstein versus Pew. Still, that warrant rested almost entirely on circumstantial evidence. Under the Florida standard jury instruction on circumstantial evidence, the evidence must be inconsistent with any reasonable hypothesis of innocence. Anony's lost and found explanation is exactly that kind of alternative hypothesis. That said, his presence in the cash room maps directly to the dates deposits went missing, and that collapses it. On the theft charge, Florida statute 812.014 defines grand theft as taking property valued at $750 or more. $30,000 puts this in secondderee felony territory, maximum 15 years. While the dollar amount is clear, attribution is still what the prosecution has to prove. Florida statute 817.034, 034. The Florida Communications Fraud Act adds a scheme to defraud charge. 11 bags over 7 weeks fits that definition exactly. Each transaction is a separate predicate act, which means 11 potential counts, not one. That charge stacking is what gives prosecutors leverage and almost certainly why Anthony took probation. On Miranda, Detective Palasios advises Anthony of his right to remain silent and that statements can be used against him. Under Miranda versus Arizona, four warnings are required before custodial interrogation. The footage captures two of those four. The right to an attorney and the right to appointed counsel are not documented on camera, which could seed a suppression motion. Still, courts do not automatically exclude statements just because part of the warning was off camera. What is not in dispute is what Anthony did next. He kept talking. Underberg House versus Tomkins. Invoking the right to silence must be unambiguous and explicit. Anthony never said, "I want a lawyer." Every word he spoke after advisement was fair game. Detective Palasios ran a professional investigation. He secured a warrant, coordinated across jurisdictions, and let Anthony talk at length before pivoting to the allegation. Tactically sound, the no victim, no crimeline is the one mistake. It opens the door to a suppression argument. To his credit, it did not overbear Anony's will, but it was an unnecessary risk. Anthony stayed physically compliant throughout the arrest. No resistance, no escalation. But his decision to keep talking after Miranda warnings was the most damaging choice he made. His lost and found explanation requires the jury to accept 11 coincidences in a row. The legally correct move was four words. I want a lawyer. Everything else can wait. Ted, the loss prevention representative, built the foundation this prosecution stood on. He cross-referenced bank records, Garta scan logs, and motion activated camera footage methodically. The gap was structural. The safe's lower compartment was not consistently locked, and the manager's office had no camera, which is exactly where Anthony took the bags. First lesson, if you are arrested, say nothing. Not an explanation, not a denial. Anony's talking gave prosecutors a detailed record. I want a lawyer ends it immediately. Second lesson, circumstantial evidence is not weak evidence. Florida law allows conviction on it alone. [clears throat] 11 missing bags and 11 documented cashroom visits is not a coincidence a jury accepts. Third lesson, internal controls only work when enforced. The twoperson deposit protocol was the right system. But when a manager verifies his own cash drops, that is not just a policy gap. It is evidence. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic you would like us to cover in the comments. Thank you for watching.