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The woman in the chair is forty-three. Five months ago her husband was shot dead on their front porch, and she went on television to plead for his killer. This is the fourth time detectives have brought her in. The man she called her brother on the nine-one-one call is in the next room. Buford, Georgia, the sixteenth of November, twenty seventeen. George Young is forty-three. He works in security, alarm systems by day and guarding celebrities by night, and he has three sons. He is on the phone with a co-worker all the way home. At twenty-three minutes past eleven he says he has arrived, and the call ends. He puts his key in the front door. Two shots. He goes down on his back with his feet to the door and the key still in the lock. The nine-one-one call from inside the house comes at eleven thirty-one. Eight minutes. The next day his wife is on the local news. A month later, when the reward reaches five thousand dollars, she is on again: "You took an innocent man from his wife If you can find it in your heart, turn yourself in." Inside the house that night were her mother, her three sons, and a On the nine-one-one call she called him her brother. have things been? Stressful. Um... A lot of- A lot of stress and just a lot of grief. A lot of financial issues? Um, we're struggling. We're making it with my mom's help. Um, Tim helps and what I have for Social Security for the boys. Okay. You said Tim's mom helps or your mom helps? My mom. Oh, okay. mom. Um, one of the, one of the things is that we, when we bring people in over and over, obviously I know that because of the things we were going, because of the suspected relationship between you and him, because of all of those things, you were listed, you know, as a suspect, but you, you knew that, right? I found out through- ... Okay yeah. uh, and I just did the same thing with Tim in there after talking to you, um, is that I'm gonna have to read you your rights, okay? You're not, I don't have a warrant for you right now or anything like that, but to continue talking, because this is the fourth time I've talked to you, I have to read it to you, Um, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you are being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. If you decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements, or you can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statement. Does that make sense? You understand that? Yes. Okay. You sure? or you were in bed, um, were you, like, in a deep sleep, or were you just kind of sleeping, or what was going on then? Um, as far as I remember, I was in a deep sleep. Okay. And then what happened? Uh, I heard two loud noises. I wasn't sure if it was firecrackers or what it was. Mm-hmm. Um, I sat up on my bed, looked around. My baby boy was still asleep. Um, if I remember correct, I think I went to Tim's room, but he wasn't there. His light was on. Mm-hmm. Then I remembered he was downstairs on the computer, so, um, I think at that point he said... I think he said he was gonna go get his gun. Mm-hmm. Go up to his room, go down and check, see. I remember him opening the door, um, shutting it pretty quick- Mm-hmm ... telling me to call 911. And I called 911. The lady, um, goes through the whole thing, "What's your emergency?" Mm-hmm. Um, and then I told her, um, that my husband was... Well, we heard gunshots, and my brother opened the door and said that it was my husband. Okay. She wanted to know, I think, where the shots were is what she needed to know, and yeah, sh- that's the first thing she asked. I told her I couldn't do it, I couldn't go down there. Um, so she said, "Is there anybody can look that can?" I said, "My brother." So he looked- Mm-hmm ... told me what he thought he saw, so I relayed it to her, and then she wanted me to do CPR. Mm-hmm. I don't know CPR first of all, and if I did, I don't think I'd have been able to gather myself to do it. I don't know. I may could have, but I don't think so. Yeah. Police were on the porch at eleven-forty. One shell casing. No wallet missing, no phone missing. And a neighbour across the street who had looked out of his window after the shots and watched a man come out of the house, guy. Okay. Um, one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about, obviously, is I've talked to Tim and one of, one of the things that... You know, I'll just be honest with you, in the beginning, issues with him is, you know, we had talked to you and you, you had told us what you had told us and there was, you know, I won't say there was much to that. But, um, Tim just seemed, you know, there was a lot more confrontation going on with him during the first interview and talking to him the, the day that you guys came up there, um, because of that whole tracker thing, which you said you didn't know, uh, said that there was some kind of- Yeah, George came to me about it- Yeah ... but like I said, I never knew it was actually purchased and the whole nine, but. Okay. So did you, did you know the night that that happened before whatever was going on with you and Tim, that he had gone and retrieved that off the car? since. Do you, did you feel like that was... And I just want your opinion on it, 'cause I'll tell you how it looks to us. Do you think that was weird that in the moment that his friend is laying out on the front porch bleeding out, his first thought is to go to the car and pull that off instead of rendering aid to George? Yeah, I found that weird. Yeah. And that was before the, he did CPR? Yes, yes. Okay. Yeah, I found that strange. Weird. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously I do. That's why I wanted to know. Yeah, yeah. And we asked him and he admitted that he went and did it, and he didn't have a good answer. He didn't really have an answer as to why. He said he didn't want you to find it or the family to find it, and they would know. But I said, "It's under the car. Who's gonna look under the car?" That's weird. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. Um, but well, let me just ask you, do you think that there's... Have you ever felt that he was, may have been involved in this in any way? I don't. I mean, I know that part of it doesn't add up. At all. Um, but I personally, the only reason I've d- well, not the only reason, but I just never seen any beef between the two of them, um, at the house. Okay. I've never heard George... And me and George had a really good relationship as far as he would tell me- Wow ... about stuff that went on or he got into it with somebody at Ackerman or it, whatever. Right. But he never mentioned to me ever that they had- ... a beef, disagreement. Like I said, even Tim, I went to him several times about, you know, Mm-hmm. You know, and then at the end of the year, George, he came to George again. "Do you want me to go?" And George came to me and was like, "What do you think? 'Cause I'm cool with him being here. I go out of town so much, I feel better with him here." So it's like I never, George never let on that ever that he had a beef or was, was threatened or scared of him or- Mm-hmm ... I just never witnessed anything. Mm-hmm. And the kids haven't, and as far as- ... Yeah I know my mom hasn't, so I just- Yeah ... that, that part doesn't make If these recordings are why you are here, subscribe. The next tape is already in the edit. Okay. Um, all right. Well, I'll, I'll kind of just go into what I have, okay? So after talking to him, and I've talked to David multiple times, and then I talked to Tim again today, okay? I'm, I tell you right now, I have a whole lot of stuff that points that Tim had something to do with it, okay? And I know him and David were good friends and some stuff was going on. I went over there and just talked to him now. Um, and obviously you guys knew you were coming up here and I wanted to follow up with him, but that's because I knew I was gonna talk to him about the stuff that I had found, okay? Um, I'll say that conversation went pretty quickly, okay? There's not, like, a whole lot that he was gonna be able to deny, okay? I'm telling you that the investigation shows that he had something to do with it. The interesting part, though, is that he implicated you in it. He said you guys were in a relationship and that you were the mastermind behind all of this, and it was your idea because you wanted the million-dollar life insurance policy- That's, that's bullshit ... and he could take over George's job and- That's a lie ... you guys would be set to be together. That's- And that was the, the whole deal. Well, I can tell you that's a lie. Okay. That's a lie. So I- I didn't- ... wanna hear from you the truth and what was really going on- ... That's- because if he's, that's what he's telling me and I already know he's involved, you see how- ... That's- that makes it look? Yeah, but that's bullsh- Okay ... I can tell you that's bullshit. Okay. Well, me why- I don't, first of all, like I said, I don't know that he's involved. I don't know anything about what happened that night, nothing. Well, listen, I'm trying to- I didn't even know the policy was any good until me and Rob called a couple days later. Okay. So there's no... There, first of all, I'm used to struggling. Mm-hmm. Me and George have struggled our entire marriage financially. Mm-hmm. I don't... I would never t- hurt or take anybody's life for no money. Mm-hmm. And like I said, first of all, I know at one point George had a million dollar one, a 450, and then I had a 250 on me. Mm-hmm. I knew he had at some point dropped mine. Mm-hmm. I didn't know he dropped the 450 until me and Rob started our calls and found out one was no good, and the other one was. Mm-hmm. But him taking over the business, I know nothing about that. Okay. That was never a discussion we had. One Okay. Yeah, this is new to me. Um, also, he was looking at that app for the tracker, which in his words, is only supposed to be in case something was gonna happen to him, to find the truck, not him, which is weird that you're only worried about the car and not him. And yet he was looking at it from the day that he bought it on the 6th. He was looking at it every single night, and he was looking at it the night before George came home. You're talking the night of the 16th? Mm-hmm. So, okay, so the tracker sends a message to his phone? I mean, I'm confused. Okay. So a couple days prior to the murder, earlier in the month of November, tried to download these apps on your phone, just like an iPhone app or a Samsung Android, I'm not sure how that one works, where you can track somebody's phone. Well, when you do that, you're not allowed to do that without their permission, so when you put in that person's number that you wanna track, it sends them a notification. I have it on George's phone where he got the notification and then asked- Okay ... Tim, "Why am I getting this?" And he said, "Oh, Zena's trying to track me because of stuff going on with her. Don't worry about it. I'm sorry about it." But I know for a fact he signed up for it because it came to his email through his phone number that he signed up for it. He has to download the app on the phone. So you see what I'm saying? Okay. So George didn't know he was trying to track him, otherwise he would've been like, "Hey, I'm tracking you because we talked about this before, remember?" Oh, okay. I see. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Then he got that actual tracker and was using it, the one he put on the car. Okay. I was- He was looking at that one on his phone- Okay ... we have the app, and I can show every time he opened it, every single night from the night that he bought it up until the night of the murder. And he was looking at it the night of the murder before George got home. So he knew when George was gonna be home because he was watching him on the map. Okay. So, he is a spy. that, he was researching all kinds of, uh, poisonous things online. He researched black mamba venom, which is the most venomous snake in the world. You cannot buy their venom online like he was trying to, over 27 times. That's how many times he looked it up to try to find... He tried to find the venom, then he tried to find breeders where he could buy the snakes himself. Uh, you see how that looks? And then a week later you buy a tracker to put on his car, and then I know that you're looking at it the night of the murder. And the first thing you did instead of helping your friend, was run out to the car and take the tracker off. Who does that? You know what I'm saying? In front of a jury, when you look at that and say, "What would a reasonable person do?" No reasonable person would jump over a dead body or somebody who's dying to go pull something off a car. That would be the last of their worries. Right. that's my question to you. Now, the problem is, is that now he's bringing you into it. I have nothing to do with it and know nothing about it. That's what I'm s- The tracker was bought on the sixth of November, ten days before. Police said the app was opened every night from then on, and on the night itself, before George got home. The day before he bought it, a friend texted him that they needed to get a place. His reply, read aloud in this room: "I got to end this mess first." So you called, you called the insurance the very next day, right? After... The next day or two days later, I can't remember. Yeah. So it was the next day. And do you see how that looks, though? But, my mom could tell you if you talk to her, she started bothering me that next morning. Mm-hmm. She said, "Tia, you need to... Do you have insurance? How are you gonna do a funeral or anything?" And I said, "Mommy," and she could tell you if you call her right now before I can even reach her. I said, "Mama, I can't deal with that now." Mm-hmm. "I'll worry about that later." I said, "This is... I'm overwhelmed with what just happened." Mm-hmm. And so she kept saying that. And matter of fact, it was her and... She kept... 'Cause she knew I didn't have a job. Mm-hmm. She said, "How are you gonna do a funeral if you don't know if he has a policy?" Mm-hmm. And I said, "Mama, I'll get to that in a couple days. Th- I'm not..." I said, "Right now I'm overwhelmed with what just happened." Mm-hmm. This was at, he died on Thursday, this was like You know, and one of the other things is that we get these Crime Stoppers tips. Yes. And both of these right here have him listed on it, that people want us to look into him. You see what I'm saying? I see what you're saying. It's just, it's one thing after another. I see what you're saying. Yeah. But I can tell you, I don't know nothing, nothing about it. Okay. I would never trade my husband's life, ever, for money. Mm-hmm. And I've made that comment to numerous of f- family members and friends, and I mean it. Mm-hmm. I really mean it. 'Cause that doesn't replace him or my kids having None of it. So you guys were... So what is he... So what about the part where he says that you and him have been in a relationship for a long time? We have not. We've been in a very close friendship. He's like, we started off like, I mean, it's like we're bro- First of all, it was like he was a stranger when he first came. 'Cause I haven't seen Tim probably in 15, 20 years since he was young. Um, the longer he was there, 'cause he is very quiet, we became close. You know? Um, in his phone you were... He had you saved in his phone as Big Sis. You knew about that, right? Yeah. Okay. Um, this is your phone. It's from your phone. Why does, why is he saved under a Sonia under your phone, both of his phones? That's just what I put under his sister, his older sister named a Sonia. And why would you do that, though? Unless you- I mean- I mean, that, that looks like you're trying to cover up him being in your phone, like you didn't want George or somebody to see. Oh, no. That's, I mean, there's quite a few people in my phone that I don't have under their actual name. Okay. Um, so one of the things that, you know, like I told him is that when we took his phones we could get everything that was done. Okay? Mm-hmm. So obviously, um, I was able to retrieve everything that was off of his phone. Okay? And so I have all of these emails that you sent him talking about yours and his sexual relationship. Do you remember those? Yes. Okay. So this is where we're at, Tia, okay? I want you to listen to me. Mm-hmm. I know what's been going on. I know Tim's involvement. I also know there's a lot more that's been going on here, okay? What I want from you now is to understand all of this, because what it looks like is you're this hateful, horrible spouse that connived with your live-in boyfriend to kill your husband for money. If that's how it is, then that's fine. You can tell me that. But if that's not what happened, then this is your only chance to tell me what was really going on. That's not what happened. Then tell me what's... This is your only chance to tell me what's really going on, because everything else looks really bad. And I'm telling you right now, if you put all of this in front of a jury without your explanation of it, they're gonna... That's exactly what they're gonna think. I did not have anything to do with George's death. Okay. And definitely no- nothing to do with hi- wanting him dead for money. Nothing at all. Okay. So you're willing to let all of that stand in front of a jury? Yes. As far as having anything to do with his death, yes, I am. I am, 'cause I know I di- I had nothing to do with it. All right. So George got home at 11:23, okay? And he had just gotten off the phone. And when he got off the phone, he came inside, or came to open the door. Um, and that's when people remember hearing the shots around that same time, too, okay? Mm-hmm. The 911 call was not placed till 10 minutes later when you guys called. In that time, I've gone over the story with you multiple times and you've told me that he went, he opened the door, he saw it was George and all of that. When I made the call... When he told me to call 911, the lady asked me- Mm-hmm ... I said, "I heard some shots." Mm-hmm. Um, she asked me, I believe she asked me, um, do... I don't know. I think she might've asked me did I know who it is or whatever. I don't remember. I don't remember all the details. But what I'm saying is when I, when I called, it was not staged. I called- Mm-hmm ... soon as I heard the shots, went and found Tim. Well, what I thought at first was gunfire, 'cause I wasn't sure what it was. Okay. Um, and went and found Tim, and he checked and told me whatever the timeframe was to call 911. That's what I did. Okay. Nothing w- I did not stage the conversation or any Well, talk to me about this then. How did this happen? How did you guys enter into this relationship while he's living into the hou- living in the house behind George? Um, it, I don't remember when it, I don't, I don't remember exactly when it started. I think it was around the time that, um, that I thought George was messing with the girl Mariah. Mm-hmm. Um, I never had any real proof. I saw something on his tablet at one point, um, and I questioned him about it. He denied it. He said, you know, he was not sleeping with her, she was just a secretary for him and Rob. Mm-hmm. Um, I didn't have anything to worry about. But I just, to me, I felt like it was more to it than that. Okay. Mm-hmm. So, you know, these messages was, were in that phone, okay, the day that we went to go do the search warrant when you called Ken and told her to go get the phone. Is this what you were worried that we were gonna find? To be honest, yes. Well, that's what I want, is honesty today. To be honest, yes, I was. Okay. 'Cause this looks really bad. To be honest, yes. I was very afraid of that part. Okay. Yes. The friend she called did not move the phones. That single phone call became two counts on the indictment: attempting to tamper with evidence, once to protect him, once Mm-hmm. Well, I'm, let me just go over some of the issues because I gotta understand what's going on, okay? The white SUV thing that you guys had talked about, I asked Rob about it, I've asked a bunch of other people about it. Nobody else knew that but you and him. See, that's information that's sending me down, we'll say, a wrong trail that was only coming from you and him, so that makes it look like you guys are in something together, okay? Every time that I've talked to you, it's kind of been a different story about what happened that night, and I understand it can be traumatic, but when things like this happen, people don't forget No, she was never asleep. I don't, I never took care. Well, okay. No, wait. You went to go get your mom, and you brought her on the catwalk with you. One time you said you stood out there, you talked to her. That's what I can hear in the 911 call. The time before that, you said you took her into your bedroom and put her in the closet so she wouldn't wake up your kids. When she started having a breakdown, yeah, I took her in the closet. Okay. She told me that didn't happen. She told you what? That she never had a breakdown? She told me she never went into your room and went into the closet. All right. And that night you gave your middle son the Unisom, correct? Uh, yeah. Okay. But I give him, I mean, he gets that a couple times a- Yeah ... I mean- Well, he had before, but when we spoke to him, he said he hadn't gotten it in a long time, and that was the very first night he'd gotten it in a long time, in over a month. Yeah, Yeah. it probably been a couple weeks, I guess. You see what I'm saying, though? That night, the night that he normally goes out in the middle of the night between 9:00 and midnight is the night your husband comes home at 11:00 PM and gets killed. That makes it look like you gave it to him so that he wouldn't wake up during that time period. And it's also weird that we're there, the ambulance comes, the police come, we walked in their rooms and went everywhere, and none of them woke up in any of that. And I, but I asked. room where the boys- But why was that your concern? Even on the 911 call, you tell them, "Don't come lights and sirens." Your husband is laying out on the front porch dying, and you're worried about the kids waking up? I didn't want my kids to see my husband bleed to death on the front porch, Mr. Smith. I understand that to an extent, but I just think you would be worried about him and not... I mean, your kids are gonna find out. I want, Well, I wanted her to send help, but I didn't want her to des- if my kids had saw their dad laying in the front door dead, I didn't want them to have that picture in their mind. Mm-hmm. I feel like any mom would've done, just like my mom did it for me. When my dad committed suicide in '07, I was upstairs asleep. He hung his self in the basement. Mm-hmm. She let me sleep upstairs and did not wake me up until he... She was hoping he would be removed from the basement before they woke me up, but I ended up waking up on my own because of the commotion. Mm-hmm. Two days after the shooting, on the Saturday, the detectives had already sat down with each of the three boys, one at a She was in the next room. What the two older boys said is why this interview is happening. No. The crazy thing is I always am up late. That's what your mom said, yeah. Always. Like, but on Wednesday my mom had told me, "We're gonna have-- We're gonna start making you take sleeping pills again, 'cause you gotta start getting more sleep because you stay up late all the time." So that Thursday she had me taking, she had me take two sleeping pills and I was gone by... The last time I checked the clock it was 10:24. And yeah. Was that the first day you had, had taken the sleeping pills? The first day of taking them in months. I had taken, taken them at the beginning of the year because my sleeping schedule was jacked up since I was off school so I stayed up even later- Mm-hmm ... the night. Yeah, but- too, so. Okay. And what about, um, your mom and Tim's relationship? Oh, are you kidding me? They alwa- she always be in his room talking to him. Like, they real friendly, like. She al- like, if my dad's not at the house or ... Yeah, if my dad's usually not at the house, she'll be in his room talking to him. Okay. Like, she was talking to him a lot, like, like just a lot, just. Ever since he's usually been there, he was ... He said they always be making jokes and stuff, so. Now you're talking about your brother or you're talking about George? My dad, yeah. Okay. So has he came to you recently at all and told you about anything? No, I just, I mean, I mean, obviously now I'm thinking about it now, but only thing I could mention, he just kept saying, um, like throughout the co- like maybe last two, three months of me playing soccer and stuff, he would just... When we would have our talks and going places or whatever, and it would just be me and him, he would just be like, just like make, he was just like, "Make sure," he kept saying like, "Make sure you kn- make sure you know what you gonna do, I mean, you know, obviously, that could happen any time, but like, he just kept telling me, "Make sure," he was like, "Make sure you got, you... Also I'm help- trying to help you now." Like, I work with him, too. I mean, like, probably didn't know that, but he was like showing me how to, um, like how his business going. Like, he was getting me started on that. Like I was, I've been working for him, with him for about two years, so, like, kind of know some stuff. But it, I haven't been able, with me doing sports and school and all, I haven't been able to work consistently. It was usually like a summer job I was doing. Those interviews were recorded in November. What follows was recorded in April, an hour into the fourth interview, after she has been told what the boys said. that's, that's some bull. I can tell you that. That's some bull. Yes, I will admit, and I'll, I apologize for lying. I am very embarrassed about this. I really am. Um, I am. And you guys are still- I was wrong for lying ... in a relationship now? Yes. To be honest, yes. I'm just gonna be honest. Yes. Well, that's what I want 'cause l- listen, Tia, I'm telling you this is how it looks, and I keep telling you this. He's gonna try to take you down with him, and I'm telling you, when he gets up there and he starts talking about everything and what you did, what you did, and you don't have anything to counter that, and you don't have a way to say, "No, that's BS because this is actually what happened, and this is what he told me, or this is..." That's right there is gonna be a huge issue. You see what I'm saying? I understand. Are you ready to go to jail today for this? past your husband dying? Um, the first two months we didn't. It started back up around the 1st of March. The first couple of months we didn't. We called it o- we just stopped because I'm gonna tell you the truth. I was afraid that my boys would end up picking up on something is wrong- Mm-hmm ... or catching, you know, catching us kissing or something. So we both said, "The boys have been through enough," and I didn't want to chance them seeing anything inappropriate to send them I'm telling you, Tia, he's gonna take you down in a ball of fire with him. Well, he'll be doing it with a bunch of lies, because I had... The sex, the sexual relationship, I will admit. I'm embarrassed to stand before a jury to admit it, but if I have to, I have to. I mean, it's, it happened. I lied about it and I'm s- I'm s- I'm sorry. I mean, it was embarrassing that I did. But as far as the murder, I ain't got shit to do with it, don't know nothing about it, had nothing to do with it. Nothing. I know nothing about it. Nothing. And you never suspected him in all there's nothing. The only thing, like I said, that I have to admit now to the world, I guess, is the affair. Well, I just- I mean, unfortunately ... I just want you... I don't want you to protect him. I'm not protecting him. I have to own what... The things that I'm guilty of, I will own it at this point. The affair, I'm very embarrassed, and I know my mom and my children will be very hurt by it. But if it has to come out, it has to come out. But anything beyond a, a freaking affair, that's it. That's the only thing I'm guilty of, is having an affair. Yes, and I'm not be- I'm not li- um, belittling it like it's nothing. Mm-hmm. I know that's a big thing. So I'm not saying it like, "Oh, that's all I did," but that is the only damn thing I'm guilty of, is that. That is it. And is it wrong? Is it dirty? Is it treacherous? Yes. But I will own it. That's, Now, will you be telling... I know you... It's, I mean, it's up to you whether you tell me or not. Will you be telling his mom and his sisters about it? About the affair? Yes. I won't discuss those types of things. If, if he was charged or somebody's charging him, then I will tell him, "Hey, so-and-so's been charged in a murder." But I'm not gonna that dangerous and tell them. Okay, because I prefer if you gonna tell them, I'd rather tell them first. Okay. That's the way I'm asking. All right. Well, let me go talk to him again, okay? Yeah. Is there anything else you need right now? No, but I'm gonna... My son needs to So tell me, why are you lying about it? Um, I like the exercise and I like the, plead the Fifth. Do you wanna continue this conversation? Or you just don't wanna talk about this? Um, if I can go or if I can contact my own attorney- Okay ... at this point. Do you have an attorney? No. Okay. for me, please. Okay. Turn and face the wall. Okay. Uh, if you wanna take off your visitor pass. Okay. All right. You don't have anything in your pockets, do you? My keys. Your keys? Yes. Where's your cell phone? It's in the car. In the car? Okay. All right. If you wanna just put your hands on, on the wall. This one? I don't know much about what's going on, okay? But I know if you have anything on you- Mm-hmm ... that could be deemed a weapon or anything like that- Okay ... um, you could get in more trouble. Yeah. Okay? You don't have anything on you? No. Not even like a dime bag of weed or nothing like that? No. Okay. Separate your feet for me. Okay. Okay. Um. Okay. Do you wanna put your hands behind your back? Okay. Over your head. Like this? Yeah. I will get you a bag. Okay. Um, and put all your property in it. All right. What's your full name, young man? Tia. Tia? Mm-hmm. It's a short ride. Okay. Stand by just a second. You grab my bag? Yep. They were indicted together in June, twenty eighteen, and tried together the following spring. Neither testified. On the fifth of April, twenty nineteen, the jury found Harvey Lee guilty of malice murder, and Tia Young guilty of felony She was found not guilty of malice murder. He got life without parole. She got life, with parole possible after thirty years. The Georgia Supreme Court upheld both convictions in twenty twenty-two. No court has ever said who fired the two shots. The million dollars was never paid out. The boys stayed with her mother.