I mean- ... not involved, it would be an adamant, "I didn't do this" ... oh, I didn't do it. I di- I definitely didn't do it. Like, this is, absolutely, I definitely, this is... You know, What's going on? What is this about? Got a warrant, bro. Why don't you f—ing listen to us? Somebody's hurt, man. This is the man they have been looking for. He does not know it yet. It is a Tuesday morning in June, twenty twenty-four, on a quiet street in Washington, D.C. He went out for a coffee. The men in the polo shirts are a United States Marshals task force. Twenty-three years earlier, a few miles up the road in Chevy Chase, Maryland, a woman named Leslie Preer was beaten and strangled in the front hall of her own house. Whoever did it left something behind. It was under her fingernails. It waited twenty-three years for a name. Just having some coffee. So you didn't know anything about this warrant? Our boss will tell you everything about it. I'm gonna take him — hold his arm. Move your arm back. There's your bike. Coincidence, I think. By noon, this man will be sitting in a homicide interview room saying four words. I didn't do it. They are the same four words her husband said, to the same police department, twenty-three years before. One of those two men was telling the truth. Drummond Avenue is a dead-end street of brick colonials, the kind of place where the neighbourhood watch sign is not a joke. Leslie Preer was forty-nine. She had a husband, Carl, who everybody called Sandy, and a daughter, Lauren, who was grown and out of the house. Leslie worked for a small firm, and when she did not turn up, people noticed. On Wednesday the second of May, two thousand and one, she did not arrive. Nine-one-one, what's your emergency? I'm at Drummond, Chevy Chase. I work for a company, and we didn't hear from an employee. We just walked in the door, her husband and I, and there's blood in the foyer, and it looks like something possibly happened. You're not in the house anymore, are you? We're in the house right now. The husband's looking around. You're with the husband? I'm with the husband, yes. When was the last time he… The last time the husband saw her was seven forty-five this morning. Did she have a car or anything? No, she was going to walk to the bus. Is there a lot of blood? But it looks like there's possibly a struggle, a couple things knocked down. Can I ask you guys to step out of the house? Sure. The voice on that call is her boss, Brett Reidy. He had phoned Sandy at work at about a quarter past eleven, and the two men drove to the house together. The front door was unlocked. There was blood smeared along the wall of the foyer. A rug was out of place and stained. The dispatcher asked whether they were still inside. They were. Sandy was already walking through the rooms. Officers found Leslie upstairs. She was face down, partly inside the shower stall of the master bathroom. The medical examiner would say she had been strangled, and that her head had been battered against the floor of the foyer downstairs. Somebody had attacked her by the front door, and then she had been moved upstairs. There was blood in three separate rooms. And there was one more thing. Leslie had fought. Under her fingernails were skin cells that did not belong to her. That same evening, Sandy Preer sat down in a room at Montgomery County police headquarters. You can see the time stamp on the tape. He came voluntarily. He answered questions for hours. And from the first minute, he was the suspect, because when a wife is murdered at home, the husband is always the suspect. kind of sticks out in your mind about, uh, about s- what Leslie, somebody that Les- Leslie may be, uh, involved with, and I just jotted a few things down if I, if I, if I can look at them. Uh, one, and I'm just throwing this out, I'm not saying anything, I'm just... This was a concern of Leslie's. Uh, and I just, you know, for the things that I know. One is, um, she said that, um- She? Leslie said that, um, she, she thinks Brett's a control freak es- especially with her. Um, when she used to work there part-time it seems like everything was, was fine, and then she started to work, work there, work there full-time and it seemed like Brett just completely changed and, um, he wanted to get control of her. He's in... Basically she, uh, she said that he was a c- a control freak. Some of Listen to how he starts. He is handing them names. Anyone who might have had a problem with Leslie. He mentions her boss. um, she, she thinks Brett's a control freak es- especially with her. Um, when she used to work there part-time it seems like everything was, was fine, and then she started to work, work there, work there full-time and it seemed like Brett just completely changed and, um, he wanted to get control of her. He's in... Basically she, uh, she said that he was a c- a control freak. Some of He walks them through his morning in minute detail. The board meeting. The emails to his brother, his sister and his father. The phone call from Brett at a quarter past eleven. is when I got the call from Brett, and that was about 11:15. And he wanted to know about if it was a doctor's appointment, um, uh, if there was anything, um, that they didn't know why she wasn't at work. I said, "No, not that I..." I said, "No." Um, she didn't have a doctor's appointment. Again, that's when I said, uh, "I think there's a problem." Um, I said, "One of us will, will, will get back with you." Um, went in and talked to Bill. Bill was going into a meeting. I was gonna tell him that I'm get- I'm gonna have to zip home. Um... This is Bill? Wingate. Uh, then went and talked to Eileen and said, "I think there's, there's a family emergency and I might be gone for a while." And then left for the house. How'd you leave? Oh, God. Do we have to go through this whole thing? You can read that at your leisure at some Then the questions change. They ask about the shower. Who used it that morning, what the shower curtain looked like, where he keeps his razor. He does not understand why. We do. His wife's body was found in a shower. So that's, that's, uh... And then but there's different, uh, one in the other bathroom. A different shower curtain? Yeah. Yes. Uh, or different... It's nicer looking. Mm-hmm. She hadn't raised hell with you about that or anything? Oh, you mean about how bad the shower- Yeah ... Man, we were always talking about, uh, changing it, but she didn't raise hell to me about it. Okay. Okay. Where do you keep your towel and washcloth? My towel and washcloths? It's, it's, uh, it's in the same bathroom, in the same bathroom that the, the ones that, uh, the, the clean ones are in the closet and we use, use the same one in the, in the, uh, uh, in the bathroom. Same one. The same, with the same towels. She may use it the night before or, or, or whatever, but the same towels are in, are in that bathroom. It- Is that in a, in the closet behind the door inside the bathroom? Or- You mean where the towels are? Yeah. The, the new towels? The fresh towels? Yes. Oh, oh, the fresh towels are in the closet in the, in the, in the, uh- Hallway ... in the hallway. We'll hang towels up in the, in the, in the, in the bathroom to use those again. The shower bathroom. The shower. The, if, if I'm understanding your question, the show- the, where the medi- not the medicine cabinet, but where the, the door is behind the, the door, we don't put towels in there, if that's what you're asking me. Okay. No, I was asking, like, where do you keep your towel and washcloth that you use on a daily basis? We'll just keep the towel, uh, You took a shower in the morning when you got up? Correct. Did you shave or did you shave the night before? Correct. I sha- oh, I sh- I shaved then, 'cause I showered that morning. I'll sha- Electric shave or ... I use, I have a, um, straight razor. Okay. It's a Trac III. It should have been in the shower. A straight razor or a- You know, the t- uh, Trac, uh, Mach, Mach 3, whatever. Mach 3 with the three blades. The three blades. Has a metal handle? Has a metal handle, and I keep it in- It is a safety razor. Yeah. Yeah, it's a Mach 3. And I keep, I keep it in the shower on that little rack that they have right there. It's, it's in the shower. Okay. Did Leslie shower with you that morning? I don't think so. No, she did not. To my rec- best recollection, I don't think so. Okay. And your towel and washcloth is kept where? Somewhere in the second session, Sandy's lawyer tells him to stop answering. And the detective on the other side of the table says something that tells you exactly how this is going to go. Sandy. You can do any doggone thing you wanna do. The very last time that we're gonna have a chance to talk without a whole bunch of doggone lawyers involved, and lawyers just mess up the whole doggone us? I'm not saying anything without my attorney being here. We can't make you say anything, Sandy. Can't beat you over the head with a rubber hose or telephone He took a polygraph. He failed it. Understand what that means and what it does not mean. A polygraph measures stress. A man whose wife was murdered that morning is not a calm man. But to the people in that building, a failed polygraph was one more brick in a wall that was already built. And then, at the very end of the tape, this. Uh, yes, I am. Y- uh, am I being detained? No. No, I'm not. No. Guys, I didn't do this. I didn't do this. I know you did. I didn't do this. It would be so much better… I'm not going to go any further. I did not do this. Yes, you did. And we know it. Please don't do that. this. I'm allowed to walk out that door right now? Absolutely. Okay, then I'd prefer to walk out- Then you're outta here. Okay. Anything else I need to take? No, we can't give you, um, some of the other stuff yet. All right. Well, you said one time, "I hope one day that we'd be able to sit down and have a drink together," and I obviously hear you. I hope so, but it's not looking good right now. Well, how am I now? I mean, I know, but, um- Where's your car parked? Oh, I think it was this way. Okay. All right. I'll walk him out. Okay. You want a cigarette anyway, right? He walked out that door and he never walked back in as a free man in their eyes. Not for the rest of his life. Here is where I ask you for one thing. This channel is the tapes, all of them, in order. If you want to see what the police did with the next sixteen years, subscribe, because the next tape on this channel is going to be the one where a man looks at a detective and says those four words again. the facts and circumstances of the case as we knew them at that time. Um, and of course, when that came out, then we began to spread that out because obviously there was someone else By the end of that summer, the lab had a result. The DNA under Leslie's fingernails, and blood found in the house, belonged to a man. It was not Sandy. This is the detective, a year later, explaining that to Leslie's daughter. when that came out, then we began to spread that out because obviously there was someone else things like that, home invasion things. Because if your dad's not involved in this, it's gotta be someone that would have reason to be in the house or something like that. It was an uninvited guest or something. Right. And you know, there's a number of scenarios we can play with, but that's Read that sentence again. If your dad's not involved. They had another man's DNA and they were still saying if. so those kind of things don't make me think, don't put me at ease of saying I know for a fact my dad's innocent. Not because, um, I think he did it, but because no matter who it was, if it was like my friend's boyfriend. Do you know what I mean? The relation- I just, I put my dad's relation- my dad and my relationship aside and I looked at it, just the situation saying that that person isn't 100% innocent. And then there's the other side that are, if it couldn't be or whatever, you know what I mean? Okay. And then the other side is like, it's my father and I've seen him, you know, my whole entire life I've seen him interact with my mom. I've seen him deal with her. I've seen... I mean, it's not, it was nothing new. And my dad was never a violent person, ever. He was so loving to like our animals, and he always took care of my stupid fish, and every flush down the toilet, like we buried the hamsters in the backyard, like made him like graves for them. Like- Yeah ... he had such a warm heart and so many... He ha- he like a vi- he wasn't, even though when I was younger he did have like- ... He just doesn't have, like, that... I mean, it's like, okay, you could get to a point where, like, you're strangling somebody or you're even punching somebody, but you're, as a human, you hit a point where you know if you do one step further, that person's gone. And it'd take a really insane person to just take that next step besides, like, beating somebody to a pulp or to drive onto all of being dead. I mean, that part of it just seems... And, and him, like, taking her body upstairs and going to work, no way. No way. I just, that he did this out of malice or forethought out of, out of anger towards your mother and hate and, and I haven't ... No one in this unit, in this police department, outside help you. We wanna help your father. We wanna help get this over with so that it can be behind Sandy Preer died in twenty seventeen. He was never charged. He was never cleared either, not out loud, not in a way that his daughter could hold in her hand. The case file went into a cabinet, and the skin cells under Leslie's fingernails went into a freezer, and there they both stayed. In September, twenty twenty-two, the Montgomery County cold case unit sent that evidence to a laboratory in Texas called Othram. Othram does one thing. It takes old, damaged DNA and turns it into the kind of profile you can search against the public genealogy databases, the ones people upload their own results to when they want to find a cousin. Two detectives took the case. Tara Augustin and Alyson Dupouy. The best match the database gave them was distant. It pointed to a family line that came from Romania. For a year and a half they built the tree. Cousins of cousins, immigration records, marriage records, obituaries. And then, that June, a surname on that tree matched a surname that was already in the file. It had been there since the thirtieth of January, two thousand and two. A neighbour had called in a tip that winter. There was a young man, the neighbour said, who used to date the Preer daughter back in high school. Police were at his house all the time for noise and for drugs. His name was Eugene Gligor. He and his mother had moved away a few months after the murder. Nobody had ever asked him for a DNA sample. Nobody had ever interviewed him at all. On the family tree, Eugene Gligor was a first cousin, twice removed, of the person who had uploaded their DNA. That is the right distance. That is exactly the right distance. Now they needed his DNA, and they could not ask him for it, because the moment you ask, the man knows. So they waited for him to throw something away. On the ninth of June, twenty twenty-four, Eugene Gligor flew into Dulles airport. Customs officers stopped him. While he waited, he drank a bottle of water and threw it away, and the detectives collected it. Inside a week the laboratory had an answer. The DNA on the water bottle was the DNA under Leslie Preer's fingernails. Not a family match. Him. it's, it's beyond shocking to- Yeah. Okay. Uh, what is your current address? Um. Okay. And your phone number that you can be reached at? Uh, I said that you can reach us at my online appointment. Okay. So what do you do for work these days? Uh, you said, well, you wanted me to do, I'm a psychiatric nurse practitioner. Okay. I have a, a small private practice. It's like, it's like one day a week. Okay. It's outpatient. Right. Yeah. And is that local? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, I think, so looking back, uh, obviously this occurred over 20 years ago, so a lot of the questions we're gonna ask you are from that time. Um, so we're just gonna, you know, talk about things you remember, things you might not, uh, all of that stuff. Okay. So, um, can you tell me where, where did you live when you, let's say, when you were growing up? Where did I grow up? Or- Yeah. What, where, what house did you live in when you were growing up? Well, I mean, I guess, I don't know- Let's start with, where did you go to high school? Uh, BCC. BCC. When did you graduate? Um, '94, but I, I got a GED actually. Okay. But then I think the date was '94. Okay. I would've graduated in '94, not, uh, uh, '93. Okay. And when did you leave or drop out or, or? Um, in '94, early '94. Yeah. Um- At that time, where were you living? Uh, at that time I was living, uh... And who were you living there with? Um, at that... Well, at that, when I was in high school- Mm-hmm ... my mother, father, and brother. Mm-hmm. Um- And your brother is? Eugene. Yeah. There's no other siblings, The detectives also went to see his brother. He is a nurse, with a small practice, and he had not spoken to Eugene much in years. He is never named in this film and I am not going to change that. But listen to what he says when they ask him one question. did your brother ever assault you? No, not physically, no. Did he ever threaten you? Um, physically, in terms of a s- like physically, he's gonna threaten me physically, like in a kind of like second degree assault kind of way, like threatening? No. All right. Let me ask you this. What made, what made you afraid of your brother? What- That he was gonna come after, I feel like my brother dis- he, um, dislikes me. Perhaps he always did dislike Do you recall them wondering where Eugene was? No. Um, I don't recall them wondering where Eugene was, but I, there was somebody at the memorial service who said, uh, I think it was a man, there was a man who said, uh, somebody said, "Where's Eugene?" Okay. But you don't remember any answer? No. Okay. And you, you don't re- do you remember your parents talking about that being strange or expecting him there and he wasn't there? All right. And you don't recall any of his travel movements or your parents talking about travel or any reason why he would be traveling? No, not, not... I mean, some maybe months later or something about, you know, well, where, well, you know, like, where did Gene go? Was he out of town? Yeah. You know, where's Eugene been? And then just like they... Many months later, I was talking me. At the time of Lily's murder, did you ever have any inclination that Eugene could have been involved? At the time, no. Any time before his arrest, did you have any inclination- ... that he might've been involved? Not before his arrest. No, no, No. Okay. no. I mean, no, I mean, it, you know. No, not until he was arrested. All right. j- can you say anything? You probably can't, but... yeah, everything we, a- anything that's been- We have a whole nother document ... in the trial documents- I mean, I know, yeah ... there's, I mean, there's obviously, like, more information that's not out there, but. So would you say then, as, that the fingernail evidence is probably the most, um, compelling evidence you have, right? To me, in my opinion, On Saturday the fifteenth of June they got a warrant. On Tuesday the eighteenth, at ten to ten in the morning, the marshals found him on the sidewalk with his coffee. This isn't my home station, so I don't know my way around. Do you want some water? Yeah. There's a detective, she'll be able to explain a lot more to you. So just hang tight, she'll be right in here. Two hours later. First District station, Washington, D.C. The room belongs to the city police. The two women who are about to walk in do not. Watch the clock in the corner. Everything you are about to hear happens in real time. This is Detective Dupoy- Hi there ... from Montgomery County. Okay. I'm sure you're wondering what this is all about. I would really like to know. Yeah. Um, this has been really, really hard- Sure ... whatever's happening. Well, we're gonna get through all of that with you. We just need to do some paperwork real quick. Yep. condition today? You have any injuries? Are you feeling okay? Um, I mean, I'm feeling a little bit caught off guard and, um, I'm... from the handcuffs there's seems to be a lump on my hand. I don't know if it- Okay ... is, um... But, you know, I have no idea. Is it swelling? Is it, um, a blood clot? I don't know. Okay. I've, I've been holding my hand above my heart just so hopefully it helps to heal. Um, And, um, are you sober right now? Yeah, I'm, I'm yeah, 100% sober. I've, uh- ... Okay uh, been- These are just questions- ... sober I'm gonna read this to you. If you, uh, want me to stop or repeat anything, just interrupt me, okay? Mm-hmm. You have the right now and at any time to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you. You have the right to a lawyer before and during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you. You have the right to be taken promptly before a district court commissioner, who is a judicial officer not connected with the police. A commissioner will inform you of each offense you are charged with and the penalties for each offense, provide you with a written copy of the charges against you, advise you of your right to counsel, make a pretrial custody determination, and advise you whether you have a right to a preliminary hearing before a judge at a later time. Do you understand what I've just said? Mm-hmm. Okay. All right, so I'm gonna let you look over this again. I just need you to initial each of those lines and sign right there, and that's only saying that we read this to you and that you understand. There was one on number six. Everybody always misses that one, by your thumb. Thank you. Notice what she has not said yet. She has not said the word Leslie. She has not said the word murder. She lets him sign. investigate crimes that have been unsolved for quite a period of time. Mm-hmm. We investigate homicides and rapes. Mm-hmm. So, um, we were working on a case that came from Chevy Chase. Mm-hmm. And, um, when we were going through the case file, your name was in there, um, as someone that was related to the family, whether it... We have a big list of people, but- Mm-hmm ... um, friends, family, something like that. So, um, do you recall back in 2001 Leslie Prier? Yes, that she was murdered. I... You went to BCC with her daughter at the time? Correct. Is that correct? Okay. And what was your relationship with Lauren, the daughter? Um, we had dated. Okay. And when did you guys date? Um- Do you remember years? Exact dates, I'm not entirely sure. Um- Were you in high school or was it after high school? Yeah, it was high school. Um, yeah, I'm not, I'm not exactly sure. Maybe, like, 1994 to 1997 or something around there. Okay. Um, and from your dates of birth I can see you're, um, a little bit younger than Lauren. Mm-hmm. So was she already graduated from high school, or were you guys both still in high school when you guys were dating? We were both in high school. She had finished high school- Um, and I believe we had dated for a few months while she was in college, but, um, but that was it. Okay. Um, back then when you guys were dating, where did you live? Um, I lived in, uh, with my, um, with my mother in Rockville. Okay. Do you remember the address or what street or anything? I wish I did. I don't. Okay. Um, and you said you lived with your mother. Were your parents separated? Yeah. Okay. Where did your dad live? Uh, he lived in, um, in, uh, Chevy Chase in, uh, uh, yeah. Do you know the street or- Yeah ... neighborhood or- Uh, Bro- Brookside Drive. Brookside Drive. Yeah. and you and Lauren had dated well before her mother was killed. Do you remember, um, like, were you still in touch with Lauren when this stuff happened to her mom? Um, no, we had broken up a couple years before, um, at least. Um, maybe longer, I- I'm not sure. And, um, I believe I reached out just to send my regards, and, um, maybe saw her a, a couple times and, um, but that was it. Okay. Do you remember how you found out about it? Um, I remember I was at work, and I believe she had actually told me that she had come into where I was working at a restaurant, and she had, had told me that, what had happened. What restaurant was that? Do you remember? Um, it was, uh, uh, ca- a restaurant called Black's. Okay. In Bethesda. Okay. Um, let me see. So you guys were just kind of cordial at the time- Yeah ... but you weren't really close. It's not like you guys kept touch that much. Correct. Okay. Um, when you guys were dating, how close were you with the family? Like, did you spend a lot of time at their house, did you- I mean- ... know them real well? ... I knew the family. I'd, you know, s- definitely spend time-- she spent time at my house. I'd spent time at her house. Um, yeah, you know, for sure. Mm-hmm. how, were you close with her parents? I mean, I wouldn't say close with them. I don't know how much, um, m- I, I don't know if close would be the right word. Um, but they were friendly with me and, and nice to me, so, um, yeah, I mean... Okay. how well did you know Lauren's mom? Like, was there ever any kind of a weird relationship between you two after Lauren- I... No. Okay. I mean, wasn't in touch, so I don't... Okay. So you were never, like, dating Lauren's mom or anything like that- I mean- ... behind the scenes? Uh, no. Okay. Every question so far has an answer she already knows. That is not an accident. She is giving him every chance to say the one thing that could still save him: I was in that house, and here is why. and they've been asked to give DNA samples to compare to DNA from the crime scene. Mm-hmm. And most of the, pretty much everybody that's in the list has been talked to, has been eliminated as a suspect. Your name was actually in the file, but they never reached out to you or never spoke to you for some reason. So that's why we wanted to reach out to you and see if you remember or anything like that I really don't recall. Okay. Um, from the crime scene, we have DNA from the person who was there when Leslie died. So there's Leslie's blood all over the place obviously, um, but then there's also another DNA profile that was picked up from the crime scene, and we had put that into CODIS, our database from the national CODIS, um, DNA index system- Mm-hmm ... and it has never hit. So whoever was there, whoever's DNA was also on the scene has never been arrested, and that's why we were going through doing all these elimination DNA samples- Mm-hmm ... to find out, you know, okay, well this person couldn't have done it 'cause we matched their DNA to I'm just... I'm a little confused. to, to find out more and talk to me, why not just call me and ask me to come in and, and talk to me versus have marshals come and arrest me and bring me in? I'm, I'm just confused as to why that's the case. Well, because we needed to talk to you in a controlled environment, and because there's a little bit more to it than what we've told you so far. Could, could you tell me? Well, we're getting there. I'm trying to give you an opportunity to be a little bit forthcoming before we- I mean, I'm, I feel very... I feel a little bit trapped here, like I'm being- Well, you're under arrest, so you right. Okay? Right. And so I, I think, you know, I mean, probably asking for a lawyer is my best course of action at this point, um- Okay ... instead of doing any more discussing or talking about it. He has asked for a lawyer. That ends the questions. It does not end the conversation, because there is one thing she is still allowed to do, and that is tell him what she knows. some stuff. Okay. Okay? Um, from the crime scene, the DNA that was taken, we actually have a sample of your DNA, and it was compared to the crime scene DNA and it matched. So we know that you were there at the time when Leslie died. But I never gave a sample of DNA. That's correct. We obtained a sample from a discarded water bottle that you drank out of. So you were followed, and we collected it after you discarded it into the trash, and it was swabbed, and it was compared. So your DNA matches the crime scene I don't know what to say. I am not... I have no recollection. I have no memory. I have no... I don't know what to say. Okay. Well, that's why we wanted to talk to you, we know that- Why would my DNA be there? That's what we're trying to figure out. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. You know? I mean, I was in the house, but it was years before- Correct ... you know, when I dated her. Correct. Um, I don't know. I wish I could tell you. I don't know. I don't know. I don't understand. This is all very bewildering, Now compare. Sandy Preer, twenty-three years earlier, said I didn't do this, four times, and got up and walked out. This man has been told his DNA is under a dead woman's fingernails and the sentence he reaches for is, I have no recollection. you have to let us know for sure. Yeah, We can tell you more about, you know, what we think happened. I don't... I mean, what you think happened, I don't know. I can't verify. I don't know. I don't recall. I don't have any memory. I didn't do anything that you're talking about, so I don't know, and I don't feel like I can... I don't know how to answer or go into... I don't want to in- to incriminate myself with questions. You guys are professionals. I'm not. I don't know. I really do think I need an attorney. no tears coming out of your face. I'm very dry right now. I can- You're dry? I'm very dry. I'm parched. You could, like, use some water. Dehydrated. There's water. You can probably see my eyes are bloodshot red because I'm just tired and drained. I don't know what's going on. You want me to drink water so I can tear? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? No, I don't want you to tear. I don't want you to tear. I just don't want you to- What are you trying to say? I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on. Are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? No. Oh my God, you're so full of it. You're, you're just, you're after- This is, this is the police. This is... Yes. But like, it makes sense, you know? It's, in your eyes it's guilty until proven innocent. I get it. Well, honey, your DNA was in the crime scene. That's why, like- And your- There's a reason Well, honey. Twenty-three years of that file, and it comes down to two words. If there's an alternate explanation, that's why we wanted to talk to you today, okay? So I feel like you just need to take a breath for a second. Okay? That's what we're trying to figure out. Why is your blood there? Could it have been, you know, an interrupted burglary? Did something happen where you didn't expect anybody to be home? have no idea. I don't remember. I don't recall. Again, y- you're asking me questions I, I don't know. I'm not asking you a question. And I asked... You, you did. You just asked me a question, and I asked for legal representation. Okay. And you guys are very smart, smug looking at me like I'm, like I've done something, and of course it's innocent until proven guilty, right? Sure. Am I wrong or am I right? You are entitled to your due process, absolutely. This is insane. This is insane. I don't... I really don't know what else to say other than please allow me to... You, you wr- Sure ... you, you read it to me, right? Yep. That I am allowed legal representation. Absolutely. This would be the best thing for me to do right now. I don't understand. We are not gonna ask any more questions. Nope. You said you wanted to know more, so we were telling you more. I'm sorry. I just, I'm, I'm really on edge and- I can see ... upset and- Yeah ... yeah. Okay. You would like legal representation? That is absolutely your right. We will not ask you any more questions. All right? And w- how do I go about doing this? What's the- Well, we're done talking to you. They're gonna walk you back over to processing and once they are done, I don't know if they've done fingerprints and all that stuff with you yet. Once they're done with all that and you meet with, I think in DC you're gonna still meet with a commissioner and be charged with this paperwork for this, or be served with it. And and you don't have any recollection. Well- But if somebody was- I mean- ... not involved, it would be an adamant, "I didn't do this" ... oh, I didn't do it. I di- I definitely didn't do it. Like, this is, absolutely, I definitely, this is... You know, There it is. The four words. Twenty-three years apart, same building, same words. Only one of them had the other man's skin under his wife's fingernails. earlier life wasn't great. You know, abusive father, uh, uh, issues at h- you know. But at the same time, this isn't something that I... I know I didn't do it. I know I wasn't involved. And I just don't understand how this has come to this. I really wish I knew, and I really wish I could tell you some, give you some answers and give you more to you. I don't know why your blood is there also. I don't know. Wow. The only person that knows is Leslie, and she can't tell us. Wow. I can't believe Do I get to make phone call? Yep. Do I get to- We're all done. Yep. Do you have any other questions for us? I don't, I don't... if something comes up, I mean, I'm, I'm f- fucking flabber- I, I don't know what to say or what to do or what to think right now. Okay. I'm really- Well, after you talk to your attorney, if you wanna talk to us again- Okay ... my name and information is on the paperwork that you're gonna get. You can have your attorney reach out to Montgomery County. He'll be able to figure out, or he or she, whoever, um, will be able to figure out how to get in touch with us. Okay. Okay? Okay. Go ahead and stand up for me. Can I request a blanket or something? It's really cold. I don't know if they provide that. They mentioned I'd be able to make a phone call? Eleven months later, Eugene Gligor stood in a courtroom in Rockville and pleaded guilty to second-degree murder. Not first. The prosecutors said they could not prove he had planned it. Nobody, including him, has ever said why he was in that house. At sentencing, the judge gave him thirty years, with all but twenty-two suspended, and five years of probation after that. He said two things that day. He said, Leslie always was very kind to me. And he said, I vaguely remember leaving the Preer house in the morning, but the rest is a blur. Lauren Preer stood up and called him a wolf in sheep's clothing. Her father was not there to hear it. Sandy Preer had been dead for eight years. Guys, I didn't do this. I didn't do this. I know you did. I didn't do this. It would be so much better… I'm not going to go any further. I did not do this. Yes, you did. And we know it. Please don't do that. and you don't have any recollection. Well- But if somebody was- I mean- ... not involved, it would be an adamant, "I didn't do this" ... oh, I didn't do it. I di- I definitely didn't do it. Like, this is, absolutely, I definitely, this is... You know, Two men. Same words. Same building. For twenty-three years the police believed the wrong one.