Do you have any receipts or anything or no? Do you have any receipts? >> You pull them up. Hold on. Let me get my wallet out of here. >> We'll get it. We'll get it. Okay. Oh, you can have one of my received messages because I've been working for these two for the longest. >> Oh, okay. We'll just help us search and then you guys do your back. Okay. >> Where's He's supposed to be in here, too. So, I'm filling up all these receipts. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's He's not here today. >> He just called me. I know you're too. Yes, he did. >> Okay. Well, you got my name. >> I got the receipts. You came in here, too. You already know. >> All right. Well, at this point, >> well, I don't know where at this point, you guys are going to be detained. Suspicion on >> Okay. I walked out the door. So, we know the rules. >> Well, you passed the last point of purchase. >> It wasn't the last point. We was at the first point. We know the rules. >> Okay. Well, I'm not going to argue with you right now. I'm just going to read you guys rights. >> I'm not going to argue. >> No, we're not arguing with you. >> You have the right to remain silent. That means you do not have to say anything. Anything you do say can be used against you in court at this interview at any time. Do you understand? >> No. >> At this moment, the situation shifts from a dispute over receipts to a criminal investigation. The women insist they never left the building, while the officer argues that they had already passed the final point of purchase. But that distinction may not settle the entire case. In a retail theft investigation, possession of unpaid merchandise is important. Yet, the central question is usually intent. Were they knowingly attempting to deprive the store of its property? Their behavior can be interpreted in competing ways. Concealing merchandise, bypassing registers, or moving toward an exit may support suspicion. At the same time, their immediate willingness to show receipts, messages, and phone records could support their claim that they believed they had permission. None of that automatically proves innocence, but it does mean the evidence must be examined as a whole. At this stage, the officer has reasonable grounds to investigate, but the final conclusion should depend on surveillance footage, store policy, witness statements, and whether their alleged permission can actually be verified. >> But can I say something? >> Yes. >> I've been working all the text messages. They let me come in here and take anything out of here. >> Yeah. Huh? Look, I got the proof, baby. Look, you understand what I'm saying? >> No, I understand what you're saying, but I'm just letting you know I was able to come in here freely. Soal walked out of here, too. I've been working for I've been coming here. YES, SIR. BABY, I got no but push the messages. That's all [ __ ] they told me to come here to get. >> So, if we look at the cameras, we're not going to see you guys stuffing your jackets with any merchandise. I have no jacket. >> That's not even our jacket. >> That's not our jacket. I don't know who jacket that is. They're just searching for it. >> Go through all of them and when they say idolated related. >> Yes, I am. You are her name. >> You got a list for her too. >> I have nothing. I've been working >> and he just told me three times. You hear me? >> And it's been because I have Okay. [laughter] >> And when it say boss lady of course she's boss lady. That's >> right. >> And then if you go to my I can tell you I've been working for them for 2 years. Okay. >> Two years. >> Yeah. Of course he work. >> Exactly. So he must just get off work cuz he just told me >> actually I'm not getting my face. >> You don't have to grab me like that. >> You don't have to grab me like that. I'm being arrested for no reason. >> I'm not fighting. I'm not fighting or hiding anything. So you don't have to do all that. >> Okay. Well, we're going to look at the footage and we're determined. >> Okay. >> You're doing too much. I'm not being aggressive. I'm not fighting. I'm not off. I know. >> I know that. >> You can read the messages. like that. >> Yep. I'm sure it is. But that's okay. >> You see what I'm talking about? >> Okay. This was when she cuts her own there. >> When did he ask you to pick up these dates? Can I scroll over to show you? I have nothing on me. I promise. Have a seat. Just answer the question. If you push it and you'll show the date when you are showing that they never even scanned any more stuff. >> They never scanned any of this. What did they pay for? >> What's up? >> What did they pay for? >> You didn't pay for No, it's not. That's >> okay. They work here. >> Them work here. We work here. >> You can't take nothing off my phone, baby. I bet that phone beer. >> It's fine. >> It's a big ghost with a sign. >> Oh, I got it. Okay, I got it. >> So, it looks like they were in Davenport, too. >> Mhm. >> And they got a hit there in Davenport for them. that word. I have nothing to do with >> almost my name is >> your last name. >> My last name is Craig. I have nothing. >> Yes. >> Sounds good. >> You guys have >> No, no, I don't. I don't. But that's my name though. >> Take it down. >> Yeah. >> We don't work out. We don't walk out the door. So, yeah, that part. >> And then what was your first name again? >> My name is Lucky. L A >> E S H A. Look at her talk about he identified me as a cousin. Didn't I just say he my cousin? >> Just to verify L a K. My last name. >> What about you? >> Emerald Clemer. E M E R A L. >> And your first name is Emerald. >> Emerald. >> Yes. >> How do you spell that again? >> I got him too. I work for him too. It's in my phone. You want me to pull his picture up? I got everybody. Everybody that work back here I just want to show you for real so y'all don't think I don't like >> I hear I hear she has her phone. Let me show you my phone. >> Okay. So this is what's going to happen. We're going to separate them cuz when we talk to her pretty much give him an open question. What are you going to do? It's not that it's [laughter] >> my hand. >> Yes. >> He call me. [laughter] >> No, you're fine. I'm fine. They call me Lia. >> Can I put my hands to this? I'm not I'm not You're fine. I promise. >> What are you guys doing here? >> Um them like I was trying to explain while she was talking. I have nothing to lie about. They already know what's going on and everything. The crazy thing about it is they called us. We wouldn't have never been in here. Her name is, but her name in my phone is boss lady. If you scroll to my phone, all that cat food, and sorry, I'm not racist, but they call it people food. So, it's like salami beef. That's all her food. I don't know why she playing dumb as the little the lady that just took the parts. >> Yeah, >> I know her, too. She's in my phone as well. Identify me as a cousin. Remember I said that's my cousin. >> He's he's his name is Big C. He just went to my home. He just called me three times. I have no reason to lie. I wouldn't have never been in here and still ain't called me to come in here. I They've been calling us and telling us to do this for the longest. So, like I told them, if I'm going down, y'all going down, too. Cuz I would never come in here without permission. >> She right there. She moves people around for us. >> No. I'm not aggressive. I'm not aggressive. I'm not saying. So, you're saying that you guys call from with the whole stuff that we got. And I had no reason to lie or I would have never told you to come in, grab these items. >> Yeah. And >> not even notify anyone and no one >> and just to walk out. >> Is that what you're saying? Yeah, she move people around for us. >> Okay, what is that? Move them around. She's the boss. She can move him around and tell them to go on break so we can lock them up and do it. >> Okay, >> this is where the story becomes far more complicated. Lisha is no longer simply claiming that someone gave her permission to take merchandise. She is describing what sounds like a coordinated system. An employee allegedly moves other workers away, creates an opening, and allows the group to leave without paying. If that account is true, this may not be an isolated shoplifting incident. It could indicate an organized theft arrangement involving both outsiders and someone with access inside the store, but her statement must also be treated cautiously. She has just been detained. She knows the merchandise was unpaid, and shifting responsibility toward employees could reduce her own perceived role. Investigators now need independent corroboration. Do the messages clearly mention taking unpaid goods? Do phone records match the timing? Did surveillance cameras show employees deliberately leaving their posts? and have similar losses occurred during the same employees shifts. Her story is specific enough to investigate, but specificity is not the same thing as truth. The case now depends on whether the digital and video evidence supports her version. >> Have no reason to lie. >> I'm standing in my phone. >> I gave you my phone. >> I hear you. All right. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. You know how I'm sorry. >> You're an emerald, right? >> Yeah. like. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, what are you guys doing here? >> Um, we got a call and said that we were able >> He said that we were able to come in here. He needed a few things. Well, they needed a few things. Me few things and we can also come in here and get some things for oursel. >> Okay. >> So, that's why we're here. How are you supposed to pay for that stuff? >> I mean, they just we're going to wave the door so we can go through and do what we need to do. >> Okay. Just leave. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Without paying for stuff. >> I mean, some stuff we paid for, some stuff they just let us go through there. [clears throat] >> Okay. Does this happen? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You see the messages? >> How how often real quick? >> You went through the phone, right? >> Yep. I saw the >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, I saw that. >> We got the phone today. We just got a phone call. No, I'm saying before this time. When was the last time I had that? >> December though. >> December. >> No. >> Okay. So, would you say it's like once a month or a couple times? >> YouTube. >> Yes. Um, so I got Leisha cousins and her friend [snorts and clears throat] Emerald of your uh I saw that you called their phone. Okay. What were you telling them? >> They actually and she said that she was in the bathroom. I was like, "Okay." She's like, "You have to call her back." I was like, "Okay." You know, I called it as >> Okay. All right. Cuz they're saying that you uh told them to come in here so jabs and stuff would not pay for it. Walk out. >> No, that's the only time I prosecution was 17 invited. >> Okay. And then you were sending pictures that she was sending you or you were sending her food items. I just I just wanted telling us that you and Deborah are the ones who had told her to come in here and not pay for my I haven't >> No, no, I I saw that you haven't I I saw you haven't texted her since January 17th, but I got to do my job. So, I have I had no I had no question that you're not that you told me to come in here. >> She had the other receipt. Now, investigators are facing two directly conflicting versions of the same event. The women say they were called to the store and authorized to take merchandise. The employee denies giving any such instruction and points out that the last visible text conversation occurred weeks earlier. That denial damages the women's explanation, but it does not completely resolve the case. A lack of recent text messages does not rule out a phone call, an in-person conversation, deleted messages, or communication through another person. On the other hand, having an employees name, photographs, or old conversations in a phone only proves that a relationship existed. It does not prove permission to remove unpaid merchandise on this particular day. This is exactly why digital evidence must be interpreted carefully. Investigators should compare call logs, message timestamps, surveillance video, employee schedules, and the precise items recovered. They should also examine whether each suspect gave the same account before they had an opportunity to coordinate. The arrests may be justified by the evidence available at the scene. But the deeper allegation, an inside theft operation, requires far more than accusation and denial. Oh, that's fine. >> Yep. >> At this point, you're going to be under arrest. >> Okay, that's fine. Can I have my phone? >> Everybody real quick. I'm flip. Sorry about that. >> Thank [laughter] you. All right. >> But did they tell you you were no trespassing? >> No. They said from Elmore and this is >> nothing to do with saying that >> Elmore. We cannot go. >> And it was 24 hours this year. >> I'm sorry. I can't see. >> No, it did not. No, I already was so bad. >> Hold on a minute. >> No, I did not. >> Sorry. I'm so sorry. [laughter] I'm just trying to see what I wear glasses so I can't see the >> No. No. No. Restriction. He just told us. Um, >> we cannot go back. >> You want basically the second door that we went out of, that was the door they stopped us out of. And what she said was, I don't know the lady name, but what she said was everything in our hand handed to her. We're not being detained. If we give everything back, they called the police. We waited for the police. We gave everything back. They let us go. They told us that we was borrowed from Meore and that we cannot return to Kimberly. >> Kimberly, they said they gave us paperwork. They say nothing about. >> So why did they put you in for $1,500? Huh? >> We had purses. That was it. Something was it was a purses called mad. She [laughter] mad at her. That was it. That was it. >> And we didn't even get that that door. >> The door that you stopped us out of, that was the same door that we got up and she brought us right back. She said, "If you hand us everything that you got, we'll let you go." >> I don't know the rules and why. >> I know cuz we're not Iowa. We're Illinois. Illinois. It's the last point of sale is the best. It's >> how that works. >> Okay. >> Regardless, even you know, if you had it in your purse or you had it in out open, You're passing the last point of sale. You have gone through the register and you pay for your merchandise and you're going out and they stop you at the door and you're leaving it at the door. That young lady is standing and she asks for a receipt. That's different. Okay. Yeah, that is totally different. I mean, just uh send it to us. >> I was just about hands cuz we're not going to uncover. >> No, we know we walking. Yes, we do. No, we don't. You don't got to grab my arm. I'm not I don't use my arm. I promise. >> This is something we have to >> I'm not going to say I promise you. >> I'm not I'm not going to use any force. I'm just making sure. It don't matter. >> I have you can put my hood on. [laughter] >> Yeah. I ain't going to take off. I can't even run. I got to [laughter] work for me. >> Question you guys. >> What about the text messages y'all seen on my phone? We really been working for them for >> I'm I'm showing that. Can I print it off and show it to the judges? >> Yeah. That judge going to let you have it. >> He going to let you have it. Okay. Yeah. I've been working for I got pictures of him in my phone, too.