You're not a responsible gun carrier. If you're going to let a simple argument and flipping people off get you to the point where you're going to pull your gun, you need to leave that gun at home. >> On May 8th, 2025, officers were dispatched in response to reports of a road rage incident. >> Hey, stop. Come here. Stand right here. Stand right here. >> I'm not doing a search. >> I said stand right here. >> Okay, stand right here then. [snorts] >> What are you doing, >> man? It's road rage. But she pulled out a gun on me. >> Pulled out a gun. >> She pulled out a gun on me. Hey, listen. Stop. >> Don't say she didn't. >> Stop walking around. Ma'am. >> Ma'am, step over here and talk to me. Sidewalk. Sidewalk. Sidewalk. Sidewalk. Sidewalk. >> Let me talk. >> Sidewalk. >> She uh >> Sidewalk. >> This is road right. >> Yep. I understand. Sidewalk. I need you to listen before I can talk to you. Sidewalk. >> She can't stand. >> Okay. All right. That's fine. >> Look at my face. >> Tell me. I see her face. Tell me what happened. She she uh cut us she cut uh my mom was trying to get over on the freeway, but this is on the freeway. She flicked her off. So, we pulled up here. I flicked her off and she cut us off. >> Okay. Hold on. One one at a time. So, you're on the freeway. >> 71 southbound. >> Yeah. Right. >> And right here all the way to here. >> Who cut who off first? What were the first instance? >> There was no cut off. My mom tried to get off >> here. She cut us off here. >> Okay. So, >> the lady got mad cuz I didn't let her over in the highway soon enough. So, she started cussing me out. >> Okay. >> So, unfortunately, we going the same way. So, when I got on the SIDE OF HER, HER DAUGHTER ROLLED A WINDOW DOWN, all of this extra [ __ ] So, I cut him off. When I cut him off, the lady got out the car, she started talking crazy. I told the mom tried to get her back in the car. She get back in the car, SHE PULLED OUT A GUN ON ME. >> She pointed at you. >> She pulled IT OUT AND CUT IT BACK. IT DON'T MATTER. OKAY, I'm trying. I'm not. >> No, I got you. >> So then I'm >> I let her back in the car, start being racist, calling me black mother. >> Let's take a seat right here on the bumper. >> So what happened on the freeway the first? >> My mom had her turn signal on and uh she uh was trying to get over and my mom got over and she some way or somehow she thought we was trying to cut her off >> on the highway. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So she got that sheicked us off on the highway. Then what happened? >> And then and then uh she followed us all the way to here. >> Have a seat on the bank here. We can help you up if you need help. >> And then she followed us all the way to here. And then >> uh when we got here, she was on that lane and we was on this lane and I flicked her off and she cut us off. >> Yeah. made my mom slam on her brakes real hard >> and then got in the back >> and she started got out of her car >> and when you got Hold on. >> She got out of her car. >> I'm trying to truck with you here, but you're all over the place. >> Okay, I'm just mad. >> Yep. Don't be mad at me, though. Talk to [laughter] me. >> I'm done. >> So, when she started calling me where where did she pull the gun out? [music] >> In the course. >> I mean, like, where were you guys at? >> At the back door. I was right here and I was about to walk away and she said, "All right." Exactly what she said. All right. She got in her purse. She pulled out her gun. She cocked it back. Now they going to lie cuz IT'S ONLY ME. AND THEN OF COURSE EVERYBODY STANDING AROUND TALKING ABOUT THEY WANT TO CALL THE POLICE cuz I'm black and everybody want to look at me like I'm crazy. But you shouldn't PUT OUT A GUN ON PEOPLE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT. >> OKAY. >> And I told her I'm not scared of shoot me silly. >> And then she said she quot and then when she start calling me out of my name. >> Mhm. >> Which is I can take I can take [ __ ] but when you start putting that race [ __ ] into it I'm not with that. >> So I reached in THE CAR AND I PUNCHED HER. She bunched her >> and then she pull my hair loose and [ __ ] but don't pull out no gun on me. And then everybody want to record. I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. >> Here's what happened. You're on the highway. She thought you cut her off somehow. Flipped you off. >> Yeah. >> And then you came. Where were you going? Where's your end destination today? >> Giant Eagle. So you were headed to Giant Eagle. >> Okay. And Do you know where she's going? >> No. >> Okay. So you're on the highway. You haven't taken the exit yet when when she flicks you off. No, she flicked us off on the highway. >> Okay, but you haven't taken an exit yet. >> No, we were getting on the street. >> So then you come on to Stringtown Road. She follows you. >> Okay. >> No, she ended. Yeah, she ended up being behind us. >> She's behind you. Okay. So, you take the Stringtown Road exit. She comes to here. >> You guys are flipping each other off again and she cuts you off here. >> Okay. And then what happened? Go from there. Um, she uh >> she uh came over to She got out of the car first, then I got out and then she started running her mouth and I started running my mouth back. >> You guys are both here right the roadway. Okay. >> Yeah. And I was on my way to work minding my business and she should have just shut the hell up. >> Tell you what we're going to do. Me and you are going to walk over here to the side. >> Can I get my Can I get my bait? Can I get my phone? >> We're going to wait a minute. Okay. We're going to have you listen. It's too many of y'all. Can I please call my wife? >> I'm not I'm not pulling off. I'm not doing nothing. I just >> We'll let you do that in a minute. We're not going to do that right now, though. >> Okay. >> Why do I have to go to the >> Cuz no, cuz I don't want us standing in the middle of the road. >> Okay. So, can I move my car? >> We can stand over here on the sidewalk. >> She I can't defend myself. I got a broken back. >> Okay. >> And I'm trying to defend her because she's 70 years old. So, I got I said I'll get my gun cuz I feel like I'm being defend. >> Okay. Do you have a firearm? It's >> registered. Did you take it out at all? >> I got it out of my purse. Yes. You guys disappointed in the backseat of the car. >> I just reached over to get it and started to puning all all over and I couldn't get around. >> Who reached in the back of what car? >> She got in the back of on top of >> You said you got out of the car. >> She was back in there. >> She made me get back in. >> So you got out. You're yelling at each other. She makes you get back in. You get back in the car and and then she reaches in and pummeles on you. And that's when this happened. >> She gets all in there half by >> Yeah. And I yanked her hair. >> Was that after you said that you were going to get a gun? >> Yeah, that's after. >> Okay. So, you're in the car. You say you're going to get a gun. Then you go back in the car >> and you get the gun, >> right? And then she reaches over. >> No, I didn't even get the gun out. >> You just said you got the gun out the >> second time. >> No, I wretched in my purse. It's in my purse and I wretched in and I I was going to go like this and then I put it back. >> So, did you get it out that she could see it at all? >> Well, the door was open. >> Okay. Did you get it out so that she could see the gun? Okay. Did you point it at her in her direction? No. Did you say what you were going to do with the gun? No, >> you just said, "I'm going to get a gun." >> Yes, that's all I said. >> And then you went in and got the gun, but never took it out of your >> pocket. And she got back out of the car then and then >> because I felt threatened. >> Then they were both and I told her to get back the car and the girl opened the back door car and got on top of her and started ping her. So I grabbed the girl's pants to get her off the ripped her the belt in her pant loop trying to get her to pull her off to her. >> Okay. And because I didn't want nothing to happen and I knew she had a gun, too. Then I knew my daughter wouldn't shoot her just for that. But you never know what happened. >> So you're telling me you guys had a little rotary. You can have that back. >> Yeah, we did. >> You can have that back here. >> We had words and she >> Right. >> So at what point >> I can tell you. >> This is your car right here. Correct. >> This is my car. And how we get here? >> So >> how did we get here? >> So they started talking to you. >> Yeah. Cuz we like I said, I'm on my way to Grove City High School. Mhm. >> I work with the people with dis kids with disabilities. I'm on my way. I'm having a bad day. I'm actually on the phone and you can like you can I'm we in separate lanes and since they thought I was following them >> because we going the same way. So you can see her looking through the mirror like you can I can see her turning around kept looking to see why am I following them. I'm literally going to Grove City High School. I'm in that lane. She's in this lane. She's about to turn. Before she turned, she rose the window down and started doing all that >> doing all that extra stuff. >> That's when you turn off and cut her off here and you hop out of the car. >> She got out and I got out. We both got out. We both got out at the same time. I walk right here. I >> Which is she? Which one is she? >> The mama and the daughter. Cuz the mama want her daughter to get back in the car cuz she's 70. >> I didn't say a word to her. I just stood there. >> Mhm. >> And she like, "You stupid. You flick my mama." All right. First of all, I ain't flick her mama up. >> You flick my 70-year-old MAMA OFF. SHE'S 70. DO SOMETHING. She just her mama like calm down. Her mama like get in the car and I'm literally I I'm not saying nothing cuz again I I'm I'm not I'm not having a good day. It's not a good week. So I ain't saying nothing. I told her she better listen to her mother and get back in the car. >> So we doing she steady going. I'm still not saying nothing. >> And you guys are both out of the car. >> We both out of the car. And then she that's when she got in the car. She said, "All right, I got something for you." And she took her gun out her purse. And then uh I had my sister called the police >> and uh >> So you have someone else with you? >> My sister in the car. There's one more in the car. Never got out. She can't she can't >> So So you got when you you were driving and >> you were driving. You were in the back seat. That's why you got back in the back seat. Okay. >> All right. Um give me a second. Let me talk to this officer. Let me figure out what uh what the other side of this is >> in the car. I ain't going nowhere. >> Yeah. I just don't want you guys to re-engage. Don't talk to her. Don't look at her. Don't say anything. All right. >> Um, if you want to have a seat, do you need to see a medic for your nose? >> No, you're not injured other than the the little slices of bleeding. >> Yeah. >> It's just a little bit of blood. Okay. Just hang out for for a second for me. Okay. >> So, >> all right. >> So, again, she should have pulled out. >> So, you two are out here arguing outside the car. At what point did you end up inside? >> When she when she called me out my name, she first she pulled out a gun on me. >> So, you two were standing out here in the road. >> Yeah. And then she got back in the car to pull the gun out. >> Is she pointed at you? >> She So, so, so somebody pulling the gun out their purse and cocking it back. >> I'm just trying to get a full story. And so I'm trying to understand exactly. I'm trying to understand exactly what happened. So she reaches back in the car, she comes out here, pulls the gun, [ __ ] it back, holds it down at her side, and continues arguing with you. >> And I walked away and then she started calling me black. The word black and and all that other [ __ ] came up. So when that came up, of course >> that irritated and I turn I went too far. I turned back around. I open the door. Her mom on the back end of me and she on the front end. Her mama grabbing me. Her mama grabbing me and she grabbing my hair. >> So she's in the back seat. >> She couldn't even hit me. Yeah, she in the back seat. Yes. >> Did you open the door to the back seat? >> Yes, sir. >> Which I shouldn't have. But again, you wouldn't like people >> calling you out your name. They weren't even here. Don't nobody know what's going on. Traffic was going. >> Okay. >> Road raging station. This is insane over flipping somebody off. >> Why even bother? >> And I walked away. >> Why didn't you? >> I didn't see the whole thing. >> But I did hear a little bit. And I will say I didn't see what began to happen. But when she pulled in, she stepped out and was kind of like, "What the heck?" >> And I did hear the not the older white woman, the younger one. I was shooting you. And that's when both the older one was like get back in the car and was shoving >> to the younger >> I'm assuming her daughter shoving her back towards the car and >> young boy >> the other woman the black lady started to walk back towards her car and the other woman started going back towards her kind of like pushed her mom off >> herself and was like >> going back to the other female. >> Yeah. going back towards her car. And then she kind of walked back in my Uber and was like, >> and I heard the other one of the woman yell, "You didn't need to flip her off." And she's like, "You cut me off." Like flipping you off and you're going to shoot me. So, >> okay. >> But when I heard the I'm go shoot you, I was like I was like, "Hey, this woman's like there's two or three of them in the car and only one of this other women." I was like, "Maybe we should hang out." Do do you possibly have enough time just to write out a quick statement for me on that? Perfect. Thank you very much. I'll go get a piece of paper. I'll be right back with your idea. >> Okay. Excellent. >> The thing is is it all started cuz they felt like it was my responsibility to let them on the highway and it wasn't. But I was trying to be nice and let her mom over. Her mom, let me tell you how bad it was. Her mom cussed me out. She stuck her finger up. Her mom got in front of me and then her mom was about to crash into another car trying to prove a point. So she about to exit and the other car had to swerve over. So she get all the way over here just to get all the way back over here and get off on String Town Road. That's how mad they were. I could deal with the [ __ ] I could deal with all that [ __ ] But when you start calling me black and all that other stuff, that's that I don't like that. I don't stand for that. I don't stand for that. That's not fair cuz I don't We don't go around saying that. That's the deal. >> All right. Let me talk to you. Quinn says she didn't see all of it, but you did hear the uh >> war. Since you got the full picture, you talk to her, right? >> You can stay right here. Okay. >> Okay. >> Just hang on one second for us. Let us just cuz we got all these different stories. Let's put them together. Okay. >> Linda says she didn't see everything. She saw the point where they were both out. She heard the younger female white there say, "I'm going to shoot you." Um mom was trying to push the female white back into the car. She was walking away. And then female pushed mom out of the way and continue to come towards the uh other here. She's already sleeping out. But she said she heard the younger female wife say, "I'm going to shoot you. I'm going to get something that I'm going to get my gun shoot you." >> Okay. >> So, she goes back to her car, says I'm going to get my or she's at her car, goes back into the car from the street after you guys are yelling at each other in her face and says, "I'm going to get my gun." >> No, she said, "I got something for you." >> She said she said, "I got something for you." All right. I got some. >> And what did you take that to mean? >> I'm from Flint, Michigan. I know what that means. Okay. When somebody go >> documentary Flint, Michigan. >> You do? >> No, Flint. >> Yeah, they do. >> But when when they when somebody tell you they got something for you and they get back in the car, nobody's stupid. And the thing is, >> so you thought she was talking about a gun. >> I knew she was talking about a gun. Next thing she pulled out was a gun. >> So So you're going back to her car. >> You're going back to your car at that point. So she says, "I got something for you." He goes to the car. You're going back to your car. So when I walk, I'm still standing there and it's black and she said it's not a 22, but when I called it a 22, she said it's not a 22. I >> So you're at the car right here on where her mom by her mom's window and she I seen it. It's black and it's silver. And she pulled it out. She cocked it back >> and I said, "Oh, you going to pull out a gun on me?" And she was like, "Yeah." >> Okay. >> And I'm like, "Okay." I'm like, "Well, I told her I'm not scared to said if you going to shoot me, shoot me dead then." >> Like what what you pulling out a gun for if you're not going to shoot nobody? >> Okay. This was ridiculous. This was just plain ridiculous. >> I didn't think I didn't. But I I I did. There's no justification. >> I know you said you're not scared to, but this was just like why go around asking for it, right? >> Yeah. But >> you can say you're not scared of And it's still dumb to jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon. For sure. For sure. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. I shouldn't have stopped, but I stopped in the second >> for what? >> For a finger being pointed in the air. >> I don't know, man. It It just >> And then like I I get the whole racial thing, but but you have black skin. I have white skin. >> Yeah. at school. But that >> that [ __ ] it's words, right? >> But I get >> Look at us. We're police officers. You don't think we could disrespect all day long? >> There's a lot of people that don't like police officers. >> You just got to let it roll off your back. >> And I did. I let everything roll off. But you can't. She >> It's not worth getting shot over. >> She knew what she was doing. She knew what she was doing and I fell for it. It's all good. But like I said, >> that's all I'm trying to point out to you. No, >> I fell for it. But it's only took the hook on. I did. I did from the beginning from her rolling. There's going to be more of this. This is going to happen again for the rest of >> this. Don't happen to me. This don't This don't I'm a I'm a >> I'm a I I >> You You could have gotten shot today. And And whether you care about dying or not, I guarantee you you got friends and family that care about you dying or not. >> For sure. >> It's just I'm frustrated. >> Okay. >> This should have never happened. >> Okay. Well, here's the deal. If you get this frustrated, you shouldn't be carrying a gun. >> No, it's >> Well, no. No. There's no No, THAT'S THE POINT. NO, you're not a responsible gun carrier. >> You're right. You're right. I'm not. >> If you're going to let a simple argument and flipping people off get you to the point where you're going to pull your gun, you need to leave that gun at home. >> Yeah, you're right. You're right. Your arms right. You're right. You're right. >> Because one of two things is going to happen. >> You're going to shoot somebody you shouldn't be or they're going to take it from you and shoot you. >> Right. You're right. You're honestly right. >> Okay. >> You're right. So, let's get back to this where you both got back in the car. You call you said something about her black ass and got back in the car and then she came after you. What did you happen there? >> That. Okay. So, let's go back to where you were out on the street jawing at each other and mom told you to get back in the car. >> I got back in the car and my mom told me to get back in the car. I was like, "Okay, well then I'll just get back in the car." And then I grabbed for my gun. And >> why would you grab for your gun? because I felt unsafe and I felt threatened because she said she was from Fenton, Michigan. >> Okay, >> that's what she said. She said I'm from Fenton, Michigan. >> I know that's but I felt threatened. >> Do you know where Fenton, Michigan is? >> Okay, so then why would you feel threatened? >> From Fenton, Michigan. So she she threatened me with that. >> How was that a threat? I'm from She I'm from Columbus, Ohio. I'm from Mount Sterling, Ohio. Is that a threat? No. Telling someone where you're from does not constitute a threat. >> The way she said it, >> she's from >> Okay. >> Yeah, we're getting to that. >> I just want to make sure she knows that. >> Thank you. >> I hate dealing with this stuff cuz it is so petty and childish. >> It is. >> And and you you've you've salvaged a bit of respect that I have for you because you recognize that you were wrong, right? >> For sure. >> Um but this should have never happened. Here's what we're going to do. I'm going to have you have a seat in the back of the car. You're not under arrest, but we are going to be filing charges out of this. I'll tell you right now, even if it's just disorderly conduct, you're both getting charged, okay? Um, we're still figuring out what happened, but you can't behave like this. And that goes for both of you. Like I said, this is equal shares here, 50/50. So, you're getting a charge for disorderly conduct. So, at least until we issue that to you, it doesn't have to be an arrest. It can just be a court date. That's probably what's going to happen. Okay? At least we tell you, we issue that, we're going to have you have a seat in the back of a car. We don't have to do handcuffs or anything like that. She She's going to sit in the back of my car, too. Yep. And we can have you both fill out a witness statement. >> She can we can call for you. You don't need her here. >> If for some reason you were going somewhere or you were not driving away, yes, we would we would be able to call her cuz we got to figure out what to do with your car. >> But until then, we're just going to have a seat. Okay. >> Both women were charged with disorderly conduct, cited and released at the scene.