Wait, hold on, hold on. Him and his girl get booty in her bed? >> If my If my son I don't give a about nobody in the whole wide world. >> Mhm. >> Daddy, son, cousin, brother, all of that. >> I thought he was gay. >> I told him to switch places. >> So, this this is literally a weird love triangle that's going on this entire thing. >> Yeah. >> Would you be comfortable standing before God and Jesus right now telling this story? >> My own self, Jesus the king of kings, Lord of >> Oh, yeah, it does. >> And God I trust. It ain't going to be crazy, it ain't going to be funny. >> I don't want to hear anything crazy, so let's go. >> On October 27th, 2022, Aspen County Police in Georgia responded to a residential apartment complex. Gunmen inside, two people shot. Suspect already gone by the time officers arrived. 38 minutes of body cam followed. Not just a shooting response, a case study in what officers get right and where sound procedure quietly breaks down in the middle of a crisis. >> Is Taiwan? >> No, it ain't Taiwan. It's right there. Taiwan though. Oh. I'm right here. >> All right. >> No, no, man. >> I ain't got no way to go. >> All right, you good. You good. Y'all just keep your hands up. Taiwan. >> Yeah, it's Taiwan. >> Hey, man. Hey, where did the suspect go, bro? >> Somebody shot me. >> Where's the suspect at? >> know where he at, man. He ran out the door, man. >> Which door? >> He ran out the door right there. >> All right. Suspect ran out the back door. >> leg. I hurt, man. >> What's he look like, man? >> He's light skinned, tall, man. >> All right, man, just come over here for me. Let me start treating this man. All right, we need to clear this real quick. >> I got Oh. >> Hey, man, where are you Which leg you shot in? >> My left leg, man. >> put him on the ground. We're going to We're going to pull you out, okay? Hey, man, go back inside. We got a shooting. Hey, pull him out. Yeah, I I need your help. I don't I don't want to compromise his leg. >> Don't move your leg, all right? >> What's Wait, what's your What's your >> Hey, I'm going to stay right here. Stay right here. Hey, go back inside. There's a shooting. Go back inside. Car County Police! >> Five. >> We're going to play the regular. Here, start working on him. >> I got I'll hold this. >> Give us 10-3 for just a minute, please. I'll start working him if y'all can just keep security for me. He shot your hand as well. >> He got shot. >> All right. Okay. >> I just rest him. >> were shooting you? One? And he's gone? >> Yeah. >> Clear. >> Oh, my leg. Oh, my leg. It hurt. >> Okay. You got to lay it down. Lay it down. Lay it down. We need to get a tourniquet on him, don't you think? >> No, where? There's no massive hemorrhage right now. >> It's junctional. Where is the side? >> it's down here in the leg of it. >> Lay on the ground. >> Yeah. Can you just hold light for me while I cut? >> Yeah. >> Thanks, man. It's a hard to pour it this way. >> Yep. >> Hard to pour it this way. You want me to I'll hold. You go ahead and on you. >> I'll go left. >> Go ahead. You go over there? >> Yep. >> Let me hit this door real quick. Yeah, no massive hemorrhage. >> All the way down. >> Yeah, that's what I'm trying. You shot anywhere else? >> In the hand. >> Okay. What happened? >> So, I let that go. He came in the hallway, man. This sucks. He busted me good, man. You see me [ __ ] down on the floor. He busted me good, man. >> You ever see him before? >> Yeah, I seen him on Pearl. I don't know he is, though. >> Where you seen him before? >> Seen him over here, on Pearl. >> So, you didn't see him before he went or anything of that nature? He ran out the back door over here. Back door over here. Hey, I don't think he ran out the back door. That thing's locked. Can you be real specific? >> Oh, my leg. It hurt. Lay my leg. You got to hold my leg. >> It's pretty bad. It's a It's going to be a fracture. Hey, sir, do me a favor. Just step out for me. Yeah, here you go. Just step out for me. Step out. Yeah, just stay as just stay back for me. Just back this way if you don't I can see the fracture. You got to lay it down, buddy. >> I can't lay it down. >> I'm sure it's not hurting you. >> No, it's I just right here hurting. >> He's got a fracture right here. >> No. >> Yeah, no [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Oh. >> I just need a light right here. I need to see how bad >> Oh. >> He needs to expose that leg. >> Oh. Oh. >> Just leave that front. >> Fontaine. >> You see one right there? What is that? What kind of kind of round is that? >> .45 >> Two here. All right, no mass hemorrhage. There's the through and through right there. >> Oh. >> Two shell casings. Looks like they're going to be .45. >> Ah. >> Hold your leg. Hold your leg. >> Hello. >> Hey, uh .45 >> Hello. Let me see exactly >> Okay. >> That's what he said. >> Hey, I'll tell you. You want to come in here? >> Yeah, let me see exactly. >> Take a look in here. >> Let me calculate. Let me calculate. Let me stop you talking, man. Who you talking about, old man? >> Hey. This is Asheville County Police. We're working on your son. He's got it in the leg and it looks like he's going to be okay, but we're going to get the ambulance to check him out, okay? I got to work on this right now. I'm going to give the phone back to him. Here you go, bud. The guy ran out of the back door, but that back door is locked. Uh there's a skill here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we're hurt. >> I got a black I don't think so. >> Taiwan. >> No, where are you? Just want to hear this. >> Which door did this dude run out of? >> Taiwan's right there. >> He ran out of the front door, man. >> The front door? That was the the glass one? >> Yeah. >> Did you lock it after he went out? >> No, I was shot. I was on the floor. You know what >> There's another person. I'm going to go help him real quick. >> He's saying he shut and locked the door. >> You locked that door? >> I >> Okay. >> I don't know if he's got medical equipment. Do we have another unit? >> Yep. >> Go to that. I'm fine here. >> Hey, what do y'all need? >> I'm good right this second. >> What happened? >> We don't know what happened. >> He came over here and said he got shot. We don't know what happened. >> Ma'am. Where did he come from? Do y'all know? >> I don't I don't know. >> He didn't say anything to you guys? Okay. Okay. All right, EMS is on the way. They're actually got a fire department right around the corner. We got another guy shot in the leg and in the hand down there. What's your name, buddy? What's his name? >> Yes, sir. He didn't say anything to you guys when he came up here? Yeah, we've got people here. They're just where the other guys at, too. You got your tourniquet, Aliyah? Grab it. You all right, buddy? How are you feeling? All right, you're going to make it, buddy. Here, step back for me, sir. Step back for me. We got to take pictures of all this stuff, all right? Hey, buddy, we're not going to worry about alcohol right this second. Hey, man, here's the thing, okay? Somebody else is shot over there by the Oscar building. I need you to give me as much as you can of this guy. Tall black male, light skin, dark skin? Temple? Young, okay. Suspect's going to be tall. He had a hoodie, what color hoodie? Dark hoodie, light hoodie? Uh the victim believes it was a dark color hoodie that he had on. Hey, man, I'm going to be honest with you, you probably not going to be able to get your alcohol right now, okay? Cuz it's a crime scene, we have to take pictures, you're probably not going to be able to get your alcohol, all right? Were you in there with him when it happened? Okay, do you did you remember hearing anything that happened, anything of that nature? Taiwan, is this your apartment? All right, man, you ain't going nowhere. You got to stick here, okay? Don't lie to me. Who did this? Come on, man. Taiwan. Come on, we ain't going to play this we ain't going to play this dumb game. Cuz he shot and then the dude down there is also shot. There's a dude down at at the Oscar building that's also shot. So, obviously you know what went down here. If you want to have a separate discussion once he leaves, we can have a separate discussion once he leaves, all right? But, if I bro, there's a dude coming around here shooting everybody. So, You know who it is, don't you? Come on, Tywan, don't you lie to me. Yeah, I've got one right here. It's the belt. Breathing, you all right? They got you. The one in the hand and the is over at the 400 building. He's hand and leg. We've got That's Oh, the one over there. Yeah. Tywan, you got to stop being straight with me, man, cuz you ain't telling me the whole truth. You ain't telling me the whole truth. You're lying. And we know you're lying. >> What do you mean I'm lying? >> You're lying. You know exactly what went down in there. I've never been anything but honest with you every time I've had to come out here. >> So, what happened tonight, dog? I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I'm telling him, "Hey, one thing about me, I ain't got to tell nobody nothing. I mean, I don't know what happened, period." >> So, who's that gentleman to you? >> Oh, that one That's my friend. He I mean, you know, he He's my friend. >> Let me ask you a question. That's not your stuff? >> No. >> So, you wouldn't mind us searching that, right? >> I promise you all my >> None of this is yours, right? >> Nothing in there is yours, right? >> Okay. That's fine. Can you search that real quick? Put your hands up for me. I'm going to pat you down for some weapons, all right? You ain't got no weapons on you, right? All right, man. Now, let me ask you a question, all right? Between you and I, okay? Who? Orlando. You want Orlando to leave before you tell us what happened? >> Oh, no, man. I'm I'm just saying I don't know, man, what happened. I'm saying I'll just say it. Like I said, >> You were in your room. >> Trying to play it >> Bro, that's a .45 caliber handgun that was shot off in there. And you heard it. You heard it. You heard it, but you hear nothing before that. Hey, man, don't look that way. You can look over here. Why don't you look at me when I'm talking to you? Why don't you look at me when I'm talking to you, man? >> I have no idea what happened. I don't know what nobody else has going on. I don't want people talking about using my name. >> Okay, what about that on the counter? What's that about? >> I don't know. >> This is on your counter, man. This is yours. It's your apartment. >> It's cereal. >> That's cereal? In the little baggie? That's cereal? Yeah. What you got cereal in there for? You trying to rip somebody off? >> That was cereal. >> Was he trying to rip somebody off? >> I didn't know that cereal. >> Now we're getting somewhere. >> The double portal. >> Mhm. So who was trying to rip who off? Cuz somebody put cereal in that little baggie and gave it to somebody. And somebody didn't like that, obviously. >> I didn't want to hear it. >> Okay, then what was it? Obviously it was something else that you know about. And here's the deal, Calvin. Right now, they're sending detectives on the way. You can consider yourself, I guess the technical language would be detained. So far, you are not being charged. So far. But based on what I've been told and what I believe to be true, you will The question is with what and to what extent. Your option right now is really simple. You can carry the ball all by yourself with nobody blocking, or you can tell the truth about what happened. Don't tell me this I don't know stuff because that's bull. >> I ain't telling nobody I ain't got no name on it. They said I got to do do my phone and it was blood on my hand on my phone, but besides it, I ain't got no >> Who told you to shoot Alfonso? Who told you to shoot Alfonso? Who told you to shoot Alfonso? >> Nobody. >> So you just did it on your own accord? >> He got mad because I ain't talked to him, but y'all insisted on talking to me, but they didn't have nothing to talk about because I don't know nothing because he know if I know, I'm going to tell the truth. You ain't going to tell the truth, Phil. >> Who told you to shoot Alfonso? Look at me and tell me the truth. Who told you to shoot Alfonso? Cuz that person or you, one of the other, is the one that pulled the trigger. >> I said I don't check my hand. I didn't shoot nobody. >> You're in your apartment and your apartment and somebody got shot. You know what that is? That's you, brother. >> For now, I don't know where but for me it didn't probably get put out. >> That's the least of your concern, isn't it? That is the least of it. For now. >> Let me Let me My my my my I'm right. >> Have a seat >> Turn around, tell him. Turn around, tell him. And turn your back, man. All right, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed >> Yes. >> All right. Having understood his rights, do you wish to talk to me now? >> I need to go home. >> You need to go home. So, the question I asked was yes or no. Are you willing to talk to me now? >> I mean, I'm going to tell you the truth. >> Uh-huh. >> Listen, I'mma answer you. I'mma answer you. It ain't going to be crazy. It ain't going to be funny. >> I don't want to hear anything crazy, so let's go. >> I wasn't going to talk to anybody about anything they want to talk about. >> Okay. >> But they can't make my answer be their answer. They can't make what they think I should know what they know. >> I hear you. >> If I need to bathroom right quick before I leave, sir. You hear a goddamn uh firecracker go off in a goddamn frying pan or something like that. I mean, really. That's all I thought it was. >> Okay. You need a potty before we go or Okay. Tell you what, let's go do this first and we'll talk, okay? Who's Charlie Pope? Do you go by Charlie Pope, too? >> Uh >> I real talk. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's what I thought. Alter ego. Yeah, I hear I hear you, man. I got that, too. We both know why we're here, right? >> We're trying to figure out what the >> Uh-huh. Which I to involve a what? Gunshots, maybe? >> Oh, yeah. >> Cool. >> I don't know. It It really was there like crazy. >> Okay. Real talk. I've talked to quite a number of people, okay? So, this is your chance right now, under Miranda, to explain your side of things, okay? >> I don't have a side. >> Let's Yeah, let's not talk about firecrackers and pot. We know We know that's BS. >> That's my apartment. That's my house. I don't give a [ __ ] about nobody in the whole wide world. Dead son, cousin, brother, all of that. Anybody who white, black, green, gray, purple, yellow, tall, big, anything. I don't care about no single nobody else. Don't care about nobody or nothing. >> If that was your apartment, yeah, let's not talk about firecrackers and pot. We know >> you say that? >> It was. It is. Did somebody come up to your place that shouldn't have been there? Do you something they weren't supposed to do? >> I don't know. What I'm saying, I don't know. I was cleaning up. And um I even let people like I'm going to tell you about like how people use the bedroom and they got their girl and want to get booty and all that stuff. >> I definitely want to hear about that. Go ahead. >> I don't really care, you know what I'm saying? You don't matter to me. It don't matter to me. I mean, I'm over nice when it comes to stuff like that. So, then um she was in my room, so I was in a in the sofa on the living room sofa. And he came [snorts] back banging banging banging on the door and then I said, "Y'all think it It's been for a while, so much so I just don't even You know, I don't want to deal with it right now and >> Can I backtrack for a second? I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. So, you were with the girl on the sofa. >> I was on the sofa. I let the girl just lay me down in my room. >> Okay, so your girl was in your room. And you don't know her name, do you? >> No. >> You sure? >> I don't know what her name is. I mean, um >> Cuz I know what the name is. >> Well, whoever Yeah, who Whatever her name is. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, I drink. I don't care about nobody's name. I don't care about none of that. People go by so many nicknames and all kind of stuff. They going to shoot you some bullets. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about they they live by their alias. They would knock on your door. And then if they knock on your door and I don't answer, I've been so friendly so far along the way, they'll come on in. I don't know how people get that, you know, they indicate that they can do that. >> So it just words out that people can do that. >> No, I don't think it's words out. I mean, you know, >> Because you didn't know this guy beforehand though. You said Turkey, but >> I'm talking about not last night as the incident night. Before that. Before they were back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and all that. Oh my god. Oh my god. This [ __ ] I can't take this [ __ ] I can't take this [ __ ] So he left and got up some other things and he left and she just went back there and in my room and lay on and I lay in the living room on the sofa. >> Mhm. >> So he came back. He knock knock knock knock knock. And I left and went and got some money out of my car. I went to the Chevron. >> Okay. >> And I got >> [clears throat] >> some some beer and potato chips and dill pickle chips and three [clears throat] t-shirts and $400 in my car. >> Okay. >> And came back and they were gone. My door was open. I went in. Put my stuff down. >> Mhm. >> And I looked around and I was like but it was not like in disarray like that. It was just everything I keep everything like neat, organized. I I like girls. I mean, you know, I like women. That's what I do. >> That's fair, man. It is. >> I I ain't even really hear a altercation or nothing that just actually sprung off. >> You believe in God? >> My own said Jesus the king of kings, lord of >> Oh yeah, it does. Yeah. >> Christ I can do all things through Christ who strengthen me. Matthew 16:26. What is the profit of man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Only God can judge it to me. Knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. In God I trust. >> That's impressive, man. So, I'm God-fearing myself, okay? I go to church regularly. Would you be comfortable standing before God and Jesus right now telling this story? Knowing that you're going to have eternal salvation. Okay. So, let's backtrack. Something's not adding up right now. And I'm talking to everybody the same way I'm talking to you right now, okay? I'm trying to piece a puzzle together. >> That's right. That's right. >> Right? Okay. >> You better believe it. That's right. >> Yeah, exactly. So, this guy is staying in the hallway. Did he have anybody with him? Did they threaten you? I mean, your house, you have the right to defend yourself. That's where I'm at right now, man. Cuz you better believe I have a house. If someone just shows up to my house like that, mhm. Like this is man-to-man, man. This is real talk. >> I'm not a defensive type person. I mean, it don't matter about none of that if it hadn't been because >> Everybody's offensive, man. >> I don't have to I'm just saying I don't have to open my door. I don't have to >> You don't have to open your door. >> I don't have to answer the door. I don't I tell everybody or whoever I'm around don't open that door. You don't know who on the other side of or what might be the situation. >> Okay, this is what I heard. We had this guy and this other guy that was with him show up to your door in your apartment. And we both know this girl by the name, if you don't know her name, that's fine, but her name's Charlene. Ever heard her name before? She was the girl that was with you. Does that sound familiar? It does, right? Okay. How old are you? >> I'm 45. >> That's what I thought, okay. There was somebody there that was a lot younger from what I gathered, they were probably in their 20s. Who was that guy? And this is there is enough witnesses, I know somebody else was there. I'm just trying to figure out who this guy was. >> I said, um, well, I just know that, uh, this guy came and, um, wanted to use a charger. I let him use my charger and my battery pack. >> This is the way to exonerate yourself right now from any wrongdoing. We already know what happened tonight. All right, I got two gunshot victims victims in the hospital right now. All right, all right, I had to talk to them. This is the way for you to exonerate yourself from any wrongdoing. Do you owe it to anybody else to cover for them? >> Cuz I've been dealing with she's been arrested twice for something she could have avoided. >> For what? >> It's it's it's like probation violation. It's just going back to jail and then you want me to stick with you. You help me and you keep going back. I'm too old for that. So yeah, our problem is more like me trying to make sure she's okay or save her from herself. He's my age as well except >> Who is he? >> Um Charlie Pope, whatever y'all keep calling him Tyrone or whatever. >> Tyrone? >> He's more of a manipulator. That's why he keeps a lot of young girls in his house by the bunches. I'm not being funny. I'm just telling you what I know. >> I hear you, man. >> There was no reason for anybody to get shot. I'll tell you that much. No hand was raised. I'm I'm going to raise my hand and I say, "Come out of here." That's the only hand that was raised. >> So can we try something if you don't mind? >> Yes, sir. >> So What's the last thing you remember? You got a shot, do you remember more than that? >> I don't remember. I was so focused on her like I'm like serious cuz when I seen her I'm like, "What are you doing in there?" >> Mhm. >> And I just got out out of the got out of the other day she said, "Well, baby, I I didn't know where you were. I didn't want to be just roaming outside and I know that um I need to charge my phone up." A lot of people got put out that complex so she don't really know anybody. And we we know he's been living there for a minute. But it's just I don't care about a phone nothing. It's just the his whole area. But anyways, so when the guy said his name the dude dude let him in. I mean he opened the door. When he opened the door I just I got in front of the door and looked like that and I seen my girl sitting there. So I'm like "Come out of here. What are you doing in here?" >> Okay. >> And so I was like like I stepped towards inside the door. He said, "No, uh-uh, not don't walk in my house." Backed up. He backed up towards his counter like he was he was like about me and him. And I'm still focused on him and like, "Bring your ass out of you can get your ass out of here." And I'm focused on her focused on her. >> Mhm. >> I heard shoot the [ __ ] That's what I heard. And the dude who shot me wasn't saying it. The guy beside me wasn't saying it either. And he was the only other person in there. >> Okay. >> So I didn't have to see you say it where no one else is in there. >> Yeah. And you don't know who said it though. >> It had to be him, man, because I would have said >> him though? >> Charlie Pope. I didn't say his name. >> Okay. >> I don't Y'all Some people don't know Tyrone. Some people don't know him. >> That's fair. So everybody who was in the apartment was you and Charlie and Tyrone. >> Yeah. >> Pope was there. >> Uh-huh. >> And then who was young guy? >> I ain't never seen this young guy. Even if the dude was knocking, cuz the other I guess if somebody else got shot >> So young guy was the guy who was knocking on the door. >> No, the young guy was the guy who was shot. >> Okay. You're 45 years old, man. >> No. >> I don't owe anything to buddy, you know, anything to any younger person. >> No. >> So who is this guy? >> What guy? >> The other guy you said was in the apartment. Cuz we know I know there's another guy in the apartment. Let's cut the [ __ ] >> I mean, maybe. I mean, that it maybe if she if I don't know what the >> I don't know. Is it okay if I talk now? >> Just look, I don't see in the good cop bad cop. I don't I don't watch First 48. I don't watch no >> Dude, I I Trust me, I I don't play those games. I don't do the whole good cop bad cop thing. I'm just trying to get the information right now, okay? Cuz at the end of the day, I just want to go home and go to sleep. Okay? This is where I'm at right now, okay? >> And then and what? How the do you think that I can go home and go to sleep if these people got family and all kind If they got any thought in their mind, any doubt in their mind >> Mhm. >> that I had anything to do with what happened >> Did I say you had anything to do with what happened? >> I was just saying it. I want to get it figured out, too. >> I'm not saying you're involved, but I know you know something, all right? I don't want you taking the fall for some stupid crap that somebody else did. So this is what >> How How can I take the fall >> Mhm. >> Somebody else might take the fall. They I mean >> Look, to us, a thing called probable cause, okay? Enough witness statements kind of makes a story drive, right? All right, so this is what I have. Okay, if I can tell you the story, okay? I told you I have two gunshot victims in the hospital right now. A shot through the right femur. You know what that means, right? Right femur? Right here, okay? I've been able to piece enough together to know they both showed up to your door, all right? Confronted I don't know if it'd be you or somebody else in that apartment about Charlene, all right? Being there. I'm not saying you have anything to do with Charlene being there. Y'all are adults. I don't care. From what I heard and I know, all right? Shots happened after that. I'm quite aware you were in that apartment when that happened. I'm not saying you're the one to fire the gun, all right? I know >> I was in there. I told you I was in there. I said I thought it was a stupid prank because I swear to God on my soul, I put it God is my witness. I just made a joke the other day. I said I wish I had a gun with some blanks in it or either some firecrackers I could put in a pot and somebody just keep knocking on my door, knocking on my door. And so, I mean, that didn't just pop in my head, but I never imagined nobody shoot nobody or shoot no gun in there or nobody even having no altercation. Wow, I mean, you know what I'm saying? >> Did you shoot a gun? >> No. >> Who shot the gun, then? >> I don't know who shot the gun. [clears throat] Then they asking me and then they saying somebody ran out the door or something and I was like >> Mhm. I'm aware. >> Go [ __ ] >> Did you hear a gunfire? >> I did hear a gunfire. >> Do you know where it came from? >> It came from my living room. >> From your living room, okay? So, parts of the story are starting to drive, all right? So, we know if somebody was already in the house with you, right? We know it came from your living room. I know this guy and this other guy arrived outside of your door. Can we agree on that? There were two people outside your door. >> I'm I'm saying I don't know how many people was outside. >> Yeah, that's fair. There was probably a lot going on all at once. And so, you don't know who shot that gun. I know it wasn't you. Did you know who crap did you need to be, man? Come on now. >> let me tell something, though. >> Yeah. >> This is the truth. And it's bad to say This is the worst thing I ever said. She come >> She She what? No, I'm sorry. >> She come to my house sometime, man. >> Okay. >> Uh she got friends and people that she talk to or whatever. And I don't care. I didn't know getting nobody a wedding or anything or what kind of or nothing or whatever, you know what I'm saying? But if she had somebody over there or somebody came and she was talking to them or what cuz she'll leave out, she'll come back, she'll leave out, she'll come back. >> I believe that. I believe that. >> it don't even bother me. >> You slept with her or had a relationship in the past. I don't give a damn about that. But >> I begged she won't do it. >> Okay, so you did beg and she won't >> I'm saying before we became, you know, all right, you know, but I always still, like I said, in spurts. >> Mhm. >> She move around. We had no no kind of no relations. And I promise you I don't have some relations with damn near >> [sighs and gasps] >> I did it and I I don't >> Most of the wild most of the wild girls that's around there. >> Yeah. >> But like I said, if they got significant other that, you know, I don't too much deal in anything like that, you know, cuz I don't like trouble. >> Here's my question to you. Did it seem like she had a significant other? This is man to man. Like I I don't think she did. But somebody else thought that. The guy that shows up to your door thinks that he and Charlene are in a relationship. All right? I don't believe she thought that at all. All right? I think that was totally on this dude. I believe what you're saying too that she tried to make advances toward her in the past and she said no, all right? But she's she's her own person. She's an adult. >> Not advances like >> Advances is enough in fact that you said, "Hey, you want to do it?" You know, and she said no, all right? >> That was just like >> But you took an interest in her at one point. There's nothing wrong with that. >> Not one point. Beyond one point. >> Beyond one point. >> I mean because because let me say that to say this. She's beautiful. She's a lady. >> Mhm. >> But, like I said, I'm I like women more than just that. I like them to the point where I want to see where their mind frame at and what they're trying to do with their self instead of just everyday just maybe drinking or whatever they doing. >> Mhm. >> And are they trying to do something more than what they doing with the kids if they got kids or whatever. >> Dude, I ain't judging you about anything. Okay, that's not what this is about. So, basically, I'm establishing I know why this guy was there. All right, I know why she was there. Still nothing about blaming you. All right, all I know is you were there. I know that for a fact. >> Yeah, I was. >> Okay. >> For a fact, absolutely. >> For a fact, you were there when that gun went off. >> I never left that guy on that floor. I dialed 911 on my phone as well as he did on his phone. >> What guy What guy on your What guy on your floor? >> Um the guy that I had seen that I had well met or let. >> Okay, so this is where I kind of want to cut the All right. So, you're 45. The two guys I dealt with, they have a lot of history in Clark County. Everybody here knows them. What I'm trying to establish is that these guys that came to your door have guns out trying to shoot y'all. >> No. >> No? >> I mean, not me. I mean, I don't know what they tried to do. Well, I don't know if they did or not. I don't know. >> That's fair and I I That That That is okay. What I'm trying to figure out is he came to the door cuz he got word that Charlene was at your apartment and that's why he went over there. When he got to your door, what did he do? What defensive measures did you take? Did you yell out anything at anybody in fear for your life? >> I wasn't I ain't man, I don't know. Why would I be in fear for my life? >> Oh, dude, everybody's in fear for their life at some point. Come on now. Did you yell out anything at somebody else in your apartment to do any action to do? You [clears throat] did not say any point, "Shoot him." I told you I I talked to a lot of people. I got camera footage. I got eyewitnesses, man. >> No. >> And you're still going to deny this? >> That's crazy. Who in the hell even if I'm saying just just beyond my wildest imagination. Shoot him. Who the [ __ ] man, who am I? >> You're you're 45. You're established. People look at people as a leadership role, man. Okay? I'm the same way. >> That's not a leadership role. That's a failure role. >> That is a failure role. You're absolutely correct. >> That would be a failure role. >> Mhm. >> That's dumb. >> So, you're just not going to drop his name. >> I'm just saying I don't know. I'm saying like I said >> And that is fair. If you don't know who he is before tonight, that's fine. And we're still in tonight in my opinion because I'm having no sleep yet. I know this ain't your first rodeo, man. Come on now. This ain't your first rodeo of talking to an officer with an attacker, right? >> no. I ain't never talked to I ain't never had to. I never been in no [ __ ] like this. >> Okay. >> I always have little deals and little stuff like that. >> Mhm. >> I mean >> I just need to check my computer for something real quick, okay? >> Okay, yes, sir. >> Okay. And I'll be right back. Sounds good? >> Cool. >> Sounds good, man. Still with me? All right. So, you awake? All right. You also go by Frog? I just found that out. >> Mhm? >> Is that another alter ego, Frog? Never heard of that name before. Okay. >> Yeah, I mean not for me. >> Not for you, but somebody else. Who is somebody else? >> Not me. >> Not you. Okay. So, how many kids do you have? >> Five. >> Five. Okay. How many sons do you have? >> One. >> One. What's his name? >> Taiwan. >> All right. Taiwan. I'm glad you're being a daddy, okay? I'm a daddy, too. What's his birthday? Year? >> I think '98. >> '98. Where's he stay at? >> Uh Yeah, you're thinking a lot about this, man. That's your son. You should know where he stays at. >> No, sir. >> Mhm. >> Oh, let me call my phone. >> Why is that? >> Because I wouldn't allow him to smoke marijuana in my house and smoke cigarettes and black and milds in my house. And I was being nice, but um then him and his girl were getting nude in my bed and I slept in the living room. >> Wait, hold on. Hold on. Him and his girl get nude in your bed? >> That's right. That's my son. Whether whether it's anybody else or like I said, I stayed in the living room cuz I would control that living room if I'm in that living room. >> When >> lie. >> When's the last time he's been at your apartment? >> Uh about last [clears throat] week. >> Last week? >> like two, three days. He had his girl, you know. They were just They were kicking it pretty good, but I guess things didn't get along. >> Who's his girl? >> Randall. >> Okay. >> Yeah, [snorts] my different before. >> So, you're saying was he there tonight {slash} last night? >> No, sir. >> No. You sure? >> I'm positive. Absolutely. >> You're positive he's not the one who fired that gun in your apartment? >> If he had, I would have [clears throat] told you. I mean, straight up. >> Okay. >> It don't matter who I am. >> Cuz it wasn't you to fire the gun. It wasn't Charlene to fire the gun, right? >> That's right. >> Okay. Who was the guy that shot fired the gun? I was a dude. >> I don't know. >> It wasn't your son. >> No, sir. >> All right. Cuz the son listens to his father. You give him a directive to shoot somebody because you feel threatened and you know he's the one that has the gun. >> He got a lot of guns. He like them. >> I'm aware of that. This isn't news to me. Was it your son that shot that gun tonight? You ain't going to snitch on him. >> Yeah, I tell. I mean, I don't want to I don't know I don't I don't know, but I know it wasn't my son because me and him ain't been in no kind of communication [clears throat] cuz he called me a fool. >> Mhm. >> I don't know. I told him to not come in my house. Him and my niece was coming in and I told him I said, "I didn't I'm not >> Did you at any point fire a gun? >> No, sir. >> All right. Would you be willing for me to swab your hands, submit this to the GBI? You know what GBI is, right? >> Georgia Bureau >> of Investigation, all right? They're top people in Georgia. They're really good at their job. Would you be willing for me to swab your hands? >> The swab way? >> Okay. All right. This is right hand, okay? All righty. So, What's that? >> What you got to do camera >> It's just recording so I can go back and look at anything I got to write down. So, you're obviously not driving. I think so. I'm just trying to piece it together. Everybody's already dropped your name. >> Really? >> I mean like Al did. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah, Charles. So, you're there that night the gun went off. Do you know who it was? >> Um no, but I kind of found out. I just met the guy that night. >> You met the guy that night? Was it Was it my >> I think this is where he live. >> Okay. That's So, we have another detective who knows him very well. I showed him that picture. Hold on. Yeah, here it is. See him right there? 100%? Okay. He does have a lot of history of shootings and stuff like that. >> the scariest thing I think I've ever experienced. >> What's that? >> That's the scariest thing I think I've ever experienced. >> I've had some. >> I mean, just standing there and seeing, you know, >> Is he the only one that shot a gun? So, >> No, Al didn't have one. >> Okay, that's what I thought. So, Charles Pope is there already, I guess. Did he yell for this kid to shoot? >> Yeah, he was like, "Get this nigger." And then he was >> That's what Al was telling me, too. >> Yeah, like >> I I didn't think that the kid was going to do that cuz I'm pretty much boxed in the apartment. >> Mhm. >> Like, Al came to get me. You know, Al always aggressive cuz he just don't like cuz Charles was creepy, but like he didn't do me like that, you know, like Charles going to be like, "I'm not no pushover. You're not a pushover." do me like that. >> Yeah. Did any of them enter the apartment? So, that was Al and this guy named Orlando? >> And take a shot. I didn't even know Al was shot at first. Like, I just know when the first shot And like maybe like 3 seconds later like shot like five or six more times on me. >> Okay, so he just shot you multiple times. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And then when we got >> So I don't know I don't know if Al accidentally shot himself or if he had a gun he accidentally >> No, I didn't have a gun. >> Okay. That wraps that up then. >> He's crazy but he's not that crazy. >> Yeah, so my I I think a witness said that they thought he saw the gun and he tried to hop over a fence and the gun went off in his leg or something. >> No, that's the kid when the kid um >> Okay. >> came out the apartment cuz I ran I was getting moved. >> Mhm. >> You know cuz I see tape on the floor. I like checked them. Al was already gone. You know what I'm saying? Al ran with the bullet in his leg cuz you know? And I still didn't even know he was shot cuz you know tape was in the floor. So the phone was in the room that little phone and >> Mhm. >> Al left. You know and >> Mhm. >> I'm just like trying to look at the kid and trying to make sure he not about to shoot me, you >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Cuz by the time I make it out the front door and like go around the building the kid jumped over the balcony and gun went off. I don't think he meant to shoot. >> So he's the one who actually shot. >> jumped over Yeah. >> Gotcha. >> the gun. >> Okay. So this is what I gather. Are you with Al or have been with Al in the past? This is my ex. So it was ex-boyfriend. He got pissed that you were over with Charles. >> I don't know much and >> I'll let you know Charles trying to get with you if you didn't know that. >> Oh god. >> Yeah. >> I thought he was gay. I told him that to his face like >> So this this is a literally a weird love triangle that's going on this entire thing. >> Yeah. Ooh. >> Cuz I saw initially I'm like this is not gang related. I was like there's something going on. >> I don't know Al and Charles got into a fight maybe a week ago. >> over you. >> No. He said >> For y'all to warn you. >> [laughter] >> Everything is fine. >> So >> it's it's crazy cuz like Charles is a friend. >> Yeah. >> I only thought he was gay. >> Entry was lawful under Brigham City versus Stuart. Where officers have an objectively reasonable basis to believe someone inside needs immediate aid, no warrant is required. Both conditions were met the moment they walked through that door. The pat-down of a civilian found inside also holds. Terry versus Ohio permits a brief frisk when officers can articulate specific facts suggesting a person may be armed. An active shooting scene with an unknown number of participants is exactly that situation. Officers split duties between two wounded victims at two separate locations while the suspect was still outstanding. No supervisor directing them. That is good incident command instinct. Triage determines priority, not proximity. Here is where the encounter gets complicated. At roughly 10 minutes 36 seconds, the detective told the apartment resident referred to throughout as Tyrone, quote, "You can consider yourself detained." That phrase is not casual. It is a declaration of custodial status. Berkemer versus McCarty Miranda is triggered not by handcuffs, but by whether a reasonable person in that position would feel free to leave. Tyrone would not. Miranda should have run at that exact moment. It was not delivered until 12:32. In that 2-minute gap, the detective asked who ordered the shooting and whether Tyrone was involved. Those questions go directly to criminal liability. Every answer given there is exposed to a suppression motion. Religious appeals, invoking the son by name, stating Tyrone will be charged, only question is with what. Each tactic alone is probably permissible. Together before Miranda, they raise a voluntariness problem under Schneckloth versus Bustamonte, which weighs the totality of circumstances. Miranda was finally delivered at 12:32. Tyrone did not invoke silence. For that waiver to hold, it must be knowing, voluntary, and intelligent. Everything that came before it is the context a judge evaluates when the defense files to suppress. Post-Miranda, the detective's technique was genuinely strong. He used a photograph to get an eyewitness identification. He let Tyrone construct his own narrative while pulling out key specifics. He showed less than he knew. That is skilled interrogation work. Tyrone confirmed the shooter's identity from the photo. His exact words, "100%." That post-Miranda identification, if the waiver survives challenge, is admissible evidence placing the suspect at the scene at the time of the shooting. Tyrone also consented to a gunshot residue swab for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Courts generally uphold voluntary consent, even in high-pressure settings. Absence of GSR on his hands would be consistent with his claim that he never fired. At 37:27, Tyrone said, "I want to talk to a lawyer." The detective said, "Okay, we'll conclude it." Under Davis versus United States, an unambiguous invocation of counsel requires questioning to stop immediately. It did. No hesitation, no pushback. A second suspect was also Mirandized and also invoked counsel. Same result. Detective walked away both times. Two interrogations, two invocations, both honored correctly. That is not always how these encounters end. On the charges, the shooter faced two counts of aggravated assault under Georgia Code Section 16-5-21, which requires assault with a deadly weapon or intent to murder. Filing a .45 caliber handgun into a room with multiple people satisfies that standard. He also faced two counts of firearm possession during commission of a felony under section 16-11-106 plus possession of a firearm by a convicted felon under section 16-11-131. Only that last charge survived. The aggravated assault and weapon possession counts were dismissed through nolle prosequi. Prosecution chose not to proceed. Most likely reason, witnesses stopped cooperating. Felon in possession needs only an identity and a prior conviction. Those facts do not require anyone to take the stand. Charlie Pope, the man multiple witnesses say ordered the shooting, was booked for aggravated assault and released. Charge dismissed November 11th. Georgia's solicitation statute, section 16-4-7, covers commanding another to commit a crime. Never applied to Pope. The shooter pleaded guilty under Georgia's First Offender Act and received 5 years confinement and a $50 fine. Prior record in 2020 at age 17, he shot a 19-year-old in the leg. 3 years confinement. Same conduct, two victims this time. The lead detective earns a B+. Immediate medical response skilled. Post-Miranda interrogation. Both invocations honored without hesitation. The deduction is the 2-minute pre-Miranda gap. Substantive questions about criminal liability asked before rights were read. Real legal exposure created by a fixable procedural habit. Tyrone receives a C+. Calling 911 immediately after the shooting is his single strongest fact. He confirmed the photo ID and cooperated eventually. But the firecracker story and the denials made a dangerous investigation harder for no benefit to himself. The shooter receives a D. Two victims. Prior conviction for the same conduct, illegally armed. The accidental discharge during flight is the only element keeping this from an F. Five years is the legal result. Whether it changes anything is a separate question. Charlie Pope receives a D minus. Every witness account points to him ordering the shooting. He walked with no criminal record from this incident. The detective built a solid case. That outcome is a prosecutorial and witness availability failure. The worst single result in this case. Aspen County police earns a B. Multi-victim, multi-scene response was operationally solid. Triage scene management, detective deployment, all worked. The Miranda timing gap is a policy issue. The fix a written rule requiring Miranda at detention, not at formal arrest. Three lessons this case leaves behind. First, Miranda runs from the moment freedom is restricted, not when handcuffs go on. The phrase "Consider yourself detained." and the rights warning need to happen in the same breath every time on every serious call. Second charges that depend on witnesses are fragile. Felony in possession needs only a record. Aggravated assault needs testimony. In communities where cooperation is unreliable, build parallel evidence tracks from the start. Forensics, surveillance, phone records, so no single witness refusal collapses the case. Third solicitation is a stand-alone crime under Georgia law. Ordering someone to shoot is not a sentencing footnote. When the person who gave the order walks free and the shooter does five years, the accountability structure has not worked as designed. Worth noting, the detective told Tyrone he was being recorded. People who know they are on camera still lie, still protect the wrong people, still damage their own position. The camera changes the evidence. It does not change human nature. The GSR swab is often overlooked in case analysis, but it matters. Tyrone consented voluntarily, which tells you something about his confidence in the result. Physical evidence is what keeps a case alive when witness testimony falls apart in court. The love triangle motive illustrates something prosecutors deal with constantly. The dispute is personal. Everyone knows each other, and the people with information feel the most pressure to stay quiet. That dynamic explains why nolle prosequi happens more than it should. >> At 17, the shooter got 3 years for a shooting. At roughly 20, back with a gun, two more victims. The First Offender Act is a legal second chance. Whether anything made that chance real is a question the sentence alone cannot answer. The case ultimately turned on the one charge that did not require a cooperative witness. That is a real lesson for prosecutors building violent crime cases. Anchor your strongest count to physical evidence, not to someone who might recant under pressure from the neighborhood. >> If there are updates to this case, court records, civil filings, outcomes not captured here, drop them in the comments. Public records in Georgia are accessible, and these cases deserve accurate follow-through. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic you would like us to discuss in the comments below. 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