It's the green chair that doesn't move. Appreciate you coming in. Yes, ma'am. Can I I whenever we have a moment. >> Sure. Um so obviously um he received his autopsy. So, I'm going to read you your rights again because I we have to talk about that and since I'm talking about the incident, we just have to do it just like we did yesterday. >> Just like we did yesterday. Remember I read you the rights your rights? Yeah. So, the exact same thing, but since I'm asking you follow-up questions, I need to read them to you. Okay. >> All right. So, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer before and during questioning without charge. If you cannot afford a lawyer and want one, one can be provided for you before questioning without charge. Has anyone threatened you or promised you anything to get you to talk to me? >> No. >> And do you understand why I just read you? >> Yes. Perfect. Okay. So, this morning we went to his autopsy um and we were informed of some injuries that he has um by the doctor. So I want um so he's got [cough] scratch marks to his back. [snorts] I know what that's from. Okay. And um it's called a contusion. Do you know what a contusion is? So like basically you're getting hit and then you know you you you get a mark from it. You'll get bruising >> like some someone hit you or something like that. It's called a a contusion. So he had some injuries to his left shoulder. Um he had um he had a cut near his like lip. We could see we could see his um his mouth was a little I haven't land on him. >> Okay. I also too I he fell off my son's bike. >> Okay. >> So I don't know. And he's notorious for running into the wall or the halter. >> Okay. I don't What about the scratches? >> There's also sex. Yes. >> Okay. Cuz there's also like a like a scratch on like the back of his neck like kind of like going but it's like going straight across. I have no idea what that's from. And they're [clears throat] all recent like they they they occurred recently. It wasn't something that occurred post or that occurred a week ago or 2 days ago, 3 days ago. They definitely occurred, you know, the night leading up to when he was >> in all honesty. All honesty, we have not gotten into it. >> Okay. That's why like the only thing I thought you guys were going to ask me about, which I was going to be honest with you anyway, are the scratch marks on his back. >> Mhm. >> Everything else I have no idea what it is. No idea what it is. Nonetheless, I've had my son over the house, too. So, >> Well, your son was there when when was he last there? >> Oh gosh. My understanding he was there like last Tuesday. >> Last I don't know if it was Tuesday, but yes, he was there last week. So, >> well, we're talking about Sunday. >> We're make we're just talking about what occurred Sunday >> cuz like I said, the injuries are they occurred within that time period. >> So, you're talking about day before yesterday. >> Sunday leading into Monday. You called it yesterday at 1. So, but the incident you guys were painting and stuff the night prior, >> correct? >> So, we're talking about Sunday and then thoroughly confused because we had a good time sitting on the back porch. having wine and smoking a couple of cigarettes and then decided to go inside and literally paint, do puzzles and play >> and listen to music. That's why nobody got out of sorts. That this is what's mindblowing to me. Like I don't >> I have no clue. Nobody laid a hand on anybody. He also had um like on the left side of his forehead he had basically bruising um and um on on like his head and skull. I have no idea. As if something hit him. I consider not for him. >> I have not touched him. [clears throat] I have not touched him. >> How would you get those injuries? >> Tell me and we'll both know. I have not touched him. Yesterday when we took photographs of your overall body um and they did the swabs, did they go under your fingernails? >> No. Okay. Are you willing to let us absolutely swab underneath your fingernails? Go for it. >> Okay. I have no idea. And I don't want to seem out of sorts, but I have no idea. We had a good day. >> Mhm. >> It was a good day. We've had good days lately. Even considering everything that's going on with our jobs and life in general and ex-wives and everything, it's been good. Like I don't even know where this is coming from. >> Yeah. I think the last physical was probably you said I think what a month ago >> where you got the injury, right? You said that a few weeks, give or take. Yeah. A few weeks. That was the last like physical altercation between the two of you. >> Um he said a month ago he hit you with a curtain rod. >> Yeah, with a curtain rod. That's why I can't believe you guys didn't take that either. Like we've been good. I don't know if like it's since the last time he got out of jail. Like we've been good and he's been having his classes >> and his seeing his probation officer who's amazing. So >> what do you mean by good? What's your definition of good? >> The probation officer? >> Oh no. You said you guys have been good. What's your definition? >> I've been good. I don't think you all understand. and he comes at me all the time. He comes at me. So, it's either I flee or try to go upstairs and go to sleep. That's usually what it is. And I don't know if you talked to Brian about any of that, but most of the time when I flee, I go over there. So, right. But you're saying that you guys have been good. And when I asked you yesterday, there hasn't The last incident that you could remember was the curtain red incident, which you said was a month ago. So, give or take. >> Right. So, what do you mean by he comes after you? Like, >> he gets belligerently drunk. >> Like, I don't know if you all have looked through my phone yet and seen any of the pictures and the videos that I have taken. >> And the at one point I started documenting everything. >> Okay. >> So, you all will see in my pictures, bloody fingers, split foreheads, he split my nose. I've got this right. I don't know if Brian told you about it where I had to have almost what I had one really bad surgery but then it got really really really really bad where I had to go like four or five more times afterwards for them to pin to it and then poking me in the back of the leg. >> Right. >> So it's >> then why are you still with him? >> Everybody asks me that when I tell you guys this I really love him. Like I do and I feel like I can help him. like I feel like I could help him, which I did because he's come a really he came a really long way from where he was in Philadelphia to moving back to here and to dealing with everything else that he's been dealing with. >> Mhm. >> I've really helped him. I've bailed him out of jail what, three times. I've gone to every single hearing and every single arraignment, everything that I did for him, gone to see all his public defenders, go to the state. I've gone to the state. I I did everything for him because I'm trying to help him because I had I had hope in him and he was trying. He was really trying just and then he starts to think about things and it just I think he gets overwhelmed and then it's like the next thing I know he's drinking. So it's like oh man I know where this is going to go so I'm going to go upstairs and read a book or I'm going to go for a bike ride or I'm going to do something else OR I DON'T WANT TO DRINK. I DON'T WANT TO drink the occasional wine, whatever. Or if it's a weekend, that's when you you have a good time. You don't have to wake up the next day. I have to wake up the next day and do things. I have to tend to Lucas. I have to take him to school. I have all this stuff to do. He doesn't know how to, I guess, maintain himself where I can do 50 things at once and still know the 50 things more previously prior than I need to get done. He can't process like that. He didn't process like that. So, it he would literally, not literally, but had smoke coming out of his ears. So, the next thing you know, he doesn't want to deal with it. I'm going to go get something to drink. So the majority of the time I would hang out outside or do something else because I don't want to drink. And every time, every time his job broke his heart and it made me sad because he had so much pride in his job and the store that he took care of so much totally went downhill >> and that broke his heart because he had put so much work and effort into fixing it up and his manager was awful and basically gave up on all of the employees. So, I think that had a huge bearing on why he would drink so much. His ex-wife is bonkers. >> She was all over him all the time. Send me money. Send me money. Send me money. How can I send you money when I don't have a job? And he's still trying to take care of me and Lucas by paying a bill here or there, getting some groceries. So he always had something on his mind, which is why again I got the puzzles and the paint to TRY TO GET HIM OFF OF IT SO WE DON'T HAVE A DRINK or he doesn't have a drink. So when you all see my phone, you can see all of the damage he has done to me and the videos of him smashing my television because he's belligerently drunk where most of the time I just don't want to be there. And I try to help him. I try to calm him down. Eventually, he just passes out. >> Well, yesterday it made it sound like you guys were just drinking like a glass or two. Like, yeah, you obviously had the bottle, but you told me on the Yeah, but you told me on recording like that you were not drunk. He was not drunk. You guys were having a good time. >> I don't get I can't get drunk. Number one, I do not want to get drunk. I don't like being non-complimentist, having my wits about myself. I don't like feeling out of control. >> Mhm. >> So, I'm just saying you're you're making it sound like like he's a raging alcoholic today and yesterday I was kind of asking you those questions and you're like a little defensive like no, we're not alcoholics. He we are not, you know, but you guys were both sober on Sunday to your knowledge because when I said you went and passed out, you were like, "No, I didn't pass out. I just fell asleep." So now it's kind of like what is it? Were you guys drinking and it got out of hand and >> it got physical or is it >> Sunday was one of the better days that we have had in quite some time. He's dancing with my dog. You can see that too on the pictures. Him loving the dog. He loves the dog and dancing around having a good time and just just being happy kind of thing. He doesn't know. I can't I mean I can get like maybe two, three glasses of wine and I'll be fine, but I have to have my wits about myself because I don't know what to expect. Well, let's talk about Sunday. What was Sunday? How were you like how many glasses of wine did you have? How many glasses of wine did he have? The bottle was gone. I mean, I don't know if you poured any out. Yes. >> No, that was from previous. >> You said that there was a half bottle left over. >> Mhm. And then um that you had went well I don't even know how the wine how did you guys get the wine for Sunday? I'm guessing he went to Publix. He's Does he do the does he like leave the house and you stay home or do you go to Publix? Like >> sometimes I'll go with him. >> Okay. Do you go with him someday to Publix? >> So most of the time what happens is because the convenience store where we get cigarettes is here and then Publix literally is catting walkers to it. Okay. So, what he'll do is he'll start go by Publix and then on the way back catch the convenience store. >> Okay. So, >> is that what he did Sunday? >> I I'm guessing that's what he did because next thing I know he's walking in with a bottle. >> Okay. >> So, that's okay. >> It's him trying to be nice so I don't have to go out and do it. Plus, there's stuff that around the house that I had to take care of. So, that's usually what will happen. Or I'm folding laundry and he'll go run out and do whatever. >> Okay. So, where were you guys at on on drunkenness, not drunkenness on Sunday? >> You told us you weren't drunk. >> No, I was not drunk. I was not drunk. >> So, with him, I don't know. I I know when it's like, okay, man, where I have told him, slow down. It's starting to catch up with you. Slow down. Slow down. And another thing too is I don't like listening to music with him because he gets too involved in the music and the music that he listens to is a little rough around the edges and like just it makes me fractious listening to his music. So I kept asking him, let's not let's just you and me talk. You and me will just be the ones that are talking, which was fine cuz I mean he we were playing with the dog, whatever. And then it's like, okay, now let's do the painting. We just did the puzzle, took a break. Now, let's do this. Sure enough, sat down. We're sitting in there talking, laughing, talking about new movies. We're watching movie trailers while we're doing painting and all that other stuff. So, it's still background noise to him because I think that's what he's used to is having background noise where me I can sit in here all day with not a peep, but he always has to have some kind of background noise, which I didn't mind because the trailers were cool and he was interested in showing them to me getting excited about movies that were out or upcoming. >> Okay. fell in your laptop you're talking about. Okay. >> And I mean >> and then it we it was >> you said it was a good day. Like you guys didn't have any have any uh conversations about your relationship. You guys didn't go down like the rabbit hole like had too many to drink and you guys start getting >> No. When I tell you this, it made me so happy that he actually listened to what I I had to say with just we'll get through it. This will be fine. It's just it's it's a small hurdle that you and I together will get through because >> I'm talking about the money, jobs, >> Yes. >> nothing relationship wise though like no issues rel like did you guys have a conversation about your relationship or was it just about >> what's going on right now? >> Got it. I try to evoke it from him so he gets it off his chest because I call him the volcano where eventually he's going to erupt, >> right? >> And what he has learned in his classes is to communicate >> which is a huge thing in a relationship where he has been practicing communication. So he actually talks to me about things and unbburdens himself. Put it on me. I'll sit there and try and figure it out for you. Like I have almost everything. Mhm. >> Not a worry. Just tell me. Get it out of you. >> Right. >> But it was when I tell you I was so happy. Like it was such a good day. I kid you not. The weather was beautiful outside. I'm the one that had him go inside so we can do puzzles and painting and listen to music or whatever else he wants to do. So then he starts doing whatever it is we're doing together in the living room and then starts talking because I think he gets comfortable with, okay, you know what? But we're here. It is a good day. Let me go ahead and explain myself so I know. Nobody else knows, but I know. Nobody knew George better than I did. I say that I knew George better than himself. And I tried in every way, shape, and form. Ask everyone. I helped him. I took care of him. I miss him a lot. And I didn't even sleep last night. I miss him a lot. I mean, is there any chance it got to be too much for you and you couldn't handle taking care of him? And I never stopped trying to >> I never stopped. That's what I'm here for. I never stopped. I'm here now cuz I'm STILL TRYING TO HELP HIM. YEAH. We just don't I mean it's unexplainable how he got these injuries and I have no idea. >> You were the only one with him. >> 100% right hand to God. I had no idea how he got them. Nobody touched anybody. Nobody touched anybody. Okay. Um you had mentioned that you take uh you would take photos, videos, just kind of like a proof and just in general. Yeah, I started documenting at one point, but that was that was way before I think the last time that he got arrested where he was flying off the deep end. >> Okay. >> But then I had him bailed out, I got him out of jail, >> right? >> But because he had violated the pre-trial diversion, they this time it's probation. So you don't have a choice in it. You have to go see your probation officer. You have to go to these classes. It's >> courtordered. >> Mhm. where it took him a while to get used to it and understand they're not messing around. I even went down and met his uh probation officer, which I say I she's she's wonderful. That's one of my questions too about hugged me and said how much she knows that I take care of him. She called me personally one time when George was at work when he was working. 42minute phone call she and I just saying how grateful she is that George has me and she knows how hard I'm working to help him just as she is and just as the classes will. So once he started actually going on a regular basis to the probation officer and then to his substance abuse class and his I don't know what VIP stands for matters intervention program >> and actually listening to what it is everyone had to say. He changed like I could I could see a change in him where before lashing out he would think about it and would always come home and show me his papers and we would look over his papers together where it's like wow you actually are learning this in class and some of the stuff that they would show them like videos he would come home and be like Sarah I'm so sorry for what I've done to you because or a video that he watches to make him feel that way where it's like oh and I had done her wrong, but he's changed. He changed. And that's why you're still with him. Even though he's done all these things to you, [clears throat] and when I tell you I love him, I love him. >> Even when you have when you love somebody, you have limits. >> EVERYBODY TELLS ME THAT. ALL MY neighbors don't tell me that. The office property manager. At some point somebody gets enough then they have to to do something to defend themselves. >> I would just sleep. And I don't know if you would like to see on my phone or I think it's I think it's actually on a laptop. I actually because and you have to understand too I have like prior to classes and PO kicked him out how many times? I had him arrested how many times? But you also went down and >> I know >> the next day. >> I know what's on your laptop. >> Um, what was I going to tell you? >> Oh, previously. >> Mhm. >> I actually looked up how to file a restraining order. >> Okay. >> Because I would take him out his parents because of them constantly having to take him back in his bags of clothes, all his stuff. The one time, the last time, the father came out and I raped and just not even I think I don't even know if he knew Lucas was in the car. Just opened the back of my car and just started throwing all his crap in. Just throwing it like throwing it like the car would throw all his stuff at that point because I continually did it. Not continually, I think I maybe did it three times and he has nowhere else to go. They got fed up and said, "Nope. Either you're staying there or you're staying here, but you're staying here at their place. It's permanent. You're not going back over there anymore." So, what happens is he pursues me. So, I don't know if you all know where Katy Way Trail is. Okay. So, we It's literally right right there from our apartment. >> Mhm. would ride his bike to work, but before he would leave extra early and come up to the wall, stand on top of his bike and poke his head over because he would know that I would be outside having my morning cigarette and cup of coffee where and I would also know too what time he would get off of work where I would know come getting off of work, you can do the same thing. So, it's not like I ever got like a break from him where I told you all yesterday or whatever it was. I started to feel that it was too much togetherness. And when you have too much togetherness, friction happens. So, I'm gonna go ride my bike. I'm gonna go upstairs and read a book. But what he every what does he say? Every waking moment, he wants to be with me. So, and mind you, our town home is either upstairs or downstairs. So, it's like if you would like to sit downstairs and watch a movie or play on the laptop, look up some jobs, you're more than welcome to. I'm just going to be upstairs maybe watching one of my shows or maybe reading a book. So, and then when that would happen, we really needed that. So, what's for dinner? And then we would cook together and eat dinner and then crawl on the bed and watch a movie. You're talking about this is like recent. I don't you kind of like lost me like when what do you >> It was a while like a little while ago. Now you're talking about Now you're talking about tension building up and that you need space. So, have you been feeling that way lately or? >> No. >> Okay. >> No. >> Okay. My thing is too, so you all know Oh, I I hate that you can't talk to her, but um the his ex-wife when I say a monster, she's a monster. Like, it does she withholds her their children from speaking to him. So he gets upset about that and then she like completely berates him about money, about the father that he is, what he did to her, all this other stuff. It doesn't matter. I mean, mind you, this is not like good reason. But which is why he didn't even bother calling anymore because he knows that he's she's going to answer and he's going to have to talk to her. So therefore, he can't talk to his daughter. The other time he talked to her ma made her talk to Cookie. That's on my cell phone, too, so you can see it. Mhm. >> It doesn't matter like it doesn't matter. >> What does she have to do though with anything about what happened Sunday and into Monday? Like >> no, I'm just saying like previously why the incidents what happened is she plays a big part in it. >> Okay. >> On top of jobs and money and groceries and all that. >> Okay. >> Sunday I when I tell you this I have no idea. I have no idea. >> Is there anybody else at the house? >> No, it's just me and him. >> Um, since talking yesterday, do you remember any like time timelines better? Like what time uh you guys were playing? What time you he was zipped up in the luggage? What time you stairs? >> We started because we had we cleaned the house a little bit, did some laundry. >> You started the activities around 4:00, you said? Yes, around 4:00 4:30ish and then >> you just said that it was dark when you were playing hide and seek and I'm just curious if you remember >> but when we were outside that's where we would start and talk about things and then eventually I was the one that hadn't come inside so we could >> that's what time do you remember what time that was is what she's asking >> and she said you went up you went up to bed around midnight >> midnight fell asleep around 12:30ish but those are the only times I have so I have 4 and I have midnight. So, there's a big gap. So, I'm just curious like if you recall when you went upstairs to hide in the shower or like when we started to play hide and seek. Yeah. >> Well, we went inside probably about if I had to guess, we weren't we weren't out there too long. Maybe about 6ish. Then >> you're talking about from hanging out outside and like >> Mhm. Okay. >> Well, we have two beach chairs that are out there, right? just enjoy the weather. >> Gotcha. >> Plus, it started to get dark and gnats and mosquitoes. >> Yeah. >> So, let's [snorts] go inside. I don't want to be out here anymore. >> All right, let's go. So, we're doing whatever. We did it for a while because that puzzle, I don't know if they took it or they saw it. Um, worked on the puzzle again, finished it. Started to paint. Well, started listening to music for a little bit. Started to paint. Uh, can we turn the music off? No problem. Start at the top. pain, whatever. Maybe gosh, that puzzle we worked on that for probably a good hour and a half. So 8:00ish is when you want to hide upstairs originally. >> No, that's when we were like painting. So then it's like, "Okay, well I we can't I don't want to paint anymore. Let's just come on. Okay, you want to play hide and seek?" What he does is, "Okay, tag your it." Which like, "Okay, we know. Okay, take off. >> Mhm. >> That's what we did. And then you went upstairs and then he didn't come up and you came down and the suitcase was there originally because you guys were planning to do donations and he was already there. >> Um, have you guys ever played the You said you played hide-and-seek like probably three times in your relationship. When you have played, have you ever zipped him up in a suitcase prior? >> No. >> Okay. So, it was just kind of like that prop was there and it was there and it was in play because >> Why do you say it like that though? >> I would never do that. >> You would never zip them up in a suitcase. >> Well, I mean I mean we were playing. No, I fine. But I'm saying I Well, I'm talking about hide-and-seek, which is a game. So, the suitcase originally is in our closet buried all the way to the back. If you Well, I know the CSI people saw our closet. Our closet needs to be cleaned out really bad. My son's clothes need to be cleaned out really bad because they don't fit him anymore and I'm tired of looking at him. So, he took it upon himself, including that suitcase, to take it downstairs so we can get all of our clothes, our donations, and everything, and just leave the whole thing by the clothing and shoe thing at my son's school. Gotcha. No, we're just I'm just asking out of the in the past like have have you ever zipped him up in anything jokingly or not? But obviously I I understand you know you're claiming that Sunday it was a joking matter. You were laughing, he was laughing, but what I'm just asking is in the past like is it something you guys normally do? >> Absolutely not. >> Okay. Um, we were actually this last game running out of places to hide because we have a town home where it's upstairs or downstairs. So, um, okay. So, do you remember making any videos or maybe having any cover anything any photos videos that you remember doing on your phone on Sunday? But no, I think I took a picture of a dog. Okay. But your phone is password protected. You have the password. He has the facial recognition. So it's not like someone else could be on your phone. >> No, I have both. But >> you have the face and the password. Yeah. But he only has the face. Correct. >> No. >> To be able to get onto your phone. You told me that he looks at the phone. >> Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you were asking if I did. Yes, it's me. >> Okay. Does he have access to your phone? Cuz you said it's your phone. Okay. How does he have access? >> Sarah, can I borrow your phone? Yeah, it's right there on the kitchen counter. Okay. But how did he get into it? Cuz it's password protected. >> He'll he'll come and get it to me. I'll just do the face thing where sometimes too like he's look he'll joke with me and say, "Okay, I need to borrow your phone." And he'll hold up while I'm cooking or does something do the facial recognition. >> Okay. So he doesn't know the password and he doesn't have the facial recognition. >> No, he is the only other person that would use your phone. I'm assuming other >> Well, Lucas, >> right? But Lucas wasn't there someday. I Right. Um, so to your recollection, no videos on Sunday. Not that I'm aware of. Okay. I mean, I like I get maybe I took a picture of them, the two of Tess and the dogs and George and them dancing, but I mean or it's just Tess. >> Mhm. Okay. Um, so I have something that I want to show you that we found. Um, and it was from your phone. >> Mhm. >> Can you see it? >> If you need to move it around, go ahead. >> No, I don't remember that. >> For everything you've done to me. >> For everything you've done to me. >> Your battery is about to die. Shutting down. >> Oh, okay. >> Let me The battery doesn't last very long. >> Yeah, it used to last a lot longer than that. I don't know what happened. >> Okay, let me just grab something. >> All right. No, I was just simply asking cuz um you had a look on your face when she asked you if you've ever done that before. You look kind of shocked and >> No. >> Okay, but why did you say it like that? Like >> I don't think you all understand who I am where >> Well, tell me. >> I mean, I've always been a straight A student. I am an outstanding mother to my son. I excel at everything. I I would not do that. >> You wouldn't lock some zit somebody in a suitcase. >> Well, I didn't like completely lock it. I mean, I opened it with one finger. I left enough in there for him to get out. >> Okay. >> And I wasn't planning on going upstairs and going to sleep. >> Okay. No, it was just the way you said it. >> You guys are scaring me. >> Why? >> Well, we just want you to watch this. It came from your phone. Don't you want to know what's on it? >> Yes, please. Is it long? Because I don't know how much I can take. >> Mm-m. >> I don't know how much I can take. >> I don't know how to find your Do I have to watch this? I continuously throw up. I don't sleep. I don't want to see it if that's okay. >> Well, it's on your phone and you can either explain it or we take it for what it is. >> Yeah. We're just trying to give you the opportunity to tell us what's going on. >> That's it. >> It's that long. 2 minutes. >> For everything you've done to me. >> For everything you've done to me. [ __ ] you. >> [ __ ] you. >> That's you. >> Stupid. >> That's my name. Don't wear it on me. >> Yeah, that's when you do it me. I don't want to watch that, please. >> Last last time we talked to you, you had said that you put him in the suitcase. He had two fingers hanging out. >> I flipped him over. >> I flipped him over and that's where it was. >> There's two different videos and a still picture where Yeah. That shows you flipping him in different positions and him saying that he can't breathe and you saying [ __ ] >> So this is upside down. So in order for him to have gotten into it, it was flipped up, >> right? It was flipped up normal like as if you're packing something. So this is upside down. >> Guys, this is killing me right now. So, this image is upside down. And then this small video that occurred 11 minutes later, it's flipped over the other way closer to your dining room table. >> Okay. >> Now, he's obviously still in there. So, he didn't How did that How did it go from the back to the front? I flipped it. >> Okay. My plan was not to go upstairs and go to sleep. Well, that's what you did. Yeah. >> But not intentional. >> No, you told me you went upstairs because >> you were getting ready for bed. >> Stop here. >> Okay. But >> show me where you can see any fingers coming out cuz there's the end. >> It's And his head's right here. >> Mhm. >> So going like this rather than going all the way up, it's like this. >> But why is he saying I can't breathe? And why is he pushing on it as if he can't get out? >> It doesn't show a hole. >> There's no hole. There's no fingers. I don't see his fingers. There's no hole. >> I don't know what you want me to tell you. Like I don't know like what you want me to tell you. >> I'm just showing you I'm just telling you what we see and what we've heard from the other video. >> I understand. I understand. He's begging to let for you to let him out. You sound You're laughing in the beginning and then in the end it sounds kind of like a no. It's not malicious. >> Well, saying [ __ ] you. >> It's not malicious. >> Then what is that? >> What does [ __ ] you mean to you? >> Well, like if you were to if I were to tell >> like he does like >> I get told everything by a white woman. So, >> okay. >> I My intention was not to leave him in there. Please understand that. My intention was not to leave him in there, but you went upstairs thinking that he could get himself out, but the video shows and I see his fingers and >> then 30 minutes later he didn't show >> and he's >> and I wake up. >> Do you think he's joking? You told me he was laughing and I We were before the video. There's There's no >> You first got in there. >> Both of us were. >> So, how long was he in there for? Like this video is at 11:12 when it starts. So was he in there for like a long time prior to you recording this? >> No. No. So it goes from funny to no longer funny. >> You're the only one laughing. >> But I didn't think that he was like panicky. Like I didn't I >> So pushing up on a suitcase saying Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, >> I can't breathe. George has done that in the past before too where it's just like he thinks that he's woe is me kind of thing where it's like I don't >> he's never been locked in a suitcase that he couldn't get out. So >> it's kind of I thought it was crawling wolf crying wolf kind of thing. Okay. >> And again my plan >> but nowhere in there is he laughing. Is he joking? He is begging >> and you're the only one laughing. >> Okay. and you're the only one saying derogatory comments like you're mad. No, please don't. I don't mean to sound negative and I don't know if I can say this, but like it's like you guys are kind of trying to like feed me like >> No, I'm just trying to show you a video that you no longer want to watch because you probably don't want to know the outcome of how and what you said. >> Well, I know what you you know what's on that video now. You remember making that video? So why don't you remember making the video? >> Probably because we had been drinking. >> But you weren't drunk. >> Just because I went upstairs and just because you're drunk doesn't mean that you >> times that you were not drunk. You said that you had your wits about you. You said he had his wits about you. >> Mhm. >> You said that you don't like not having your wits. In my experience, if somebody cannot remember doing something to the extent of making two videos and a video and taking a photo, they are intoxicated. >> Okay, I understand where y'all are coming from. >> Well, we're trying to make sense of it. We're trying to figure out >> We're trying to figure out >> this video. >> Explain it to us. We're listening. I just did like we were playing and then like I thought it was my plan was not to go upstairs and go to sleep. My plan was not to He'll be up here any minute, >> but you willingly went upstairs and went to sleep. No one forced you to go upstairs and >> My plan was also to leave him in the suitcase. >> So why didn't you take him out? >> Because I went upstairs and then I fell asleep. But why didn't you consciously think he's asking to come out? He I didn't do it intentionally. >> What do you think is going to happen if you leave somebody in a confined space like that? >> Well, I thought by not zipping it up all the way, it would be okay. My plan was not to leave him in the >> What was your plan? >> Waiting for him to come upstairs. >> And then when he did it, >> I fell asleep. You said you were up there 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, somebody not coming up. >> Knowing that you that the last time you saw him was in the suitcase, 30 minutes later, you're like, "Maybe I should go check on him. Maybe I shouldn't." No. >> That didn't cross your mind because that's like an assumption. Like that's what you all are thinking. Just >> we're asking. >> It's the whole us. >> It's they're drinking. That's what it is. It's the drinking. I thought it was like I thought he was okay. Like I didn't that you >> He's telling you he's not. He's telling you Sarah, I can't breathe. He's saying your name and you're like that's my name. Don't wear it out. >> Guys, that's how we are with each other. Like he has nobody understands our relationship. This the whole suitcase thing never happened before. Would you leave someone else in a suitcase? Would you leave Lucas in a suitcase jokingly? Cuz it was a joking matter. You put him in there jokingly. Would you leave Lucas jokingly in there? And you love Lucas, right? And you >> I wouldn't do that to him either. I wouldn't do that to him. >> So I I just >> Well, so I'm like again, I don't think you all understand. Like it's I mean it's not my that was not my intention >> but >> y'all don't have any idea what I done for him >> but by your act. And that's exactly right. You get to the point where you've done so much for somebody and they don't show you any appreciation. >> He did. >> Not by by your words in the video. I don't get that. >> He did. >> Because you bring up the fact that when he's choking you, you can't breathe. That's how you felt when he cheated on you. You couldn't breathe and you verbally several times told him just [ __ ] you. Won't let us play the rest of it cuz you don't want. >> When I say cheating, it's on his phone. >> Okay. Cheating is cheating. >> I think so, too. >> Exactly. >> That's your definition of cheating though. So, I mean, >> that's what the word cheat means. >> And that's what you told her in the video. That I couldn't breathe when you cheated on me. No, >> that how I felt when he said, "Sarah, I can't breathe." >> And you told >> I don't know. >> This is >> What would you say if somebody told you that they had done this? >> Done. What? >> Is that somebody in a suitcase and went up and went to bed? >> Do you all not think So, you all think that it's like, "Oh, good. I got him in there. Now I'm going to go to sleep." Is that what you guys are trying to assume or trying to like we're just the video is very portraying of the opposite of what you told us. >> It does not it is not leading up it is not matching what statement you gave us in the car >> and that's why we want to know >> and I don't remember doing this >> the injuries are not consistent with what you told us. So we have a lot of inconsistencies and this video explains itself. It really truly does. You don't think that I have thought that [cough] thought about the video or thought about >> but no again if you don't mind please. So you all are assuming that it's like oh good I got him in there now I'm going to go to sleep. Is that what you all are assuming? >> Well it's not an assumption when that's what you told us that happened. It's what happened. And the video I mean I'm not gonna say you thought he could get out on his >> but the video shows that he can knock it out on his own. >> But I but when I unzipped it I unzipped it with one finger >> from the outside. >> But it had the hole in it. >> And you're claiming that it had a paper clip. So that's what assisted you in doing it. What you told us? When I had my sweatshirt, I said I thought it had a paper clip on it. It's got >> But the zipper part is broken. That's >> Yeah. Which is why we were going to zip it. >> Yeah. >> I I just >> You were able to unzip it from the outside very easily cuz that's the way they're designed. >> But you could on the inside, too. I don't know how. Why wouldn't he have gotten himself out if he could? He >> I don't know. Like I don't know if you saw like where the hole was. >> I don't know. I didn't see a hole. No one. You're the only one that's that's what I'm saying. Like he's in one position and where his head would be, we should be able to see fingers. And then when it's flipped over onto this right side, again, his head is closer to us facing the video. So, we should be able to see fingers. And we don't see anything. We see no movement of him trying to unzip it or physically unzipping it. All we see is pushing up, trying to push out of it. >> Please do not assume. >> I'm not assuming. I haven't attended anything. I follow evidence. >> But my intention was not again, oh good, I got him in there. Now I'm just going to go to sleep. >> What do you think? Someone that knows nothing about this or hears just a little bit like, oh, they were playing around in a suitcase asleep. >> That's what happened. >> But you let him out before I put him in. So why didn't you take him out? >> Because I was upstairs when I fell asleep. >> No, before you went upstairs. You like consciously had to walk upstairs. Do you I mean you obviously remember going to bed because you were able to give me a time frame on that and you specifically told me that that you stairs. >> My intention is not for this to happen. I am sick about it. I've never done anything like this before in the past. I am sick especially with that. I thought I couldn't sleep last night. I don't know. Well, here's the thing. You tell us last night, you you vividly remember this when you told us last night that he was laughing. You were laughing. You put him in the suitcase. He has two fingers sticking out and you go to bed. Now, we see something totally different and it actually shows you upset and again using uh derogatory terms to him when he's begging for his life to get out of that suitcase. So, so my thing is you say we're assuming we're not assuming something but so it just happened to be that whenever I was videotaping or doing whatever else it was had just happened to not have that in it. >> Okay. And you also in the video you can't see any holes. There's nowhere in that where the zipper separates and you can see a hole. If there's a hole he's pushing on it begging you to get out. We should probably see that that that hole that >> he eventually would have been able to get out. Okay. >> Alcohol. >> Based off what you're telling us, he should have been able to get out, but the video shows him attempting to get out, begging to get out, and he can't. So, that's that's just what we're trying to figure out. I don't know if maybe you had too much to drink. You zipped it up all the way. And then, you know, I did not zip it up all the way. Okay. Well, I did not zip it up all the way. This is horrific. Okay. Horrific. It is terrible. horrific. >> I don't think I'll ever be right because of this. Ever be right. Dealing with everything else that I have in my life personally and then this. >> Okay. >> Whom I loved, it was not intentional. I will put my hand on the Bible. It was not intentional. I would not do that to him nor anyone else. >> But you did. Not intentional. >> You intentionally went up to bed. >> I didn't intentionally go to bed because I'm thinking okay. >> How did you not intentionally go to bed? You said you went up to upstairs and got into bed. That's intentionally going to bed. >> Waiting for him >> and he doesn't come. But you don't go down to check on him. >> So I happen to go to sleep. When I say go to sleep. >> And what do you normally do when you do? >> What do you normally do when you go to bed? >> What do you mean? >> What is a bed for? going to sleep, >> right? >> So, you go to tell too that like I do what? Okay. >> You kept telling us, "Hey, I wasn't intoxicated. I wasn't this. I wasn't that." >> Being drunk and intoxicated, which >> yes, you can tell that, "Yeah, I've been drinking, but >> Okay. So, if you weren't intoxicated, then why would you ever leave somebody in a suitcase that's begging to get out that's telling you they can't breathe? >> If I weren't If I hadn't been drinking, you you still think it would be the same thing where it's like, hop in. Uh, I'm going to go to sleep. Is that what you all are trying to do to portray? >> I'm not trying to do anything. I'm simply asking you to explain to me what happened. Everything was fine and dandy. >> I don't fine and dandy. >> Everything was fine and dandy. >> You all don't Okay, for for me to tell you this again, mind you, I've been without him for a day now. >> Mhm. >> I don't know. I I I mean I don't know what you all want me to tell you because this was not in any way, shape, or form hand on the Bible intentional. >> Okay. So, you just left I didn't kill him. >> You left him there to teach him a lesson. >> I didn't mean to leave him there. That's what I'm trying to tell you. >> You got up and walked away. How is that not intentionally leaving him there? >> Because I'm looking at the hole knowing that it's it's there. He'll get out no harm because you don't >> then he doesn't you don't go check on him. >> You say you're up for 30 minutes and he doesn't come up. You don't go down and check on him. >> I'm in the bed. >> You even move up. You move. You admit to moving the suitcase like over. So >> roll it. >> You roll it over like it's not like >> I didn't want that baby like that. >> You didn't want him to be upside down. How do you even get upside down? I want you. >> You guys are killing me right now. I just want you to shut the [ __ ] up. >> That's how he talks to me most of the time. >> I don't know how I don't know how you want me to say it. >> I'm just trying to figure out what you would expect to happen to somebody when you leave them in a suitcase. I didn't mean to leave him in there. >> Okay. >> What's your reasoning for um there >> because I didn't know what to do and how horrific it was. I called Brian and like what 5 minutes later I not even 5 minutes nonetheless. But I had to like try to I was trying to do CPR. I was trying to do CPR. I had to get him out and try to do CPR. And it was continually doing CPR with the dispatch on the phone where he had me count out loud to help me focus on what I was doing. It just I don't know how I mean you you can sit here all day long and say I thought he was going to get himself out but that's he didn't and you went upstairs and you stayed there for 30 minutes before he fell asleep. How But can I say too like you chose not to ever at any point during that 30 minutes walk back down and check on him? No, wait one second because I know like with you all and then like cuz you continually ask me like time frames, time frames, time frames where I told you like I don't bother even looking at the clock most of the time. So it's like a guesstimate. So I for all I know I was maybe it was 10 minutes. >> Okay. But the point is you left the living room where he was begging for help and went upstairs regardless how long you were there. You left. You say >> I thought he was the boy calling Wolf >> again. >> Okay. >> So, when he asked to be let out like what's your reasoning for not letting him out when I was upstairs? No. When he's asking on the video, he asked multiple times. He asked to be let out. I can't breathe. What? Like, why didn't you let him out? >> Well, number one, I number one, I had no idea it was going to end like that. >> Okay. >> Number one. >> Okay. Uh, number two, just you know what? I'll give you 5 minutes or so in there. That's I'll give you 5 minutes or so. >> 5 minutes for what? >> Well, based off the video, one video is at 11:12 and the next one's 11:23. So, you actually gave him at least 11 minutes per video recording. So, my my thing is when it stopped, he asked multiple times. I mean, why why did you not let him out? It's just a simple question to be honest with you. I I mean >> I don't >> Were you punishing them? >> No, just >> Well, that's what you're saying in the video. >> This is what you get. This is what you make me feel like. >> See, and that it's all backfired on me. Like, it's all backfired on me. And I understand the severity of this. I just How >> you done? >> It's awful. I know. >> Okay. >> It's awful. And I will tell you both this right now too. I will never drink alcohol again. >> Okay? >> Like I will never drink alcohol again. I don't care what it is in any way, shape, or form. >> But let's get back to this. What was the reason for leaving him when he's begging to be let out? I don't understand that. >> What I have a feeling was, and again, it's the whole time frame thing. You all >> I'm not asking a time frame. I don't care about a time frame. in the bag SAYING I >> WHEN I my god >> and you say [ __ ] you >> when he so like for like the whole few minutes that he was in there like I >> minimum 11 but yes go ahead it's a few 11 >> from one video >> well in between the two videos okay >> yeah so so what what's the question again >> when he's begging for his life telling you he can't breathe Breathe. Let me out. And you say, "Fuck you. Why don't you just let him out?" What are you trying to do to him? >> There was obviously something in your head that you were thinking of when he was asking to let be let out. You're like, "Yeah." >> Again, it's the boy calling wolf. >> Okay. But where does where does this game end? I don't You're saying this is a game. You got >> obviously like the wrong way. So, what was your intention for leaving him in there? >> And it's not fair. It is not fair. You guys are trying to again Oh, he's in there. Night night. >> That's what happened. >> No, >> that's absolutely what happened. >> Intentionally. >> How's it not? You got up off the couch, walked up a flight of stairs, and got in your bed >> thinking he was going to get out. >> And he didn't. And you still didn't go down. It's the whole 30 minute thing that you guys are trying whatever. It's like I for all I know it's 10 minutes life. He's begging for his life telling me he can't breathe. >> I don't know what you want me to tell you. Like I don't >> I didn't intentionally mean for this to happen. But you can tell us why >> you left him in there and went upstairs. >> That's my only issue. Like what am I supposed to write? What do I write? So, my thing is though, it's what I have a feeling is I went upstairs and just hit the bed kind of thing. But again, I'm thinking he'll be up here in a minute. But then I go out. But my question is, why didn't you just let him out prior to going up? >> I don't know why. >> He's begging to be let out. He's not laughing. He's not having fun. This you said this was supposed to be fun. You were laughing before. Before you said he was laughing, you were laughing. You went upstairs, he had his fingers out of the bag and he was playing. Well, obviously that's not the case. >> So, are you guys So, what is it you're trying to like We're just trying to figure out why >> why what why >> what was motivation for leaving him in the bag? >> Why he was left in the bag? Why did he >> I didn't have any motivation. It was me and he and I having a great day, fooling around and being stupid and apparently me going upstairs and going to hitting the bed, not going to sleep where it's like, hm, I'm [clears throat] tired now. I'm going to go to sleep. >> That's that's excluding, you know, it's a good analogy for the day. Excluding the fact that he's got a a bump on the back of his head, a bump on the front of his head, and his lip is busted and he has a eye. I mean, >> I don't know what you all want me to tell you. Like this is not fair at all. At all >> that you all are assuming that that's from me. >> Where else did it come from? >> If you were say it's opposite. You were in a suitcase and you're asking to be let out. Would you hope that that person would let you out? Like you're asking to be let out of a suitcase. Should they not let you out? Essentially, I'm guessing. I mean, I don't I'm blaming it on the wine. >> Blaming it on the wine. >> So, you guys are like assuming that you keep saying we're assuming we're not we haven't assumed anything. >> But you guys are assuming that that's what I did. >> No, by what the facts of what happened. We got there. You said you pulled him out of the suitcase. You said you went up. You went to bed. We're not assuming that. These are the facts that you're telling us. >> BUT WHAT YOU SAID is like, "Oh, I'm tired. Oh, I'm tired." Well, that's what you told me on a sworn recorded statement yesterday because when I said, "Oh, you went upstairs and passed out." You were like, "No, I did not pass out." You got attitude with me because you were assume you thought I was assuming that you were drunk. So, that's that's an assumption. That was an assumption when I said you passed out. And guess what? You corrected me. >> You're very adamant about the fact that both of you had your weather. What's your favorite word to use? Compass dentist. >> You've used it today, too, that to say that you guys were within your within your list. [cough] >> There's two two empty bottles of wine. >> No, but you bring both of them. >> I think you did. >> We didn't. There's receipts for the >> They were both purchased yesterday. So, I don't know how you didn't cuz they weren't there the day before. >> The one Publix receipts from yesterday. >> Mhm. Only thing purchased on either one was a single bottle of wine. Two of them. So, we have each bottle of wine that was empty in your garbage can that you purchased yesterday or he purchased but you two would have consumed together. >> Okay. Well, I I mean there's receipts so it's not even worth the >> So, this is so I don't know what you guys are. I don't I don't know. We were just hoping that we could figure out why you >> What was the motivation? >> There was no motivation. >> Well, >> but we're watching a video that after talking to you, everything was laughing and fun. Now we're watching a video where it's not laughing and fun. He's begging for his life and you are in a very angry voice telling him to [ __ ] off. >> No. >> Yes. That's absolutely what it was. It's not an assumption. The video is there. We played it for you. So, you guys think that I intentionally? >> You did. You got up on the couch. It doesn't matter. I walked up the couch. I walked up the stairs and got into bed. >> That was intentional. There's no way getting around that. You intentionally did that. Nobody drugged you up there. You didn't float up the damn stairs. >> Okay. Well, it's not fair. It's not fair that you guys keep trying to say that that's what I did. >> I don't know what to tell you. You told us that. You didn't go upstairs. >> Again, there was a hole in a suitcase. I invoked it from the hole with one finger. >> Well, the damn hole didn't do him no good, did it? >> But he could push it open. No, he couldn't. >> I The video shows him pushing up. >> If he could push it open, why wouldn't he have gotten out himself? Why would he beg you to open it? >> Tell you we can't breathe. Okay. If someone can do something for themselves, they're going to do it. They don't need assistance unless they need assistance. But why would he and start doing it? Cuz he couldn't. Cuz it was all the way zipped. >> Okay. Didn't see it. >> It wasn't. >> I intentionally didn't do it. That I intentionally did not do. >> You didn't intentionally do what? >> Zip it all the way. He nor I nor I. Well, he's dead as a result. Lay hands on each other. He is dead as a result. I understand that. >> That's why the two didn't lay hands on each other. >> No, I don't have anything. >> You're right. >> He doesn't whatever that is, whatever this whatever it is. >> He does. >> See, this is what happens. It's not fair that you guys just because he has those automatically blame it on me. Like what about when you had you your injuries and he gets arrested? Is that not fair? >> Really? >> Like really exact same thing? >> He has injuries. You have injuries. Like what does that mean? >> I don't have any injuries. Correct. >> Because he and I HAVE NOT BEEN AT IT WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO every time that you guys fight, you you both hit each other. So you should have probably gone to jail all those times that he went to jail for domestic. Well, the one time I did, [cough] [clears throat] but he completely completely trashed the police report cuz that's nothing what happened because the reason why I got taken in was because my story was different than his. So, I'm being portrayed as like this abuser. We're not saying that he doesn't abuse you. >> Absolutely. >> We're not saying >> So, I'm the one that's being portrayed as the because >> I have never dealt with anything like this before. I don't know what to do, how to do it, and I always know what to do and how to do it. >> This I don't know. So, I don't know like what's going on or like we are simply trying to find out as well. Again, we got one side of the story. You're telling us we're going with what you're saying, but then we find stuff that negates what you're telling us. And I don't even remember doing that. >> Okay. >> You're telling us that we're assuming stuff, but what we're simply doing is telling you what we saw in the video and repeating what you told us. >> I understand because I don't remember that. >> Okay. Does it mean it didn't happen just cuz you don't remember it? >> So, is the texting thing something about me? Like what's is the what? >> Texting. Oh, no. I'm texting. So I don't >> you guys are scaring me. So like I don't know like what to expect. I mean I had questions of things that need to be taken care of. Like I don't have >> any questions. >> I I I have one last question. I just I mean you you realize you're the person that killed him, right? >> I had thought about that. >> Okay. You left him in a bag when he's begging you saying, "I can't breathe. Let me out." And you said, "Fuck you." And you got up off the couch and went upstairs and left him in that bag. Not intentionally. >> Again, >> I would never do that to George. >> You did? >> Not intentionally. >> Know that. >> I don't >> know that. >> You got up and you went up to bed. >> Alcohol is a shitty thing. It's alcohol. >> Not again. The reason that you tell them You all >> please sit down. >> Listen to me. >> Please sit down. >> You all listen. I did not not intentionally kill him. >> Okay. >> So, your intention >> I don't know what it is I need to do or how to do it or what to say or how to say it. >> But your but what was your intention? Everyone knows. Everyone knows everything that I've done for George and love him and continuously help him throughout his life with me and made him a happier, better person. >> And everybody has their limit. >> Everyone knows that. >> Everybody has their limit. >> So it's like, okay, so while we're in a good place right now, I'm going to snap. Is that what While we're in a good place right now? >> Absolutely. I got you on video screaming, "Fuck you." This is what it feels like when you're choking me. This is what it feels like. >> Which was however long ago me. >> You said videos from last night. >> Clearly. >> So you >> there's still feeling towards it. You wouldn't say it if you didn't feel it. But I would never do that. But it happened and you did. But that's being playful. >> But no one's having a good day. >> No one's laughing except you. Every day. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I would hate to see a bad day. >> Y'all are making me out, dude. Person that I'm not. Nor have nor will I ever be. >> Or are you a different person when you're drunk? >> People have different personalities after they consume alcohol. >> It depends if like it's well cuz you're sober now. Sober you nice drunk you not. >> It's both of us. It's both of us. And it's again, it's not fair that you all are assuming that [clears throat] the marks that he has on him are from me. >> We asked you where they came from. >> I have no idea. >> Well, nobody else was there, so nobody else is. >> I have no idea. I swear I did not lay a hand on him. >> Okay. You just zip them in the bag. >> Nor he. You just zip them in the bag >> and then you flip the bag around several times. >> I didn't do that intentionally. >> You didn't intentionally flip the bag around? >> No. Why would I do that? >> Well, you question >> when he was upside down, >> right? >> Well, you had to put him upside down. >> You can't get in a suitcase upside down because the >> Oh my god. put the stand body, but unfortunately, nobody else is there. >> Video showing the the suitcase in several different positions. So, it shows one, like she just said, it had to been on its back with the lid open for him to get in there for you to zip it up. Then it shows it on the other side with him in it. So, you had to flip it to there. Then there's another video where it's on his back again. So, you had to >> I'm leaving it like this, please. I'm leaving it like this. I did not intentionally do this. No malicious content or effort was towards this. No malicious. I would say this is to help you sleep, but you're not sleeping. So, >> I mean, uh, >> last night I maybe got an hour right >> in your voice. You can hear the maliciousness. The [ __ ] you is very very >> You don't talk to people like that. That's not like a common like, "Hey, Scott, [ __ ] you." But that's not that's not common. It's not something people do. And no one that sees that is going to think that. Okay. >> So, we were trying to give you an opportunity and and it is what it is. There's no maliciousness towards that. >> So, I would probably be telling myself that >> my intent my intent was not for that to happen. >> But he went upstairs and went to bed. Or maybe you passed out. I don't know. >> Waiting for him. And the whole time frame thing, it's like it's regardless. That's not really fair. Regardless, waiting for him. It's not like you you walked up the stairs. No one can you can't fly up the stairs. No one can take you up their stairs. You go up the stairs. You lay in the bed >> and you wait for him. Who cares if it's 5 minutes? Who cares if it's 30 freaking seconds? He's begging for his life. He's begging to get out. You go upstairs. >> You're legal. >> It doesn't matter. So it could it get the time frame out of your mind. IT ENDS UP this like it doesn't m it it doesn't matter because >> there's this. So it doesn't matter anything what it is I say. So it makes no difference whatsoever. It just you keep you're lying and like you're not you're now changing about what you're now now you're drunk. >> Oh I never said that I was drunk. >> Exactly. But you did hear today. >> That's okay. >> You said earlier >> everything's everything recorded. You blamed it on the alcohol. >> You blamed it on the alcohol. Alcohol does a lot to people. Yes. But I never said I was drunk. >> You did. >> So you did this. You did this sober. >> You knowingly left him down there sober. >> Uh I have already told both of you also that we were both drinking, >> right? >> Okay. >> But you want to admit that you were drunk. Is that >> I'm telling you all both. This has changed my life. I will take this. I >> I don't know. >> Yeah. That's a true statement. >> Absolutely. But you're trying to dance around the fact that you are okay. Just >> you left them in there. You're trying to dance around the fact you left him in there. >> This is not You didn't leave him. It's not It's not cool. Like this is not cool. That is >> He's dead. >> But you think that I did that intentionally. You think that I did that intentionally. >> You intentionally left him in there and left the room. You went upstairs to a different room. >> You intentionally did that. >> You You did? >> Yes. Because I'm thinking he's going to get out. Okay. And he didn't. >> Obviously not. >> But somebody's begging for their begging saying I >> When you SAY THAT THOUGH, BUT you have to let me out. I can't. >> Y'all don't know George though. Like that again. I thought it was a boy crying. Well, so it was just like what? So if your son was in there and said, "I can't breathe. Are you going to open it or is is he nine? So he's not, you know, it's not a big deal. Question. >> Well, you said you would never put your son in a suitcase. You would only put George in there. >> No, George got in a suitcase >> and you zipped it up. >> Not all the way and not intentionally to leave him there. >> But that's what happened. >> But you keep going away from >> That's exactly what happened. YOU ARE YOU ALL TRYING to have me admit that? Like, are you trying to have me admit that? Because I will never admit it because it's not true. >> It's not true. >> I'm basically staying as a fact cuz that's what happened. >> Okay. >> You videotaped him asking to be let out. You go upstairs. >> So what, guys? So what? like just I don't know what you want me to say other than it was not out of maliciousness or intentional. I don't know what or how I can say it. I love George. Love him to this day still. Love him. Love makes you do crazy. It doesn't do It's not one of those things where it's like, "Oh gosh, you know what? I've done enough for you at this point. I never gave up on him. >> Okay. >> Why I'm here today. I'm still not giving up on him. I would do anything for him. >> Well, you gave up checking up on him. >> Let him out of his suitcase. >> Oh gosh. Okay. >> We're simply just trying to go through. I mean, again, you gave us a completely different story that you churched up to. This was such a a laughing matter. It >> was it was fun. >> Not bad. >> All day all day that video that wasn't >> anybody looking at it does I don't think anybody would look at that video and go George is having fun right now. >> So why is it you all think that I I y'all don't know me. You don't know me would do something like that. Especially having a 9-year-old son. >> I don't know what 9-year-old son would be like. Why are you so Why are you so like caught on what we think >> when because you should be more concerned about what you've told us. It's because like you guys are like trying >> the things that the video shows that are opposite of what you told us and then what you've now >> like what does that say? >> Well, you said that it was funny and you're the only one laughing. >> We were playing before that. Okay. Um >> but then it stops. >> Yeah. >> It obviously stops being fun. >> Well, I >> cuz you're screaming at him. He's not going to get >> screaming at him. >> Sounds like screaming at me. >> I I don't know what you all want to me to tell you. In no way, shape, or form was this intentional at all. Ever. Okay. Are you still going to allow us to do your fingernails? Go for it. Go for it. Okay, cool. All right. I'm going to get that set up. [cough] Do you need any more water? No, but when you come back and I ask about this. >> Yeah. >> So what? >> Just don't understand. >> So it >> I don't understand how your story changes so much to the fact >> that's changing. Please help me explain. I understand. You went on about how this was such a playful thing and you guys were laughing and it probably was for a few minutes, but then it obviously changes. The whole demeanor of this whole situation completely changes. It's not the funny laughing matter. He's not laughing at all. >> I didn't think he was being serious. >> You absolutely sound serious. I think so. Like just >> you don't think your voice you sounded serious? >> It's okay. I I don't know what you want me to tell you. It was a great day. >> Okay. >> It didn't end well. Obviously, >> I was going to say that's uh I mean >> I can't explain to you. I can't explain to you how horrific it was. >> Okay. >> To find him. Horrific. Because I don't remember taking those videos. >> Okay. >> How horrific. I'm thinking he's in the bathroom. I'm thinking he's downstairs in the laptop. I can't find him. >> So what? So what's going to happen? Like >> here's what gets me though is you don't remember taking videos. You don't know where he is. You don't remember him being in the in the suitcase and you're still telling me that you had your wits about you. >> I have their wits about him when >> See, that's what they do. But you can clearly tell. You can clearly tell that I had been drinking something. You can clearly tell. >> I had several people that came up to me in that apartment complex said that you were drunk on a daily basis. >> Right. >> Regularly, >> right? >> Really? >> Right. Talk to the property manager. Talk to the property manager. >> Okay. >> Because it's not >> These are your neighbors, the ones that live next to you. Your property manager does not live next to you. They see you every day. How many You had two neighbors you went to and asked to go use. >> You had two different neighbors that lived directly next to you. You asked to use a restroom and they told you no and turned you away. You had to go across the way to somebody else. >> No. Okay. Kim and Eli. Eli or Kim is not a nice person. She's just automatically not nice. Even after me went over there and introduced herself, she's just not a nice person. >> Then why would you think she would let you use a restroom? >> Because Eli was in there. Eli comes over and talks to us sometimes, which I think pisses him off because he comes over and talks to us. The two of them, they're like super standoffish all the time. My neighbors down the street down the way, their toilet was broken. They had stuff in the bathroom. So then THEY'RE LIKE, "GO OVER THERE AND TRY OVER THERE." >> There's two bathrooms. >> I wouldn't let somebody go upstairs and use my my personal bathroom. That's what the downstairs one is for. If it's somebody you like, would you somebody you knew? >> They're in the process of doing all this stuff in the kitchen and they're stuck in the bathroom and the toilet doesn't work. Just walk across the way. No problem. And of course, they let me in. Them and them, they're together. They're part they're families. And nonetheless, if you really want to know, and I hope it doesn't get them in trouble, but he is over here legally, so he's trying to work on getting his green card. What does that have to do with you using the restroom? >> They didn't want to be involved. >> Show you your address. >> No, no, no. I was asking last night cuz you know, I mean, we had several different people >> Eli and drunk on a regular basis. >> Eli and Kim. Eli and Kim. Okay. Did you ask any next door? >> Those are the ones next door that she asked to use a restroom and they said no. >> No, she said no. >> Okay. And like I said, she's not a nice person. >> They're coming. What are your questions? Yep. >> She can help you out. Who's coming to do the fingernails? >> You said that we >> and you don't have to allow us to do it, just so you know. So, don't take that. >> I don't have a problem. >> Okay. Just make sure. >> So, am I getting my phone back? >> No, >> not today. >> Um, what about losing his laptop? >> No, >> not today. >> Not today. >> What does that mean? >> We're still going through everything. Oh, that's fine. >> You're the one just telling us there's videos that we need to see on it. So, we need to do our due diligence that we go through everything. >> See, and that backfires on me now, too, because now you all think that I had even more in quotes intent to do what I did to him, which was not intentional. What's up, in that is that correct? >> She's asking about your tagging in your hand. >> No, but I'm asking if that's correct. No, I'm not going to read anything that you're saying. I'm not that you're so his person. >> Mhm. >> Do you all inform her or do I need to call her? >> We don't need to. We don't have to inform her. So if you would like to call her, you can. Are you saying cuz he's still on probation? >> No, but because of the nice lady that she is and all that she's done for him, I thought it I didn't know how it was. >> Legally, we just have to tell his parents and we don't go telling we don't >> I didn't even know who his probation officer was. So, no, I wouldn't go down. >> So, the same thing for classes. I need to do that, too. >> Um, >> classes to do what? >> Substance abuse class and his battery intervention. >> Something else I just wanted to ask. >> So, other than this, so initially what was the cause of death? she is still pending because she wants to hold the body for an additional day to see if more of those bruises turn into something bigger. Um, and she's doing some other tests that she's got to do. So, she's pending it for now. So, and that could have been a test of him being in the suitcase >> or y'all are saying that I physically did it. >> That's what she's determining. So, >> the the ones on the head, I I asked her could that have been from the suitcase, and she said she didn't think so. >> I didn't touch him, nor did he touch me. >> Okay. >> I'm leaving a dad. >> Okay. >> Um, so I don't know if you all know how to do this because I So, that's what I was going to get to ask you. So, are you all updating his parents today or when you get his final whatevers? Why does it matter? Why what we tell his parents? What do you mean? >> Because I I >> we're going to have we're going to talk to with them. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I have to >> But it's going to come down to me. >> What do you mean? >> Right. So, it's being put on me. >> Who said that? >> But I So, what does it tell them? We're going to give them an update just like we gave you an update on their autopsy. Okay. So, it's whatever. >> Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Whatever on the head. >> We had to deliver news to them last night that their son was dead. There's not a whole lot of conversation that goes on after that. >> It's not a very easy. >> Was it yesterday or Sunday? Sunday. Today's Tuesday, right? >> Did we not meet you yesterday? We met you yesterday. Yeah, >> I'm just asking. Right. Did we not meet yesterday? >> It's a valid question. >> Uh, really? >> Yes, on Monday. >> Okay. >> Got it. Perfect. >> So, I don't know if I asked you guys or how I find this out other than talking to his parents, which is not going to happen. Yeah, probably a terrible idea. >> What? How do you guys suggest me finding out about funeral? >> That's not even something that's been probably talked about between the family. That's not something we ask. We have no way of >> I didn't know. That's why I'm asking. >> So, >> it'll be up to them to make their arrangements of what they want to do. like she just told you this quick just being told last night. I'll pretty much be willing to wager that they have not even considered what they're going to do. >> Body can't even be released. So, I've been there with parents, grandparents and uncles. Um, so I don't know if I have the right to or not, but like I was going to call his former employees whom he really cared for and let them know. You can call whoever you want. >> I just don't want to do something that I'm not supposed to. Um, how do I go about getting his um, wedding ring, engagement ring? >> It's at the medical examiner's office. It'll come to us eventually and then >> it'll be released to to the next with Kim. >> Yeah. Okay. I bought a swine. >> Okay. >> That is a civil issue. >> It was on his finger. It goes to them. They're the ones that going to release it. We don't have any say in that. >> So, I won't get that back. >> So, for all of this, like, how do I find out what's what, how many, like what's been found? What do you mean? >> Uh, pillow [clears throat] with stain, swabs of stain from pillow, suitcase. That will all be sent off to daily >> a daily Florida Department of Law Enforcement. They do their testing. >> So, and then like whatever white can with blood and necktie with blood was from the suitcase. Correct. >> Why would you guys Oh, you'll see it in there. the baseball bat for Lucas and the seats. And this is just his phone, my phone, and then the laptop. >> Yeah. When anything can be released, we will release it. But we are very early in this investigation. And >> it's not an overnight process, unfortunately. >> So, what's next? >> They're going to come and swap your fingers. No, I'm talking about like in the long run like what do I need to like do I need to be doing something or like I can't tell you like what to do. >> I mean like so like for like I don't understand like I don't know if you guys are just going to like because it makes it sound like to me like I'm being accused of something that was not intentional. I'm being accused of it. >> Mhm. >> And a handful of other things that I'm being accused of. >> Okay. So, I don't want to be at home with Lucas and you guys show up. >> Okay. >> So, it's or we're still investigating that we're I don't know what you want me to tell you. So, is there going to be concrete whatever it is and then it's like, okay, this is what it is kind of thing or like cuz I've done the whole court thing. I've done the whole attorney thing. I've done whatever. So if I'm not admitting anything about being intentional and I killed George. Okay, >> that's not the situation, but it's trying to be pinned on me. >> That was not my intent, but it's trying to be pinned on me. So, however, or whatever it is I need to do in order for that to be proven, then I need to do so. which is why I'm trying to get my ducks in a row. >> Okay. >> So, that's why I'm asking what the next step is other than me getting my nails swapped. >> I mean, you want me to tell you how to not be accused of a crime? Is that what you're asking? Like, I don't know what you >> I'm trying to prepare myself for whatever may need to be done so I can >> I guess for myself. >> I mean, I think you're doing just fine. You came. you talked. >> I just don't want you guys to again show up. And Lucas is in the house. >> Well, we did tell you yesterday that we don't want to do anything around your son, hence why you came to us. So, I don't know why you think that's going to change. >> That andor me not just show up back home. >> I'm sorry. What? That or what? >> Me just not show up back home. That's what Oh. He's so happy that I'm staying over at the house with Brian. Like so happy. And I'm not going back to the house to my house for however long I can stay over here because of whatever to blow over. >> Mhm. And again, if you don't mind me asking, so for whatever it is you all are claiming from the videos, which Yeah. It's Is that what you're going to tell him? like his parents. It's like, "Oh, yeah, and by the way, she did." >> Did what? >> I mean, what would you tell him? >> I don't think it really matters what we're going to tell the parents. >> Oh, yeah. It is a steel to the fire. [clears throat] Well, we can't hide things. And I don't know. I'm not saying we're going to go [clears throat] I'm not saying that we're going to go and tell them every single thing we have. Um, but again, this is the Orange County Sheriff's Office has public record. So eventually like this all will come out. >> Mhm. >> So it like I'm not matter. >> You're making it sound like we're going to tell them something. So then your life is in danger and I don't like that accusation. >> So let's just nip that in the butt right now. >> Well, that's what's going to happen. I cannot I cannot but we can't even but so technically there's no concrete >> report yet even. >> Right. So so it's um you want me to like tell you exactly what I'm going to tell them. >> I don't know what I'm going to tell them. I don't know what I'm going to tell them. Let's just leave it at that. Just like you don't know why you went upstairs. I don't know what I'm going to tell them. >> So we're dealing with >> Can I do Can I call you the way that I did last time? >> Yeah. My phone is open line. Lucy should be here. I don't want you taking off coming out. >> I get it. Look, I get it. That looks really bad. So, that's what scares me. Like, what do I need to plan on? Like, what do I need to plan on? I promise you on my son's life it was not intentional. I promise you on Lucas's life it was not intentional. I don't know you. I can't say I know anything about you. I don't know what is what would be a true statement or what would not. I mean you're promising on your son's life. That's fine. That's how much it means. Sorry. >> That's how much it means. >> Okay. >> I hope you take that to heart. Please. >> It's documented. You said that. Yeah, I get it. >> Do you have any idea when I can get my phone back? What did you say? >> I said no telling. I mean, our digital forensics unit is um got a lot of cases on his plate. I mean, >> well, and that's not technically my laptop. It's Lucas's laptop that he plays. You'll see all the games that he has on there. >> As soon as we can get that back to Lucas, we will. As soon as we can release your phone, we will. there's we have no way of being able to tell you because we don't have control over their case load and how they they arrange what they do. So, I don't know. And at this point, I think honestly with everything else else that's going on that should probably be at the bottom of your list of worries. >> I'm trying to make Lucas happy so he can have his laptop out. >> Okay. >> Did Brian not have a laptop for him? He has his laptop that he has to do for work, but he doesn't want him using it or breaking or dropping. It's not a big deal. There's nothing on the laptop anyway. So, you will keep me posted like updated. >> Mhm. [clears throat] That's my thing is I'm trying to figure out what I need to do in the meantime. I don't know. I can't like I don't know what to tell you though. Like what am I what? But you all have more information than I do where it's Yeah, you might want to or yeah, you might want to. >> I'm sorry. What? >> Like we have more information on what? >> Like >> we told you everything that we have. You know everything that we know and most of it we got from you. >> But that like I was telling her like Yeah. That's bad. like which I saw in my son's life was unintentional. So that's why I'm trying to figure out what I need to do for myself going forward with this nonetheless with his family and are you all just showing up with Lucas in the house? I think we've already both told you that we would be mindful of any situations. So, you guys I guess you're going to call me tomorrow or do we need to come back down here? >> I'll chat with you next time. I have no idea what I'm going to call you next. >> Uh, isn't the report come out tomorrow? No, >> report. >> I'm just saying a report is generated through us and the sheriff's office is a public entity. So, if someone were to come request something, then >> No, I'm talking about um his autopsy. >> She's waiting and doing more followup, but >> she's looking at him again tomorrow. Yeah, >> but she won't be finished with him cuz she's she's pending for other stuff. >> So after this what? >> I'm done for now. How long does this stuff take to get back? >> The other you won't get back. The swabs and stuff will will stay. >> They all know about it. Our dispatch center keeps calling my phone. I keep having to have other people call them to see what they need. I hope you all can really both truly understand that that was not my intent. >> I miss him a lot. >> I mean, >> no, >> but my question has remained the same. What do you expect to happen to somebody when you leave them in a position like that? >> Yes, but you have to understand too. I >> just What would you expect to happen to somebody when you leave them in a position? >> I have no idea because I've never done it before. >> Why have you ever done it before? >> Why would I? >> Exactly. >> Why would I do it before? >> Why did you do it now? I I I clearly have said why. Why? >> No, you don't know why. You You just know that it's not intentional, but you don't know why. >> But that's okay. >> Really? >> I'm not trying to force you to say something that you don't know. It's fading and penning. fact that you guys would assume that I'm that kind of person. We're not assuming anything. We're going by the fact that [ __ ] happened. Like you said, you don't know me. In itself, for me to have to live with getting him out and doing what I did is punishment enough. Not my intention. That would be very random. I literally heard that like Nonetheless, I have to live without him now. >> Yeah. Nonetheless, >> punishment in itself. >> Definitely a a tragic situation. I am through with alcohol and it's unfortunate that stupid things like this happen. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Nonetheless, I have to live without him now. >> His daughters, too. >> Are you trying to make it worse? Sorry. What >> are you trying to make it worse? >> Make a lot worse. >> How I feel? >> CSI that was there yesterday and then she took your photos. HEAT. HEAT. All right. So, I'm just going to take a swab and go around on one hand and then do the separate one for your other hand. Okay. freaking [cough] Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Any other drink? You're going to walk in a little bit. Thank you. Okay, I'm done with all these. Okay, Sarah. So, you're not free to go. Fine. Oh, do you promise everything you told us was the truth or no? >> Everything we've talked about today? >> Yes. What do you mean? I he has to swear. Remember how I swore you yesterday on the on the audio recording? I just forgot. So he would raise his hand to remind me to tell you. >> Okay. Do you promise and swear that everything we talked about today has been true and accurate to the best of your knowledge? >> For which true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. >> What? That it wasn't intentional. >> Everything you've said today, everything that's come out of your mouth has been true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. >> To the best of my knowledge. >> Correct. Yes. >> Why? When we talk to somebody, we to assure that everything that we've talked about is >> true and accurate to the best of that person's knowledge. >> It's not a trick question. >> To the best of my knowledge. >> To the best of your knowledge. >> Everything that you told us today is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. >> Yes. That it was none of them at all. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. Do me a favor. Stand up. I need you to turn around, face the wall, put your hands behind your back. Do you have anything in your pockets that I should know about? >> No. >> Okay. >> Why is this happening? >> Because George is dead. >> Not intentionally. >> We understand that. >> He's still dead. >> Well, we don't. >> Someone needs to call Brian, please. >> Okay. Or can I not make a phone call? >> You'll be able to make a phone call when we get you down to the jail. So why? >> So this was a trick. >> No, it's not a trick. How was it a trick? >> In here to ask you to explain a few things to ush >> and >> you were read. You're right. >> Your response to everything was basically I didn't do it >> intentionally. I didn't do that. >> Doesn't matter. You still have me a favor. Have a seat. Really, guys? >> Really? >> So, if I didn't show up, >> why is it happening? >> Because >> before you all said I could leave when >> that I was done after this. After that, >> we were done. Yes, we were done. Absolutely. >> So now, so that's what it is. >> We are done. Right. Not intentional. >> Okay. >> So, what am I supposed to do now? >> You >> Someone needs to call Brian. >> Okay. >> Lucas is waiting for mom to come home. This was not my intention. I thought I was waiting for you all to come and figure out what's what and how many. >> That's what we're trying to do. >> And I was going to be able to go home and see Lucas. Now he's just not going to have me come home. So there's nothing that I can do. >> All right. No, >> there's nothing that I can do in order to go home and see Lucas and prepare. >> Not right. No. No. You'll be afforded a time in court. You'll be afforded an attorney. You'll be afforded a chance to talk to a judge and all that stuff will be worked out. >> But what's the time frame for that, though? >> I I have no way of being able to tell you. You should make first appearance probably by tomorrow morning, if not tonight, depending how things are busy. How quickly you get down there. >> I don't mission this was going to happen. And I need water like really bad, please. >> How she down here? >> Absolutely not. I just got those. >> Okay, >> they are not allowed in the jail. >> So, I can't even smoke cigarettes before I go. >> What? >> And what am I supposed to do with my car? you find where it is. When you get down there, you'll have free phones. You'll be able to call. >> Well, as soon as possible. >> Yeah. Once you get down there, get booked in. You'll be able to uh use a phone in the in the way. >> But how long will that take? Cuz I need to talk to Brian. >> Yeah. No, it depends how busy, how quickly they get you through. I would say within the hour. It's a free phone call in the in the lobby. It's a free. >> All I'm doing is bring you there. >> She has no clue. So, can I ask you or whoever it is? >> Um, those holding cells, the holding cells, >> am I going to be putting one of those? >> I don't know. >> Last time I had a panic attack. >> Let them know that. >> I don't know. >> Well, you you're familiar with the big bay. As long as you go in and you act civil to them, they'll set you in the big bay. You'll be left there for >> You request that while I'm in there? >> No, that's not up to us. We don't work at the jail. As long as what he's saying is if you don't act like >> you go in and act like this, you'll go in and they'll put you in the big bang. If you go in there screaming and kicking and yelling and cursing, >> I don't know. >> I'm just letting you know that's what happens. That's how they they weave people out. If you go in acting like this, >> I ask for the big bang. >> They'll put you there as long as you're acting like this. >> I Yeah, cuz the last time I had a major panic attack, >> I had nothing. >> So, what am I going to do with my purse? Oh, fine. >> Your purse is going to come, but the cigarettes and stuff can't. So, >> I put I put the lock up, too. >> Oh, it's all good. Mine are now off. So, >> what made you all decide to do this? >> Made us decide to do this. >> Uhhuh. >> George is dead. >> You guys I knew this was going to happen. >> You did? Okay. >> So, I take on you willingly. >> Yes. Absolutely. We were trying to figure out what's going on. We're still trying to figure out >> unintentionally. >> Intentionally or not, George is dead. >> You act like when you say unintentionally, that absolves you from everything. >> I need to get I have my I don't know if it's able to be or not. >> I apologize. I have things in my car that I need to Okay. >> But you're >> What kind of stuff do you have in your car that you're worried about? >> Well, I have my medication. >> Okay. They have a pharmacy there. So, if there's something that you have to have right away, you'll be seeing the nurse. >> They can contact stuff. >> Well, again, when you get checked in, they're [clears throat] going to be seeing your nurse >> and that they have a pharmacy there, so they'll be able to take care of any kind of that stuff. That protocol is out of my realm. I don't work down there, so I don't know. But I do know that you do have a partnership and that you will be afforded to see somebody. Okay. Hold >> on. No.