How's it going, Marsha? Is there anyone else here? >> No, it was just me and my cats. >> Okay. >> How do you sit across from the detectives when they already know far more than what you're willing to say? >> I did not kill him. >> Well, you remember talking to these guys about what's about Steven, right? And Steven was here and we had the video and all that. >> Just days after Harold Allen was found dead, his wife, Marsha Allen, spoke with detectives as if they were investigating a tragic medical loss. She appeared cooperative, [music] somewhat even confident. >> being told is that you guys murdered him. >> I had no idea what happened. They told me that the lining of his heart had hardened and stopped his heart because he had pericarditis. >> But behind the scenes, police had already uncovered deliveries, digital records, and messages that changed everything. >> 20 years on the job, I never thought I would see a case like this. >> And every answer she gave only made things worse. On December 20th, 2022, what first looked like a private family tragedy quickly became something far more troubling. Harold Peanut Allen, a 52-year-old husband, father, and loved one, was found dead at home. >> 911. >> Yeah, uh this is My husband's in the our bedroom floor. He's non-responsive and I need an ambulance at least. >> Okay, what's your address again? >> I >> Okay. How old is he? >> He is 52 uh He's 52. >> Okay. All right, hold on 1 second for me, okay? >> Yeah. >> To those who knew him, Harold was remembered as warm, familiar, and deeply cared for. He was the kind of person whose nickname [music] alone suggested how loved he was. Peanut was the name family and friends knew him by, and news of his sudden death sent shock through those closest to him. Inside the home, there were no signs of a violent struggle. Instead, Harold's death appeared consistent with a sudden medical emergency, [music] something natural and tragic that can happen without warning. Marsha was there as the aftermath unfolded. At that stage, the situation looked heartbreaking, but not criminal, and cases like this are often processed quickly when no outward injuries or forced violence are visible. And for a moment, it seemed this one might be too. It had a grieving household, a husband gone suddenly, and a family left trying to understand what happened in the shambles of the aftermath. >> Did you find him like that? >> Yeah, um I work from home and I I went back there to check on him because he's been sick. In the room right there, he was just laying on the floor like he was trying to get in the bedroom or something, and not breathing. >> Do you want to start CPR if I help you? >> Uh yeah, I could I could do that. >> Okay. Okay. All right, here's what we're going to do, okay? Is he on his belly or is he on his back? >> He's on his back. >> Okay. You made sure he's not breathing, correct? >> Yeah, he >> Okay. Do you know how to do CPR? >> CPR, please. I do. Hang on, I got >> Okay, okay. >> Don't be thrown. >> Put me on speaker phone, you go ahead and start it, okay? >> Yeah, I got you on speaker. >> Okay. But investigators would soon learn that appearances inside that home were dangerously misleading. Because while Harold showed no external injuries, something else was beginning to raise questions behind the scenes. Details that didn't fit a natural death at all. And one small clue would stop this from being called natural causes. Because if Harold's death appeared to be nothing more than a sudden medical tragedy, then what made detectives start looking past the grief and toward the person standing closest to him the entire time. Months after Harold's death, detectives were pulled back to the Allen home for what seemed like a separate crime, a reported burglary involving the family safe. But that safe had a code known only to a small circle with three people, Harold, Marsha, and Ashley. When police tracked down the identified robbers, Steven White and Nathaniel Napier, they were both connected to Ashley and the case took a sudden turn. >> Deputies tracked Steven White to his mother's home within hours. When they knocked on the door, he was read his rights and asked if he knew why they were there. >> So this is this your statement? All right, so uh Where can we talk to you guys at? Privately for a minute. >> Well, we'll go back out to the car cuz >> Yeah, sure. We can take you back. >> No, we're going to take him back here and talk to him real quick and then we'll be back. >> If he you want somebody wants to stay with him >> You guys done with my ID or not? >> Yeah. >> Are you 63 sorry something like that? Single lady and there's there's a protection order. On me. On him. The protected party is Mr. Steven White. >> All right, there isn't EPO. The court date is today. We've already talked about that and discussed that with the police officers here cuz his parents forced >> him to put an EPO out. >> Uh that's not why we're here. >> I know. I was just letting you know that that's We've spoken with the police about that. >> called the judge and let him know he wants to drop >> I want to make sure you know before you say anything else I want to make sure you understand your rights, okay? >> Okay, yes, sir. >> So I'm just going to read this to you and tell me if you understand. >> Okay. >> All right, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in the court of law. Do you understand that, sir? You have the right to uh consult with a lawyer before answering questions and to have a lawyer with you during any questioning. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be provided for you free of cost if you desire one. So do you understand your rights? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> Hank, go on. >> So do you have any idea why we're here today? >> Well, they said that y'all got me on camera last night burglarizing the place. >> Okay. So you you >> And my husband. >> At first he denied knowing anything about the burglary. >> If that's the case, do you know anything about it? >> No. >> Okay. >> My husband and I stayed up last night till about 4:00 in the morning watching Nope. He's off work today. He works at G Pack. We started the movie a couple weeks ago, haven't had time to finish it. I personally think I have strep or something. I've been running a fever. My tongue is all swollen and sore and my mouth is red and white, so I'm letting y'all know that. Um I've laid up in there sick. I've been having diarrhea since all night. Um and like our kids went to school this morning. That was about it. I stood up on the balcony and said bye to the kids so they don't get sick at their school right now. I know my car was stolen yesterday. >> Well, let me let me tell you this, okay? So I I I haven't seen the video. I have not seen it. I'm not going to lie to you and say that I have. I'm I'm going to be able to see it. Uh the homeowner has the video. She's sending the the We got three detectives out on a on We're at the house right now that was burglarized, okay? >> Well, I don't even know anybody in Zachary County aside from my aunt. >> Well, the person that the person that that that owns the problem or I'm sorry, not problem. The person that owns the house identified either you or or him. I don't know which one. And and they said that that someone was uh >> I don't know if I'm sick or not. I don't know if I'm sick or not. I don't know if I'm sick or not. I don't know if I'm sick or not. I didn't get to make it to the doctor. >> They said someone was wearing a mask there like they might have been sick or something like that. So uh >> I mean so >> Anyways, they identified you guys, okay? >> Y'all can Y'all are more than welcome to check my whole entire house. >> listen real quick, okay? Cuz this you know, whether or not whether or not you did or didn't, I I just wanted to I just wanted to share some information from me to you, some knowledge, okay? I've done this for a while. You know, I've been a police officer for a minute, all right? And one lie always leads to a second lie. >> Second lie and >> And then a third lie and a fourth lie and it's going to make it look a of a lot worse, all right? >> Save me. >> And and it'll save embarrassment whenever I show the video or show the pictures and you're like, well, you know, what can I say to that because >> I'd love to see the video. >> Okay, I do too. >> Because I got three. My whole >> Well, I got a picture here. >> Can I see it? >> All right. In in time, yes. >> Cuz I would love to see it. >> Yeah, I mean, it looks Let me see again. There's three or four of them on there. There's the picture. And that's just one of the five that they sent us. There's no >> And they got video, too. >> And we got video. That's just a still shot from a video. >> let me see here. >> I mean, I really do not have a hat. I don't even have a What about the car? Where is the car that you're in there? I don't know. >> This isn't my This isn't my car. Somebody had stole it from me on Sunday night. >> How did you get it back then? >> Because I filed a police report and we found it over here. But I had three keys for this. And I had my One set of keys is in there. The other keys I'm pretty sure is in my somewhere. >> Okay, so listen. >> I have my second >> So so so listen. I just want you want you to know, okay? That there's more than just that picture, all right? 90% 90% of the burglaries or or break-ins that we work if we can make our victim, the person that was stolen from happy if we can get their stuff back that's going to make all the difference in the world, okay? So right now for you this is the key moment in what happens from here. We either get the stuff back or I think you know probably what's coming. >> You just go to the jail and sit and rot. >> You get the stuff back and go to jail and sit and rot. So 90% of the burglary Hey, I'm not bullshitting you, all right? >> I understand. >> This isn't my case, so I have no reason but listen to me and listen to how I'm telling you this. 90% of the burglaries that we work, if we can get the stuff back to the owner and make them happy, they're the victim. I'm not the victim. The state of Indiana is not the victim. The person that you took the stuff from is the victim. That's who we have to make happy. You don't have to make me happy. You don't have to make the prosecutor happy. You have to make them happy. They're the ones pursuing the charges. Yeah. If you would have done something possession of methamphetamine, the state of Indiana is the victim, okay? >> there? If I come up with stuff right now, you can call this lady up and say, "Hey, >> you know, he was honest. So, she don't press charges, it's good." >> I'm not I I can't speak for what the person will do, but I can tell you that in 90% of the cases that we work with burglaries, if we can make the victim happy, it's better for the suspect. And it's going to look a hell of a lot better for you if we get the stuff back. Okay, man. This is straight up between us, me and him and you. Just we get that stuff back. You know how good that's going to make you look? >> Wouldn't make me look very good. >> It's going to make you look a lot better if they don't because we already know who was in the house. And what do you think that he's going to say when we talk to him? You're first, man. You get the first opportunity. >> He was right here at home in the bed watching no >> Who We We have him on video, too. And then the pictures? >> How in the world did I kid say goodbye to us this morning? >> Because that was at like 5:00 or 5:30. >> Our kids get up at 6:00. And get off on the bus at 7:00. >> So, you're saying it wasn't him? >> No. >> It was somebody else, then. Because that person does have a mask on. Yep. >> But before long, he admitted his involvement and just kept talking. >> I just want another cigarette. I'll explain the whole thing, but it's ugly. Because that lady is the lady who told me to go get Her name is Marsha Baxter. And she asked me to get that because her husband, Harold Allen, passed away of unknown causes in December. >> Okay. >> And according to her, um her husband passed away because she needed that life insurance money. But she did not get that life insurance money cuz the policy was set to go to his brother. >> How old is the lady that you're talking about, Marsha Baxter? >> Um 50 50? 51? >> Does she live there? >> Yeah. In that house. She got it because whenever she married the man >> You know where that's at? >> She signed a free town, I reckon. She gave me an address. She said, "Hey, honey, I need you to go up in here. I need you to grab someone and go up in here." And she told me to meet this dude up there. >> Mhm. >> And I did. And I went over there. She wanted us to get rid of it and it's This woman has hated me for years. But I'm best friends with her daughter. >> Okay. What's her daughter's name? >> Okay. She don't live here. She lives out in New Mexico somewhere right now. Um because she told her mom she was not satisfied. I guess apparently Marsha asked Ashley if she could help her take care of her husband. And Ashley has a little baby that's mixed. And um pardon my French, she was going on and on about how I got Ashley's a lesbian. She's with a uh Puerto Rican woman. And Marsha was going on and on about she don't need to be with none of them and [ __ ] She just need to come home and live with me. And trust me, after Christmas I'll have enough money to take care of us all for the rest of our lives. That's how she is. So, she told me, and I already deleted all the messages like she asked me to. She said, "I'll give you $3,000. You can go to my house." Gave me the safe code. >> Marsha did or Ashley did? >> Yes, Marsha did. She said, "You can go down there, you can get this, and and I need it all taken somewhere, please, because his brothers is trying to get into my house, and they want to take me to court, and take all of his Harold's guns and everything." I said, "Marsha, I'm a felon. I cannot have guns. Right now, I'm sick as I'm really sick and was on my way to the doctor." Right now, and I I don't have no no messages. I don't have no proof of this. Guys, I'm sorry, I don't. I deleted it because I'm like sitting here like [ __ ] it. I have to choose between camping out my parents' garage, but you can pay me $3,000 to get your [ __ ] and move it down here, and I'm supposed to wait until her mom and dad get home. Uh Cuz they don't know nothing about it. They're old. They're like kind of getting >> That's Marsha's mom and daddy getting >> Yeah, that's Tracy. No, I'm white. So, they're getting kind of loopy, but so Marsha, when he got back home from Tennessee, was going to come over here cuz I told her, "Listen, [ __ ] I'm probably my French." >> No, you're fine. >> I said, "Listen, [ __ ] I'm not I got two kids. My husband is schizophrenic. My dad is running from the law. We got a lot of [ __ ] going on. I am not about to drive guns across this town. If you have the same [ __ ] so be it. I don't want no bullets and no loaded guns in my car. And she took everything apart, and she said everything exactly where it was supposed to go. And I got what I could get, and she told me to go on Monday night and Tuesday night. It sounds to me like she's setting me up real quick because she said she wanted it to be removed from the house Her exact words were, "I want this to be removed from the house before I get back from Tennessee and set up my cameras." Because I need to be able to tell his brothers that all these things were gone because they're mine, and I don't want them to try to fight me in court over it. Over an inherit You know what? Probate. >> all done [clears throat] through text. >> Yeah, from a text now number that she had had. >> Okay. And you don't have any text messages? >> No, because I deleted the the messages. >> Would she have the text messages on her phone possibly? She wouldn't have them? >> I'm sure she wouldn't cuz she told me, "Oh, make sure you delete all this stuff." >> He revealed that Marsha had been behind the burglary plan and had contacted him directly through text messages. He also said the messages had been deleted from his phone. If true, that could have been the end of the digital trail. But fortunately, detectives soon discovered that Marsha still had the messages on her own phone. And what began as a burglary investigation was about to reopen Harold Allen's death in a much darker way. As detectives dug deeper into the burglary messages and recovered phones, they began examining the relationship at the center of everything, the marriage between Marsha and Harold. Because what may have looked stable from the outside became very different once investigators started looking closer. According to case records and interviews, the marriage had been strained by ongoing tension. There were claims of arguments, distrust, and emotional conflict that had built over time. Ashley said that she had always suggested divorce as an option to Marsha, but she had denied every single time. >> I mean, we I mean, we we know what happened to Harold. We've We've got We've got evidence of that. Your mom came in yesterday. She told us a lot. We've got months and months and months of text messages from your mom's phone. And I mean, it's it's obvious that that, you know, something happened to him. And you know, to I mean basically now is your chance to tell us what you know about what what happened to Harold. Because I mean, like I said, these these text messages, the order the what where the stuff came from the the confirmation numbers. I think at some point she probably dragged you into something that you didn't want to be in or there was something to do with those demons or something, you know, with that, but uh we just we just want to know the truth. And I think you know the truth. >> There was definitely There was definitely ethylene glycol that was ordered and that came in >> and you don't want to I mean, it Do you What's your relation Is your relationship with your mom good? >> Yes and no. I kind of just put up with what she does. She's always tried to drag me into whatever she gets into and >> She's always tried to drag you into stuff, you see? >> Anytime I get any type of financial gain on my own or you know, like how I sold my house, she wants it. >> Well, you're young, Ashley. You're you're young. How old are you now? >> 29. >> You're only 29 years old and you got a 5-year-old daughter at home. >> I know it. >> You got a fiance that's I don't know how old she is, but she's got a young child as well. There's people out there that need you. >> I know. >> And I'm not sure that you understand me completely, but I mean, this is very important. I mean, cuz there's some damning stuff in in and I want you to be honest with me because that's probably the only only option and and it's the only way. >> If you know something if you know something now's the time to tell us. So we can >> I know she said she wanted out. And that's all. >> Like she just >> She had said, "Well, you can divorce him." And she said that she was going to divorce him. And then she started acting all weird, like you said about the demons and stuff. >> Okay. So, was there ever a time that she asked you to get her um foxglove? >> She asked me what it was, and I said, "That's not good. You I don't know what that is. You I don't think you can have that." >> What is foxglove? >> It's just um it's a plant that I think >> Why do you think she would ask you like she would Was she Do you think she was trying to bring you into that, too? That or try to >> I don't know. She was always asking me weird stuff. I'm like, "I know more than you. Look it up. I don't know. What do you want me to tell you?" >> So, the foxglove is you know, we had to look up a little bit and haven't researched it too much, but it seems to be that it's poisonous to animals and humans. So, you don't know anything at all about about her She never asked you to get her any or that she told you that she needed some. >> No. She did ask me for access to my bank and stuff and all that. And I'd hand her my phone all the time. >> Like to order stuff, you think? >> Yeah, cuz we would always do that. We would Well, I would share mine, and she never shared hers. >> You would share when you opened >> My bank information, my phone, my logins, all that. >> Okay. What about her phone? Did you use Is there ever any a time when you would have used her phone? >> No, she wouldn't let me use her phone. >> Did you Did you have normal access to her computers in the house? >> No. >> Okay. >> I would have to ask to borrow it, and she'd put her code in. >> Okay. >> Make me not look and stuff. >> Do you ever remember a time that she asked you to search on Google or she search an internet search on where to get ethylene glycol? And she asked you to do it for her so she didn't have that on her search history? >> Not ethylene glycol. The plants and stuff, but like I said all the time she'd say, "Let me get you home." >> And then was brought up did you figure out there was a place you could actually get foxglove? Like it's surprising to me, but it's a actually true. Is that true? >> I don't know about that one. >> Or like a maybe or >> She said that she could get all these plants. >> Okay. Um did she end up did she end up with foxglove? Did she ever order any foxglove? Was any foxglove ever delivered to >> were in the house, but I again give me my package. >> So she was talking about the plants. Okay, your mom. And she was talking about how when they came that she had to use gloves. Because you couldn't touch them, it would make you sick. You couldn't even touch them with your hands. So is that because it would make you sick or because if you touch the plants it would they would die? >> I'm not sure. >> Okay. Do you all remember her her saying anything even to you like hey make sure the girls don't go around this? >> No, every time I get a package she'd make me take it right to the back and say, "Don't get in my stuff." >> Okay. So the back to the ethylene glycol at the beginning. Like I said like we really want to hit on that because that's the probably the most important thing. And you know, I'm trying to you know, make understand your your part of that. So like whenever she she never asked you specifically about the words ethylene glycol. >> No. >> Okay. >> Like I said she said all the time can I use your phone to look something up which I thought was weird you got your own, but whatever. >> Okay. And did she ever send you a message um of like a screenshot of the of of something of that nature of like where it would be coming from? Like how much it cost and you know how when it would be at their house and stuff like that. Like you know, hey I need you to pick this up for me when it gets here and you're just like, okay and I'm not even realizing what it is. >> Not that I recall, but like I said all the time I was getting her mail for her. >> Okay. >> I'm picking up whatever she she asked >> Well, you know, I just don't want you to to have to like I said, you're young. You got kids. I mean you got a lot out here. You know, and I don't know what the relationship became with you and and your mother, but I mean it's it's something that that like I said, it's very important and sometimes you only get that one chance and it would be very foolish to not take that chance if you know and and we can start all the way over from the beginning and scratch all this other stuff because if you know then I mean that's that's going to be very beneficial. Because if if if you if we have to to go forward with everything that we do know and everything that we do have all these months and months and months of messages, it leaves us just one basically what we can ask. >> I mean the other sorry. The the text messages we have they don't look good. Okay. That's that's what we're getting at. >> They don't look good, but they could mean different things. But in the end, we know what happened, you know. But the text messages don't look good, but then there could be explanations for those messages like if you're not if you're not knowing, you know, what what's going on or whatever. So, that's one thing. But if you do know, then you know, that's that's really important. Because there's like I said, there's mountain a mountain. And I don't even mind at some point to show you these messages, just so you know I'm not >> Money quickly became another major focus. Life insurance benefits were reviewed as part of that investigation, and authorities also noted statements suggesting Marsha had discussed money soon after Harold's death. >> Did he have a life policy? >> He had uh one year's pay and then he had a $50,000 life insurance after that, and that was it. >> What like one year pay through where you worked? Was that >> Yeah, through work. >> Where do you Was it Isen? >> Isen. >> Okay. And then um and then that was the 50,000 also through the life insurance and that through Isen as well? Okay. I had actually heard uh that maybe Ashley, your your daughter Ashley, since there's two Ashleys. Like your daughter Ashley, I had actually heard that um she may have taken some of that money or stole some of that money. Do you Was that >> I don't have proof of that, but I had um taken Actually, I filed for disability cuz from the moment he died until February of my May, I couldn't quit crying. >> Mhm. >> Constantly cried. And then uh I took it out and put it in the safe. I had like maybe 15, 20,000 in there. Well, when I went back to put it back into my savings, I only had like three, maybe $4,000 left. >> And it was in the safe? >> It was in the safe. I didn't have cameras at the time, so I couldn't prove anything. >> But then one person, I think you told the detective at one point that knew that >> Ashley and my husband. >> Okay. Did you ever confront her about that or ask her about >> No, cuz I couldn't prove it. >> Okay. Do you think that's probably where she bought the car? >> Actually, I did mention it to her. I said Mommy, she She said maybe his family came over and went through things. I said his family doesn't have a key to the house or the combination. >> Was that shortly before Steven broke in? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, the money was missing then? >> she came back and I got her tags and the tags and title and >> Was Was the reason Was the reason for the cameras because the money went missing? >> No. >> Or just >> I never left my cats alone for that long before. And I had a bad feeling. I thought maybe one of my would have died or something and I felt bad if I didn't know about it. And I got him to keep an eye on my cats. >> Mhm. >> I didn't never in my life would have thought I would have caught anybody coming in the house. That shocked me. >> Especially somebody you know and >> I didn't know who it was and it scared me. I'm still scared. That's why I got the security surveillance cameras because every time I hear a noise, I jump. Every I look at all outside cameras before I even go outside to go to work cuz I don't want anybody to come out and jump at me. >> Right. Okay. >> To investigators, that timing mattered because while grieving families often discuss finances out of necessity, police believe some of these conversations raised larger questions about motive. Was this a marriage collapsing under pressure? Was there resentment building quietly behind closed doors? Or was someone already thinking about life after Harold before he had even died? But Harold's death wasn't about rage. It was about removing a problem. And if investigators were right, then what happened in December 2022 did not begin that week. It may have begun much earlier in plans that no one else could see. And if that was true, then the planning had started long before he died. >> How are you? Can you step out here for us real quick? >> Sure. >> How's it going, Marsha? >> I'm good. >> Hi, I'm Lieutenant I'm with the Sheriff's Department. We're here today cuz we got a search warrant for your house, okay, to go through some stuff. >> Okay. >> And uh so that's what they're here to do, the detectives, and um you can hang out with with uh me and one of the det- detectives while they do that, or and I you know, maybe I'm sure you got some questions on what's going on, so we'd like to explain some of that. Um but just letting you know what's going on, okay? >> Okay. So, living room? Is that what you asked? >> Um yeah, we can go to the living room first. Glenn, she wants to go to the living room right I guess or somewhere right now, or >> Okay. >> Um we'll do that and um maybe let them go through your wherever you got some clothes or pants or whatever you need to put on. Um then you can you can do that after they get through looking wherever wherever it is that those might be. >> Okay. >> Okay? >> Okay. >> Is there anyone else here? >> No, it's just me and my cats. >> Okay. Before anything, though, I want to make sure you understand your rights, okay? Then I can talk to you. I just before I just want you to know understand them because if I if I ask you any questions, I have to know that you understand your rights, okay? You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to consult with a lawyer before answering questions and have a lawyer with you during any questioning. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be provided for you free of cost if you desire Do you understand your rights? Okay. So, what was your question? >> I mean, what are you searching for? >> The The search warrant is um specifically mentions like uh electronic devices. >> As investigators continued reconstructing the days leading up to Harold Allen's death, one detail stood out above everything else. There were a series of online purchases made quietly and weeks before any emergency call was ever placed. >> Do you understand your Okay. So, um Here. >> No. Guys, no. >> You remember when I brought that up to you when we first started the burglary investigation? Okay, so that's what this is about. >> I did not kill him. >> Well, you remember talking to these guys about what's about Steven, right? And Steven was here and we had the video and all that. So, then whenever we arrested Steven >> He accused me >> He He accused you of it, okay? So, then all this other stuff that Steven says to us or whatever, you know, pans out, okay? Just to say it that way. He tells us who else was in the house. We figured that out. He told us Ashley gave him the code. That pans out. Everything pans out. So, we was like, if we don't look at least look at it. So, everything panned out. So, we wanted to look look into that. That's when Detective brought it up. And then he starts asking about your, you know, phone and stuff like that. You allow him to to do the download. And you know, that was another thing I wanted to bring up. This is some of the stuff that you deleted. >> They were pictures. >> Okay. >> Well, we got everything back. Well, I don't know about everything, but we got all the text messages back between you and Ashley. It's >> Well, yeah. And I deleted some pictures. >> There was more than just pictures on there though. There was also all the text messages between you and Ashley. Um there's text messages about ordering ethylene glycol. >> Huh? >> Did you Did you just delete the whole thing with Ashley? Is that how what you did? Just the whole thread? Like her Like between you and Ashley? You just deleted that whole thing and it had pictures and everything in it? >> Yeah, I would delete every message through it. >> Okay. And you told him that you did that. And that's I mean, you know, and that was just something we was wanting to kind of clear up with you like wanting to know like what all was on there that you deleted. Um just to make sure that the content we got is legit. >> how they get >> But yeah, it like he >> mentioned there was a bunch of stuff on there and we just, you know, wanting some confirmation and >> other words, casual conversations they're twisting trying to say I killed him. >> Casual conversations. >> under arrest right now. >> I know that. >> So yes, we we want to know. >> if they're saying that. >> Okay. So So and you know, I brought up the ethylene glycol. Do you know what I'm talking about at all? With the ethylene glycol, you ordered some ethylene glycol and it was actually delivered to this house on December 19th. It was addressed to you, but it was your middle name. So Wynn's your middle name, correct? >> Yeah, but I don't remember ordering anything like that. >> Okay. All right. Do you know anybody that did? Because that may be I mean that may be the case. >> I don't know. >> Okay. Well, so there was some ethylene >> glycol? >> It's the the what would be considered like It's It's the It's what would be in like the old style like antifreeze and stuff. Like is what the way I think of it. >> Okay. All right. Well, apparently there was some that was delivered to your house to this address and it was delivered the name on the package or whatever or the order was to Wynn Allen, which >> That was his first last name, too. >> So that's what the order was placed to and I believe the order Ashley's number was actually on that the package as well or something to where it was like the number associated with the order. I don't remember exactly without looking at it. >> I don't even know anymore. >> Okay. >> Have you talked to Ashley since he's been in jail? >> went. >> Me and her Me and Detective went out to Missouri. >> Mhm. >> And you know, so we went out there and and had her arrested for the burglary. >> The substance at the center of the investigation was ethylene glycol, a toxic chemical commonly found in antifreeze. In high enough concentrations, even a small amount around 100 ml can be fatal. It has no immediate violent appearance. There's no drama or struggle, just a substance that works silently inside the body. Records showed that on December 13th, 2022, >> [music] >> the chemical was ordered online. It was shipped the next day, December 14th, and delivered to the Allen home on December 19th. The order was placed under the name Lynn Allen, which investigators noted matched Marcia Allen's middle name. >> Well, I wasn't wanting to to really go into detail on the messages because I don't want to misquote them. You know, I don't want to misquote what I've read. You know, but uh like say something that is close to what the text message was, but not exactly like it would be if it were right in front of you. But, you know, I mean, there's just a lot of those text messages are are referring to you know, things that could harm him. And you know, like screenshots of pictures, like screenshot where you would screenshot a a picture on your phone of like the the uh the the tracking number. You know, that was and and I can't tell you for if if that was her or you. It didn't specify. Like, you know, which who took the screen It could have been her that sent it to you. >> number? >> Yeah, like it could have been Ashley that took the screenshot. So, it didn't specify to me seeing the screenshot of the picture. Like, if if if I take a screenshot and send it to you, >> She used to send me screenshots of stuff she ordered all the time. >> Okay. >> After Christmas, for household stuff. >> So, and and that's >> look at them. >> And that's kind of what it looked like is that she you know, there was just a screenshot of a of a tracking number. And then, you know, we look at the tracking number, and then it's and this is what it is. And then um >> I never looked at the tracking numbers that she sent me. And she's been doing that for years. >> And it you know, it just was There was a lot of concern on on that day um or between the day that it was ordered and the day that it arrived or the day that it arrived even on why it wasn't there as fast as it was because it was over paid for overnight. Like an overnight shipping, and then it had like a There was a screenshot of like how much this was and then how much was paid for the overnight. Like it was more to overnight it, but it was during the holiday season, so it was running late. And then the day that it got there, you know, there was like I said, I didn't want to quote the messages without because it could be I could be off a little bit, but like there was like there's a delivery, you know, or something like that. So, but you know, it is Christmas, there's a lot of deliveries. But it's also the same day >> But it was also the same day that that this was delivered. And then it goes right into the the the floats, you know, the root beer floats. >> We all had root beer floats. If that happened, we would all would have something done to us. >> And then it there was some concern with her maybe not wanting the small mini cans. Like like you maybe told her you had the the the root beer mini like the minis, you know, like the the kids would drink or a smaller can. There was some concern concern about it being the cans being too small, maybe you needed more like the 2 liters or the or the bigger cans. >> Yeah, we were talking about making root beer floats, and she wanted to make sure there's more root beer than there was ice cream. >> Okay. >> It wouldn't taste right. >> Okay. And you know, see that that you know, clears things up. I mean, like like I said, there's there's things that whenever we we get them to where we can show you that things like that that you might be able to just to to clear up that easy. But there's some on there that I, you know, I definitely think are worthy of >> I have some questions about them. >> And and you know about, you know, cuz like I said, what's she going to say? I mean, if she >> what she's going to say. Just like he's lying. >> I mean, if she did do something to hurt Harold, is she going to tell I mean, she's probably not going to tell me that, you know? >> Unlike most homicide cases, there was no visible weapon left behind in the traditional sense. Instead, detectives were looking at something far more controlled, something that could be introduced into food or drink without any force. As they reviewed digital evidence, investigators also found references to earlier discussions involving other toxic substances, including mentions of plants like foxglove and other poisoning ideas explored in messages. There were also conversations that pointed toward unusual food preparation, including references to a root beer float, which later became a key focus in the case theory. When taken together, everything from the timeline to the messages suggested that this was not a sudden act, but a carefully built plan unfolding over days. Someone wasn't looking for one chance. They were looking for a method that would never be noticed. And then, just one day after the final delivery, Harold Allen was dead. In the early stages of the investigation, Marsha Allen sat across from detectives in what appeared to be a routine interview following a sudden and unexplained death. Her demeanor was calm and cooperative. >> Marsha, this is the Here's your water. Here's your order information. So, it it was ordered through the place that was called LLC. >> What's that? >> Um it's some company that that's where the Black Hole was ordered from. So, the order source was PeachPay. So, it was paid through PeachPay. Do you have a PeachPay account or anything? >> I know what PeachPay is. >> Okay. Um that's >> PeachPay? >> That's I'm I'm assuming it's something like PayPal, something to that effect. You know, Apple Pay, something like that. I'd never actually heard of it before, so. >> I haven't either. >> Um says it was for $31.99 and says December 13th, 2022 at 12:09 p.m. >> I don't know what it is. >> And then here it shows paid on December 13th, 2022 at 6:09. You can look at it, too. I'm just trying to read it as I'm >> I still don't know what that is. >> What's that? What you pointing at? >> Okay. >> Yeah, I no. I have no idea. >> Okay. Yeah. But you see what I'm talking about where it says it's billing to Lynn Allen and that's your address, right? 30 All right. Says shipping and then your address again. The phone number that's associated with it. Is that actually his number? >> I don't know. >> Okay. >> I mean >> It's not your number, though. >> No, mine is uh >> Okay. And then all this other stuff on here just little order notes says ethylene glycol highly pure EG times one shipped via UPS on December 14th, 2022 with tracking number and it's got a tracking number on it. Order has been exported to ship station. Order status changed from pending payment to processing. So. All right. And we have you in here. There's your water. If you need to use the restroom, let us know. You're not under arrest. Um you've been read your rights. You still understand all your rights, correct? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um I'll go get some of that stuff printed it off. Maybe you can explain some of that to us. >> She answered questions without visible distress and at times seemed almost too composed to believe that she was simply helping investigators understand what had happened to her husband. Marsha denied any involvement in Harold Allen's death. She described the day he died as ordinary and insisted there was nothing unusual about their relationship that could explain what had occurred. The cops had an arrest warrant out for their house, so she agreed to cooperate fully, including consenting to a full extraction of her phone data. On the surface, she appeared willing to assist in every way possible. >> I'm sorry, but you know, I don't even >> Around Christmas time last year. So, when that was when that order was placed, it was probably placed by Ashley because Ashley's phone number on here. Um but to Lynn Allen would just ship it to your address. Someone paid for overnight shipping for it to get there and and this these messages were on the 14th of December. And it and the tracking numbers, you know, the shipping order was December 14th. That's also on here. Uh and this is not something we got from your messages. This is something that we had to to get elsewhere. But So, it shipped on the 14th, it arrives on the 19th. You guys have a conversation about that that item arriving, but never mention what it is, just that there's uh >> We had >> um >> At least 10 packages a day coming back then. >> I understand, but there was only one thing of ethylene glycol that came. >> Right, but >> So, there's a lot of packages that probably come. It's Christmas time. I get that. I mean, we do the same thing. I do I'd rather shop online than than go to a busy store. >> That's what I'm saying. >> But but I would remember a a thing of of ethylene glycol coming to my house if I got it. You know, if I'm the one that retrieved it. >> here this is on December 17th, okay? So, this would be What is it? December What day did Harold pass away on? >> The 20th. >> The 20th, okay. And this is from Ashley to you and she says, "Yeah." and "Zzzquil Zzzquil tabs." If you >> That's what I give the kids to go to sleep. >> Right. Right. And that's That's I gathered. She said, "We still doing slushies tonight lol I might get some new syrups like green apple I think has one later. You have the cherry and blue. >> I have a little slushy making machine. >> Right. And then And then you said to her, you said yes do we have everything we need? She says my shipping still says on the way and it's not here yet but it should deliver soon. They usually come around what time? You ask you say does it say out for delivery? This is still all the same. >> Okay. >> Um she says not yet. And then you guys kind of start what is marshmallow? I don't that's what you said. I don't >> Marshmallow is a little big pillow mushy things that >> And she and then Violet loved the cartoon and Yeah, you say something the kids nowadays are into. And then you get took a picture of their Santa I think. It says look who they found. And then you say so you you text back and forth about So she says some pillow toy I guess talking about marshmallow. >> Mhm. >> Then she says aha Santa. You say they come anytime between noon and 5:00 sometimes before noon. She says okie dokie nothing yet I'll let you know. You say okay. And she says still nothing with a little like a colon and a little smiling face or whatever. She said and it can't be with ice. I just saw that and thought some thought omg duh lol. You said what then? She said omg finally a wafer a few minutes he had to go potty. That's what you said. And then she said I just saw these then you're back to talking they have ZzzQuil. They have liquid ZzzQuil. ZzzQuil. I'm not sure what that is. Let's send picture. You say do you have a pickup time? No I was just going in. Okay just checking. >> Mhm. >> And then you're asking about the is this ZzzQuil okay? So I'm assuming that you're somewhere you're picking up ZzzQuil for the kid. Three bottles. So I think you got three bottles of ZzzQuil. >> Mhm. >> It says it's bulk. >> Oh what does it say? >> So, why I was asking about that was um when all these packages are coming, Christmas presents and and >> Most of the time when I was looking, they would pick they would get them and bring them in. >> Do you remember anything like like that coming? Anything like that? >> No. Cuz I never opened up anything. Other than if I knew exactly what it was for Christmas or I got a little toy out and I know where it came from. You wear the wrist thing and it goes up and down and you probably seen a commercial on it. A little car. >> Well, like when you when you move your >> You It's got a little wrist thing and the it's like a little remote control car, but you can move your wrist up, it'll go up. You move it sideways, it'll go sideways. Yeah. >> Okay. >> But what Marsha did not know was that investigators were already far ahead of those answers. By the time she was speaking, detectives had begun building a timeline of their own. Financial and digital records were already revealing a series of suspicious purchases linked to ethylene glycol, along with payment trails and delivery data that placed the substance directly at the Allen residence just days before Harold's death. The timing alone was enough to raise serious concerns. She thought she was clearing suspicion, when in reality, she was talking through evidence detectives already had. Then they opened the phones. When investigators finally completed the forensic extraction of Marsha Allen's phone, what they recovered was not just a handful of messages, it was a massive digital trail spanning thousands of texts, stretching across days, weeks, and critical moments leading up to Harold Allen's death. At first, the conversation seemed scattered with everyday communication, family discussions, and routine exchanges. But as detectives organized the timeline, patterns began to emerge, patterns that would completely reshape the investigation. The most significant messages were exchanged between Marsha and her daughter, Ashley Jones. Within those conversations, investigators found discussions that included references to poisoning methods, questions about substances that could cause harm without immediate detection, and repeated mentions of timing events around Harold's daily routine. So, Marsha wasn't acting alone. As the digital evidence deepened, investigators expanded their focus beyond Marsha Allen alone and into the people closest to her. One name that appeared repeatedly in the recovered messages was Ashley Jones, Marsha's daughter. At first, Ashley denied any involvement in what happened to Harold Allen. >> Said one of the things, just one, there's a lot of them. One of them is on December 13th, December 14th, around that time frame, ethylene glycol was ordered. And ethylene glycol is like a chemical. Um, I believe my understanding is they it's like an ingredient in antifreeze. Okay, so that stuff is ordered on December the 13th, like I said, it arrived at your mom's house on December 19th. It has, um, the mailing address. I believe it's the correct address out there, is that right? >> I think so. >> Okay. So, it has that mailing address on it. Um, it has a phone number on it that I believe is yours. What's your phone number? >> My phone number is that. Oh, god. 26 something. >> Okay. I believe it has that phone number on it. I can't remember the phone number off the top of my head, I'm I'm sorry. But, um, and then it's addressed to Lynn Allen. And Lynn is your mom's middle name, correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, that's who it's addressed to. And so, you know, another detective done a lot of work tracking all this stuff down. There's a tracking number that you text, I think you text it to your mom, if I remember correctly, and um that tracking number matches the same tracking number that he was our other detective was able to get of the ethylene glycol that arrived at the house on December 19th. Um information we received was that there was root beer floats that were made and that he the um the poison, which turned out to be ethylene glycol, um is put into the root beer float and that Harold drinks it and obviously the end result was that he died. >> What we'd really like to know, Ashley, is if you know that your mom did something that she probably really shouldn't have done. I mean, your mom told us quite a bit yesterday, so do you know that there do actually I mean, do you think your mom's capable of doing something like that? >> I don't know. >> Do you Has your mom ever, you know, tried to >> She doubts the depression, so I don't know. >> Has she ever tried to like throw you under the bus as far as like, you know, maybe I don't really know throwing you under the bus, but I mean, she Has she ever like ordered stuff using your Do you have like accounts where she could have access to ordering stuff? >> Yeah, I gave her my information, so, you know, in case anything happens, she's supposed to help take care of stuff like that. >> So, she could have used your account to order something? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> She described herself as being unaware of any planning or intent to cause harm and initially distanced herself from the most serious allegations. >> What was her and Harold's relationship like? >> I mean, it was all right. I mean, he cheated. >> That's I had heard that. And also, you know, going through the messages, it seemed like she just like maybe they went on maybe they went on a vacation or something or did they go to Tennessee like kind of right close to the time he died, maybe back in November, around Thanksgiving? >> I don't quite remember where they went, to be honest, where they went on >> But it she seemed like she wasn't very happy. Like maybe she was messaging you saying, you know, we you know, just she just wasn't very happy, you know, like with with him. Um so, it's raised a lot of concerns with us and um you were probably the best the person that knew what their relationship was like, you know, the more than anybody and and I just don't want I don't want you to have more more issues. So, if you know that she did something with your accounts or that she ordered something using your accounts or you think she's capable of this, I mean >> I don't know that she did, but I mean she's capable of whatever. She's very intelligent. >> How long did you live there? >> Let's see. I sold my house in Tennessee 5-6 months before we found something else that we could afford. >> And when was it that you moved out from your mom's? >> About February. >> In February? >> Yeah, I found that trailer over there. >> So, you moved in around what month would that been? About a little bit. It don't have to be exact day or anything. >> It was about August-September. >> August-September. Okay. So, you got you and when you moved in um is actually your wife or your fiance? You she's your fiance? >> Yeah. >> Um and then you have your daughter who's >> Yeah. >> And her daughter is You all four were living with your mom? >> Yeah. >> And >> They weren't going to but she asked us to cuz um she needed me to help her with some money. Usually whenever I sell something, she comes after me for a little bit. >> Mhm. >> But, her connection to the case became undeniable as investigators uncovered more communication between her and her mother. >> So, you moved in in August to help out with um finances kind of, right? >> Yeah, well, I was searching for or in in my range. >> Okay. All right. And um How How did Harold feel about you guys moving in? Was he cool with that or did he ever get kind of grumpy because of it or >> No, he was actually very nice about it. He loved the girls. He said, "I never got a chance to be a dad or a grandpa or anything." And we were eating that up. >> Okay. >> Like I said, we didn't talk much cuz I'm not very social, but you know, we would just you know, almost daily and I'd ask him about his day and >> Okay. Hey, this question may sound a little bit odd, but was uh but the Does your mom uh does she believe in like this like the uh demons and kind of stuff like that? Like any of the I guess that's what you'd call like a like maybe witchcraft stuff and who um Wiccan maybe? I'm not for sure if that's exactly what it is, but >> I don't I'm not sure. She She goes in random spells of talking about stuff like that, but I just I gave her a shoulder and then >> Mhm. >> I don't know what to do with it. >> We went into that a little bit yesterday with her and you know, she was talking about like some candles and stuff like that that she would burn to maybe like kind of cleanse the air and stuff like that, but like where I was going with that is like um was it ever mentioned or do you remember anything ever mentioned about Harold possibly having um some kind of demon or I I think it was referred to as it. Do you remember like >> Maybe maybe an attachment an attachment. >> She would say something about an it when it was when his moods would flip. >> And was >> Or that was pertaining to whenever he began to snippy with her. That was the it. You know? >> When you said his moods would flip, what do you mean by his moods flipping? Can you give like an example? >> She poked at him about his eating and stuff and he he'd just Marsha. >> Mhm. home. So, then do you think that maybe >> I thought it was normal, you know. >> If she if you think that your mom's capable of doing something like that, you think it's possible that she would only have done that actually thinking she was helping, like to get rid of whatever that was that was attacking him? Or you think that that's way out of out of line or whatever? Is that not even I mean cuz it seems like she's like she even talks about like it's it's mad, it's it's pissed, like it's attacking us. >> I thought she kind of did that to kind of dissociate from the man from the issue. >> And the man >> thought the issue was anyway. >> To the issue of >> him overeating and texting other women and things and how he'd snap at her and >> Okay. >> I thought that more was like just a like a metaphor. >> And there was some talk about like it or >> Go ahead. >> I'm sorry. It was too like that's not my Harold, that's it. I'm like, all right. Can I just be an open ear? >> And there was some talk about it like being pissed and potentially going after the the grandchildren which what's the other child's name? And I thought well, you know, maybe >> were having nightmares after the they heard her talking about it. >> So, I just thought that was a possibility you know, in the back of my mind is maybe she was maybe she actually >> think that stuff. I was just humoring her so she didn't you know get upset and she had somewhere to talk to. >> Mhm. >> And I didn't really know what to do with it. >> And but you don't >> want to make her think that she was crazy. >> But you don't remember anything about like her ordering anything like that. >> No. >> Or or maybe when you were at home like asking you to keep like looking for a package, maybe it was in a box and you could you didn't know what was in it. But like she was adamant like there's something coming is there a duplicate >> She would always have me get the mail and look for packages cuz she's always ordering stuff online. Through multiple ways. It's her thing. She loves online shopping. >> Was there ever a time that you remember about that time when the the day before he passed away or the day of that you remember having root beer floats? You don't remember anything about root beer floats or um >> No, uh whenever we tried to be whenever he got home we tried to be respectful since we were just, you know, renting a room. Give him the house. You can have the living room. We're not going to have the kids run around. You worked all day. So, we would do the normal schedule, put them to bed, and then go to our room. >> Is root beer floats even a common thing at the house like or is that just like totally >> they love them, but >> Who's they? >> Mom and him. >> Mom and uncle and Um can you kind of >> and slushies and stuff all the time. >> Can you kind of give us I know it's been a little time ago, but when Harold passed away, can you kind of give us um your timeline of events like, you know, how what did he just suddenly get sick or I mean, I my understanding is he was sick a little bit before that. I mean, just kind of give what you can remember about the day leading up to him passing away. >> Well, I know he was on and off sick all the time, but he had had um diarrhea and stayed home. And then it all just happened so fast and Mom was frantic and I was trying to pick up the pieces of Mom. >> Mhm. So, can you explain to me how how did you learn that he had passed? >> Her running to me. Oh my god. And I just went into shock and okay. >> Mhm. And so, take me a little further. So, she comes to you and tells you verbally tells you that and whatever she says, "Oh my god, Harold's >> Yeah. >> Did she say Harold's dead or Harold's >> He said he was cold. >> He's cold? >> was crying. >> And she was crying. So, and I'm assuming that she took you to where Harold was? >> Yes. >> So, can you tell us what you seen? >> I just found him laying on the floor. >> Okay. What was he Did he have clothes on? >> He had his boxers on. >> Okay. Do you know what he usually went to bed in? >> In his boxers. >> I bet that's what I was wondering. >> And then did you hear him fall or did he get on the floor or did you just That was the only time Did you Did you just saw him on the floor? >> I just saw him. >> Do you remember hearing him? >> I don't remember hearing nothing. >> Did he look like he'd been there a while or is he >> I honestly don't know. >> Okay. >> I'm not. >> Did anybody do CPR or anything you remember? >> Okay. When did she try it? What what point did I don't know I'm not for sure. Did your mom call 911? >> Yes. >> At what point did she like Did you guys Did she do CPR then call or did she call and then do CPR or kind of How did that come about? >> She called and then did CPR and I'm screaming, "How do you do it?" >> Okay. You were screaming at that while >> Only how do you do it? I told her while you called 911. On the phone told her to continue compressions or something. >> Okay. All right. >> Well, that makes more sense. You know, if running to you is that she had mentioned like she had told you about like text message and you were in the house where it's kind of like Why would you text somebody that >> No, she ran to the room. >> So, you don't like she didn't text you and say, you know, come here I need your help or anything like that. It was she ran in. >> Yeah. Nothing I recall her text me she she ran to me. >> I mean, that would seem >> And then it was panic and keep the kids in the room. They don't need to see that. They're too young. And it was awful. >> Connecting these to the earlier burglary reports, investigators realized that this might be significant suggesting that the simple burglary might also be an effort to access or control assets connected to the aftermath of Harold's death. So, what began as isolated pieces of evidence with messages, phone records, and a reported break-in was now starting to form a broader picture involving multiple people connected through family and trust. By this stage of the investigation, Marsha Allen was still speaking to detectives as if everything remained uncertain. Her tone suggested she believed the case was still open-ended. She continued to answer questions, maintain her version of events, and act as though investigators were still trying to piece things together. But, in reality, the investigation had already moved far beyond that point. Detectives were no longer searching for a direction, they were simply confirming it. They had already compiled a detailed timeline supported by poison purchase records, delivery confirmations placing ethylene glycol at the Allen residence, and digital messages recovered from multiple devices. At that point, the case had reached its turning point. The question was no longer about who was responsible, it was of how far the involvement extended, and who else might be tied to it. But, before charges could fully play out, everything changed. Just as the investigation was reaching the point of formal charges and courtroom proceedings, everything came to an abrupt and tragic stop. Marsha Allen suddenly committed a suicide before she could be prosecuted. >> Are you all done? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> You haven't got to talk to me yet, have you? >> No, sir. >> My name is Jesse. I'm a sergeant here in the detective's office. Okay? So, I'm here to talk to you about something completely different. >> Okay. >> Okay? It's not going to be an easy conversation. Okay. Um after your mom was here yesterday and spoke with us, we got a call to go check on her welfare um at her home, and she's passed away. >> What? >> She's she passed away. >> What happened? >> Without going into a lot of detail, >> Tell me what you can tell me. >> She it appeared that there was something ingested possibly um and passed away on her bed. >> And you're serious? >> I'm I'm 100% serious. Yes. >> Two doors down. >> That is what we >> you think you would like this week? >> That's what we believe happened, yes. >> [sighs] >> Oh god. I'm in shock. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. >> Please, there's nothing to apologize for. Um I felt it was necessary to let you know that. Um like I said, as of right now, we that is what we we believe happened. Um I can answer whatever questions you might have to the best of my ability, if you have any. >> Oh [clears throat] god. I'm not trying to be rude. I don't know. I just >> Trust me, you're You're not being rude or anything like that, okay? >> I'm trying to be I mean, jeez. >> I know it's it's a big thing. I I understand that. And you take all the time you need, okay? >> She didn't leave no note, no nothing. Did you couldn't tell me or >> There might have been >> my grandparents? >> Um there might have been a note that was left. I don't know exactly the contents of the note right now. So, I I don't know. >> You don't know anything about my grandparents, do you? >> They're aware. >> Oh god, no they're not. >> Um they're the ones that actually called our department because they were not able to get a hold of her. Um and requested we come out and do a welfare check. Um >> And she's And she's gone? >> Correct. And we were able to find her and she was in the house. Um like I said, she was on the bed. Um and passed away. >> Oh god, my brother. Sorry. >> I'm just in a little bit of shock. >> That's okay. We We spoke to her also about what we spoke to you today about as well. And she knew She knew everything that we had as well. >> You think that's why she did it? Or you all don't know? You said you don't know what got in their head. >> We will never probably know exactly why. But it's very high thoughts of them. >> Um I don't know what questions I would have. I just >> Here's the thing is you don't have to know right now. What you can do when you have some questions is request let one of the jail officers know that you would like to speak to us or you have a question concerning it and I will attempt to answer the absolute best that I can. Okay? >> Oh god. >> [snorts] >> Do you know that they that my grandparents know? Did you Do you have any idea how they are cuz my grandfather's >> Does he have some um medical >> medical issues and I was wondering like he gets depressed and goes lays in the yard and waits for with his old timers disease he's got. >> The Some of our other officers did speak with them yesterday. I did not speak with them personally. So I can't tell you exactly how they took it or or what kind of state they were in. >> Okay. >> Okay. But if anything was overly concerning, we would have tried to help address it at that point. And I don't know anything that that was. Okay? >> For detectives, the case did not disappear with her death. The evidence was already collected, but the opportunity for a full confession, explanation, or legal conclusion from Marsha herself was gone. She managed to avoid a verdict, but not what the evidence showed. >> [music] >> After the investigation collapsed into a full conspiracy case, Ashley Jones was arrested and formally charged based on her role in the communications and related actions uncovered by detectives. Facing overwhelming digital and testimonial she ultimately pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit murder and attempted murder. Her plea agreement reflected her involvement in both the planning and supporting elements that investigators tied to the broader case. As a result, she was sentenced to 50 years in prison. With Marsha Allen already dead before trial, Ashley was left as the only surviving defendant to face the justice system. One was gone, and the other was imprisoned. What shocked you most in this case? Was it the poison order, or the fact that it all unraveled through a completely separate burglary investigation? Let me know your thoughts.