On June 5th, 2025, in Greenfield, Wisconsin, officers executed a search warrant at a residence after receiving a tip from the app Kik regarding illegal and disturbing material being sent and viewed on their platform. >> Imagine they're sleeping on the way out. >> I think so. >> Oh, there is someone. >> Window. >> Oh, yeah. >> We got activity second level window. >> I hear somebody at the door. Someone's there. >> Hi. >> Good break. >> I'm the detective sergeant of the Greenfield Police Department. Do you mind if we step and talk with you real quick? Thank you. Oh, is your dog friendly? >> Yeah. Sorry. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, two dogs. >> Yeah. >> Who's Who's Who's Do you Is she sleeping? >> Yeah. >> Or not? Not for long, it sounds like. Just with the dogs. Um >> Do you want to let the dogs out? >> Yeah. >> There's a Do you want her to go out to the bathroom? >> Who? >> Yeah, that would be great. >> Yeah. >> If you want [clears throat] to come down here and do that, and she we can talk to you and she can come down. And do you have a Do you have a place you want to put the dogs down here? Is there Is there a bathroom downstairs or >> No, we'll put them up here. >> Okay. >> Come on, kids. They want to talk to They want to talk to both of us. The cops are here. >> Yeah, that's fine. Do you want to go downstairs while he does that and that way Harry can just shut the Okay. Come on. Hey. Spencer. Come here. Yeah, they're not Look at my dogs. Come on. Hey Spence. Come on. I don't think he's coming up. Come [snorts] on. Um Well, do you have a place that we could talk that way? I think maybe uh Rocco talk to your to your wife, but do you have a place you wanted >> You can sit here. >> All right, that works. >> Did I come across rude? >> I don't know. I thought so. That works. Um Let's do this up here. Um So the The reason that we're out here is our department is investigating an ICAC tip. I don't know if you're aware what that is, but um the gist of it is it's uh Internet Crimes Against Children uh tip. And the way it works is basically um like online company every company that operates in the US basically they are obligated by law that if certain things happen. So whether you're using like Facebook or Snapchat or you know, any any type of like um any type of uh platform on the internet that you're using, basically they're obligated that they have like giant master lists of things and when certain things are either said or certain things are sent or done or uploaded or downloaded, basically um it triggers a response from them and then they are mandated to reach out to law enforcement. >> Uh-huh. >> Um, and basically what we're doing is investigating there was a uh, and then how they backtrack that is and ultimately wherever that, let's say, hypothetically it's a Facebook account. Um, that Facebook account, um, they can tell anytime you connect to the internet, whether whether I'm walking down the street using my phone or if you're at home on a computer, a laptop, or if you're at a friend's house or whatever, wherever you're using the internet, um, everything is like logged and they can backtrack. And so, that's the reason that we're here is just that this tip originated from your uh, like your your service, which I think is Is it AT&T or is it Spectrum or what do you guys use for your internet? >> is AT&T. >> Okay. Um, and and so basically that's the reason that we're here. Um, right now we do have, and this is how we do this with every uh, with all of these, we do have a search warrant, um, and I'll give you a copy of that here. Basically, um, we're hoping, uh, like I said, approximate uh, talked to your wife. I'm going to talk to you and, you know, I've done quite a few >> [snorts] >> Apparently we acted that. >> Hey. >> Um, and basically we'll try and do this obviously as, you know, discreetly as possible. You know, we're not trying to make a huge deal of it, but um, this occurred over um, the 25th occurred on Christmas the in the Christmas of 2024. So, this last year. Um, >> Christmas? >> Yeah. Um, and again, so but basically for me to be able to talk to you and, um, I have to still read you your rights and stuff like that cuz I can't ask you any questions cuz again, I I is it a possibility, you know, like people use other people's Wi-Fi and like you know what how it is like we're basically trying to kind of backtrack this to figure out what's all going on. But with that like I said I do have to like to before me to like question anybody or ask any questions of anything I can't do that without reading your rights. So you mind if I do that real quick? Okay. Uh you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to consult with a lawyer before questioning and have a lawyer present with you during questioning. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer one will be appointed to represent you at public expense before during any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present you have the right to stop the questioning and remain silent at any time you wish. Uh and the right to ask for and have a lawyer at any time you wish including during questioning. Do you understand each of those rights? Okay. Um and again like I can't really explain much more than I can and I can't really like I said uh fortunately in situations like these I I can't go into much other detail unless I'm asking you questions about stuff um cuz again there's been times when we've had that these are misunderstandings or you know I understand it it was over the holidays you there could be a possibility that people were you know here at the house that we're doing something that they shouldn't have but um >> Did somebody attack them? >> I I don't know. Uh it like but basically we're in the with understanding you said you understand your rights do you mind just answering questions or we can do you mind talking about what just so I can hopefully we can kind of figure this out. Cuz cuz what what the warrant entails and I can I mean that's your copy that you can keep and read but basically the gist of it is and how I conduct these is basically uh we'll collect uh all the devices in the house uh to get a search warrant for to search all the devices uh because again we have to go with what we have. So if it go if something leads to a house, you know, then we have to figure out, you know, what devices and then maybe what persons or people are responsible for whatever it is. And I can just kind of explain how I do this typically, which is basically I'll give peop- people like an opportunity and and this is only if they're involved, like I said, if it turns out to be it's some other thing, it's some other thing. Um like you said, if if someone, you know, came over and used your Wi-Fi or, you know, a neighbor is using your Wi-Fi or someone hacked your account or something like that. But if people are involved in something, um basically I like to give them an opportunity to be honest about it because there's a big difference with stuff like this. It's kind of like being a like let's say like an alcoholic. People don't realize that yeah, you can choose your behavior, but there's still that drive in a person that makes it difficult and, you know, someone that maybe is an alcoholic can at least choose how they react to that. They can admit like they have an issue or, you know, if you've ever known anyone that's an alcoholic that is like, "No, I don't have a problem." And I mean it keeps that self-destructive behavior. And obviously, like at least me personally, I like to treat people like the people that know that it's an issue, at least that's someone we can kind of work with. And what would happen in those cases is if someone's open and honest about like what's going on, like I said, we still have to collect all the devices. Um they're all, you know, honest about what's going on. Um like I said, I'm not trying to make a big deal out of any of what it is. I don't judge the things that people tell me cuz again, it's kind of like being like homosexual or, you know, if you have attraction to you know, girls with big asses and big boobs. You don't get to pick what you're into. Like you can't change that in your head. Like it's just part of who you are. Um so I like I said, there's no real judgment with that, but like I said, people that are at least honest with it, um you know, we can treat them as such. Like, "Hey, I know this is an issue." And so basically if if if that is something that's the case, we'll talk about it. Um we would talk about, you know where they you know what they did or where they find these things. Make sure that there's nothing actually going on with like real kids so to speak. >> Right. >> Cuz obviously that's like a big difference too is that you know it's a big difference between me going home and looking at you know versus me going out and you know having sex with 50 women a night you know my my wife would be pissed at you know wives would be pissed at stuff like that or girlfriend or whatever. So there's a big difference between that stuff too. So you know we'll still go back we'll search the devices and basically I mean I can just say historically speaking like you know the way devices work and I don't know how familiar you are with computers but no matter how much like and we've tested this with our own phones and stuff like that you know we can delete things but computers you know never truly get rid of everything even when I'm deleting stuff you know if I delete contact numbers in my phone and what not or pictures or videos like there's still sometimes ways to reflect there's pieces of those things left in a phone which the forensic people find so like I said people that are honest about like yep something might be in a certain device. Okay. What what we'll do is we would set up a time in the future just to come in get a booking and then they would get a court date and that's it like nobody has to go to jail or anything like that. Do you do you have questions about the kind of what I just described? >> No. >> Okay. Um So how this basically like I said this this started with a a thing over Kick Messenger. Are you familiar with Kick Messenger? >> I've heard of it yes. >> Okay. It's like a messaging app. Do you use it at all or have you ever used it? >> No. >> Okay. Do you know of anyone in the the household that uses it? >> Nope. It's just me and the wife. >> Okay. Um and since we're talking about Christmas again I know a lot of people like traveling >> We've had problems before with the servers. >> Okay. >> Weird logins. >> Okay. What do you mean? Like >> Like stuff that comes up on our stuff. Devices that weren't from us. >> Okay. Um was it a Was specific devices that you're >> I think it's mostly the handheld. >> You mean like tablets? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um >> [snorts] >> I guess that's a good question too. Like what kind of devices do you guys have in the house? Do you guys each have cell phones? >> Yeah. That's our only means of communication. >> Okay. I know everyone got rid of even we got rid of our our house phone. Um so it's just And your wife's name is Um so she has a cell phone? >> Yeah. Both do. >> Do you have access to her phone? Do you know what like her Like Like could you get into her phone? Does she keep it locked and stuff like that? >> Yeah. >> Do you know what her password is? >> Uh yes. Same as mine. >> What's that? >> Wait. Our fingerprints are on the phone. And the password >> Okay. So hers is the same as yours. Okay. And you have a cell phone you said? Yeah. Okay. Um And Uh like I see two tablets here. Are Is one belong to one of you and one belong to the other? Which Whose is Who is here? >> red. Hers is the other. >> Okay. Um And do those have like passwords or thumb prints or what do What do you do for those? >> Those are the same. >> Same thing. Uh uh That's That's what everyone does. It's like if you didn't do that, I mean, you imagine how many passwords you'd have. It'd be like a million. Um And And the other ones are the black. Any other devices that you guys have in the house? >> No, we both have laptops. >> Okay. Um Where do you guys keep those? >> They're upstairs in cases. >> Okay. >> Bedroom. >> Is there I mean do they look the same or is there like a easy way to determine whose which one belongs to? >> Actually they are my I got them named on the bottom both. >> Oh like you have your names on them or something? Okay. Um same thing on those do they just open up or do they have like passwords and stuff to get into those as well? >> Okay. Is it the same thing or something different? >> I think [snorts] you can get into both with the password. >> Okay. So the you think both of the like your wife's too you think is the same thing? Okay. Um Anything else other than laptops, tablets? >> phones. >> Okay. Uh >> Desktop in here too. >> Okay. What about the >> Desktop. >> Desktop. Um Is that like somebody I don't know if you guys are working Okay. Okay. So everybody uses that one. >> Yeah. >> Uh or both I shouldn't say everyone. >> else's so. >> Okay. Gotcha. All right. That was going to be my next question just like if everyone like does occasionally and I know how it is like everyone kind of shares devices sometimes. Does Does your wife use your laptop at all and do you use hers? >> rarely use the laptops. >> Okay. >> That's more for like backup pictures. >> Gotcha. What about the tablets and stuff like that? Like everyone do you guys use each others? >> Yeps. >> Okay. Um any other devices that you can think of in the house? >> No. >> Okay. And you said that you have never used >> some old ones sitting around somewhere. >> Okay. Do you know the last time that you would have used one of those maybe or anyone that you're aware of? >> Years ago. >> Okay. Like these are the kind of replacements. >> Replacements, yeah. >> Gotcha. Um let's see. As far as Uh you said you don't use Kik. Do you know if your wife uses Kik at all? Okay. What about um as far as like Christmas, like I said this so this is occurred around Christmas. Were you guys traveling during Christmas? Was there people here or where was where was everybody like where where would you guys do for Christmas? >> My sister in law. >> Okay. What's her name? So that's your wife's sister. >> Yep. >> When was that like what did that look like? I mean where did she live like she live Wait wait wait wait. >> Christmas we went to No actually we went to my brother-in-law. Sorry. She was there. >> Okay. And how late did you guys stay there? >> We were probably there till early afternoon like 1:00 2:00. >> 1:00 2:00. >> Can't say exact. >> Okay. >> know exactly. >> I mean if you ask me what I did 2 days ago I don't know if I would be able to recall. Did you ever did anyone have like come over to the house during that period of time like over Christmas or was it just you guys or Okay. So no one else. When's the last time anyone else has lived in the house like other than you? I mean I know you have a I take it your daughters are both like grown up. >> They're both married or >> Yeah it's As long as they've been married over 10 years. >> Okay. Haven't had any like anybody that stayed for even short periods of time that um you know like even would have stayed for like a week or anything like traveling from out of town or anything like that like relatives or friends and nothing. Okay. As far as like what emails that you guys use what email accounts do you have like a a single email or do you have a bunch of them or >> three of them. >> Okay. That you use or is it kind of like okay which one >> One is my wife but I got access to it. >> Okay. >> She very rarely uses it. It's just >> Okay. She has it in case you need to sign up for something or You did mention um that you've had like issues with things popping up on I guess on your uh like devices. Which which devices have you had issues with or which have you noticed like strange stuff on your >> Strange stuff that's private on the tablets and the phones. >> Okay. Like both you and your wife's? >> Yeah. >> And both tablets you're saying? >> Yeah. Seems like somebody I don't know, trying to get in to it or something like that. I don't know how to describe it. >> Um when's the last time that that's happened? >> Not recently. I'd have to say at the end of last year sometime. >> Okay. So and what exactly like what exactly occurred that you were like, "Hey, this doesn't look right."? >> It locked up. It just acted weird. Nothing that we took notes of or anything. It just like it acted weird. >> Okay. Um like like what? Like what is it doing just so I can kind of get an a taste of what >> Like I said, it only happened like a couple of times and stuff. Not something I paid really much attention to. You know how stuff happens. It'll lock up. And you can't get into something. >> Is that one of the things that was happening? Like it would just like freeze up or lock up? All right. Um anything else other than locking up that's happened with them? >> No. >> Okay. Um I know you said earlier something about like stuff would pop up. I mean, was thing were things popping up or happening on your >> No, it's like I had a harder time getting access to it. Like it freezes up. >> Okay. Like Like it was running slower, you're saying? Like harder to accessing? Like was it a specific app or was it just the device itself? >> itself. >> Okay. As far you've never seen anything on any of Have you ever seen anything on your devices that you're like, that doesn't belong or no one You've never No one ever Nothing showed up on your devices that you're like, I don't know how this got here or anything like that. >> Weird ads have popped up. >> Okay. Uh like when you're doing what? >> Just Like I said, you you play a lot of games on there. >> Okay. >> So, that's happened. And the usual weird ads that pop up that >> Okay. >> Where the hell did that come from? Since you never get into it. >> The games that you're the games that are playing I that when you guys are playing, are those just like free games that you download and stuff like that? Okay. >> And that is typically a normal thing. Like that's how they make their money, you know? Like they It's a way to advertise to people at the same time and then so on. Um okay. Anything else that you guys think of? >> Nope. >> All right. I guess Here's Here's kind of my concern and again, I'm not trying to put you on the spot and I'm not even trying to really do anything um you know, to create a situation between you and your wife, but um you know, unless typically if we have a situation where you know, something is occurring um you know, usually there'll be some kind of explanation for it. Um and like I said, I guess I'm I'm very I'm very worried, I guess, um you know, that you know, I get right now you know, nobody likes to I guess have these conversations, especially you know, with basically strangers that show up at their house at, you know, 5:00 a.m. Um But, my concern is that, you know, going forward, if we do end up finding things that maybe someone thought, like, let's for instance, like, when we find that someone deleted a a Kik app or something in the recent, you know, like, back in December, like, that's obviously going to I imagine would throw up red flags, right? What do you think that would indicate though if we would find, let's say, a Kik app on the device? >> Well, I did look see what it was like. >> Okay. So, you have Okay. So, you have used Kik in the past. >> First I know. >> Well, what do you mean like? >> Well, I've No, I looked. Done the search Kik app and >> Yeah, but I mean, I there's a big difference between just searching Kik and cuz like I said, I mean, I'll be perfectly honest, like, everyone thinks the the internet is very anonymous and it feels very anonymous and it's so vast and so big that um but there are like things that very much you know, are in a lot of these places, like, you can use Google, you can use all these free, you know, free games, free everything. Um but the trade-off with using all these free services is like, you know as well as I do, nothing in life is free. The way that they make money is they take and record and collect everything from us. Like, if you would look through my phone, you know, I would be able to tell everything I've done in the last like since I've had this thing. I mean, it it Same with my internet activity. You know, every time someone accesses from certain points in time, you know, we can it it never it they they keep track of all these things. So, there's like when they look through the phones and stuff like that, they can find, you know, not only what was on there, but like, that includes apps. So, if someone downloads an app and I guess my worry is if we you know, you're looking at Kik. I'll be perfectly honest, not a ton of people use Kik just because it's a very it's kind of a user specific type of app. There's a million messaging apps out there. You know, WhatsApp, Signal are probably kind of the two more popular ones right now. With Discord, you could say is one of the more popular ones. Um and but Kik is very much one of those apps that is popular, but it's popular for a kind of a certain thing. Uh and again, I'm not trying to put you on the spot, and I'm not trying to like embarrass you. And again, I'm like what we say between you and I doesn't have to be what I would like, you know, I don't care what you tell anyone else, but I I still am concerned that when we look, we're going to find that Kik was probably downloaded cuz we can tell the difference between that. Like if it's on the >> Did I download it and that stuff, but I didn't >> So, you did download the the app. >> Right, but I never made an account on it. >> Well, and see how we're baby stepping. I don't mind doing it cuz like I said, I I don't I'm not trying I know these are difficult conversations, but and obviously, you've never been in trouble. Obviously, you know, a good person. You've built a life and everything like that, but I don't want small things to I don't want your fear, I guess, of what may happen, you know, to affect, I guess, how things go moving forward. >> Mhm. >> Cuz again, if you've downloaded Kik app, I I mean, if it's been accessed at all by even if you've made up fake email accounts. Like I said, all those things are going to have like fingerprints in your phone. Even though they've been long deleted and haven't been used in months. Like those are things that we will see um when we look through these devices. And again, I don't want to have a situation where we're >> I could create one, but I can't So, and let me just cuz one of the other things that we did is um you know kick we can also go back and look at all the conversations and everything that are occurring um look at the accounts that were accessed the things that are all saying. I mean let's just put it this way I've never had a case of anything even remotely like that. I mean that's kind of something that happens in the movies I guess. Um but with the way things are set up now um things are very I guess secure because if people really let's say if someone does want to do something that they shouldn't be doing you know and let's say they even would have some kind of way way super super ability to do things like that to crack into people's things and do stuff like that. Um I mean if you have that kind of ability you don't need to even do that to access what you would need to access because there's ways of doing that that are like really easy like like could I you know could I do it in a way that would not you know throw off any flags to me without having to go through the trouble of doing certain things yeah for sure. Um so is is that like a real realistic thing that not really. I mean unless you have somebody that hates your guts and absolutely despises you and is trying to get you to people in trouble. I mean that could be a thing but again it would require someone of an enormous amount of know-how and intelligence. Um so like I said I and I don't because I said I'm not trying to to be kind of be very matter-of-fact and up front with you and I'm trying to kind of treat you with respect and dignity and like I said I'm not being judgmental. And again, I've already explained that even if even if let's say someone would be perfectly honest and be like, "Listen, this is kind of what's happening and how it's done." It's we're still nobody's nobody would get arrested right now. We would go that we would still do what we normally would do. But again, then at least I can make a case to my bosses that like, "Listen." And we've done this many times where people are up front and honest. They're like, "Listen, I know I shouldn't have been doing this. I did make a mistake. You know, I knew better. Kind of felt tempted felt the temptation type of thing. That's something we can work with where again, it doesn't have to be a big a bigger thing. Like it would literally be like, "Okay, come in for half hour, get a booking, walk out the door, and you'd have a little simple paper with a court date." Um versus the alternative which like I said, you know, I can't really make an argument to not arrest and bring people down to jail if I think that something more is happening. And like I said, I try and give people cuz again, especially people that have never been in trouble which is a majority of the people I deal with have like a zero criminal history, have you know, have jobs, have are have families that are outstanding you know, people. Like this is one of those things kind of like anything else but kind of like certain forms of addiction or alcoholism. It's not it can be anyone. You know what I'm saying? And it's not necessarily a conscious that like, "This is what I want to do." It's it's part of like I said, it's kind of part of who who we are. It's one of those things that's kind of built in that we don't get to turn it off turn on and off. We can kind of try and avoid. But like I said, I I am very much getting the sense that's the case with this and I don't like I said, I don't want to kind of end up at a down the road where, you know, something like that is happening when it really doesn't need to occur that way. >> And if it if you would make it easier, we can have her wife go upstairs or if you want to go outside and talk. I I don't really care. I I'm just Like I said, I understand the position you're in and I very much appreciate it. So, if there's a place did have tried making chance with people. Okay. Um is there I know I didn't use my name, but as far as what the other one was, I can't Okay. Um You said you don't remember what you had used. Like what what what like I know you can make up like usernames. >> Right. >> Okay. Can't recall what they were. >> Can't recall what that was. >> Okay. >> There was a few that I tried doing chats with people and stuff. >> Okay. >> So, that was make believe. >> Okay. >> It always was make believe. >> Okay. And I can appreciate that as well cuz again, you know, that's one of those things where I get that. >> as pictures I didn't do anything. >> Okay. Um >> If there was any pictures, I didn't >> Well, yeah. Why don't we I got you. >> do anything. I just get pictures to send pictures. Somebody did that. It was without my knowledge. >> Okay. Um As far as Would it help if we have upstairs? Okay. Let me see. Brock, I got a question for you real quick. >> Oh, yeah. What's up? >> Yeah, I'll I'll actually kick Brock and see where we're at. >> Perfect. Okay. Yeah, like I said, I'm not I'm not trying to And again, what you and I share, talk to you, what you want to do. Like I said, it's not my business to Like I said, when we don't when I don't have all the answers, let's say, if I if I don't have all the answers, I got to keep digging until I find them, obviously, but like I said, >> Make-believe chats on there. >> Okay. What What kind of things are we talking about? Like what And again, there's no judgment here. I know we can't get to pick and I say and I guarantee whatever you say is is going to pale in comparison with what I've many times heard before. So, that's one thing I've kind of learned then. >> Remember it's make-believe and that was the motive with the girl. >> Okay. >> Girl. >> Okay. >> It's just fantasy sex. >> Okay. Um are we talking So, do you have like names or something? Just so I can cuz again, if >> Holly. >> Okay. Um >> And Mary. >> Okay. Would be who? >> Holly would be the mom and Mary would be the daughter. >> Okay. Um And are we talking about we're we're speaking with people that Uh are we talking about using the app to do have these conversations? The The Kik. Okay. Um do you know any of the people in real life at all? Okay. When when you find people on the app to chat with, how do you Um and I how do you how do you find the people that are open to whatever you might be into kind of thing? >> Search, [snorts] I guess. >> Okay. Does it Are there like Do you find like rooms or Is it off of like website stuff or How How do you kind of find cuz let's I mean, let's be honest, you and I both know like there's a lot of you can name a niche for anything, right? Um is there Is there stuff like that? like you can like purposely like kind of find like search out? >> It was just an app and you >> Okay. >> And now I'm not with safe fetishes. >> Okay. And just just so I understand and again like I said I I kind of already do but I just want to make sure we're talking about the same one um as far as like the fetish or the fantasy that we'd be talking about what what would that be? Like what would be If you had >> Talk mother daughter. >> Okay. Um And was there ever like Was there any Was there anyone else I guess other than you that would have been kind of using this like you're It's not like something you and your wife do together. Okay. I just want to And she's not obviously aware of any of Okay. Um is there anyone else that you know of like personally that is kind of into the same type of thing or Okay. Um Okay. Can you think of any maybe conversations? And again I'm not too worried about like you know, mother-daughter stuff. But is there any other things that you think like maybe during those chats that would have like flagged or flagged the attention of you know, the internet so to speak I guess. >> Uh Who met who mentioned that differences in age. >> Okay. >> Other than that. >> Okay. >> And like I said like the fantasy >> Okay. Is I wish I had printed out the whole Well, yeah, I don't I think I got some of these here. All right. I don't know if you can see that. Does that Does that look like a username? >> be it. >> Okay. All right. So that'll be the the the username that Okay. Um >> Well, like I haven't done that. >> Okay. How How long How long were you using that? Like like roughly estimate. I mean if you had >> Two to three months. >> Okay. When do you think you had like >> End of last year was. >> Okay. >> That's what you're getting at. >> Yeah, yeah. I'm just trying to figure out like roughly would you say like two to three months? Um would that be like what? Are we talking like >> October December. >> Okay. How did you I guess how did you like have you used Kik before for anything else? >> No. >> Um have you used any other cuz again there are a million out there. >> want to remember I think somebody suggested it. >> Okay. >> chatting with. >> Okay. Used it to use Kik. Um what have you used any other types of apps? Like WhatsApp, Signal. I mean like cuz I can I can name a million. Um what's the other big one? I'm going to forget there's so many but >> really chat. >> Okay. When you were >> is >> Okay. >> In person. >> Um when you were talking when the person that like suggested this to you, where like who were was it something online? Was it someone in real life or >> Online. >> Okay. Do you remember where you're where you communicated with that person online? >> No. >> Okay. >> Honestly, no. >> Okay. Um when when you're doing that do you do you recall which like what devices you would use to do and to use Kik uh or is it a multiple? >> It was probably the tablet. >> Uh which one? >> Red one. >> Red one? Okay. Any others that you would have used with it? Okay. Not like it wouldn't be out >> the phone once. >> Okay. >> But that's hard to repeat. >> Which >> Uh >> I don't know whose phone was it is this that's your phone? Okay. Uh so maybe phone, maybe tablet, nothing on desktop. Okay. And and here's the other [clears throat] reason I'm trying to I'd like to try and get all your stuff back to you as quickly as possible cuz obviously like you had mentioned um not having like a phone. Um like I said, I'd like to try and get this stuff uh quickly. The other the other thing is um like any cuz it again one of the things that they did like I said I I did contact Kick um after they sent cuz kind of this thing. Um and I can show you the two images. Um the way that they they can actually I can even show you here. So, one of the things is they specifically like you know, the other thing obviously these companies cuz they're always collecting information for you. Like everything that I do or they do or I mean it is all literally down to the seconds and where it comes from and everything else. Um so, some of the things that flagged the attention of you know, Kick basically um they know it was uploaded meaning that um you know, upload download some people use those terms interchangeably but like if I download something from the internet that means like let's say I'm using my computer or my phone. I want to download something on my phone that means it's it doesn't exist right now on my phone but I want it. So, you know, I'll go wherever it is, I'll download it from somewhere. Like I'll download it from a friend. So, what happens then is that let's say I get a picture from a friend that they sent me. What they're doing is uploading something to the internet meaning they are being the sender and I'm downloading it. And vice versa, if I send something I am now uploading a picture and I'm going to send it to my friend. They are going to download it from me. Um so, like I said, there were there were a couple of things that were uploaded from that account. Um and that's what like flagged the whole thing. And again, I'm not I'm not here to judge and I'm not here to like I'm just I Number one, my my big thing is like want to make sure the images, and I don't think this is the case, but I do have to ask. I got to make sure the images aren't something that like someone collected personally. You know what I'm saying? Cuz again, giant difference between someone that is like all day long I can go on the internet and view porn. Um, but that doesn't mean I'm at home in my basement creating the Right? And obviously, if we're talking about like children, that's a that's a huge difference. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's a huge a huge difference. So, I just I do make sure that it's one thing that I'm people are looking at something versus creating. Um, you've never And so, if someone is uploading something, you know, you got to backtrack it. So, if someone's uploading it, that means they have the picture. You've never maybe ever engaged in any activity of any kind with any child. Okay. Um, is it all Is it only like kind of fantasy type things? Okay. Um, and you've never like observed any real life, you know, recording or people recording or creating that kind of content or activity with children. Okay. Um, like I said, that's I have to ask those questions. I don't think that's the case for these, but um, is it possible that you may have had a certain images that would have shown children that maybe, you know, during the course of this fantasy chat that you would have like shared with other people as part of this whole >> I don't remember getting any. >> Okay. Um, but is it possible that you like when you're having these like chats with people >> It's possible somebody sent something to me yesterday. >> Okay. Okay. Like like as far as like people exchanging photographs and stuff like that. Um it like like I said I I know for a fact that you had uploaded it, meaning I know you had sent it to other people cuz that's that's what triggers it. Like the the internet kind of ignores downloading the stuff because, you know, like you said, sometimes I can be bumming around I can be looking around the internet doing various things and I can download something. Let's say if I click on something and it's like, "Yeah, I want to know what the Brewers schedule is today." I click on it, downloads to my phone. I don't really know until I open it, right? >> I said something could send it to me. >> Yeah, so So, yeah. >> I got nothing. >> So, that's where I'm >> There's nothing. >> I'm just I'm just explaining though that like like it when I download something, it doesn't flag stuff because again, you don't know until you look at it. But, if I then have said thing and I'm like, "Okay, now I know what I have." and I send it to someone else. And again, I get as part of like some of these things like that's part of you know, it's part of the experience, it's part of the fantasy, it's part of the things that we're talking about um for people to do stuff like that. Um but the the images that flagged here did come from from here. Like they were uploaded to someone else. They were sent to someone during these. Um and I'm just going to have you take a look at a couple of them to see if maybe you're like, "Okay, yeah, I I did send those out, but I didn't create these." You know what I'm saying? Like again, I want to make sure we didn't >> I have never created a picture. >> Okay. >> taken pictures of >> Okay. >> children or anything like that. >> Other than my own children? >> Okay. Um This is one of the photos. Does this look familiar? >> It does. Yes, I've seen it. >> Okay. Do you do you remember where that came from? >> Nope. Sorry. >> And he's And I Brock's not going to have I When I talked to Brock, I just said to keep her upstairs, so she's not going to be um Okay, so you've seen this one before. Is this something that you would have maybe sent to somebody? >> I don't think so. >> Okay, cuz it like I said um these aren't anybody that you know. Okay, this isn't like your daughter or any friends from back in the day or any Okay. Which again technically is this illegal? >> No. >> It's not. I mean um and I kind of altered some of these images, but what about >> I don't remember that one. >> Okay, cuz again this is one that did and I'm again I'm not trying to trick you. I'm being very upfront with you and I'm trying to I want to be able to articulate um and I appreciate you being cooperative and honest about all these things. Um and obviously this is the thing that created it like us to be here. >> Right. >> But um you know, I know that came from this account, this this life tally account. So So again if this is something where, you know, and I can't I can't I don't know what your specific search I don't know. >> I do remember the one. >> Okay. >> Like I said, it could have came here, yes, but I don't remember the other. >> Okay, so this one doesn't. >> No. >> Would we uh what about this one also kind of added it. >> I remember seeing that one, yes. >> Okay, so this one you do. >> Yep. >> Um is this something that you might have seen from uh or something that you might have seen or uh or sent like during that uh period of time? >> So it could have been in that one. >> Okay. Um cuz I mean like I said, all three for sure were >> Like I said, the two, yes. >> Okay. A- And like I said, the other one for sure was sent from this from your account. >> Okay. >> So I'm just You just made a Do Is it possible you had sent it but don't remember it? >> Yes. >> Okay. And I'm I get it like um are there any other things of like that nature? And again, I don't care about like even remotely adults. I mean, you know how they can do on the internet. There's people that dress up to look young. Um but are there anything where it's kind of blatantly um more blatantly like young-looking, like child age of children or anything else that you would have had um that would have been sent? Okay. Where is there going to be anything like that on your phone by chance or your tablet or any of the other devices? >> Well, from sites I've looked at, I don't save anything. >> Okay. Um so, when you go to sites, uh you would have maybe And And here's the other thing. Um your phone does like even if you don't And I'm not like a master of computers or anything. There's other people that do stuff like that, but um from what I understand, like even if we're like on the internet and I'm not saving anything like to my device. Let's say I'm clicking on things and looking at things. Um like stuff like that can still like there's remnants of those things. It's called uh like your internet cache. Um as far as you saving anything, there won't be anything like that. Um would there But would there be like maybe like fingerprints of some of those things of like in those devices? Maybe you didn't intentionally save, but just from looking if that's how that works. >> No, it's all adults. >> Okay. Um is there anything Is there going to be anything with searches? And again, I if that's like I said, if that's kind of the thing that you're you know, if that's part of the And again, there's a big difference between people that do and you know, >> Like I said, most of it's >> kind of a fantasy thing. >> That's all it's not There's no adult children searches. >> Um do you have any idea like how the two that you do remember would have like shown up or like how you would have gotten those? >> Like >> said one of the most chats somebody could have sent me something. >> Okay. Currently are you using anything other than obviously you said you're not doing Kik anymore, but is there any other thing that you're using currently? >> I can't think of the name. >> What's the other popular app right now? >> Telegram. >> Telegram, that's it. >> No. >> Telegram? >> Nothing like that, no. >> WhatsApp. >> Yeah, I know. That was I was Telegram was the one I was thinking of. >> Okay. >> So, there's no the way I have this this is like a short this is like a snippet and I'll just let you kind of read it and I didn't put who's saying what just because the way I had it was in such a messed up format, but yeah. What's that? Oh, you need glasses. >> I don't have them here. >> So, I don't have I mean I do I I've got it on my computer, but I I don't have it here, but this is like just a small piece of the conversation and I don't know if this looks this is from from your account. Um >> Yeah, that's the >> Does this look kind of like >> Yeah, that's what I was talking with. >> Okay. >> Without going through everything, yes. >> Okay. And again, I'm my like I said, my my goal is just that I want to I want to make sure that when I kind of put everything together, I want to make sure that I you know get cuz it basically kind of like all I basically collect stuff. My job is literally to collect things. Um I don't really get a ton of decision-making, but my goal is like at the end of this when people ask is that I can say that, you know cuz I always cuz I I you know ultimately someone else that makes decisions kind of comes to me and they kind of grill me on questions and stuff like that. And I guess when we're done, by the time we're done talking, I want to make sure that I um as best as I can can I want to be able to say like yep, you know, I talked to Greg. Um he's been very honest about it. I want to say like 100% >> That's what the chat was, but I guess it's pure fantasy and nothing >> Okay. >> ever happened with any >> Okay. Um I just >> Never met anybody. >> Okay. >> Never called anybody. >> Okay. Cuz I I mean and I that is one of the things I was ask you about. I just want to make sure that and I and I'll make that clear to them. Um but I also cuz the one of the questions will be and again, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just I guess moving forward it'll be it'll be better that we kind of acknowledge if there's certain like things or tendencies which we know we have. Um but they could like possibly get us in trouble, but acknowledging kind of like an alcoholic that acknowledges yes, I have a drinking problem versus the one that's like no, I really didn't or yeah, I just had a few and this whole thing was a misunderstanding. Um I just want to if I do think that there is something here where I think you're probably aware of it and I just want to be able to convey that to the persons that are going to be grilling me about this that like I can say that yes, Greg is aware of it. Um you know, he's very honest about it and this isn't You know what I'm saying? Like it's something that we can work with. You know what I'm saying? Like we can't undo what's already been done, but we can at least like say going forward this is someone that realizes that and you know, maybe this was a one-time slip-up and we can going forward like we're going to get back on this wagon and it's never going to happen again type of thing. One of the things that I noticed is that um it from from your account it does seem pretty clear that there's like an interest in like the younger side of things and again, I'm not judging. Like I said, I I've talked to a lot of people. Um and the people that have this or that you know, people that have that interest, they like half of them tell me like if I could make that go away, it'd be kind of like if I said if I could stop staring at big tits, I would do it. But I cannot. That will never get out of my brain. That's my thing. Um and it's just if that's something that I guess that you have to work with or struggle with, I mean, that is something that is good to know because again, it shows that you're self-aware and it shows that I mean, it's >> Like I said, this is just >> And it is fantasy. And I And I get it. But But you know, like And I And I think you know, >> It's just a role play like >> Yeah, it But as far as like And again, I'm not saying it would ever go to anything more than this. Like I said, sometimes that might be our way of Like the same way if I was like you know, cheating on my girlfriend, you know, that might be if I do stuff online, it might be a way that I kind of satisfy that without actually having to satisfy. You know what I'm saying? Like I kind of get the mental and physical stimulation without having to go out and destroy my girlfriend and our relationship, right? Um is that kind of fair to say for this stuff? Like this is a kind of like almost like a coping way without having to mess with your actual life. >> If you had to reword it that way, I had to say yes. >> Okay. I mean, if you have a better way to Like I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I mean, >> It's about the best way to say it. >> Okay. Cuz again, it it's And I'm not I'm not trying to like put you on the spot, but there I mean, there's plenty of times where you're like actively inquiring about like or stating interest that like you know, I'm interested in Like I I forgot what the name of the kid in this one was. I don't know if you remember. >> No. >> Uh Todd? Does that ring a bell? >> Yeah, like I said, >> Okay. >> I mean, these are so >> Yeah, so basically the whatever the I mean it's clear in this that you know, that you're trying to get you know, like whether and again do I think the other person >> Trying to get them to do it. Yes. >> Yes, and trying to like get pictures of it and all the rest. Do I think the other person's actually doing these things? No, I don't either. In the same way that you are not doing them. It's you know, it's a fantasy thing. But is it fair to say like that is kind of the interest of that age group? I I'm asking like is that >> What was the English mother daughter? That was >> Okay, but I'm saying is like the age thing with like in this case like I think it was it Okay, like >> It starts specifically that you >> And I'm not saying you can't have a like I said and I'm not saying that's the only thing. I guess like as far as like your interests go is when I read this like I can tell you very much what the other person's interest is and I can cuz again they openly they ask they they want certain things the last questions are prompt those kind of responses and and vice versa like >> to get her see if they would do it. So >> Okay. Okay, you were and like trying to get mother and a son to do something. >> Okay. >> And there there are and again I'm not trying I don't want to like sugarcoat it cuz again I think that will kind of diminish I guess the amount of the honesty but as far as like trying to get I mean in in this fantasy it's you were trying to get a mother who presumably is an adult. I don't recall she's an adult. She is. Okay. And like a son who they make very clear is like 10. Is that sound correct? >> Yes. >> Okay, and you're trying to get Was there something specific that you wanted them to do? >> No. >> Okay. Um I mean, was it engage in just pretty much any kind of sexual >> Anything. >> Okay. Um >> And like you said, if they didn't get to Who knows. >> Okay. And again, I I get is it realistic that you're going to randomly, you know, find people that are instantly doing stuff like that or that this situation would somehow, you know, it this probably isn't going to be something easy to find. So, yeah, I I acknowledge that. Still And I know I asked this before, but can't think of it. Are you using anything like right now like kind of currently uh to do something similar? Not necessarily this, but like is there an app or something that you are using that >> Yeah. >> uh >> Yeah, I It's just a chat. >> Okay. Do you know where you would have heard about that one, the one that you're currently using? >> Oh. Latterotic. >> Okay. I don't know. I'm not going to remember that. What is it called? >> l a t >> l a t >> r o t i c a >> And that's a messaging app? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um Is that And what I guess what Is there any >> It's just stories. >> Okay. Like you where you're Is it something where you're like chatting with like actually chatting with people or is it just reading stories? >> Reading stories, yeah. >> Okay. But there's Is there interaction with other people >> Occasionally, yes. >> Okay. Is that something that you're doing on it? >> Occasionally, yes. >> Okay. Is there any other like And I'm not saying uh Is there any other interactions that you're having with people where you're sending them stuff or they're sending you stuff? >> Just chatting back and forth. >> Okay. Okay, got you. Um All right. Um So, on any of the devices, there's not going to be like where you like where you saved things like long-term like you'll have like Okay. >> No. >> Got you. It's all like everything that you either get or have sent to the passage usually like short short-term use. Okay. Um it sounds like they've got everything. Uh we'll take off. Um we'll go through the phone. Basically, I have to verify all the stuff that you told me. I I'm sure that'll be pretty pretty simple to do, but I appreciate you being honest. Um at some point I'll reach out to you. Like I said, hopefully we'll get your wife's phone back today. Again, I don't know how long it'll take to get through a phone. Sometimes they can get them done, you know, in like an 8-hour period. It depends really. >> There's not much on there. >> Okay. It really depends like how big how much storage is available, but um yeah, the faster we can get your stuff back to you. And so basically, the gist is um if we have like like it cuz again, stuff is always there's always things left behind as much as we think everything is gone or deleted. If there's stuff still on the phone, um like I said, that would qualify like under stuff with like kids and being like a thing. Um like I said, what we'll do is I'll just I would just have you come in get booked for like 20 minutes and like I said, literally walk out the door with a piece of paper. And again, I'm not we're not making a big kind of huge ordeal. Again, you've never been in trouble with anything before. You've been very honest. I'll make all that very well known. Um and basically, you would get like a future court date if that's the case even. Like I said, if there's nothing on the phones, um then basically >> two devices I use for chatting would be the phone and the tablet. >> And tablet. Okay. Um if there's nothing on any of those things, basically, this will be like a huge hopefully like like holy [ __ ] like um like I I've really got to really really I mean, I'm not saying >> I see one tiny mistake. >> Yeah, yeah. Like we cannot I Like I said, um you know, realizing that you maybe have some of these things that you know, it's in the fantasy sense we just we probably got to dial it back just a notch um to make sure that we don't do these certain things that are uh creating the situation. So, um but that's kind of like how we'll do, I guess, going forward or that's that's the process. >> All right. Um All right. Well, I'll get out of your hair. I'm sorry that um >> No. >> Sorry that we're seeing each other under these circumstances, but um like I said, I do think it's best to kind of get the stuff squared away and like I said, kind of like in anything in life, you know, we all make mistakes and it's best to kind of work with those head-on and kind of move on from there. So, um I'm going to get Brett out of here. I'm going to get out of here. Oh, right there he is. All right. Thank you. Got everything? I'm not forgetting anything? All right. Thank you. All right. >> [sighs] >> Gregory was not arrested on the day officers executed the search warrant, but later that year, after detectives reviewed the evidence collected from the residence, they found enough to move forward with charges. On October 16th, 2025, Gregory was arrested and originally booked on five counts of possession of child The case was then sent to the District Attorney's Office, where prosecutors officially filed five felony charges against him. In court, Gregory eventually pleaded guilty to two counts of possession of child while the remaining three counts were dismissed but read in at sentencing. He was sentenced to 6 years in state prison, made up of 3 years of initial confinement and 3 years of extended supervision with both counts running at the same time. He was also ordered to register as a sex offender for 15 years and complete a sex offender evaluation with any treatment recommended by the Department of Corrections.