As a cop, you make split-second decisions. Sometimes those decisions are the difference between life and death. >> Oh, where's 911? What's your emergency? >> Oh my god. He's in the front door. He's in the front door. He's in the front door. >> We also got a suspect who flees from officers and leads them straight into an innocent family's home. >> Go. Back up. Back up. Back up. Move. [screaming] Move. >> But first, cops respond to reports of an armed man at a bus stop. Take a look. >> Hey, we're all about to pull off. >> Hey, sir. Sir, can I see your hand? Can I see your hand? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Hand. Drop 10. Just drop. >> Victor 10. We got one at gun point at the bus stop. >> Just drop it. >> We have guns facing towards >> the shopping center, so beware of crossfire. We have a gun. >> Drop the gun. >> Drop the gun. Drop the gun. >> Drop the gun. >> Come on, man. Just drop the gun. >> Just drop it, man. It'll be done. >> Welty, you got cut. You got Welty, you talk. Welty, you talk. >> Hey, what's your name, partner? >> Hey, get get online. >> Don't shoot from death. >> What's your name, bud? Just talk to me. >> I'm just asking you to get >> Please just drop it. Please. >> Please just drop the gun. >> Please. >> We just need to talk to you. >> Do what you got to do. >> I don't want to hurt you. >> I want to go home tonight. I want you to go home tonight. You get back. >> If you can do it, do it. >> We don't want to do this. We want you to work with us. >> I want you to do it. >> Please work with me. Okay. >> I don't want to do that. >> Please just stay. Just pull your hand out. you you are, but I need you to work with me on this. >> 10 10 minutes coming in. Uh let's get Lost Knife shut down and uh let's try and get the entrance to the shop. >> Okay, let's just work. Keep working. >> When it comes to deescalation, you got to know that the suspect gets a vote and it's kind of difficult and it's challenging to get his vote when he's having these ideations. Okay. Uh and again, the calvary is coming. You have to set up a perimeter. You got to have command and control, which I believe this officer is pretty much doing, right? The incident commander formulating a plan, having that tactical communication uh to see what will be the best outcome. >> Come on. We can't have you out here with a gun with all these people around. >> Please, >> work with me on this. >> Just work with me on this. >> I don't want to do that. I Nobody wants to do that. You don't want that. Come on now. Why are we here today? >> Come on. >> My name is All right. Let's just start this. My name is Chris. >> My name is Chris. What's your name? >> Just tell me your first name. >> We're not going to go anywhere, partner. Just please. >> Please. We're going to stay right here with you. >> Don't keep Don't do anything with that gun. Just drop the gun. >> Drop the gun. >> 13. Make sure every officer is online. >> Can we clear the back of the shopping center? >> Everyone else online. >> City by the rear of the step to the left. >> All right. Come on. I'm I'm work work with me, partner. I don't want to do that. >> I want to stay with you here. All right, let's just talk about this. My name is Chris. Can you just give me your name? >> Um, is there a negotiator? >> Can you just give me your name? >> Just your first name. >> Any negotiator on negotiator? >> Elliot. >> All right, Elliot. My name's Chris. Uh, besides Chris doing a great job, it's a good thing that they recognize to get a crisis hostage negotiator, someone who's very experienced, that's an expert to keep that reporting, keep talking, and getting to know the suspect, right? That's got to be your best option right now as a resource. Okay. >> But I like to work through this with you, >> Elliot. Let's work through this right now, >> Elliot, please. >> All right. All right. Hey. >> Yeah, >> Wely, we're going to back out. >> You and me if we can. >> Okay. >> We're going to give him space. We'll do a little overlap here. >> Ready? >> Yeah. >> We need some kind of cover if we're going to move. We got no cover unless we can move that way. Welty. Yeah. >> We're going to move that way. >> All right. >> We're going to move this way. We're moving this way. We're coming this way. >> I'm out. >> How far back are we going? Come on. >> My camera's dying. >> Okay, I'll take your spot. >> I'll take your spot. Yep. Copy. >> I'm at 6%. >> Yep. >> We can't leave it the way it is right now. >> Hey. >> All right. >> His hands are clear. His hands are clear. Moving. Moving. I have a gun. I have a gun. >> Guns here. >> Down, >> huh? Hey, get >> medit. >> Hey, let's get >> Hey, let's get these cars out of the way for fire rescue. If you're not treating him, get the cars out of the way. >> Okay, look. So, check this out. This is what we're going to try to accomplish in this channel, okay? My goal is to get you to understand postmanagement scene of an OS of an officer involved shooting. And I can tell you from experience, having rolled out to a lot of these shootings, I think in one year alone, we had a 100 shootings uh oas's uh in the city of Los Angeles with LAPD. And what I want to share with you and what I want to walk you through is things like totality of the circumstances. In other words, all the tactics, procedures, right, and applications that the officers did up until the point that they engage in deadly force. That's one. We're going to talk about objectionable reasonable standard. The Graham vconer case in 1989. The landmark case that determines these objectable reasonable standards that an officer has at the time that they engage. Uh we'll talk about that later on. Uh you just got done seeing deescalation at its best. Uh however, there is this theory that we don't talk about enough and it's suicide by cop. There's studies and research out there that pretty much determine that if you do certain things and say certain things at the presence of police officers when you're engaging or you're about to engage in deadly force, uh it is aations that leads to a [music] by cop theory. Okay? And there's so much more that we're going to learn together. We're going to be dropping a lot of episodes as it relates uh to O is okay. When Paros was no longer considered an active threat, officers quickly provided emergency medical treatment. Despite all their efforts, he was pronounced dead at scene. We'll find out what happened to him shortly. But first, cost respond to reports of an armed robbery. Okay. Okay. Okay. Where the bags at? Hurry up. Where the bags at? >> They back there. They back there. >> Open it now. Hurry. Hurry. Open it. In there. Hurry. Put them in. Put in you. that start trash. >> What? >> Look. Look. Roger. North Rage. >> Copy. Stay eastbound. Traffic condition. Speed >> speed. Number two unit. Take it. speeds 120. Traffic is starting to pick up a little bit still eastbound. Coming up to break the sheriff is going to try a pit maneuver unit 307. Let him out. Still use copy that EV unit. You copy all CSO units 306 is attempting to move up for >> tell them come up in the fast lane. Come up in the fast lane. >> 37. >> All right. So eastbound speeds 105. Traffic is light coming up to great road. Traffic starting to pick up a little bit here. Eastbound 90 eastbound coming out to Greatton Road. Traffic is moderate. Road conditions are dry. Speeds 105. All right, we're coming up to Brook Park. He's going to be going back westbound road. >> Okay, allow me to interject right here as the pursuit is still going. Chances are it's probably going to end up in a TC or we're just going to continue to uh go on vehicle pursuit, right? And this is the most inherently dangerous situation that an officer can get into. Uh look, good job on the officer describing the scene, uh giving the miles per hour so that everybody can know how fast and that high rate of speed that they're traveling. At some point, you're going to have to call it off. You could, but given the circumstances, right, you got what? You got a robbery. She was held at gunpoint and you have a kidnapping and he's gone. Last thing you want to do is have the suspect get away. >> 60 county on the right. Counties on the north on your right. Hey, westbound park. Passing NASA speeds 85 in front of you. Still westbound Brook Park coming up to west 220 westbound. We're going to be heading uh back into Northstead [music] on Brook Park. Copy that speed and traffic. >> Traffic is light. Speed's 85. Still westbound. Brook Park coming up. >> They just spiked them. They just spiked them. Good spike Clay and Brook Park. We are westbound. Traffic is light. 100 miles an hour. Coming up to Grace Road. Still westbound. Speeds 95. Traffic is light. Coming up to Columbia. Struck. Males are going to be fleeing. Copy that. Make sure immediate attention to the uh struck vehicle. >> Black male, gray hoodie jeans. >> Now, from a tactical perspective, from a point of view is that you definitely want to get a unit to clear that car cuz you don't know who's in the car. I know you probably think that you only have one suspect, but you don't know who's inside the car. So, you always want to go ahead and clear, which is the reason why you have more than a primary and a secondary unit in a pursuit. The calvary is coming. Everybody is on all hands on deck, especially in a violent situation like this. foreign. [screaming] Go >> one house. >> [screaming] >> Back up. Back up. Back up. Move. Move. >> [ __ ] ass. [screaming] Don't [ __ ] move. [screaming] I got to go, idiot. >> Slow down. Slow down. Black male gray hoodie jeans. Back up. Back up. Back up. Move. Move. >> Get out of [screaming] the house. Get out of the house now. Show me your [ __ ] hands. Put your hands out. Don't [ __ ] move. Don't move your back. >> Going on his right side. >> Contact EMS. >> Grab my kit. >> Guns on his right side. hilarious. >> Uh just to point out, I want to say that EMS stands for emergency medical service kit. Uh prior to 2020, uh after the summer of the George Floyd incident, uh we used to get involved in an OIS and just sit there and wait until the RA, the rescue ambulance arrives. and we have to wait till they come into the apartment in this case and actually provide medical treatment. But all the laws have changed in this particular state and it's happening across the nation. It has had a major reformation as to how officers should provide and render aid immediately and that's what they're doing and it's for a good thing. Uh I'm glad that we changed all the laws and protocols to be able to try to save lives. Med kit, stop. Get in your houses. Get in your homes. 24496F. >> You got your >> I got mass. >> Give me another shares >> here. [ __ ] We need lights. >> Lights. >> Lights. >> Here. >> Got one in the side. >> Yeah, that's probably >> Hey, I made a reload. Watch my magazine. >> Oh, we need chest seal. >> I got >> Let's get a chest seal. Let's go a clear path for EMS. >> We need a clear path for ambulance. Straight up this driveway here. >> Cut that up with shears. Cut it. >> What do you need? >> Nothing yet. >> All right. >> Then once this done, we need to roll on the other side. >> Hey. >> Yeah. >> So, cat, start cutting his pants. >> Somebody. Yeah. Start working here. Let me get >> We're going to have one in that leg. >> Bark, I got a kit. Glove up. >> Yep. Hit me up. I need kit now. >> Here. Glove's on. >> Just tell me what you need. All right. Go to the side. >> I dude >> I don't know. >> Okay. >> Just We're good. He's hit. Just give us a clear ambulance route. >> There's one right here. >> All right. I need some Let's check real quick. >> Zo Zolder wrap >> here. >> Second glove. >> Plug. Seal. >> Seal. >> Thank you. >> He's got two in his butt. >> I got multi. I got mask kit. Just tell me what you need. >> One more time. >> Let's start CPR. >> You see him? I'm start CPR. >> Hey, >> expedite. >> We need EMS straight to the door. Okay, let me kind of walk you and explain you a little bit about the process of a scene management. So, when the sergeant arrives, which I believe there's probably one there or not, uh, you have to determine who the shooting officers are. So, you have one, okay, you have to separate them and monitor them and give them in order to get that public safety statement. Now, another video I did talk about the PSS, the public safety statement where it's nine questions that I am ordering you to ask uh for safety reasons, right? Uh, one of those questions is, you know, how many rounds did you fire? Are there any outstanding suspects is another question. I have it up there so you can see all the nine questions. We don't have time to really explain them all. But with that being said, command and control, you have to have an incident commander to take over this complete scene. Now, what you also want to do is create an inner perimeter and an outer perimeter. Why? Because it's a homicide. And get a crime scene log going, right? Someone designated for a crime scene log. and start noting every single officer, every single person that's in the inner perimeter and the outer perimeter. And yes, the ingress egress, like the officer was saying, for the RA, the rescue ambulance to arrive. Make sure you have that clear passageway and bring it all the way up to the door because time is of the essence. Okay, >> I need a [ __ ] just >> cut all this off now. >> I just That's my bag. I need a union rep. >> Yeah, you guys have a supervisor. >> 25th I'm here. >> Just to point out, ideally, you want a couple of supervisors. The first sergeant at scene is going to be responsible for the PSS. the second sergeant at scene is going to be the one with command and control because I'm telling you right now in a scene like that a lot of plates are spinning and you have so many duties and responsibilities that you want to be able to have a really good crime scene for the investigators both criminal investigators and the administrative investigators. >> I'm right here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just need a second. Just uh put it in my trunk if you guys are done with it. Put it in my trunk. Just zip it up. Um, no. Buddy check me. >> Hey, just just one second. Buddy check first. >> Hey, I'm taking this off. >> All right. >> Until I get a replacement. >> Leave it till I get a replacement. >> I'll give you mine. >> Just Just leave it there till I get a replacement. >> Take this off. That's It's >> I didn't see him run in there. >> I did. >> Oh, >> I did. >> Last [ __ ] second. >> Okay. >> I saw >> anything. No. >> All right. Let's just probably just paint. >> Let me be clear by saying this, and I'm going to say this in every single one of the breakdowns that we're going to be doing is the loss of life is a tragedy in itself. Okay? Officers recovered Johnson's clock, which was confirmed to be operable, but had not been fired during the incident. Okay. Johnson was transported to a hospital where he was later pronounced dead. We'll get back to what happened to him. But first, officers respond to reports of a man wielding homemade spear knives. How many of you are there? >> How many of you are there? >> Drop that. >> Drop the hammer. >> Good. Over here. Drop that, too. Drop that, too. >> Yeah. Just drop it. Oh, >> here we go. >> Hey, >> what? >> You're detained right now. You need to drop those right now. >> You're We're the police, man. >> Stop. Stop. Okay. >> All right. >> I'm going kill it. >> Don't do that. >> 967 code 33. >> We got a subject holding two knives, one at gunpoint. >> Okay. Running down to the main portion. Hey, drop it. Drop the knife. Drop the knife. Drop it. Drop it. Drop it. Drop it. Drop it. >> Drop the knife. >> Challenging one. >> I got danger. >> Drop the knife. >> Drop it. Drop the knife. >> I don't do nothing. I don't do nothing. Stop it. >> Hey, just stop it. Talk to him. >> I don't want to hurt you. Come here. >> Hey, stop. >> Stop. Drop the knife. Drop the knife. >> Hey, don't make use force. >> Look, the suspect gets a vote. Okay, deescalation's never guaranteed. You can tell him to drop the knife thousands of times, but if he doesn't, that elevates the situation. Don't move. >> Do not move. >> All right. You guys all good? >> Yeah. >> All right. Who's contact? >> You have a shield like that? >> We're good. >> Get your hands away from your body. >> Get your hands away from your body. >> Yeah, we're good. You want to take >> someone Let him drop it. Don't move. >> Do not move. >> All right. You guys all good? >> Yep. >> All right. Who's contact? >> We have a shield like that. >> We're good. Get your hands away from your body. >> Get your hands away from your body. >> We're good. >> I counted nine officers. Okay, so basically you got one shooter and eight precipient witnesses. You also have a one non-lethal officer, which is the one that deployed the taser. Okay, you have to separate and monitor them. You can see I want to say it was either the sergeant or another officer walking the shooting officer away to separate them and monitor them because he has to wait for the sergeant to arrive at scene so the sergeant can obtain that PSS that public safety statement. Okay. Officers immediately provided medical treatment to Castillo until paramedics arrived. Despite their efforts, Castillo died at the scene. We'll come back to his outcome shortly. But first, cops track down a vehicle and conduct a traffic stop. But things take a deadly turn when he steps out with a gun. >> Is he just driving the um speed limit? >> Yeah, he's only going about 10:15. >> He's stopped now in traffic. >> Turn the car off. Turn the car off. Turn the car off. Turn the car off. Turn the car off. Turn the car off. He's reaching. >> He's reaching the back seat of the gun. >> Yo. Yo. Yo. Drop it. Drop it. Drop. Fire. Shots. Fire. Nail. Down. Turn the car off. Turn the car off. Turn the car off. He turn the car off. Turn the car off. Turn the car off. He's reaching. He's reaching in the back seat. I think he has a gun in his hand. Shots fired. Mail down. >> Get PFD going. >> Start now. >> Uh there is no time to deescalate even though the other partner officers were telling him to drop the gun. Drop the gun. That's all part of deescalation. However, like I said before, I know that I said the suspect gets a vote, right, on deescalation, but sometimes you're involved in situations where you have to act quick, right? A split-second decision to use deadly force. And this is exactly what happened here. And before we wrap it up, I did mention that in the state of California, it is by law codified in the law that you shall and you're mandated to provide medical treatment post OIS. Okay? And I want to say that's happening across the nation. Okay. After securing the handgun, officers began providing emergency medical treatment. He was ultimately transported to the hospital where he later died from his injuries. >> Oh, where's 911? What's just your emergency? >> I have my abusive ex-boyfriend trying to break in. I know who he is. I don't I don't know what I can do for you guys to take down his information. Um, and he's just been doing this. He's harassing me at this point. >> What is his neighbor? >> Andrew Bones. >> And is he white Asian? >> He's Hispanic. >> And where is he trying to break in through? >> At my front door. He's already broken in here about two nights before. Oh my god. I just feel like he probably want to kill me. We have that call up. An officer will be out there shortly if any. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. What's going on? Oh no. front end on. >> Oh my god. He's in the front door. He's in the front door. He's in the front door. I can't do this. Oh, hell no, bro. Like, you better knife. Drop theing knife. Drop the knife. >> Get back. One night, boy. Get on theing ground. Shots fired. Shots fired. Suspect is down. >> Get on your stomach. Get on your stomach now. >> Your incident has been updated. Your incident has been updated. >> We need your hands on. >> He has like three knives on him. Okay. You want to make it? >> Yeah, it's in my car. >> All right. >> So, I got this shirt off. So, I turn the shirt off. >> You got me starting putting some fashion tape off. >> You got one on the top left up on his arm. >> When you have a suspect with a knife, it's very controversial. a lot a lot of uh newsworthy events and we tend to sensationalize when a suspect is armed with a knife, at what point does the officer engage in deadly force? Okay. Uh what I will tell you from experience is when a suspect runs up on you with a knife, you know what? You have to engage. You got to make decisions that you have to live for the rest of your life. But more important than anything is again the tragedy. Okay? It is not easy for an officer to live with the fact that you took someone's life. Okay. And again, I know that we can uh let's talk about it. You know, go ahead and let me know what you think about suspects with knives and at what point do you make that decision to engage in deadly force? Okay. Okay. So, officers provided medical treatment to Andrew Pon at scene. Pon was then transported to a hospital where he was pronounced dead. Okay. So, click the like button, the notification bell. Don't forget to subscribe. Please comment below because we want to hear from you. If you would like to see me have conversations with other police officers about internal affairs and other police topics, go to my podcast, The Marlon Marachi Show, okay? And come join me to break down non-critical police actions at the Marlin Report. Thank you for watching and we will see you on the next