Before the altercation happened, I woke up and I noticed that the living room was tossed around. She woke me up by dumping water on me. Which pissed me off. Like, I'm not going to lie. It It pissed me off. >> Hello. Are you uh >> Yes. >> Your sister and family have been calling about you. They're calling us to check on you. They said you got some pretty bad wounds on your legs. Just so you know, we're audio and video recording. You guys had a domestic situation? >> Wasn't really domestic. >> You guys fighting? >> We were arguing, yeah. >> Verbal? >> Verbal. >> Was there anything physical? >> No. >> So, where are all these pictures that I've been told like they're they're they're willing to send me pictures? Where are all these pictures that they're they're they're they're talking about sending me? >> Cuz my legs are cut up. >> Why are your legs cut up? Are you here by yourself? >> Are you here by yourself? >> Can we talk to you? >> Uh >> Do you want to step out here and talk to us? >> step out here. My legs are still I just woke up, so Yeah, I I just woke up and told my messages from my friend. >> He took off in the car. >> Okay. So, what where did these cuts come from on your legs? They said it's pretty bad. Yeah, we need to have an ambulance come and get you. >> We need to send an ambulance for a 61. Female with severe lacerations to the legs. >> So, how did that How did How did you get the cuts on there? You got thrown, didn't you? >> Yeah. >> And you landed, didn't you? Okay. >> Huh? >> Am I right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I've been doing this for a while. This isn't This isn't my first first time, okay? And your family's concerned about you. >> concerned about you. So, what what was the argument? Let's talk about the argument, okay? >> And you're you're you're being honest with us he's not here. >> No, no. He has the >> he's not here. They said that be here but he's anyway. >> So, this sounds like it's a pretty common theme that you guys have domestic situations that are physical. >> Honestly, this is like the second or third time it's gotten physical. >> Okay. So, what happened? What Why did it get physical this >> Um well, he's been cheating over the past since July. >> Okay. >> And we were just arguing about that. >> Okay. And then what happened from there? >> I can't I don't remember. >> All right. So, Did you Did you swing your hand and hit something with your hand? >> I I honestly don't remember. >> did How did you get the cuts on your legs? >> I honestly don't remember. I was drinking Maker's Mark. >> that you don't want me to see? >> no, you can Okay, you can come in. My lamp's knocked over and I got >> Cut? >> Yeah, I believe it. Looking at your leg, I believe it. In fact, why don't you go ahead and sit down that way you're not standing up on it. >> Yeah, that's It's just like the lamp's knocked over. That's There's nothing I don't >> What time last night did this happen? Or did it happen today? >> Well, it was today. We got off work at midnight because we worked last night and we work at home. >> Okay. >> And >> So, you got thrown down on the ground. Where did you get thrown down on the ground? >> Honestly, I I I really don't know. I couldn't tell you. I was on a lounge chair. >> It's not broken. Were you guys both drinking last night? >> Yes, we were. And it it was this morning. I mean, we got off work at midnight. >> Okay. So, it was really this morning? >> Yeah. And it was >> is there anybody else here? >> No. >> Do you Are you okay if we make a just make sure no one else is in here? Just don't want to be surprised by anybody. >> Yeah, you're okay. Nobody else is here. >> Okay. Do you have any idea where he went to? >> No, I never do. He does this. He takes off. >> Okay. So, you don't know what your leg hit to to get it cut open? >> don't. I just don't remember. Is what it was. Like I said I had a couple shots and I just don't remember. >> Was your argument was it in the living room here? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Both parties denied physical contact. Both stories changed under questioning. That contradiction is the legal core of this case. Under the Illinois domestic battery statute, domestic battery is knowingly causing bodily harm to a household member without legal justification. The victim does not press charges, the state does. Under the Illinois Domestic Violence Act mandatory arrest provision, officers must arrest the dominant aggressor when probable cause exists regardless of the victim's wishes. >> Yeah, I mean I don't know what could have could have done it because the only thing I can see that's broken or that off is my lamp is not broken. But Yeah, like I I don't know what could have been done. >> Why don't you go sit back down for me? Don't worry about cleaning this up. Is that in right there? >> Where? >> In that picture? >> Yeah, I guess. I mean, honestly, I can't even tell you that he threw me because I really just don't remember. Like I said, we were I I was drinking after work. We worked last night. Uh I yeah, my paper towel. That was I put that in >> So, you uh So, you remember arguing with him about him cheating? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And you don't remember how your leg got cut open. You got a cut on on legs. >> Yeah, I know. I >> And you told your sisters what happened. So, just be honest with us, okay? >> I just I just woke up, so I'm just trying to >> I understand. But, obviously you told your sisters what happened, so you know what happened. >> I know it happened. Yeah, I did. >> Yeah, so I know that. >> I just I don't remember. >> So, I don't have to contact them. I mean, you can check your phone and see the text messages that they sent you send them because the text messages all say what happened cuz they're wanting to send me all this stuff to let me know what happened. Cuz you told them everything that happened. And I all I got to do is go and call them. They're going to send me everything. And I and I'm going to call them. I'm going to have them send me everything for the report. So, I mean, it's >> I just don't remember. >> Okay. >> Like now >> that much in that amount of time? >> I I went through a whole bottle of Maker's Mark. >> Did you go Is that after the altercation or before the altercation? >> Before. >> You drank a whole bottle before both of you drank it? >> Both of us drank both of us, yes. >> Okay. And you don't remember what happened. Okay. >> Not really. I like I I'm going to re- go through the night. >> trying to Yeah, are you trying to protect him and tell me that he didn't do this? Is that what you're trying to do? Cuz I I'm pretty sure your texts to your sisters are going to say otherwise. >> Yeah, I pretty I'm pretty sure they do. >> Here's Here's the deal. There's no reason to protect him. We already know that there was an altercation and you're injured from it. So, it's just a matter of telling us what happened. >> Do you Do you feel like this is a good life for you to to live to live like this? >> No. >> To be beaten up like this? And someone's cheating on you? >> No. >> I mean, I I I'm not in I don't want to be in your personal life, but that's a pretty severe injury. You're going to have to go to the hospital and get stitches for that. That's not going to close up on their own. >> of them. >> Yeah. Those aren't going to close up on their own. Tho- Those You're going to have to have stitches and they're It's going to take you some pain cuz they're going to have to st- You're going to feel some pain when that gets done. >> I know. >> Cuz you didn't get it taken care of right away. >> But, here's here's the other thing to think about. You got the I don't know how many different family members have called him today concerned about you. >> I'm on my third family member calling. I've been here This is my second time here today. To knock on the door. >> Code four. >> To knock on the door. I've had your dad call. First I had one sister call. Jennifer. That was the original call. And I couldn't She was at work so she wasn't able to answer my phone call when I tried calling her back. Then your dad calls because of the pictures you sent to him. And then your other sister calls and wants me to kick the door in and is mad because I can't kick the door in. Now uh Justina, yeah. So I told her I'd come back over here to try again. >> I I really I just I don't want any charges pressed or anything. >> Well, we know that. That's why you're not telling us That's why you're not telling us >> us what happened. >> But the problem is is we already he he's got he's going to get the information that you told told him or that your sisters or whoever told him. So we're beyond that part of you being the person that's wanting charges pressed. >> Yeah. The Where Where are you from originally? >> Uh Indiana. >> Indiana, okay. >> Yeah, that's it. >> So >> I have >> Hey. >> Hi. >> You got some injuries from a domestic issue that happened late last night or early this morning. >> Yeah, I'm going to go call family house. >> Uh no. They was They were already between me and my boyfriend. I wrote probably around like 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. >> How did they get cut? What was it with? >> I don't know. >> A knife or >> No. >> Something sharp? >> I I I don't remember. >> Just these two on your legs though? Can I see your arms? Nothing on your back, through your chest, shoulders? >> No. >> All right. Yeah, let's get one of those. And then you want one of these big and easy pads as well to kind of keep I'm not hearing I'll see you guys later. Do you know what time that last night this happened? It was pretty late at night? >> Yeah, well, I got off work at midnight. >> Yeah. >> Midnight. >> You got off work at midnight? So, sometime after that? >> I'm going to say probably between 2:00 and 4:00. >> Sorry, sorry. I just have to cover it, okay? >> You want the other one? >> Yeah, we'll do the other one on the other leg here and then I'll just use the same wrap. Do you take any medications every day for anything? Okay. >> Yeah, just like the Yeah, no prescription. >> Any allergies to medicine, medicine you can't take? >> I'm allergic to it. Break out in hives. >> Which hospital do you want to go to? >> Uh-huh. >> Which hospital do you want to go to? >> Uh, it doesn't matter. >> You haven't been to one in town before? In Atlanta? >> No. >> How long have you lived here? >> Since November. >> Okay. She said she's from Indiana. >> Yeah, I >> You haven't been to a hospital in here since you've been here? >> No. >> Okay. We have two of them, Carl and OSF, so >> Okay. Yeah, it doesn't matter. >> All right. >> Are you taking any pain medications for us? >> No. >> Any alcohol today, last night? >> Last night, yes. Bakers Mark. >> Where were you bleeding at when this happened? It's just I think it's going to probably be a living room pretty much. >> Was there severe bleeding then when it happened? >> Yeah. >> How did you get your back? >> Yeah. >> That old bruise there, yeah. Did you fall down? >> Yeah. >> All right. Did you locate it like walking outside down the steps? Walking around since it happened, I guess? >> Yeah. >> Well, I didn't >> Well, it's just there on the floor. >> Do you want to bring anything with us? Cuz I can grab it for you, but my shoes for when you leave or can I get it for you? >> I don't know. >> How's it going? >> How's it going? >> Not bad. >> Good. Do you want to do anything with your head at all? >> No. >> Did you pass out at all at any point last night? >> Uh yeah, I was asleep. >> Did you like fall unconscious because of >> Oh, no. >> bleeding in the room? >> Not that I know of, no. I just >> over then? >> I was asleep. >> But I thought you were going to be awake. Did it happen after that? I thought you were awake. I'm going to enter the house. Is it supposed to look like that? >> Yes, sir. >> I think that's what happened here. I'm checking you out. That's all. That's all. >> Jonathan. Sheriff's office. >> Oh, [ __ ] >> Lock your door there, buddy. We'll let us talk to you. >> Yes, sir. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Step on out and talk to us, man. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Just stand right there by your car. Just so you know, we wear cameras, okay? >> Got it. Can you put your hands behind your back? Got anything on you, bud? >> Nope. >> Sorry, I just want to talk to >> You're all right. >> Just relax. Ford gave us one to talk to you. All right. >> All right. >> So, you're Jonathan Olive, right? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. All right. Have you been drinking? >> Well, not recently, but I did have a shot before I went to bed. >> Okay. >> Went to go after I left the house and Casey's. >> Casey's. >> So, what happened between you and Amber last night? >> Uh >> Let you know, we're audio and video recording, okay? >> Yeah. We got into a fight, uh an argument, and uh that's the last thing I remember. >> That's the last thing you remember? Anything else? >> No, sir. >> You just remember getting into an argument with her? >> Yeah. >> Was it a verbal argument? >> Yeah, it was verbal. >> Did anybody get thrown around? Nobody got thrown around? What were you arguing about, buddy? >> Yeah, what were you arguing over? Um previously, like it's I have a history of cheating uh on my wife, >> Amber. >> I understand. >> Yeah, I know you understand. Yeah, so previously, I had a history of cheating on my wife, Amber, but we're trying to make good with that. Um but you know, last night we had a few too many shots, and things just got a little little heated. >> She went her way, and I went my way. >> Okay. >> Because of that. >> Okay. >> She uh >> Did some get in the house? >> No. >> I don't know. I think no. >> Yeah. >> She's got two lacerations to both of legs. >> Yeah, she told me about that. >> And she said she texted you on the way down to the hospital. Did you know she came out of the hospital with you? >> Yeah, I went to go pick her up but she didn't respond to me about that at all. Yeah. >> She said that you uh You said you threw her out. You threw her down on the ground? >> I threw her away from me because she did come at me with a pair of scissors while we were arguing. >> You see how the story's changing here? >> What story's not changing >> You said that nothing happened and now all of a sudden she came at you with a pair of scissors and she's got lacerations to you threw her down. I asked you if you anybody threw her down and thrown down. If anybody got thrown down you said no. >> Well, how does that have to do anything to do with lacerations? >> Cuz I didn't >> How did How did she get the lacerations? >> That I don't know. >> You don't know how she got them? >> No. >> So why would she text her family and then tell them that you threw her down? >> Because I did throw her down. I threw her away from me. I didn't throw her like specifically down. I threw her away from me. >> Okay. >> Like Like I said, like she came at me with a pair of scissors so I threw her away from me specifically. >> Jonathan denied any physical contact when first asked. That was false. His self-defense claim of scissors, provocation, emerged only after officers confronted him with Amber's injuries. Self-defense under the Illinois justified use of force statute is an affirmative defense. It must be raised proactively, not reactively. A claim disclosed under evidentiary pressure reads as fabrication at trial. Graham versus Connor, decided in 1989, requires that force be proportionate to the threat present. Even if the scissors claim is true, bilateral lacerations requiring stitches demand scrutiny of the response applied. Amber confirmed this was the second or third physical incident. Under the Illinois other crimes evidence statute for domestic violence, prior battery by the defendant is expressly admissible in subsequent domestic battery prosecutions. That is significant evidentiary exposure for Jonathan. Jonathan was also driving while impaired. Under the Illinois DUI statute that is independent criminal exposure. The officer arrested on battery only a discretionary call. That does not foreclose a DUI charge at a later stage. Probable cause was established under the totality of circumstances standard from Illinois versus Gates decided by the Supreme Court in 1983. Visible injuries, partial admission, family photographs, and a disrupted scene together clear the threshold comfortably. >> How did the lamp break? >> The lamp was It was She had to have thrown it before I woke up. All right, so the altercation before the altercation happened I woke up and I noticed that the living room was tossed around. She woke me up by dumping water on me. Which pissed me off. Like I'm not going to lie. It pissed me off. Um bed was wet and everything. Like you can see that clearly as well. Like it pissed me off. But I woke up and I went to the living room. I couldn't find my phone, the projector, because we don't watch TV, we watch projector screen instead. Everything that the coffee table was upside down and everything. So When she gets a little into the bottle into the bottle, she gets a little a little physical herself. >> Did you tell her in a text message that you couldn't walk and that you lost a toenail? >> Yeah, I got >> How How'd you lose a toenail? >> I didn't lose a toenail. I mean, it's still attached, but it's hanging on by a thread. I can show you if you want. >> I mean, how'd that happen? >> I don't I really don't know. I don't remember. I really don't understand. Like, I can show you. Honestly. It's literally barely hanging on by a thread. I don't have pretty toenails, but >> All right. >> You want to change the subject or anything? Yep. >> Do you have a preference on who tows your truck? >> Do you know where it's getting towed to? >> Well, do you have a preference on who tows it? >> Do you have a preference on who tows it? Otherwise, I will get one and I'll let you know who it's going to be. >> I mean, we'll tell you who's going to tow it if you don't have >> If you have a preference on somebody you want to tow it, we can do that. Otherwise, we'll >> I'm not very I'm not very familiar around here, so like uh >> There's Winner's Towing, there's Tavern's Towing. If you don't know any of those >> all those are right here in town. >> know any of those, then we'll just call from rotation and we'll tell you which one it is. >> Which is the cheapest, by any chance? >> I mean, we have to go off of rotation. They're all about the same price. So, I mean, we just have to go off the rotation. >> All right. >> All right. So, I mean, we can't just pick one for you. >> I'm going to leave the Bible in the vehicle, okay? Is that all right? >> Yes, sir. >> Just another one here. Just another lighter here. Do you know what this is for, by any chance? What's that? >> What are you being arrested for? You're being arrested for domestic violence. >> Do you know if you can leave me in handcuffs in the jail or something? >> Will you uh make sure the jail holds that? Don't want >> What's that? >> Yeah, they'll put that in your property. >> Well, the card put in the card. >> Yeah, yeah, they'll put it in your >> Yeah, yeah, I'll I'll let you know. I'll put it back in your pocket, all right? >> So, you're going with me, okay? >> Yes, sir. >> You got anything on you down below? >> No, sir. >> Do you have anything in your crotch? >> No, sir. >> All right. Let me check your hat. >> Yes, sir. >> Anything up under your hat? >> No, sir. >> All right. >> The officer receives an A minus. Non-coercive victim interview. Accurate statutory explanation on camera. Simultaneous party separation prevented statement coordination. Minor deduction. Initial contact with Jonathan preceded full separation. Jonathan receives a C plus. Cooperative during arrest. Understood the mandatory charge framework. But the late self-defense disclosure after an initial denial is a credibility wound that courts will not overlook. Amber receives a B. Victim reluctance in intimate partner violence is clinically expected. Her family communications and photographs created the evidentiary record that drove the investigation without her formal cooperation. Sustained minimization cost her points, not her circumstances. Four takeaways. One. In mandatory arrest states, victim preference is legally irrelevant. Two. Affirmative defenses withheld until confrontation lose credibility. Three. Prior incidents are admissible in Illinois. Pattern evidence matters. Four. A victim statement is not required to establish probable cause. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic you would like us to discuss in the comments below. Thank you for watching and don't forget to check out our second channel for more police interaction and courtroom content. >> All right. You don't want anything at the jail. All right? >> Yes, sir. I didn't say anything at the jail. >> You didn't ask for a towel, did you? >> Not yet. >> I might have to start walking around. Send us a towel by I'll go around and grab the belt. Trying to help you out so you're not directly on the car. >> Thank you. >> All right. Got