Whose blood should not be in the Honda? >> Nobody's blood has ever been in the Honda. There is blood. There was blood in the Honda. >> We have evidence backing up the fact that we arrested. And we also know that you know more. >> This woman in this room taught kindergarten. For a year and a half, she'd been telling anyone who asked that her husband was a good man, a good father, that he could have never done what the police said he did. He's a He's a good man. He's a good husband. He would never do anything that would hurt his kid. >> She gave him his alibi. She sat through his trial. She stood outside the courthouse after the verdict and defended him to a news camera, which she does not know sitting here is that investigators already have her on tape. >> We can sit here and talk to a person and it it's written [music] on your face that you know more. >> Her name is Cynthia Wilder. She taught in the May not public school system in North Dakota and she has just been arrested for helping plan a murder. The victim was Angela Wilder, 30 years old, pregnant, and the ex-wife of Cynthia's husband, Richie. On the morning of November 13th, 2015, Angela was found on the floor of her bedroom. She had been stabbed and cut more than 40 times in the face, neck, and chest. Some of the wounds were 3 to 4 in deep. Her toddler's son was in the next room. He had been alone in the house with her body for hours. Richie Wilder was convicted of that murder. He's serving life without parole. [music] But according to Cynthia's own recorded words, he did not come up with it alone, and it did not start the week Angela died. She says they had been planning it [music] for 2 years. What you're about to watch is the interview that happened after she found out the police had heard her say it. Um, Detective Divvens already read you your rights. Like I set up at the school when you were transported down here. You were being detained at the time and you are still being detained at this time. We have some questions for you. Um, we have Richie down here. See him? Okay. Um, do you know why we have Richie down here? No clue. No ideas whatsoever. Nothing off the top of your mind. We've arrested Richie for the murder of Angela Wilder. >> You tell me. >> Cindy, we've been doing this investigation now for five weeks. >> We We haven't been sitting here doing nothing. We've been putting in a lot of hours. We've been working with a lot of other agencies and people and the evidence when we talked to Richie before the evidence or he said the evidence will show the truth or something similar to that and that's that's he was right. He made us he made us go the long way around but that was right. We have evidence backing up the fact that we arrested you. Okay. And we also know that you know more than what you told us on day one. And that's what we want to talk to you about. We know a lot more about Cindy and Richie Wilder than we ever wanted to know. We know a lot about your personal life from your electronics and from people that we've talked to. And again, it's a lot more than what we wanted to know or that anybody should know, okay? But we're we're talking about the death of a human being. Whether it was a human being that was liked by you or not, it's the death of a human being. Okay? And we want to visit with you about it. And we want you to be honest with us this time. I have nothing more to say. >> Oh, we know that you do. Okay. >> You You told us that you know that you do. Actually, when it comes back around to it, >> we have a lot >> you lied and I can show that you lied. >> Sydney, we have a lot that we want to share with you, too. That may be a surprise to you or it may not be. That's that's up to you. But it's stuff that I would think that that you would want to know. >> Are you okay with that >> stuff about me? >> Stuff about Richie and you. >> Both of you. I mean, when he says the last five weeks, I've gotten to know you and Richie Wilder really well when I didn't even have to talk to you. I know more about you guys' life than I I care to know. And I don't, you know, I'm I'm kind of 50/50 on what your relationship, your marriage really is like, either behind closed doors or not. >> I talk to >> who did we talk to? We talked to a lot of people. I bet you we have at a minimum 30 different statements. >> That's from family members, people I work with, everybody. I don't mean any disrespect by saying this, Cindy. I'm I'm a little bit confused about your relationship with Richie. I know he's your husband, but I'll tell you what, he doesn't you don't fit the criteria of the other women that he's sleeping with. >> My husband's not a cheater. Do not accuse him of that. We don't have him. We have proof >> from emails from Angela. >> No, >> no, we're not talking about Angela. We're talking about Jennifer. We're talking about >> a coworker that we watch her kids sometimes and she cooks food. >> Okay. I I was afraid that that might have been the story that you were doing. >> I did too. This is Jennifer, right? >> Yeah. >> This is Jennifer and this is Jennifer Lynn Padilla or she also goes by Jennifer Lynn Wang >> or or JLo is who he calls her in his follow. >> Yeah. We sat right in front of Jennifer just like we're sitting in front of you right now and Jennifer told us about the sexual relationship she's had with Richie since the beginning of the year. >> Well, then that's awesome. >> Congrat No, we're not trying to to to offend you or piss you off with that information. We're not >> because I know it's not true. But you're trying to rattle my bones. >> Okay. You want to know what else? We can pay. We can play the recordings. >> We can show you >> recordings at your house, recordings at my house, recordings at their work. >> Cindy, we wouldn't do this if we didn't have proof. I'm not out to throw people under the bus. I'm not I don't want to. >> So, it sounds like that from Exactly. from day one. >> No. No. >> I can understand. >> If my ex-husband died, I'm sure I would be the only suspect in that situation, too. >> We haven't had one suspect. We we've checked into other people, but Cindy, I can >> Where's Chris at in all of this? He just disappeared. No, >> no, we know exactly where Chris is >> the whole time. We've known where Chris is. >> Okay. And I can understand you saying you're just trying to rattle my cage. That's totally I would be thinking the same thing if I was sitting in your seat. I I honestly would, but we can and I am so so sorry to say it because I I was under the impression that that you knew about some of it. Um, but by seeing your reaction, I don't think you did. Okay. And what I I I mean, there's more than one. Jennifer and Richie were were uh trying to have a baby or she thought she was pregnant even at one point. um >> twice twice two months back to back she thought she was pregnant. >> And and as Detective Matias shows you some of the other photos, you're going to see the type of women that that he's been hooking up with. And that's what I that's I didn't mean to disrespect you. That's what I was school and ask inappropriate questions. He's [ __ ] years old school and asking appropriate questions. I've got that interview, too. No one asked inappropriate questions. I didn't. He was there. >> What do you think was >> if dad kisses other women? That's completely inappropriate. >> That's not what the question was. >> What was the question? >> Now, you have to remember too, it's an adult asking. No, I'm sorry. I don't Okay, that's not the question I asked. We got information. We had to follow up. Okay. information from who? Her daughter who thinks she's a [ __ ] fairy. >> No, >> it came from an adult >> that they work with probably follow up on it. >> Okay, here's here's the thing. I'm being completely honest with you. I wouldn't throw pictures in your face. I wouldn't say this stuff. >> Well, it's just a picture of her. I can say that on Facebook. I >> That shows me no proof that she slept with my husband. >> I have the proof. I have messages after messages after messages after messages. >> That doesn't tell me that they slept together. >> There's people at the hospital that knew they were sleeping together. >> Did they see? Did they record it? >> Your husband talked about it through text message with >> that doesn't prove [ __ ] That's text message. Do you want to look at my phone conversation I've had with other men? >> No. She's [ __ ] ugly. >> That's Joanne. She She's at the hospital. You met her at the hospital. You know who this is? No, >> that's another one. >> And that's not it. >> He's got relationships with all three of these women and they're together. >> And they're recent. They're recent relationships. >> Not because of text messages. >> No, she was We sat down and talked to her in person. She sat in that chair. >> 100% sexual. That's all it was. She doesn't really give a [ __ ] about Richie other than >> sleeping with him. >> You know what? Richie lost his job because of these little [ __ ] Richie lost his job because he lost control of his anger. >> We have his employment records. We know what happened. Yeah. Because >> not because in your words, not because of these little [ __ ] >> They love him. >> Mhm. >> They love him. She She is still loves him. >> Yeah. Because your ex-husband was a [ __ ] psycho. >> They got married for things for her. Do you know that? >> Yeah. >> What does he pay for? What do you >> Well, I don't know. She's He's helped her out with car, with rent, >> and she's made us food. >> I help people out all the time. >> Okay. But he's also been having sex with her since at least >> Well, I want to see proof of that. Do you have it on video? >> I don't have it on video. I've got tons of Oh, it's her in front of me. >> I don't care what she [ __ ] says, >> Sydney. I think we have We have her on video, don't we? >> We have Joanne on video saying >> we interviewed her in her apartment. >> I don't want to see a video of them saying [ __ ] I want to see a [ __ ] video of them having sex with my husband. That's what I want. I don't believe you until I see that. >> Sydney, that's that's ridiculous. We We have these women talking about having sex with Richie >> and he talks about when they had sex. He he goes into detail about the sex they had with them. >> Absolutely. And in person, we've heard it from them. It's not a coincidence that at least three people that I have pictures of have been having sexual relations with your husband. That's just not you don't that I mean back to back. >> He hid their number in his phone under a male >> under JLo. >> No, >> I knew that >> she's Steven in his phone. Steven. This is Steven. Does this look like Steven? This isn't Steven. >> Steven's one person or multiple people? >> This is Steven. >> Okay. This girl is saved and his phone is Steven. >> Okay. >> And he deletes all of his messages. >> I don't look through his phone. I don't give two [ __ ] >> I trust my 100%. >> Well, then you're wrong. And we're not doing this to piss you off. Okay. This is Richie. We've We have dug into his life and we've looked at him under a microscope. This is your husband. Okay? We're We can play you recordings of of us talking to these women. We'd be happy to do that. We can show you videos of recordings that we've done. We can show you and have you listen to recordings of all many of his co-workers that say, "Yeah, I'm aware of that. Yeah, I'm aware of that. I'm aware that he's doing that. Yeah, he's in a relationship with her. She works down in >> You know what? If you went to my previous employment, people would probably say I was having an affair with other people, too." People like to [ __ ] talk said that. >> You went to people at my old job. >> Yeah. the group home that I used to work at. >> No, I'm talking about Roosevelt School. >> The last school that you were at? >> Nobody said that. Are you having an affairs with other men? >> Currently, no. >> Were you then? Or >> never since I've been married to Richie. >> Okay. Well, he is busy. He's very busy away from you. >> And I feel I'm going to tell you, I feel very I feel bad for you. I again, I'm going to reiterate five weeks. Five weeks I've gotten to know your energy. Okay. He is lying and lying and lying to you. And I hate that I have volumes and volumes of evidence of that and and it just kept coming up because I see Cindy as someone that's always home with the kids or at work or uh it's just you your your circle is just so small. Well, Cindy doesn't get to do all the fun stuff Richie does. >> Because I choose not to. >> Cuz you choose not to have affairs, which is the right thing to do. >> Doesn't have this wild crazy life that you think of either. He used to work 12hour shifts and then he'd come. >> But he made time. No, he made time after work to have sex with these women. He did. And I understand and I saw it. I didn't have to talk to him. I didn't have to talk to you. I saw what he was doing to you over and over again. Why is he deleting his text messages? He doesn't want to get caught. >> I don't look in his phone anyway ever since. >> I'm not saying you had to. You didn't. You didn't have to look in his phone. >> It's a trust thing. >> So So you understand a whole different life. >> It deletes them from you, but when we run the forensics, it brings them back up. We see the deleted content. >> I feel for you. I feel for you. I see that the kids are a struggle all the time. I absolutely I saw that day in and day out for you. I see the struggles that you've been having. I know you were trying to get pregnant. I know you're pissed off that people around you were pregnant. I feel for you and it's absolute [ __ ] that he had this whole other life. How is that fair? That's not. And you're at home taking care of your child with Richie and these two other children that I'm sure you do love and care about. But how is that fair? He is a manipulator and he has been for a very long time. And I think you do love him and you care about him because he's your husband and he's the father of your children. But he has been living a complete other life and it's not fair. >> They're lives. >> Wives. And you know what made me sick about Jennifer is that you know Jennifer. You know where Jennifer lives. You know that Jennifer watches your children. You know that Jennifer makes your food. >> You know her children. >> You know Ivory attended parties. You know Ivory, >> their daughter. Yeah. >> Yeah. The birthday party at Oak Park. I think it was Oak Park. >> And all along he's been sleeping with her on the side. She two months in a row. Two months in a row she thought she was pregnant. And I'm going to tell you this, he was happy about it. How is that fair when you're trying to get pregnant? >> How are you always happy about it? >> Because I could see the writing. >> He was never pissed. He was never pissed. Jennifer told people at the hospital that she wanted to get pregnant by him that she saw them being >> Yeah. There was also people wanting to buy his sperm at work. >> I don't know anything about that. I see Richie abusing everything he has in his life, >> taking advantage of everything. >> Who wanted to buy his sperm at work? >> Well, I don't know specific names, but he just said, >> and again, no disrespect, but he was given that sperm away. >> Did you know that Angela was pregnant? >> No, I did not. >> She was. >> When she was murdered, she was pregnant. >> How long was she? I don't have the exacts, but we have confirmed with our medical examiner that she was pregnant. >> Was it Christopher's >> Christopher Jackson's? >> Are you thinking that it might not be? >> Mhm. >> And why is that? >> Because I know her history also. >> Okay. >> She cheated on Richie with Chris while he was at basic training. >> While Richie was at basic. >> Yeah. I mean, this was before they got divorced. He's She's always been cheating, right? The whole their whole marriage. >> It was Christopher's. >> The baby was Christopher's baby. >> She was pregnant when she was murdered. >> She was pregnant when Richie killed her. >> Don't say that. >> It's the truth. That's the evidence that we've gathered. >> What evidence? >> It's scientific evidence. >> There was a weapon used. >> We cannot change the scientific evidence. It's solid. >> I want to know what the evidence is. You're accusing my husband >> of cheating on me of having sex with these three women >> and now of killing Angela. >> What do you want to know? >> Yeah. >> I want to see her dead body. I want to see exactly how >> grave. >> She's she's been buried. She's been laid to rest. >> Well, I want to see a picture. I want to know exactly. You have this evidence. What evidence? >> Scientific evidence. And when I say that, that means DNA. You can't mess with DNA. You can't change it. You can't take it away >> that you got from our house when you searched it without a warrant. >> We have DNA. >> You gave us consent and that's >> because we're harassing us. >> No. Nope. >> But but it's not from your your residence. We have DNA evidence that we took from the Honda. We have DNA evidence that we took. >> Of course, there would be Rich's DNA in my Honda. >> Of course, Rich's DNA is in there. Whose DNA shouldn't be in the Honda? Whose blood should not be in the Honda? >> Nobody's blood has ever been in the Honda. >> There is blood. There was blood in the Honda. >> Whose blood do you think was in the Honda? >> I don't know. >> Well, I'll tell you. Angela's blood. >> Where was it? >> It was in the Honda. We're giving you information. We are >> not out here to hang you. Real information, >> huh? This is real information. >> We don't We don't This This isn't a [ __ ] time. Somebody's in jail for murder. We're not bullshitting you. >> We're not telling you the truth. And again, I'm going to explain again. It's DNA evidence. It shows exactly who it belongs to. >> And it's not the only DNA evidence. That's part of it. Do we owe it to you to tell you these things? No, we don't. But we want you to tell us what you know. That's why we're sharing these things cuz we know you know more. Were you with him when he did this? >> I was at home. >> Okay. >> Did he stay at the house at all that night? >> Yes, he came home after work. >> Okay. What time did he leave the house? when >> that night >> he didn't leave the house that night. He did leave the house that night. >> No, he didn't. I was up several times with the kids and he was out cold. >> That's not true. >> That's not true. >> And let me tell you this before you say anything else or we go further. Don't dig a bigger hole for yourself because you're in that hole with Richie right now. I will tell you that. Don't make it bigger and deeper. and understand that we're used to people digging holes. Everybody does it, but the deeper you go, the harder it's going to be to get out. So, you've told us one version which parts may be true, but it's not the complete truth. We know that it's written all over your face. And you know what else is written all over your face? You look tough. And by that I mean you look like you're worn out by the same tired and worn out. >> You want to teach 20 kindergarters the week before [ __ ] Christmas. >> Okay. >> But but but a month ago, 5 weeks ago when we sat with you in the principal's office, you look the same way. >> I I looked like this since I was probably 6 years old because my mom's [ __ ] every guy with a belt. I had to take care of my kid, my my kids, my brother and sister all through high school. I move away to college. What does my sister do? She drops out and gets pregnant. What does my brother do? [ __ ] He's been in and out of juvie since he was 14. And guess where he's at again? >> He's in [ __ ] jail again. He just got out two days before Thanksgiving. >> Okay. And how old are you? >> 25. >> Okay. That sucks. That sucks. And I'm sorry that you've had to live that life. And I'm sorry that you're having to go through this. I truly am. But everybody hits bottom when they're in a situation like that. >> Well, this is not bottom. >> Well, I think you've hit bottom. >> Far from bottom. >> I think you've hit bottom. Your husband is in jail for murder and you're drugged into that mess. And you know more, Sydney. Were you 100% involved in this? Were you standing there when she was killed? I'll be honest with you. I don't know. >> I was at home. >> Okay. But you know about it. >> I know what you've told me and what I've seen in the paper and on the daily news app on my phone. >> Yeah. that there's information that you know that has certainly got your mind going >> and your vehicle >> at the very least >> your vehicle was at the crime scene. We know your vehicle was there. >> Your vehicle. I understand you both own it, but you drive it. >> Well, most of the time I drive it, but Right. >> Were you driving it that night? >> No. Okay. There's blood on the passenger door of that vehicle that belongs to Angela. How did that get there? >> You're positive. It's not >> positive. >> Absolutely positive. >> 100% positive. >> Well, I don't know why her blood would be on my car door if she supposedly died in her house. >> Because who killed her was in your car. That's all. the man that I don't think gives two shits about you, Cindy. He may care about you again as being the mother of his children, but other than that, you saw the three pictures. That's what he's >> pictures of three Asian women. >> Yeah. You want to know how I found them? through the phone numbers I found on your husband's phone of sexual talk and conversation or I've sat in front of them and they've told me about the sex they've had with your husband and I can narrow it down to the exact days and times for that conversation with the text messages on his phone. >> It you don't want to believe that Cindy and that's understandable but it's the truth. That's the type of person we're dealing with here. Did you help him with any of the evidence that relates to this crime? >> I was at home. >> Okay. But did you use your vehicle to haul any of the evidence that was used in this crime? >> No. >> I mean, was a car seat is that was that a weapon used? Cuz if if that was a weapon, then [ __ ] I've got two car seats in my car right now. Hell, I've been hauling them around since we bought them. I don't know. Was that the weapon? >> No, >> I don't know what's in my car. That was the weapon. >> I don't know what you're >> She was stabbed with a knife. >> Okay. Like Like a knife like anybody has in their kitchen. Like >> No, like a a folding knife. And I'm going to hold in my face. Pocket hold like a >> Sure. My brother >> my dad or his dad. I >> mean there's all different kinds, but I mean that's that's that's how she died. Are you guilty of anything to do with this crime? >> No. >> Okay. Well, then work with us. It's time to You've been cleaning up. It sounds like you've been cleaning up. >> A long time. >> You've been taking care of everything for a long time. >> Yeah. And it's not it's not fair, but I don't Nobody deserves a life like this. You say that. Yeah. You're in your small little circle at home with with just just the kids there and everything. Me, too. >> And that's what I want, too. That's that's life to me. Not out running around carrying on a life over here and a life over there. That's not my idea of a great life. It sounds like we share the same idea of what what it should be. But you and Richie don't. He likes that, too. From all the information that we've seen and from research that we've done. Yeah. He likes the family life, too. But he's not about to give up everything else. What do you know about his involvement in this? >> That's not true. >> And I told you that first day that we interviewed you at the school that I it was just your everything about you just sitting in front of me. You know more now I know that you know more at that point now I look at you and it just I'm back again tired worn out I know you've had the depression We talked about it with him. The baby stuff. You've got so much weight on your shoulders and he just is just sitting in this room the last 20 minutes. He has added a ton more weight on your shoulders. He doesn't care. He doesn't That's not fair. You have children that you need to be at home with and care for and love. And it pisses me off even more that in a sense he doesn't care about his kids either. So reckless with his life that now you're having to sit here right now with us. and he's in jail. You look petted. You look petted. Your baby. You look worn out. I know you've got some health problems that you've been battling, some female problems that you've been battling. It's like one thing after the other. And I'm sorry that we have to give this information to you, but you're wrapped up in this just as much as he is. It's probably the norm for you to feel this way and to and to look run down, but I know that it's not 100% of the time because our research has shown where you're happy and fun and you look healthy and and recent stuff. So, I mean, it's but it sounds like your life has been tough probably as long as you can remember. Why did you hate Angela so bad? >> I don't think I've ever said I hated her. >> Why did you dislike her to the point of calling her a [ __ ] or crazy dumb? Because Sunday after Sunday, I could see and the complete different kids they were after being a week with her and then it takes 2 three days to get them sleeping properly and eating properly. And cuz over there they do their routine. It took a while, a couple days to get them into like a routine, right? A healthy routine. A healthy family routine. That bugged you. of his job because it's stressful and it adds more work to the day. >> And on top of that, you still have to pay her money for the kids. >> Yeah. Cuz she lies about the income that she has. And that's stressful. And you want to know what pissed me off is the fact that he's helping Jennifer out. But I mean, really, take care of your first family. Take care of of your wife and your kids. >> You're saying I'm not taken care of? >> No, I didn't say that. I'm telling Richie you shouldn't be taking care of Jennifer first. >> If you're looking for somebody, I'll say it. You're not taken care of. >> Because I'm tired. >> Because you're tired. You're >> you're whether you're physically abused. I can't prove any of that. I'm not going to sit here and say that because I have no proof of it. But are you mentally abused? emotionally abused. Yes. >> Not from Richie. >> Yes, you are. He does not take care of you. That's not >> cuz he's too busy taking care of other women. >> And I think he's the type of person to where if he made a commitment to one of these other women, um, they'd probably slip right into his same routine because he's that's the type of person he is. So he'd have a house with them, raise kids with them. >> He talked about it. >> Yes. >> Yes, he did. >> I don't know what the plans were. I I would assume that he would have divorced you then at some point. >> And I I know that him and Jennifer talked about you guys not being together. And let me say something else that's probably fair to you. Are we trying to rattle your cage with some of this stuff? We said we said no, we're not. But yeah, you're right. >> I watch Law and Order on a daily basis >> and we are I don't I guess I don't look at it as rattle your cage, but I'm looking at it as putting it on the table where it needs to be seen. Um, so we are trying to I mean for us to sit here and say we're why else would we be talking about that? So, you're right on that. Have I been looking forward to talking to you to see if you knew about this? Because I couldn't imagine any wife that's okay with this lifestyle. Yes, I I have been looking forward to this meeting. And I kind of knew pretty quick that you didn't have a clue about the sexual relationships that you had. >> And I felt bad for you. >> But some people told us you knew about it. And I thought, "Wow." >> Yeah. >> How is that even possible? >> I still don't believe it. We can say I'm in denial or whatever, but until I see >> that's fine. >> My husband having sex with another woman. >> It's going to come out. It's It'll come out when we when it's time. >> It's going to be a he said, she said situation. >> Okay. Yeah, cuz we don't have video of it. We have these women >> interviews >> and and women that will testify to that. I mean, it's these are women in his his life, Cindy. I needed some. >> And it wasn't just like in the last month. This has been going on for months. You're not You're not the damning piece of evidence that we need. I mean, it if you were, this would have taken place a long time ago. Richie is under arrest. That's not going to change. He didn't respond like you're responding to us. He didn't respond. I mean, if somebody showed up and and told me that they have an arrest warrant for me right now for murder, I'd have a lot of questions and I'd be saying, "You know what? You got the wrong guy." >> You know what he said to me? said, "Okay." And he knew we were coming. >> I think you both knew that eventually we were coming. >> Is that fair to say? the school. >> You weren't surprised to see me at the school when I told you in the classroom door that you're going to come with me down at the police department. You didn't ask one question. You weren't curious whatsoever >> because I know from watching TV that anything you say is used against you even before your mind to you. >> No, I don't think it's that. I don't. I think in the back of your mind, you knew that you would be down here at some point or you would see us at some point. I I think you knew that. >> What could be used against you if you did nothing wrong? >> Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out. >> I can tell you right now, if you did nothing wrong, you're not in trouble. You know that Richie murdered his ex-wife and he killed the baby that was inside her stomach. Regardless of who Angela Wilder was, that baby, >> we'll never see the the world and they wanted kids. They wanted more kids. They wanted >> Oh, cuz their five passenger tiny ass clown car proves that they want more kids. >> Do you hate Chris? >> I don't even know Chris. I see him on Sundays. I used to see him on Sundays when I picked up the kids from my chief >> and and hate I know is a strong word, but so so to be fair, Chris has done nothing to you. >> He's just he's in this because of >> he's trapped because he I don't know what he saw in Angela, but started [ __ ] her and got pregnant with I don't know whatever Christopher's little baby and then got trapped up here in North Dakota. He [ __ ] didn't want to be here. Who [ __ ] wants to be in May not North Dakota? >> Who? >> Are you from here? >> No, I'm from a [ __ ] smallest ass town Bulo, which is even worse. Moved up here for college. >> Okay, >> so you're essentially trapped here, too, right? >> Well, I mean, after going through college and I got a job, plan on being here for a while, my job. >> But you guys, did you talk about moving back to Alabama? >> Oh god, not to Alabama. >> Okay. >> Been there twice. It's shittier than mine. >> Okay. Well, okay. So, why was Richie looking at houses in Alabama? >> Cuz they're cheap. And you buy a house down there, then you can rent it out and have a second income. His brother lives down there. They're thinking about having a business together. But, >> so, I'm curious about this. You're really angry for Daniel, right? I'm not >> I'm not angry at anybody. I'm angry at this whole stupid situation. >> Every time Every time that Every time that Richie shared an email with you, just forwarded an email from Angela to you. >> He never forwarded them to me. >> He read them right off of his phone or he sent them to you >> on phone. >> I have Yeah, that's that's what I mean. I'm going say every time your response was a a variety of dumb [ __ ] dumb stupid [ __ ] fat [ __ ] [ __ ] crazy psycho [ __ ] >> Yeah, cuz it's crazy. All the things in those emails are lies. >> So, you didn't mean it. You didn't want Angela around either. Obviously, you got to you got to you got to get the kids back onto a schedule every time you pick her up. 960s constantly. You're abusing, right? That's what they'd say. >> Yeah. >> And where' they come from, Angela? And piss you off. I knew you were pissed off at her the first time we interviewed you. >> I'm pissed off at about a lot of things. Am I going to go kill my mom because of the shitty child I have had? Am I going to go kill my sister because she doesn't know how to be a [ __ ] mom? >> We're not talking about your mom or sister. We're talking about the ex-wife of your husband. >> Do you have anything in common with Angela? >> Married Richie, had a kid with him. >> And at some point you'll both be the ex-wife. >> If you look at it that way, I guess he's going to leave me. I think eventually you will >> eventually. Yeah. Had this not happened and your guys' lives went on, there's no way that you're I mean there's no way that that would have survived that relationship. You would have eventually been the ex-wife and it could just as easily be you. I mean, if he had had it in him to do this to uh Angela, he certainly could do this to you, too. Because eventually, you know what? You're going to be the dumb [ __ ] that he's having to deal with now. And you're going to be the dumb [ __ ] and the crazy [ __ ] [ __ ] whatever else to the other woman. And it may not, we may not be able to see that it was physical, violently physical between you and Richie, but at some point I think you would have caught on to his other life. And I don't think you're one to hold back when you find out something like that cuz you got pissed off at him when he didn't have his wedding ring on at work. >> He doesn't even have a wedding ring. He's never had a wedding ring from our >> You were pissed. You you you made a comment about all these chicks wanting him. We need to get a wedding wedding ring on that finger. Okay. I think you would have eventually found out about all his extra women on the side and you would have told him how pissed you were. Richie doesn't like that. He doesn't like to be confronted about his stuff on the side, his ladies on the side if he was still on the side. And eventually it would have got physical and he already lost his cool at work. That had nothing to do with any of those pictures at all. Nothing. That was on his own valition. He did that all on his own >> more than once. >> He lost control. I can I know twice. Once Trinity knows about. I know another time because he talked about it with somebody. >> Has he ever been physical with you? cuz that's strange to me because he he was in his past and with domestic violence that's what we see only >> [ __ ] had to be with Angela they just psycho maybe in the middle of marketplace and she'd just start swearing at him or >> but words are different than physically hurting someone. >> Yeah. And when they live together she would slap him. She'd slap [ __ ] didn't close the door properly years old. >> Is that okay? It's not. But that doesn't mean we cause harm to people and physically hurt them or get arrested for it. >> And you're hearing that. You're hearing that from Richie, right? Have you ever witnessed any of that from her? >> Witness Angela >> being slapping him or >> No, because anytime I see her, she's sitting in her vehicle, >> right? And that was on Sundays during the exchange, right? Just just Chris and Richie would exchange the kids, right? >> Mhm. >> Okay. I know Angela was mean. I've seen that. I've read it. I've seen it. I've heard about it. I know about it. I know she could be mean. I've read the emails. Regardless of how mean of a [ __ ] somebody can be, it's it's not okay to kill them. >> When Yeah, I believe that, too. And but the thing is is you're angry with her. It shows so much by the responses you have. They're just words. >> And that's >> when I say stupid [ __ ] like in those emails, it's mostly like sarcasm. Like >> and you can tell me that, but the way I'm I I read it and I'm not I'm this is physical evidence I'm reading. Read through a lot of it. That's how I know you guys so well. It's angry. And I'm not I'm not holding that against you. I can understand to be pissed off at her cuz she keeps throwing [ __ ] at you guys. >> Well, that's all it is. It's just [ __ ] It's her perception of the world. It's her >> deal. She's gone. >> We are still dealing with it. Going to be in counseling for the rest of her life. Richie made that happen. Richie killed her mom. He would have been in counseling regardless of Angelo being dead or not. Okay. >> You say Richie did it. >> Was going to counseling time. >> Now mother's dead. >> It changes the game a little bit with counseling. You may have been in that being going in that direction as it was and it's 10 times worse. And Richie just let it happen cuz he's selfish and he thought about his own him. He thought him. That's all. That's it. That's all he's ever thought about. He put on a good show. He was nice to you. He was sweet to you. He did show that he cared about you. I saw both sides of that, man. And I never had to talk to him. >> You know, when you look at relationships, too, and you're thinking she's a crazy [ __ ] or whatever. Okay, you see that in relationships. You're being fed information just within the circle of you and Richie and Angela and Chris and the kids. Okay. >> I see people in that in the emails, >> other people outside that circle that don't have that same connection or haven't gone through the divorce or anything or aren't related to that connection in any way. Um, talk nice things about her. >> She's a very nice >> Did you interview anybody who works at that marketplace food? >> Anybody from on base that had to deal with her [ __ ] >> Yes. >> Anybody from the family advocacy piece, the village where we used to do exchanges? We've interviewed a lot of people, okay? And I'm not saying that everybody had great things to say, but a lot of them did. Um, I I would imagine because I see it amongst my my co-workers and my friends, people that have gone through a divorce, it's it's normal. I mean, a lot of them, they went through a divorce for a reason because they just do not they do not mesh. They butt heads. Um, so of course they're not going to have it's not too often where people remain friends after the divorce. It happens. I mean there are some, but in most cases it there there is some problems just like there would be if you and Richie got divorced. And again, like we said earlier, it wouldn't be a matter of if, it would be when if he was out. There's I mean, we've talked about a lot of things here and and we'll sit here and I can't guarantee that we would answer any question that you have, but we will certainly consider it. >> We've been very open with you to this point. Yeah, but I still don't know if what you're telling me is truth or [ __ ] Which part? >> All of it. >> We're neutral. I mean, even though we're doing an investigation, we're neutral to the whole your whole relationship stuff. >> We would not make this up. I give you my word on that. Can we make this up? Yes, we can. >> But it's not. The courts have said that we can lie to people to to further our investigation or we can uh use deception, but we are not. This is the truth. We did not make up these pictures and just pull them off the internet. These are real people that Richie is involved in involved with. And I will take it a step further and Detective Matias will too because we've talked about it. Uh we'll show you if if we need to. Do we have pictures of him? Do we have a have we been doing uh surveillance where we've been taking pictures like they do on cheaters or something like that? No, we don't have pictures of him in the act. They don't even have pictures on You know what show I'm talking about? You say you watch Okay. Well, shows where they catch >> where they catch people cheating and stuff. >> They don't catch the act. I mean, they just catch them there. Um, but we know from his the content of his conversations with these girls that that he's involved. He would leave work with, is it Jessica? Is that her name? >> Joanne. >> Joanne. Okay. She he'd leave work with Joanne after they got off from working a night shift and they would go straight to her place and they would go there and they would have sex and she said, you know, I don't really she she did it 100% for the sex >> and it's all I would do it for too. I mean, what else is there? I mean, if you're having an affair with somebody, is there anything else? >> But but she's the only one that was like that. She's the only one that it was just convenient fun. It's almost like they were friends and it was just, "Hey, let's just go have sex and let's do it." She's the only one that's like that. >> Yeah. The rest of them. >> Well, >> just like Angela, >> well, >> he's attractive. >> Did you interview Jennifer's ex-husband? >> Yes. >> Michael. >> He's a real gem. >> Sounds like it. He likes younger women, doesn't he? abusive. Mhm. Yep. I know that this isn't a hodge podge if we didn't cover everything. We did. We've checked every box. We've crossed every tea, dotted every eye. >> And now did you talk to >> here? We're not We've covered this before with you. you've talked to a lot of people and all those people if if it comes to the point where everybody gets then then everybody will be out there and they'll tell everybody who we talked to. It's it's going to be record obviously it goes with his murder charges. Everything's taped, everything's typed out, every statement, every interview, everything. >> So what we're saying right now, it's all going to be typed up. >> Yes. I would guess there's thousands of pages that are part of this case file at this point. Cell phone stuff alone is thousands of pages. Richie did something horrible. And you know it. And it's time that you step up, Cindy, and be the mother that you never had. A lot of pe a lot of people learn from from their parents. A lot of people learn good. Most people learn good. >> Many learn bad. or experienced bad and you've experienced bad. And I'm not saying that I can only imagine that you took that bad and thought, you know, I'm not going to be that way. But it's time to it's time to be honest with us and uh decide that you're going to you're going to change cuz you need to change too and you know it because this isn't you are not comfortable in that body right now. Are you? Be fair. Be honest. I don't know. I don't know anything else. It is what it is. >> You do know more. You may think, "Oh, maybe this isn't that big of a deal or anything." And it probably isn't, but it would satisfy me to the point to where uh you're at least telling us what you know, but you're not telling us that right now. >> Why' he do it? >> I don't I still don't know that he did do it. >> He did it. We don't need to say that again. You don't you don't give an arrest warrant and put somebody in jail for murder and you don't have the proof that they did it. You don't do that. This isn't TV. TV's close to how things go. It's pretty close, but this isn't TV. We're in real life. And I'll say it again. This isn't just stuff getting thrown together. Everything is in order. And that's why he's in jail for murder. So why did he do it? Just like Detective Matise just explained, we're over that hump. He did it. Why did he do it? Because he hates her. Because because of money, because of the children. >> Why? >> You're asking me a question I don't know. >> I am asking you a question that I know you know. I know you know why he did it. >> This is your opportunity to tell us right now in person what you do know. But I'll let you know that if you talked about it through an email, if you sent them a text message, you talked about anything through Facebook Messenger, anything. And there's a slew of other things that you're looking for on either of your phones, we're going to find it. and then we do find it and it incriminates you into this. We're not going to give you the convenience of walking through the school without handcuffs on. When we get to that point where we can put you in with this crime, we're going to come arrest you tomorrow and find out. >> We're we're not there's no convenience to it because we're giving you the chance right now. This is your opportunity whether it's now or it's later. When we leave today, we don't say case closed. When an arrest is made, a lot of times that's when a bunch of the work starts. Yeah, we've done a lot, but we have more to do. There's more. Takes a long time to go through electronics and the content, >> but we'll find it. >> You're down here for a reason today. >> And that was so we can visit with you. This, like Detective Matai said, this is your opportunity. This is your chance. And believe me, again, I can't stress enough that we understand somebody digging their foot in. We understand that. We understand somebody not wanting to talk. We understand somebody telling one story and they're thinking, "Oh, I kind of dug myself into that hole or backed myself into that corner." We're not going to think anything bad about you because of that. There's many times where I've talked to people and they tell me something and then we have this conversation and then they just lean forward and say, "Okay, I did I wasn't quite truthful on this. I didn't do that. This is the truth." And I don't hold that against anybody because I understand that that's normal. >> Nobody deserves to be killed. >> Why would you deserve that? I don't know. I just I think it's just people get so wrapped up on everything. >> Cynthia Wilder was arrested in May 2017 and held at the Ward County Jail. She was charged over two things. Conspiracy to commit murder and her part in a failed attempt to break Richie out of that same jail the year before. In November 2017, she entered Alfred Please. That's not a confession. It means she disputed parts of the state's case while accepting that a jury would convict her anyway. At sentencing, prosecutors asked for 25 years with five suspended. Judge Stacy Louser gave her life without the possibility of parole. The judge spoke about Angela as a mother and said her children had been robbed of every memory they would have made with her. She also ordered Cynthia to have no contact with Angela's family, including the children. Richie Wilder is serving life without parole for the murder. Cynthia Wilder is serving life without parole for helping to plan it. Angela Wilder would have turned 33 that September. Three children were left without a mother and both of the people responsible are in prison for the rest of their lives.