But I I was standing over her bed and I just couldn't do it. And she woke up and she just was trying to fight the knife away from me. >> Hey, I'm going to do something to my house right away. >> What's happening there, sir? >> I think my mom is dead. There's a lot of blood. It's broken. They killed my mom. >> Joe, what's your mom's name? >> Her name is Kathy Blair. On the night of December 5th, the Austin Police Department received this chilling 911 call. 53-year-old music teacher Kathy Blair had been robbed and brutally murdered in her home. The perpetrator left no evidence behind, but little did he know, he was accidentally caught on a night vision camera. This is 53-year-old Kathy Blair. Kathy was a mother of two, Hannah and Joseph, and had been divorced twice. After many years of putting others before herself, Kathy decided to pursue her own dreams. In 1994, she moved to Austin, Texas, the live music capital of the world, where she earned her master's degree in vocal performance from the University of Texas. Following her graduation, she became the director of the Christian Coral Society of Austin. Kathy found her dream house down in the peaceful neighborhood of Tamarak Trail in northern Austin. Life had been going great for Kathy, and everything was finally in place. On December 5th, 2014, Cathy's son, Joseph, popped in for a short visit. Joe was in the Navy and planned to spend a couple of days with Kathy before his new appointment. On the night of December 5th, Joseph went to have a drink with a couple of friends. After he left home, Kathy tucked herself in, hoping to get some rest for the big day ahead. Joe was gone for a couple of hours, and then he returned home at around midnight. That night, Joe walked into something that changed his life forever. Hey, I need you to come to my house right away. >> What's happening there, sir? I >> think my mom is dead. There's a lot of blood broken. They killed my mom. >> Joe, what's your mom's name? >> Her name is Kathy Blair. >> Police arrived to a truly horrific murder scene. Kathy Blair was laying on her bed, drenched in her own blood with her neck split open. Whoever killed Kathy left no room for mercy. Cathy's house had been torn open with drawers pulled out and multiple valuables missing, indicating that the killers came for something and left with it. Blood was found on the light switch and drawer handles. So, was this a robbery that turned into murder or a murder with a robbery coverup? That's what the detectives wanted to know. Unfortunately, it seemed like the killer had carefully planned this as he left no DNA evidence behind. With no witnesses, leads, or evidence at the crime scene, the detectives needed a miracle that would move the case forward. And the miracle that they had been praying for came at the perfect time. On the night of Cathy's murder, around 1:30 a.m., Rob, Cathy's neighbor, had been testing out his new thermoscope when he inadvertently captured footage of a man walking toward Cathy's house. At the time, he thought nothing of it. The next morning, he traveled and later saw the news about Cathy's murder. It was then that Rob realized that the footage he had captured might not be ordinary, but rather could potentially be of Kathy Blair's killer. This wasn't enough to identify the suspect, but at least now the police knew the approximate time of the murder, as well as the suspect's gender and height. The police could also identify the type of car the suspect was walking towards. Or perhaps he was actually heading in the direction of his next victim. Sydney and Billy Shelton, 85 and 83year-old greatgrandparents, lived just a few blocks away from Kathy. The Sheltons had been married for 64 years and were enjoying their retirement years, spending time with family and awaiting old age to take them. Sadly, a ruthless serial killer reached them first. The family nurse arrived for her regular check-in and she noticed that the front door had been broken into. She entered unaware of what to expect and the sight that her eyes beheld continues to haunt her to this day. Billy and Sydney's house had been completely ransacked. Jewelry and other valuables were stolen, leaving the house in disarray. And as if the robbery wasn't enough, the perpetrators' thirst for blood didn't spare the aging couple. Billy and Sydney were brutally beaten and stabbed multiple times with a knife protruding from Billy's eye. The harmless couple was left to die, bleeding out in their own home. Upon arriving at the murder scene, the detectives concluded that the killings were committed by the same perpetrator who had murdered Kathy just days earlier. There was a serial killer on the loose and their choice of victims were harmless, vulnerable, unsuspecting individuals. Nearly a month had passed without progress for the detectives when they received a tip off. Someone suggested investigating one of Cathy's former staff members, Tim Parlund. Tim had reportedly done yard work for Blair previously and was soon to become a suspect. The informant described Tim as suspicious, convincing the police that he was worth investigating. The police visited Tim and his wife at the motel where they were staying. Tim was uncooperative, rude, and shut down the conversation very quickly. The detectives had a hunch that they may have found the prime suspect. So, they obtained a search warrant and returned to the motel. Around the same time, Tim was arrested for a traffic violation and brought in for interrogation on December 30th. >> I have a question because that's what this license thing is about that you're using against me now. Uh or that's where it originated from, >> right? >> Um I was asleep in that same van, asleep parked. Okay. And then they arrested me for parole violation for not reporting. >> Right. >> Okay. And then in the van, they found a little bit of marijuana. in the van. But they asked me, they okay, since the vehicle wasn't moving, >> right? >> And since it was just a very minor amount of marijuana, >> how could that get my license messed up? >> Uh, I'm not sure all the details on that, but I think that whenever you get arrested for marijuana, you have to do like a drug education program or else your license is even if it's not in the car, you or else your license can get suspended. >> Yeah. Part of >> Even if you're not even in a car. >> Yeah. Yeah. And even on >> Okay. Well, that's how my license ended up being suspended. I've never had any traffic violations or anything like that. >> Um I want you you you gotten on our radar. I want to get you off our radar as I possibly can. >> I don't understand. That's >> But I'm going to be straight up forward with you because I because I I try to be as straightforward with people. >> We should always be that way. That's the best way. So, and that is that you're you're someone I'm that we're definitely looking at uh in association with this murder that occurred. Okay. >> You you actually think that I did a murder? >> Well, I'm not saying that you did a murder. What I'm saying is you're someone we definitely have to look at and and and we have to do everything we can to try to get you off. So, this is this is where it's real important. Okay. So, so you have some association with with uh her and you may not remember it. Okay. With Kathy Blair. >> I I don't think I ever met her. I don't think I ever saw her. >> In reality, Parl had a lengthy criminal record with numerous convictions for assault, drug offenses, and burglaries, accumulating around 30 years of incarceration. His criminal history predominantly involved thefts, particularly jewelry related crimes, suggesting a specialization in this area and making him the perfect suspect. If you're enjoying this video, please make sure to hit the subscribe button. It helps the channel out a lot. Okay, now back to the video. >> Do you know anyone else who's been murdered? >> Uh, not that I know of. >> Okay. >> No, I mean, you're the first uh enlightenment of anything at all. and you didn't do anything but just briefly mention her name. And I was trying, the only thing I was trying to do was I was trying to put together my records because they got one of my briefcases when they stole the van. >> Mhm. >> And it had some I usually have a notepad of some type, right, >> and several pens. And I keep notes as to what day I worked, what work I performed, who owes me for the work. And uh >> so you know one thing that we did was and we had mentioned we had talked about how this um this murder that we're investigating, okay, >> is a um is a murder >> um that um that happened on the 5th. Okay, the 5th or the 6th. Okay, so the night of. So, we talked about maybe what you might have been doing or if you had been working and you said you thought maybe you may have been working that day. So, >> or I was with my wife, one or the other. >> So, we went to the um we went to your work and >> I think I was still employed there at that time. >> Yeah. And you weren't you weren't uh you weren't employed and you weren't working during that week. So, >> did he say what day it was he actually let me go from there? Yeah, I think I was on the last day you worked um there was uh let me see >> I know I was there Thanksgiving day for sure. >> 122 122 >> 122 and that would have been a uh >> that would have been the end of that week's schedule right there. >> That would have been a Saturday or Sunday. 122 >> probably. >> And this day that uh this thing happened is on a what day? On the 5th and what day of >> 5th. Fifth is a Friday. Fifth and sixth. So, we've been on a Friday, >> Friday night, Saturday morning. >> Oh, golly. Uh, she usually works early. We usually go to bed early. Uh, 8:00, 9:00. Uh, she usually 8 when she goes in at 3:30, 4 in the morning. Uh, usually we're in bed by 8:00 or, you know, around I think what we do is we put on wrestling or whatever show it is that she wants to watch, Criminal Minds or whatever, and we fall asleep to that. Parlan made a poor attempt to divert the detectives attention and steer the conversation away from the topic of jewelry, but little did he know it was already too late. So, so let me ask this because this is a key thing and this is something that might have happened is that does someone did anyone give you anything to pawn or give you anything and now looking back on it went whoa man I don't want to like I don't want to have that one held over my head cuz now that the cops are looking at it you know cuz sometimes people who don't have a clean record will get somebody else who get who can who can pawn stuff aren't red flag and stuff to pawn stuff so so that' be important for me to know because I don't want you to get hemmed up This was December the 6th and this is December the 30th. Let me think of this. >> This month, >> uh, no, because I I did have a uh gold nugget. Just a nugget. One of those. It looks like a nugget, >> right? >> Uh, I did have that. And uh I actually ponded it. Um but it's it's just a nugget. It has no uh >> Is that the only thing you pawn this month? >> Yeah, that's the only >> And where did you get that nugget from? >> I've had it for about gez about a year got it from originally. >> I'm trying to think. That's I'm trying to think now that you brought that up. So that golden nugget thing you said that you uh that you pawned this month you remember >> I don't remember if it was this month or I thought it was before Thanksgiving. >> Was that the last thing you pawn? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's Yeah, that's the last thing I've dealt with. >> You remember where you uh where you got it at? >> Uh I'm trying to think of where it's been about a year since I got that. In reality, the reason the detective inquired about Parlon pawning any jewelry recently was because they had discovered a receipt for a golden nugget pendant while searching his motel room. This jewelry belonged to Kathy Blair. And what's more, Parl had pawned it on the night of her murder, clearly exposing his lie. >> So, how much is this nugget? Uh, >> it's only worth about 100 bucks. It's just it's it's four or five g, six g. It's nothing. It's not nothing serious. It's just one little nugget that hangs on a chain, >> right? >> It's the only thing I can think of. >> The only thing I can even remotely think of is the day that you came by and I told you, I said, "Hey, I'm going to remember to look through to see, do I have any names or the list of the day when I worked at that residence, which was back in the summer, I believe it was, or spring or summer." It was It might have been summer. Uh it's been six months or so or maybe four, five, six months. What I don't remember exactly when it was, but I did at that time I always do that is I take notes of who it is that called me. What do they need? Okay. And I write that stuff down. And then like that particular person, I've worked with him before or for him before. Uh, we mended a fence on one of his properties one time. And, uh, let me see, what else did we do? Uh, oh, we built a pad at his actual residence. Uh, cow path, cow patty, cow path, something like that. 183 area. Uh we built a uh pad in his yard, acape, a designcape, >> and I worked with him then. He called me in on that. But I only go to any of these people they call me. >> When Parlan mentioned that he had previously done yard work for a landlord on Tamarak Trail, he claimed to have briefly seen the tenant, a lady who walked past him. What he conveniently failed to mention was that the tenant in question was Kathy. And do you remember having any contact with the person who did live there? >> No, I just remember her coming and going in some kind of a uh I want to say it was a Suburban, but I'm not sure. It could have been a Yukon or whatever. Some kind of SUV. A big SUV coming and going a couple of times. uh while you know actually talked to the lady while I was there. >> Okay. >> And uh just said, "Hey, this is this is Tim. This is the guy that does a lot of work for me and he'll be doing this job, you know, or whatever." Something like that initially. >> So just just quick question. Did we had asked we talked about this before, but I just want to clarify. So you never went into the house while you were >> No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely not. So, I mean, >> definitely not. >> You got to pee a lot. You didn't never have to go in and use the restroom in there. >> No, I'm kind of pretty I'll piss outside. >> Uh, yeah. No, I never do that. Unless, you know, if it's if if you calling me to go fix a broken sink or something, Sure. >> you're going to be there, you know, cuz I don't need no kind of, you know, anything, you know, where you think I'm involved with anything, >> right? Well, and and the thing is, and the reason I asked you, >> I'm kind of cautious about that. >> Yeah. I mean that is an important thing especially in this particular circumstance cuz you know obviously like we say one of the things we check is this DNA and even when somebody is uh >> you know wearing work gloves or whatever going in and out there still a lot of times they'll leave DNA uh there at the scene. So you know we like to make sure that someone's been inside that we uh that we make sure that we get them identified and that there's a a reason that they that they might uh we might have left their DNA there at the scene. Yeah. No, no, I don't do do not remember going inside at all. Uh, >> as a matter of fact, I don't ever remember even I think just one day, but I'm not even sure. Uh, I think one of the days Mr. would probably remember >> uh taking me having me meet him over there and taking me to just to show who I am to the person, you know. So, this guy's going to be back there doing that French drain. >> And uh like I said, never >> So, mind you have been in the house? >> No, I take my own drinks. I take my own drinks. I take my own food. I don't like you saw in the van, I got in the summertime, I'll take a container full of tea. >> Uh and then I go to corner stores, you know, grab a 99 cent bris tea or grab ice water. >> Uh don't I don't That's one of the things I just I'm a decent guy. Okay. So, I don't even leave my cigarette butts, >> right? >> Okay. I put my cigarette butts when I'm working. I put my cigarette butts in my pocket. >> And your officer, the one that which I'm hoping that's going to be fixed because it's going to cause me a lot of headache if I have to get arrested for driving while license suspended because then the parole people are going to come in. The last time this just recently happened, I ended up spending 90 days. I almost uh got my wife to where she thought I was doing some kind of you know, hey, you know, if you're gonna get in trouble all the time, you know, you know, this this happened. Okay, now as far as I know, okay, I'm just going to ask. I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure you would know. As far as I know, I need to be driving the car and you need to pull me over in the car. It's intriguing how Tim consistently attempts to steer the conversation away from its original focus, a trait rarely seen in innocent suspects. So, >> if he wants to give me a ticket, that's different, >> right? >> You know, I can pay the dang ticket, you know, but if he if he's going to let it go to where I have to get in a lot of trouble and has to deal with >> So, let's focus let's let's I totally understand your concerns. I'm not doing that, but I'm trying to I want to stay focused on the important thing. Okay. big. That's what I call little trouble. Okay? A ticket or even going to jail for a ticket. That's little tiny trouble. Okay? Big trouble is murder. Okay? Murder is big trouble. And that's what I'm really trying to get steer you away from. >> So, let me just ask you a question. Do you know anyone else who's been murdered this month? >> Shouldn't be a hard question. >> Who's been murdered? You mean >> this month? >> Uh, yeah. somebody uh she went to some funeral in a church thing for something. >> Uh >> who did? >> My wife did. She actually we I couldn't go. I was actually working. Uh uh somebody from our church. Um I didn't know them, but they're from our church. >> The detectives already had an answer to this question. While searching Tim's room, they asked his wife if she knew the Shelton's. And indeed, she did. So, what did you what did your wife tell you had happened to the two people? >> Uh, I don't think she knew other than just whatever the paper said. Uh, she read about it. Um, only thing I remember is we were laying there and she read something in the paper about it and then she looked at me and she had a couple tears in her eyes. So, I said, "What's wrong, baby?" And she said she knew those people. >> Oh, >> okay. So, or maybe not knew in the sense of like firstname basis or whatever, but knew you know them from the church, you know, knew that they were members of the same church. >> So, let me ask you, actually, we're talking about stuff from the apartment. Um, so >> that's the only thing I can think of in a backpack. You have a backpack. >> Uhhuh. >> And there was some jewelry in that backpack as well, including some in a box. >> Oh, yeah. That's uh actually uh It was bought uh it's actually uh a blue and purple stone silver ring something like that and it's in a case and it was actually bought uh uh and that should have been I think there's only a watch or two that I old couple of old watches I used to wear them all the time like you do but I don't anymore and >> so there were a lot of jewelry bags in there like uh you know like the bags that you buy jewelry in that sort of thing >> little velvet bags or little plastic bags. Yeah, I keep a few of those around for that. I actually have things in them, you know, like usually I'll put it up. >> If it's not junk for the kids to play with, I put it up. I put it away, >> right? >> And it would be inside one of the bags. There's nothing stolen, nothing related to a murder or anything in there. >> During the search, the detectives noticed some jewelry that Parland had failed to mention. When questioned about it, Parland claimed that his sister had gifted them to him for Christmas. >> I'm a little concerned. I mean, when I see stuff, I mean, I will tell I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I just have to I have to look at things in an objective way. You know, >> check out your records for back with me and I will actually even, you know, given the chance, I will actually show you all receipts for everything ever bought from the pawn shop. And there's a stack like this. >> Sure. >> Okay. So I I don't do it. I did it a lot in 070809. I kind of sort of messed with trinkets a little bit. Uh but kind of quit because of financial, you know, you can't afford it. Uh but I have the receipts for everything, you know, that I've ever bought. I have the receipt. It's a big stack of them. >> It it bugs me a little bit. When I stepped out of my van, they didn't have weapons drawn on me, but they said I was not under arrest. Okay. I asked you, "Am I under arrest?" >> Well, I think at that moment they were detaining you, so they had made a decision at that point. >> And I and Well, I always want to know. >> Know I always want to know what, you know, it's going on. I try to be alert to that. >> Well, and I and I'm trying to keep you up to date on what's going on. One thing that's that's going on for sure is that we're, you know, conducting a murder investigation. Here's an interesting thing. Okay. So, as we discussed, okay, you're >> Are you liking me for this thing or are you liking to try to, you know, make sure that I'm not liked for this thing? >> Here's here's the deal. Okay. >> This is what I want. And this is not trying I'm not trying to be pat. Okay. What I'm trying to do is if you did it, I want to get the proof on you. If you didn't do it, I want to get you out of the way as soon as I possibly can. >> Yeah, I want to do the same thing. >> So, and here's what I'm running. >> I didn't do it. >> I get it. But here's what I'm running into. Okay. So, >> you're looking for anything >> you got there. But here's the thing, too. Okay. And some we just discussed and um and that is that. So, you have Kathy Blair over on Tamarack, right? You were over at her house. >> Well, I Yeah, I heard you say the name, but I didn't She didn't contract me or anything or anything. I went in know her. >> Here's the deal, too. Okay. >> No. >> Weird coincidence. The Shelton's, you also have a connection to the Shelton, too. I don't Okay. I don't I mean I I I didn't know them or anything or anything. >> You go to the same church, >> but you got And your wife knows them pretty well enough that she >> she knew them, but uh I didn't. They're separate. >> And just just to be on the safe side, you never been in their house. >> Never been in their house >> because she did my wife did massage and stuff like that over for them at their house. >> She had said something about she knew them. >> Yeah. But I was >> So you never went? Oh, I I didn't have nothing. >> I just want to make sure that's again when we're talking about just making sure that if we see something, we have an explanation. You know, it's like I ask you everything that we've done, everything I've seen that concerns me, I ask you and you give me an explanation. Okay? Like, I ask you, you give me jewelry, I ask you, you give me an explanation. And that's that's what I'm looking for. So, when I'm asking you stuff, I want to ask you, >> I want to make sure we put it all on the table for explanation. Okay? And I'm not trying to BS you. I'm not trying to do it, but it is just kind of weird that >> I thought y'all were looking for >> You just happened to uh you happen to know people uh that were um that were >> Well, duh this month. Okay. >> How many people? >> Well, three. There was the Sheltons were murdered and Kathy >> the Shelton more than one. >> Yes. >> She had just said it was the lady. >> Well, maybe she just knew the lady. >> Yeah, maybe that's what she meant. Yeah. So that's a weird coincidence. It doesn't mean that you did it. Okay. Okay. So that's a weird coincidence. >> Parlund's demeanor in response to the accusation is indeed peculiar. An innocent suspect would typically react with shock and defensiveness, perhaps even being too stunned to mount a defense. However, Parl's animated denial is concerning. His attitude towards the murder, coupled with his chuckling when denying involvement, is disturbing. His behavior resembles that of someone accused of minor transgressions rather than a reaction fitting for being accused of triple murder. >> Wouldn't have known anything. I'm trying to transpute it just in my head and it's not. >> But as you see, there's a lot of coincidences that are going on. So that's that's what and in my line of work, coincidences kind of set off a alarm bell. So we we have to look at those. You can rule them out though, you know, or it takes a lot of work. Rule them out or rule them in either. That's the process that we use to rule it out. >> I'm sorry because this process is kind of not not uh >> So so on the 15th, do you have any recollection of what you might have been doing on the 15th? >> Oh, yeah. We do that every night. We sleep together every night. I mean her she works 4 to 12. >> So, >> right. >> Every unless I go do laundry and that only takes about an hour. Sometimes she'll go to bed at 8:00 and I'll go do laundry and get home at 10:00, you know. You know, cuz I'll leave right when she's going to bed and I'll be back in bed and then as soon as I get in bed, she wakes up. You see? She knows I'm there. >> So there are always I speak with her every night. >> This month there wouldn't be any situation where she said, "Well, I got home from work and he was gone or uh he came home uh or he left, you know, sometime during the night uh unexpectedly." Nothing like that. So, over the last month, just to be clear, so that I'm I'm 100% clear, um we wouldn't find um any record of you being anywhere out at night. >> No. Yeah. Not late at night. >> You're always You're always >> Yeah. You Well, 10ish, you know, it's the latest, you know, >> by 10. So, after 10 or so. >> Yeah. After 10 or so, we're in bed, you know, for sure. The detective asked Parl a trick question. It was to know his state of mind. And his response was interesting. >> I always ask people, "What what do you think should happen to somebody who did that?" >> Oh my god. Uh well, I don't know any of uh how it happened or what happened. Did they shoot him or what or what? I don't know anything. But uh I would think that if they were church members of our church, they were good people and so they need to be punished, >> you know. I mean, I can't really step up. I did my 15, >> right? >> You know, and I did it. It was tough. >> Sure. >> So, they should have to do I actually did There's people coming in there for >> and other things like that. >> Less time than you. >> Huh. >> Doing less time than you. >> Yeah. I did less time than that. you know, and and and and then not only that, >> it seemed like I got the raw shake every step of that 15. >> Every time there was a little disciplinary this or that or whatever, I got it was because they had a big hand and there's no other law to supersede the like you have laws or morals to go by, >> you know, preferably morals over laws, but both >> and there was never any of them, >> right? >> You know, in any of the dealings with me. >> So, you don't you don't think in in a situation like that. I mean, >> they should be punished severely. >> You don't you don't think there's redemption uh that can happen uh for someone who did something like that? >> We're taught to believe that in our Bible study class, you know, we're taught to believe that they're, you know, that that they can uh the worst people because Paul was a murderer. You know, we're taught that that they can be saved by God, right? >> But I would think that it would take God himself to be a part of it to do it. For clarity, the expected response would be for the suspect to say, "Justice must be served." without asking for the specifics of the murder, especially because three people were brutally murdered. But that wasn't all. The detective decided to ask another trick question, which Paron evaded yet again. >> This is I'm not saying you didn't. I'm But I'm saying this is just a mental exercise. If you did it, would you tell me that you did it? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. You asked me that already. No, I asked you if somebody else did it, but if you did it, you you would >> at this point stage, I'd have to tell you because you already Yeah. I mean, if if if I did this, you know, and you're asking me, >> ask me that again so we can clarify >> cuz I don't know if the road I'm not saying you did anything. I'm just saying if you did it, if you killed anybody, would you tell me? >> Sure. Yeah. At this point, >> why would anyone tell? >> I don't know. We're we're we got all our cards on the table, right? you know, so it's kind of just between two guys, >> right? >> We both put our bridges on at the same time. >> You know, you're losing a little more hair than me, but just like on a path of life, you know, and we're just two men. Now, why can't I meet a man fairly? You know, that's one thing I stand on is >> you saw it. You met me the other day, >> right? >> I met two men, which is not cool. It's supposed to just be one-on-one, >> right? >> You know, but I met two men. one guy he's paying the bad guy deal or whatever. He had a kitchen as crawl that day >> and he dug first. He could >> I have common sense and I'm looking I looked I looked at the van. The van's a freaking wreck. You can tell if that was a previously used item or not. Or you could tell if it's been there a long time. It's got dust and dirt on it. >> You know why? It was a a ruse or a trick for him to take them, you know, or something something wasn't right in the taking of them because I was, >> you know, he was being cautious or careful. >> Well, see, I don't, you know, but to me, they're just I have so many. My girl just bought me a brand new one. >> She bought I ain't even opened it yet. You know, that was a Christmas present. You know, >> I'm gonna say something. I'm just gonna be straight up honest with you because I'm gonna tell you what I'm thinking. I hope you don't I hope you don't uh >> take offense by it, but I but I try to be as honest as I possibly can. Okay. >> Sure. >> This This is what I suspect. Okay. And you can tell me if if I'm wrong or not. >> Okay. I damn will. >> What I what I suspect >> I got anyway again >> is that we'll take care of just a second because I know you can't don't have long but uh so one thing I suspect >> and and the jewelry and stuff makes me think this is that and also a little bit of your background. I know that that's a long time in the back past, >> but people uh you know, I know people sometimes go back to their ways and and that is I suspect that you might be doing some burglaries. Okay. I think you might be doing some >> maybe maybe working people's houses and going in and doing them. >> No sir. Okay. >> No sir. I'm not in shape for it anymore. Right. >> I don't got the mind for it anymore. >> Well, how much in shape you got to be >> to do a burger? >> You pretty much got to be I don't even know if my ticker would take it, >> right? >> You know, because you >> you get it amps out. Your your heart kind of races and you're in this, >> you know, from the old days, if I was to explain it, it's like doing a big old bump of M something, right? >> I don't know if I could handle it. >> Oh, just just the heart rate of being inside. >> Yeah, just I don't know if I could handle it. I wouldn't do good at it if I did it. Before the murders, Parlland's van had reportedly been stolen and later recovered. Now, in an apparent attempt to deflect suspicion from himself, he told the detective that he believes whoever stole the van might be responsible for the murders. >> Why would that person who stole your van then somebody >> can't if they can't get along with me during the course of something to come to a happy medium just like you and I did? There's something to miss with them. >> Sure. Okay. Maybe they're capable of murder, but why would they murder these particular people? >> That I would not know. I wouldn't I In other words, I don't even think that there's any cor I think I don't even think there's any correlation. >> Okay, so here's the deal. Um, >> and hopefully you got some halfway decent. >> I'm going to send uh I'm going to send these guys I'm going to send uh you back with these guys uh these officers. They're gonna take control of you again. Uh they're going to take you back out there, okay? Out to where you live at. All right. They're going to issue you a citation. Uh, a traffic ticket for the driving with your license. >> And ticket a warning ticket that I just had to pay. >> But here's here's here's the thing. Okay. I And I understand the situation. >> Yeah. Because I have to answer for it and it's going to cost me a lot of headache. And you don't want to call headache. I have to explain it to her. >> Well, you already have to explain this. You have to explain that you've had contact with me, correct? >> Yeah. She's going to ask me just explain the whole thing. Say, "Hey, listen. I was driving. I got a traffic ticket. They brought me in and they talked to me. Okay. Not not a big deal. I don't pretend like other people. I don't pretend that I'm a human polygraph. That I can look at somebody and tell if they're lying to me or not. >> What does your gut tell >> sometimes? Sometimes I I can, sometimes I can't. >> After 20 years, you got to have a gut. >> So, you know what my gut tells me is that you're that you're that you're a talker. You talk you talk. >> I'll tell you the truth. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, so what what I rely on is the facts. So, you give me a lot of facts. We've talked about a lot of stuff and I can check those facts and those facts check out that I know that you were telling the truth. If they don't check out that I know you weren't. That's that's how my lie detector works. It's pretty easy, you know. Uh it's it's based less on >> handcuff me when they >> No, no. They can take you back. >> Okay. >> Without the handcuffs. All right. Just stay here. Okay. >> Okay. If Parlund claims he's not the killer, then who is the man in this footage? After Parlland left the interview, he was arrested for possession of a class B substance. While in custody, he confessed to the burglary, but he implicated his friend Sha Gant Benalcazar as the killer. Additionally, the police received a lead on the car seen in the footage. A sedan registered Tim's sister. Upon searching the vehicle, they discovered a wealth of incriminating evidence. Firstly, there was dried blood in the car, identified through forensics as Kathy Blair's blood. The detectives began thinking that they were near closing the case, only to realize that they had barely scratched the surface. The truth behind the murders was far more shocking than they had anticipated. Shaun Gant Ben Alkazar lived in Galveastston, Texas, approximately 4 hours away from Austin. Shaun Gant had zero criminal record. Gant was a Navy veteran and held a degree in microbiology from the University of Texas. Sha Gant Ben Alcazar was renowned for his high intelligence. About a year prior to the event, he had been employed as a high school teacher in Galveastston. However, he had since resigned and taken on other lawful employment opportunities. He was not the type of person typically associated with a case like this. Essentially, Shawn and Tim were like words and their opposites, making it highly improbable for them to be jointly involved in any criminal activity. Despite their conviction that Tim was their prime suspect and was merely implicating Gant, the police decided to interview Shaun Gant nonetheless in order to explore all leads. So on January 9th, 2015, Sha Gant was brought in for an interview. So we talked on the phone a little bit. So I mean obviously you kind of know what the deal is. Um, we're investigating um a murder in Austin and in particular we're uh we're looking at Tim Parlin as the person that we we believe committed the murder. >> Mhm. So, um, you know, what we're trying to do is when we talk on the phone, obviously, uh, you mentioned you coming to Austin sometimes, um, and that, uh, that you were, um, and that at least on one occasion, you stayed with Tim, uh, at his place. >> Um, and of course, we also mentioned that Tim had thrown your name into this whole mix when we interviewed him. So >> that's why we're here because we have to basically eliminate you as a suspect before we can move on with uh with Tim. And that's kind of what's holding >> I got it. I I'm curious cuz I'm completely in the dark on this. Um who was murdered? >> Um so to begin with um we're not going to be able to say a lot about Yeah. >> the actual murder that we're investigating and it's not just you but just in general. We haven't talked a lot about these murders because it works to our advantage because when we talk to people >> um when they tell us things um we we know that they're being truthful with us. So we don't like to um say a lot. Um >> Oh, you mean you don't want to lead them? >> Right. Exactly. >> And we want and we want to hear from people that we talk to what they know, not what they heard about. >> Okay. And also with this particular guy, um there's no telling what kind of stuff he, you know, he might have been involved with that would be interesting outside of that, you know, the murder in general. So, you know, we don't want to, uh, we don't want to focus too much just on on that. So, I want to point out to you, you probably already realized this since you came in voluntarily, >> that you are, >> uh, you're not, >> you know, in any trouble. We're not arresting you. You're not under arrest. You're free to go anytime that you want to go. and all that. So, anytime you want to help sometimes make people mad. So, if you make me mad, make you mad, you just you just leave anytime you want. You might not be able to find your way out. I have trouble finding a way out. I can't help you with that, but we'll get you out if you want to go. Okay. So, it's important that you understand that totally uh >> I'm not one of those people who's going to be, you know, my mom my mom's an attorney, actually, and she she was like, "An attorney should be present." And I was like, "Well, why? They're going to tell me not to say anything." And the thing is, honestly, I um I want to help you guys out because um you know, this guy, you know, Wolf and Sheep's clothing basically, >> right? >> Um you know, didn't tell me anything about his his past. And you know, I I'm starting to feel like he set me up like a psy because >> you know, he he set me off that night. you know, he's like, "My girl's there, so you can't stay there, so uh take off." And I'm like, "What am I supposed to do?" He's like, "Well, I'm not going to babysit you. Just go do something." >> So, tell me, when did you first meet Tim? >> The very first time I met him, I can't remember the date, but it was a long time ago. Like, it was this year. Of course, >> Gant had initially met Parland through his sister, who was dating Parl's nephew. Although they barely knew each other, this was enough for their relationship to grow. >> Um, so I want to go back to the specifically the day that we were talking about, uh, the 5th and the sixth. Um, you know, the day that you came into Austin and you tried to play and that is very important day because that is the day that the murder happened. That is the night that the murder happened that we were we were talking about. So, was there anything that Tim was doing, I mean, in retrospect, looking back now that I just told you that, >> um, that you say, "Okay, well, that's that could be important." You know, something that I saw some way or something he was doing, um, anything like that. I have a bad eye for that sort of thing, but I'm going to try to think. Um he he kept bagging stuff up. He was bagging some stuff up. >> What was he bagging up? >> Um just like trinkets and [ __ ] >> And what do you mean by trinkets? >> It just looked like um hard to explain. It's not It wasn't really like jewelry. It was like um almost looked like belly dance stuff or something. It was just like random, you know, it was like I'm trying to think. It was just just random junk and it was like but it was like shiny random junk. See the thing is um he talks constantly, >> right? >> And like you space out, >> right? And so he was constantly talking at me and then he brought something out and then I was just like I was zoned, you know, >> and he was like showing it to me. I don't remember what it was. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, he really You've talked to him, right? He just yammers on and on. >> Yes, he does. >> It's evident that Gant has a lot to say about Parlon. And although nothing he said is particularly untrue, his comments could be a scope to have the detectives feel he detests Parl too much to have anything to do with him. >> When you first got there that night, what how was he dressed? >> Um, let's see. He was fully dressed. He was uh he had pants on, a shirt, and like an overshirt. >> And do you remember the colors of these? >> Fairly dark. What about his shoes? >> Um, I can't remember anything but dark clothing. So, the shoes would probably be dark, too. One of the things that he had done is that uh Tim had convinced him to go on a burger with them. and um went out, they drove around and one of the things he says that uh he went with Parl on one of these burgies and stayed out in the car while Parl went inside and and then uh and then returned. So, um you know, obviously, you know, that was kind of it was good that he he told us that so we understand kind of what's going on. >> Um now, if done that on uh on the burglary or on a burglary and then it turned into a murder, obviously that would be something that we we're interested in. But of course, if that's what would have happened, let's say that drove up with them and then Tim went in, he thought he was driving him up for burglary and Tim went in and actually killed someone and came back out, then that would be um uh you know, that would be problematic. However, you know, for for as well, however, there's a big difference between who had no idea that that was about to happen >> and Tim who planned to do that and and >> Yeah. >> So then and then you left. Um and then you drove around for a while. >> Uh and you came back around 4:00 a.m. >> Yeah. >> So here and I told you um you know there's like a lot of different different pieces of information we have. You know, it's like a big puzzle. We're always trying to put it together. That's why it's very helpful for you to be here because you help us put this information together, you know, and make sense out of it. So, >> one of the pieces of the puzzle that we have is that if you're familiar has a camera >> um that covers that back parking lot where Tims is at. I don't know if he mentioned it to you. He railed about it all the time to me because of that uh his car getting stolen. He was so mad that um that the police had not checked that uh that camera. So, you know, of course, we're have to do our job. So, we made sure that we got that uh that camera recording uh for the whole really the whole month of uh of December. So, I haven't gone through it yet because I sent it to the corporate office and and actually got notified that it's here, but it's in the mail room with the police department. So, I'm going to that's sort of one of my next things I'm going to have to go look at to go look at this uh piece of um of video. So, um you know, it doesn't show like the front of Tim's uh um room or anything like that. I mean, that would be too easy. But it does show us, you know, stuff that's helpful to our investigation. Like for example, you can clearly see cars that are coming and going from the from the parking lot. So, what I would expect to see based on the story that you've told me is I would expect to see you arrive um and then Tim's van to leave at the time that you >> Tim's car >> Tim's car I keep saying that Tim's car to leave uh and then um Tim's car to return back uh and then for your car to leave by itself >> um at you know approximately the times that that you've uh that you told me that would uh that would occur. Would you say that's correct? >> Yes. >> Um, so obviously if I didn't see that, if I saw something different than that, like I saw Tim's car leave, um, but I didn't see it return or I didn't see your car leave and then come back later and then come back at 4:00 a.m. and all of that, I would be very concerned that, you know, by the story obviously. >> Yeah. The story wouldn't check out, right? >> Gotcha. So that's why I say, you know, when we talk about this stuff, it's very important, you know, to be as precise as you can. >> Yeah. You have to realize that, um, with everything that's been going on >> Sure. >> Um, a lot of this stuff has gotten muddled. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Um, but I'm trying to be as accurate as I can. >> Absolutely. Informing Gant about the presence of a camera in the motel parking lot was a strategic move by the detectives to gauge his reaction and potentially prompt another change in his storyline. Typically, a shifting narrative suggests a deceitful suspect. Not necessarily guilty, but certainly reflects a suspect concealing important information. But I think we can say for a fact that that you did not come to Tim's house and then stay in his apartment while he left, right? >> No. >> So if he left um with when your car is still there, you're with him. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Just want to make sure that I'm clear on that. So, um, so when you go, um, uh, so, you know, that that'll help clarify things, uh, immensely. Uh, my concern is, um, if I don't see that, um, because, you know, now we're starting to get into some kind of concrete things that we can explain. >> Um, so, >> so I guess this is the sort of thing that the defense would bring up, >> right? >> Exactly. They would say, "But wait, you know, this doesn't check out. Somebody else might have done it. >> You Yes. You took the words right out of my mouth." >> Because my mom's a lawyer. >> Right. Right. >> So that's why we have to make sure that um we do everything we can to clear. That's why we go to such lengths as to try to try to figure it out. So, what's really important is that if for some reason you stayed with him in the car that night, >> Mhm. >> we need to know that right now because we need to know, we need to understand the explanation for that. Okay. What kind of guy that this Tim Parlin is. >> Well, I'm starting to see he's a piece of [ __ ] >> Yeah. And one big thing he does is he uses people and manipulates him, tries to get them to do his dirty work or to participate, you know. I mean, We all understand that, you know, we understand that that whole deal. Um, so, you know, that's that's what we look at. So, so, you know, the thing that I'm saying to you and the thing that I really want to, um, you know, make clear to you is that is that, you know, really within a few days, we're going to know, you know, for for sure whether or not you were you were there when this happened. and and um so if it turns out you weren't then then that's is actually much better for me for my case. However, um I think that uh I'm starting to think that maybe you were, you know, that maybe you were there um in the thing. Like I said, I'm not saying you killed anyone. I'm I'm saying that maybe you were with Tim when he did this. Maybe you didn't realize that's what he was going to do. Maybe he and certainly I don't think you realize you were going to do a murder. Um but uh you know maybe he didn't even realize he was going to do a burglary. But you know the thing is we need to understand now because if that's what we find um if we find that that you're with him then you know then then we're going to have to make our own assumptions about what that means and what that what that is. In an effort to elicit a prompt confession, the detectives employed a strategy known as minimizing the crime, a technique from the Reed interrogation method. This approach was intended to encourage him to open up about the events of that night in the hopes of uncovering the truth. >> Um, and and you're not necessarily going to have the opportunity to tell your story at that time. So, you know, we want to make sure that you're telling us your story about about what happened and about um and and about why why that is. >> I mean, as far as I know, that's what happened. I mean, he um he went all over the place, you know, and uh he just he'd stop at he'd, you know, park in front of people's houses, you know, he'd get out at the I'd, you know, wonder where the [ __ ] he was, that kind of stuff. I mean, I didn't even know what what he was up to, >> you know what I mean? >> So, tell me about some of the houses that he parks his car. >> Um, well, I mean, he was just driving through neighborhoods and he was just talking about how how he drives the streets, >> you know, just talking, just the yammering again. >> When Gant was asked to describe the stops that Parl made during their journey, the investigation took an intriguing turn. So, did he stop in a neighborhood and get out of the car? >> Um, I think he did at one point. >> Okay. >> Um, but I mean it wasn't for too long. >> So, tell me about that. >> Uh, say he was trying to like um see if someone was there >> cuz he said that like um somebody had like jacked or something for drugs and um so like he went up to the the fence line or whatever disappeared there for a little bit. >> Okay. So tell me about like the neighborhood where where this was at. Was this the only stop that he made? >> Um yeah, that was the only time he stopped and got out in a neighborhood. >> Okay. So tell me about that. Um the neighborhood was like um fairly nice. Um it was uh broad streets um sharp right angles and um brightly lit uh corner. So tell me where did you park in front of a house? >> Um no he we parked um underneath a street light. >> Okay. >> Um that's why I said well lit cuz I remember there was a lot of light. >> I mean I was like out from the road most of the time and I was just tired and also that he gave me a cuz my back hurt from the drive, >> right? >> So I was also spacey. >> Okay. He got out for a few minutes and said he was going to check out if someone was there cuz they had like jacked or something and I was like whatever you know do what you got to do. So he got out and um you know went over to the house um and I just waited like a few minutes and he came back and said well I guess they're not there or something and and like >> unknown to Shawn Kathy's blood was discovered in the car specifically on the passenger seat. If he claims to have sat there, it raises the question of how the blood got there if not through him. At this stage, the detectives are convinced that Gant is concealing something. So, the pressing question remains, what exactly is he hiding? >> So, you know, one of the things that we that we talked about earlier is that, you know, it's very important that we not leave out details even when they're embarrassing. Okay? So, as I mentioned, our investigation is very thorough. >> Um, far more thorough than we deserve because we caught some lucky breaks. Okay. >> But I'll I'll tell you that. But I can tell you that there's >> there's there's some stuff about your story that I know is is not correct. Okay. So, so one is that the one big one is that I that I know that you know that Tim committed a murder that night. Okay, that's that's one of the things that I know. Maybe you didn't know it right at that moment, but you certainly knew it before we came in here and and talked or before I told talk to you on the phone about it. Okay. Um, that's that's one thing. Okay. So, um, so another thing that I know is that, um, is that you knew that you either saw him go into the house or that you went into the house with him or that you came and picked him up at the house. one of these things because from where you're describing, you couldn't have seen that house. Okay. So, the only way you knew which house he went into is because you either saw him going in. >> Well, no. The reason is because he drove by a few times. >> He drove through the neighborhood and pointed it out. >> Okay. >> And then he parked. >> Okay. >> And then I kind of watched him go and he just kind of disappeared from view. So, in that car, what car were you in? >> Um, the same car he always drives around in >> that. >> All right. And you were in the passenger seat. >> Okay. And the bag that he brought, did you see any blood on Tim? >> Nope. >> See blood on the bag? >> Nope. >> Did you have any blood on you? Nope. Okay. Then why is the blood from murder victim on the seat that you're sitting on? Why is that? Explain that to me. H So, so the problem here is that So, so I think you see what I'm saying. >> Yeah. >> Is that you're describing And what you're saying is it when people, and I find this all the time, this is something I see all the time. When people start swimming across the lake, okay, the thing I always like to say, if you're swimming across the lake and you get 90% across the lake, you haven't swam across the lake, right? Same with telling the truth. You tell 90% of the truth, you haven't told the whole truth. Okay? So right now, hey, these are things that we know and there's no question about it. Okay, both through our investigation and really frankly based on what you told us right now. >> You were at the scene where the murder happened. You were in the car. Okay. Uh that was used to get there and you're sitting in the seat based on what you said where we found the murder victim's blood. Okay. >> Yeah. it. So, okay. So, and I I don't expect you to have to explain that right now. Okay. What I I'm telling you that the reason I'm telling you that is so you understand. Okay. >> All of these things, all these facts that I have to present, I have to present them to grand juries and I have to present them to district attorney. I have to make sense out of them. Okay? I have to make sense out of them because if I leave it to them to make sense out of it, then um then they're going to think the worst. You know, they're going to say something like there's blood on that seat and you're sitting in that seat and the person who's sitting in that seat had blood on them. That would make sense, right? >> Therefore, the person sitting in that seat must have been the murderer. Okay? So, so these are the type of connections that that people make. Okay. So, so and what helps them make those connections and we've discussed this already and make those assumptions and think the worst is when um is when you say things that we know are not correct. Okay. >> With the detectives catching on to Gant's deception, they decide to initiate the first direct confrontation in the interrogation. If you're had blood on you and transferred onto the seat, then we need to understand why that is that you would have transferred blood. >> Well, the thing is, you know, the blood could have gotten on the seat after I got out, right? He could have had something that had blood on it. >> So, it's a liquid. It's a viscous liquid. It dries very quickly. We're both very well trained in in um blood stain recognition and and understanding. We've actually done as part of our training scientific tests uh where we actually do drying uh on the blood. So we know that that blood that um uh once it's dry is not going to leave the type of stain that we saw there. The stain that we saw there is from something that is saturated with blood, fresh blood that is not dried is transferred on the seat. >> So something with blood on it, fresh undried blood on it transfer on the seat. So it didn't happen >> 30 minutes later. It didn't happen an hour later. It happened. It could have been the sack short time after the thing. Okay. Did the sack have blood on it? >> Well, like I said, I didn't see it. >> Okay. But >> well, let me ask you this. If it could have been the sack, okay, and you're sitting in the passenger seat and it's possible that the sack the blood from the sack of the passenger seat, isn't it possible that he handed you the sack? >> Um, I I guess so. >> Okay. Well, so I guess the question would be, did he hand you the sack? Is that how the blood got >> I don't I don't remember. >> Okay. >> You know what he did with the sack, honestly. Well, we need to remember and you just had said it could have been the sack. Why are you saying it could have been the sack? >> Well, I'm just saying I'm just throwing out possibilities. I don't know how it got there, you know? I mean, he just stopped and said he wanted to check out these guys who supposedly jacked, you know, or whatever. And I was like, okay, do whatever. By presenting the suspect with options or scenarios, interrogators can gauge their reactions and assess their authenticity. What Gant doesn't know is the more he follows their storyline for safety, the more it exposes the fact that he is a big fat liar. >> Well, like I said, there there wasn't any kind of plan. And it was just like we were just driving around and he's just he just said something about these dealers who supposedly did some jack on somebody. I think it was I don't know. And he said I'm going to go check if their cars there or whatever. Just walked out. Came back with the sack. I mean, I guess he did hand me the sack and put it in the floorboard or I guess between my legs or something and uh >> Do you remember that happening? What do you guess it happened? >> Yeah, I actually do remember it happening. >> Okay. What was in the set? I mean, because I I know at some point all got together and look at what was in the set. >> Um, it's like uh a little bit of jewelry. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> What else? >> That's all I saw. I mean, I didn't stick around to look at everything. I left. >> And so, where where were you at when you looked at that side? Um, well, I I just took a peek at it when um, you know, he handed it to me. >> Did you see blood on the sack? >> Um, I I don't really think I did see blood on the sack, but I mean, there could have been. Um, it left a lot of blood. Okay. So if there was no visible blood on the on the sack, then the blood that we're looking at is not the blood that left that. >> Yeah. >> That's swipe. It must have come somebody's leg or somebody's who was sitting in the in the seat. >> So that's that's what we're trying to figure out, right? So let me let me just tell you this, okay? Because this, you know, I want you to understand how serious I mean, you know how serious. Yeah. Okay. I want you to understand that I'm going to I have to go back to him and I have to tell him, hey, you know what happened? He's going to and now he's had plenty of time to think about this. He knows what we've been trying to talk to you. He's got to assume >> you either denied everything or you give half ass story and then now Tim's going to fill in the details. Okay? >> So, basically what you're doing is you're allowing Tim to fill in the details. Okay? Hey, and that's cool. If you killed this person, then I think that's probably best for to let Tim fill in the details because you know what? What can you say? But if you didn't, we need the details or else Tim's going to fill them in. Now, Gant has unwittingly fallen into the detective's trap, using phrases like, "I didn't sign up for anything." to subtly remind them of their earlier statement. There's less trouble if he didn't know. Gant is attempting to portray himself as innocent. But unfortunately for him, it's also too late for that. >> I want you to be >> all right. Look, there is blood on the sack. >> Okay. I mean, I just like >> Okay, so that's >> like I didn't want to do the failure report thing because like I um it's just like I had no idea what the hell he was doing in there. Like I was out of it and he just said he was going to go look at the cars. came back with a sack. Had blood on it, threw it in the passenger floorboard, and I took a peek at it. Had jewelry in it, and I didn't want anything to do with it. >> When did you figure out that it had something to do with the murder? >> Well, I mean, the fact that it had blood on it was not a good sign, >> right? >> But I was like, >> did you ask him? >> Yeah, I did. I was like, you know, what the hell? And he's like, "Oh, well, things got messy." And I was just like, "What did you, you know, get me into whatever?" And, you know, he's just I was just like, "Drop me off, you know." >> Okay. And so I'm assuming you saw the news reports? >> No, I didn't see any news reports. I don't even know who got killed. That's why I asked you. Okay, >> this question is another trick thrown at Gant by the interrogators. They use it to see how much information the suspect has about the murder. And whether Gant likes it or not, his response reveals a level of involvement. >> So the you said it was a the white thing. It was a sack. >> Um it was like a pillowcase. >> Okay. And it was what color? >> White. >> Okay. And how much blood did it have on it? >> A lot. >> Okay. And what about Tim? How much blood did he have on him? >> Um, well, I couldn't really tell um cuz he was wearing dark clothing. So, okay. >> I didn't know whether or not. I mean, I think he had some maybe on his hands, but um I don't know that he had any on the rest of them. >> Was he wearing gloves when you went in? Um he was wearing gloves, but um I suppose he could have put them on, you know, in route cuz he had blood on his hands. >> Okay. And you saw the blood on his hands? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. When he gave me the sack. In response, the detectives then decided to ask him about the December 15th murders. >> I mean, I just >> Okay. So, but you went and saw him two more times after this, right? >> Yeah, but he never did anything by the whole thing, right? >> Well, I mean, he didn't involve me in it again. So, >> are you sure you didn't get involved in anything like this again? Yeah. >> You didn't go to any places where you went inside? >> No. >> You weren't sitting out like any any other burglaries? >> Um, I just want to be clear, we had talked about another date as well, and that is uh uh December 15th and 16th, which is a uh Monday and Tuesday. Am I right, Carrie? >> Yes. Sun. Sunday and Monday. >> Sunday and Monday. Were you Were you in Austin that Sunday or Monday? >> Quite possibly. >> Okay. And were you with Tim Paron? >> Um yeah, I think so. But I think I um I think I stayed back in my car and listened to music. >> Do you know what um do you know what he did with the jewelry like later on? I have no idea. >> I mean, do you think he still has it? >> Uh, he may he may have a cash somewhere. >> Where does he have a cash? >> Well, I mean, he wouldn't have told me that. I He just seems like the kind of guy who would squirrel something away somewhere away from his apartment or, you know, hotel. >> So, So, what do you get out of this whole thing? I I didn't get anything out of it because I wasn't promised anything. I didn't want anything to do with it. What I got out of it was not getting killed. >> After a short break, the detectives confronted Gant, stating their belief that he was the one who got out of the car and went into the house. They also mentioned a crucial detail that instantly made Shawn uncomfortable. >> Did Did he tell you he'd been watching the house? Um, he said he had some intel on it. >> What kind of intel? >> Well, he just said that somebody had told him that there were supposed to be certain cars there. >> What cars? >> Well, like I say, I don't remember the cars he was talking about. >> What What other intel did he say he had? >> That was all he told me. It was It was like he was worried about how many people were in the house or something. Did he tell you that there was a camera on the house at the corner? Uh, no. Is there? >> Yeah. >> H. >> Well, no. >> Did he tell you to go in that house and to call him when you were ready to come back out? >> No. >> You sure? >> Yeah. >> Because that's pretty easily verifiable right there. That's that's information that not going to be hard for us to figure out. So, that's why we bring it up. Okay. There's some there's some things about your story that just um concern me >> really. >> Um and one of the things that concerns me is the possibility you went in there and um and that you just she said you called Tim when you're ready to come out. Okay. Because that makes more sense on what you're saying. makes a lot more sense. You waited three minutes and you walked out and you're looking around talking to him and you know the guy's casing the place. Why are you standing out there in front of it? I mean, kind of blows it for him, doesn't it? >> Are you ringing his phone? I If I'm If I'm casing, sneaking up on a house, creeping up on the on a on the side of the house or whatever, and somebody rings my cell phone, I'm going to kick the cuz I didn't want to get caught. >> Well, I don't do this sort of thing. >> Yeah, but you're smart enough. You got a college degree. You You're not You're not dumb. >> Tired of waiting and I didn't know what he was doing. >> Sean, >> what were you in the house and you called him and told him you were ready to come out? >> No. Why do you keep asking me that? >> Because that's what seems like the story leads to. >> Well, it's that's not what happened. What else do you know about this story that you're not telling us? >> Nothing. >> I mean, I don't know what you're fishing for. >> Not fishing. I'm fishing for anything. We have We have video of the person got out of the car. >> We have video of the person that got out of the car. >> Okay. So, it's pretty easy to tell whether it's Tim Parlin or Sean. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, we So, we're So, you see why we're skeptical? We're skeptical about things that are that are going on. Okay? And so, and there's things about your timing that are just just not right. Okay, because we know exactly what time that you got there. Okay, to the minute um thanks to camera. Okay, >> as of now, the detectives know that the man in the footage does not have the same build as Parlon, leading them to believe it might be Shawn. To get Shawn to incriminate himself, they decided to set up another trap. We We know why the house was chosen. That's what led us to you. Because we know why the house was chosen. >> Why was the house chosen? >> Because Tim chose it. >> Okay. >> So, we know that. >> So, maybe I don't know. Did he bully you into going into the house or threaten your sister or >> what was the deal? >> Yeah, he was threatening my family. Okay. >> Okay. >> I told you I was afraid of the guy, >> right? >> I know. You know, he said my was, you know, saying his name too much and he was gonna kill her and I, you know, we're close and I couldn't let that happen, >> but I didn't kill her. >> Okay. So, what what what happened? >> Well, I mean, he told me to go in the house and get the stuff. I don't know when she got killed. I mean, like, she was asleep. >> Okay. you know, let's walk through because I want to I'm I'm interested to hear and here's the thing. I think when you walked in there, it wasn't in your mind to kill her. Okay. Um but I do know that at some point something happened and uh and uh and she died. Okay. So, I think he wanted her dead. He kept talking about how she had screwed over something, right? But and he kept telling me he wanted me to kill her, but I didn't. It's she didn't surprise me or anything like she never woke up. >> You can see Shawn going along with any story line that he thinks will provide him safety. But as his story keeps changing every few minutes, the detectives are increasingly confident that they are close to breaking him. >> So So let me let me let me walk through this here. Let's just walk through the steps of what happened. You walked in the house to the back door. You walked in. You turned on some lights. What What did you see in the rooms when you turned on the lights? >> Just uh couple computers and beds and and I turned them back off. >> Okay. >> And >> so tell me about then you Okay. So then where did you go after you went in there? >> Um Well, I finally found the room where she was. >> Okay. And he told me that, you know, I'd have to kill her cuz she would be wearing the jewelry, but I could see her hands and there wasn't any jewelry on her hands. >> Okay. >> So, I was like, you know, I wasn't going to get it anyway. I was just going to take the stuff from the jewelry box and say that I got the stuff off her hands, you know. And I guess I don't know, maybe later he figured out, you know, that he didn't get everything >> that he wanted to get and maybe he went back. I don't know. Well, let me let me just tell you this because Wait, because I know I know part of what you're saying is true, okay? But you're leaving out some important parts, okay? Because here's the thing. >> The things that you're describing, Yeah. If you did, we know were done after she died. Okay, we know that because it was blood and blood was transferred onto all those things you just described. You touched it was transferred on the jeweler box was transferred onto the light switches was transferred on that. So, we know that you did those things after she died. Okay, so let's talk about what happened. Okay, we're there. We are. We know. >> Yeah. But don't you think that somebody else could have come back and done that afterwards? >> It's not possible. And this is why because she was laying on the bed sleeping. She's not bleeding. Okay? And on the all the things that you did afterwards, you touched those things. Okay? You touched those things with blood on your hands. Okay? So what I want to do is move away from this notion, okay, that someone else did it because we know that that's not true. Okay, we know that you did it. Okay, we know that you caused your death. What we need to do is understand why. What was the reason that Tim told you that he wanted you to go on your knee and her in particular? He just said that was it. What he wanted, >> right? And did he tell you? Did he order you to kill her or did he just tell you to take the door? >> No, he ordered me to kill her. Okay. >> Realizing he has been caught, Shawn finally cracks open. She woke up. She lunged at me, grabbed the knife, started trying to wrestle it out of my hand, >> and then it was a struggle, and I stabbed her in the neck. I I didn't even want to do it. I was just It was I was trying to get the jewelry without doing it, >> right? And then she woke up and and I had the knife out, you know, in case, but I I couldn't do it, you know. I I mean, he he said I had to, you know, Tim said I had to or he'd kill my sister or have her killed, right? So, but I I was standing over her bed and I just couldn't do it. But so I started doing her jewelry and she woke up and she just was trying to fight the knife away from me and I was trying to she she almost got it away from me. She got one of my gloves off and and I was just I I don't know what happened. I I just blacked out. It I mean I I remember stabbing her in the neck after I got the knife back. I I just I I don't remember much else. >> Okay. And then what happened? There was a fight on fight I know there was a fight on the bed and then something happened after that. >> I um did she get away from you? Did what what happened? >> Well, I mean she she fell off the bed. >> Okay. What happened once she fell off the bed? >> I mean she just said go away or something. >> Okay. >> And that was all. I mean >> what and what happened then? >> I don't know. I was just I just >> I mean obviously at that point I mean you had to finish the job, right? I mean regardless of whether you wanted to do it or not. I mean you had to finish. So how did you finish the job? >> Well I mean I I told you I mean I don't even remember I don't after after the fight and the the first stab I don't I don't remember a thing. Um, in the first stab, how many times did you stab? >> Just just once is all I remember is I I just I just blacked out. >> What What did you take from the house? >> Just just the stuff from the jewelry box. >> Describe some of the pieces. >> Just rings and stuff. I wasn't even looking. I just dumped the drawers. I didn't care. I didn't want it. It was just what I was told to do. >> Where was the jewelry box in the room? was right by the door. >> Okay. And where did you dump the drawers? >> Right. Right next to the jewelry box. >> And earlier you said it was a white pillowcase. Where was that from? >> Um one of the other uh bedrooms. >> Okay. That was it. Just the jewelry out of the jewelry boxes. What you put in in the pillowcase? >> Yeah. The detailed explanation of the murder that Shawn provided was too precise to be fabricated. Consequently, the detectives asked if he had also committed the Shelton murders. Shawn vehematly denied this, insisting that Parl must have enlisted someone else for those crimes. After his confession, Shawn elaborated on how Parl had threatened him, claiming he wouldn't have participated in the burglary and murder if not for Parlland's coercion. Once Gamp was placed in handcuffs and led away, the police realized that they had indeed captured their mystery man. The police concluded that there were two possibilities, with one being more likely given the circumstances. First, Parlan was merely a greedy burglar who contacted Gant to do his dirty work, seeking to steal jewelry without any intent to kill. He had no reason to kill Cathy, let alone the Shelton, who were entirely harmless. Gant, on the other hand, appeared more interested in the killing rather than the burglary. The detectives were certain that Gant had murdered Kathy, and they were also convinced that he was responsible for the deaths of the Shelton. This conviction stemmed from the identical pattern used in killing both sets of victims. A pattern that was highly unlikely to be coincidental and impossible for another killer to have replicated. If only Kathy had been murdered, it might be more believable that a fight broke out and Gant stabbed her. However, the double murder of the Shelton suggested an ulterior motive. Consequently, it was concluded that Parlan identified the victims and drove Gant to the locations, while Gant committed the burglary and murders. Reflecting on these revelations, the detectives realized that Gant fit the textbook definition of a psychopath. Tim Paron and Sha Gant were tried separately, with Sha's trial taking place first. Shaun's defense argued that he was coerced into making a confession, claiming that the detectives had pressured him, >> that if I I didn't explain a reason for having done it, even though I didn't do it, um I would get the death penalty. >> They claimed this particularly happened when he took a bathroom break and left the interrogation room. >> No, I'm just wondering. They also added that he was on sleeping pills at the time, which impaired his state of mind, and that he said what he did just to end the interrogation and leave. >> Enforcement went down there, we believe the evidence will show, with the express idea, plan, purpose, and intent to try to get him to confess to something he didn't do. >> I felt like I I had to uh confess to this crime that I didn't commit. And if I didn't, the questioning was just going to continue. And even if I just stopped saying anything, I had been led to believe that that I they would quote unquote prove that I had done it regardless of what I said. >> All right. Um Sean, did did you go into Kathy Blair's home? >> No, I did not. >> Have you ever gone into her home? >> No, I have not. >> Did you kill Kathy Blair? >> No, I did not. >> Shawn's trial ended in a mistrial because one of the jurors was convinced of Shawn's innocence. Since the jury didn't unanimously agree on his guilt, it led to a retrial. This meant that if the second trial also ended in a mistrial, Shawn could possibly become a free man. The victim's families were devastated. But the prosecutors went harder during the retrial, giving it their all. >> Watch this. >> It was a struggle, and I stabbed her in the neck. I I didn't >> Look what he does with his hands. I was just >> He's retrieving a memory, right? Involuntarily, he's doing this. He remembers doing because he's the one who murdered her. >> Fortunately, in the second trial, Shaun Gant was found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Tim Paron, on the other hand, faced five charges of capital murder for the deaths of Kathy Blair, Sydney Shelton, and Billy Shelton. Tim Parlin was also sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Now, if you think this case was horrific, well, you need to check out my video about the evil best friend who got caught on CCTV.