We do have an arrest warrant, not for the shoplifting, but for a traffic ticket. So, we're going to put you in prison. >> Oh, my god. Let me get my clothes. >> STOP. STOP. HEY, YOU HAVE A WARRANT. >> LET ME GET MY STUFF. >> PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK. >> LET ME SEE THE WARRANT. >> SHE has a warrant. >> Let me see the warrant. What's that warrant? There is the warrant. Where is the warrant? >> We don't have to provide the warrant. >> No, you do. YOU CAN'T JUST COME LOCK ME UP WITHOUT NO WARRANT. >> On February 21st, 2024, a detective followed an anonymous tip to a residence tied to seven shoplifting incidents [music] at Target. Two outstanding warrants, roughly $1,483 in restitution ordered. The real issue is not whether the shoplifting happened, [music] it is whether the arrest that followed were executed correctly. >> All we have >> Big house. >> is female, about 30. She has a gun. Brown eyes. Number three. >> Hey. >> Hi. >> How are you? >> Good. How are you? >> Uh I'm Detective Franco with the police department. Um is there a girl that lives here named Cameron? >> Mhm. >> Is she here? >> It's my daughter, right? >> Is she here right now? I need to talk to her. >> 10 27 2 20 24 >> Let me go get my folder. I'm going to ask her on the phone. She's supposed to be at Target. >> Yeah, but they weren't there. >> Are they actually going to press charges? >> Hey. >> Hey. >> Are you camera >> Yes. >> Hey, I need to talk to you about some incidents at Target. >> Uh-huh. >> Um That you? >> Let me see. >> Huh? >> Let me see. Yeah, that's me. >> Okay. That's you in all those photos, ain't it? >> Mhm. Two of me, yeah. >> All right. Let me >> What what Okay, so what what >> I know this one's you. >> No, what's what's What what's >> I'm investigating these shopliftings. >> Okay. >> Uh I I need to >> That's me. >> Okay. Which other one is you? >> And that one the rest of them. >> Well, I thought they was going to say somebody to damn fight us on it. But >> No. [snorts] >> I thought you was with this >> No. This was just uh the 11th, she went there, and this was on the 29th. The same car's been going in there over and over and over taking stuff. But that one ain't you right there? >> Mhm. >> And this These These are the only two that you >> Uh >> I let you to my home? >> No. I did a bunch of research, and I went and showed these pictures on the streets, and somebody That's sent you here? Well, they gave me your name, and so >> And they stole my address from there. work. >> I I did research on you. Um Have you ever been arrested for shoplifting before? >> Is this a trial or something? Is she and is she or y'all finna lock her up or something? >> No, I'm going to take warrants on her, but I just wanted to talk to her about this situation and um so have you ever been You haven't been arrested for shoplifting, have you? >> I I was like 17, 18, something. >> I didn't even realize it, but I arrested you back in 2017 for a DUI. >> When I >> Look at the other one. The gas station? >> Mhm. >> All right. So We'll we'll deal We'll we'll deal with that. Um >> So who who watched y'all come to my house? B N? >> No, I drove myself. I I said I I >> Who gave y'all my address though? My address don't show up to none of the What car did you see come come to the store? >> Well, it's not registered to you, but when I look up your history, I I have this >> So what about the car I was in? Like was like at the end of the day like What is it like? Cuz I know how they say the car >> one car is linked I I linked, you know, to a whole >> So do it got anything like what I got going on? Do it got anything to do with the cars? Like do y'all Can I be able to talk to them? >> I haven't found everybody yet, but uh >> So who Who car have you seen? >> Uh it's a one registered to some lady that lives in Madison County. It's a >> Well, not going to lie, she don't got nothing to do with that. She don't got nothing >> A maroon like >> She don't got nothing to do with this at all like >> So you don't know who that other girl is in that? >> No. >> Whose truck is this right here? >> They don't got nothing to do with that. This truck just got bought the other day. >> Okay, well Here's the thing. You do have an arrest warrant. Not for the shoplifting, but for a traffic ticket. So we're going to put you in cuffs. >> Oh my god, let me get my glove. >> Stop. >> GET THE [ __ ] OFF MY GLOVE. >> HEY, YOU HAVE A WARRANT. >> LET ME GET MY >> PUT your hands behind YOUR BACK. >> Y'ALL CAN [ __ ] lie. You [ __ ] I TOLD YOU I DON'T GIVE A LET ME SEE THE WARRANT. >> She has a warrant. >> the [ __ ] warrant. What's our warrant? >> There's the warrant. Where is the >> We don't have to provide the warrant. >> YOU CAN'T JUST COME LOCK ME UP WITHOUT NO WARRANT. Y'ALL ARE NOT NO SHERIFFS. >> WE HAVE THE power to arrest you. >> Go get some handcuffs and a vest. >> We are not. Go inside and get her shoes like she's asked. >> I don't want to take nothing. >> Cuz they I told YOU NOT TO OPEN THE DOOR TO THE POLICE. GIRL, I CANNOT OPEN NO DAMN TELL YOU THEY STINK. >> IT AIN'T GOT NOTHING to do with anything. >> I DON'T LIKE THAT [ __ ] HOE. >> MAN, come on. >> Hey, let me lock THESE SO THEY >> Y'ALL ARE SOME [ __ ] LIARS. WHY AIN'T THE WARRANT THERE? PAY ME JAIL. >> We We just come. >> Is there some violence here? >> No, we're recording. >> Don't pull away FROM US. >> Y'ALL ARE SOME LYING [ __ ] That's why you wanted to my mama to have to [ __ ] lie. >> No, LISTEN. WE'RE TRYING TO CALM YOU DOWN. >> LOCK THESE so they don't get tighter on you. >> Y'all are some [ __ ] [ __ ] It's all right. >> Man, come on. >> Come on. >> I'm trying to. >> Just come on. Come on. >> I am trying to. >> Stop fighting me. That's a whole 'nother song now. >> Man, come on. >> I don't see nothing. >> No. >> That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm >> Stop. >> Go and get the shoes, please. >> Ma'am, I need my shoes. >> Why? Why? Why is white? >> Please go get shoes. She's asked for shoes. Let me lock these so they don't get tighter. >> Shut the warrant. Just shut the warrant. >> Will you listen to me for one second? >> It was I just for failure to appear on something. >> I'm going to lock these so they don't get tighter on your wrist, okay? Okay. >> We got her on charges and we confirmed the warrant. >> They do need to confirm the warrant, y'all. >> Locking me up on what? >> All right. I'll show you I'll show you the warrant when we get in the car to you. >> Don't touch me. Why you look at white people? >> Don't pull away. >> Oh my god. >> We're going to get you some shoes. Do you have anything on you that's some sticky you put me some you shouldn't have? >> I was supposed >> Huh? >> Stop talking to me, please. >> Okay. Well, if you cross the guard line to anything that took that would come up. >> I don't got nothing. I just [ __ ] woke up. Like, I didn't even wash my god damn face. >> I'll ask you a question. >> Damn. >> So what's what's all the charges really? >> Right now you're just going for obstruction and your WARRANT AND I'LL >> OBSTRUCTION TO WHAT? >> YOU PULLED AWAY when we CAME UP TO >> WHAT THAT'S a whole another charge. So what and then when I go to jail then what? >> Well then you'll get out and then I'll take warrants for the shoplifting. >> All right y'all some silly ones. >> Hold on to her and I'll go get my car and pull it over here. >> Yeah that's fine. >> Why the both of y'all got to follow me? I don't even got damn sense. >> They're getting her some shoes. >> [ __ ] touch me. >> He's getting her some shoes. >> Yeah can she sit right here? >> No can I get the socks that are on I need some white beans. I can't go in there with them. >> I don't know where none of that came from. >> Call me. You know you Are you missing May nobody answer no more questions though. No Nobody no judge or nothing. I ain't even seen that. All of a sudden I leave and this stuff going on out here. Sir what's your name? >> Why? >> I think that's your >> No the [ __ ] is mine. It's my god damn brother. What's wrong with y'all? >> Hey sir. Sir please you don't >> Do not do not >> I'm going to get the sheriff's office out here. >> Bro what the [ __ ] is wrong with y'all bro? >> You can get them. That's right. >> So that you know the white man in there I got a obstruction of Leo. Obstruction cuz I I she was resisting. Like I tried to fight these mother It's so silly out here. >> Pulled away. >> Talking to me. >> Pulled away. >> I'm not talking to you officer. Listen we'll deal with it. >> I don't I don't understand. He got charged with both but he a [ __ ] liar. Cameras out here. >> Man I I don't want to put no armor on. I can't go in there with them. >> Stop yelling at me. >> I'm sorry. Like I already know what >> You got it. You know what y'all did now? >> Well, he he had some slides for her, I thought, but then he turned around and disappeared. >> CADEN HAGEL. Y'ALL. >> WHOSE CAR THIS IS HERE? Who the guy whose car this is, is he here? >> No. >> We'll see. >> Your So, your warrant is from They signed it on the 10th day of October of 2023, okay? >> And what is for? >> It's a failure to appear. It's a regional charge, traffic. I can let you see it when we get to the car, okay? >> I want to see it now. My mama wants to see it. >> Well, I don't have to show it to her. >> Why not? Show it to me before you take me into the car. >> That's what she's That's what she's saying. It's once you're in the car, I'm sorry. >> Well, once she gets that, we'll go to the car. I'll search you, and then I'll let you see it, okay? >> Keep an eye on the outside, that other the other dude that he thinks might be Jeremy. He disappeared back into the house, so who knows if he might try and dip out another door or something. >> What the [ __ ] is wrong with them? >> There you go. >> Well, mama, like this is y'all house. Y'all can't do all this. Excuse me. Sir, what's going on? >> We just got here, man. We're just helping them out. >> Okay, that's what I'm trying to figure out. They talking about They talking about whose car this is. This is not no Jeremy car. >> This one's registered to him, it is. >> I don't see no warrant paper for nobody. I don't see no >> But this is this He's not in this. Is that >> We're going to go ahead and go to your car. >> Jeremy, let me get that shirt. You got a white boxer? >> They won't take They won't let you take them back in there, but you can take you can take the shirt and put it on her. >> Jacket you want to give her for now, a sweatshirt or something? >> Well, what is y'all problem with Jeremy? Well, what what's up? What what? >> The guy who owns this truck has a warrant. >> For what? >> He has a warrant. >> For what? >> For criminal activity. >> What? >> That's what warrants are for. >> I'm pretty sure that's the guy I saw in there that fit the description. >> No, it's not. >> Is he in here, Jeremy? >> No, I'm not JUST SAYING NO. HELLO. NO, don't step in that mother house. Don't tell me. >> Hey, sir. >> Cuz just cuz my mom don't know her rights don't mean I don't know mine. >> Do you know who owns this truck here? Jeremy >> I don't want to. >> Julie, you don't got to talk to this mother You don't know him. >> You want me to just slide it over to you? >> Julie, tell him to give me that long sleeve shirt. Julie, go get the long sleeve shirt to my mom. >> That's the guy I just saw out there. >> Julie, tell him to >> I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to you. I ain't got nothing to do with you. >> tell him? Okay, tell >> Julie, tell him to give me that long sleeve shirt. Julie, close it up. >> The one the guy who came out here to see >> She wants a long sleeve shirt. I need that long sleeve shirt. >> She wants a long sleeve. >> Ma'am, the owner >> We're not going We're not I'm going I'm going to go ahead and tell you I'm not taking you out of handcuffs cuz what happened over here. So, what I can do >> I want to see him come out here. >> Listen, what I can do is I can slide this over you. I can slide this over you. >> JUST DON'T NO, SEE you keep on and come out. >> WHAT YOU AIN'T GOT YOU AIN'T SHOWING NOBODY >> WHAT >> HIM. >> I GOT TO >> WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT? THAT [ __ ] >> I'M TELLING HIM RIGHT THE >> NOW, COME ON. >> STOP. >> Don't >> I don't There's a lie. >> mouth now. >> The clearest turning point Cameron is told she has a bench warrant, not for the theft, but for failure to appear on a traffic citation. She demands to see it. The detective says, "We don't have to provide the warrant." That statement is legally accurate. It is the exact wrong thing to say. Under Atwater versus City of Lago Vista, 2001, a custodial arrest for a minor traffic offense is constitutionally permissible. Officers are not required to produce the warrant at the door, but must show it promptly once the person is secured. That gap between technically legal and tactically sound drove the next 30 seconds and the obstruction charge that followed. >> Momma, take that thing off of her. >> So, ma'am, he has a warrant for abandonment of a child. If he comes out here, this can be taken care of easily. He can go with her and he'll be out in a few hours. If we have to get the sheriff's office, we will come get him. I don't smoke, sir. I don't smoke. >> Hey. Call me and tell her to come pick me up. >> Hey. >> You're Jerry, right? >> Yeah. >> No, you don't. >> You got a warrant for abandonment of a >> You have a warrant for abandonment of a >> It's still showing active, my man. >> Hey. >> Hey. >> Hey. >> Hey. >> There's abandonment of a child. >> Tom. Hey. >> Thank you for cooperating, my man. >> I did tell >> If they say that, if they say that, I'll talk to you, but it's in the system. It says abandonment of a child. I was here looking for her. I just thought I had the wrong address. I checked that tag and it showed you had the warrant, so. >> Man, can y'all >> We have a >> leave. I got to stay here. This too much attention. >> Get out of here as soon as we can. If you'll just lean up against the 911 right there, okay? I trust you that you don't have anything, but I just want to make sure that you don't get a felony when you get inside, okay? Lean up against the 911. >> Mama. Mama. >> Lean up against >> Come here. It's what? Come here. >> Work, 10-26. Lean up against the 911. All right, you got anything on you I need to know about before I search you? Lean up against the 911 for me. >> Thank you. >> It's silly, but people hide stuff in their belly buttons and that's where they're making us check now, okay? We're We're double-checking the warrant right now, okay? >> Yeah. >> You just got keys in a wallet right here? >> Mhm. >> Okay. You don't have any panties on or anything? >> No. >> Okay. >> Oh. Card is in my back pocket. They just asked you. Who it is. >> All right, I'll roll the window down. Have a seat right here for me. Slide in with the booty first. >> Mom, call me. 451 >> Um >> Let me >> 4880 >> You already know what you like. You already know what you >> For her? >> Yeah. >> Or for him? >> For her. You see he got a warrant for him. >> If you want to show them that, you want to carry that up there? >> She does not want it at this point now. She's in the car. >> Yeah. I'll go ask her questions. >> I'm going to roll the window down, okay? >> Yeah. >> You better not say [ __ ] poochie. Don't bring that hoe to my house no more. Junior say he saw a black car riding up and down this goddamn street yesterday. That was her fat ass. We done. Can y'all leave? What else you need? >> Appreciate your cooperation coming back out. That way we don't have to make a big stink about anything. And like he said, we're going to verify that and take Make sure it's still active. If you took care of it, but it's showing still active, you'll have to take that up with them. >> Yeah, they already got him on info net right now. >> Just do an ABR for obstruction for me. I'll sign the warrant. I'm writing all this up. >> Okay. >> What we doing now? >> Because he's saying that they already took care of it, we're going the extra step to verify with them that it's still active. >> Okay. Has he give y'all any problems? >> Him? >> Uh-huh. Can we just get how many does it usually take for one person? It's too much too many cars out here, y'all. She gone. >> She does not have to leave. >> Can somebody else leave? Please. >> need uh any more vehicles. >> one, two maybe. >> What we can do now that Higgy's here, if y'all want to get a 10-8, that way you can transport. So, whatever you want to >> There's a name right there. And then it's the misdemeanor original charge failure to appear, to yield road to vehicle pick up 30-mi radius for Clark County, okay? So, right here it shows the warrant was signed 10 10 of 2023. Okay. >> I happen to run the tag it's all I thought I had the wrong address, but I saw the guy whose truck that was has a warrant for abandonment of a child. So, I was like can't just ignore it. So, They say his was confirmed, too. >> Yeah, and that's the one that you were checking on just now. So, >> So, they said they said it's confirmed. So, the sheriff's office I've never even seen this charge to be honest with you. Like I said, man, wasn't looking for you. She's been stealing from Target pretty regularly. So, was looking for her and just happened to see your truck here. >> All right. >> What Target? Out of the >> Well, with that being confirmed, let's just go ahead and I guess we'll get you down there and you can get the process started. All right? >> She said she's only done two of them, but I I got to do some more research. It looks to me like it's her and she's done more than two of them. There's been like seven incidents. Same thing. Girl fills up a tote in the same car every time. I I I could tell cuz cuz some car it's some lady. >> The child support stuff? >> The child support superior court. This is what you're talking about, isn't it? >> What? >> I'm dealing with child support. >> Yeah, she claimed oh, it's >> Well, and we're taking your word on the fact that it might be related because it's that child abandonment charge. So, >> The municipal court and child support and the superior court. I'm telling you cuz I have >> We're going to verify the date. Do exactly what they tell you. >> [clears throat] >> But, if we're confirmed, then I say yeah, let's just go ahead and move and get done with this. Go ahead and stand up then, sir. >> If they confirm and mean you ain't going to wait and get no help. Yeah, I'm going to get you the phone. >> You want her to have her stuff? Yeah, she can have the phone. Do you want her to have the wallet and the keys, too? Oh, you going to get to. Yeah, there. All right, I misunderstood you. Do you want to leave anything here? Do you want to keep this? Okay. And they'll let you get numbers out of it there, too. I know I searched your pockets and everything. I do got to pull your hood down real quick, though. But before you get in, wanted to leave it on you up there so that you didn't get cold. All right. You're good. Go ahead and hop in. I did miss that in the back pocket, though. Another vape. Okay. The vapes I'm going to pull out. I'm going to leave the keys and stuff on you. I'll leave these with him. Do you want her to keep them here or do you want to take them? Leave the vapes. Sounds good. He does have a wallet, keys, and cell phone in his pockets. You wanted to keep his wallet, phone, and keys, but he said to leave these here with you. All right. Sorry for the disruption, but again, you can understand everything and and with him being here and I appreciate it. Well, and I appreciate you trying to help her calm down, too. It's Things are going to be taken care of one way or the other. It doesn't help to get all hyped up about it. So. I don't know how they quit. Who were you out here? I wasn't originally. I don't know who was here originally where he were they trying to say it's a law instructor of a law enforcement or something, but I mean, I literally wasn't even going to a minute to go get her shoes. Yeah, I don't know what the circumstances behind that and the reasoning for it are, but thank you for your help, ma'am. You as well, appreciate it. Yes, ma'am. >> He just has the warrant. Yeah, probably so. >> What's the warrant for? >> Abandonment of a child. Is that your boyfriend? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The approach to the front door was constitutionally clean. Under Florida versus Jardines, 2013, officers may knock because any member of the public holds that same implied license. Running the truck's plate from a public position is not a Fourth Amendment search. Vehicle registration is a public record. That warrant discovery was obtained correctly. Knowing a wanted person is inside a home does not give officers the right to enter. The Fourth Amendment protects that threshold, even with a confirmed warrant in the system. Officers chose to negotiate. The second subject came out voluntarily. That is the correct sequence, and it worked exactly as it should. Carmen spoke voluntarily before custody existed. Under Miranda versus Arizona, pre-custodial statements made without compulsion are generally admissible. She acknowledged two incidents, described the vehicle, identified who owned it. No Miranda warning was required. All of it became evidentiary. Talking without counsel during a voluntary contact carries a real cost. The obstruction charge requires a knowing and willful act of resistance against an officer performing a lawful duty. Is pulling away during handcuffing deliberate or a reflexive panic response? Courts have split on exactly that line. She pled guilty, which resolves it here. Whether the charge should have been filed given the minimal resistance is a legitimate policy question. Before transport, officers conducted a search incident to arrest. Under Chimel versus California, 1969, that search of the person is constitutionally authorized. A vape device was found in a back pocket initially missed. The officer flagged it on camera, the kind of transparency that reduces suppression motions and civil exposure later. Detective Franco ran a legally sound investigation from first contact. His knock and talk was proper. His decision not to force entry was correct. Where he created friction, Cameron asked to see the warrant and he deflected with a legal technicality. He did follow through and showed it in the car. The damage was already done by then. Cameron had rights she did not use. She could have closed the door without a word. She chose to engage, acknowledge the photos, and describe the vehicle in detail. By the time the warrant was announced, she had already damaged her own case. The pull away during handcuffing added obstruction, ending in 5 years of probation and restitution to Target. The male subject navigated this more effectively than anyone else at that address. He used his right to remain inside. When officers explained the situation and offered a cooperative path, he took it. No resistance, no additional charges. His warrant was later dismissed. His claim that it had already been addressed appears to have had merit. First lesson, a knock and talk carries no legal obligation to speak or open the door. You can decline, stay silent, and close it. The moment you engage voluntarily, everything you say can be used. Cameron's admissions during a non-custodial contact became the foundation of a shoplifting prosecution that ended in 5 years of probation. Second lesson, compliance during arrest is not agreement with the arrest. Stay calm, say nothing, and challenge it through legal channels afterward. Resistance, even minor, creates new charges on top of existing ones. Cameron's pull away added obstruction to a bench warrant situation that could have ended with a single booking. Third lesson, if you believe a warrant has been resolved, get written documentation. Court records lag, administrative errors persist. Verbal assurances mean nothing when a detective is standing at your door and the system still shows the warrant as active. The male subject learned that the hard way, though the eventual dismissal confirmed his account. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic you would like us to cover in the comments below. Thank you for watching.