January 26th, 2022. Officers respond to a Family Dollar on North Main after management reports two people removing security tags from merchandise inside the store. >> How you doing there? Good. >> You guys doing okay? >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh well, we got uh we got a call here. Okay. Yeah, we got a call here from management and um you know they said that they have you guys been uh trying to uh take the the tags off the the closes. >> Okay. >> Okay. You have something in your sock there, sir. Turn around the other way. >> Where's my lottery ticket? >> Oh, your lottery tickets. Okay. >> What else is down there? Don't do anything stupid. >> Okay. >> Look at this. No, no, no, no. Let me have your hand. Let me have your hand. Come on, buddy. Come on. Come on. Let me see it. Let me see it. >> Okay, you got it, sir. Sir, you're going to get changed, buddy. My money, sir. It's my money. >> Back off. >> It's my money, sir. >> You're going to have a big problem if you do something stupid. You understand me? It's >> my money. Damn. >> [ __ ] man. A13 central one detain detain her real quick >> detain her real quick. >> My name's Chris Baker. Officer Baker. Okay. You have some in your sock that you shouldn't have. We tell you not to do anything dumb. All right. The business wants you trespassed. Okay. And then you start trying to hide it in your hands and everything else. All recorded. >> Okay. As far as my money. >> Yeah. So, we can work through that. >> Don't be dumb is what I'm trying to say. Yes, sir. >> I'm sorry. >> That's why you're handcuffed. >> Yes. Stay right there. >> Go ahead. Detainer. >> Okay. >> Come over here, please. >> Stand right here facing that way. >> Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I saw. >> We'll figure it out in a minute, man. Okay. All right, ma'am. You're going to walk with this officer. I haven't p him down. He was concealing in his pocket and trying to get stuff out of his sock. Get him to the unit and let's put him down properly. Do you have any things I couldn't focus? Stand right here, buddy. Twinky things. Was that in her pockets? In her pocket? >> Yeah, it was in her pocket. This belongs to him, >> right? Yeah. And then this over there, >> cash belongs to him. That was in her pockets. >> This was in her pockets. Yeah. This is It's from here. Their kids underwear. >> This I don't know what it is. This is from here also. Correct. >> Yeah. Okay. You're going to get a citation as long as you don't do anything stupid. And you're going to go about your business. >> Okay. >> My dad just needed some linger than I >> We'll figure through this, but like I said, >> more in my bra. >> You have more clothing in your bra? >> Yeah, it's under. >> You have any drugs? Any other drugs on you that I need to know about? >> No, I'll check it all out. >> I'll check out my bra. >> We'll get it out over here. Okay. Go ahead and leave it with >> Yeah. that we >> No, we're not. Not right now. But yes, we're going to walk to the front door. Let me show you. >> She took these. She says they belong here. Okay. I don't know this. She said it belongs here. We don't need those. Yeah. No. No. That's what she had in her section. All right. Um, you got So, can you give me pricing on that, please? Uh, descriptions, pricing. She has She's got some more stuff on her in her uh We're going to walk to the front door. I appreciate your honesty. Do you have any wants or warrants I need to be aware of? >> Okay. Need to read you something. I want you to pay attention. Okay. You're under arrest at this point for shoplifting, for your own admission. Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer. have one represented or pointed to you before any questioning if you wish. At any times you can exercise these rights and not answer any of my questions. You understand these rights as I explained? >> Where did you guys how did you guys get here? >> Is it going to pick you back up when you call them or text them? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Go and put him in mine. >> Love you, baby. >> Dad, find me out, baby. >> Okay. Go and have a seat. >> It's not necessary. serious. >> If you guys would have just talked to us and done what we asked, you guys would have received a criminal trespass warning and gone about your business. None of this would have happened. But his actions dictated this. >> Okay. What's your first name, buddy? >> Honesty. >> What is it? >> Honesty. >> H O N E S T Y. >> Yes. >> Last name A L V A O. Okay. What's his name? Um, you want to let him do that? >> He's going to do it, too. Oh, what's his name? I'm asking you because you're with him. Your boyfriend? >> Yeah. >> What's his name? >> I just don't want to don't want to deal with that. I'm sorry. >> Okay. Well, you're obstructing an investigation at this point. This one you can go to jail cuz I'm asking you information relative to why I'm present. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Of him identifying himself, you helping me to show cuz I have it on camera. You guys are together. You calling a baby. I want to verify your guys' story. Okay. What is his first name? I can get in trouble for not saying birth. >> Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you. I just need a name without asking for his date of birth. >> Okay. >> Can I get in trouble for not wanting to say anything about another person? >> Do you really want to go down this route? I'm just asking what their name is. Okay. His name, your boyfriend's name. What is his name? Cool. His what? last name. >> Thank you. >> First name Angel, last name. >> It's Albert Sandival. Albert. >> Albert, not Angel. I don't understand. >> Have a seat, >> please. >> Please have a seat. Thank you. >> I will here in a minute. Okay. >> A13 central. >> Really? >> Female officer working. She still has items in her clothing. I have 972 on the way to make sure there's nothing else. No other code 16. >> Real quick, young lady, I'm going to have you get inside. >> Okay. >> Okay. Look, real quick before you sit down. There's nothing in here. >> Okay. If there's anything left in here, you alter anything, there's also a camera running. >> Okay. If you alter anything that's tampering with evidence, that's a fourth degree felony. Go ahead and get inside the vehicle. >> You can help yourself right now or she's going in. If I can cover her, give her a citation and cut her nose. What do you want? You going to keep you going to keep lying? Okay. She's got [ __ ] She's got stuff on her. She's got stuff on her. Okay. But that's what you want. You You want her to go in with you and both of you can walk in with hands. Help. Start giving us the information that we need. We're asking for your name. Give us your correct information. Stop playing games. You're a You're a grown grown man. Stop acting like a little immature kid. Now I can I can cut her loose with a citation or take her in. >> It's up to you. The information you're giving us, what is your name? What is your company name? >> We got it. >> You did get it. >> He's got six loose. It looks like six. Let me show them. >> Yeah. Yeah. is not what we've been dealing with. So, we were in the process what looked like shoplifting, removing tags, altering tags, never actually passed all points of sale. Made contact with the front of the business. Management request trespasses. We made contact with them talking to him. You can see that there's a foreign object in his clothing in his sock on his right leg. Uh which looks like the the electronic signal devices, you know what I mean? >> And we're like, "Hey, get that out of there." No, no, don't do anything dumb. Gets it. Tries doing this and tries going to his mouth. Boom. Me and him go hands on. He's initially resisting. Get his hands behind his back. Put him in cuffs. She tries. >> Did you get the rest of the stuff out of her? >> No, I have a female officer cuz she says it's in her bra. >> Uh, that's what she had. >> Did we get a total for the items that she has that we know? >> She had there. We're running a total on I told her not to finish yet >> until we get the other items. Right now with her, we have tampering or obstructing either way cuz there's a there's a the tampering misdemeanor. She has coming back for identity. She has a nonextradable 40 out of El Paso for looks like male 600 bond with the original charge of code 16 is not extradable. She surrendered on a 194. Can you send a chat with the ON to 975 and start confirmation MUN? So, let me call Sarge real quick cuz we're going to need Metro and since she was trying to tamper with the evidence on two different occasions here. >> So, we need a call. Let them know that we need Metro Narcotics and give them a brief rundown of why and what we got, how we buy this. >> Okay. Okay. I'm good. >> And it's going to be Sergeant. >> Yeah. Sergeant Walker. Do you have your personal phone? >> I have my personal. >> Do you have his number? >> No, I don't. >> I'll just give him a ring a ling. Okay. >> And I'll give you his number here in a minute. >> Okay. >> You're going to call him on your right. >> Yeah. All right. Uh we come to the call. Family Dollar North Main. Uh looks like they're trying to shoplift, right? We get on scene. They're altering tags. They haven't actually passed any points of sale, but they're requesting them trespassed. They point them out to us. We walk up to them. We tell them why we're here and that they're going to be trespassed. We see a foreign object in the sock of the male subject's clothing. She has stuff stuffed in her clothing, which I have 972 removing at this time. Guy has warrants. Pearl has warrants. So, requesting that. All righty, sir. All right. Later. >> Do you have a bronze? Yeah. Right. Heat. Heat. Oh, that's just a knot. Are you sure? No, it was fine. that way. >> Anything inside the shoes? >> Are those socks from here? >> No. These are my >> Go ahead. That one's here. >> Go ahead and put your slippers in. He's the packager here. Oh, yeah. We need a car. I don't know if this was Who is it? Sarah Le is doing it. I said she >> was in her 49th. I just need her first and last name. Honestly, >> we're both going in 5:31. So, they came in about 10 minutes before that. So, 1720 520. >> Mhm. >> For the manager here. >> I'm the manager. Okay. They have warrants on drugs already. >> Yeah. Drugs. Yeah. And we found out because like when I was walking, the guy turned around and looked at me kind of weird. >> Yeah. >> And then he went I disappeared and I went to camera and then he was all the way to the clothing. That's that's a usual. I'm just going to use the address here. Okay. What is your phone number, sir? >> Uh 915. >> Oh, 915. Oh, you're El Paso. >> El Paso 275. >> See? Yeah. >> 915. You commute over here every day? >> Every day. Very true. El Paso. El Paso. Don't pay. >> No. No. No. I apply over there for positions and they offer me $1250 an hour. My cashier makes 1350. >> Oh my goodness. I'm like, "No, no, thank you. How come you I'm retired El Paso police?" >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Which uh I work everywhere. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. I I was on the gang unit and public affairs and got everything. Okay, sir. Got your driver's license. I got everything on there in case I need it there. Okay. Yes. And you observed them actually taking the tanks off of the clothes uh taking off. >> They were they were trying to remove them. >> Yes. >> So those are very hard to remove. Yeah. >> And I don't know if they were trying to actually break this the the little thing on the back is plastic. I don't know. >> Okay. They were trying to take that off. Okay. >> Or if um they were looking for clothing and that didn't have you see what happened right now when we when we uh >> No, but there's video. I can see. Oh, do you have video? Okay, great. Um, you know what? Just in case they they need it, you know, we absolutely we'll make a property for you guys. >> No, no, I appreciate it. Okay. And I'll go Oh, we're getting some more property for you that she had on her. We had a female. Oh, there she goes. Hey, um, Michael, she's the manager here. Oh, yeah. We need a to do anything. Yeah, but and this is not the first time it's like three or four times they come in here. Okay. No, sounds good. And I sometimes I don't I've chased people out of here, but yeah, you don't want to get involved. You don't want to. No. There was one guy last week took a swing at me. I'm like, no, no, no. I took my stand and then the guy started running like no. That's what we're here for. Okay. Something else inside. Okay. Thank you, sir. I get better. Guy doesn't want to put his hand behind his back. So, we have to force him to put him back there. Put him in front. Um the girl while we're doing that keeps walking up and trying to kick the he out of the way. Sweet. One's doing a search [music] and there's Baker. Yeah. Know we're trying to do the search. She had it inside her bag here. And um as we're moving her to the side, she tries to kick it again. You know, we hadn't gone down to pick up the stuff. You know, she tries to kick it again underneath the clothes there. And you know, I retrieved it. So she >> Yeah, they have everything here on that on them or not. >> No. >> And then this is the one that the officer brought me with this. And this is the other stuff. Was there another person involved? >> Yeah, there was. Yeah. >> Did you guys find any of this stuff on here? >> No, I didn't find any of this. That's where they were at. >> And it was together with the packaging. >> You ready to give him a total though? >> No, no, no, no. You're still ringing, right? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I don't think she had any of this stuff on her. >> Yeah. >> You think the guy might? >> Yeah. >> Okay. these and do you need anything for me? >> Lunch. I need lunch. >> We get him outside. He has like four warrants. The girl has a warrant. We verify what was in that bag. The bag has meth, what looks like heroin, and six blues. Uh the girl had a bunch of uh property still stuffed in her clothes. So I got her for shoplifting, constructing, tampering cuz we had to tell her multiple times to get away. And you can see her on camera trying to kick. Was he injured at all or been trying to conceal it and tamper with it while you injured at all the warning stuff right within 5 to 10 minutes from the Albertson's on North. We're just finishing up here. Ah, that's overstage. >> That's cool. >> Okay, >> cool beans. We'll be there. Do you want the female there, too? Do you not want her? I don't care. That's up to you. I was going to target with shoplifting and obstructing at the very least, for sure. Plus, she has a warrant. Okay. No, the guy was and then she was just trying to kick it out of where we were and closing distance on us. And then once we got him in cuffs and moved him to the side, she again closed distance trying to kick it out of the way. Sounds fabulous, sir. Cool. Later. All right. Okay. I think she needs to kick it the second time. >> She was trying to kick it the first time. >> The first time? Yeah. But the second time, I think that's when >> No, I watched her do it. Oh, it's all on my camera. >> All right. Uh, Metro don't really care about her. Um, so what we can do is this. If that's cool with you, you just take her West 81 when we take him. We'll knock out the paperwork and then if you just pick it up, drop her off at the DC. That's cool. We're going to have to stick out with him. Wait for Metro to respond. Okay. >> Yeah. But uh are we done with everything on the inside? >> Did he already give you the price? Cuz he said he was >> Oh, no. I didn't get the price. You guys are gotten the price on that. You still got Yeah, dude. When he starts going like this, I instantly go in and he's like, "Oh, the aisles are like this big." You know what I mean? He's like, "You're going to get tased." You don't even have it out. Why you telling that? Just go hands on and dump it. You know, like I get that you're saying I like it, but at least have it in your hand. Like, hey, I'm going to whack you with this. I'm going to ride the lightning. Yep. Come on, man. There's no rapid life. This is for that. This is that. >> This is the one that you gave me. Okay. >> And this is this, which is the one that you gave me, too. Okay. Let me found other stuff. But >> can you give me a copy of what you get or did you write it down or I'm going to give you a receipt? >> Okay, perfect. That way I have it there because otherwise >> How do you do your receipt? >> No, I'm going to do the receipt. I'm just going to do cash and then I'll return it. >> Oh, okay. >> Just make sure this is the stuff that you guys cut white. That's the size. >> Uh Mickey boy uh Mickey boy briefs. Okay. $715. Foundation $4. Uh Modessa marble blending sponge. Okay. That's $2. So a total of uh 2080 without the tax. 28. Okay. Sounds good. Okay, sir. Got everything there. Give us a call if you if you have problems. >> Okay. If you need the video for that, then we'll we'll let you know on that. Okay. Appreciate it, sir. Thank you. Have a good day. They already confirmed this work. uh for consiling. So, >> are you sure? I went to court. >> You have to take it up with the judge again. >> Very municipal. Oh, so it wasn't >> where the city pending like traffic stop or shoplifting or something. Probably a previous shop. That's going to get us right. >> It's concealing. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. So, no injuries. Okay. >> Yes, sir. We got a guy with me, Arrowland, and Blues. No, we're leaving Albertson's on North Main now. >> Mhm. I don't care, dude. I'm on till 1:30. Cool. >> Later. Synthetica. We're going to get this going. We're going to be waiting. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Thanks, Arch. Thanks, >> Sounds of Fabuloso. >> Perfect example what we were talking about earlier. You know, >> have both charges. >> No, cuz she has a warrant. >> Oh, there's a warrant. We have resistable obstructing and trucking. Should be getting at least one to three a night. That's a beer. >> Yeah. Most I've ever had was seven in one night. >> Self all self initiated. No gimmies. We're going to be here for a little bit. Okay. Probably a couple hours. Now, if you need the bathroom, you need some water, we can accommodate that while you're here. Obviously, I can't let you lay down or anything like that. We have to cut you to the bench. >> Okay. It's kind of tight as well. Let me take the cup off behind your head. Okay. Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. We'll put two on since now you're acting like an adult. >> You change your attitude, we change ours. Fair enough. Yes, sir. Have a seat. We have to cut you from that to that. Okay. Just go ahead and get on tracks. I'll start getting the other stuff out. Her information is on the printer. I already printed it for you. Heat. Heat. honesty. >> Yeah. >> The jail will not accept a lighter, your drug paraphernalia, or a lot ticket. That's a non winner. It's all going in the trash. I just want to make sure I'm telling you on camera so you know. Okay. You start with booking documents first or criminal complaint or just do the booking authority property sheet and then the criminal complaint. >> Easiest process. >> Yes, that's why I wanted to do it this way. >> Uh do criminal complaint first. I'm sorry, the booking authority property sheet and I will help you with the rest. >> Yeah. All right, young man. The jail does not accept cigarettes, razors, drug paraphernalia. Your glasses? Yeah. Your lighters? No. Your money? Yes. under Terry versus Ohio. Reasonable, articulable suspicion is enough for an investigative stop. A manager's firsthand account of active tag alteration clears that threshold. The detention holds. The encounter changes when Baker spots a foreign object in the male subject's sock consistent with a magnetic tag detacher that added to the manager's complaint provides independent grounds for a frisk. Albert refuses commands and attempts to move the object toward his mouth while officers watch. That single act converts a misdemeanor shoplifting contact into felony evidence tampering. Under United States versus Robinson, a search incident to arrest requires no warrant. The bag is searched because the arrest is lawful. inside methamphetamine, what appears to be heroin, and six counterfeit oxycodone pills. Three substances, three separate felony counts. In New Mexico, meth carries up to 18 months, heroin up to 3 years. Three counts run consecutively, push the ceiling well past 7 years. Baker calls for a female officer before searching the female subject's bra area, absent exigent circumstances that is constitutionally required. A cross-gender search of intimate areas without necessity produces evidence a court will suppress. Miranda versus Arizona requires the rights advisement before custodial interrogation before questioning, not before arrest. Baker delivers it at the right moment. Honesty's admission after waving rights is admissible. One legal problem. When honesty refuses to name Albert, Baker tells her that is obstruction. Obstruction requires physical interference with an officer's duties. Silence about a third party's identity does not meet that standard in most jurisdictions. Whether her eventual decision to name Albert was voluntary or shaped by a legally incorrect warning is exactly what a defense attorney files a pre-trial motion on. The right to remain silent does not narrow because an officer reframes the question. Before placing Albert in the unit, Baker states on camera that destroying evidence inside the vehicle is a fourthderee felony. That warning on the record creates a documented baseline against which any later tampering can be proved. Albert's prior record, four active warrants, a shoplifting case, a pending concealing identity charge, eliminates first offender treatment. That history moves the realistic sentencing outcome away from probation and toward active incarceration on the drug counts. Honestyy's shoplifting total is $20.80. Petty misdemeanor anywhere. But body cam documents are kicking evidence across the floor during the struggle, a separate obstruction count that converts the contact from a citation to a booking. The El Paso warrant is non-extraditable. El Paso will not send transport, but it stays active on every future database check. Non-extraditable does not mean resolved. It means deferred. Three lessons. First, the right to remain silent starts at the first question, not the first handcuff. Honesty's unprompted disclosure was cited as the stated basis for her arrest. Silence before arrest removes the most direct path to self-inccrimination. Second, moving or destroying evidence in front of officers is a separate crime. It stacks on the original charge and hands prosecutors additional leverage at every stage that follows. Third, an outstanding warrant does not wait. Every police contact becomes a mandatory booking the moment dispatch returns a hit. Resolving a warrant through a court appearance is always less costly than having it surface on a night like this. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic that you would like us to discuss in the comments below. 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