Okay, there it is. >> Oh, that's not even mine. >> Oh, all right. >> Summer, >> summer wallet. >> That's why she didn't want us to fix it. >> No, cuz I don't need meals anymore. >> On January 4th, 2025 in Winston, Connecticut, a Walmart loss prevention associate flagged a shopper at selfch checkckout. The subject was taken into custody and processed for lararseny a charge that could reach felony level depending on the final value count. This is that stop. What makes this stop analytically significant is that the evidence against her came almost entirely from her own mouth and the store's own cameras. >> Hey, how are you? >> Good. >> Living the dream. >> Oh, I hear you. Hi, man. >> Well, yeah, sometimes. >> Uh-oh. Hey. >> Oh, okay. Did they already check all the stuff you paid for? I don't know. >> Okay. >> Gotcha. Do you have her ID on you? >> Hey. >> Oh, okay. All right. Hey, >> this was a complete accident. I do not I didn't purposely not scam things. >> Sure. >> We were We have the money to pay for it. >> Oh, that's that's not me. I just do the report and then you can tell the judge that >> I will >> that hey I didn't do it on purpose yada yada yada right now. >> Sure. But everybody is everybody does that. >> Well no I mean I went and said that there were three cars going after car. >> Sure. So what what's your name here? >> Pam what's what's that? >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh, date of birth is >> because this was a complete accident. >> Montgomery 125 2729. >> Am I going to jail? >> Uh, we'll go to the PD. >> 125. >> That was a complete accident. >> Smith. >> Say Pamela. >> Yes. Pamela, >> what is that? >> Okay, >> sorry. >> It has been a heck of a date. >> It's been a bad day for me, too. And I'm >> tell I have partial hair. >> All right, let's start all over. Smith Pamela K. King. Smith Pamela K. Female white. He told him to just go to the BD. Well, I guess he's so bad. >> Yeah, he follow us. >> He Well, we got a friend that drove us like I would have said there expired. No stops, no convictions last 12 revoke. >> I wouldn't have, you know, that would be dumb. >> Go and attach her, please. Sure. That That's We live in America. We all have our day in court, >> right? It's >> Sure. Well, what's your phone number? >> It's >> But it's an app and it doesn't always work. >> 601. So, okay. So, very important. How do the courts get a hold of you when they need to? >> Um, >> so let's So, let's >> I got my his my account number >> and what's his name? >> All right. Maybe for that. >> Can I just walk out? I have like >> Well, I'll have to handcuff you before we before we go here. >> Okay. Can I talk to him real quick before we go? >> Yeah. Hold on. Who? Okay. Hold on. >> You guys, I apologize for all this. I really do. >> It happens. >> Sure. Pamela. >> Like, you wouldn't be willing to pay for this. >> Smith. And I would be throwing a fit about me even being accused if I purposely don't. >> You sure? >> We've heard it all. >> Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure you have. >> Yeah. >> I used to work in retail, too. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, like >> retail retail sucks. >> This little white thing right here, company. This is Walmart policy. Once you pass that, you're past the final point of sale, >> right? >> And uh once you pass there, it's the point of no return. >> Okay. Well, I didn't know that. And if I had known that there was anything that stand I would like I found him >> to Walmart Champagne. I bought some things and I bought it like a stereo thing for my son and it didn't receive but it didn't come up what it was supposed to be and I need you know uh warranty. >> Sure. >> So I mean it was cheaper than what I was supposed to be paying but that's what caught my eye. I would have went and had that fixed if I was a thief. >> Sure. Yep. >> I would have given two. >> Does he have any Does he have any close about the price? >> I'm not sure. >> All right. >> All right. Is there anything on you I need to know about? Is there any more merchandise or anything? >> No. >> No. >> All right. You have you have a watch on or anything? >> No. >> Okay. And I'm in the SUV today, so it's going to be easier. >> How long is this going to be at the department? >> Uh, not very long. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we're going to go to the department, but if it's going to be felony amount, you'll go to jail tonight for the weekend and then you'll see a judge on Monday. >> Uh, 300. a whole. >> So, you really doubt? >> You really doubt it's going to be >> nearly >> over three. Okay. >> Can we just wait here till we find out? >> Well, I want to get my paperwork started. I don't know how long it's going to take you. Okay. I'm going to double lock these so they don't get any tighter on you. Okay. >> That coat kind of pisses me off cuz her daughter hasn't. You could have told me that her daughter loves >> McGomery 125. >> Go ahead. >> Female white to 95. >> Okay. >> Now, is there anything that's going to poke me, stick me, or cut me? >> No, I don't think so. >> You don't think so? Cuz it needs to be like I know you won't. >> Cuz if I get stuck, I'm not going to be very happy. my broken necklace in there. >> I got there needles, no knives. >> Oh, hell no. No, my pockets go all the way around. >> I don't want to get poked. Oh, okay. >> That's just a broken necklace. >> Oh, my torch. Give that to him cuz he >> torch. Okay, here. Let's step back here. >> Just drop that back in there. That's my sense. It's broken. >> Okay. >> I don't know. >> Is this you guys'? No, he got it here. >> Yeah, >> he got it here. >> I've had that. That's what he had on there holding it. He said holding something on. That was a piece. >> But like today, >> it still has the little tag. >> Yeah, it's on there. He had >> secured to the >> No, let me in my jacket somewhere. There should be a silver um goes all the way around a silver um here. Get pull it off my hand. >> Here. Here. >> A silver uh St. Christopher uh St. Christopher that he put on there and it was you're not I don't >> but >> Oh, I see. You mean it goes back here? >> My pockets are >> Well, I don't >> That was not from today. >> I don't I don't see anything. >> Well, it goes from today. We have selection on that from earlier. >> So, why did you have the guy that you're with bring that jacket back in? because he told me that it wasn't paid for and I thought it was her daughter's. >> That's because there's no tag on it. So, you didn't even attempt to scan it cuz >> No, I just went to No. Yeah, I thought it was her daughters. >> I watched you selects earlier. Yeah. So, >> that one is It's the rest of the stuff from jewelry go that you have >> on the shelf in wherever the spray foam stuff is. >> Oh, you just ditched it. >> Yeah. >> Is there anything No, no, >> I don't have No, your nuts are fit. >> Yeah, I I see that. Yeah. All right. And I don't Nothing's going to fit in those shoes either. >> Well, I wasn't seeing the card. That the card was complete accident. It really was. >> It was two transactions. First one with the other person you were with and then Yeah, I got that. >> There was also some cars. You got two of them. First thing, very first thing in the transaction, you scanned one and you bagged them both. >> I still Okay. Well, I thought I did the other one. >> I scanned them both. >> You did? >> Mhm. >> Because I put the one down and I almost put my finger through the plastic. >> Yeah, it'll it'll be on. It'll be on the phone. >> Okay. Well, I the the stand was a >> How much do you think? Over felony or Okay. The first legal issue is the threshold the loss prevention associate used to establish that theft had occurred. Under Connecticut General Statute Section 53A 119, lararseny requires proof of specific intent to permanently deprive the owner of property. In this stop, the store's internal policy that passing the final point of sale constitutes theft is a company rule, not the legal standard prosecutors must meet. Where this holds is in the pattern the associate described two separate transactions, each with one item scanned and two items bagged. That repetition is where the intent element lives. The second legal issue is the subject's own statements. Before any formal questioning began, she repeatedly told the officer this was a complete accident under Rhode Island versus Inis 446U s 291 1980. Interrogation means words or actions officers know are reasonably likely to produce an incriminating response. In this stop, no officer asked her anything designed to draw out that admission. She volunteered it. Miranda does not attach to statements given before any interrogation begins. Where this fails for the defense is that everything she said, including the jacket story, was fair game for the state to use at trial. The third legal issue is the pre-transport search. The officer conducted a patown and a full purse search which produced a second wallet belonging to a third party and a set of watches. Under United States versus Robinson 414US 218 1973. A full search incident to a lawful custodial arrest requires no separate showing of danger beyond the arrest itself. In this stop, the lawful arrest alone authorized the search. The officer was entitled to discover both the wallet and the watches without any additional justification. The fourth legal issue is the civil consequence running parallel to the criminal case. Walmart entered the subject into their case management system resulting in a nationwide ban across all North American locations. That exclusion is a civil trespass remedy separate from and independent of the criminal proceeding. Even if criminal charges are reduced or dismissed, the ban remains in place on its own authority. Yeah. Yeah. No, we got to go to PD. >> Oh, you got a picture of her. >> You got one job, man. >> I have like two and a half jobs. >> All right. >> Walmart's very long. So, if we So, we can put you in our case management system. I'll rob you out. >> Okay. So, you won't be allowed on any Walmarts in the United States and Hawaii. I think Hawaii. >> Uh, it's all of North America. >> Oh, wait. All >> go to any town that has a wall. >> All All in North America. Okay. >> Where did he go? >> He walked down that door. I haven't seen him since her daughter. She I thought was her daughter. Her daughter has a lot of different daughters. >> So everything they paid for, you going to give it to him? Uh, if he wants to take it, if he's still here. >> Yeah, >> probably. >> Yeah, we'll grab your purse. >> No, he he just said it was him. >> Where they at? >> Mike, was there a dude standing here when you got here? >> No. >> Oh, >> can you call him? >> We will. We'll get grab your purse. >> No, just leave it there. >> My purse is fine. >> It's interesting that you're all worried about your purse. >> I'm not. It's got his watches in it. >> Yeah. >> That he had me bring >> stolen property. Yeah. Anyone guess? >> Yeah. >> Go ahead and double check because I have his watches in there in a black case that I brought in. >> Before I open this and start digging around, you got anything here is going to cut me, poke me, stick me, hurt me. Anyway, >> remember I just asked you that in there like no needles or anything cuz we'll be very upset. >> This looks like a kit here. >> Yes, that's his watches. My dog's watches. This is >> what? >> My watches. >> Like watches? >> Yeah. He wanted me to get batteries. 125 141 here. They're all secure. >> We're secure. You can suspend. >> You just I'm looking at the camera as you can see. Watch. >> That looks That looks brand new. >> It is. It didn't have battery in it when you got it. caramel. >> You want to tell him that >> I didn't get these watches from here today? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Well, that one didn't come from here >> because these are my daughter's watches and I went to >> I suspected this one. All right. Hey batteries. All right. Well, I didn't know it was $7 a piece. >> Pull the batteries. >> Okay, there it is. Oh, that's not even mine. >> Oh, all right. >> Summer. >> Summer that got wallet. >> That's why she didn't want us to fix it. >> No, cuz I don't needles anymore. >> No, I do not. >> Okay. So, all right. >> Throw the whole wallet away. I don't want the whole >> Well, she wanted us to keep her purse in the >> things. >> No, it's it doesn't have service. >> And he she gave us your number so when the court needs to contact us, she contacts you. Yeah, I can give you what's >> Yeah, >> dark animal right >> that that needle ball is stomach. >> I have I have a pouch >> my wallet. >> I have a pouch here. She's nowhere at that house ever. You hear me? >> Okay. So if you want to talk to them to get all the stuff you've already paid for. >> So sorry get into your car. >> And then what about the other stuff that I would be interested in finding an ID too. I don't have one card or something. >> Sucks. I paid for it once. >> I paid for it once and then they said they sent it and never got it. >> All right. Well, I don't know if you know, but people lie to us. I I I know. I know that sounds weird and I I know it >> people myself. >> Yeah, I know that sounds weird, but I can't believe everybody >> much as we'd like to. >> I would I would love to believe everybody. >> That's just the papers that come with the plugs. >> Yeah. talking to you. What's all the other like right here? I'm not paying her. Yeah, >> I live in Whitney. Where's the police department? >> Oh, you can follow us. >> Yeah, I'm going to go put her in the car. I don't have a car, so I got to call. >> Oh, you got to call uh 120 East Ryder Street. We're by the fire department. Might as well take the wind rushing again. I get there. Hey, long as it's not in Lfield. >> No, man. She uh she she's on she she borrowed my wallet because she doesn't have one. >> Uh why would why would you borrow a wallet? >> Because she didn't have one and she had loose bills. >> I don't even fathom how she collected those. >> Yeah, that's or that's what she does. >> All right. Yeah, just there's there's a lot of feet room there. Okay, just sit tight. Okay. Thanks. I didn't know if there was heat or stuff back here. Should >> No, I'm fine. >> Oh, you're fine. Okay. I I can do it here. >> So, I I am not going to charge you with that needle. I don't know exactly. >> At the time of this analysis, the outcome of any criminal proceedings remains unknown. The officer indicated the total value was likely below the felony threshold under Connecticut law. The responding officer receives a B. The double locked cuffs, calm tone, and methodical pat down reflects solid standard arrest procedure. The deduction comes from relying on the store's verbal account without independently confirming it. The subject receives a C minus. Remaining calm and not physically resisting kept this encounter safe, but her unprompted statements, particularly the jacket contradiction, did more to establish intent than anything else in this case. The loss prevention associate receives a B+ citing two specific transactions and identifying a previously selected jacket gave this case real evidentiary weight. The deduction is for language like point of no return, which blurs company policy with the legal standard. Lesson one, anything said before formal questioning begins can still be used against you, even without a Miranda warning. Rhode Island versus Inis makes clear that Miranda only applies to custodial interrogation, not to statements volunteered without prompting. Lesson two, a store's internal policy is not the legal definition of theft. Connecticut General Statutes Section 53. A 119 requires specific intent to permanently deprive. The pattern across two transactions, not the location inside the store, is what satisfied that element. Lesson three. A search incident to a lawful arrest requires no additional justification beyond the arrest itself. Under United States versus Robinson, the lawful arrest is the only authorization required. Lesson four. A civil trespass ban and a criminal charge are two separate legal tracks. A store can enforce exclusion independently of what happens in court. Dismissal of criminal charges does not automatically undo a civil remedy already imposed. Lesson five. A contradiction caught on camera is often more damaging than any argument made in court. When a subject's explanation conflicts with store footage, that gap becomes part of the prosecution's evidence of intent. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic you would like us to discuss in the comments below. We read all of them. If there is a body cam interaction or legal question you want covered, let us know. >> Do what? >> Exactly who it was. She borrow she didn't have one and she had like $25 in buying buying one and she had understand this.