Something 7379, repeat. >> How's it going today? Turn Is your car off? Let me get both your license. You guys are both positively ID'd for retail theft. I'm just going to be straight up, man. Just give Give me the items back. Give me your ID first. I want your ID, too. Is there anything else in the car? Any weapons, drugs, anything like that? Nothing. Do you have a valid driver's license? >> Uh I was supposed to um take my I was supposed to be getting this stuff situated. >> Okay. So, do you Is it suspended, revoked? >> Yeah, it's um suspended. >> Can you just put your bag back there, please? Uh you guys aren't free to go. Hang tight. All right, sir. Step out of the vehicle for me. Just go behind here. Go to I don't want us in the Go go Put your hands behind your back. You're being detained right now, okay? >> Oh, you can leave it right here. Uh we don't want you accessing it right now. We're We're We're doing a investigation, so if you if you like it in your pocket, it's not going to be accessed. Okay, that's fine. >> Do you have anything on you that's going to poke me, stick me, anything like that? No weapons on you? Open your legs. Look. >> Driver license subject, Travis Jackson, license status is suspended. He has >> No weapons in the car? No drugs in the car? Okay. All right, ma'am. We're going to have you step out of the car. Perfect. Yeah, stop talking to me. >> here I'm going to just detain you, okay? Just turn around for me, please. Put your hands behind your back. Separate your feet. Do you have anything on you that's going to stick me, or poke me, or hurt me? >> No. >> All right, ma'am. I'm just going to have you separate your feet for me. I'm just going to search you before you get into the car, okay? You have nothing on you? You have a shirt under this? >> No. >> Okay. No, no worries. Just want to make sure you don't have anything on you. That was your fault, correct? >> No, I I was was waiting for her get >> Can you ask for the description again over there? >> Do you have a work phone on you? >> Yes. Here. Take one of them, please. Just look at the camera for me, please. It's a department phone. All right, we're going to go ahead and have a seat in my car. >> All right. >> All right. >> You can put her in my car if you want. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> I I just I just searched her. >> She has her phone on her. I'll just take that off of her. The phone's going to go up front. Everything's being recorded. Go ahead, yep. We got 501 and 201 here. >> So, the police going to have to search one of them so we can >> On September 11th, 2025, officers from the Rosemont Public Safety Department initiated a traffic stop following a shoplifting complaint from Ross Dress for Less. What began as a potential municipal citation ended in felony charges driven not by violence, but by a single piece of hardware found in the vehicle. The stop was grounded in Terry versus Ohio 1968 reasonable articulable suspicion, a standard lower than probable cause. Officers had a specific complainant, identified suspects, and a described vehicle. The stop was constitutionally valid. When the officer ordered the driver out of the vehicle, no additional justification was required. Pennsylvania versus Mims 1977, officers may order any occupant to exit during any lawful traffic stop. The male suspect made two voluntary admissions before any custodial interrogation. He acknowledged the theft and disclosed his license was suspended. Under Berkemer versus McCarty 1984, non-custodial roadside statements do not trigger Miranda. Both admissions are fully usable against him. >> He's been advised of his >> Uh what can I do? >> Do you use a theft detection device or anything? You did get the item. >> Did you have a unit in the store? >> Okay. Um so, they don't want you guys arrested, but we're going to issue you guys a Rosemont citations. Um it's technically like a parking ticket, but that's that's where we're going to go so you know what's going on. All right? >> Um in terms of seizing the car, I mean >> What? >> In terms of seizing the car for the stuff. >> Yes, I'll grab the items. Oh, yeah, we did it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> You take it in there and >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then he seizes the car. >> Yeah, we seize the car. >> Okay. All right, I'll be there then. >> And then too, if they if they damaged anything, cuz you guys went through that in your felony [ __ ] so [ __ ] it at this point. If they damage stuff with the magnets anything over 500 CDP is felony. And then especially for Yeah, they don't want to sign it. That and then if there's any like theft detection devices we can >> No. >> How'd they get it? Oh, they No [ __ ] >> It's possible. Yeah, they don't sign it. They're going to walk through the store. >> They already signed it, but they're not going to sign it. So, I don't even know if >> We could tow the car technically. >> Yeah, well, once it once uh I mean we can cuz it's under our our ordinance. Once suspended, is the driver suspended? >> Uh I know he doesn't have a license. >> try? Like >> What? >> Although >> Yeah, I mean I yeah, I try I try. See what they say cuz it's >> I mean it's a lot. >> It's all Yeah, it's not like they just walked in and stole one thing. This was like a This was a planned thing. >> Right. >> All right, I'm just going to read you your Miranda rights, all right? You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you. You have the right to consult with an attorney before or during questioning. So, what happened today, man? >> I just went to Ross and grabbed like some soap. >> Did you have to pay for anything? How many bags did you take? How many bags of items? So, there's multiple bags in there. >> No, my bag here, that's been in the car. But I'm talking about we just went to Ross. >> What's Which bag did you use? >> The Ross bag that was in the back seat. That Ross bag that's >> That's two bags full of [ __ ] >> I know, but the other one been in the car too as well. That's been the bag of clothes I've been having in the car. But the the you see it's six um doves like right there. >> The dove, that's everything you guys stole today? >> Up out of there, yeah. >> Okay. >> But, I've been here the rest of that stuff in the trunk. But, what we just here in the back, see that's what we just got up out of the box. >> And you have a suspended DL, right? >> Yeah, I have a suspended DL. >> Okay, what's it suspended for? >> Um a ticket, um I think that was >> Yeah, Kyle, it's a suspended DL, too. You got anything like Why Why'd you steal it? Like, what's going on? >> I just grabbed a six soap. That's where I had grabbed it out of the box. >> Did you pay for anything? >> What? >> Did you pay for anything? >> Not the soap. >> Okay. I thought driving suspended is just site notice. No? >> You can't site release on a suspended for a halt. >> Yeah, or you can long form them, bring them in and charge them long form. >> A pivotal moment came when officers located a theft detection device remover, a magnet engineered to defeat security tags. Under 720 ILCS 5 section 1625 subsection A7, possession with intent to deprive a merchant is a stand-alone criminal offense. First offense, class A misdemeanor. Second or subsequent, class 4 felony, 1 to 3 years in prison. That single object changed the legal character of the entire case. >> The driver has a suspended >> Yeah, theft detection right there. >> Okay. >> It's possession of it right there. >> Uh we're doing things a little bit differently now, man. We're going back to the station. Whose car is that? Is your car drivable? Okay, let's get it towed just so you know. >> Yeah, this is all stolen [ __ ] All this is >> I don't know if they only had the one from there. >> I don't know if I know if this is from there, but >> Yeah, but I mean like we we can seize this all as evidence. I mean like right? Like it's These are all >> I was told they said he was more than one at a time. >> This is all Ross. 31A, but another bag from the trunk. >> All right. >> Just put your seat belt on. >> All right, I checked our response. We only have the one from from the Hills every yacht today. They don't match the description for that one. And then I checked the other one. >> Just got to reach around you. I'm going to help you out. Watch your step. Careful. Careful. >> Markham 101, we have a positive ID on those subjects from Macy's. They will sign for any products that were there. >> Let's bring her in. Leave your guy in here and uh Can you just stand with him? I'm going to drop my weapon real quick. Let's just go up here. What's wrong? >> I was trying to move my hands. >> All right, I'll take these cuffs off and you're just going to have a seat right here, okay? >> Okay. >> I know. Almost. There you go. There you go. There you go. Have a seat. Huh? What about it? No, you can't. >> 101, just giving you a positive ID on the subjects from Bath & Body Works. >> Let's just walk over here real quick. >> You got to sign it, right? >> Have them take his hoodie off, too. >> You have to sign it, see? >> All right, I'll be with you in a little bit, all right, man? >> The search that yielded the magnet was lawful under the automobile exception, Carroll versus United States, 1925, extended by United States versus Ross, 1982. When probable cause covers the vehicle as a whole, officers may search every part without a warrant. The prior admissions and visible merchandise establish that probable cause. 34 items, $969 before tax. Under 720 ILCS 5 section 1625 subsection A1 retail theft exceeding $300 is a class 3 felony. 2 to 5 years in the Illinois Department of Corrections finds up to 25,000. The citation option was gone. >> Hello. Can I please talk to the manager or Noelia or >> All righty. So, we were able to grab all the stuff. >> Yay. >> Um we got them on a traffic stop, so >> Okay. >> Um it's a lot of stuff. >> Yes. >> Uh >> And that was really within the two minutes. >> Really? >> Yes. >> There's another bag, by the way. Uh where do you want to do this? You want to do this right here? Cuz I got to >> to the office. >> All right, cool. Who's Did you guys all see them? >> I did. >> We both saw you, yeah. >> Does that look familiar? >> Yes, I have the picture. >> Okay, and then >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Before interrogation >> Then I'm going to need like a receipt for everything. So, you were you said you were scared. You did it >> Yeah, I was in a fast. I was in my lunch. >> Okay. >> And I was like, "Oh my god, I don't want to think anything bad. Like I don't want to trip like call the cops." So, I saw like I was looking at the cameras. >> Okay. >> And I saw he brought like took out a magnet. And I'm like, "Okay." And I'm like, "Hopefully he doesn't open it." And then after I saw what he was opening everything, I'm like, "Yeah, I have to >> Okay, so these all have magnets? >> No, not all of them. >> Okay. Maybe show me what does. And uh you saw them use a magnet. >> Yes. This is actually not from our store. This looks like from Target. >> I think this is Bath & Body Works. >> Yes, that's Bath & Body, yeah. That's Bath & Body. >> Okay. >> All of this, but this is from this. >> Okay. >> This is from this. This is the one that had a magnet. Some of that has like a keeper. >> Okay. >> This doesn't. >> My My next question since cuz you just said like, you know, you were scared, you were in your lunch, and like everything was happening so quickly. Do you want to sign complaints against them? Like they took a bunch of guys' stuff. They used a They used a magnet device. Like we have them right now in handcuffs detained. I'm just going to call one of my guys to let them know that they utilized the magnet. >> Yeah, let me call my >> Cuz they told us they didn't and it helps that >> Cuz I can show you on the camera if you want to see. >> Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah. Um is there anything else in here? Is this your bag? >> No, that's from all the stuff that he came with that. >> Tell me exactly what happened. So, cuz I'm taking the report. >> Uh well, I was waiting for my closing cashier and I was take I was about to take my meal and I saw her like come in and like from the front I was like, "Oh, let me go to the front and tell her that I'm going to take my meal and make sure like let all the cashiers also know." And once I go up there, I see them walk in and they already looked suspicious cuz they stared at us. >> Okay. >> And then they give us like a look like uh to see if no one was no one was watching. >> Okay. >> I was like, "Okay, like I don't want to think anything bad. I'm going to stay here and like see if they don't they're not going to do anything." >> Okay. >> And then that's when I see the guy going by the perfumes and he grabs this one by ladies. And then he goes and walks by ladies shoes. >> Okay. >> Just to like just walk around to see like if no one was watching. And then that's when he goes by like um by the ladies department where it's all the hair oils. >> Mhm. >> And then he goes like by the men's and then that's when he goes back again by the ladies. I think that's where he grabbed all of this by the ladies. >> And that was the end. I went back to the office. I checked to see if he was not doing anything bad and then that's when he took out the magnet and took out the >> That's when you saw it on the >> Yeah. >> camera. >> And that's when I called the cops. >> Um what How about the female? >> The female, she was just walking around like acting like she was shopping. >> Like a like a distract like >> distraction. >> Yeah, okay. Okay. All right, cool. Let me just take a picture of this real quick. And then do you have your ID by chance? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> No worries, you're good. You're good. >> [snorts] >> Awesome, and then just you tell me exactly what you saw exactly. >> I just come in for my shift. I was chit-chatting with everybody and um >> What time did you start? >> I started 6:15. >> Awesome. >> Went to go punch in and it said I was too early. I got here like 10 minutes ago. >> Okay. >> So I was like, okay. I I told um um Evana, I said, "Let me go put my bag away and then by the time I get back I'll be I'll be ready to punch in." >> Okay. >> So I originally was going to go through the two line to go to the back to put my bag away, but there was customers. So I doubled back and I came back towards the fragrances. >> Okay. >> And as I was walking towards the fragrances, the young lady like she made eye contact with me, but she looked really like suspicious. >> Okay. >> So I was like, okay. Didn't think anything of it, but I don't know if she knew that I worked here cuz I had my work bag. >> Okay. >> So as I'm going through the frag- I walked past the jewelry counter over by the men's fragrances. She's in between the the fragrances between the men's side and the women's side. >> Okay. >> And she hand her uh the guy uh a container. >> Okay. >> And he put it in the bag. >> Got it. >> I was like, oh, okay. So didn't think anything of it, but I ran to the back and I was looking at that time I was looking for uh Noeli or uh Amelia to let them know. I was like, "Hey, check the cameras." But at that by the time I got back there she had already witnessed it. >> Got it. Noeli? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So I was like, oh, okay. She was like, "Yeah, I'm going to the cops." I was like, "Yeah, call the cops." They They don't care. So, that was it. >> Okay, awesome. I really appreciate you. Yeah. Um when you say she was like suspicious, what like what kind of behaviors like >> So, she was So, she was walking around the the cases the where the fragrances are. She's just walking, but she was, you know, kind of making, you know, shifting her eyes were shifting. And then when she when we made eye contact, she just looked like she looked guilty. >> Yeah, okay. >> She looked guilty. So, but I guess she was like up to no good or >> Yeah, like, you know, she was just I guess trying to Not like a normal shopper. >> No, I think she was trying to decide if I worked there or not. She's trying to like size you like see But like I said, I had my work my primary work bag on my shoulder. So, maybe she thought I was a customer. I don't know. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, as I'm walking past, she did this. >> Do you know what the container was? It was Or just what did it Look what it >> Um we call them It was like Oh, got you. That. Okay. We call them keepers. And we usually keep fragrances, like high-end beauty, makeup, stuff like that. >> Okay. Okay. >> But I know she passed it to the guy. >> Awesome. And then she was between the men's and women's fragrances. Okay. I hope you have a good rest of your shift. Thank you. Of course. Of course. >> Okay, there you go. >> Hey, it works. >> This is for you and then I'm going to keep putting it out. If you give me a second so I can return everything. >> It's all good. Yeah. Is this one for me? >> Yes, that's for you. Or as long as you want. >> And then it's No, no, no, you're good. And then So, so it's >> So, it's 969 >> But what is that before tax? >> Yes, before tax. >> Okay. Awesome. >> also says how many items. Where is this? Right here. >> Oh, awesome. 34. Okay. >> Miranda was administered before custodial questioning, correctly timed. The female suspect did not confess, but two independent witnesses placed her as lookout and physically transferring a security keeper to the male suspect. Under 720 ILCS 5 section 5-2 say, Illinois' accountability statute, aiding or facilitating a crime carries the same liability as committing it directly. She did not need to hold the magnet. Presence plus participation equals liability. The Rosemont Public Safety Department receives a grade of A minus. Stop, detention, search, and Miranda administration were all legally sound. One minor concern, officers discussed charging strategy within earshot of the suspects. A tactical lapse, not a legal violation. Travis Jackson receives a grade of D. He voluntarily admitted the theft before custody, lied about the magnet, contradicted directly by surveillance footage, and drove on a suspended license. Premeditated, tool-equipped, multi-store operation. The female suspect receives a grade of D plus. Witness testimony and footage confirm her role as lookout and active accomplice. Cooperation during detention is noted, but does not eliminate accountability. Three lessons. First, voluntary admissions before custody need no Miranda to be admissible. Silence is always available and almost always the smarter choice. Second, a false denial contradicted by objective evidence becomes consciousness of guilt. Lying about the magnet strengthened the prosecution's case. Third, accomplice liability requires no direct act. A lookout role alone is legally sufficient. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic you would like us to discuss in the comments below. Thank you for watching.